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Speaker 1: Bold, reverence, and occasionally random.

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Speaker 2: The Sunday Hang With podcast starts now.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of serious things going on in the world,

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Speaker 1: but I sent Buck this story and we've got it

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Speaker 1: up at we got it up at out kick h

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Speaker 1: and I would encourage you guys to check it out

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Speaker 1: if you need a little bit of a laugh. So,

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Speaker 1: the current Jeopardy champion, I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: many of you watch Jeopardy occasionally we have it on

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Speaker 1: in the Travis household. He is a man from Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I get his name right.

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Speaker 1: His name is Brian Hinneger, and he's tired of everybody

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Speaker 1: saying that he was sorry. He's current current Jeopardy champion.

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Speaker 1: I can't you never know what's gonna happen. He's he's

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Speaker 1: from Tennessee. He has a mustache, and he has had

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Speaker 1: to shut down all of his social media accounts because

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Speaker 1: too many people are saying that he looks like Adolf

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Speaker 1: hit And I don't know, I don't know, I mean really,

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Speaker 1: here's a quote from him, and then I'm going to

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Speaker 1: dive into this a bit more. Here's a quote from

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Speaker 1: Brian Hineger, who I want to make it clear, is

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Speaker 1: not Adolf Hitler. Right now, I'm feeling every emotion under

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Speaker 1: the sun, reliving my Jeopardy experience, and I'm seeing what

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Speaker 1: a bunch of jerks on Twitter are doing because all

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Speaker 1: they can focus on are my looks. So I'm to

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Speaker 1: be leaving Twitter for a while, see you soon. So

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Speaker 1: I have two things to say right now, He's continuing. Then,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything else about the matter for

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Speaker 1: the sake of my own sanity. For starters, even though

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Speaker 1: I've spent about ten years on it, I'm shaving off

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Speaker 1: my mustache tonight. Too much work to keep it tight.

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Speaker 1: And then he continues. So I decided, rather than shave

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Speaker 1: off my mustache, I'm just gonna grow it out into

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Speaker 1: a goatee. I admit, I run the risk of making

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Speaker 1: myself look like my evil twin from a parallel universe.

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Speaker 1: That's just the risk. And so he's growing the goatee.

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Speaker 3: Now, can I just point out from the from the

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Speaker 3: esthetic side of this when you told when you told

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Speaker 3: me about this, all I was picturing like, I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this guy has a mustache that's a little too close

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Speaker 3: in a little you know, a little bit too, But

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Speaker 3: it's not actually just the mustache. Yeah, he's got a

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Speaker 3: very severe side part as well, so that the mustache,

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Speaker 3: I would say, come on, that's a little like you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe that's but the mustache that he has plus the hair.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know, how did no one ever

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Speaker 1: tell him? That's my question. Hey, buddy, you need to

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Speaker 1: you need to tone that one down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Here is the conclusion to all of this drama surrounding

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Speaker 1: the Hitler stand in who is not Hitler? Who has

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Speaker 1: been winning on Jeopardy to all you jerkolas, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I just I mean I am all in

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Speaker 1: when anybody gets called a jerkola. You thought comparing my

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Speaker 1: appeal arance to one of the most evil dictators who

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Speaker 1: ever lived was the height of comedy. Well, when I

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Speaker 1: get my Jeopardy winnings, I'm gonna be making a donation

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Speaker 1: to the Anti Defamation League. Now, buck, here's my question

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Speaker 1: for you. Has there ever been any person who has

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Speaker 1: ever destroyed a type of fashion more than Hitler? Ending

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Speaker 1: the Hitler mustache? Right like this guy? So there is

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Speaker 1: the name, I mean, the name Adolf Hitler at off you.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Hitler yes, you definitely don't meet

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Speaker 3: kids in the playground like that are that are Hitler.

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Speaker 1: But even the name Adolf is gone. Used to be

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Speaker 3: Adolf was a common name. You can go back and

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Speaker 3: check it was a common name. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: the mustache, that particular mustache. But also because I think

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Speaker 3: This is why you know when you go into like

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Speaker 3: has this kind of you know, turned up mustard Q mustache.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the fashion then.

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Speaker 3: And you know, you go, I think post Civil War

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Speaker 3: Right Sideburn comes from General Burnside, right, who very well

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know, one of the most disastrous attacks in

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Speaker 1: the history of American military history at Fredericksburg. So while

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Speaker 3: But usually, you know, when there's these these facial hair changes,

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Speaker 3: there's a certain way. Hitler's mustache was very specific even

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Speaker 3: so you definitely don't want to be conflated with him.

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Speaker 1: Nobody had and to kind of discuss facial hair status

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Speaker 1: for men, no one had a beard until like two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, by in large because I remember I

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Speaker 1: grew my I've had a beard for twenty years now.

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Speaker 3: but I actually if you look at the history of

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Speaker 3: the time of military, military fashion, drive civilian fashion. Look

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Speaker 3: at you know, obviously trench coats after the First World

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Speaker 1: To your point, everybody in civil war times grew a beard,

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Speaker 1: no matter what like that was not that common prior.

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Speaker 3: Right, But what I was gonna say is, and now

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Speaker 3: I've completely forgotten what I was.

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Speaker 1: Is it the Special Ops guy?

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you Special Ops guys coming back from Rock

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Speaker 3: and Afghanistan. Beards and tattoos. That's the high of badass masculinity,

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Speaker 3: and that has completely It's just sort of it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: Of what it means to look look like a dude.

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Speaker 3: You want to be bearded, tattooed, and preferably kind of jacked.

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Speaker 3: And that comes straight from the Special Operations community, out

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Speaker 1: That's why I think really pushed it. I'll even argue too,

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Speaker 1: I think the beard is a rejection of remember the

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of dudes. I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: the Special Ops guys are like American superheroes. But I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of women started saying I want actual dudes,

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Speaker 1: and beard is a hyper masculine way to look like

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Speaker 3: This all said, I'm thinking about shaving my beard, so

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Speaker 3: oh no, Sunday Hey with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: I saw this story Buck, and I wanted to have

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Speaker 1: a good story to close out the week. I don't

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Speaker 1: think this story has actually gotten as much attention as

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Speaker 1: it should have. Some of you will remember in Washington State.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody out there listening. In Washington State right now,

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Speaker 1: a coach named Joseph Kennedy was at Brimerton High School

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Speaker 1: and he was an assistant football coach and after games

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Speaker 1: he would pray at the fifty yard line and sometimes

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Speaker 1: other kids would decide to pray alongside of him. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't compelled, it was for people who felt this is

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Speaker 1: actually pretty common. Buck. As you probably know, even though

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Speaker 1: after football games, before football games, for there to be prayers.

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Speaker 1: It's a violent sport. People want people. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: am an America. I do watch some sports, so you're

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Speaker 1: familiar with this. This is not uncommon right after a

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Speaker 1: game for everybody together and to pray. Well. In Washington State,

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Speaker 1: he was fired from his job for choosing to pray

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Speaker 1: after games, and he eventually took his case all the

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Speaker 1: was suspended from his coaching job in twenty fifteen, and

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Speaker 1: he said, it was my covenant between me and God

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Speaker 1: after every game, win or lose, I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: it right there on the field of battle. He sued

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Speaker 1: the school district. It went all the way to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Justice nil Gorsek said, the Constitution and the

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Speaker 1: best of our traditions counsel mutual respect and tolerance, not

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Speaker 1: censorship and suppression for religious and non religious views alike.

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Speaker 1: He won his case at the Supreme Court. This coach did.

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Speaker 1: It was ordered that he'd be rehired as an assistant coach.

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Speaker 1: They paid for all of his lawyers, and he got

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Speaker 1: a one point seven million dollar settlement. So for everybody

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Speaker 1: out there buck going into the weekend, I know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: it can be frustrating. You feel like truth and justice

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Speaker 1: is not always winning. This story to me of a guy,

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Speaker 1: just an assistant high school football coach, fought for seven

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Speaker 1: only did he win all the way at the US

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Speaker 1: one point seven million dollars that, my friends, is a win.

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Speaker 3: It's a good day for America. Good day makes me happy.

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Speaker 3: Justice can be done. I want ever to remember that

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Speaker 3: that it is possible, because next week it may very

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Speaker 3: well feel like justice doesn't really get done very much

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Speaker 3: in this country at all, depending on how the situation

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Speaker 1: Dare we call this buck a beautiful result?

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Speaker 3: I think it's definitely a handsome result. It's very handsome.

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Speaker 3: This is a result that works out a lot.

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Speaker 1: For people out there who are not aware. Buck described

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Speaker 1: Michael Angelo as David as a beautiful man, and there

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Speaker 1: have been a lot of reactions rolling in as to

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Speaker 3: I know, I just thought we're on history class for

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Speaker 3: a second here, I thought I thought we were in

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Speaker 1: I thought we were in the nest. It's such as

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Speaker 1: Old School, one of the great all time movies.

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Speaker 3: The Frank the Tank would have called Michelangelo's David a

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Speaker 1: Certainly after you need to watch Old School again now

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Speaker 1: that you're married, because one of the I think the

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Speaker 1: funniest there's a ton of funny scenes in Old School.

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Speaker 1: But when Frank the tank is going through and he

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Speaker 1: gets offered a beer bong and he says, no, he's

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Speaker 1: got a really busy day. Yeah, he's got to go

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Speaker 1: to home depot. And you know what I say, done,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't me. Just so every it wasn't me.

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Speaker 3: I did have a friend in college though, who during

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Speaker 3: senior week when streaking and he got arrested. And this

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Speaker 3: was in the Carolinas and they kept him naked in

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Speaker 3: the back of the squad car. So streaking in the

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Speaker 3: movies is one thing, streaking in real life very different.

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Speaker 1: Did they give him clothes when he got to the jail.

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Speaker 3: They gave him like a blanket to wrap up in

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Speaker 3: at the jail, but he was naked in the back

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Speaker 1: I remember he told me about this, you do not

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Speaker 1: want to be It was not me. I'm not an ex.

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Speaker 1: I hope he didn't drop the soap. I appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you. I hope all of you have fantastic weekends.

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Speaker 1: Good congratulations that coach in Washington. Sundays with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: We've got Kevin downs with us now. He is the

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Speaker 3: producer of a new movie, Jesus Revolution, a story based

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Speaker 3: Good, sir, Thank you. So tell everybody across America why

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, right now is just a

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Speaker 3: You need to tell us the a bit of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus Revolution is based on a true story. The

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Speaker 3: We're speaking of Kevin Downs. He's a producer of Jesus Revolution,

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Speaker 3: What's the attitude like toward them in Hollywood? Are they

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Speaker 1: Well that's good to hear.

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Speaker 3: You know, so many times when we have people that

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Speaker 3: Kelsey Grammar, he's in your movie. I just think that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now we're still in theaters. This is

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Speaker 2: It's a movie definitely that is a better experience with

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Speaker 3: Look really appreciate you being with us, Kevin Downs. Jesus

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Speaker 1: As we are continuing to react to the craziness that

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Speaker 3: So Democrats have a not only a maniacal fixation on power,

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Speaker 3: But you know the Borg which is like these cyborgs

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Speaker 1: often have you been super engaged, excited and thrilled with

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Speaker 1: the result. If you keep losing, sooner or later you

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Speaker 1: have to change the game plan. You have to get nastier,

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Speaker 1: you have to get more committed, you have to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to win. And the number of people I

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Speaker 1: think back who just sit around and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think your founder example is a good one. What

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Speaker 1: would John Adams have said about this? Well, John Adams

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Speaker 1: would have kicked the British's ass. He wouldn't have kept

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Speaker 1: getting his ass kicked. And I think we got way

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Speaker 1: too few fighters out there to be frank, way too

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Speaker 1: many people looking over their shoulder. What is the New

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Speaker 1: York Times going to write? If I say that, How's

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post going to respond? Sack up?

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Speaker 3: You know, It's all that matters a scoreboard, man. You know,

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Speaker 3: I remember this when I played on teams, or when

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Speaker 3: I was even coaching a team. No matter what the

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Speaker 3: other team said, at the end of the game, all

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Speaker 3: that mattered was a scoreboard.

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Speaker 1: So best trash talk is scoreboard. That's it.

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Speaker 3: So we got to rack it up, friends, which means

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Speaker 3: also we got to be very honest about where we're weak,

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Speaker 3: where we're strong and what needs to be done