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Speaker 1: Welcome in Lake Kick is live at his Tuesday Night

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Speaker 1: January twenty fourth year of Our Lord twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: the most blasphemous Sabin Kirby comparison to date's moments from tonight.

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Speaker 1: I will get worked up on the show tonight. I

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Speaker 1: will be emotional, probably lose my cool, and say things

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Speaker 1: I'll have to apologize for. But it just got to

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Speaker 1: me today we were jampacked, high top and active downtown Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: So we got the Sabin Kirby thing, and it's a thing,

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Speaker 1: trust me, or I wouldn't be leading the show with it.

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Speaker 1: We've got job approval ratings. We have gotten like twelve

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Speaker 1: to fifteen coaches deep I can confirm that we have

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Speaker 1: gotten feedback from some coaches, constructive feedback. It's just a

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Speaker 1: simple disagreement on the job ratings so far. But here's

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Speaker 1: the thing about the job approval ratings, it's fluid. It

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Speaker 1: could change tomorrow. I'm of the opinion Dablos Wendy's job

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Speaker 1: approval has gone up in the last two weeks and

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Speaker 1: Clemson hasn't played a game in the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, we have four more coaches

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Speaker 1: on the clock tonight we open the mail bag up.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a few of your questions, and someone asked

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Speaker 1: a question that, quite frankly, you shouldn't have had to

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Speaker 1: ask because we should have already covered it on the

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Speaker 1: show since the season ended. I don't think any of

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Speaker 1: us around here are great, big fans of the current

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Speaker 1: state of officiating in our sport, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: us disagree on the playoff and all this other stuff,

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Speaker 1: but there's pretty consensus across the board agreement. No one's

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Speaker 1: really happy with it right now. Some people think we

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Speaker 1: need to nationalize officiating. Hey, I can keep the officiating

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Speaker 1: conference patches on the sleeve, just make them available at

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Speaker 1: the end of the game, you know, like make them

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Speaker 1: actually accountable for the calls they make. Anyway, I have

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Speaker 1: some thoughts on that, more so than I just shared

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Speaker 1: with you. We have five elite teams, or at least

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Speaker 1: teams that could be on the precipice of becoming elite

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Speaker 1: teams that are in the conversation. They have the right stuff,

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Speaker 1: and they can They're in the valley and they can

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Speaker 1: see the mountaintop. They still got to make the climb.

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Speaker 1: They're watching us in Woodstock, Georgia, Tonight Worcester, Ohio, Blacksburg, Virginia, Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: A couple of college towns there. Hey, make sure this

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Speaker 1: is just a garden variety reminder, but I should act

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Speaker 1: like something is imminent, and it would make you do

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Speaker 1: it more quickly. Just make sure you're following me on

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Speaker 1: the socials at Lake Kick Josh. A lot of fun

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Speaker 1: that's had there that doesn't happen on the show because well,

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Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, it can't happen on the show. It's

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Speaker 1: the Twitters, it's the instagrams of the world. And with

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Speaker 1: that in mind, deep breaths, let's dive into the show.

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Speaker 1: You know what, this is the earliest sip from the challice.

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Speaker 1: I will ever take a pet state chalice of supremacy

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Speaker 1: that many of you are peer pressuring me to make

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Speaker 1: available on the open market, and I'm just not there yet.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should sell them because then they

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Speaker 1: lose their value. You can only win these things, you

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Speaker 1: cannot purchase them. And by the way, there's a fresh

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Speaker 1: shipment going out. We're had them on back. So if

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Speaker 1: you're still waiting on a chaalie, don't worry I didn't

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Speaker 1: forget about you unless I did, in which case you

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Speaker 1: may want to DM me your address again. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: use the word blasphemy to open the show. Not a

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Speaker 1: word we use on this program very often because we're

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Speaker 1: not savages, We're not Brandon Walker. Rarely are we blasphemous.

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Speaker 1: But one of you asked a blasphemous question today, and

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Speaker 1: I want Director Colin to put that question up. And

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Speaker 1: if you're listening on podcast, I'm just gonna hit you

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Speaker 1: with it. And this may not mean to you what

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Speaker 1: it means to me, but trust me, it means enough

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Speaker 1: for both of us when it comes to how much

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Speaker 1: it means to me. Colin, here's your endpoint. Craig hit

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Speaker 1: us up today. We were minding our own business here

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Speaker 1: on this January twenty fourth, and Craig decided to throw

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Speaker 1: the entire show into a blender. He said, is Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban Fleetwood Mac nineteen seventy five, whereas Kirby Smart could

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Speaker 1: be like Rumors nineteen seventy seven, both incredible albums, but

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Speaker 1: we only know one was more amazing than the other

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Speaker 1: with the benefit of hindsight. That is from Chambly, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Some of you are new to the program. You don't

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Speaker 1: But there are some things you can do, and this

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Speaker 1: that was my favorite growing up, even though a vast majority,

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Speaker 1: in fact, I think all of their catalog had already

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Speaker 1: is he the greatest now? Not of all time? No

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Speaker 1: one's really saying, not even Georgia fans are saying that,

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Speaker 1: But they're asking has he surpassed and supplanted? Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: Jesse look up the difference in those words. For me,

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think they're interchangeable. Has Kirby Smart

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Speaker 1: overtaken the throne. You know, as Nick Saban in the

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Speaker 1: batter's box. Now, this is largely for us. Coaches don't

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Speaker 1: same context as everyone else. But that's okay. God made

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Speaker 1: January for conversations like this. But friends, when we look

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Speaker 1: at the question, Craig asked, that's not comparing these coaches

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Speaker 1: here and now. That's comparing entire bodies of work. And

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Speaker 1: that's comparing heads up without the context of one's been

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Speaker 1: what six or seven years now. Craig didn't allow us

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Speaker 1: to do that. Craig's just asking for a heads up

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Speaker 1: But there's this thing sometimes that I'm trying to be

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Speaker 1: is appreciating the here and now while also appreciating longevity.

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Speaker 1: Because my point is it's impossible to make the comparison.

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Speaker 1: This is no disrespect to Kirby Smart. What you're asking,

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Speaker 1: he actually the greatest of all time? It's impossible for

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Speaker 1: eventually becoming the head coach at Georgia. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's impossible. It's not disrespectful. It's impossible when you ask

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Speaker 1: me to compare one to the other. You're talking about now,

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Speaker 1: at least in my mind's eye, the greatest album ever

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Speaker 1: not even a fair question. You want to look at

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Speaker 1: rumors and you want to compare to Nick Saban. Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban's got one hundred and eighty nine wins at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: That's your dreams. He's got pause. He got six national

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Speaker 1: titles just at Bama. That's the chain. You know, He's

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Speaker 1: Gold dust Woman, by the way, forty one first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Remember he's got several more first round picks than total

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Speaker 1: losses at Alabama. Go your own way. Number one classes

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Speaker 1: sitting there at ten of them. That's your rhiannon four

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Speaker 1: and one versus Kirby. By the way, Kirby only just

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Speaker 1: even a fair comparison. Saban's not the nineteen seventy five album,

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Speaker 1: Same is the greatest hits album. Saban's the entire compilation

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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart's doing it as good as you can possibly

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Speaker 1: know what else. Guys in his profession also appreciate, they

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Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that the sport has changed because of

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Speaker 1: And this is a real story here. Every year since

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Speaker 1: You gotta do that stuff for over a decade and

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Speaker 1: when you think about what Kirby Smart's capable of. You know,

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Speaker 1: wins since nineteen ninety eight. Ninety eight great year for

425
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Speaker 1: a lot of things. It's not a great comparative year

426
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Speaker 1: when you're going back that far to look at what

427
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: Oklahoma just duplicated in the Year of Our Lord twenty

428
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Speaker 1: twenty two. But when Brent Venables got hired, I'm building

429
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Speaker 1: up to the letter grade. I'm kind of stalling, but

430
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Speaker 1: I'm building up to the letter grade. When he got hired,

431
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think they were going to push for

432
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Speaker 1: a playoff spot. But what is he known for? Brenton

433
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: Vnables is a defensive guy, defensive mastermind. I say that

434
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: kind of mockingly, but I actually agree with it. The

435
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: guy had great defenses at Clemson. We also know he

436
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: had personnel at Clemson better than what he inherited. But

437
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Dylan Gabriel transferred in at quarterback,

438
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: but you know they're going to be really relying on him.

439
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: But just outside of offense, I said to you in

440
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Speaker 1: the summer, and I believed it. One area I am

441
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: pretty sure they're going to improve in is out with

442
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and Alex Grinch, in with Brent Venables. At

443
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Speaker 1: the very least, they're going to improve defensively. Right, Certainly,

444
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: that guy's identity, that guy's thumbprint will be seen statistically

445
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: in the defensive profile this year. Nope, quite the opposite.

446
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: Last year. Points per game, Oklahoma's fifty eighth in the country.

447
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: It's not good, but they were ninety eighth this year

448
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: and that's just flat out bad. Brent Venables is getting

449
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: a C minus for his I guess debut season. We're

450
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: not really grating the season just so happens, he's only

451
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: got one under his belt. Now, if you were to

452
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: do this in year four, you would be getting an F.

453
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Speaker 1: So you may say, ooh, that's a little harsh. No

454
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: CE minus hit in harsh C minus is taking into

455
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Speaker 1: account this guy's a first year head coach. I happen

456
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: to look at their recruiting and say, well, there's some

457
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: cause for not celebration, because that doesn't mean anything but excitement.

458
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Speaker 1: At least. I certainly think that it was an untenable position.

459
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: He was put in a really surprisingly difficult position because

460
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Speaker 1: of the amount of talent that left when Lincoln Riley did.

461
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: But yet when we were looking at preseason odds, it's

462
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Speaker 1: almost like America watched all those good players walk out

463
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: and say it doesn't matter, Oklahoma will just win because

464
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: they're Oklahoma. Well, Oklahoma doesn't win just because they're Oklahoma.

465
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Speaker 1: They're Oklahoma because they've had good football players for a

466
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Speaker 1: long time and they didn't have enough of them this year. Like,

467
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: that's the long and short of it. They have to

468
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: get more good football players. And that is why I

469
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Speaker 1: keep looking at recruiting and keep looking at the transfer portal.

470
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Speaker 1: And that's a familiar theme. We're going to talk about one, two, three.

471
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about three first year guys in this

472
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Speaker 1: segment tonight, So Brent Vinnible C Minus. I'm gonna be

473
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: pretty interested, especially from Oklahoma fans, to see if you agree,

474
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Speaker 1: because I surprisingly some of you have been more harsh

475
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Speaker 1: on your own head coach than I have. And I

476
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: get it. It's not fun. It's not fun getting blanked

477
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: by Sark and not necessarily a vintage Texas team at

478
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Speaker 1: three game losing streak. They also hadn't had one of

479
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Speaker 1: those this millennium, so that wasn't fun either. Oh boy,

480
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: this next one, I should have put it forth, but

481
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I put it second. We do have to do Sam

482
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: Pittman tonight. I've pushed this as far down the road

483
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: as I can. So they won nine games last year.

484
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: They just went seven and six, and a lot of

485
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: people are selling on Arkansas. We talked the other night

486
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: about how many players have left the program. They've had

487
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: several coaches move on. We call that church in the industry.

488
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a football industry term, but you get it.

489
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be disagreed with here, but I'm giving

490
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Speaker 1: Sam Pittman a bee. Little bit of a homer, Yes

491
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Speaker 1: I am. But I am going to tell you, or

492
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you rather to remember who we're talking

493
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Speaker 1: about here. This is not Sam Pittman, head coach of

494
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State Buckeyes, where it is their birthright to

495
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: win double digits per year. That's not the floor in Fayetteville,

496
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Speaker 1: Arkansas getting a lot of snow tonight. By the way,

497
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: bundle up out there in northwest Arkansas. I'm giving Sam

498
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Speaker 1: Pittman a bee because I think that I'm pretty well

499
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Speaker 1: in line with what the historic expectation at Arkansas should be,

500
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: and they exceeded it last year, and that built up

501
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: a great, big height balloon. Sadly, some people on this

502
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: show contributed to it, and I don't want to name names,

503
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: just certain voices on this solo hosted show, I hope

504
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm being pretty clear, contributed to that. And they won

505
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: seven games this year. Okay, so let's just put on

506
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: the table what happened. They won seven games, They had

507
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: quarterback injury, they had internal issues. This is excuse making,

508
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: so bear with me. They had probably the toughest schedule

509
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Speaker 1: in the country. My point there, as Colin rolls B.

510
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: Role of the A and M Arkansas game is this.

511
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: My point is, if you tell me preseason, with the

512
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: schedule they're gonna play, They're gonna have kJ Jefferson go

513
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: down to injury, They're gonna lose a bunch of their

514
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Speaker 1: defensive players really early in the year they're playing that schedule,

515
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: like I said, and also they're gonna have not the

516
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: best internal dynamic. You know what, I would have thought.

517
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Speaker 1: I would have thought they're gonna miss a bowl game.

518
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Speaker 1: I would have thought Arkansas was going to be Texas

519
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: A and M this year. I thought Arkansas under those circumstances,

520
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: was going to be the team that missed bowl season

521
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: all together. And somehow they lost to a speak of

522
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Speaker 1: the Aggies and yet still pulled the nose up enough

523
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: to make a bowl game. Yes, those are excuses, okay,

524
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: because the bottom line is whatever dynamic existed there, it

525
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: ultimately falls in the lap of the head coach, who

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00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: is Sam Pittman, whose job approval rating we are dishing

527
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Speaker 1: out tonight. And yes, I mean it's up to him

528
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: to be able to replenish a roster and have enough depth.

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00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: And that's all well and good. Look that sounds great.

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00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: This is the University of Arkansas, So up until about

531
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Speaker 1: five minutes ago, no one would have looked at this

532
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: program and held it to that standard. They became a

533
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: prisoner of that standard. They became a prisoner of twenty

534
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Speaker 1: twenty one's results in twenty twenty two, because the fact is,

535
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Speaker 1: up until this year, no one ever looked at Arkansas

536
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Speaker 1: win in seven games, especially with that schedule, and would

537
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Speaker 1: have said, oh, that's a failure. You wouldn't have and

538
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: now you do. So I have to kind of give

539
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: praise to Sam Pittman because he did elevate the expectation.

540
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: The problem is they failed to meet it. I am not, however,

541
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: gonna bump him down into the sea range over one season.

542
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: If they stack a bunch of seven win seasons on

543
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: top of each other, then I will do that. But

544
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: I happen to think that twenty twenty three is gonna

545
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: be a better year for them in twenty twenty two.

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00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: This isn't a prediction segment. I'm just saying the head

547
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: coach at Arkansas is getting more than one seven win

548
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: season before I pull the plug on him. Let's go

549
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: to Miami. This one's really difficult. This is hard, Mario Christobal.

550
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: We gotta be real about some things. We gotta be

551
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: real about the fact that in no year, under no

552
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: rebuild project, can you be getting beat forty five to

553
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: thirty one at home by Middle Tennessee State. You can't

554
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: be losing forty five to twenty one to first year

555
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: head coach Mike Elko and Duke. You inherited Miami. He

556
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: inherited Duke and beat you. He more than doubled you up.

557
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: You can't be getting beat forty five to three to

558
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Florida State. You can't do that in any year. And

559
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: I know that he Rio Christaball didn' inherit the best

560
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: situations down there. And I have spoken many times and

561
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: I will speak it at least one more tonight about

562
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: my vision for where I think he'll take that program.

563
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: But we don't get to grade tonight based on where

564
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: we think they're going. We're just stuck with where they

565
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: are right now. So I gave Mario Christobaul C plus

566
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of you are going to think that's

567
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: way too high. The staff did, but my reason for

568
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: this is, like I said with Brent Vinnables, we grade

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Speaker 1: first year head coaches on a curve. I'm about to

570
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: do it with Calen Debor, although I don't need to

571
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: because he did everything right regardless of whether he's a

572
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Speaker 1: veteran or not. But also I happened to believe that

573
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: probably the situation down there was a little bit worse

574
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: off than it looked on the surface. And I also

575
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: think that this was one of those situations. It's not

576
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: always like this, but sometimes it is like this where

577
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: in order to push the right long term buttons, they

578
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: had to go backwards in year one. It was just necessary.

579
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: Now what I ultimately expect because of the way they're

580
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: acquiring talent and the talent they're acquiring, and let me

581
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: pause for effect, some staff moves still to come that

582
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't think have happened yet. I think they'll be fine,

583
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: Like this year, this upcoming year, I think they'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: So if I were doing a projection segment tonight, I

585
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily have Christabaul in the C plus category. But

586
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: we're not doing that tonight, so I have to have

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00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: him in the C plus category because, like I said,

588
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: you should be good enough even on the fly, to

589
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: handle Middle Tennessee and Duke at home. You should be

590
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: good enough to do that regardless. There is never an

591
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: excuse for that in Miami. So I can't do anything

592
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: better than a C plus there Now to go to

593
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the Great Pacific Northwest and talk about Kaylin de boor

594
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: mmm mmm mm. The highest we can go is A plus.

595
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: So if I could go a plus plus, I'd do it.

596
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: But this isn't one of those schools like Bradley went

597
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: to where they inflate your gpa like four point five

598
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: five point Oh, that's not real life. It's not real life,

599
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: and it's great for you. If someone's telling you you

600
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: got a four point seventy five gpa, that's not the

601
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: real world. Four point zero is supposed to be the ceiling, okay,

602
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: And I can tell you I didn't even flirt with

603
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: that at Harris County High School. But theoretically, if I

604
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: took care of business in the classroom, I should have

605
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: been able to acquire four point h and know better

606
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: than four point Oh, Kalyn debor a plus, he's four

607
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: point zero across the board. What could he possibly have

608
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: done better? He comes to Washington, they're four and eight.

609
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: He comes to Washington, They're a non factor. He comes

610
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: to Washington. And it's not like he came in there

611
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and he inherited a bunch of five star talent that

612
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: someone had been underachieving with. He inherited a sneaky good roster.

613
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: But no one looked at Washington and said, there they

614
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: are the Georgia Bulldogs of the Northwest, the University of Washington.

615
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: The only thing those programs had in common was they

616
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: have canine mascots. That's the beginning and end of it.

617
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: And Calen de bor goes and just wins eleven games

618
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: in year one, beats Oregon in year one, and does

619
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: so with Michael Pennix at quarterback. And it's very easy

620
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: for someone to look at Michael Pennix after the season

621
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, of course Kaylin Deboor won more

622
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: games he had Michael Pennix. Oh no, no, no, you

623
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: don't get to do that. You don't get to do

624
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: that unless you celebrated the acquisition when they got him

625
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: out of the portal. But no one did, or very

626
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: few of you did. I didn't. I'm including myself here.

627
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I didn't. You know why, because Michael Pennix has been

628
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: injury prone his entire career, and he's been a turnover

629
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: machine his entire career, and when Washington got him, quite frankly,

630
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: I thought they were bringing him in to add depth,

631
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Speaker 1: and I thought, ultimately one of the other guys up

632
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: there was going to win the job. That was my

633
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: first reaction when they brought him in and instead listen

634
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: to this overnight turnaround. In twenty twenty one, the University

635
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: of Washington average twenty one point five points per game.

636
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Speaker 1: They were one hundred and eighth in the country in

637
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: points per game. One year later, they were seventh in

638
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: America in points per game. They added about eighteen points

639
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: per game on average to their final score from last

640
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: year to this year. Jesse, what was it you told me?

641
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: They added something like over two hundred yards per game

642
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: on average offensively, just insane numbers, so much so that

643
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: it looks like there should be a red squiggly under

644
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the stats they put up this year.

645
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: They look like errors. They look like someone else's stats

646
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: accidentally got copied and pasted over into the Washington spreadsheet. Nope,

647
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: that's really what Caitlyn de Bor did with Michael Pennitt's

648
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: quarterback in year one. Phenomenal job. Could not possibly think

649
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: any more highly of what he did up there, and

650
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: as a result, you look at what he did, you

651
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: look at what Chip Kelly has started to do. I

652
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: think really leveraging the portal well at UCLA. You've got

653
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Landing there. At Oregon, You've got Smith over there at

654
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Oregon State. Look up and down the coast in the

655
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, look at the quarterback position this year alone.

656
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: In the Pac twelve. You know you're gonna get a

657
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: solid product out of Whitningham at Utah, Ham rising Jesse's

658
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: doppelgangers back. You know what you're gonna get from Caleb

659
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: Williams and Lincoln Riley at usc JE Fish is taking

660
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Arizona no place but up Kenny Dillingham, very interesting acquisition

661
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: there at Arizona State. The pack toile is getting really good,

662
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: really good, hopefully sustainably good. But this upcoming year, if

663
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: you want to be ahead of the curve, save the

664
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Pac twelve jokes. The ones that you may have accurately

665
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: been able to use two years ago may not necessarily

666
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: work this upcoming year. So they're already playing better football

667
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: out there. You have a really good year for that

668
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: conference coming up. Such a good year, they may cannibalize

669
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: themselves right in front of and everyone. They may do that,

670
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: but it won't be because they're playing inferior football out there.

671
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: For the first time in quite a while, they're watching

672
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: us in Camilla, Georgia, League City, Texas and Clarksville, Tennessee.

673
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: And boy do I appreciate that, and we all appreciated.

674
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: Our numbers are pretty insane right now. What'd you just say, Jesse?

675
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: Oh well, that wasn't Jesse, it was Colin. Could I

676
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: ask you to do a quick favor. Could I ask

677
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: the nearly eighteen hundred of you who are watching live

678
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: minus three to eighty who have already done it, to

679
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: click the thumbs up button, click the like button, pretend

680
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: that the power grid depends on it. You know, we

681
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: have to find a way. Probably we just need to

682
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: give away cash to people randomly in exchange. I believe

683
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: we call that bribery. Who cares? I do it here

684
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: all the time, off the record. So yeah, like the

685
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: video and subscribe to the channel. That's all I need

686
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: you to do. We go back into the mailbag and

687
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: take another sip from the chalice. I spilt some of

688
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: the mysterious liquid today and it never even spilled out

689
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: of the cup. Very little chance that's healthy for me.

690
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: But you know what I can see, and I don't

691
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: have light sensitivity. So we're on the road to recovery,

692
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, Okay, let's continue here. Bradley,

693
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: not the one that we hang out with. Bradley hit

694
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: us up and he said, umpires are being potentially phased

695
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: out of baseball, not having to call balls and strikes

696
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: in the near future. Do you think the same thing

697
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: will happen to sideline and goal line judges College Station, Texas?

698
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: And what I did is I took this question and

699
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: I just reimagined it artistic licensing, creative freedom, whatever you

700
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: want to call that, And I just I pretended. Bradley

701
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: asked me, Hey, what kind of changes should be made

702
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: to officiating period in college football? Several? Bradley, several. This

703
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: is one of probably the most fun, play a longish

704
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: question on this show's history, because every one of you's

705
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: got an opinion on this. Every one of you, at

706
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: some point in a given Saturday, yells at your TV

707
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: or is sitting in a crowd somewhere and you yell

708
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: at the field. And sometimes it's not even because a

709
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: call was bad. Sometimes it's just over the stupidity of

710
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: the way we still officiate this sport. Make no mistake,

711
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: plenty of bad calls, but there's some things that just

712
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: from a procedural standpoint, are dumb. And I'll tell you

713
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: the first one. Spotting the football in twenty twenty three

714
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: should not require chains, It should not require the naked

715
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: eye that should have been done away with a long

716
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: time ago. We just claim to have picked up a

717
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: radar signal from some galaxy ninety billion light years away,

718
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: and we can't figure out whether someone picked up a

719
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: first down or not on planet Earth thirty yards away

720
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: from where we're standing. It's not that we can't, it's

721
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: that we refuse to picture this. I didn't plan on

722
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: using this as a prop because it's a basketball. Just

723
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: pretend for a second, if you will, that this is

724
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: a football, and you're gonna have to use theater of

725
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: the mind. If you're on podcast thinks really soft, Hey,

726
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: what stops me from micro chipping this entire seam? Just

727
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: put a micro to put it, put a laser strip

728
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: that is that is computerized in this entire sea. So basically,

729
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: imagine these are the lasers of the football, or imagine

730
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: that this is the front end and this is the

731
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: back end. If I were to insert chips into this ball,

732
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: which costs like four ninety nine apiece, and then I

733
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: also lay electric grid over the field, I don't have

734
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: to worry about spotting a football anymore. The only thing

735
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: I have to worry about is when forward progress is stopped,

736
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: because if a guy has either either touched the ground

737
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: or stopped forward progress but then reaches out afterwards, that

738
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: strip doesn't know that forward progress has been stopped. But

739
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: when we're talking about spotting a ball, and you think

740
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: about the amount of egregious misspots on footballs, and then

741
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: we got a chain crew that comes out that also

742
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: has no business on football fields in twenty twenty three.

743
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: If you want it for optics, if you want it

744
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: for old time's sake, I'm fine with that, but it

745
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: needs to be cosmetic. We had an NFL playoff game

746
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: that had to stop the other day because the chains broke.

747
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: I want you to imagine showing up on Earth in

748
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and you're looking at a football game saying,

749
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: why has the action stopped? Oh? The chains broke? What chains?

750
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: What's that is? That metaphorical what is a chan No, no, no,

751
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: it's actually a thing that connects two sticks that we

752
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: used to measure how long ten yards is? In what

753
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty three? Are you high? Yeah? Pretty much.

754
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: That's the only explain at this point. So if you

755
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: were to invent the game today, you would do all

756
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: of these things. You would never in a million years

757
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: have twenty two bodies piled up and still say that

758
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: aligned judge standing over here fifteen twenty yards away is

759
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: just gonna be able to eyeball where the football should be.

760
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: And then if it's close, we're gonna take two guys

761
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: ridiculously dressed and they're gonna be holding onto sticks if

762
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: they're not broken, and they're gonna run them out there,

763
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna find out whether the yard to

764
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: gain has been made. And then if you go back

765
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: to certain bowl games infamous in nature in the past,

766
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't even matter if you picked up the

767
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: first down. Fortunately, you may have Jadavion Clowney to clean

768
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: that mistake up. But you don't always have a Clowney,

769
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, you don't always have the review process. Speaking

770
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: of the review process, why are we going under hoods.

771
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: Why why is an official on the field having to

772
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: take a step in a review process now? Producer Jesse

773
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: tells me that our friends in the Sunday game have

774
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: finally gotten their act together and they don't even have

775
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: the on field officials do anything. They just review something

776
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: real time, either in the booth in the stadium or

777
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: in New York and they just let them know in

778
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: their ear whether to overturn a call or not. There

779
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: was never a reason for officials to go over. And

780
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: then they pull the hood out and they go under

781
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: the hood and what are you doing because someone up

782
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: in a booth is watching it. Anyway, It takes time

783
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: and it's really boring, and you're trying to speed up

784
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: the pace of play. You guys are right here talking

785
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: about keeping the clock running on first downs and out

786
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: of bounds plays, and I'm like, how about the combined

787
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: six and a half minutes that you're wasting on reviewing

788
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: every other play? How about do it in real time.

789
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: I know when I'm watching the replay on TV, sometimes

790
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: minutes ahead of an obvious call that's coming. That's time wasting.

791
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: I would change that. I would also completely the goal line.

792
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: This goes back to spotting of the ball. I would

793
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I watch it happen. I know a lot of you

794
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: don't get to see this when we go into stadiums,

795
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: Like if I'm in a CBS game, you'll walk in

796
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: and you will be there before the gates open to

797
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: the public. So you'll go. The first thing you'll do

798
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: is you go find Jenny Dell and you'll hug her

799
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: and you'll say, how are you doing? And then you

800
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: will ask, if it rains, if you can use her

801
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: umbrella from the CBS crew. And then once you got

802
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: that out of the way, you watch the CBS tech

803
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: guys and they cut a strip right into the grass

804
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: if it's natural surface, actually cut into the grass, and

805
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: then they take a wire that connects to that pylon

806
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: cam and they run the wire into the ground over

807
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: to whatever it is that connects to and then they

808
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: kind of fold the grass back down. Ground screws love that.

809
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: By the way, we've all My point is, we've already

810
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: got a strip ironically that runs from the pylon out

811
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: of bounds over to a tech box somewhere, But you

812
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: can't run one across the goal line that interacts with

813
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: a football to let us know whether a ball has

814
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: crossed the plane before your knee is down. And my

815
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: question is why this didn't even like baseball. By the way,

816
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: if you took this call out of officials hands that

817
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: probably appreciate it. You're not taking holding calls and off side.

818
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: There's still plenty of purposes for officials to be on

819
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: a football field. There's no way with the technology we

820
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: have that they should be having to make those calls

821
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: with their naked eye. And then, as is usually the case,

822
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: down near the goal line, there are too many bodies

823
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: around the football. How many times do you see a

824
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: situation where you can't technically see the ball break the plane,

825
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: but common sense tells you with the way the bodies

826
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: are contorted, that the football is somewhere in there and

827
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: it's clearly broken the plane, but you don't have a

828
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: clear shot and it was ruled down at the half

829
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: yard line on the field, So the call stands. Next

830
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: play fumble? Where did I see that? Very very recently?

831
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: And my point is that should be changed, should be

832
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: changed tomorrow. But I tell you the one that gets

833
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: under my skin the most is well two of them.

834
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: Number one targeting because still twenty twenty three incounting. No

835
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: one can define it as it is enforced. No one

836
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: can define it. I know there's a rule book that

837
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: tells me what targeting is. I just don't necessarily think

838
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: it syncs up with the way the game is officiated.

839
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: And the other thing is I understand why I do

840
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: not have access to CIA officials. I understand why I

841
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: don't have access to classified documents. I get it. I

842
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: get that there are some things that are not my

843
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: business and it's in the best interest of national security

844
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: for us to be kept in the dark. I just

845
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: don't think the outcomes of football games and the off

846
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: side call that was or wasn't on third and four

847
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: late third quarter fits that description. And so my question

848
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: is why do college kids have to be made available

849
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: to media, and their coaches have to be made available

850
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: to media, and yet the guys who are literally tasked

851
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: with enforcing the rules of the game don't have to

852
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: answer for anything. That's the tap of my pen. I

853
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: await an answer from the head of officiating in any

854
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: one of these conferences. I've asked this question several times.

855
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: I've actually had interaction with two league offices, with heads

856
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: of officiating in two league offices. But all I've ever

857
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: gotten is boilerplate language. No one has ever told me

858
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: why we don't get answers on some of the biggest calls,

859
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: football or basketball. You don't get answers. The best you

860
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: can do sometimes is Monday morning, the league office tells

861
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: you in retrospect, Hey, that game you lost Saturday, you

862
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't have lost it. Now still going to count as

863
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: a loss, of course, because we screwed it up. You're

864
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to bear the burden of it, because no

865
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: one's gonna remember that we screwed up when it comes

866
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: time to give you your playoff spot or your bold

867
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: bit at the end of the year. And some of

868
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: your coaches out there having incentives in their contracts for

869
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: winning certain numbers of games. No, no, no, no, all

870
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: that you're screwed on. But it's kind of our fault

871
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: the end. See you this Saturday, where the same team

872
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: is going to officiate your game again. What can you do?

873
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: You have no recourse as a coach, you have no recourse.

874
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone really specific who was laying

875
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: out for me the process week to week of cutting

876
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: up tape and going through it and isoing plays that

877
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: they want to send to the league office and the

878
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: responses they get back and sometimes it's over a dozen.

879
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah we missed that one. Well, why don't I hear that?

880
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: This is an entertainment business. That's what this is. You

881
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: make the money you make as a conference, not because

882
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: you are providing a public service. You make the money

883
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: you make as a conference, whether it's the ACC or

884
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: the Big ten of the SEC because you are providing entertainment.

885
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of people bet on this stuff too,

886
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: And don't turn your nose up at that because that's

887
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: making you money. And in turn, you basically give a

888
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: giant middle finger to him when one of the most

889
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: important mechanisms in that form of entertainment you're not giving

890
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: any access to. You don't get any answers from it whatsoever.

891
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: Like imagine if Netflix handled your credit card information that way.

892
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: It's really none of your business, actually it is. You're

893
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of supposed to be serving me, not the other

894
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: way around. I don't serve you, you're supposed to be

895
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: serving me. And coaches say the same thing. This isn't

896
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: strictly just a fan complaint. Coaches look and say, are

897
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: we gonna get an answer? How many times do you

898
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: hear a coach at a postgame press conference and they're asked, hey,

899
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: did you get an explanation on that call? And they

900
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 1: just they're handcuffed because number one, no, well they didn't

901
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: get an answer or an explanation. Number two, if they

902
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: question it, they're gonna get fined because they do have

903
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: to answer publicly and bear a public burden for a

904
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: responsibility for their actions. It's officials. It's only officials that don't. Now,

905
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I will tell you, as I've explained before, there are

906
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: two sort of very thin veils that leagues hide behind

907
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: to explain why their officials aren't made public. Number one is, well,

908
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: they're not full time employees. Number two, they're not paid

909
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: a lot of money, to which my response is pay

910
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: them more and make them full time employees the end.

911
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Do you know how many zeros are on the end

912
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: of these media rights deals you guys just signed, even

913
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: without the media rights deals, do you have any idea

914
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: how much money flows through these conferences? You're going to

915
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: tell me that you don't think officiating, the actual enforcement

916
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: of your rules is important enough to warrant either full

917
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: time employment or at the very least raising the standard

918
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: to we're in exchange. These people do have to give

919
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: an answer for their actions. No one even believes that.

920
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: It's almost an insult when they tell you, Well, these

921
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: guys they've got regular jobs Monday through Thursday. They fly

922
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: into these these venues out of the kindness of their heart,

923
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: and now they get a little stipend, but they're really

924
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: doing it for the love of the game. I got

925
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: a lot of other folks out there that are qualified too,

926
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: that would do it for the love of the game

927
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: and also happily answer your questions afterwards. I could say

928
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: a lot more. Now, those of you in the high

929
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: school officiating circuit out there who have ever tried to

930
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: dip your toes into the waters of college officiating, understand

931
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: how crooked those ladders are when you try and climb them.

932
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: I hope I haven't been unclear there either. Yeah, so

933
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: good old boy network. If you've never heard that term before,

934
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: you're looking at it when you're looking at some of

935
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: the folks who officiate college football on Saturday. Now, I

936
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: have nothing against officials. Sounds like I'm trying to demonize them.

937
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't have problem with officials. I got a problem

938
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: with the way officiating happens, especially on the back end,

939
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: because you never get an answer. So Bradley, I hope

940
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: you're happy. Those are some of the things that I

941
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: would change about college football officiating. I appreciate you guys

942
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: being tuned in. If you're tuned in, by the way,

943
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: all right, I had another question, because, as I said,

944
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: we opened the mail bag today, Randy asked, Hey, outside

945
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: of Georgia and Bama and Michigan and Ohio State, which

946
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: team is the most likely to rise next to elite

947
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: status and compete for the national title. Now, I've got

948
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: to take exception with something that Randy said here. I'll

949
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: do it in a second. The first one that came

950
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: to mind, and these are teams that theoretically could do

951
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: this is of course USC comes to mind. Obviously. The

952
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: biggest obstacles standing in their way is they need way

953
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: better defensive talent. I mean way better, and certainly they're

954
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: in the process of doing that. They are at the

955
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: very least one class, if not two classes and portal.

956
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: When I say class, I mean recruiting plus portal. At

957
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: the very least one to two classes away from that.

958
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: But I don't have I don't think I ever have

959
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: to worry about the caliber of quarterback they're going to have.

960
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about offensive skill talent. I

961
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: still fully believe there is a Lincoln Riley National Championship

962
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: year somewhere out there. It just hasn't happened yet. But

963
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: as we always say, there's a big difference between cannot

964
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: and have not. So USC. Certainly, if we're looking down

965
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: the road and there's this blank and a question mark

966
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: and someone's joining Tier one of college football, it's a guarantee.

967
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: We just have to guess who. I think it would

968
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: be foolish to overlook USC. This isn't me saying twenty

969
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: twenty three is the year it happens, although maybe it is.

970
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it isn't, but I would go USC. But I

971
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: want to go back to the question for just a second.

972
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: He said outside of and then he listed some teams,

973
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming he's insinuating the teams he listed are

974
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: already elite. And he said Bama and Georgia. Got no

975
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: problem with that. He said Ohio State, and for sake

976
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: of argument, they're up there. But he said Michigan too,

977
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: And I don't think Michigan's elite yet. I'm talking about

978
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: over a sustained period, not prisoner of the moment. I

979
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: don't think Michigan's elite. I think they're knocking on the door.

980
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: I think they're right there. Probably you know, they're on

981
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: the tarmac and the pilots come over the PA and

982
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: they've said, hey, we're cleared, we're first in line for takeoff.

983
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: But I don't think that they're on the runway yet.

984
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they're off the ground yet. And the

985
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: reason I don't think that is because don't you have

986
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: to have at least won a playoff game to be

987
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: considered elite or if we lowered the standard for what

988
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: that word means not on this show. So you could

989
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: have a good argument with me about Ohio State too,

990
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at Michigan right now because there are

991
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: still things Ohio State's done over the past few years

992
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: that Michigan hasn't even done. But they're really close. The

993
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: only thing that I I think holds them back. See,

994
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: they're in the really really good category now. The only

995
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: thing that I think would hold them back from entering

996
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: that elite category is just roster talent. And I'm not

997
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: looking at the team right now I gotta be very

998
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: very specific with what I'm saying. They got a really

999
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: good team coming back, and I thought they were plenty

1000
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: good enough this year. I truthfully think they choked away

1001
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: a golden opportunity in that semi final game, just choked

1002
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: away a golden opportunity, But it happened, and we can't

1003
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: change that roster talent. I don't think held them back.

1004
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: But what I am thinking about is, as good as

1005
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: they are at evaluation and development, how different it would

1006
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: be if their overall roster talent was another notch up,

1007
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: if they were recruiting top ten classes instead of top

1008
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: twenty classes. And my thought kept going back to in

1009
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: that TCU game, even as bad as it went for them,

1010
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: what would adding one or two more elite athletes on

1011
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: that field, potentially from Michigan in other words, bail you

1012
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: out type players, Because there have been games we've watched

1013
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Georgia and Bama both do it where they have not

1014
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: played a game where they're really worthy of winning, but

1015
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: they got so many good athletes running around that if

1016
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: you give them enough time to run around, they make

1017
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: things happen. Michigan's not quite at that level. And what

1018
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: I look at right now over the past two recruiting

1019
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: cycles is not only have they not been top five

1020
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: ish in recruiting that's hard to do, they haven't finished

1021
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: top two in the Big Ten in the past two

1022
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: recruiting cycles. And I think they should be better than that.

1023
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: And I think to become a perennially elite team they

1024
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: need to be better than that. Now you should theoretically

1025
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: be seeing a big bump off of back to back

1026
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: Big Ten championships and back to back playoff appearances. And

1027
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: there's a school of thought out there. I don't really

1028
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: know if this is true or not, but there's a

1029
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: school of thought that Jim Harbaugh's flirtation with the NFL

1030
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: in back to back years has maybe dampened a little

1031
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: bit some of that momentum they otherwise would have gotten. Again,

1032
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. That's a really really

1033
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: granular thing that's hard to prove. But Michigan's they're very,

1034
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: very close. So I'm nitpicking right now, but Michigan is

1035
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: certainly a team that should be in this conversation. LSU

1036
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: is a team that should be in this conversation. What

1037
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: separates them now they're a little bit further away. Remember

1038
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about the word elite, and they overachieve this year, certainly,

1039
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: but to be elite, they also need to stack some

1040
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: more roster talent. They need to stack a couple more

1041
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: classes on top of each other. They need offensive balance.

1042
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: They've got to be able to run the ball a

1043
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: lot better than they have the last several years. That's

1044
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: just upgrading offensive skill. They need more defensive depth, and

1045
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I think they're well on their way to doing it.

1046
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: They are recruiting the way that you should. They're probably

1047
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years away when you're stacking those kind

1048
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: of classes on top of each other. But if we're

1049
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: asking who could be elite in the next couple of years,

1050
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: all the arrows are pointing in the right direction, at

1051
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: least for them. And some of the concerns that some

1052
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: people had, I'm not one of them, but the concerns

1053
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: that some people have that Brian Kelly one of his

1054
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: secret struggles was gonna be recruiting not happening. Not happen.

1055
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: They got the number one portal class, their top ten

1056
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 1: in recruiting, so they're gonna have the players. They're gonna

1057
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: have them. And I've watched Brian Kelly. We all have

1058
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: for a long time. He's not an underachiever. It is

1059
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: a great, big myth that he underachieved at Notre Dame.

1060
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: I think he overachieved. The only time the guy was

1061
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: losing was when he faced more talented teams. That's essentially

1062
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: the only time I thought some of the criticism of

1063
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: well he loses in the playoff all the time he

1064
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: was in the playoff. Is the point had Notre Dame

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00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: in the playoff, They're not supposed to beat Clemson, They're

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: not supposed to beat Alabama. They're not as good as them.

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00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: It would be an upset if he were to beat him. Anyway,

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00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: that's the past. The future is he's at a place

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: where he can match athletes in those future matchups with

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: that caliber opponent. So I would look at LSU. We

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00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: also have another submission here because I was kind and

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: generous good Natalie Merchant album by the Way or a song.

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00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: I was kind and generous enough to seek input from

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: the Peanut Gallery earlier today, and so the fighting Jesse's

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00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: of Penn State have made their way onto the list,

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00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: and I have been given some talking points, and that's

1077
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying that I disagree with what I'm about

1078
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: to say. I'm just saying, how should I put this?

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00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Jesse does have the power to take the show off

1080
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: the air. There is technically a button he could press

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00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: in there right now and we could disappear. And so

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00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just read what he said. Penn State returns

1083
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: all three stars linebacker this year. They have six offensive

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00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: lineman returning with five plus games starting experience. Is that

1085
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: right so far? Jesse? Yes, right, so far. They've got

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00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: the best one to two running back combo in the

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: Big Ten. I think Michigan would argue with that. Abdul

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00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: Carter is going to warrant Defensive Player of the Year consideration.

1089
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: And it's oller season. This concludes the list of points

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Speaker 1: that producer Jesse wanted me to make about Penn State

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00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: and how bright the future is there now. For the record,

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00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of all in on Penn State, but I

1093
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: did want to read that as more a prepared ransom

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00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: note statement than just my own unique thoughts. Also, I

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: think we should mention Oregon here. Recruiting is heavily woven

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00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: into any segment like this, and Oregon is recruiting as

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00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: well as anyone is on the West coast right now.

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: Line of scrimmage talent is what they need to continue

1099
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: to upgrade. I say continue because they're already doing it.

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: We've chronicled what they're bringing in on the defensive line

1101
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: via every acquisition method imaginable. Also, the offense or not

1102
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: of defense has to improve there. You know, we were

1103
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: talking about Brenton Vinibles when he came to Oklahoma and

1104
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: you said, if nothing else, defense will be better this year. Well,

1105
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: when Dan Lanning goes to Oregon, you think, well, if

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01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: nothing else, defense is going to be really good this year.

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01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: They weren't as good as I thought they'd be on

1108
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Now, what you don't know

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01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: is what they learned about themselves. And I'm not just

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01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: talking about what the coaching staff learned about their roster.

1111
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking about what the coaching staff learned about the

1112
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: coaching staff. So you never know. You know, year to

1113
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: year whether there may not be some moves or decisions

1114
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: or changes in philosophy, subtle changes that have a big impact.

1115
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: And it's a lot more than just did they get

1116
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: this player or that player. So I got Oregon, Penn State, LSU,

1117
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: Michigan and USC. Those are the programs that I would

1118
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: look at if you told me someone else is about

1119
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: to join the elite table in college football, That's where

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Speaker 1: i'd go. You know what time it is. Some might

1121
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: think it's time to end the show, but it's not

1122
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: quite yet. But I appreciate you guys being tuned in.

1123
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: Let me make sure I put a little message there

1124
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: in the chat. We're still not at a thousand likes.

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01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cry about it. Bold predictions in August accumulated,

1126
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: and we are recapping those bold predictions in January. And

1127
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot more fun this time of year. Because

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01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: I swing and miss all the time. That's not fun

1129
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: for me to talk about. But when you guys swing

1130
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 1: and miss charitably, it's fun for me to talk about.

1131
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at five or more of them tonight.

1132
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: This one was fun. This one was spirited. In the preseason,

1133
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: the Clemson Tigers said Adam will return to the top

1134
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: and reclaim the national championship from Anderson, South Carolina. Know

1135
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: this was look. I put a seven on this on

1136
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: the boldness scale, and the reason is because Clemson did

1137
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: have the fourth best odds to win the title in

1138
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: the preseason, they were at plus one thousand, and we

1139
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: also knew that they had a workable schedule. However, at

1140
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: no point in this season did this seem like a

1141
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: realistic possibility. And that's even after they started one, two, three, four, five,

1142
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: six seven eight. No, they started eight to oh. They

1143
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: were still playing some some leaky football. They beat Wake

1144
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: by six. That's a game that really could have gone

1145
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: either way. They won that game at Florida State, and

1146
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: they won against Syracuse, but then they got pasted by

1147
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And that's really I thought the exposure game.

1148
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: But even before that, quarterback play wasn't where it needed

1149
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: to be. So at no point did I feel like

1150
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: this prediction was ever going to hit. Also, they finished

1151
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: outside the top thirty in virtually every offense statistic that

1152
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: we care about. So as much as the preseason odds

1153
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: said that's not that bold, it ended up being pretty bold. Now,

1154
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: is anyone ready to make that prediction for this upcoming year?

1155
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: We'll see next up. I don't necessarily know how we

1156
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: were supposed to measure this one, but we'll give it

1157
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: a try. Anyway. James said, the SEC will not be

1158
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: viewed as the best conference in twenty twenty two, the

1159
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: Big Ten will rain. Now the Big Ten put two

1160
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: playoff teams in the four team college football Playoff. I

1161
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: still think James missed here. I still think the SEC

1162
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: was the best conference in college football this year, and

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01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: I could use either argument. To be honest with you.

1164
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people like to use bowl records, which

1165
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: I think is ludicrous because bowls are not equally seeded,

1166
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: so it doesn't really matter when the SEC five plays

1167
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: the ACCS two. We're not getting a heads up comparative

1168
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 1: analysis of conference strength. But having said that, I could

1169
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: just tell you that I thought top to bottom the

1170
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: SEC had more high caliber teams. But if you wanted

1171
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: to do the old bowl argument, I could tell you Georgia.

1172
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: We all know what they did, and Georgia completely and

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: totally annihilated TCU. They played for a conference championship. Alabama

1174
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: played a conference champion in the Sugar Bowl, annihilated them. Clemson,

1175
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: a conference champion, goes down to Tennessee. Perdue played in

1176
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: their conference championship game, and LSU did all sorts of

1177
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: unspeakable things to them. So I could even use the

1178
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: bowl protocol argument here. I think the SEC you could

1179
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: call it a little bit down if you wanted to.

1180
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: I still think the SEC they finished with what three

1181
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: of the top six programs in the country. But see,

1182
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: the Big Ten finished with three of the top seven.

1183
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: So the Big Ten was very good. I just think

1184
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: when you got past that first layer there and we

1185
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: were to compare the next layer, that's when it falls

1186
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's when you'd have a little issue.

1187
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: The Big Ten was a very good conference this year.

1188
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: The bigger question is how wide was the gap between

1189
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 1: two and three? That would be the question next up. Boy,

1190
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: this one's painful. Could be the Sarah McLaughlin Special of

1191
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: predictions here. The prediction from Anthony is pretty lengthy. I'm

1192
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: just gonna save you some time. Auburn wins nine games

1193
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Friends, if you add what Auburn

1194
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: wins this year with what who that was a big Hitcup,

1195
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: with what they won last year, yeah, I'll probably win

1196
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: nine games. This was not happening in twenty twenty two.

1197
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: So Auburn went five and seven pretty well documented. They

1198
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: beat Mercer, they beat San Jose State. I can't believe it,

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: but somehow they beat Missouri, they beat A and M

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01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: of course they beat a and M hoops didn't and

1201
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: they beat Western Kentucky, and outside of that, it was

1202
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of Bladder City, except that there's this

1203
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: weird stat You know, if I were to tell you

1204
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: Auburn had five games this year where they scored under

1205
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: twenty points, you would say, gross, well, there's five of

1206
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: the losses. Nope, two of those were wins. Two of

1207
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: those games they won and didn't even score twenty points.

1208
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: So it was a very weird season there. Of course,

1209
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: Brian Harson got fired and it was very very much

1210
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: a lost season. After that, there's not much more to

1211
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: say there. Auburn did not come close to winning nine games.

1212
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: Next up this one. Somehow, somehow, it still came close,

1213
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: which is the nature of the Big Ten. West. Ryan said,

1214
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: Iowa will make it back to the Big Ten championship

1215
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: despite the difficult difficult schedule is very relative here, but

1216
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: despite the difficult schedule. From College Station Texas, if you

1217
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: think that Auburn offense was bad, we had the Iowa

1218
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: hawkives to counter it. Iowa sees Auburn have five games

1219
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: where they score twenty year on and they say, watch this,

1220
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: and they have seven of them. They only played twelve

1221
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: regular season they had seven of them where they scored

1222
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: twenty points or less. Managed to score twenty one in

1223
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: the bowl game, they were the favorite. Even with all

1224
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: that ineptitude. Their division was so average. They were the

1225
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: favorite to go to the conference championship game entering the

1226
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: last week of the season, and then they lost to Nebraska,

1227
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: and then it was Perdue that ended up going. So

1228
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: the Big Ten West, your champion of the Big Ten West,

1229
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: was Perdue with a six and three conference record. They

1230
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: ended up eight and six on the season. That was

1231
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: your division champion. Last up here, this one I found interesting.

1232
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by it, but I thought it was

1233
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: extremely extremely bold. Mike said, the AAC will have three

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01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: teams undefeated going into the final week in October, and

1235
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: at least one will be in the top ten. This

1236
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: did not happen. In fact, they had zero undefeated teams

1237
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: going into that week. Tulane was seven and one, Sincy

1238
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: was six in one, UCF was five and two. At

1239
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: this point in the season, there were only six undefeated

1240
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: teams in the entire AP top twenty five, and there

1241
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: was no forget the AAC, there was no conference in

1242
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: America at that point that had three undefeated teams, so

1243
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: Mike was just set up for failure from the outset.

1244
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: I put a nine point five on that when that

1245
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: one was going to be really, really tough. Vintage AAC

1246
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: would have a hard time doing that. Okay, what did

1247
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: we mix in tonight? We mixed in some Fleetwood Mac.

1248
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: We got a healthy history lesson in Russell May. I

1249
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: used a pillow basketball to explain how officiating these could

1250
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: be overhalled in this country. And we did it all

1251
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: less than an hour and ten minutes. So I appreciate

1252
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: you guys a whole heck of a lot. We'll be

1253
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 1: back in like forty eight hours, cause why we do

1254
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: not take on a whole season on this show. So

1255
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: for producer Jesse, for director Colin, I'm Josh, babe, take care.

1256
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: We'll see a Thursday Night. Until then kind of us