WEBVTT - The Villainization of Black Women 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.240 That's what's up. Family. It's your girl to meek A D. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.960 Mallory and it's your boy my song in general, and we. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.960 Are your hosts of street politicians. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.120 The place where the streets and politics. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.079 Meet my song. How you doing, sir oh Man? 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.840 I had a long weekend, but I'm blessed and holly favorite, 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.000 you know, doing God's work as usual in yourself. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.120 I'm doing good, been with my granddaughter. It's been a 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:35.440 good holiday weekend. That ends my attempt at a month 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.760 long vacation. August is the month I tried two months 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.960 throughout the years, you know, I try August and I 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:48.559 try uh December, well, from Thanksgiving through Christmas or New 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.880 Year's I try to slow down as much as possible. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.680 So and I'm blessed to be able to do that 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.760 with all the other things that I do. But I 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.840 until freedom work. It just doesn't really allow that. We 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.960 talked about it last week. It's it's kind of hard 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.000 to really really really cut everything off. But I do 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.440 feel a little restored. I feel rested. I feel like 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.000 I enjoyed myself and I took. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.320 Some much needed time. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.200 And so now this weekend I got a chance to 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.959 spend with my granddaughter, who I love so very much. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.720 He's so sweet and so precious and so inquisitive and 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:31.039 so aggressive, and you know, it feels good. So now 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.360 it's time to get back to work. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.880 Yeah, I was. I was with my grandson yesterday. Man. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.000 We took my my sons to see him. We had 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.880 a little pool out in. So he is just he's 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.000 something else. He is a handful and he loves his daddy, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.120 so he's a daddy's boy. So that was dope, man. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.120 But yeah, man, it's been it's been definitely been a 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.600 long month. Unfortunately, you know, I don't really never have 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.560 the opportunity to completely break away. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.200 From things I've been. I was a soccer dad all weekend. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.720 Both of my sons, like y'all know, they both play soccer, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.120 so they were in the tournament for the holiday tournament. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.800 And those tournaments started eight. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.720 Nine in the morning and an hour a way, so 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.320 that means you got to get up at six six 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.600 thirty to get ready to get there by eight thirty because. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.040 You got to be there in advance for the game. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.280 So and they don't finish till like two in the afternoon, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.080 and then they end up the scalding heat. You know, 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.720 this is a hot weekend, so it's ninety degrees outside 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.679 and they both got two and three games back to back, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.400 so it was a long weekend, but you know, you 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:36.800 know it was. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:37.160 It was. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.440 It's always preasurable to watch your sons and watch your 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.040 offspring engage. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.920 In sports and do things that they like, so you know, 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.040 I can't complain. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:47.520 Well, that's good. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.800 You know, I feel like I did that and I 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.520 know all about it. And it's funny because in the 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:58.880 summer it's really really hot out there. My child played football, 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.920 But in the like when it starts getting cooler, then 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.200 it's freezing, and you still got to be out there. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.040 And it doesn't matter if you went out the night before, 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.519 you still got to show up. You still got to 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.720 have their stuff washed, prepared. It's no joke. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.679 You really have to be ready to have children. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.040 And I and I and you know, I think about 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.480 so many people out here who we've heard stories recently. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.120 And I know there've always been people to kill their 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.240 kids or to do horrible, horrific things to their children, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.360 but now that you know, but it's maybe because it's 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.720 online more, I don't know what it is. And maybe 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:44.320 it's pre cod I mean post COVID, the pandemic. But people, really, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.280 some people just don't need kids. They really don't because 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.480 all that stuff that you're talking about. While to you 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.840 it's not it comes natural. When I had to do it, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.440 I wouldn't say it came natural because I was much younger, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.840 but I still did it, and I had a lot 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.560 of support from my family. My partner at the time 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.440 was the coach, so we had a lot of support. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.040 But if there's somebody out there, a mother or a 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.160 father who is trying to do most of it alone, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:15.520 it is no joke, no joke. And people mentally, they're 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:20.200 not all able to handle the responsibility of working and 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.200 trying to keep. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.360 Your kids in activities. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.560 God forbid, your child has some type of disability or 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.240 some type of issue, and you're trying to keep up 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.400 with the programs and this and that and the third 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.560 and cook food and blah blah blah. It's enough to 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.760 make people lose their minds. And you know, it's just 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.960 very very what's the word that I'm looking for. I 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.360 don't want to say dangerous, but it can be. It 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.400 can be dangerous for people to try to raise children 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:53.880 in this society where things are so expensive and sports 0:04:54.000 --> 0:05:01.440 for kids is like sports, like real professional sports. So 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.640 it's a lot. I mean, bless y'all heart because they're 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.279 still young. And you know, here comes a little girl. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.800 Just looking at my granddaughter as she is growing, she 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.400 has been when I say she's aggressive. If she wants something, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.279 she's going to do everything you put it, tell a no, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.680 put it down. She'll go around the other way, she'll 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.320 slide backwards, she's going to figure out how to get 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:27.400 that cup of that thing. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.960 And when you tired, you like damn. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.040 So you know, And of course that doesn't mean I'm 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.360 saying I see how or that it's an excuse for people, 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.000 But I just know everybody doesn't need kids. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:39.799 I agree one hundred percent. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.159 That's why I always say that you can't force somebody 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.039 to have a kid that's definitely not ready to have 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.400 a kid, because you're doing more harm for. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.520 The kid in that individual than anything. So I'm all 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:52.320 on board with that. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.719 No, really, So let's get into our topics because today 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.680 we have a good guess and they're going to be 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.920 coming on shortly, and so I want to make sure 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.600 that we do talk about our topics, because we've also 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.400 got some things that need to be you know, covered, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.600 and one of the things that is speaking of children 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.880 and how everybody does need children and it takes a 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.479 village to raise each child. This year, and I think 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.800 this is the second year that the NYPD, the New 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:26.960 York Police Department, did something around cease fires that I 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.400 think is really really important, needs to probably go a 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.880 step further. But we'll talk about why I say that 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.800 in a moment. But they went to the homes of 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.679 or and not all not all of it was home visits, 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.479 but they found got in touch with communicated with whether 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.359 it be home visits or you know, seeing them in 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.880 the street. At least forty gang members or people that 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.560 they have they have that they considered being gangs. Because 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.839 I don't know these all of these folks, so maybe 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.599 they they would say they're not in the gang at all, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.200 but they are people who have been identified as shooters 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.320 or problematic or in problems or maybe you know, somebody 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.560 in the community knows about some issues that they may 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.280 have had or beefs that they're in. And they went 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.120 to found these people and asked them to have a 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.960 cease fire over labor Day weekend, and it seems that 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.240 shootings were down. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:27.840 And hopefully this is a part of it. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.080 It's not one thing, and that's what I always say 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.560 that it's not one thing. It's not just that they 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.600 went to find these folks and that the NYPD. But 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.360 then you also have the crisis management system under the 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.680 you know, the the direct I don't even want to 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.920 say supervision because you know, people don't really like when 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.480 you use that terminology. There's a lot of leaders, but 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:57.840 our brother at Mitchell as the czar for Anti violence 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.480 in the City of New York, and you know, and 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.800 the the whole crew that's been working alongside the Mayor's 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.680 office to try to reduce violence. So you have that 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.760 going on during Juve, which is the parade that happens 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.080 every Labor Day in Brooklyn. And then of course you 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.640 just have lots of community organizations doing work. So when 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.240 you put all of that together, it's a real good 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:25.320 gumbo that helps to address violence and going out actually. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.000 Communicating with people. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.480 First of all, there are people who might be super 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.320 problematic that when they got either knock at the door 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.880 or a conversation on the sidewalk. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.439 Or a text message or you know. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.640 Whatever that actually may have made them feel like, damn, 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.000 somebody actually sees me. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.200 You never know to come to me. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.760 And put the kind of responsibility in my lap to 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.720 help the city be safe so that children and families 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.800 can be outside and enjoy the weekend without there being 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:01.360 violent incidents that make people uncomfortable and unable to come outside. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.080 So I think it was a good initiative. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.920 It is a good initiative, but it also scares you. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.959 Right when you've been identified, you on the list as 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.120 a shooter, and somebody that potentially out there shooting, It's like, yo, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.880 oh shit, they know my name, They not through my door, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.240 you know what I'm saying. I gotta calm down. I 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.599 need to rethink this because I ain't trying to go 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:21.000 to jail. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:21.280 You know. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.839 If I'm on If I'm in the police station and 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.560 my name came up and they knock on this door, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.480 it ain't really too much good things. It's either somebody's 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.160 looking for me. I'm involved in some shit, or I've 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.920 been at somebody that they probably are watching all the time. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.719 So it's it's basically a heads up that you got 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:38.679 to straighten your shit up. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:38.960 Man. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.120 Yeah, absolutely one hundred percent. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:43.439 It is. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.679 It is definitely a sign that you better get your 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.280 shit together, because it's like a branch with many leads, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.280 because one side is like, hey, we're coming to you 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.800 with the responsibility hoping that you'll respect us as we 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.679 are respecting you. We're all so acknowledging that you think 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.280 you some kind of like whatever whatever, you think you 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.640 are a boss or whatever in the community, which is 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.600 some bullshit, but nonetheless that's what you think. So we 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.680 also coming to you in that respect. But finally, we're 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.840 on your ass, we're on your heels, and we know 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.520 who you are. We know your name, we know where 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.680 you're from, we know the shit that's going on, we 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.240 know exactly about you and Ray Ray's situation, we know 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.240 all these things that's going on, and so we're here. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.200 You know we're coming to you, and that is that's 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.600 also another part of it. The further piece though that 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:39.440 I said is kind of like missing, or maybe it's not. Well, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.040 it is missing because when I think about what's happening 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.080 in the city of Newark with Mayor ros Baraka, and 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.840 we were talking about this the other day, that they 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.840 are actually they're employed, they are off the street and 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.600 into jobs, they're into programs. There's money going into their 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.520 pocket their family based upon on them doing work around 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.040 violence prevention. So I feel like if you can find 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:11.400 these forty to fifty people, then you should probably employed 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.640 find them and make sure that they have money in 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.040 their body exactly. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.679 Give them, give them incentives to do something different. I 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.440 totally agree. I tell you all the time, crime and 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.160 violence is incentivized in our community, right, so if we 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.600 want something else, then we got to incentivize that as well. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.719 You can't make people think they're going we can get 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.880 paid for doing negativity, and they can't be compensated and 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.280 paid for doing something positive. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.080 You know, absolutely, it's not appealing. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.360 Nobody wants to be broke, so they're gonna figure out, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:40.760 all right, I can get some money doing this. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:42.640 I can get some money do it. That's what I'm 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:43.240 gonna do. Now. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.760 If you show them, look you, if you take the 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:50.400 time out to be a you know, a piece intervening 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.120 a violence interrupted in these communities, if you utilize that 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.720 same power that you have to do something good to 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.000 save lives that put them in jeopardy, We're gonna pay 0:11:59.040 --> 0:11:59.360 you for that. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.079 I can give you some skills train them to get power. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.839 People want power, they want position. You know a lot 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.480 of these people, that's what they want. They want to 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.400 be known. So if they can be famous and not 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.200 infamous and it can benefit them and they ain't gonna. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.160 Whisk their freedom or risk they life, why wouldn't they 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.320 do it? Yeah? 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.880 I think that's the that's the bigger part. And then 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.280 it's like, it's so many things. Let's move on to 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:24.959 the next topic because if we want to get the 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:30.680 guests on and not hold her, and it brings up 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.920 this next thing about this woman who was hit five brick. Now, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.640 big thing for me around this whole month two months 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.400 a year, right, two months a year, eight. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.480 Weeks of fifty two weeks. It's fifty two weeks in 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.840 a year. Yeah, fifty two. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.160 Weeks for eight I'm on thirty percent work, right, So 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.839 I try my best, Like I literally go out of 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.400 my way to be like, I'm not watching that, I'm 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:56.160 not listening to it. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:56.840 I can't. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.520 There are so many leaders out here that jumping on 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.319 many different issues. You always dealing with stuff and I 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:07.480 don't know what's going on. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.280 I have no idea. So now we see I saw 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.640 that on your page, a woman was hitting the. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.880 Face and I learned about it, like I don't know, 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.400 I learned about it actually just kind of like over 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:21.719 the weekend, I learned. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.880 About it, and so I don't know what happened. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.480 But the next thing I know, I saw on your 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.520 page that people were saying that she did a skit 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:30.800 in a thing and now this is. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.439 Fake or something. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.280 So I don't know if she was in the hospital 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.280 with a fake Gallant helped me understand what pappened. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.920 The reality of the situation is a young lady was 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.560 obviously walking through the neighborhood coming from somewhere. I don't 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.079 know all the details of why she was in the neighborhood, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.240 and according to her, you know, a guy asked her 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.960 for a number and she told him no, and based 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.719 on that he made the gud ray. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.960 He picked up a brick, put it to a face, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:01.480 then hit her on the face with the break. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.559 What's most disturbing about the situation, it's not just the 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.720 fact that this one guy hit her with a break, 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.720 but there were multiple guys happened to be black guys. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.360 I think they might have been in Haitian, but they 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.160 were black. Regardless of what they were around and they 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.120 watched this happen, you know. And then after it happened, 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.320 she goes on her video to show her face which 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.160 is sticking out like this, and she's saying that, you know, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.400 a guy hit on the face and these black men 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:29.440 sit around it do nothing. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.560 And you hear in the background one of the guy, 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.880 who has you know, a. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.600 West Indian accent, saying, what we supposed to do, what 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.160 we're supposed to do with what you want us to do? 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.160 And that bothered me, you know, just the fact that 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.400 it happened, and then hearing these men say, what did 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.160 you want you to do? I would want you to 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.920 try to stop somebody, a woman from being hit. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.280 In the face with a break, right. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.320 I would think that would be your innate nature. I 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.480 would think that would be the common sense thing for 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.640 you to do. I think that would be the more 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.040 raw thing for. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:02.440 You to do. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.520 But his response in that situation, and just seeing some 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.880 of the responses online was just it was just terrible. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.360 So then after, you know, I posted the video of 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.640 her and then posted you know, the video of her. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.000 First the video was of her in the hospital explain, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.840 and then they showed the video of the guys actually 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.200 saying this. So I post both of those videos just 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.400 just you know, just expressing my concern and my dismay 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.240 and disappointment. And the fact that men stood around and 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.400 watched another man hit a woman in the face of 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.880 the brick. He could have literally killed them, right, And 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.080 the fact that people think that having any level of 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.640 intervention in that is wrong or I don't know what's 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.920 going on. I don't need to know what's going wrong 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.400 on to know that a woman should be getting faced 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.440 in the brick. I don't have to know all the details. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.680 She could have said the worst shit was, she could 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.040 have stole money from you. But I want to protect 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.160 both of y'all because I don't want you to kill 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.160 her and do the rest your life in jail, and 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.840 I don't want her to die. So me intervening is 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.920 not purely just because I'm protecting somebody. I know, because 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.240 it's the right thing to do. What happened is the 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:11.920 right thing to do. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:12.480 Is like them. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.120 If I see a little kid running and I see 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.320 somebody hitting him, the kid might have spit on you, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.760 might have stole something for you. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.720 If I see somebody about to swing a bat at 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:21.440 a little kid. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.160 I'm an intervene. I'm gonna say, yo, don't hit the 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:25.360 kid with a bat. Let me talk to you. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.560 I don't have to be It's not about being tough. 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.000 It's about just having any level of courage, just anything 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.880 in her something like how how do men sit around 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.040 and watching women get violently beat with a brick and 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:41.760 say that it's okay. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.000 So then after that, what starts to surface online is 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:46.520 this video. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.080 Right, there's a video of her hitting a white man, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.520 saying something to him. I don't know exact word. She 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.920 says something to him, she smacks him, she walks off, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.160 and then as she walks off, she twirks, Now, if 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.960 anybody watched this video more three times, you can tell 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.239 us a skit. It's not rocket science. The white man 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.359 is standing there, she smacks him. He goes like this, 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.159 She walks off, not even looking at him. She's not 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.200 fearing that he's gonna retaliate, because if you smack somebody 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.840 in the face in the street in an argument, you 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.760 know there's retaliation coming. You know, she smacked him, didn't 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.359 even look at the man. It was a light little tap. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.000 She walks off like he ain't even there. He knows 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.280 that he doesn't look at her, he looks the other way. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.560 She goes about five steps and starts twirking. The video 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.480 goes off right, So anybody who's paying attention to that, nos, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:36.160 it's not real. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:36.840 But the. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.160 People who want to discredit this woman's claim, the people 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.200 who want to make it seem like it's justified that 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.760 she was hit with a brick, found this video. They 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.000 also found a video of her saying that how she 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.800 I think she made she's part of the LGBTQ. I 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.680 don't know exactly what position she is, but she was 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.679 saying that, you know, I'm black. Women control everything. They 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.639 they provide and they and protect right, get you a 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.560 black woman, because that's what I'm gonna do. You know, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.280 black men ain't the ones out here really protecting us 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.879 this and that. And people were angry about that the 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.680 comments she made. But I say to myself, this situation 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.800 proves the comments she made it's not It wasn't based 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.320 off some shit that she just didn't know. When when 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.760 you watching your when you can when you can walk 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:24.920 in the street and get hit in the face of 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.120 the brick and a bunch of black men sit around 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.040 and do nothing, to ask you what they were supposed 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.440 to do. Then what her statement is one hundred percent truth, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.600 and I can't be mad at her for feeling the 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:35.440 way that she felt. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.240 I can't even be mad at that statement. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.639 But even if you all mad at that statement, it 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.120 does not justify a weak assed man hitting a woman 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:44.760 in the face of the brick. So they try to 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.880 use all of those things to justify and I debunked 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.040 those things and came up with the fact that everybody 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.239 knows that that was a skit that came up right. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.000 And then what happened after that. One of the guys 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.639 a quote unquote allegedly I don't know if he actually 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.119 was there when he went online saying that he was 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.440 there and that he's seeing what happen. And the lady 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:10.480 was looking for trouble, and she she she said some 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.080 things to the God that was rude, and she did 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.760 him the hit with a brick, so you know, she 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.560 got what she was looking for. And if he could 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.360 do it again, he still wouldn't protect And I thought 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:22.920 that was just the worst shit in the world. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:23.159 To me. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.880 I just didn't understand how a man can say because 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.560 words came out of a woman's mouth that you didn't 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.879 like that you was okay with her being hit in 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:33.760 the face with a brick. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:35.760 I just don't understand it. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.840 The mind state that we have, you know, especially and 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.679 people getting mad old you're trying to put it all 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:41.240 is on own. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:42.640 No, I take it on me too. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.359 It ain't about I'm not saying y'all black man, No, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.199 it's me because if we do it something wrong as 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.879 a society, if we're not calling out individuals that do 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.480 shit like that, if we're not dealing with them on 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.199 our own, if we not have some level of standing 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.000 for manhood in our community, that certain shit is just 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.600 not okay, and then it's our fault because we empower 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.480 people like that when a man can walk like that, 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.040 hit the face of the lady in the face of 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.439 the break, and jump in his car and leave without 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.640 anybody saying or doing anything to stop him or deter 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:13.800 him or say, yeah, that shit ain't even right. Even 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.920 if you was, even if you were scared to death, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.399 you not even saying, man, that's messed up. Man, come on, 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.240 don't hit that lady like that. I don't want no problems, 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.400 but come on, don't don't hit no lady with a break. 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.840 The fact that you couldn't even muster that up is 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.280 because you normalize it and you think it's okay. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.040 So if black men in our community think that, then 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:33.600 we are all feeling and. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.159 We owe black women in apology because the fact that 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.439 they don't feel safe. And I'm going through my comments 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.520 with so many people say, oh, she deserves that. You 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.040 see this video and the fact that people look for 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.639 that stupid ass video to try to justify it. And 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.600 it only took me ten seconds to realize it was scared. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.560 And but that's when you when you actually are intentional 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.000 and you want to make sure that what you're saying 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.240 is correct, when you want when you when you want 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.440 to not discredit somebody, when you're not trying to look 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.359 forward Q to justify a woman getting beat in the face. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:03.000 You know. 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.119 So it was, It's just a whole situation, and it 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.520 really disappointed me. Man I felt sorry for the woman. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.280 You know, she was crying her face like she had 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.600 a big, big swollen face. Some people try to say 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.119 it's made up, it's just like your damn And you 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:22.639 know it brought me to Meghan, you know, it made me. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.040 It reminded me of Megan, and that's that kind of 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:27.960 hurt me. It's like, damn, we're going through this shit again. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.440 A woman was shot, one woman here with a break 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:34.160 and we still we make them, you know, the people. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:35.000 That's the problem. 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:39.640 We villainized. We villainized the victim. And that is crazy 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.119 to me. It is so crazy to me that you 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.000 know that. And the man said, yeah, he hit in 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.000 the face with the brick, but she was looking for trouble. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.440 What is looking for trouble? Me? What exactly does that entail? 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.480 You said some words. As a man, we not strong 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.520 enough to hear a woman, a stranger that we don't know, 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.240 say some words we don't like and walk away, go 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.760 the other way, like whatever. Even if you yelled at her, 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:04.399 even if you was mad and you cursed. 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.240 I can deal with cursing more than I could deal 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.760 with a man feeling that he is justified in hitting 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.680 the woman in the face of the brick for words 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.600 that she said come out of my mouth. So you know, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.920 it's I've been it's really been a tough day for 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.000 me just ever since. I really because it was my DMS. 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.040 You know, we were at our fabulous sisters son's wedding 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.879 you know, so all those deals I didn't get. But 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.880 you know, when I actually got a chance to look 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.120 at it, it was like I couldn't believe that shit 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.320 actually happened. I felt so bad. I'm like, damn, how 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:43.159 how have we moved this far away from consciousness as man? 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:47.800 How we moved this far away from our natural order? 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.320 Our natural order is supposed to be provided and protect 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.480 How do we how do we just negate to protect parts? 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:56.560 You know? And it's it's it's it hurts. 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:58.480 I don't have anything to say. 0:22:59.040 --> 0:22:59.879 It is what it is. 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:01.359 I already know what it is. 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.719 When once I see I didn't know all of these details, 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.200 and once you stayed apart, once you said that she 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.439 made statements about the men not protecting women and all 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:10.639 of that. 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.439 As soon as you said that, then I'm like, oh, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:13.720 I see exactly what it is. 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:18.200 So that's that's the reason why it's okay that she 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:19.919 was hitting the face with a brick for a lot 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:26.480 of people, because that that statement makes people feel for me. 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.000 You didn't know about the statement when she got in 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:30.720 the face with the brook. 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.760 Yeah, but you know, it's just we don't have time. 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.680 We don't have time now to unpack it more and 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.760 get deeper into it. But we've done it many times 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.919 on this show, and it just continues to show itself. 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.400 And so hopefully there are some who see it and understand, 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.359 and then there are some people who will never see it. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.359 They'll never understand. That's just it for me. 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.959 This other conversation that we've been engaged in all weekend, 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.400 and it's very similar in that, you know, the conversation 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:08.400 around love and hip hop and Rika Menna calling Spice 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:09.639 a monkey. 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:22.520 You want to mention my you should have died. 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:25.520 Monkey. 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:31.320 You know, I've already made a million statements about how 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:31.840 I feel. 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:32.520 You know. 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:36.400 One of the questions that was asked of me directly, 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:40.880 and it has been many other people. Shabaz asked me directly, 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.800 but other people have asked me, do I draw the 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.320 line at racism? And I wrote the whole thing about 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.800 you know about that, And I want to make sure 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.560 for the purpose of our conversation today. 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:56.359 That we. 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:03.040 State some things right, because I see so many narratives 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.400 popping up on the Internet. First of all, I want 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.000 to say that I have not said, nor do would 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:18.359 I ever say, that Erika Menna is racist, because we 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.439 know that the terminology. 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:25.159 Racism or a person being racist. 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:33.720 Means that they have some power to impact effect change 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.960 the lives of people of color or black folks or 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:43.560 other marginalized groups, and that they have the power to 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:48.119 oppress a group of individuals. And I don't believe that 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:53.119 the Latino community for the most part, While there are 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.960 some people within the Latino community who consider themselves to 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:04.520 be white adjacent, but they still are participating in white 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:10.240 supremacy and peddling racist narratives and comments. 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.560 But it does not mean that I would say that 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.040 they are racist, So we have to be clear about that. 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.840 I think that the comment that she made is a 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:26.440 racial slur, and that is different from saying somebody is racist. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.920 I don't know her well enough to make that determination 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.359 and to say that about her. 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.160 By the way, Also. 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:39.320 What I read in the statement that was put out 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.680 by Love and Hip Hop is not that she was fired. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.720 It looks like a suspension because they say in the 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:52.760 statement next season they could easily say that she is 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.879 no longer with the Love and Hip Hop franchise. They 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.359 could have said that. So I did not see it 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:04.040 saying that she was fired or her contract has been terminated, 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.680 and she would not be the only person on these 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:14.600 reality shows who have faced in the past suspensions. Even Portia, 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:21.280 who is our sister, was suspended for fighting on house Yes, 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:22.760 she's on Housewives of Atlanta. 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.440 So people do get suspended. 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:29.080 There are they have periods where there's breaks or whatever 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.400 as different issues are being worked through. 0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:33.600 So that's the other thing. 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.600 The third thing, this is just my pieces, right, is 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.200 that I have not said, nor would I have probably 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.200 ever been advocating. 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.800 For Rika Minna to be canceled. 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:48.240 Right. 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.080 What I have been talking about is that there must 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:52.520 be an. 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:59.640 Understanding of the use of racial slurs and how those 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:01.960 things should never be on the table. 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:05.200 People say, well, her child shouldn't. That's fine. 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:10.119 You can argue all day that the insults of saying 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:14.280 something about a person's child, the insult of talking about 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.240 people dirty, stink, funky, whatever you want to say, those 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:22.200 are insults. They shouldn't be happening. It's out of line. 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:23.080 It's all of that. 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:28.920 But racial slurs absolutely go into a different area. If 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.480 you are a child and you're in the school and 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.480 you always playing around and moving around and doing whatever, 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:41.120 and you constantly getting in trouble because you won't sit still. 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.520 That's one thing, and that in and of itself might 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.840 have you going to the principal's office. 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.560 There may be issues, but if you get. 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.760 Caught cheating on a test, that raises the level, and 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:59.040 now there's such thing as suspension and or even being 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.360 expelled from this school. So people need to stop acting 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:07.040 like there are not levels to life. Can you can 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.800 maybe take a piece of candy from the store and 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.520 get in trouble for it, Maybe you go down to 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.200 the courthouse because you get caught for stealing. But if 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.680 you rob a bank, your ass is gonna probably get 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:24.120 a felony conviction and serve lots of time. There's levels 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.760 to everything in life. So you could say that the 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.000 stealing of the candy in the store was wrong, and 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.680 it might get you a little misdemeanor, or you might 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.640 go downtown and the judge might say, slap on the wrist, 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.880 don't ever do it again. But if you get caught 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.640 doing a bank heist, there's a whole different set of 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.280 consequences associated with that. 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:49.520 Consequences increase immensely absolutely. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:53.520 And so therefore folks need to stop playing the we 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.960 don't oh, you know, it's all the same. 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.720 It is not all the same. And what is sad. 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:04.360 What is sad to me is that the conversation around. 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:10.440 First of all, what is very noticeable of black people 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.840 who are speaking on this topic is the lack of 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.360 knowledge that people have about our history. 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:18.320 You can see it. 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.120 You can see it in the responses from different people 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.480 in different areas, Folks who are supposed to be, you know, 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.440 people who are entertainers or people who have public profiles. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.600 You can hear literally their lack of understanding of our 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:36.280 history just based upon the ignorance of what they are 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:41.640 even saying. Right, Because and I'm going to finish this 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.160 here because we have to go and come back and 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.320 complete these conversations a little bit later. 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:49.080 But I would say this. 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.160 One of the things that I appreciate when we talk 0:30:54.240 --> 0:31:00.520 about going to that Palestinian wedding, right, Linda's son had 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:05.480 an incredible, incredible wedding, and which we do too. So 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.880 I'm not trying to say black folks don't we have history. 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.080 We got culture, we got all of that. But it 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.320 was a beautiful wedding. And I would actually drop this 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:22.880 in as my thought of the day today, watching the 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.160 family come together in the way in which they did 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.840 for that Palestinian wedding. One of the things that I 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:39.840 appreciate is that they passed down their culture and their 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.840 history from generation to generation. 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:44.200 Right. 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:49.400 I think about some of our brothers and sisters in 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:53.400 the African community, Africans who are either here in the 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.520 US now or when we went to Africa, and we know, 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:03.240 we saw how you could go into any facility, you 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.000 could be walking around the streets, and the Africans can 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:12.120 tell you the story down to the children of their history, 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.840 what has happened to them, what took place there in Africa. 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.080 Same thing with the Haitian community. When I was in Haiti, 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:25.200 I was talking to young kids ten and twelve years 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.440 old while we were out on tours, just a part 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:29.600 of their education. 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:33.400 And I get it. I get it, my son, that 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:35.680 a part of the. 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.640 Effects of white supremacy and enslavement and all of that 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.320 is that they cut us off of my history. 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:44.720 And that's why they are. 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:48.640 Trying to ban it in schools even still today, because 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:49.960 they don't want us to know. 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:54.320 Because if we understood our history, if we truly. 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.760 Understood all that has happened to us where we are 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.320 today is it doesn't mean we have to live and 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:04.840 soak in it. But understanding it means that we will 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:11.560 never be okay with somebody using a racial slur against us. 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.520 Will never be okay with it, because I promise you 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:19.880 you cannot sit on a show and get into an 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:27.520 argument with a Jewish individual and then say, oh, you kite. 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:32.720 You can't do that, because once you do whatever else 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.040 y'all was dealing with, the level has now kicked up. 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.240 And the difference between other communities and our community is that, 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.080 for the most part, for the most part, they. 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:50.400 Are going to have a group of individuals within their 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.440 community that will organize. 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:53.600 Against you. 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:59.720 And the rest the others probably won't say much unless 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.480 they think and injustice is truly being done. 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:08.960 So we have we have been so disconnected from who 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:09.359 we are. 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:14.160 We've been so we've been taught to actually ignore that 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.000 as a form of achievement and success, so much so 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:24.160 that we lend ourselves to the negative and disrespectful narratives 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.320 about us. And it is very, very, very dangerous. We 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.360 come back, we can talk about I mean, you should 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.279 definitely respond now, but we come back, we should talk 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.040 about the whole love and hip hop brand, because that 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.840 has been a big topic of conversation, and I have 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.719 much to say about that well, based on. 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:43.640 What you said. 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.279 You know, I think you hit everything on the head. 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.480 You know, I think I went online and I just 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.959 wanted to make it clear that calling a black person 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.200 a monkey is definitely a racial slurt. 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.200 It's not okay. You know, it's historic. 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.279 You know, there's things and it's even historic in our 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.600 communities as of now, it doesn't even it doesn't even 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.640 all the way go back to you know, slavery in 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:13.120 white supremacy. It dates in our communities now. It's it's 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.320 between blacks and Hispanics. Those are those are one of 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:21.839 the main racial slurs used by Hispanics who who when 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:27.319 they're angry with you, Latin I apologize. It is one 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:33.520 of the main slurs that I personally encountered, those slurs, 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.279 and and those are things that is known within our communities. 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.239 You know, we know that we know blacks and Hispanics 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:44.760 know Latinos. Blacks and Latinos know what the other words 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.319 the words that you don't use, you know, like they say, oh, 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.800 you let the people use nigga this, and I get it. 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:55.200 But in our communities, since we grew up so comfortably. 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.560 The fact that blacks utilize that as a determinent, then 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.440 man utilize it in the thea you know, daily ebonics 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.279 every day and they and the best friends are Latinos 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.280 and naturally comes out we call each other, un my nigga, 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:09.880 that's my nigga. 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:10.800 We utilize that. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.719 Maybe it's not the right thing, but we have identified 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.320 that this is a comfortable space for us in our communities. 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:18.800 There are a lot of people who don't think is 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.120 it and they and they have the right to believe that. 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:26.279 But absolutely nowhere in our community is it okay for 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.839 a Latino to call a black person a monkey. I've 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.640 seen whole wars started, family wars started. My mother went 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.800 down and with the lady's ass in the store and 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.160 a bodega for calling me and my sister monkey. 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.280 I didn't even know what the word monkey was in Spanish. 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.040 I learned it because they called They said it to 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.040 me a few times. 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:46.239 I used to go there and they used to laugh 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.360 at us, to say little monomono, and I was like, 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:50.359 what the fuck does that mean? 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:51.040 You know? 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.160 And somebody told me and I went to my mother 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.880 that they called me a monkey, and then it became 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.160 a little thing. Whenever it would be like a problem 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:03.920 somebody had said, under they they're voice, they're screaming, so 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.080 we know there's. 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:09.200 An ast you understand, And I just want to insert 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.919 in that what I hear you saying is that which 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.600 you know Again, we can argue that, oh you don't 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:17.760 want to do the the use of the word the worst. 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.520 The use of the word nigga is problematic for xby 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:25.439 Z reason. But the thing is the word nigga when 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.160 saying it, because they try to say, well, fat Joe 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:29.840 says it, and this and that and the third and 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.000 you know whatever, and he's an artist and he's Latino, 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:34.360 and that was a whole big topic. 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.040 That term can be used, or has been used, and 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:39.200 is often. 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.960 Used while people are laughing and joking and talking and 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:45.240 being together and like you said, in some ways endearment. 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.280 Although I don't. 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.320 Agree with that terminology because I try to stay away 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.799 from using that term to talk about us as well. 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:54.840 But people are laughing. 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.879 Never ever, in the history of ever, when you, as 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:03.440 a person said monkey in a good way, it's never 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:03.960 been done. 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:05.960 Is used in discourse. 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.240 It's derogatory exactly. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:13.719 It's used during negative discourse to be derogatory. It's never 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.520 a term of endearment, you know, So we understand that. 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.600 So when people try to, you know, conflate the two things, 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.880 it doesn't add up, you know. And furthermore, you know, 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.560 the disappointment that I have in just our people, you know, 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.399 I was, I was listening to Jess hilarious and her 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.480 actually trying to justify it, and the statement that she 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:40.760 made was, you know, I don't think a recommended is racist. 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.359 Nobody says she was racist, but we said she used 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:47.040 a racial slur. And she said, well, if she called 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.120 Spice a monkey, maybe she looks like a monkey to her. 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.000 And I thought that coming from another black woman, dark 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.320 skinned black woman who I've known has heard things about 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.839 her skin color and have probably been called types of names, 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.120 I thought that was so crazy to me that you've 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:11.120 embraced a level of racist connotation and you've taken on that, 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.040 and you think we should all take on it because 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.800 you've embraced it, that you've you've embraced the level of 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.800 actually what it's called self hate, that you push it 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.239 on to somebody else, and that shit is me And 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.640 it's so hard for us because we can't even stay 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.680 on cold. There will never be white people that come 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.719 out and justify you calling them a name that's derogatory. 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.719 Like you said, There'll never be Jewish people that come 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:39.000 out and justify a slur that's used against them and anybody. 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.240 They just not against anybody else. They'll mind the business. 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:43.920 They might talk to you as a friend and say, yeah, 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.440 I understand what you're saying, but you know that you 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:48.239 probably shouldn't have used that terminology. 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:48.759 And I love you. 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.080 You know, we don't even have the wherewithal to understand 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.239 that that's what we're on. Ever, commen, it could be 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.600 a close friend. If she was my close friend, I'm 0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:57.640 an pull it to the side of sad. 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:57.879 Baby. 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.279 I know you probably was mad, but you can't cano 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.840 black women, no monkey, not no dogskin black women that. 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:05.960 We that ain't gonna work out. You just it just 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:06.680 don't work out. 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.000 Well, that did happen, and that did happen. That did 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.359 That's what I'm saying that I'm talking about. 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.000 I'm saying just hilarious. I'm not saying I don't know 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.440 if just hilarious did. I know? We we we we 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.880 under the exactly we're under the. 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.239 Understanding that there were other people who came to her 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.040 and in that in that fashion like, yo, I love 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:28.880 you and everything, but you there's a history of that. 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.480 You can't use that and whatever. 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.239 Her response was actually led to where we are now. 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.520 What I'm saying is the fact that we are allowing 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.960 people to make us feel like racial slurs and disrespect 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.480 to us. It's something that we should just take and 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.200 just move on from, and we're embracing it. It's self 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.480 hate to me, and it really I would say this, 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:54.520 I don't know that. 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.280 I guess when I hear you using the word embrace 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:03.200 and I understand what you're saying, I don't I think 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.120 that Jess would push back and say I'm not embracing anything. 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:10.280 I'm just saying that it's not as serious as people 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:11.160 are making it. 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:16.120 And that if you confinduf as serious that a whole 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.040 culture finds serious, that means you in some way not a. 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.320 Whole See, that's the thing we have to be careful 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.520 about absolute Because a whole culture doesn't. 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.839 Find it means the majority of the culture. 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.880 Right, Okay, major of the culture didn't do it, then 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.360 we wouldn't be here in this situation. 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.480 It was saying, and I don't. I don't disagree. Let 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.960 me just finish my point so we can get into 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:39.600 our guests. 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.800 What I'm saying is, I don't think that Jess probably 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:45.360 feels like she's embracing it. 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.440 I think that what she's trying to. 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.480 Say is that people like she she she doesn't believe 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.840 that this young lady is racist, and therefore because of. 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.000 That, we shouldn't be making it this big thing. It 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.400 might just be a statement that she made that's on 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.719 the fly. Here's what I want to say about that. 0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.880 That's our problem is that too much shit just happens 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:14.080 on the fly with us. We're too okay with too 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:18.280 much of the things that go on, and as a result, 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:23.600 and as a result, we're being murdered, not just by 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.960 the police, but by our own people within our communities, 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.120 Domestic violences out of control. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.920 We some of us can't get opportunities, jobs, bank loans. 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:40.719 We're being mistreated because when we start saying things like, well, 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.440 I don't you know, I don't think that that's serious, 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:44.960 and maybe this and that and the third I'm not 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.160 just talking about Jesse, talking about all these people in general. 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:51.120 Folks don't think we take ourselves seriously that's. 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:51.399 What I'm saying. 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:55.200 Normal we're normalizing and we are we are okay, and 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:56.280 that ain't okay. 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.880 Yeah, so let's pause there and bring our guests in. 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:06.279 And we kept saying over and over again that we 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:10.720 were going to invite the great Megan Kunniff to come 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:15.320 and be a part of our show, and we and 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.719 and every time new things happened, so we said, we 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.719 gotta wait, we gotta wait, we gotta wait, because we 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:25.080 wanted to really have a good, deep, expansive conversation with 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.279 you about. 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:31.320 All the things. And I think the main thing for 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.960 us is that we're like, Okay, she's a journalist that we. 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.239 Didn't know until now, but there must be more to 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.120 her than just Tory Lanez and Meg the Stallion, and 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.359 so absolutely we wanted to bring you on to talk 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:45.160 about that today. 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:46.000 Thank you so much. 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:50.440 Meghan cunith is joining Street Politicians today and we are 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.920 so appreciative of having you as our guests. 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.200 Thank you so much. 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.120 So how are you today, Megan? 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:57.719 I'm doing good. 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.440 It's you know, it's it's Tuesday after Labor Day weekend, 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.080 and that seems to represent like a change, right, Like 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.799 summer is going to be ending soon at kids are 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.560 going back to school, like it's time to like focus 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:11.640 and work. But I'm kind of at the point where 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.880 I'm ending this big coverage that I did, and I'm like, 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.279 I want to stop working so much, you know, I 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:18.480 want to kind of kind. 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:18.959 Of take it easy. 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:19.320 I need to. 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.920 I need to get out more and reclaim my summer. 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.560 That's what happened. I saw you on a bike somewhere 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.440 like yesterday. Yes, you were biking. 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:31.640 Yes, got it. 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.239 Got to get back into that during the pandemic. When 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.680 the pandemic hit, I lost my job at the Daily Journal. 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.439 They cut like half the staff, and I was doing 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.439 the unemployment pandemic thing, and I went on a bunch 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:46.800 of road trips to national parks. 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.360 Got really into that, and you know, with that, you 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:53.160 get in pretty good shape. And I was doing big hikes. 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.160 I went to Yosemite and did Cloud's Rest with the 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.120 idea to eventually do Half Dome, which is like the 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:01.560 big hike in your And then I got a job 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.200 at law dot Com and then I got to move 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.959 to law and crime and it was like celebrity trial news, 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:09.839 you know, get into the la coverage scene, and I'm 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.560 like Okay, I've kind of lost track of my my 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.200 hiking plans. I haven't even been able to play some 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:16.400 trails like I wanted to. 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:22.279 Yeah, I'm sure you are not hiking and enjoying life 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.400 as you once were because what you have decided to 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.360 dedicate yourself to it is cumbersome. 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:30.640 It is tiring. 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.080 It's twenty four hours a day because something can happen 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.480 the middle of the night, early in the morning, and 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:40.239 you know, people start relying on you for information, and so, 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.600 you know, I just want to thank you so much 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.719 for what you've been doing. I really truly think that 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:48.879 you are a rock star in terms of how you've 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.640 been juggling this this newfound celebrity. 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.640 That you have. You may not want to accept that, 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.279 but you do. So, my son, you go ahead and 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:58.040 kick it off. 0:45:58.640 --> 0:45:58.839 Yeah. 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.120 So I'm just interested to know how did you get 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.759 into journalism, Like, way did it start me? 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.719 You know, it's always been an interest of mine, and 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.080 I credit my family. My dad was a criminal defense attorney. 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.160 Well he was a small town attorney in Oregon, so 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:17.040 he did criminal defense but also divorce, civil cases. He 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.600 kind of a broad range of things, and he was 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.759 really interested in politics, and journalism, and he died in 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.600 two thousand and three. But during high school, I mean 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:30.400 we would have conversations about political events, current events. He 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.000 was really interested in the OJ Simpson trial, and he 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.759 was skeptical of the police. He always had, I mean, 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:37.680 he was a criminal defense attorney, so he was always 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:40.279 giving us advice on you know, never let them search 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:41.440 your car, that kind of thing. 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.240 I mean, those are just things that we were kind. 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:44.719 Of taught early on, Like he would he got a 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.880 seat belt ticket once, and he fought it all the 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.160 way that he could. I just remember a really intense, 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:54.560 passionate dinner discussion about Dad getting this seat belt ticket, 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.120 and of course he wasn't wearing a seat belt, but 0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.080 he was convinced that there was no way the cop 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.879 could have actually seen that he wasn't wearing a seat 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.239 belt because of the color of the seat in the 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.360 car and the color of the seat belt. So he 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:08.400 knew that this cop was just making this up and 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.560 he was going to challenge it. I don't remember what 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.200 happened with that, but it was, like, you know, four 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.640 or five years old. Those are like my searing memories. 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:19.920 Obviously, Tory Lanes his case is not the first case 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.400 you covered, but it's when we encounter you and so 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:25.759 can you talk about some of the other things that 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:26.319 you've done? 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.800 You said long crime at what is it? 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:29.560 What was it? 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:31.680 Low dot com? 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.080 Law dot com? Yeah, talk about the other cases that 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:35.880 you've covered. 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.160 Yeah, I mean I started working at the high school 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:40.800 paper and then always kind of knew I wanted to 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.760 do journalism, So was at the college paper University of Oregon, 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.279 Go Ducks, and then went up to Spokane, Washington and 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:51.080 worked at the Spokesman Review and Boise, Idaho, covering the 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.720 legislature for a year doing an internship with their Idaho 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:59.000 legislature reporter. Then went up to Cordelaine, Idaho. And Spokane, 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.239 Washington was when I started covering courts more because I 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.800 was the night cops reporter and then I moved to 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.480 the day side cops shift, and I kind of realized 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.560 that the courthouse was where you found out more information 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.640 about the people that you wrote about who got arrested, 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.319 Like you could go to the courthouse and there would 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.480 be you know, Appidavid's and stuff there explaining the cases. 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.200 So I got into it through that and then moved 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.960 to California in twenty thirteen to work at the Orange 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.319 County Register. It was when they were doing this kind 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.160 of pie in the sky expansion, like we're going to 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.560 save newspapers, and they had a couple of guys by 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:34.320 the paper and want to know, rekindle newspapers, and it 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.360 kind of turned out to be kind of a scam involved, 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.760 and they were doing stuff with the retirement fund and everything. 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:40.840 There was a big lawsuit. 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:42.520 But for a couple of years there was like this 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.880 renaissance time at the Orange County Register where they were 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.400 just hiring reporters to do really good work. And I 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.640 was actually hired to cover, if you can believe it, 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.440 the city of San Juan Capistrano. If you've heard of that, 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:57.439 the swallows of San Juan Capistrano about as small town 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.840 California as you can think. I mean, in a town America, 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.200 San Juan wouldn't count as a small town because it's 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.080 thirty five thousand people and it's in South Orange County. 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.200 But they've got the city Council, the Planning Commission, and 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:13.680 the Orange County Register had a weekly called Capistrano Valley News. 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.359 So my job was to fill the Capistrano Valley News 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.279 and It was my first experience in southern California. 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.719 I kind of went into it having watched those episodes 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:23.240 of Weeds. 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:27.000 You guys remember that show, Yeah, and the politics with 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:29.680 the city council on that, and then also parks and 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.080 rec There was a very big parks and rec vibe 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.080 to it, but it was very small town that the 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.600 town had a lot of infighting about development and traffic. 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:39.360 But for like a year and a half I covered 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.399 that stuff. But they also had a big lawsuit over 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.399 water rates. They had done pie in the sky water 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.120 rates and were getting sued by some residents who, of 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:51.560 course they'd just written off as gad flies, but actually 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.239 the residents were like retired professionals who knew what they 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.200 were talking about, and they ended up screwing up water 0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:59.759 rates for the entire state. In the middle of a 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.360 out like the governor actually issued a statement about this 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.680 appellate court ruling that had come against San Juan for 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.560 their water rates, and it was kind of my first 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:12.160 introduction to courts in southern California. So I went from 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.959 the Register to the Daily Journal, and the La Daily 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.920 Journal was really where I feel like I became like 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:20.560 a legal affairs reporter covering all sorts of cases and 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.600 getting to know all sorts of lawyers and judges, because 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.160 the Daily Journal is like a clubby little newspaper for 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:30.239 lawyers in the judiciary. It was it's been around since 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:33.520 like the late over a century. It was like the 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.600 Daily Court Journal, but it was bought by Charles Munger 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:40.200 back in the eighties and he kind of wanted it 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:43.560 to be like a gift for the legal community. So 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:47.600 it's basically just profiles of judges, really in house news 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.640 on litigation and stuff, but it's very civil based. They've 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.000 got maybe when I was there, we maybe had ten 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:56.440 reporters and one of them covers criminal justice and all 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.719 the others the cious types of civil cases. So that's 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.200 where I where I really got to know the system 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.680 really well and felt like I was a court reporter, 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.600 and I feel like I applied that stuff to the lane. 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.560 Stuff like we didn't cover celebrity cases so much at 0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:12.839 the Daily Journal, but you just learned how the court 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.040 system so it works so much. I wanted to get 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:21.360 out of like the silo of Paywald legal affairs journalism 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.719 like almlaw dot com. Where I went after that is 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.719 very Paywald like lawyers, only they're writing for lawyers. They 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.719 don't they're not writing for the mainstream at all. 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:29.840 So I wanted to find a way to. 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.200 Like marry the two, Like how can you take what 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:37.160 you learned covering legal affairs journalism in the siloed Paywald 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:41.000 area and move it to social media, and like law 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.840 on Crime was a good way to kind of transition 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:43.160 on that. 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.360 So was this like your first high profile case that 0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:46.960 you covered? 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.160 It was definitely the most high profile case that i'd covered. 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.040 I'd gotten the first time I ever went on TV 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.719 was actually Nancy Grace. I think she's still around, but 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.640 does anyone remember her when she had the fill in show? 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.920 Yeah? Really yeah, yeah, really. 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:08.800 Conservative right, yes, like you know, going against you know, 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.480 they're all guilty kind of thing. But there was a 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.480 babysitter in Post Falls, Idaho who'd been arrested for murder 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.080 involving a kid that she was babysitting. So I had 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.040 written about that for The Swolkes In Review and went 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.040 on TV for that. So I'd had a little bit 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:28.680 of experience and doing some oxygen shows like what was 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.560 the name of the show, A couple of murder cases 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.120 they spotlighted when I was doing there, but Lane's was 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.960 by far the most high profile case because before it 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.239 was probably Michael Evan Naughty. Do you guys remember him, 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:44.000 the lawyer first Stormy Daniels, who was really twenty eighteen. 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:47.239 He sued Trump and there was actually serious talk of 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.879 him being a presidential candidate for a couple of weeks, 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.040 which is kind of crazy. But I covered all his 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:56.560 financial fraud cases in California for a year and a 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:58.920 half and that was the most high profile that I'd gotten. 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.160 I'd got a lot of attention, and he was giving 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:02.920 me a lot of flak online and he has this 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:07.560 like dedicated group of like five Evannaughty cultists on Twitter, 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.640 packing me and going. So it was I remember when 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:13.680 I was telling somebody about all the flack that I 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.479 was getting on from the Tory Lane stuff. So somebody 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:18.759 was like, oh, it sounds exactly like Evannaughty, and I 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:21.320 was like, well, no, it's actually way bigger, and they're like, no, it's. 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.160 It's actually just like EVANAUGHTI. 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:23.320 And it kind of is. 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:25.160 But it was like, you know that a lot of 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.800 people are really trolls, and they've made up several pages 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.320 so they could go and talk from different pages and 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.080 try to discredit you. So and we found that out. 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.680 And my son likes to argue with people online who 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:43.320 are who I look at it like. Sometimes I'll start 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.799 like getting ready to make a comment too, and then 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:48.160 I click it and the person has like two followers, 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:49.160 and I'm like, okay, what. 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:50.040 Yeah, and then. 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.719 Exactly yeah, I did say in a in a live 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.239 I did a while back. I was like, Okay, I 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.560 need to start writing down these fake names that they're 0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:02.279 coming out with. There's one Maxwell Troy the other the 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:04.440 other day. I was like, Okay, that's a good one, 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:09.800 good old Maxwell Troy. When he's not passionately defending Tory 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:12.520 Lanes in the comments on a YouTube channel, he's you know, 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.600 running your local high school computer science club or something. 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:19.920 Exactly right, he's like in the basement of a building. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.080 So let me see what was the how do you 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:24.000 pick the cases? 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:25.920 Now, maybe you didn't have. 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:29.399 I get that in the previous spaces it was sort 0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:31.680 of a signed and or something that you were really 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:33.719 interested in, and so you kind of jumped into it. 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:34.640 How did you. 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:37.200 Decide, like, Tory Lanes, this is the case. I'm going 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:41.080 for it because you did basically most of this independent. 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.040 Right, Yeah, yeah, well it was I was with on 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:46.359 Crime when the trial started, and they're really into celebrity news. 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:50.000 So I was there covering at that courthouse, covering Harvey Weinstein, 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:53.200 the movie producers Rape Troll and Danny Masterson, the That 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:57.600 seventies show actor Stephen Hyde. They were having two cases 0:54:57.640 --> 0:54:59.560 at the same time, so I was already there, and 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:02.520 then I'd heard from the Law and Crime Network people 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:04.640 that there was interest in the Tory Lanez case, so 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:06.000 I was like, well, if I'm already here, I might 0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:08.560 as well cover it. And then I mean, at the 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.560 time of I was a couple of months off from 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:16.120 covering Cardi B's trial in Santa Anna. She was actually 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:20.080 sued by somebody over the album art to Gangsta Bitch 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.560 Music Vie, and she won, but she was in court 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.439 for a few days and actually testified. So I was like, Okay, 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:29.000 how many people in their life get to say that 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.600 they saw testimony from the two women responsible for the 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.480 wop song within like two months of each other, in 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:38.920 two separate courthouses and two unrelated trials, Like I've got 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:40.759 to at least be there for Megan testimony. 0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:41.000 Right. 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:43.360 But then when I stepped into. 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:45.279 It, I just realized, I mean, it's such a more 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.960 serious case to even bring it up in the same 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.719 breath is that Cardi B lawsuit is? I mean, the 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:52.839 Cardi B lawsuit was kind of silly, but you can't 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.680 say that about the Tory Lanez case. Was a pretty 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:58.000 serious case. And I just realized how much attention there 0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.719 was to it, and I'm like, wow, I think people 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.120 wanted to want to cover this case. I should keep 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:03.560 covering it. 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.279 After you cover this case, right, I seen a lot 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:09.920 of pushback you again, just a lot of pushback. And 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:15.240 you I found out about you, you know, after Tamika 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.040 had actually went to the court one time and she 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.040 was telling me some of the things that she's seen 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:20.879 inside the court. 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:21.879 Mm hmm. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:26.360 And when I found you on Twitter, you were saying 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.680 pretty much the same things that she had verbatim seen 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:31.399 and other people that I knew were in the court. 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:36.920 So I said, this person seems like they actually are 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:40.239 non biased and just reporting the facts of the case. 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:42.560 Right, Yeah, I mean I try to be. 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.279 So what I want to know is what was that 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:50.440 process like as you posted and you were getting responses back, 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:52.800 was it was most of them positive or were you 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:57.640 immediately getting the delays people that's like you're not you're biased. 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.040 But for the most party, it was really positive, especially 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:02.799 in the very beginning. I think it was the trial 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.320 started on Monday, I think, and it was like Wednesday 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.799 when I would look at my phone and be like, wow, 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.040 this is like the most responses that I've ever gotten 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:12.000 on Twitter, and it was just kind of getting blown up. 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.640 But I remember I saw a message from some random person. 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.000 It was a reply that just said thank you for this, 0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:21.320 this non bias and that this is we're spelled ds, 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:23.720 and I was just like, I mean, it was just new, 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:26.440 like like I don't usually get those kind of replies 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.520 or it's usually like lawyers or something replying to my tweets. 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:30.520 So I mean, I thought it was cool. 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:33.200 I was like, this is awesome, like people are appreciating 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:35.280 the coverage and just that what he said, like thank 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.640 you for this, this is non bias. It's like what 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.400 bigger compliment could you give a reporter who's trying to 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.280 do that, you know, It's like, oh, I mean it 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.800 was it was heartening and it was like inspiring to 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:48.680 like keep going. So I did see once a tweet 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:52.920 that said, it's unfortunate that a white lady with a 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.280 bob is our only source of reliable information. 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:58.000 And what was kind of like one of my friends 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.200 was like, are they making front of your hair. I'm like, no, 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:02.520 I think I need to embrace it. But it kind 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:03.160 of underscored. 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.720 It's like it's a really sensitive issue and the point 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.920 that they made wasn't any thing to kind of diss me. 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.840 It was just a comment on the state of journalism 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.200 and black representation in journalism that I saw. It just 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:17.680 kind of it just kind of struck me. I'm like, 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:20.960 the issues in this are like so heavy for society. 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.080 It's like way bigger than anything, Like a thieving lawyer 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.320 defrauding his clients is serious, but just like the way 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:31.600 media deals with violence against women and violence against black women, 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.000 Like I just realized it was like all there. And 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.240 then I remember I was using Instagram a little bit, 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.479 but not so much. It was more of a personal page. 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:42.200 But it's not like it was locked down, and I'd 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:46.200 gotten a comment on like a photo like months and 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:51.000 months back of bookcases behind there, and somebody would have 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:54.760 had to scroll through a few pictures to see these books. 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.280 But the comment was they added Megan the Stallion and 0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:00.080 they said, she has books about what they did to 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.320 your people, but you can't. And it was some kind 0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:05.320 of insult to Megan or some kind of diss to 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:09.160 Megan after that. But the first part where they're like, 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:13.040 she has books about what they did to your people, 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.440 and I'm like, they're talking about the two books that 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.760 I had Uncle Tom's cabin and then we are not afraid, 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.440 I mean slavery and the civil rights movement, And I 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:25.000 just remember being like struck that like how personal it 0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:27.280 was for people that somebody would like take the time 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.000 to do that and like look through the photos. And 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.960 I didn't feel like attacked by it or anything. It 0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:35.160 was just like, I mean, I'm a journalist and you're 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:37.160 kind of a public figure when you're doing that, so 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.600 I mean, I shouldn't be bothered that somebody looked through 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:41.440 like public photos that I had, but it just like 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.720 underscored like how important this was for people and how 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.120 like personal it was for people, Like other cases that 0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.040 I cover would not warrant that kind of response. And 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.880 I also just remember being kind of proud that I 0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.720 had those books and being like this is a really 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.000 sensitive issue. But if I just keep doing what I 0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:01.120 do and like, I don't have anything to worry about, Like, 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.520 because you always hear those things about somebody getting a 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.360 lot of attention, and then somebody goes back and finds 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.240 some tweets from like ten years ago where they're saying 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:11.960 awful stuff and they're only they're like, oh, well that 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:12.760 was ten years ago. 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:14.200 It's like, well, why were you ever saying that? 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:16.480 You know, But I just knew that I didn't have 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.000 anything like that, So I'm like, I should be good 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:22.440 if I just keep doing what I'm doing. And but 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:24.680 it was it was a little overwhelming to get all 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:26.720 the responses all the time and be like do I 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.840 respond or do I not? But fortunately the trial, fortunately 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:32.280 the trial is just so busy that I could just 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:33.160 focus on that and. 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:33.960 Focus on that. 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:37.240 Well, you know what, So I was going to bring 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:41.200 this up, but you started. Actually you mentioned it first. 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.520 In terms of the racial dynamics of you being a 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:48.480 white woman covering this case and becoming a very important 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:52.080 source of information, I think I have to say that, uh, 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:57.120 what's his name? Dennis Byron also sort of became an 1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:00.640 important source, especially as a black man covering the case. 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:03.800 And I see that the two of you now share 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:08.480 conversations and online things, services and whatnot, which is good. 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:11.120 I you know, I appreciate Dennis, although he and I 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:13.640 don't always agree, which I'm sure that's just that's just 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:19.280 a part of life. But when you mentioned this, DS 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:22.960 very clear that for the most part, the person who 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:28.200 said that is more than likely a younger person in general, 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:33.480 and maybe maybe an African American because it has become 1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:36.400 a part of our lexicon, right, especially for younger people. 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.400 Then when someone says the black. 1:01:39.240 --> 1:01:41.440 Woman with the bob, I mean the white woman with 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:45.960 the bob, absolutely as a black woman. I can tell 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:51.720 you that I have definitely noticed that Megan kuonif is 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:53.960 the is the white woman with the bob? Right, like 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:57.400 we just that's something, So that more than likely was 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:01.600 a black woman who noticed it. And then the person 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:05.360 who is saying they know the history, I can imagine 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:08.800 that the quote was probably something like, she has books 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.880 about your people's history, and you're allowing this black man 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:16.080 to be crucified knowing that he didn't do the thing 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:18.240 and this and that, so more than likely that was 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:21.440 probably a black man. And I'm stereotype in here or 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:24.800 type casting if you will. But it's just based upon 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:27.919 what I know being online and also dealing with black 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:28.800 people all my life. 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:33.400 Yeah, question for you is, did you why. 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:34.480 Were you reading those books? 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:39.200 Do you have a relationship or are you involved in 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:43.160 the black community, Like what tell me about your experience 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:46.360 in terms of dealing with black folks and if not, much, 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:50.080 did you learn a lot about us, about the way 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:54.120 we communicate, about the things that really truly divide our 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:56.680 community as you were covering this case. 1:02:57.480 --> 1:02:59.960 Yeah, I mean the truth is I don't have much experience. 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:01.760 I mean, if you just look where I grew up 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:05.880 in Cravallis, Oregon and then up in Spokane, Washington. I mean, 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:08.640 I remember I was talking to Nick the other night, 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:10.800 who does the YouTube channel NIEK at Night. I'm like, look, 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.240 there were two black kids in my entire elementary school 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:16.439 when I was growing up. And well, I mean people 1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:20.840 in Cravallis, Oregon are very liberal, like they're anti racism. 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:23.120 I mean, if you go to Cravallis, there's Black Lives 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:27.480 Matters signs in people's windows, that kind of thing. But 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:32.680 it's it's that white liberalism that I'm sure has been discussed, 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:35.080 you know, all over that you see that that doesn't 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:37.760 mean that there isn't like racism there just from the 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.480 fact that there just aren't many black people there growing up. 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:43.800 So in my position as as a journalist, I've never 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:47.440 really gotten like too involved in like activist movements, but 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:51.520 especially when the Black Lives Matter protests started and the 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:55.280 George Floyd murder protest started, because one perspective I think 1:03:55.280 --> 1:03:58.240 I can bring to that is somebody who can be like, oh, yeah, 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:02.160 if you see the way the cops just treat you know, anyone, 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:05.000 if you add racism into that, it gets it must 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:05.960 just it's. 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:06.400 Horrible, you know. 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.320 I Mean, I have no doubt that they the cops 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:11.240 are out of control in shootings and that they do 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:14.960 target black people like just for and that something needs 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:17.840 to be done about it. But as a reporter, I 1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:20.760 mean getting involved in the in the movement and that 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:22.560 kind of thing, you're kind of not supposed. 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:22.440 To do that. 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:25.160 But as a journalist, I feel like I can bring 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:29.960 light to the situations by covering civil rights movement or 1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:33.520 covering civil rights trials against cops, which I've done a lot, 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:36.160 Like I've seen a lot of cops testify in court, 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:37.880 and I feel like if I can just tell people 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:41.400 what I see through that that'll help. But then when 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:43.800 the George Floyd thing started, I was actually doing that 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:48.480 the pandemic road trip to National Park. So I was 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:50.440 actually up in Salt Lake City because I was going 1:04:50.480 --> 1:04:53.920 to go up to the Yellowstone and Grant Teton, and 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:57.160 they were having protests up there, I mean Salt Lake City, 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:00.520 and of course the cops just went crazy. Currently one 1:05:00.600 --> 1:05:03.120 person tipped over a cop car, so they just shut 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:06.080 down the entire city, like put a whole perimeter around 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:09.160 the downtown or something. And it was ridiculous because when 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:11.840 you see the way the people were, I mean, people 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:13.960 have every right to protest this, and when you see 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.400 that video, it's like, yeah, I think people are going 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:18.440 to be out in the streets like protesting this. Of 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:20.600 course they were. They were protesting all over the country, 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:23.600 and the cops line up in this big military row 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:26.720 and they're just like bringing it. I mean, they're just 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:29.880 they're they're totally they're just instigating shit and starting shit 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:32.280 and I see it all the time and it pisses 1:05:32.320 --> 1:05:35.760 me off. So when you add race and just the 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:40.680 institutional racism and the disadvantages that just are kind of 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:41.800 caked into society. 1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:42.120 Through that. 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:44.280 You add that with the police, it's like god, what, 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:47.560 you know, the horror of that. But so I was 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:49.880 trying to think of, like what can I do, like 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:53.400 as just a white lady with a bob, you know, Like, 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:56.680 I mean, there's not I mean, I live in South 1:05:56.720 --> 1:05:57.400 Orange County. 1:05:58.040 --> 1:06:02.000 You know, I work a lot. You know, I go out, 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:04.760 I don't. I mean I remember I went to visit 1:06:04.800 --> 1:06:06.680 a friend in Washington, d C. 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:09.120 And it was like it felt like a lot more 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:11.040 diversity than I'm used to, which is just kind of 1:06:11.080 --> 1:06:12.920 a nice thing to do to just go out and 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:13.560 see diversity. 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:16.560 But one thing I wanted to do was read more books. 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:18.960 And that's what I was reading about, Like what can 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:21.640 white people do to try to like help things and 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:24.640 make more of a difference other than just you know, 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:27.680 protesting and being publicly against this stuff. And that's read 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:30.760 more books about the black experience. So as somebody who 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.000 I haven't been able to read that much this year 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.680 because of all the work, all the work that I've 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:38.720 been doing, but I have tried to read more black 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:42.680 authors like Jesmine Ward Coulson, Whitehead, is a big one, 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:44.440 and it's not like it's not like a chore to 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:44.680 do this. 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:47.040 I mean, Coulson Whitehead is like one of the bests 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:47.800 out there today. 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:50.120 So but I kind of make a point of trying 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:53.760 to read books about stuff that I wouldn't normally know 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:55.840 about or be exposed to, just and. 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.280 I think that's important for everybody to do to kind 1:06:59.280 --> 1:07:01.479 of learn about that. But I mean, I don't know if. 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:06.560 That's ah, I have the other question and then because 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:08.160 I know you have to go in a few moments, 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:10.320 so I just want to get back to that. 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:13.160 And in my son you jump in about did you. 1:07:13.360 --> 1:07:17.400 Learn a lot about what divides our community, like you know, 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:21.040 and some of the detentionions you know that came up 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:21.880 around this case. 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:23.520 Yeah, yeah, definitely. 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:26.160 It just seems like there's huge issues with just representation 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:30.680 in media and how stuff is portrayed in like mainstream media, 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:31.720 and then just. 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:35.440 Not the problems with the criminal. 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:39.600 Justice system kind of inherently distrusting the criminal justice system 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:42.480 in the way it deals with black men, but then 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:45.840 also having the problem of black women traditionally not being 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:49.160 trusted and not being believed in public society. So it 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:52.360 was like this this interesting mesh of those two issues 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:58.320 and how skepticism was kind of born through both those things. No, 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:00.560 I mean, I feel like I was talking to some 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:04.480 people about, you know, what are some possible book possibilities 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:06.760 for this that's not just focused on the Megan thee 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:10.400 Stallion issue in the harassment, but just the whole issue 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:14.320 of like online stand culture and celebrity obsession and how 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.479 that is like coming into the criminal justice system, Like 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:20.559 how do you deal with that? There's so many issues there, 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:22.880 Like what I mean, are there are there other issues 1:08:22.920 --> 1:08:25.000 that I'm that I'm missing or do you think I 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:26.160 do you think I No? 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:28.439 I think I mean, my son, you can speak to it. 1:08:28.520 --> 1:08:30.920 I think you're right that that one of the biggest 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:33.640 challenge here is that even people. 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:34.080 Of good. 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:40.400 Moral whatever, or people who were really good people who 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:44.160 are who are fighters like for advocates for our community 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:48.800 struggled with a black man going to prison and then 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:55.320 a black woman also being mistreated and not believed, not trusted. 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:58.320 So those things happened all at once, and it did 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:02.640 absolutely create a lot of tension in our community. 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:05.639 But you know, you know, so my son, you go ahead. 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:09.200 So for me, it's this is a two prong question. 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:14.040 I want you to give me what was the most 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:19.439 surprising thing that you heard in the trial and based 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:21.800 off what you might have read other than your own 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:25.840 commentary and in your own, you know, reporting of the trial, 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.560 what do you think was one of the biggest misconceptions 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:32.760 on just the media that they put out that you 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:34.719 found out why you were in the courtroom. 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:38.960 Wasn't that you knew the media, the media or online 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:40.280 because the media, not. 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:43.519 The media, but the online the chatter if you if 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:45.600 you were tuned into it, because there was so For me, 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:48.360 there was just so many things that were just so 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:51.600 conflicting based on what you were saying, based on what 1:09:51.760 --> 1:09:54.439 people that know were in the courthouse, evidence that were 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:55.760 being presented, then. 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:58.920 What was being put onto the you know, onto the websites. 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:02.840 Yeah, probably probably the most surprising thing for me in 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.400 the beginning was going in there and then realizing that 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.080 it was actually like really big news that Tory's lawyer 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:11.920 was admitting that Megan was shot. That I didn't realize 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:13.639 and it was surprising to me that there was even 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:17.439 a narrative saying that she wasn't even shot, because I mean, 1:10:17.520 --> 1:10:19.759 it stems from her saying that she stepped on glass 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:22.280 in the very beginning. But to me, it just seems 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:25.240 so understandable why she would why she would say that, 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:29.160 and why she wasn't ready to just tell the cops that, oh, yeah, 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:30.760 someone shot me and there's a gun in the car. 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:33.240 I mean, just with everything we just talked about with 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.920 the police, that all made sense to me. So I 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:41.040 was surprised at the narrative on that, and then one 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:46.560 thing that the focus on her relationship with Tory and 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:49.120 just the fact that you know, she gone on Gail 1:10:49.240 --> 1:10:52.360 King and denied having an intimate relationship with him, but 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:55.320 then it turns out that they had had, that they 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:58.720 had been intimate. It was just like, why is this 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.960 even I mean, I guess I can understand why it 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:06.400 came up and the prosecutors were disclosing it to the 1:11:06.479 --> 1:11:09.639 defense after they talked to Megan after the Gail King interview, 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:11.680 but it just seemed like, why is there even a 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:14.800 focus on this? Like why? I mean, I just didn't 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:17.519 understand how much of a role it actually played in 1:11:17.600 --> 1:11:19.960 the case. And it seems surprising to me and kind 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.360 of shocking to me that they would have, like the 1:11:22.439 --> 1:11:24.960 prosecutors would have that as part of the case. But 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:27.120 there's so much focus on the fact that she lied 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:28.960 in that Gail King interview, you know, and if she 1:11:29.080 --> 1:11:31.160 lied about this, how could you believe anything that she said. 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:33.479 It's like, why was she even being asked about that, 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:35.760 you know? And I don't know, it just seemed it 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:37.680 just seemed inappropriate. It doesn't really have anything to do 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:40.080 with the fact that he shot her well, of course, 1:11:40.520 --> 1:11:43.519 but it does though, because it's the domestic violence. I mean, 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:45.760 they weren't just two strangers who just happened to be 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:48.639 in the same location. It was prosecuted by the domestic 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.840 violence Family violence Unit, So I mean it was like 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:55.960 she said, I mean, he's an abuser. It had the 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:58.519 makings of that, and just the way Alex bought the 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:03.320 prosecutor in the in the trial. In the closing argument, 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:07.479 I remember he was alerting the going through the phone 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:10.920 call that Tory made from jail to Kelsey where he's apologizing, 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:14.519 but he's not saying exactly what he's apologizing before. But 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.840 Bob was just saying what else could he possibly be 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:21.600 talking about here? And he draws the jury's attention to 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:25.880 when Tory is asking Kelsey what hospital Megan's at just 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:28.880 the way he asks it in the and he's so persistent. 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:32.519 He asked it a couple of times, but he said, 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:34.360 you know, pay attention to the way he asked what 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:37.160 hospital she's at, and he's just like, what hospitals she at? 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:40.400 And he and Kelsey tells him, and then like maybe 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:44.360 a minute or so later, he asks again, and Kelsey's like, oh, 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:46.680 I just told you. And part of me is like 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:49.720 wants to say, you know, any woman who's ever had 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:52.919 to deal with some dumb ass man will recognize Kelsey's 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:55.760 tone in that phone call. But it's like, oh, yeah, 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:58.320 some dumb ass man. You just fired five rounds at 1:12:58.360 --> 1:12:59.920 them and they got back in the car with them 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:02.639 and then had like it was just way more than 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:07.160 like a traditional, you know, women dealing with dumb. 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:09.240 Men kind of thing. It's just like I was just like, wow, 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:13.639 this is like horribly abusive, Like yeah. 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:14.679 It's funny. 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:19.800 Well, I thought the same thing. I thought that first 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:21.519 of all, I don't think she should have lied at 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:25.040 all about on the interview with Gail King. I think 1:13:25.120 --> 1:13:28.560 that that definitely led to the narrative around her just 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:31.200 being a liar and whatever, and it wasn't necessary to 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:35.800 lie at all because we already assumed that that was 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:38.240 the case. I mean, obviously, it's like, what else the 1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:42.599 hell would have created so much of a situation. However, 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:45.840 I don't even understand why Gail asked that question. I 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:48.800 don't you know, I don't understand it, and I'm not 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:52.760 saying that. And perhaps it was because I don't know, 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:57.280 maybe maybe Gail felt like it was a necessary that's. 1:13:57.160 --> 1:14:01.960 What it was inline to discredit everything that she said. 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:04.400 That was one of the main things that she was 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:06.639 mad because they were having sex, and this is why 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:10.280 her and Kelsey quote unquote ansay, so that was something 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:12.600 that they were trying to use to discredit her, and 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:17.240 it pushed off into actual reporters asking the question, I 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.920 don't think it really, Like, like Megan said, I don't 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:23.439 see where the relevance of her having sex with him. 1:14:23.600 --> 1:14:26.519 Months or days before that, but the same day it 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:29.120 did not getting shot. You know what I'm saying. I don't. 1:14:29.200 --> 1:14:29.800 I don't see that. 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:33.439 But you got next question. 1:14:34.200 --> 1:14:38.519 What I want to say is there there's there's about 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:41.520 three things that I want to know because based off evidence, 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:45.000 you know, everybody hasn't seen the court transcripts. There's still 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:49.439 people with you know, their narrative and this is what happened, 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:52.120 and if that happened, why then this happened. There's this 1:14:52.760 --> 1:14:56.040 There are two things that that people keep saying that 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:04.439 Kelsey's DNA is on the gun not toys, and there's 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:09.080 GSL on both of their hands, so that's what they 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:09.920 keep pointing to. 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:13.400 Now, I don't know, I haven't read the court documents, 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:18.200 so I was accurate those two statements are, you know? 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:21.040 And it's a good reminder to get to get the 1:15:21.120 --> 1:15:24.080 transcripts of everything, like the DNA expert and the GSR 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:27.120 guy talking. I think that would help. But the DNA 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:31.080 was inconclusive. They actually didn't take Kelsey's DNA. But when 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:35.400 you look at the assessment of Tory's DNA, eighty percent 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:40.439 of the DNA profile they got went was was the 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:44.920 product of one male and they were able to exclude 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:48.400 Tory as that male. So the next like the other 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:52.519 mixture of DNA was too inconclusive to conclude if Tory 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:56.320 was contributed or didn't contribute it to that DNA. So 1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:58.639 it would have been the same with Kelsey because Kelsey's 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:00.680 not a man, so she wouldn't have been the contributor 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:04.839 to the eighty percent. But then the other DNA samples 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:07.720 are so small that it was like Tory being inconclusive. 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:09.960 It would have just been inconclusive with Kelsey. 1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:11.120 They did have. 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:15.040 Tory did have a defense expert who opined that he 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:19.640 thought that the results showed that one of the profiles 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:23.080 was more likely to be a female, but that was 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:26.840 discredited by the other DNA expert, and it just didn't 1:16:27.240 --> 1:16:29.160 It just didn't have much weight in court. But I 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:31.160 think to I think it would help to get the 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:34.960 transcripts of the DNA expert testimony in the GSR, because 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:40.000 Kelsey and Tory did both have GSR on their hands. 1:16:40.040 --> 1:16:42.160 But of course the story was that Kelsey was standing 1:16:42.320 --> 1:16:44.560 right next to him when when he shot her. So, 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:46.519 I mean, and a lot of the stuff from the 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:48.960 transcripts that I've seen, I just wonder. I was, like, 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:52.320 have people actually read the stories, like the long crime 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:55.080 stories on Sean Kelly's testimony and the tweets about that, 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:58.599 because we were really clear James from the La Times too, 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:02.080 that you know, Sean was originally said that he saw 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:05.320 two women fighting and he thought the flashes originated with 1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:08.360 the girl. But then he said that basically Tory took 1:17:08.400 --> 1:17:09.280 over and was shooting. 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:12.560 So but can I go back to this, So you 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:18.840 said eighty percent of the DNA that was on the 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:23.720 weapon was a male, but he was excluded from being 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:25.040 the possible mail. 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:27.759 Right, right, So it was always I mean I remember 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:29.519 when I was watching the trial, I was like, well, 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:30.519 it sounds like it was Kwan. 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:33.439 I mean his his driver, right, yeah, but. 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:40.639 The driver's gun that's in the car, Yeah, and then 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:45.719 Tory gets access to it and this all happened. 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:50.920 But the driver took the gun from Tory, and you 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:51.680 know what I'm saying, And. 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:57.040 So everything that happened afterward, like his demeanor afterward, I 1:17:57.120 --> 1:18:00.400 mean that when they were pulled over on near Hollywood Boulevard, 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.120 he had the gun at his feet. I mean that 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:03.920 that kind of thing there was all there was kind 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:07.160 of a just a totality of circumstances that led to it. 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:10.080 Or But one thing I want to do is get 1:18:10.120 --> 1:18:12.920 the transcript for closing arguments because that would sum. 1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:15.800 It up right and that but the gs R piece 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:21.599 is important because we know that GSR spreads, so whoever 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.400 is closest to you can have it on their clothes, 1:18:24.760 --> 1:18:27.360 can have it on their hands, maybe even they go 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:30.639 to be like stop or whatever, or you know, different 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:34.439 things that can make GSR spread. So there are people 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:38.360 who are saying that there's no evidence in this case 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:43.799 because of those two that that particular area around. 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:45.400 They just. 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:49.439 They just don't know what evidence is. There's tons of evidence. 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:53.479 I mean, the testimony is evidence, the calls he made, 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:58.400 or evidence the the statements they made or evidence. I 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:01.680 mean every there's there's a ton of evidence. And it's 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:06.360 i mean the GSR and the DNA stuff I just 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:08.720 think is the product of there's so much focus on that, 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:11.240 but it's the product of like the CSI generation, people 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:13.200 who just watched CSI and they think that's the only 1:19:13.280 --> 1:19:15.720 kind of evidence that there is because the totality of 1:19:15.760 --> 1:19:20.080 the circumstances was I mean, the jury came back pretty 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:22.640 fast against him. And that's one thing, like all the 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:25.080 talk in that documentary that just came out, I'm like, 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:28.479 twelve jurors convicted this guy. Twelve people who live in 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:33.160 La County, sat saw everything, they heard everything, they talked 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:36.559 about everything, and deliberations. They asked to see Sean Kelly's 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:40.120 for a readback of Sean Kelly's testimony. They asked for 1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:43.080 a read back of the GSR testimony. They were asking 1:19:43.160 --> 1:19:46.160 for a readback of Megan's testimony, but then they said 1:19:46.160 --> 1:19:49.320 they didn't need it anymore after they heard the GSR stuff, 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:51.240 and then they went and convicted them. So that's the 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:53.960 one thing I'm like, there's so much like these documentaries 1:19:54.000 --> 1:19:56.519 that come out that just rehash what everybody knows. It's like, 1:19:57.000 --> 1:19:58.599 the one thing that I want to do is find 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:01.200 the jurors and talk to the jury support. But I'm 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:03.240 sure you don't want to come. 1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:05.439 Forward pose themselves. Yeah yeah, but I would. 1:20:05.439 --> 1:20:06.160 I would give a man. 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:08.920 So so listen. 1:20:09.000 --> 1:20:10.519 So we'll make sure we put that out there. 1:20:10.560 --> 1:20:12.719 If you're a juring you follow us, or you follow 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:16.920 or listen to street politicians that Megan is willing to 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:22.240 give you an amenity if you are are willing to 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:24.519 talk to her. But I want to because I know 1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:28.080 you have to go. So let's just deal with Kelsey 1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:38.120 for one more minute. So Kelsey's the the first lawyer. 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:44.160 The first lawyer says, after you know her text, I 1:20:44.240 --> 1:20:48.080 mean her email exchange with Tory is exposed. 1:20:49.080 --> 1:20:51.120 She says, if you. 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:54.080 All are going to follow to try to use the 1:20:54.240 --> 1:21:02.519 Kelsey shot, Meg Narra, I can't be involved in that 1:21:03.240 --> 1:21:08.639 one because there's a lie being told that I somehow 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:12.120 offered Kelsey money or I was involved in trying to 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:14.600 get her paid, and that no, well she. 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:17.640 She didn't make that connection in the email. Tory's new 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:20.880 lawyers later tried to say that, oh, the reason she 1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:23.840 didn't want to do the Kelsey defense is because she 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:28.360 had a conflict and didn't want her her her role 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.519 to be brought out. But I think it's pretty clear 1:21:30.600 --> 1:21:32.880 in the email that she tells Toy she doesn't she's 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:36.280 not comfortable advancing the Kelsey defense, primarily because she doesn't 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:39.479 think it's a viable strategy. And I mean, Sean Holly 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:43.080 is an experienced criminal defense attorney, much more experienced than 1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:45.519 George mcdesi and the guy that he went with, and 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:47.920 I think she just saw the optics of it and 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:51.400 knew it was a losing strategy to advance and basically 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:53.759 told him that he should find another lawyer if he wanted. 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:53.800 To do it. 1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:55.880 Yes, she said, you got to find another lawyer. 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:59.840 I'm glad that you finished it, because I did see 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:02.880 her saying you know that that's not true. And my 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:07.640 thing with the Tory Lane's defenders and his supporters is 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:11.759 that either you're saying that she did because their position 1:22:12.000 --> 1:22:13.680 is she just didn't want to do it because she 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:16.439 was implicated in a possible bribe, but then that means 1:22:16.520 --> 1:22:20.120 it was something to bribe for, So either way it 1:22:20.240 --> 1:22:20.880 doesn't help. 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:24.000 The U and I both know that that's not true. 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:27.000 Was when she was telling him about the bribe money, 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:30.400 that she's somehow offered bribe money to Kelsey, and she 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:33.080 was saying that's not true. And that's one thing that 1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:35.920 people forget about in this whole Kelsey thing is the 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.760 bribe because that documentary that just dared was so irresponsible 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:41.439 on some of the stuff that they just aired on 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:44.200 on stuff. But her pleading the fifth when they're like, oh, 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:46.920 she must have something to hide it, it's like anyone 1:22:46.960 --> 1:22:49.000 who was in the situation that she would be would 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:51.240 be pleading the fifth, wanting to plead the fifth and 1:22:51.280 --> 1:22:53.439 get some kind of immunity and testimony. But it's the 1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:56.560 bribery thing, guys. I mean, they're trying to pass it 1:22:56.640 --> 1:22:59.759 off like Kelsey pleaded the fifth because she's the actual 1:23:00.400 --> 1:23:03.000 and she went back and told the judge that I'm 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:05.280 actually the one who shot Megan, and the judge was like, okay, 1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:08.200 well we're going to give you immunity. That's ridiculous that. 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:10.880 I mean, we don't know exactly what happened and we're 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:12.600 never going to be able to get the transcript for that. 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:14.680 But that's there's no way that's what happened. And it 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:17.439 has everything to do with the bribery thing, because I mean, 1:23:17.439 --> 1:23:19.800 I think I haven't watched that documentary, but Alex Bott 1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:23.320 says the prosecutor says in the documentary they think Kelsey 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:26.000 took a bribe and they wanted to amend the charges 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:29.400 against Tory during trial to add bribery charges. So it 1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:31.880 was all about the bribery things. So the idea that 1:23:32.000 --> 1:23:34.560 she pleaded the fifth it's it's all because of that. 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:35.720 Mm hmm. 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:39.320 The gotta be Yeah, he has a leak. Yeah, well, 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:42.000 my son might want to ask the last question. 1:23:42.520 --> 1:23:43.840 I just want to ask this letter. 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:49.559 So based on so they read Kelsey's original statement right 1:23:50.320 --> 1:23:54.799 after they they questioned her in court, right. 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:57.920 Yeah, yeah, they played the entire eighty minute interview that 1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:00.440 she did with prosecutors. Was the next day her testimony 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:03.920 was over two days, and she recanted she wouldn't identify 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:06.720 Torri as the shooter. But then the judge ruled that 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:09.960 there were so many questions in the defense portion about 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:15.320 prosecutors pressuring her that to be fair, to make sure 1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:17.080 the jury saw the whole picture, they would hear the 1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:21.000 whole interview and just decide for themselves whether she was pressured. 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:23.080 So that was that was pretty bad, and that wouldn't 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:26.080 have come in if there hadn't been like bad lawyering 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:29.000 like that. But that was I mean, that was when 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:32.160 you really hear too, like you hear in a relaxed environment, 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.320 and it sounds it sounds like she she's there. I mean, 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:37.639 she's almost like in therapy the way she's like talking 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:41.080 about the situation, and it's basically just up to people 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:43.280 to decide. It's like, well, when was she telling the truth? 1:24:43.680 --> 1:24:45.560 Was she telling the truth in this interview or was 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:47.360 she telling the truth on the witness stand when she 1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:50.400 recanted the way I canted, it was just like I 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:52.400 think it was just kind of obvious for people, you know, 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:56.599 the yeah, yeah, I think. 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:59.559 Pretty much basically because that's what I got from everybody 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:02.160 who actual it was there that was pretty much obvious 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:04.439 why she was recanting the statement. 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:10.640 Yeah. At one point I heard that they asked her 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:14.080 was Tory playing for her lawyer? 1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:19.600 Yeah, I think they did response to that, you know, 1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:21.280 I can't I can't remember exactly. 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:21.840 I'd have to. 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:23.120 I'd have to. 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:24.080 I think they have. 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:25.519 I think she said, I don't know. 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:27.240 I don't know. 1:25:27.720 --> 1:25:28.519 Yeah, I mean i'd have to. 1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:31.040 It's probably in my story. I haven't actually looked back 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:35.679 and read thoroughly my line crime story on Kelsey's testimony, 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:37.479 but it was pretty pretty detailed. 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:41.920 So body, do you think that if Tory had testified 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:42.719 it would have been different? 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:44.040 I'm not I'm not sure. 1:25:44.040 --> 1:25:45.760 I think it could have. I think he might as 1:25:45.800 --> 1:25:47.920 well have it. It's like a hail Mary. I mean 1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:50.479 I I kind of approach everything. And you'll learn this 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:55.519 old newsroom tradition is you vote your job, Like when 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:57.599 you're if you're deciding who to vote for an election, 1:25:57.720 --> 1:26:00.120 and you're a journalist who works in a newsroom, you 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:01.920 vote for the politician who's going to give you the 1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:04.320 best stories. So when people are like, oh, do you 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:06.439 think Tory should have testified, I'm like, well, it would 1:26:06.439 --> 1:26:08.440 have been a hell of a good story if you testified, 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:11.000 So of course I wanted him to testify. Whether it 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:13.439 would have like helped his case or not, I'm not 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:17.639 it he would have been It would have been tough, 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:19.560 and he could he would have been killed up on, 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:22.720 especially in cross them asking him about that phone call 1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:25.400 and everything, because the prosecutors would have been able to 1:26:25.520 --> 1:26:28.200 just like start playing that phone call for him and 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:29.200 just being like, oh, so, what. 1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:30.240 Did you mean when you said this? 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:34.000 Like, I mean, it would be he could have freaking 1:26:34.120 --> 1:26:36.960 killed and some other stuff too, I mean not just 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:38.960 the rap lyrics, but other stuff that they could have 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:40.800 asked him about like it. 1:26:41.880 --> 1:26:43.320 I don't. I don't think it probably would have been 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:44.759 a good idea for him to testify. 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:46.400 But it's also like, if you think you're going to 1:26:46.439 --> 1:26:49.040 get convicted, you know, might as well do a hail Mary, 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:49.680 But I don't. 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:50.920 I'm not sure if he thought he was going to 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:52.799 be convicted, what do you think. 1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:56.839 His chances of getting this bail and actually win an appeal, 1:26:57.000 --> 1:26:59.799 just based off your experience and knowledge of law. 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:05.080 Absolutely no chance for bail and five percent chance on appeal. 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:06.600 I mean, I don't want to just say no. 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:09.439 Chance on appeal because I haven't seen an opening brief 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.000 and I don't know what his issues are. But the 1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:14.400 issues that were raised in the motion for new trial 1:27:14.920 --> 1:27:17.759 aren't really any kind of big appellate issues. The lawyers 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:19.639 he has working for him don't really know what they're 1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:22.200 doing about California pellet law. I mean, this guy that 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:25.040 he has that passes himself off as some kind of 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:27.280 renown depellate lawyer has only been a lawyer. 1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:28.000 For like six years. 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:30.599 So I think it'll be a big question of whether 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.639 the appellate court, when they do issue they're ruling, whether 1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:37.040 the ruling is unpublished or published, because most of their 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:39.559 rulings are unpublished, and that I mean, they're still public 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:41.400 and you can see him on the website, but they 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:44.639 don't argue or cite any kind of new case law 1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:47.400 or findings, so it's not considered any kind of thing 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:52.120 that lawyers can cite in their rulings. So I think 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.639 it's probably unlike unlikely it'll even be a published opinion, 1:27:55.720 --> 1:27:57.280 you know. But we'll just see what the issues are. 1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:59.800 But I think this case is pretty much over for 1:28:00.479 --> 1:28:03.080 a long time until the four well the fourteenth, the 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:05.639 bail hearing, I mean, if that actually happens, but there's 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:07.200 zero chance he's gonna get bail. 1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:12.200 Well, I thank you so much for you know, coming 1:28:12.280 --> 1:28:15.120 and this probably we could probably do three more hours 1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:16.400 of conversation. 1:28:16.600 --> 1:28:18.400 Yeah, I'd be happy to. 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:21.880 I'm kind of I gotta do this YouTube live thing now. 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:25.080 Yeah, I'd be happy ahead. Please go ahead and do it. 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:29.519 But tell folks before you go how they can subscribe. 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:35.120 To your channels and your reporting, because now, in your independence, 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.919 you have sort of been forced to organize yourself. 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:41.720 Yes, yes, i am, I'm on. 1:28:41.920 --> 1:28:44.160 I'm a subscriber. I just became a subscriber. 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:46.640 Thank you so much, Thank you so much the paid subscriptions. 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:50.960 But uh, Legal Affairs and Trials dot com that's my 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:53.680 sub stack, and I've got a mailing list that I 1:28:53.840 --> 1:28:58.200 cover trials, legal issues in Los Angeles, some celebrity news, 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:03.599 but also some big high profile criminal cases, federal public 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:06.040 corruption cases. There's a lot of public corruption in LA. 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:09.799 I mean, if anyone sees the state of downtown Los Angeles, 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:13.599 you can find some politicians to blame. Because the US 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:16.280 Attorney's Office says that corruption is a way of life 1:29:16.360 --> 1:29:19.120 in LA politics, and they're trying to root it all out. 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:22.519 So there's been some pretty significant prison sentences handed down 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:24.800 to like a bel Air millionaire and that kind of 1:29:24.840 --> 1:29:27.080 thing recently, so I'm kind of trying to keep track 1:29:27.160 --> 1:29:30.120 of all that and YouTube too. I'm kind of trying 1:29:30.120 --> 1:29:33.679 to get into the YouTube. Megan qnif is my YouTube channel, 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:37.280 but substack is the big thing. I'm trying to get 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.920 into substack notes more to kind of replace Twitter. But 1:29:40.479 --> 1:29:41.400 you all can find me there. 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:44.720 Yeahs terrible for me. 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:48.240 I don't even go on and it's violence, yeah, because 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:53.200 I'm sure your future is beyond your understanding in terms 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:53.840 of where you're going. 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:56.720 And I just want to say on behalf of not 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:57.519 just black. 1:29:57.320 --> 1:30:00.479 Women, but black people, that I appreciate the fact that 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:03.800 you are not just covering our stories but also trying 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:07.080 to understand our history by reading the books and learning 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:09.920 the things and being accessible to those of us who 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:10.880 have reached out to you. 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:12.679 It means a lot. 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:17.200 And you know, it's hard to find trusted individuals to 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.640 cover our stories, and we just hope, you know, you 1:30:20.800 --> 1:30:23.400 continue to do what you're doing and even get better 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:27.080 and more. Whatever we can do to help increase your platform, 1:30:27.240 --> 1:30:28.679 we want to be able to we want. 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:31.280 To do that absolutely, Thank you so much. And that's 1:30:31.320 --> 1:30:34.000 one of the best advice I got is to be 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:38.439 an ally, like consider this monumental life experiences like a 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:41.120 catalyst for the rest of my life to be an 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:42.880 ally and keep working on that. 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:43.680 So thank you. 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:44.400 That means a lot. 1:30:44.880 --> 1:30:45.560 We're airline. 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:49.320 Just keep giving them credible information, you know, because it's 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:52.200 so hard to find that on this internet right now. 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.200 So you know, it was a breath of fresh air, 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:57.240 you know, just hearing you, just listening to you and 1:30:57.360 --> 1:31:00.280 just seeing that actually what you were saying at actually 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:03.439 played out in real life. It wasn't like listening to 1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:05.840 a lot of these people that just was just throwing 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:07.920 things at the wall trying to get something to stick. 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:12.320 So we really the professionalism that you come with awesome. 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:14.000 Well, thank you guys so much. It was awesome to 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:15.160 thank you. 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:20.920 Good interview. Lots of stuff left. 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:25.439 Un Yes, I wanted to ask about Kwan that because 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:27.840 I remember she posted that he walked into the courtroom 1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:31.400 the day, you know, of when it was the case 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:34.360 was over, Like how did that go? It was a 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:35.640 lot of things that I wanted to know, but she, 1:31:35.840 --> 1:31:39.479 for the most part, she gave us information man, a. 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.840 Lot of things left uncovered, and I see where there 1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:47.360 are people who are either die hard Tory Lanez fans, 1:31:47.920 --> 1:31:53.240 and or they are just biased or not biased. They 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:56.920 are traumatized from the history of black men and the 1:31:57.080 --> 1:32:00.400 system and all of that. I can see where they 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:05.320 found places that they could stick and say, no, you know, 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:08.880 this is not one hundred percent sure. But I can 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:12.160 tell you that in almost every case that I've ever 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:16.600 been involved with, it's never one hundred percent anything in 1:32:16.760 --> 1:32:20.200 court because it's time, it's later. It's not like court. 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:22.920 It's happened in the same night of an incident, so 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:26.720 the people have changed stories. Evidence doesn't always show up 1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:29.200 as it should. And to be quite honest, one of 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:31.920 the things that I think I'm hearing from this whole 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:37.800 scenario is that even the way the LAPD handled the 1:32:37.920 --> 1:32:42.280 situation is was shitty because of the fact that it 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:44.400 was a black woman who was shot or and or 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:48.240 who stepped on glass or whatever. Right, and and and 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:51.280 let's and let's keep in mind that the fact that 1:32:51.680 --> 1:32:54.559 the glass thing was even out there, and they are 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:56.960 not doctors, so they have no way of knowing that 1:32:57.040 --> 1:32:59.840 there would actually be bullet fragments found in her feet. 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.360 Later, they didn't really, it wasn't that serious. 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:04.799 And that's what they do with us as black people, 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:07.680 and of course with black women, it's like, uh, you 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:12.080 know whatever, we'll lose the bullet fragments at the hospital. 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:16.160 Nobody cares. They don't care to get everybody's DNA. Kwan 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:17.840 should have been he should have had to give a 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:21.880 DNA sample. All of that should have happened, and that 1:33:22.160 --> 1:33:24.719 makes people feel like they can't trust the system. 1:33:25.000 --> 1:33:27.679 But to Megan's point, there are many. 1:33:27.920 --> 1:33:32.320 Different pieces surrounding the whole thing that shows you what 1:33:32.560 --> 1:33:35.840 took place. And Sean Kelly, while he says there's flashes 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:39.040 that could be jury, it could be a whole lot 1:33:39.080 --> 1:33:41.599 of things. But the one thing that he was very 1:33:41.760 --> 1:33:45.680 clear about is a man standing over the door or 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:49.360 over something, and that there were a number of. 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:51.120 Shots that he saw. 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:55.040 He kep He continuously said that he never changed that 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:57.000 he said he saw flashes. 1:33:57.240 --> 1:34:00.439 He thought maybe, but he absolutely. 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:03.960 We saw a man with the gun over the thing. 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:06.599 And the number of shots that he said he heard 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:11.160 were consistent with the ring bells. And so for people 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:14.760 who keep trying to make the case that Kelsey was 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:17.200 shooting first and then he might have grabbed a gun. 1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:21.439 The sound doesn't go pop hop or pop, and then 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:24.439 there's a long time in between and then all of 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:28.080 a sudden pop hoop or it again it is pop 1:34:28.200 --> 1:34:31.000 pop pop pop pop, and I think five. It's either 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:35.000 four or five shots. And the man always said that 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:38.360 he saw someone do that. So either what people are 1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:40.560 trying to say is that there was ten shots or 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:42.800 seven or eight or three be didn't here or two 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:45.599 we didn't here and then a space and then more 1:34:46.280 --> 1:34:49.320 or the bottom line is what it is that the 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:53.360 man shot at the ground, more than likely trying to 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:57.040 be stupid, just I'm a pop pop up at the 1:34:57.080 --> 1:35:00.360 ground to try to put fear in her and it 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:03.080 ricocheted and fragments hit her foot. 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:07.280 That's what happened, I mean allegedly, But for me, no, 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:13.160 it's not allegedly. I mean based on convicted of something. 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:16.680 People don't have to say allegedly because you've actually been 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:17.479 convicted of it. 1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:20.840 Now for me, coming from where I come from, knowing 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:22.880 that a man has an appeal, I don't. 1:35:23.240 --> 1:35:25.040 I don't know that to be true. That was the 1:35:25.240 --> 1:35:31.160 that was the that was the the testimony of the person. 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:34.320 So allegedly it could be true, whatever it is. What 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:38.559 I say is this, you know, this situation got out 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:41.040 of hand and it went further than it should have, 1:35:41.520 --> 1:35:43.720 and I blame I think, I say all the time 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:46.800 that Toy put itself in this situation. You know, when 1:35:46.840 --> 1:35:48.760 you look from the beginning and when you even when 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:53.120 you talk about how you know the police did a 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:56.000 bad job, I don't. I think the police did the 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:59.760 job based on they seen three people together that look 1:35:59.880 --> 1:36:02.519 like four people together that look like they probably had 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:05.639 a situation that nobody really wanted to give up any information, 1:36:05.760 --> 1:36:06.360 so they didn't. 1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:07.679 They didn't pry. It's hard. 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:11.360 They didn't think there was a situation that merited them saying, look, 1:36:11.360 --> 1:36:12.880 we're trying to we gotta lock somebody up. 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:13.840 We found somebody with a gun. 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:17.759 Okay, cool, that's that's the furthest we're gonna take this situation. 1:36:17.880 --> 1:36:20.240 They didn't the rest of the dynamics wasn't something that 1:36:20.320 --> 1:36:23.280 they looked into. This gun was under this person's car, 1:36:23.600 --> 1:36:25.800 But when we're gonna arrest this person for the gun, 1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:27.360 They didn't think about all of the rest of the 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:33.000 intangible situation. And I think that Torri's ego and the 1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:37.120 way that he you know, he carried on in on 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:40.559 social media and in the media, caused a woman who 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:43.600 was actually trying to protect him to feel like, you 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:45.640 know what, I can't. I don't want to protect him 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:49.160 no more because the level of defamation that he's doing 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:52.519 to me, I don't feel protected. And I think, you know, 1:36:52.920 --> 1:36:55.960 although I don't think she should have been shot of anything, 1:36:56.040 --> 1:36:58.559 but I think I really don't think that she wanted, 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:02.280 she had any initial you know, want to put the 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:05.320 man in jail. I think they did have a friendship, relationship, 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:08.000 whatever it was, and even though at that point it 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:11.720 probably was over, I didn't I don't think immediately she 1:37:11.880 --> 1:37:14.400 wanted to go forward with putting that man in jail. 1:37:14.400 --> 1:37:16.360 And I think I think the things that he did 1:37:16.560 --> 1:37:20.160 after that night contributed to his own demise, you know, 1:37:20.360 --> 1:37:22.960 And and that's why we're here and based on that, 1:37:23.439 --> 1:37:25.120 you know, my, my, my. 1:37:25.520 --> 1:37:27.400 I don't get it, man, I just I just don't 1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:29.679 get why while we hate. 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:33.080 Us, you know, you know, Malcolm X get it, I 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:33.479 get it. 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:35.639 I don't. 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:38.400 I really don't, Minchael, who taught you to hate yourself? 1:37:38.439 --> 1:37:40.640 When when I look at all of these situations that 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:43.599 we talked about today, you know, from the woman who's 1:37:43.640 --> 1:37:48.000 got hit with the brick, to Spice and Erika Manna 1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:53.719 to Tory Lanez and and and Megan's Desallian. It comes 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:57.519 back to self hate, right. It comes back to people 1:37:57.600 --> 1:38:01.720 who are harmed, people who have been wrong shot, hit 1:38:01.840 --> 1:38:06.360 with bricks, disrespected, racial slurves, all three. The people who 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:12.080 are actually had something done to them are actually being villainized, right. 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:14.439 And it's sad to me that black women have to 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:15.160 deal with this shit. 1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:17.479 It really is. Like I never used to. 1:38:17.439 --> 1:38:19.679 Say, like we always had conversation I used to debate 1:38:19.800 --> 1:38:22.439 y'all down, like, nah, you don't understand what black men 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:25.280 go through telling you this, and now you don't understand. 1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:28.200 And I used to and I will argue you down. 1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:32.800 And over years I started to really see the level 1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:35.800 of bias and the level of disrespect that black women 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:40.160 actually feel and actually experience on a daily basis. You 1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:43.920 know that the neglect, it's just it's mind boggling. The 1:38:43.960 --> 1:38:46.000 shit that I'm actually able to see now is just 1:38:46.200 --> 1:38:49.560 mind boggling to me. It's mind boggling to me that 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:54.519 regardless of evidence that could be shown or anything, people 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:59.280 will justify harm and disrespect that comes to black women. 1:38:59.400 --> 1:39:02.200 Man. So I don't I don't understand how how we 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:04.240 got that far and self hate. 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:09.120 I don't understand how, you know, a culture that was 1:39:09.200 --> 1:39:11.920 so unified at once, you know, a culture that was 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:14.720 even after stay we were we were one of the 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:19.400 main you know, the main fundamental values of our culture 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:22.000 was to protect our children and our women. That's what 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:23.920 it was built on. You know, the black women has 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:27.120 always been a foundation of our culture. And I don't 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:29.360 know how we moved so far away from that, man. 1:39:29.400 --> 1:39:31.320 And I really just don't get that. 1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:34.479 I mean, God bless us what some of us are 1:39:34.520 --> 1:39:36.000 going to continue to sound me along? 1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:39.439 So some of us gonna always stand up for black women. 1:39:39.479 --> 1:39:40.800 Y'all always got to ally for me. 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:44.040 Just know we appreciate you black men, and we have 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:47.360 been and will continue. We have been and will continue 1:39:47.400 --> 1:39:50.000 to stand up for black men as well. And you know, 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:53.160 as time goes on, the more we educate people, they 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:56.000 come along. We lose, some, win some, but we win many. 1:39:56.080 --> 1:39:56.240 Men. 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.600 With that said, I'm not gonna always be right to 1:39:59.680 --> 1:40:02.880 me get malories. I can always be wrong, were both 1:40:03.000 --> 1:40:06.120 always and always I mean always be authentic. 1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:07.000 Peace. 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:13.280 Listen, to Street Politicians on the Black Effect Network on iHeartRadio, and. 1:40:13.400 --> 1:40:15.720 Catch us every single Wednesday for the video version of 1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:17.880 Street Politicians on iwomen dot tv. 1:40:18.280 --> 1:40:19.160 That's how we owned