1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Body Dots with Joseph's gotten more. I get messages all 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: the time from people that tell some of the most 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: tragic stories. I wish that I could go and provide 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: answers to people. I wish I had a whole staff 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: of people that I could have take a look at 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: cases on my behalf and kind of filter them to 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: me where I can. But it's an empirical impossibility. I wish, 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: I wish. I wish there has been a case now 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: that has been I guess dogging us for some time 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: where there is a marked level of interest, certainly on 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: the behalf of the authorities in Los Angeles, California, hopefully 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: on the part of the family, and we might have 13 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: a crack in the wall. Finally, we might have a 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: little beam of light at shining through. Because now, for 15 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: the first time in a very long time, a suspect 16 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: has been identified in the Celeste Grievous Hernandez death investigation. 17 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Let's kind of open the book and take this step 18 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: by step, just like we should with any forensic investigation, 19 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: and see what we know versus what we suspect. I'm 20 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Josephcott Morgan and this is Bodybacks Dave. I'm going to 21 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: go ahead, brother and open up us saying, and I 22 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: think that you will probably concur with me on this. 23 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: We've got so much to go over. This is going 24 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: to be a two part Okay, We've got to do 25 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: this because this thing is so wonky and so bizarre. 26 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, at least in my recollection that we've 27 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: ever covered a case like this that has kind of 28 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: drug on yeah, for so many months now, And. 29 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: In reality, we're starting in the middle. To begin this story, 30 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: you have to start in the middle, and then you 31 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: go backwards and forwards from there. As we begin, Yeah, 32 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: no arrest has been made, right, no official person of 33 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: interest or suspect, not officially speaking. Unofficially, yes, So the 34 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: story of Celeste Reeves from our standpoint, begins with a 35 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: body being found in a car in the front of 36 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 2: a Tesla that is in an impound lot in La 37 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: in the Hollywood Hills. So that's where we start. And 38 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: the first time I covered this case was right after 39 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: because well, again you've got a body, a decomposing, dismembered 40 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: corpse in a bag found in the front the front 41 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: trunk of a twenty twenty three Tesla Model Y and 42 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: the story begins to break there because that's just not 43 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: a normal occurrence. And second of all, it was not 44 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: only just Tesla, it was an abandoned Tesla. So the 45 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: coverage starts there, so immediately who owned the car? I mean, 46 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: you've got an abandoned Tesla. It's a high end model 47 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: that doesn't these cars don't just get abandoned in the 48 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Hollywood Hills, and it gets abandoned in a neighborhood where 49 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: there's homes that rent for twenty thousand dollars a pop 50 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: a month. 51 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: You have this. What's so weird about this, Dave, is 52 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: that you've literally got, as you mentioned, a high end 53 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: car that is a very Tesla is unlike anything else, 54 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: are a very personal car, you know. It's it's not 55 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: like something we can go down and buy some rattle trap, 56 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, down and used car lot. This is something 57 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: that's very specific to people, you know, with biometrics and 58 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: everything else. And to abandon a car. Oh, we forgot 59 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: to mention this with Texas plates. By the way, that's 60 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: banged up, it's dirty, and you've got houses through that 61 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: area that rent for thousands and thousands of dollars per month. 62 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: It's going to get noticed, and that's you know, going back, 63 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: that's one of the weird things. 64 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: That's where it all picks up. That's why I said 65 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: we're starting in the middle, because the story begins with 66 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: the finding of a body in a car again a 67 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: Tesla that has been impounded because it was labeled abandon 68 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: So you've got so many weird things already beginning right there, 69 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: abandoned tesla in the Hollywood Hills, right in front of 70 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: a house that rents for twenty thousand dollars a month. Yeah, 71 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: this is too much. So that's where we start now. 72 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: We started coverage on this story because the vehicle with 73 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: the Texas plates, dirty with dents that was left abandoned 74 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: actually was registered to a young man, a twenty year 75 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: old man named David Anthony Burke, who goes by then. 76 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: He's an up and coming singer. He's had a number 77 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: of hits. He has even had a song that has 78 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: been heard over it has been downloaded or no has 79 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: been heard I think a billion times. It's one of 80 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: those things, a billion. Yeah, he's actually in that. He's 81 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: a new artist, a new star. David Anthony Burke goes 82 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: by the made up name of D four VD it's 83 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: pronounced David, but the letter D, the number four, and 84 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: the letter VD okay, pronounced david. But for all intents 85 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 2: and purposes, don't like to call a suspect or somebody 86 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: like that by their first name. Easier to just refer 87 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: to him as Burke because I don't want to call 88 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: him D four V D. I mean, it sounds like 89 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: it just sounds like a newly formed sexually transmitted disease. 90 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's. 91 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: Got D four VD. 92 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: Yeah kind of yeah, it's kind of a. 93 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, much worse than D two or D three. It's 94 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: D four B D yeah. 95 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, And what a what a bizarre 96 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, And there's all these kind of bizarre nomenclatures 97 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: like that, you know, that are out there, and you 98 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: know it's an old guy. I can't make sense of it. 99 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 100 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: The artist formerly known as Prince. 101 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. 102 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: But the thing is, he's got a name. And the 103 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: reason the story catches wind is because it's a tesla. 104 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: It's looking like it's abandoned. It's tied to these Texas 105 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: plates registered to the new artist, who, by the way, 106 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: the reason he's not there, he's on his first world 107 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: tour promoting his first full length album called WITHERD and 108 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: he's on He's that's what he's doing when this body 109 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: is found in his car. Now, I want to point 110 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: something out D four VD. Mister Burke did not make 111 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: a public announcement. What the heck was my car doing 112 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: on the street abandoned? Why didn't my agent, manager or 113 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: somebody in my inner circle take care of this vehicle? 114 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Who's the person found? He didn't say anything, Joe, he 115 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: said nothing. Now, if I'm gonna be honest, if somebody 116 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: found a dead body in your car, you're at the 117 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: beach on vacation, okay, and it's in Jacksonville, Alabama, right 118 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: there off campus, and somebody finds a dead body in 119 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: your car, are you not going to have an announcement? 120 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: I feel so bad for the family. How did this happen? 121 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: Who had my car? I mean, you'd be freaking out, 122 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't you. 123 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be looking for a microphone to 124 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: get in front of because you and I are are 125 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: advocates for the dead and families. I want to look 126 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: if my property is involved in it some way. I 127 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: want to get answers answers for that family that had 128 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: been impacted by this. Yeah, you know, it's like one 129 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: of these things you want to go up on the 130 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: rooftop and shout it from there. You know, not my innocence, 131 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: but it's like, let's get answers to find out what happened. 132 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: Because you would be innocent, Joe, you would be coming 133 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: in from somebody stuffed a dead body in my car 134 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: and left my car on the street while I'm out 135 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: of town on this first world tour. Come on the 136 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: thing is the owner of that vehicle still hasn't said anything. No, so, yeah, 137 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: they don't identify the body right away, but tell me 138 00:08:54,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Joseph's goot, Morgan the car who was impounded, it had 139 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: the pound the car, meaning it's it's towed because it 140 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: had been marked a couple of times in the neighborhood. 141 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: A neighbor reports it, we got this dingy car, you know, 142 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: a dirty is sitting here for you know, weeks. Finally 143 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: the cops come out. They mark it on one day, 144 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: they come back because you have a certain number of 145 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: days to move your car, and they marked the wheels, 146 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: and when it hadn't been moved, they called the tow truck, 147 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: and they impounded the vehicle. They didn't have toe it 148 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: far from where they got it. They take it to 149 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: an impound lot. The next day after it arrives. The stench, 150 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: the smell, actually not the next day, it was three days. 151 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: It came into the September fifth, September seventh, or eight. 152 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: They actually start smelling something, and the guys on the lot, 153 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: you know, hey, where's the smell coming from. It's coming 154 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: from that tesla. Call the cops. Something's in there now, Joe, 155 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: You've had many people say to you and publicly that 156 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: a dead body has a very specific smell. You do 157 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: not forget. Is that true? 158 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? It does, and you have to contextualize it at 159 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: that moment, Tom, because I've got to tell you for 160 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: me personally, if if I were to just blindly be 161 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: taken to a field, okay, and maybe behind just a wall, okay, 162 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: in a field, and I've got a decomposing human, a 163 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: decomposing cow, and a decomposing deer, all right, I cannot 164 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: stand there and differentiate between the smells. And let's say 165 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: there's some distance apart where I would have to walk 166 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: up to that area. You could blindfold me or whatever 167 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to walk in between them. It's not discernible 168 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: even for me, even though I've been around decomposing bodies 169 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: most of my life adult life, and I'd say probably 170 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: close to probably about thirty thirty percent of the body 171 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: that I handled in the field where at least to 172 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: some degree decomposed. Some would be more advanced than others. 173 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: So you know, it's just it's not something you can 174 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: necessarily discern. What you can discern, is it something's wrong 175 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: that you have this stench that's in the air. Here's 176 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: another thing. That's one of the reasons you wind up 177 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: with an infestation of flies, right Because I know this 178 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: sounds very callous, but the idea is that when the 179 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: smell begins to leach out into the air, it's like 180 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: ringing a dinner bell for nature. You know, nature does 181 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: not discriminate in this area. As a matter of fact, 182 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: they're not put off by it. There's huge groups of 183 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: animals within the animal kingdom that are drawn to it, 184 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: particularly scavengers, you know. 185 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: But in the city street in Hollywood. 186 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Hill, Yeah, that's an intest point because you know, the 187 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: one thing that you know about these people out in 188 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: la they're a different breed and you start to get 189 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: into the thin air financially. You know, with these kind 190 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: of people, one thing they do love is their doggies, 191 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: and they love to take these doggies on walks. And 192 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining that's That's one of the curious things 193 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: about this, David. You know, if you've got the local 194 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: residents that are walking walking by this area, why why 195 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: is the why are they not picking up on the 196 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: stension there? 197 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: How long does it take? 198 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: Well, you have to be very specific about the location because, 199 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: as you and I have discussed extensively, you know, environment's 200 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: going to dictate everything. And here's the thing, Dave. On record, 201 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: this was one of the hottest periods certainly of this 202 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: past year. And if I remember correctly, I heard somebody 203 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: at some point time, and don't ask me for the day, 204 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember if you looked at thisarticular time. I 205 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: think the body was discovered in August of twenty twenty five, 206 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, September, September, I'm sorry. Yeah, Well, 207 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: so to get their number right, yeah, yeah, please go ahead, 208 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: that's very important. 209 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I'm wondering, because the body or 210 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: the car is marked and impounded and towed away on 211 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: September the fifth. On September the eighth, three days on 212 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: the lot. Police are called because there is a horrible 213 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: smell coming from the cars, so it hit. That's why 214 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: I was wondering why I meant. 215 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: I've got to I've got an answer for this. 216 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: As a cop was marking it a couple of days 217 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: in the streets. 218 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: Just let me jump right in here, peez on this once. 219 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: This car, this vehicle, all right, is in motion and 220 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: it has been and I'm not sure if they hooked 221 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: it up to a tow truck or if they flatbeded 222 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: the thing. Okay, either way, there is going to be 223 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Joscelyn that's going on. And hold on to your hat here, 224 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: because this is this is particularly disgusting. Okay, back to 225 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: my point, this time of year. I'm not saying it's 226 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: set records, but if over a ten year period, this 227 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: particular marker in time when the body was found was 228 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: one of the hottest times on record in La over 229 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: like this past ten years, it was you know, in 230 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: the top you know, three or whatever. Heat speeds things 231 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: up and it really makes things degrade. If the body 232 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: contained within this car we're in bags, a bag in bags. 233 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Guess what's building up in the bag? Day fluid. So 234 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: when you you winch a car up onto up onto 235 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: a flatbed, or even more so, if you hook one 236 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: of these, you know, record things up underneath it. Forgive me, 237 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not a record professional. I can't remember 238 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: the name of the apparatus. I like to watch them work. 239 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. I've got enough little boy in 240 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: me to still be fascinated by. As you're jostling down 241 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: the road, you can rupture those bags. And if you 242 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: rupture those bags, that fluid will begin to seep, and 243 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: it can be and again, not knowing about the surface 244 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: area perfectly, I think that there's a lot of plastic 245 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: in there. But even in plastic areas, let's say that 246 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: it's lined out in the tesla, you're going to get 247 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: this see pitch. As it begins to seep. Not only 248 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: is the liquid going to leach out, but smell is 249 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: going to leach out, and you go longer and longer 250 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: in three days out there. And this would be a 251 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: newer area they're probably putting. I say newer, it would 252 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: have to be an empty space, right, So a previously 253 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: occupied space. Maybe it's distal you first off. You know, 254 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: after three days, finally somebody walks by this thing and 255 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my lord, what in the world is this? 256 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: And this lot has to be visited by cops on 257 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: a regular basis because I think that they they're probably 258 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: contracted by LAPD or their traffic division or whoever to 259 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: take care of abandoned vehicles. And you know, there's going 260 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: to be criminal charges that are associated with this as 261 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: far as like ticketing and all that kind of stuff 262 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: that people have to go through. If somebody is walking 263 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: by and they catch a whiff of this scene, brother, 264 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: it's going to knock you to your knees. I mean 265 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: it will, particularly for civilians that are not used to it. 266 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: But even for me, as callous as I am to 267 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: these sorts of things, it's going to get my attention. 268 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. You know, I might not 269 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: say there's a dead body in the car, but what 270 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: I will say is you've got some something in there 271 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: that is decomposing. And I don't think it's like chicken 272 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: that you've forgotten that you picked up at the grocery 273 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: store and just left in there. And I think all 274 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: of us have experienced that unfortunate circumstance. You know, you 275 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: have something in the car, fell out of a bag 276 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: and it begins to rote. I can tell you this, 277 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: a deceased animal human that is rotting. Is if you 278 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: think bad chicken is bad that's rolled under your seat 279 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: or whatever. Ain't got nothing on dead body, all right, 280 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: or any other kind of dead animal. It trumps that. 281 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: But my lord, when they finally called the cops out there, Dave, 282 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: and they cracked this thing open. And here's another thing. 283 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated by the mechanism with the Tesla. And 284 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: I know this seems very passe, if you will, I'm 285 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: just fascinated, not knowing enough about Tesla's How do you 286 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: disengage the front lock on the thing? How do you 287 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: get this thing open? Is there some way you can 288 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: bypass the electrical system? Do they get a pry bar out? 289 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I wish somebody would educate me 290 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: about this, because you know, inquiring minds want to know. 291 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: But I know this, when they got into that trunk, 292 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee you that what they saw may 293 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: have been the consistency a soup. Dave mc brother I 294 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: tell you, if I've got a car with a rotting 295 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: human remain in it, I think my big question is 296 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: from the beginning, is not necessarily who the person is 297 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: from Jump Street that's decomposed of the car. I think 298 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: one of my of the big questions is who owns 299 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: this car? You know, who's honey is in that seat 300 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: behind the wheel, who's the person that has the papers 301 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: on the car? Because I think that that's you know 302 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: that that's a big mystery because and again going back 303 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: to this the uniqueness of a Tesla. Remember you said 304 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: early on that the Tesla is one of the things. 305 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if they had said, let's just say they 306 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: said Chevy and Palla, right, you think that we would 307 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: be as intrigued right now if as opposed to Tesla. 308 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: There's something about it because there's this like and it's 309 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: a principle in forensics, it's individualization. Who's the car belonged to? 310 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: And why on this street? 311 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 2: Why is there a dead body in it? 312 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: You know? 313 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: So now let's start with the car, because the thing 314 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: that really got a lot of attention, of course, was 315 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: you mentioned it is a Tesla. It's a twenty twenty 316 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: three model line and first things first, it's an expensive 317 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: car and it's being told because it's abandoned. Okay, you've 318 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: got an abandoned Hesla in the Hollywood Hills that immediately 319 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 2: is starting the discussion what kind of person leaves an 320 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: abandoned six figure car? You know that doesn't happen in 321 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: our world, right, So who owned? So they you mentioned 322 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: early on Texas license plate, so we know that they 323 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: start digging into who owns this car. Well, it's registered 324 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: to David Anthony Burke, the artist known as D four VD, 325 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: and is registered in Texas because that's where he's from. 326 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: So we got that identity set. We now know who 327 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: owns the vehicle. But it was called abandoned Joe. It 328 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 2: had been in the same area for some time, and 329 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: we know that the vehicle wasn't parked and left in 330 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: the same spot for months on end. It was parked 331 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: in several different spots around pretty much around this one 332 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: big mansion now houses in the Hollywood Hills, calling them mansions. 333 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: It's it's kind of a common thing. This is a 334 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: house that rented for twenty thousand dollars a month. And 335 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 2: when you looked at where this car had been parked. 336 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't. The place where it was actually towed from 337 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: was merely the last place that it had been moved, 338 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: but it had been reported by neighbors in other areas 339 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: along Bluebird Lane over the course of weeks. What we 340 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: have been able to find out is that the car 341 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: was moved several times until it stopped moving on July 342 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: twenty ninth. So from July twenty nine to August twenty six, 343 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: this car does not move, and somebody living in this 344 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: expensive neighborhood says, this car has not moved. It's dirty, 345 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: it's got dense. I don't want this in my hood, man, 346 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: get it out of here. It doesn't one of these 347 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: things doesn't belong here. One of these things just doesn't belong. 348 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: Get that car off Sesame Street. So the cops come 349 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: out and they tag it. They mark, you know, they 350 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: tag it, got to move your car, and they mark 351 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: the tires. They marked tire placement to know whether it's 352 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: been moved or not. And when they come back two 353 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: days later, well, it hasn't been moved. So finally they 354 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: make the call and have it towed. Now at the 355 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: point of being towed. Justine Scott Morgan, the registered owner 356 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: of the vehicle, David Anthony Burke. He has been living 357 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: in a house right there when I'm pointing, because it's 358 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: that close to the house that he was renting for 359 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars a month. But I want to be 360 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: clear here. It is a home that was rented by 361 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: David Anthony Burke's manager. The manager rented it for David 362 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: Burke to live in and his small little crew of friends. 363 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: So Burke is residing in this house, and it's a 364 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: car registered to him that had been moved several times 365 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood until it stopped moving on July twenty ninth. 366 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: Now it was last move that day, and there is 367 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: video surveillance footage showing the car moving to that spot 368 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: and never moving again. July twenty ninth is the day 369 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: that David Anthony Burke began his world tour for the 370 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: Withered album, and he was in San Francisco that night. 371 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: So we have an identity surrounding the vehicle, the time 372 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: it's last moved and the time that it's picked up 373 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: by cops. So whatever happened to it before July twenty ninth, 374 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: it was moved in several parts along the street. But 375 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: now it goes back to Joe. They know that whatever 376 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: was in the car July twenty ninth remained in the 377 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: car until police uncovered. You know, we're called to the 378 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: lot and the only thing we know is is registered 379 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: to Burke. He was living in that house and now 380 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 2: there's a dead body in it. And by the way, 381 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: even though we have identify that he's the owner, that 382 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: he's on this world tour, he still has not made 383 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: a public announcement about a body being found in a 384 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: car registered to him. 385 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many questions because once you get 386 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: into the car itself and you crack that trunk and 387 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: you visualize all that remains in there, you know, you 388 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: begin to ask questions. First off, let's just say, hypothetically, 389 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: if you had somebody, you had somebody that crawls inside 390 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: of a trunk and closes it behind themselves. Okay, is 391 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: it plausible somebody could die inside of a trunk after 392 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: doing that? Well, yeah, to the fifth power, yeah it 393 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: could happen. It has happened over the years. You've got 394 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: a confined space, you might have limited oxygen, it might 395 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: be insufficient for life. You could have somebody that would 396 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: heat stroking there. Okay, that has hyperthermia. You could certainly 397 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: have somebody that could be banging on this thing and 398 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: no one ever comes to your rescue. How horrible would 399 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: that be? They're dehydrating. But here's here's the bigger question. 400 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: If you have a person that does that, they're not 401 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: going to be bagged. Okay, that's just yeah. 402 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: I didn't crawl in a bag and seal myself in it. 403 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: No, And so you have to think about somebody facilitated that. 404 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: You know, that's that would be if you would think 405 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: that somebody would do that, that would be so far 406 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: outside the norm. And yes, in fact, we do have 407 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: a norm that we go by in forensics. There is 408 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: a baseline, you know, of what would be normal behavior 409 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: in very abnormal circumstances. Placing your own self into a 410 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: bag is not normal, all right, So we begin to thinking, 411 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: we hear initially, we're hearing you know that when the 412 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: body is recovered, and we've never been able to We've 413 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: never truly been able to validate this statement. And this 414 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: is important here for everybody concerned. We don't know what 415 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: the status of the body is because we've heard several 416 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: several things where let's say unidentified sources that the police 417 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: department have said that the body is is in fact 418 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: has been dismembered, and just just to dismember a body. 419 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: The process of dismemberment is an action word. Okay. That 420 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: means that if you're saying that, if you're if you're 421 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: an authority, and you're saying that a dismemberment has actually 422 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: taken place, that means that somebody put cold steel to 423 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: the body. Okay, because bodies don't just of their own 424 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: volition fall apart like that. That's a very specific identifier. 425 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: So I think that it's really key here to begin 426 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: to try to understand what the status of the body 427 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: is that's in a bag. So my question, I think 428 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: my big question is when you observe the body. I 429 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: had a kid say the other day, how do I 430 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: actualize this? I'd never I think I've heard that term before. 431 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: And actualize it's kind of a fancy way of saying 432 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: looking at something or examining something without saying examining something. 433 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: So if you're actualizing the body, you have to think, 434 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: if we're talking about a process of dismemberment, brother, we 435 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: know that it didn't take place in a Tesla Fronk 436 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: that points us somewhere else. So when we begin to 437 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: put two and two together, this seems rather simplistic, but 438 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: you have to as you said, we're starting in the middle. 439 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: We kind of have to work backwards and then go forwards. 440 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: The police at this point in time, if you've got 441 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: somebody's domicile in this area they belong to the car, 442 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: you're left with no other choice. At that point, you're 443 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: going to have to explore where the individual's domicile day. 444 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: But they got to identify the person first. And now 445 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: let me ask you this, because we have heard severely 446 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: decomposing body, yeah, dismembered if a body. Let's just let 447 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: me let me play this. Let's say that this person 448 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: dies in their sleep of sleep apneon, the heart stops 449 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: and they and friends find her dead body the next morning. 450 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: They didn't, but they're panicked because they don't know what 451 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: to do. They're afraid they'll be accused of something, and 452 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: so they know they didn't kill her, but they don't 453 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: know what to do. So they put her in a 454 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: bag and just put her in the trunk until I 455 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: figure out what to do, you know, And as the 456 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: days go on, at out of side, out of mind. Hey, yeah, 457 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: I better move the car and people are going to 458 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: get tired of it. Movie again, and then hey, I 459 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: can get out of town. I got to do this 460 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: concert tour. Well, don't worry about we'll take care of 461 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: this when we get back, all right. Is it possible 462 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: that it be that a decomposing body, a dead body 463 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: placed in a bag as it decomposes, could it disarticulate 464 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: on its own and appear to be dismembered when it's not, 465 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: when it's not been dismembered. 466 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: Excellent question. Uh, And that's going to take some tom 467 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: It's going to take some time for this so called disarticulation. 468 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: This natural disarticulation take place a protracted period of time. 469 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. That's why I go back 470 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: and when I'm thinking dismemberment and saying that that's an 471 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: action word, that's a process that you have to go 472 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: through to segment the body, and bodies can in fact 473 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: fall apart. I've seen it happen. I've actually had bodies 474 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: on scenes and this happens a lot. I've had desks 475 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: over the years in bathtubs where there was bath water 476 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: drawn and a person has a heart attacking about them 477 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: for some reason. It's happened to me a lot two 478 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: things here. When you grab a wet body like that, 479 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: many times you don't realize how much pounds of force 480 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: you're placing to the skin is very fragile. It will 481 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: literally collapse the skin as you grip it your hand, 482 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: as you grip it to pull, the body will actually 483 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: the skin will cave in. If you will, it'll you'll 484 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: create kind of a depressed laceration in that space where 485 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: you press down. And I've actually driven my fingers, not 486 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: intentionally driven my fingers all the way to the bony, 487 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: the bony surfaces below. It's that fragile. And yes, I 488 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: have had bodies where I have begun and I'm trying 489 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: to be careful because these bodies are very fragile when 490 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm pulling them. I've literally had hands become detached at 491 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: the wrist, the elbow, and the shoulder on different different events. 492 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: And I could feel with the shoulder it's this. Your 493 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: shoulder is very complex in the structure itself. Just asking 494 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: any you know orthopedic surgeon, very complex to get this 495 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: thing to disarticulate of its own. It's kind of a chore, 496 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: but it can in fact pull apart. Now I've never 497 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: had a leg come apart like that. But what we're 498 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: talking about here is you're observing the body, you know, 499 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: actualizing the body in certain laughter, laugh track. 500 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: Just that Why if you end up taking Professor Joe 501 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: Scott Morgan's class at Jacksonville State University used real words, 502 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: don't make up something to make yourself sound smart. He's 503 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: already been there, done. 504 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: No. 505 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: I love language, but that's my new word. I know 506 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: you love language, but it's like I do, okay looking 507 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: at something or actualizing it. 508 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: So you're pulling this, you know you're pulling, you're pulling 509 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: this apart. Well, how long would it take to happen 510 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: on its own? I think that it would. It would 511 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: take a protracted period of time. And here's and again 512 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: my my supposition here is when you open the trunk, 513 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: whoever first laid eyes on this, when you open the trunk, 514 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: was a body in pieces? Was it in pieces? I mean, 515 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: obviously we can say that the body is decomposing. Smell 516 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: is going to you know, it's like the mood the 517 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: song Thriller. You remember Vincent Price that's doing the voice 518 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: over and he says the funk of forty thousand years. 519 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's that that smell. It comes 520 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: out in a wave and it hits you in the face. 521 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: You think it smells bad outside of the trunk, but 522 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: when you lift that trunk lit, it's like, oh, I'm 523 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: always fascinated when I see that. In the movies, you know, 524 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: people come across decomposing and remain and you can see 525 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: the reaction of the actors on the face and they 526 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: actually do a pretty good job with that. I've had 527 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: that happen before, where it's really it seems intense outside 528 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: the door or in a closed space. You open up 529 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: that closed space and it's like it's a living entity 530 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: that's waiting inside of that kind of reaches out at 531 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: you and like assault your nose. But again, moving away 532 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: from the sense of smell and what you're visualizing, what 533 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: exactly did our finder see upon opening that trunk was 534 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: the body in pieces because it has fallen apart, and 535 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: there are cases where heads actually do come detached from 536 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: bodies as a result of having been around. And this 537 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: is a protected space, David, It's not like, Okay, yes, 538 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: flies can get in there. Yeah, you think that they can't. 539 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: They can get in. Trust me. You can have larval 540 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: development and all that stuff, even though you think that 541 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: it's sealed tight. But the one thing you don't have 542 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: is avager activity like with dogs where they're pulling and 543 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: dogs will pull it bodies like that and they will, 544 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, facilitate the disarticulation. You don't have that here. 545 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: So this body, this body again going back to dismemberment, 546 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: was it in that state when it was placed in 547 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: the trunk? And how many separate containers or bags or 548 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: whatever they want to call it? Was it placed in 549 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: day David Burke, Well, we've established that he owns the car, 550 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: we've established that he's domiciled there in the Hollywood Hills. 551 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: The big mystery remains is who is this? And you know, 552 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: if you can my I always say if I can, 553 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: all investigations begin with identity. If I can find out 554 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: who a person is, I can unravel the riddle at 555 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: that point in time, because you have starting place. If 556 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: I just have an unknown person, it makes it much 557 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: more difficult because I know nothing about the history onics 558 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: around this, what kind of life was led? I have 559 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: no idea. You know, you just come across a body 560 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: that's laying out there. But in this case, Dave, they 561 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: were in fact able to identify this body. You know, 562 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: within what three, no, ten days? It took ten days, right, 563 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: ten days, from the moment that we're at the car 564 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: park or the inpound lot to the point when they say, okay, 565 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: we've got it and it you know, it turns out 566 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: to be a very young girl. This is a child, 567 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: a very young child, and she's this child has been missing. 568 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: It has been missing now for a protracted period of time. 569 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: Joe, let me ask you, because when we get the 570 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 2: bags out of the car, the boy that sounds so horrible. 571 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 2: I feel horrible for talking about it like this. But 572 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: we don't know who the body is. We know that 573 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: it's severely decomposed, and we find out early on dismembered, 574 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: and so we don't know everything they saw. We have 575 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: to assume some things that they saw. But what do 576 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 2: you do because the body is not you're not taking 577 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: it out on the scene and rolling it out there 578 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: on the pavement saying what do we have here that 579 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 2: they're going to have to transport whatever they have found, 580 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: which again severely decomposed. Course, and you mentioned kind of stewish, 581 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 2: How do you move it? What do we how do 582 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 2: you get it from where you are in the parking 583 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 2: lot in the front of a tesla back to an 584 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: actual clean place where you can look at it? And 585 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: what are you? Where do you with that? 586 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: Because let me tell you, it's not just what is 587 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: contained within the bags, it's what's outside of the bags. 588 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: Because those bags, if we're talking multiple bags again, they've 589 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: been very coy about this whole thing. Dave. I think 590 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: you concur with that assassinsolutely. Those bags hold a tremendous 591 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: amount of data. And let me tell you what that 592 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: data is. So it's not just a matter eh, let's 593 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: grab these and kind of throw them in the back 594 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: of the van and we're going to run down to 595 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: the kind of corners office and work on them. No no, no, no, no, no, no, 596 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: that's not what you're gonna do. You're not. First off, 597 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to open the bags. If you do, 598 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: shame on you. And it's I know you want to, 599 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: but the assumption is you've got human remains in here. Okay, Now, 600 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that probably one of the bags, at least 601 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: one was cracked open. And listen, and this is cautionary tail. 602 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: Once you have noted that this is a human in here, 603 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: I ain't doing nothing else. You do nothing else whatsoever. 604 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: You better be kitted up with all of your ppe 605 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: everything when you're handling these things. You better be gloved up, 606 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: mask up, you better have hairnuts on the whole shebin 607 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: those bags because if they're plastic bags. Day, If they're 608 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: plastic bags, those are non poor surfaces. Do you realize 609 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: how much data we can get off of those and 610 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: depend upon the type of bag. Now, I'm not talking 611 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: about a bag that got grocery bag that comes from 612 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: rauphs okay. I'm talking about you know, like hefty, hefty 613 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: cinch sack. Okay, if that's what was used, those non 614 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: poor surfaces. You're talking about even latent prints that are 615 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: on these things, who had their hands on it? Okay, 616 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: because you can actually lift prints off of bags like 617 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: this and brother it. Yeah, the heat's going to compromise it, 618 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: but you have to act as if those latent prints 619 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: are still there. So you have to handle these things 620 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: with kid gloves. And also, anytime, and I mean anytime 621 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: you begin to work on notts, think about in your mind, 622 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: what does it take if I take a plastic bag 623 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: holding in my hand and you make bunny years out 624 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: of it, and you're going to have to manipulate this 625 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: bag over and under, and you're going to tie a 626 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: square knot, whatever kind of knot you're comfortable with that 627 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: you tie your trash up with. Do you realize how 628 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: many motions you have to go through to do that? 629 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: And readjustments of your hands? Most people don't. Guess who 630 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: else does it? Dave perpetrators. They don't realize all the 631 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: points that they're touching on there. And then if you're 632 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: talking about human remain, you're going to have to leverage 633 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: this thing. So you grab it at the top. You 634 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: want to stick your hand up underneath it. You might 635 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: even hug it. You're gonna throw your arms around it 636 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: like this. I know this sounds absurd, I know, but 637 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: as forensics people we think this way. If I'm in 638 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: kind of intimate contact with the bag, guess what if 639 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: my face is hair suit, I've got beard, hair that's 640 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: coming off, I've got skin that's coming off, I've got 641 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: hair off of my head that's coming off, and not 642 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: to mention everything there on my grimy, grimy hands. So 643 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: just the exterior of the bag is like that. So 644 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: once you get those bags secured with the remains in them, 645 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a whole team that's going to go 646 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: to the medical examiner's office, the corner's office, and brother. 647 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 1: The first thing from Jump Street is they're gonna be photographed. 648 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: They're gonna be logged in, but they're gonna be photographed. 649 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: And the most important piece to this, You're still not 650 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: going to crack them open. You've got to get them 651 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: into your radiology suite. And I think Ellie County, I 652 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: don't know if they use portable X rays. We always 653 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: use portable X rays, and I don't know how extensive 654 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: their visualization capabilities are. But if they have their own separate, 655 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: let's say X ray or radiology suite, you're going to 656 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: get them in there, get them on a table, or 657 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's just a portable X ray that has to happen. 658 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 1: And Dave. That in and of itself is confusing because 659 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: if you've got a dismembered remain, whoever's doing this is 660 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: not necessarily following along with some kind of anatomical roadmap. Here. 661 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: They're essentially collecting remains as they remove them. And piling 662 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: them in bags. I've actually had cases day where I've 663 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: had a foot and a hand from opposite size of 664 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: the body in one bag. So you got a right 665 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: hand and a left foot. Okay, can you imagine how 666 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: confusing that is if you X ray that? So what 667 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: are we looking for with X ray? Well, the first 668 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: thing that's going to come up to mind is anything 669 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: that's radio opaque. I want to know. I want to 670 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: know if there are any lead core projectiles that are 671 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: mixed in with any of these remains, whatsoever. I want 672 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: to know if I've got broken broken knife tips in there. 673 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,959 Speaker 1: And here's one other thing that people don't think about. 674 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: If a body is dismembered, Dave, and you don't know 675 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: what you're doing, and most people don't that are dismembering 676 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: a body. If you're using some kind of saw, guess 677 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: what will happen to the blades on those the fracture 678 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: the fracture and you can leave bits of the teeth adjacent, 679 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: and this does happen. I've seen skill saw fracture before, 680 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: seeing chainsaws come apart. You just you never know. It's 681 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: a crapshoot. So you have to prepare for the worst 682 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: with this, and all the while, not only are you 683 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: trying to not only are you trying to get the 684 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: person identified, but brother Dave, you're still trying to come up. 685 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: You still you haven't even gotten into the area where 686 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: you're trying to determine what the cause of death is. 687 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: Because I can tell you thirteen fourteen year old girls 688 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: just don't spontaneously fall apart, right die and fall apart 689 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: and eat how it works. 690 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 2: Now, when they get to the point where they have 691 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: the body out of the car, they've gone and done 692 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: the x rays, They've looked at the clothing which they identified, 693 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 2: because they they're the idea of identifying who the corpse, 694 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: who this body is. That was again, who was that 695 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 2: that was found in Singer D four v D's car, 696 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 2: you know, And the first thing that was leaked was tattoos, 697 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 2: clothing things like that. And it was interesting that the 698 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 2: family was contacted by TMZ and that's how we found 699 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 2: out a lot of information about how they identified that 700 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 2: the girl in the vehicle. Well, first of all, the 701 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 2: body found in the vehicle is a female and that 702 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 2: this female and I have real trouble with saying fifteen 703 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 2: year old Celeste Reevas, because Celeste Reevas, when they identified 704 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 2: who it was, it was a missing girl. Okay, I'm 705 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,720 Speaker 2: a girl who went missing when she's thirteen years old 706 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 2: from Lake Elson, or about seventy miles to the south. 707 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 2: That's when the announcement came out that his concert tour stopped. 708 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: He's not performing tonight in Seattle or San Francisco, and 709 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 2: the sponsors started pulling back. The album's not going to 710 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 2: go out. Everything stopped for him right then because they've 711 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 2: identified that the remains found in his car were those 712 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 2: of a missing child, a girl who went missing when 713 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 2: she was thirteen years old. Now we have a lot 714 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 2: more information about Celeste Reevas and D four BD David Burke. 715 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 2: But Joseph Scott Morgan, as you have talked about dismembering 716 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 2: a body. If the body is dismembered inside of a house, 717 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 2: inside of a residence near where the body was found 718 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 2: in the car, would there be enough evidence left behind 719 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 2: that they that police could say this is where it happened. 720 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, even if. 721 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 2: They cleaned it all up. Let's say we do it 722 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 2: in the bathroom. We do it in the bathtub, and 723 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 2: we cut her up. God, I hate I just said that, 724 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 725 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 1: But this is bodybags. This is what we do, brother. 726 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 2: But you know, we've we've had stories. We had a 727 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 2: story in the Northeast where these gross hippies cut up 728 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 2: a person and the reason they got caught is because 729 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 2: then their rented home, if you remember, they cut this 730 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 2: person up in the bathtub, blood and other body things 731 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 2: got clogged. They clogged up their own plumbing in the 732 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 2: house and they left, and you know, the guy that 733 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 2: owned it needs to get it cleaned out to rent 734 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 2: it again. And they find blood, hair and skin in 735 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 2: the tracks, muscle, yeah, and brain dust. 736 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: And this is this is how it works. This is 737 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: the hard, cold reality for any of you guys that 738 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: you see how Dave's reacting to this. This is what 739 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: we face out in the field. This is what these 740 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: folks in Ellie County are facing right now because what 741 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: happened is so horrific and if in fact she is dismembered, 742 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: there will be trace elements. I can tell you whatever 743 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: Looney Tune did this, they did not cover their tracks 744 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: thoroughly enough, because I think in every single case of 745 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: dismemberment that we cover, Dave, there's always something left behind. 746 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: And you can't account for it. You know, there's nothing 747 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: like this past this. Over the course of the semester, 748 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: I've been doing a dissection or remain for my students 749 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State and it made me very reflective of 750 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,879 Speaker 1: a younger at a point when I was much younger 751 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: in my life and I was just doing autopsies over 752 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: and thousands of them, you know, and suddenly it kind 753 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: of sprung back to life. You know, when I'm using 754 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: a bone saw and I'm creating that histamine in the 755 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: air of the bone dust that you've got blood that 756 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: is not necessarily being cast off, but it is there. 757 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: It's being deposited in various locations. Most people don't think 758 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: about that every time. And you use some kind of 759 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it. You use some 760 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: kind of instrument that is not intended, that is non 761 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: surgical instrument. Dude, you're going to capture so much soft 762 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: tissue and you're going to drop it. You're gonna have 763 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 1: muscle tissue, You're gonna have skin, you're gonna have hair. 764 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: All of this stuff is coming off. Okay, it's got 765 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,760 Speaker 1: to go somewhere, And I'm glad you mentioned the tub 766 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of these cases where tubs 767 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: are removed and you go into that drain trap, man, 768 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: and the drain trap reveals everything, because there's a reason 769 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: it's called a trap, right, you know. And you can look, 770 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: you can try to clean out that surface area. You 771 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: can pour bleach on it if you want to knock 772 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: yourself out. But when we get in that drain trap, 773 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: we're going to find evidence that's left behind. So this 774 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: is kind of the the area here when you're working 775 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: this house. And if I'm not mistaken, they had to 776 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: go get They went and got a warrant. 777 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 2: They did. They got a warrant. The day that the 778 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 2: name came back as a missing girl from Lake Elsinor 779 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 2: police showed up with a search warrant for the address, 780 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 2: a twenty thousand dollars a month home rental home. And 781 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 2: we're going to have to pull up Paul Harvey here. 782 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 2: You mentioned at the beginning that there was too much 783 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 2: information to cover in one so as we have gotten 784 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 2: to the point where she has been identified, they have 785 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 2: all that evidence. Burke is on tour. His tour is canceled. 786 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 2: Cops are at the deck gate. They're coming in to 787 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 2: search his house. Joseph Scott Morgan, you're going to have 788 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 2: to take us from the search warrant to where we 789 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 2: are today in our next episode. 790 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you we are. We're going to 791 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: look at this thing through the lens of a death investigator, 792 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: and we're going to work our way through it. I 793 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: don't know that we'll necessarily have answers that are going 794 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: to satisfy everybody, but I think that we've gotten more 795 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: information now than we started with weeks and weeks ago. 796 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Bugs