WEBVTT - Wrath 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.400 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:30.200 Done done Yay, that's messed up. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:31.600 An SVU podcast. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.240 I'm Liza Traeger and I'm Kara Klink And every week 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:40.120 on this pod we talk SVU true crimes, interview people, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.919 and chit chat about whatever. The so many elements our 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.400 podcast is so much when people just go, so how 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:48.240 often do you record? 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.680 I go, don't get me started. I can't, I can't 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:55.880 blame few times, explain what we're doing. So many pieces. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.279 We get it done, We get it done. Oh also up. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.680 I mean, the whole community came out for Paul Dano, 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.800 which is great, my god, and but no one really 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.080 coming out for Owen Wilson. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.399 I'll say that much. No one's coming out for Owen Wilson. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.959 But I did see Lillard respond and he was like, yeah, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.440 it hurts my feelings. And Jared was supposed to work 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.680 with him on Sunday and he ended up not being 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.039 able to make it, and I was like, I hope 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:23.400 he didn't pull out because of the Tarantino. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.320 His daughter posted something like I think but he was 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.960 sens Remember when we interviewed, Matthew was a little sensitive. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.720 But I do want to say I sent I DMed 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.440 this to Casey, so then resurfaced. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:37.680 I didn't. I've never heard this. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.319 It's Quentin Tarantino interviews where he is defending Roman Polanski, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.560 saying the thirteen year old consented that she wanted it, 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:51.520 that it's bullshit, that statutory rape'es not rape, that it's 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.960 not a like fully like eight minutes, and it's Howard 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.280 Stern going yeah, I don't what what And people are 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.080 like if Howard's e thinks you're fucked in, then rise like, yeah, 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.120 what the thought to openness? 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.360 Paul Dano can of worms Tarantino because now everybody's finding 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:09.040 out what he like. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:09.839 I don't know, I don't. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.960 I'm you know, I knew he was a freak and 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.880 like the feet, like I knew, you know, Uma Thurman 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.560 got injured on set, Like I'm not, I knew, you know. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.160 I think he's just a success. I think he thinks 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.120 he's like the like the the bees fucking knees and like. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.920 But he has hot movies. But like you can't just 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.240 like it's a tough clip to listen to. I'm like, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.280 what the fuck, yeah, I can never like, I don't know. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:40.480 I just don't know why the thirties like I it's strange. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.080 It's strange for that to be the thing. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.240 She was okay like because then, remember there was a 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.760 trend where people were putting up photos on social media 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.839 of them at thirteen, and it's like, no, you're a kid, 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:51.760 You're truly a kid. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.720 This is psycho, this is psycho. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.040 I hate that pedophiles are so confident right now. 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:03.720 I know while I having the moment, I did a 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.840 secret Sana last night and I got a really gray 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.560 bottle of wine and a little soft leather wine satchel 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:12.720 that I'm obsessed with. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.320 You posted in the satchel. No, I saw the satchel. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.520 You posted you tag you were really into the satchel. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.080 I wanted to it's a it's a woman that makes 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.840 handmade she's like a local LA woman. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.799 And I was like, here's my tag, you know, take it. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:27.359 I was excited. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.760 We had a nice little we had like I had 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.320 like a little it was like a private room situation 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.680 with like thirteen women having a secret Sanna. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.480 But here's here's my question. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:44.680 So my version of Secret Sanna is that whoever goes 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.840 into the Secret Sanna, we all pull a name, we 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.400 buy a present for that person, and then we like 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.000 present him to each other at the party. My friends, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.440 a couple of my friends at the party were like, no, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.760 there aren't. People just supposed to pick their gift that's 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.640 labeled and try to guess who gave it to them. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:02.400 Which I've never played it that way. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:07.560 What do you think I've I've done it the first 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.280 way and I like that, but I'm into the second 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.040 way because gay. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:13.160 Is fun as well. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.839 So my friend like gave her gift but then gave 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.720 like a little second gift that kind of hinted at 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.080 who she was, but like we all knew because we 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.520 played it the other way, and she was like, this 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.359 is not how I play, and so it's kind of 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:26.800 fun to add the little layer of mystery. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:27.719 I think we just didn't know. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.360 So none of us, most of us didn't really come 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.840 with labeled gifts and so we had to hand them 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:33.400 to each other. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.720 But it was just it was a lot of skincare. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.799 What did you bring? A lot of skincare? 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.720 The woman I got is really into like Korean skincare, 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.760 So I got her some skincare stuff. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.760 A mask, some under eye patches. You know. No, but 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.880 if your friends, things are going to be similar. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.320 Because like last year, me and my group of friends 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.080 here in New York that we do Christmas together, it 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.360 was a big heavy ceramics here. Everyone ended up getting 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.040 a ceramic and the year before was pouches, like we 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.600 all got each other little pouches. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:07.080 Little pouches. Yeah, it's like when you see it all 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.240 happened this year. I'm curious to see if there's a 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:09.719 trend this. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.320 Yeah, there's. Oh and tinned fish, like we each get 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.560 tin fish, I remember. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.840 I mean I just like being on the bottom floor 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.760 of anything to see fish wife now in true like 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:27.320 giant grocery stores. I was getting their their pr when 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:28.920 they were a tiny little company before. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.720 Yeah, the founder's gone to a fight and split. So 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:33.000 oh they did. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.000 Yeah you heard it here first Jesus or not? I 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.200 mean it's been years, but yeah, the tin fish girls. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.520 Do we know somebody who did that? Yes? 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.159 Yes, yes, yes, because then only one of them was 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.599 on Shark Tank. So that was like a huge kind 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.280 of indicator to a separation. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.920 They went on Shark Tank, well, one of them went 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.040 on Shark Tank. Well, yes, the product. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.119 The product. I didn't know that the fish went on 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.679 on on Shark Tank. Wow. Interesting Okay. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.680 But also with trends of like gifts of stuff, it's 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.520 kind of how I feel with the people that we 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:05.680 meet that listen to our stuff. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.400 It's like, we're gonna have a lot in comment. Yeah, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.920 we just star of the age. We're into the same thing. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.880 It's just it is what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.560 Because I meet the girls and we're all like in 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.000 the same stuff. They'll always bring a gift and be like, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.520 I don't know if you'll like this, and I'm like, yeah, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.760 of course I do. You know everything about me, you 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.159 know everything. Oh but I will do. Okay, if a 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.239 ton of your kids, if your advice, if your kids 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.440 have lots of stuffed animals. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.080 I just got this, like plastic. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.320 It's the shape of a not even a beanbackshirt, like 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.560 those blow up chairs that we had from Claire's, Like 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.159 those like inflatable chairs. It's like that, but it's not inflatable. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.159 You fill it with stuffed animals. It's revolutionized my life. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.600 So a bunch of it's like, you know, I have 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.920 my Leet Cyberset shirts. They don't really wear them, they're old, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:53.560 but I don't want to throw them away. So it's 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.919 like the bottom of it's like my Luigi Mangione shirt, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.880 like just fun shirts stuffed with stuffed animal. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.240 It's revolutionized. My Oh it's clear so you can see through. Yeah, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.400 you look at all the animals. You look at all 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.279 of them. Okay, So I was thinking you were talking about, 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.120 like just there's just like these bean bag chairs we 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.840 just shove. I'm picking it up. You're looking at it 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.720 all and then you sit and then you sit on it, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.800 which I'm considering getting because my fucking children are overrun 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.480 with stuffies and if you think that they're Christmas liss. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:24.400 Wow. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.800 Yeah, it's like a little chair and you can see 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:28.600 all the stuffies. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.760 Yeah, have the plastic clear plastics. I just like because 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:33.320 that's the thing. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.520 It's like, I love my I love them, but I 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.920 like looking at my stuff. And that's what's hard. When 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.040 you're like a messy person, you don't know what everything is. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.520 And then here it's like I get to look at 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:43.640 all their cute faces. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.280 I know, and these bean bag chairs that I was 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.240 referring to you don't get to see them. They're just 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.880 kind of like shoved inside like a chair that looks 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.600 like a soccer ball or like has unicorns. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.640 On it or whatever the fuck fuck that. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.800 Yeah, this is like you get the full full thing. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:00.840 It's so interesting. 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.920 The I feel like I live an active life and 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.000 now we're here and I'm like, did I where was I? 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.240 I know, I'm literally thinking about you know what I've 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.880 been going to like a lot of Christmas stuff, Like 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.720 I went to a couple of Christmas parties over the 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.040 weekend and I'm like, who did I see? 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:17.840 What did I? Who did I? 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.880 It's a rid Safie my friend Brian Saffie, who I love, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.480 saw him, got to see him. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:23.320 That was great. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.400 I don't even know if I've seen a movie, Like 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.560 did I watch a show? Like I know, I I don't. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.199 Oh Beverly Hills Premier that was like huge, I watched it. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.720 You're right, it's so boring. Someone was like, I love 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.640 how Salt Lake City could be one dinner, one location, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.240 full of drama, and then we have Beverly Hills where 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.360 it's like six locations, five conglomerate of people like like 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.360 not conglomerate, like groups of people, solo shots, eight dinners, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.120 an event, and none of it salt like just needs 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:53.600 one dinner. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.840 I just don't know if they have anything, honestly, O, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.000 I have Rachel Zoe spilling and I like that. Yeah, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.680 she chelo. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.640 I was a Rachel Zoe person back when she was on. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:10.200 I watched her show on Bravo, Like you may know me, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.679 I've lived here before, like about Bravo, like I like, 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.880 I send. And then apparently the new girl on Beverly 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.880 Hills has some shit going on, like as the show premieres, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.439 I think she's getting divorced from her husband who and 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.199 it's like a whole thing, like it's scandaloso Anyway, I 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.360 think that woman is having some kind of big divorce. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.839 Maybe that'll be something, But I really just don't care 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.520 about the Dereet and Kyle friendship. The you're not a 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.800 good friend to me, you haven't been a good friend 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.240 to me nonsense over and over again, Like talk to 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.680 me about somebody making out with someone else's husband while 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.480 he's farting, Like I need more Salt Lake City style 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.319 action in Beverly Hills or I'm. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:56.400 No, they take themselves too. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.760 Seriously, they're too image, They're too It's it's inside. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:02.880 Yeah, it's too inside. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.240 Like we need people a little unhinged, a little detached 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.840 from reality, but not just in a financial way. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.880 Yeah, and I'll be honest, it's like my new cable 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.120 cutting ways of now that I'm a full streamer, now 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.319 that I've joined the generation of now, and I don't 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.240 have my episodes just sitting for me on my DVR. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.840 It's like I'm actively looking up Salt Lake because I'm like, oh, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.840 I got to see what happens or whatever. I'm like 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.760 six episodes behind on Potomac, which I love. I usually 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.839 love Potomac. But if some if it's not like it's 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.560 like you really do lose yourself to the streamers, if 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.880 people are not like just going into to go find it. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.160 Yeah, I mean, Southern Charm has been fine. Good. I'm 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.040 excited for summer. You know, I'm in. I am in. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.520 Okay, I've I've remembered something that happened in my life. Okay, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.240 and I actually need your expertise, so this is perfect. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.880 Oh okay, So I'm at a party, no big deal, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.120 but they but I went outside to smoke weed. But 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.360 the coat check took forever, and they like lost one 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.760 of my friends, like it just the coat check. I 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.040 didn't it was I wasn't trusting anymore. So I'm like, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.560 I'm keeping my coat for the rest of the party. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.160 I don't want to give it back to them. Then 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.480 I go back to the party. Happy meals have arrived. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.040 Of course I grab a happy meal. I'm stoned. There's 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.040 a fortune teller. I'm in a line for the fortune teller. Okay, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.600 So I'm eating a nugget. I'm dipping it in sweet 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.920 and sour. Someone distracts me, starts talking to me. I 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.360 spill all the sweet and sour down my coat, just 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.440 all of it. And I don't realize that for a while, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.000 like I think I'm pouring and I go, oh no, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.120 And of course I blame this man fully, why did 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.000 you distract me? Like why are do you? Why are 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.079 you talking to me? I'm clearly eating nuggets in a coat, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.560 like I can't imagine a more like get away from 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.800 me kind of vibe and a coat eating nuggets alone 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.600 like I okay, yeah, I guess you would leave me alone. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:58.360 So I'm sticky. It's everywhere. It's the worst sauce to spill. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.199 It's the worst. I'm wetting it. It's twenty degrees in 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.040 New York. I only have this one winter coat. You know, 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.840 I'm decluttering. I'm in my I'm in my new era. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.280 Yeah, and so I only have this one coat, so 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:11.200 I can't dryly. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.520 I can't like get rid of it because it's twenty degrees. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.439 I need the coat. So do I just buy another 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.440 coat in the interim? Do I wet it right now? 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.960 It's been days now, Like should I sweat something with soap? 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.760 Or is it all colors? The coat? 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.160 It's black. It's like a blackack puffer. It's a black 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.240 normal puffer. No fashion, no must. I don't think you 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.080 need to bring that anywhere. I think you can clean 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.720 that yourself. I think I could just wet it, keep 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.040 wetting it with like soap, Wet it a little bit 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:38.520 of soap. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.280 Let it dry near your heater that I'm sure is 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.880 like expelling extreme heat at all times, you know, so 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.400 it'll dry it like really fast. Like yeah, I really think, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.960 just yeah, you want to scrape up all the actual 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.040 like sauce or whatever, and then yeah, just like I'll 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.880 just been wearing it honestly dish soap. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:57.240 You could use. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.800 That's what I'm dawn because it's stained as fuck and 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.320 I've and no one can really see it. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:02.199 But it's sticky. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.839 Yeah, you just got to get the stick out of there. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:05.720 Water stick. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.280 Yeah. Like, and this coat's not even a few weeks old. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.760 Like I bought the coat for this winter season to 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.480 be war immediate, sweet and sour immediate in the. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.480 Event that something really drastic was to happen to one 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.400 of your coats. I mean, you know, you can get 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.720 like a unicchlowpuffer for like nothing. I still have a 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.200 uniclowpuffer that I think I grabbed on the go one time. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.360 Okay, you know I also went to a Shabbat dinner. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.760 Crazy oh, I got invited to a Shabbat dinner with 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.479 a bunch of like sexy Jews. Everyone was wearing their necklaces. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.880 I go, okay, I didn't get that memo. The micro 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.079 trend of the party, like everyone had a little mazoza 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.520 around their neck or a high uh huh. But it 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.080 was weed theme. So it was like, it's this Jeweye brand, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.440 so it was like Jewish token jew So it's like 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.880 the honey is infused with weed, and then they use 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.560 that honey to bake the halla. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.520 Oh okay, and the. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.800 The chef, the holl Of guy, I guess follow he 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.319 has a million followers. So it's a famous Jewish gay 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:10.560 baker chef using Jewish infused. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.280 Honey and making weed. Yeah, it was great. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.680 And then one of the packages is like, it's like 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.720 this lemon gummy, but the shape is a Jewish star, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.200 and unfortunately lemon is yellow, so the packaging for the 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.160 gummies is a yellow Jewish star. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.880 Oh they didn't they didn't think it through. They didn't 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.800 think it through. You just need one person and outside 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.480 eye to go. That's actually not gonna work. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:37.480 So they presented it. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.800 But the boys who do the weed, the token ju, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.200 they're all gay boys too. It's like a gay Jewish 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:47.040 boy enterprise. It's like a fucking dream. Yeah, yeah, it 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.040 was cool. It was cool for sure. I sat next 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.600 to some chef, Yeah, it was. It was that's so fun. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.000 You know, I don't go to events like this. You know, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.040 some people are built for network. This is what they do. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.120 I feel in our business network is really frowned down 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.440 to pound and it's like a lame thing to do. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.440 And so I have that frame of mind, but then 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.720 other businesses just do it. I guess if you're in 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.800 real estate, you gotta yeah, I don't know, I don't know. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.000 Yeah, yeah. I think it's like, uh, people bought tickets 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.120 to this event. I was brought thing, you know, thank 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.320 you to my friend R. I think people think that 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.440 if in our business, it's like if you have talent, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.240 you have talent and you don't really need to like 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.160 be glad handing and like talking to people and being like. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.880 Call me, let's meet, let's do that or whatever. 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.800 But I would say like in like the TikTok world 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.600 and like other you know, like extrapolations of entertainment, people 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.600 are networking and collabing and doing shit to help each other. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.040 Babe up. You know, it's probably just not in stand 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.120 up and like our specific Yeah, I think that's like 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.280 you know guys like that, Like you know, I know 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.480 one guy specifically who just like is always like coming 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.360 around to shows being like, what's up? How are you you? 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.520 Guys like, and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna say the 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:01.000 name bleep it case. You know, I want to guess, well, he. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.920 Fucking sucks, But that's not that's not who I'm talking about. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.720 I'm talking about a guy who's not that I mean, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.800 not that that guy's good, but that guy has a 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.000 reputation for being good. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:16.680 This guy is not even good. Is like this fucking guy. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.080 And I said, not that good. I thought him, but 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.720 I forgot his name. No, I'm not talking about somebody 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.400 who's actually good at it. I mean he's a like sickophan, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:25.880 you know, he just kisses ass. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.920 But you're right, you're right, Like if everyone's doing business 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.080 and you will want to grow business and collab, that 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:31.840 makes sense. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.960 There's just something like an avert I I am. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:36.440 You know. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.280 It was a cool experience for me. Did I show 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.360 a few people my Simpsons art project? 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:47.600 Yeah? Yeah, that's still not died down. Yeah. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.080 Oh, Matt Groening might be in the Epstein Files. I 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.120 saw that, So what, no big deal. Just dedicated my 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:55.040 life to the show. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.960 But oh my god, did we ask people in the 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.080 last episode to say Epstein Files if they listened to 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.880 the end and that's why they're all right Epstein Files. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.040 I saw your comment and I was like, ah, got it, 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.920 got it, got it. Go. I forget last night, at 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.120 this last night, at this secret standa somebody goes, oh, 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.920 I listened to I was listening to Last Cultriestas or something, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.360 and I go, I don't really listen to that many 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.919 podcasts and they go, she goes, you don't, and I go, no, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.200 I listened to like two and she goes your own, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.520 and I go, I don't listen to my own, Like what? 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.879 No, when people tell you things, Okay, So someone I 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.520 performed in Connecticut woo. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.720 At the Funny Babe. Yeah, it was a nice drive. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.120 It's cute. It's cute. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.080 But so I was talking to a guy after my 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.480 show and he's like, you know, when I found you 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.480 was your Degenerate Special. And then he's like, and this 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.920 joke and then he said a joke that I don't 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.440 remember these words ever coming out of my mouth like 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.679 and he was. He goes, you don't remember that, and 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.520 I go, I think I was twenty eighteen, Like no. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.200 But when he told me, I go, oh, yeah, I 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.400 guess that was pretty funny. But like, yeah, it's it's 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.760 I don't remember anything. Once it's out of my mouth, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.080 it's gone. It's like I don't remember anything I say ever. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.760 Yeah, that's except the things I repented over and over 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.400 and over again. Though, yeah, if you if you send 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.400 us a dumbie, people will dm us just like responding 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.680 to something we say. And I'm like, I don't even 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.640 know what this is about, Like, so you we need 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.960 a little bit of context, because I, yeah, I don't. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.800 But this guy, this was crazy. So I'm meeting people 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.160 after the show, you know, selling my magnets, selling my wares. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.520 So I'm standing it's the end of the line. So 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.560 it's these two girls that I've met before, they came 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.520 to my show and Rhode Island, so they seems familiar. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.639 And then a group of seven straight white men and 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.560 they were the only the only straight men at my 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.560 show without like a partner. And then behind them was 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.760 a couple of people from my Rhode Island show as well, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:46.919 and I know them through a mutual friend. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.600 So but it's the end of the line. These are 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:50.720 the last three parties. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.919 The group of white men can't wait anymore, budge the 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.880 two girls and just fully take over and won't leave. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.600 And I I I didn't kick him away because he 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.000 knew all these jokes of mine and stuff, and seems 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.600 like he's been following me for a while, and he 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.919 did give me extra money for the magnets. But it 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.800 was so crazy to watch, like, you're almost there. There's 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.600 two women and they just couldn't. They all bulldozed the 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.959 two women that were next, and I was like, it 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.399 was almost your turn, got like, yeah, you've waited this 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.320 long and it wasn't quick. It wasn't like listen our sitter, Oh, 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:24.960 we gotta get out of here. But it was truly 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.119 it's just wild when you see stereotypes come to life, 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:30.600 and it was. 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.800 It was crazy. It was really like a wild thing 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:34.200 to watch. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.520 And I hope I'm describing it well enough for you 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:41.800 guys to see how kind of nutty it was. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.800 it's almost your turn. You just had to wait for 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.520 two more and it wasn't quit. Yeah, fully. And then 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.320 when I started talking to that other group that then 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:53.119 became friends after because they were bonding, he did it again. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.400 He interrupted again. It was crazy. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.600 Maybe he thought at that point that you guys were 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.240 friends and he had some kind of status. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:03.160 I don't know. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.480 And then he goes, and my name's Joshua, like that 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.080 one joke you did, and I go. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:13.120 What what? 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.240 I'm like, I remember a lot of your bits I 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.119 don't remember a Joshua bit, but it could be older, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:19.920 could go back. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.280 Well, and if you're listening, I hope your holidays are good. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.959 I hope tonight, tonight I'll be at a wedding. If 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.800 you're watching this, the moment it comes out on Tuesday, 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.560 I'll be at a wedding. I'll be at a Tuesday wedding. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.480 You're going to a pre New Year's Eve wedding? 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I'll be at a wedding. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:35.320 And you know that. 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.840 I like, I actually like a sort of like I 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.520 went to a New Year's Eve wedding once and it 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.840 was awesome, Like it was fung It's just like you 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.760 don't even have to worry about the food or the 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.159 drinks or anything. The dancing's already happening, the big countdown happens. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.080 It's like someone's taking care of everything for you on 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.040 New Year's even though yours is the day before. 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:52.960 But I think it'll still be like really fun. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.240 Yeah, and it'll be holiday season. But also, if you 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.760 guys are listening to this. January third, I'm in Seattle. 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.480 January fourth, I'm in Vancouver, and then I just added Pittsburgh. 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.040 I'll be in Kansas City, grammar Sya Theater in February, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.560 New York, like I'm hitting the road next year. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.000 Yeah, go to that spassed up live dot com. You 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.080 can get to Lisa's link, you can get to our 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:16.920 merch and I have a resolution. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:18.520 What's your resolution? 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.919 I want to go to Six Flags. Oh wow, that 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.200 seems like very attainable. 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.439 It's been years since I've gotten on a roller coaster 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:27.680 and I want to. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.000 I want to plan the event. 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.199 I feel sometimes I wait for people to invite me 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.160 to things or plan or pick a spot, and I'm 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.879 gonna plan it. I'm gonna plan, I'm gonna rent the 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.840 thing and we're gonna go. And I want to ride 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:41.639 roller coasters sick. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.240 I love six Flags. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.080 I mean that like I actually maybe I'll go in 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.920 January because the best part time to go in LA 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.800 is like is January, like everyone's back at school, no 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.040 school trips and it's cold. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.480 Maybe I thought about my brother in January. 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.040 Once we got off the roller coaster got right back on, 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.479 we were like able to go like multiple times on 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.280 uh Superman and stuff. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:04.480 That just hit me. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.320 Yeah, the one because I would go probably in New 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.159 Jersey and that's closed in the winter. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.200 Yeah, so unless you're gonna go to another state. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.800 Yeah, they open back up. They probably open back up 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.400 in like May. Yeah, I don't know, but that is definitely. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.240 I think you can make this happen. And I guess 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.640 I'll say, drink water and drink water. Drink water, drink water. 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:31.800 I actually downloaded I've been flossing. Whoa brag. I redownloaded 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.800 a water tracking app on my phone, but I want 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:35.480 like a better one. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:36.480 This one has so many ads. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.919 If you have like just a simple app that just 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.120 I can just track how much water I'm drinking, please 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:41.600 send it to me. 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.000 I don't like area person to your website. Why are 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.760 there other things pop I'm already on the site. I'm 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:51.359 already here. Honestly, the pop ups are making me. I 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.880 don't need ten percent off. I don't need ten percent off. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:56.880 Get away from me. It's so crazy. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:02.320 But Happy New Year, last show of twenty twenty five, 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:03.080 Happy New Year. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.280 You're gonna love this. So I have a theory right 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.680 now where young people don't have never knocked on a door. 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.920 I think that's the generational divide. Like you know, how 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:14.600 you would go to someone's house knock on a door, 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.879 maybe they're home, maybe they're not. I don't think people. 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.760 I don't think young people have ever done that. People go, 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.600 I'm here, are you home? They tell like there's no surprise, 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.000 And so I think culture. I'm like trying to think 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.720 of it, like what that means about humanity and us 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.520 because I just read something about how like video games, 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.359 Nintendo's like once you fail, you have to start over 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.720 and there was no cheat sheets, you had to learn 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.479 the things on your own, and how that helped us 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:42.040 develop brain stuff, and how this generation it's it's never 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:42.760 ending games. 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.560 There's no failure, there's lives there. You say your progress, 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.000 you move forward. Yeah. 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.080 So I'm trying to figure out what knocking has to 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:53.040 do with who we are as people. And I ask 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.920 a crowd this past weekend anyone born after two thousands? 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.320 Some people clapped and I go, how many have you 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.200 ever knocked on a door? And this girl like offend? 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:06.520 Yeah, like yeah, And I go, okay, great, who's door? 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.000 Because I don't believe it? Right, So I go, who 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.880 sort did you knock on? And she goes trick or treating? 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:13.439 I go, you prove my point? I mean to me, 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.280 like as a sociological experimenter. 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:18.520 I couldn't believe it. 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:20.639 I'm like, so once a year as a holiday where 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.000 people are waiting, I'm not expecting their door to get 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.080 knocked on. Yeah, but to me, I was like, the 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.480 gifts you just gave me in terms of my data 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:29.200 is huge. 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.040 But the kids want to deny it. 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:32.879 They want to deny it like other ones like no, 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.160 when I go to neighborhood for kids, I go, you're lying, 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:35.640 You're lying. 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:36.320 I think they're lying. 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.920 I mean, I bet you random kidnappings are down because 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.240 we were going door to door selling wrapping paper, selling popcorn. 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.520 I mean we were knocking on whoever freaks door at 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.640 any hour of the day, knock, knock. 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:50.120 Come on. 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.920 Yeah, so I bet that's probably a good thing. Don't 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.959 go knocking on random fucking door. Also, now everybody has 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.280 a ring cam and there's all this ringcam footage goes 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.080 around that would deter me from knocking on doors. More 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.280 of like yeah, you know, so I'm gonna post the clips. 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.360 So sorry if you already saw it, but yeah, I'm work. 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.320 I'm working on the clip at this point. Hopefully it's out, 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.879 but it's this episode's coming out. Twelve Hourty we're interesting. 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.000 I feel kind of boring, but I hope you listen. 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:19.640 It's the end of the year, it's the last episode 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.479 of the year. We're burnt out. We've been going to 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:24.960 too many I'm I've been like drunk for four days. 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.400 I've been going to all these parties and dinners. And 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:31.080 it's the holidays, so give us a break. But happy 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:33.960 New Year. Hope everybody has a good twenty twenty six, 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.680 and we'll have news, we'll have updates. Yeah, we're well. Yeah, 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:39.080 twenty twenty six will be big. 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:40.960 Yeah. Yeah. 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:42.480 Our first episode of the year is going to be 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:43.760 a banger in twenty twenty six. 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.240 Don't sleep on the pod. Don't make this the last 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:50.320 episode you listen to. Please. All right, let's get started. 0:25:50.359 --> 0:26:00.159 We have a good one today. We're doing Wrath Baby 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.200 Steve It season three, episode two. 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.800 And if you're having deja vu, if you live in 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.520 the area of Columbus, Ohio, and you're having deja vu, 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.200 it's because we did do this episode at a live 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:14.760 show there a couple of years ago. 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.000 Or was it Cleveland or Columbus. 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.120 I feel like, oh wait, maybe it was it was Cleveland, 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.240 because it was because it was a big room, not 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.760 a lot of people and a bat not a dead child. 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.959 Up front. It was like, oh, my brother in law's 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:30.000 family all came. 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.080 All my brother in law, like my brother Colin's husband, 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:38.199 his husband, Joe is from Ohio. His mom came, Joe's uh, 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.720 two brothers and their wives came. Like all these people 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.640 came and I was like, we open on you know. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.840 Dead child. Yeah, we we messed it up. 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.919 We just thought it was funny because like because this 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:51.480 this episode does stick into my head. 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.080 Also a seven Deadly Sin fun rath. Yeah. 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.360 Also October fifth, two thousand and one, Fresh from nine 0:26:58.359 --> 0:26:58.800 to eleven? 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.840 Oh maybe are yeah fresh right? I don't know, a 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:05.840 post nine to eleven fresheet. You know, we love that, 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.840 but I think we could have given it another go 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.280 at another live show. We probably could have fine tuned it, 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.600 but we just were both like this episode so dark. 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.840 Like normally the ones we do on the road are 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.919 like funny. It's brothers and sisters fucking each other, you know, 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:25.760 like little funny, like people that are porn stars trying 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.280 to that are like killing their porn boss. 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.600 You know, this one was just too. 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.960 Dark, and we apologize Cleveland, but we're gonna make it 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.879 fun today, but just not with no, you're not. 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.720 You don't have a drink in front of you. Maybe 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.600 you do. Yeah, and guess what, we're in the woods. 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.399 So that's we start out in the woods, always good. 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:47.840 And there's a dead body in the trunk of a 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.960 like a car, and there's two nerds taking notes and 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:52.240 matching blue jumpsuits. 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:53.760 And then there's another body. 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:57.600 There's little tags we see there's games or training, scavenge, 0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.120 something's going on. They're talking about scavin not eating enough. 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.840 And once there's a clipboard, you know, it's an official 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:08.320 dead body kind of chain of we'll find out. One 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.520 of them trips though, and it's three bodies that are 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.600 on the trail of the path. But they shouldn't be 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.640 on this path and these nerds know that and so 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.600 and these bodies are zip tipe, so they got to 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.040 call the cops. And then one runs back and he's 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.639 wearing little booties to keep and I don't know, like 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.439 a jeep to me, like from my childhood, to me, 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:29.040 it's like the hottest, coolest car. 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.200 It really just was a car that the cool kids 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:33.760 got to drive. 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:38.080 Yeah, yeah, and so but these are dorks go good 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.160 for them, and then but they don't like that the 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:41.959 real cops are getting in the way of their experiments 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.360 and contaminating them. One of the cops is actually a 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.160 FED so he's from the FBI, and he's being nice 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.719 to the science guy. He's like, come on, guys, you know, 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.320 like don't don't fuck with their experiments. So this character's 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:57.560 name is Rod Franklin, played by John Doman, and he's 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.920 in five SVU episodes, so that's pretty exciting. So he's 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.480 in the five episode club. He's in a season one, two, three, eight, 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.040 and thirteen and a different character each time. So Muggsy 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.600 Kane has this in Michael O'Keeffe, so he joins this. 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:14.560 I think he's the guy that's drinking milk. Yeah, he's 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:19.480 the guy that's drinking milk that time. Yeah, that's a yeah, 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.360 yeah yeah yeah. And he's and he's working. 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:26.200 He's working, okay, So he's and he's probably most well 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.560 known from the Wire, so he was in all the 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:31.000 seasons of the Wire. He's been working for decades. He 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.160 clearly looks like a cop. He's been in Mothership, oh 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.520 see the affair, like damages. 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:36.640 He's working. He's working. 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.680 Yeah, Stabler meets them and starts chatting with the science 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.880 guy and is being really complimentary, very kind of you know, 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:47.920 not what you'd expect from Stablor, but he loves this place. 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.360 He goes, hell of a place. You got here. 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.400 They do DK research, They study death to help law enforcement. 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.520 They look at decomposition insect things. And then another cop 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.280 walks over and Stable goes, honestly, will the this will 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.120 all happen faster if you go back to your office 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:03.680 and then you guys can go back to work, and 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:04.720 the guy runs off. 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.000 So the boys are here. We're working the case. 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.880 Three bodies, one Hispanic female and she was a rape 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.560 victim at SVU. Then there's a minor they don't know, 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.920 but he is a young black boy. And then there's 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:20.160 a white male father of a rape murder victim. And 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.480 two of the adults were both Benson cases. So dramatic 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.000 music starts to play and Stabler takes in the crime 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.000 scene and now the credits. So we're back at work 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.280 and Benson is like, why wasn't I called to the scene? 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.400 Those are my cases? 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.200 And staybugers, there's not enough time, Like we were working fast. 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.040 There's the in between guy, the Feds, YadA, YadA, and 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.200 it's Pixie cut Benson by the way, you know the 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:44.560 cut that almost got her fired. 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.640 Yeah, with the little bleach highlights like just at the 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:49.520 at the ends, a little bit in there. 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.840 Oh my god. Wait, someone gave me an idea for 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.560 merch for us for the next drop. 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.040 If you guys, you know, get the Lewis Lewis Lewis 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:02.920 Lewis Luis shirt. But what if we do ay a jersey? 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.320 This was someone and I got her information. I was drunk, 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.160 but I got her information. If we ever make it. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.000 But what if we do a jersey and on the 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.960 back it says you know, Tommy and then it's like TMU, 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.080 Like we're the TMU team and Tommy is our name. 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.400 You don't like this, okay, you don't seem too like 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:20.200 a baseball tea. 0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:20.400 You know. 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.480 I've been dying to do a baseball tea forever. 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.160 A baseball tea is one thing. Yeah, like actual like 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.440 mess jersey. I wouldn't wear that. We were not making mesh. 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.760 We were not making mesh. This is for the power 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.080 Puff game, you know, or the power. 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.200 Yes, No, I like that. I like a baseball tea. 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:37.240 I think that's cute. 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.479 But the Tommy okay, you hate it, you hate it, 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.280 sorry to our listener, Kara hates okay. 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.320 Okay. So the body of this haircut is very distinct 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.840 Season three situation. 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.120 But once you pull off a cut like that, you 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.400 can like, you know, you know, you're hot in every angle, 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:53.240 so it works. 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.880 You have the facial structure she has. Truly any haircut 0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:58.239 will do. 0:31:58.680 --> 0:31:59.000 Yeah. 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.960 So but since the bodies are dumped at the federal facility, 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.560 Huang is like they were killed in the city, so 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.040 it's you know, it will be our case. And then 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.719 she goes, no, that's my case. I'm the lead on this, 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.880 and Stamler's like okay, And so Benson lead is the 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.880 full squad meeting. So the white guy is Peter Cordell 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.200 and he's the dad of Tina Cordell. And in nineteen 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.520 eighty three, during the trial, Benson was with the dad 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.800 while the perp was acquitted. Belzer asks what went wrong 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.800 in the case, and she said a series of lab 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:36.080 mix ups. So then the Hispanic female Carmela barantes she 0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.160 was raped and beaten three years ago by a gang 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.560 banger who is serving eight to twelve and sing sing, 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.640 so it could be some sort of gang revenge, but 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.240 the other victims have no gang affiliation, so probably not. 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.440 And then the young boy is Clayton Derrecks, who was 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.560 abused by his father, was placed in a group home 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.440 and then raped in the group home, and then finally 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:55.760 placed in foster care. 0:32:56.160 --> 0:33:01.400 Can you believe people weren't dying in the aisles in Cleveland? Yeah, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:05.040 it's like the darkest fucking first minute of the show. 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.720 Pressed ahead, apologies to hilarities. 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:19.000 So foster mother did file a missing person's report yesterday 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:23.400 on the boy, so hopefully she's like not a bad person. Also, 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.880 the three victims were pumped with sedatives, so potassium chloride, 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.560 which makes the death painless, and Finn goes, does that 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.960 make a difference? Yeah, it does, Like, I know death 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.640 is death, but like you, I'd rather go painless than you'd. 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.080 Rather fall asleep and never wake up then be stabbed. 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.040 Ortured by some of these people in finnis seen some 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.000 of the things that these victims go through, Like what 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.920 the fuck? So whatever, So Craigan sends everyone off to 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.200 work to see if there are any other connections besides 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.840 Benson to the case. So we go to the home 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:59.800 of Adam Cordell, and his son does not know the 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.000 there are two people. He's also so fucking pissed, like 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.360 this motherfck, so he assumes it's the killer of his sister. 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.400 So he's like, this dude kills my sister. Now he 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.920 kills my dad, Like what the fuck? And they're like, well, 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.680 have you ever have you seen Victor Clawson in the area, 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.000 And he goes, no, that motherfucker is a carpet layer 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.719 in Queens. His brother in law got him the job. 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.960 He's married, his wife's pregnant, he gets to live a 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:21.880 whole life. And Benson goes, wait, wait, wait, are you 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.080 stalking him? And he goes, no, no, no, but my 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:29.200 dad did so not me. So yeah, the dad was 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.480 following him to make sure that everyone knew who, like 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.640 who he really was, and you know that might have 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:36.320 gotten his father killed. So they go to visit Victor 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.000 and Victor has gelled hair. He looks like, honestly, he 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.360 should be in a musical, like he is laying carpet, 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.040 but it seems like he can break out into song 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:48.520 at any moment, and he's like, listen, a jury found 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.640 me not guilty. Leave me the fuck alone. I'm putting 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.279 up and down carpet. That's all I'm doing. And he 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.719 won't stop. He won't stop the carpet, the carpet. He's 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.120 a classic s You character. He keeps on move and 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.640 Saylor's like, okay, well, how about we asked your wife 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:03.280 your whereabouts? 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:04.560 How about you do that? 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.719 And he's like, leave me alone, and Benson goes, how 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.440 you left Tina alone? You raped and strangled her. And 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:11.839 he says, you can't harass me or that old man 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.759 and they're like, well the old man's dead. He goes, good, 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.640 now I can get back to my life and they go, okay, sure, 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.080 but you are the number one suspect and he's he 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.400 keeps carrying carpet and he calls the old man unhinged 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:24.440 and he's like, I had a restraining order, but the 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.320 cops never enforced it. And Benson goes, yeah, we just 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.480 thought I'm murdering rapists like you could handle it by yourself, 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.719 and he's like, listen, Tina had a smart mouth too, 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.680 and it got her in a lot of trouble, so 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.400 that sounds like a threat. We're going to push him 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.799 against the van and start arresting him. And then they 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.400 threaten him more and go, we're going to tell everyone 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.480 you're a pedophile, and so he's like, okay, okay, I 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.440 was home. I was home, and then the next night 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.759 I was at Lama's class and his wife has the 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.359 number to the Lama's place. 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.600 Obviously he wouldn't the invisible labor women do. Okay, my 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:56.760 wife has the numba. 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.000 But he goes, we're done, but Stabler grabs him again 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.880 and pushes him and says, nope, now we're done, and 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:08.640 he smiles like he fucking loved that, and they go 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:11.680 to So now they're gonna go to the little boy's 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:16.319 foster mother. Her name is missus Harding. She usually has 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.560 up to six kids at a time. It's always temporary 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.120 until they find permanent placement. But Clayton never warmed up 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.920 to her. And Clayton was stable, she said, though, and 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:27.759 like younger kids looked up to him and he was 0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:29.120 just a nice boy. 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.239 But she doesn't know where he would go. 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.600 But there's no dad in the picture, really, like even 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.520 visits with the dad were supervised. Who were they supervised 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:43.000 by Benson connector So then she says, well, the group 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.799 home he came from was in the Bronx and he 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.560 does have a good friend there, so maybe you can 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.719 like chat with the boy. So they go down to 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.000 the group home. They're talking to an adult that's that 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.000 works there, who says that Michael tried to attack the 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.359 person who attacked Clayton and got his arm broken. So 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.800 they're at the really good friends So munchin Finn are like, okay, 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.759 so you had a friend here, this other guy that 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.520 attacked him got the guy who attacked him got attacked, 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.799 Like why didn't he stay? But his counselor thought a 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.480 foster home would be much better? So who the fuck 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.440 is this counselor. He also said that Michael did not 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.239 but I guess the whole point is to then have 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:17.560 a home. 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.120 I don't know, I don't know what's better. I guess 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.200 he was raped in this home. He should leave. 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:28.560 Yeah, it's like it's so fucked, really fucked. That's it's 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.440 really This episode's so dark. Once again, cannot believe we 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:34.640 tried to entertain people with this live well. 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.920 He also keep thinking about how I talked about in 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:38.839 the pod. But remember like the actor I worked with 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.920 who was like, well everyone gets help, and I go no, no, no, 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.040 like some people are in the foster care system and 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.040 he goes, no, you need invest and it's like, you know, 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.839 his dad owns lions Gate, and so it's like there 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.360 are people that just like don't even get that this exists, 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:56.680 where it's like, yeah, my dad is abusive, so I 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.040 have to go to this home and then I could 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.040 also get raped here, and then I'm at this foster 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.520 home before my permanent home and now I'm dead. 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.080 Yeah, like what the fuck? 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.160 And then there's people in this world that go, everyone 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.160 gets help, you need investors. 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.560 No one does it on their own. 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:15.600 And it's like, how do we get even people to 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:19.040 understand that this is happening and that this is people's 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.319 true reality and that there's no solutions and that they 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.600 have all this money and they just think everyone's like that, 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.560 Like I don't get it. I don't care how to 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:29.960 penetrate these people's brain. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.840 I don't know that you can like teach self awareness 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.839 or like, you know, I just don't think they just 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:39.680 be like I can't see outside themselves. 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.680 It should be mandatory Jenny Jones style boot camp for 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:50.440 any teen whose family makes more than one hundred thousand dollars, 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:55.360 like for one week you have to go Jones, you 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.759 have to go to boot camp like I don't know, 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.560 or everyone gets to do a sim like I don't 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.279 because it's also the separation, like because all these rich 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.040 and there's someone that I do like following, but I 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.480 do an'noy me. They're like any volunteer opportunities Christmas Eve, 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.880 we'd love to feed people, and it's like, well that's 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.520 more about you, and why Christmas Eve they have enough volunteers. 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:17.000 I don't know. 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.560 It just like right, it bothered me where it's like 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.279 the rich do this thing during the hall or like 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.480 we're there, but they separate themselves from these people. They 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.839 don't see it at like the we're the semon performative. 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:31.719 Just put your money out, put you throw a check, 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.520 throw a check at a food bank. 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:34.279 What are you talking about? 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.120 And that's also great to volunteer even on the anytime. 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:39.680 I don't want to knock on that, but it just 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.600 seems strange to only want to do it the most 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:43.719 popular day of the year. 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.240 To do it like that's confusing. 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:47.680 If you're ultra wealthy too, like to be like does 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.160 anyone know where I can be photographed serving up bowl? 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.000 Of soup to somebody who's hungry. That's what it is. 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.959 It's just like, no, the sign ups are fulled. 0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:01.839 For that day. Yeah, yeah, they got it. I don't know. 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:03.560 I hope she finds a place and I hope she 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.279 does it. But it's like, because even when the I 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.600 want these people to be aware these people exist, but 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.680 I feel like they feel. 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:11.720 Separate from these people. 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.279 Yeah, how do you make these people feel one with 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:18.239 these people that it's like you could have been the 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.839 you know, like on a fair Baby and then been 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.680 on the like one small change. 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.480 I don't know why I mentioned a fair Baby. I 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.240 don't know. I just don't get it. Well, there's a 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:35.640 hyper individualism that is growing more real by the day 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:38.600 in our culture, where people just only care about themselves 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.000 and and it's like, yeah, that's why they can't put 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.839 themselves in the shoes of somebody who immigrated here from 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.279 a worse place and it's just trying to make a 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.520 better life. They're like, get out of here, criminal, you know. 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.600 It's like all these people they can't put themselves in 0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.719 the shoes of people that don't get help. They you know, 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.480 they can't say outside themselves, no, yeah, I don't know 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:00.400 how wet it. 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.319 Well, no, and I think it's from the Puritans. Our 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:09.000 culture kind of like helped this forever money is virtue 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.839 or something, and so these people are unvirtuous. So this 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:17.359 young boy like no, and it hurts my I mean 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.760 he had a friend, Yeah, he did have a friend, 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.360 but just yeah, all right, I'm sorry. 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.359 I just don't get why this guy couldn't have gone 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.200 after just like a couple adults that Olivia's worked with, 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.160 we had to throw a kid in there. It's like 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.799 so bad, you're right, kill the adults, kill some adults. 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.880 Munchin Finn are like, why didn't? Okay, So the counselor 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.959 wanted him in the foster home. This is that's where 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.960 the spiral came from. Where It's like there is no 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.799 good answer because now he's fucking dead. So it's like, 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.160 do you want to go to this foster room and 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:48.560 be dead or do you want to stay at the 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.200 place where they raped you? Okay, So he says that 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.799 Michael denied seeing Clayton. Michael Clayton is also kind of 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.960 tough that you keep kind of saying that by accident. 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.640 You're not saying it, but I do keep hearing Michael Clayton. 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.200 Which is a movie I still have not seen. I 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:08.960 have to see it. Maybe i'll watch it a long time. 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.200 I should rewatch it. I don't remember it very well. 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.520 People love it. 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:15.680 So finally the adult walks into the room where the 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.719 boy is and he's sitting on the top bunk, and 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.759 you know, he's happy to talk and he but he 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.560 wants to see the badges first, so he knows what's up, 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.000 and he's on guard. And he does say that he 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.760 saw him yesterday and that Clayton was super excited because 0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.520 he got a letter that he won a free computer. 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.040 Oh no, and he knew it. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.640 Was a scam, but Clayton was pumped and he brought 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.759 the letter with him and basically he like didn't want 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.719 to get jumped on the train. So we asked if 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.560 he had any money to lend him, and so he 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.279 gave him money sweet to be able to take a 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.480 car and he called the car service from a McDonald's 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.560 parking lot. So like, what a cute kid, helpful and 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.200 has all this information and I hope he finds so 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.719 good permanent home. So now we cut to the Barantis 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.320 residence and this is the victim. The last victim, the woman, 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.200 and she never went out alone after the rape that 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.080 happened to her. She lost touch with friends. Her last 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.239 boyfriend ended up being abusive and then finally she got 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.719 rid of him after going to a counselor. And she 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.440 was doing good. She was going back to school, and 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:23.680 she even won a computer ding ding ding, And she 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.120 saw the letter and it looked like a sales deal, 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.080 like a promo, and she took it with her and 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:34.160 the mother thanks Benson for helping her daughter. And you know, 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.080 it's like sad that Benson did so much to help 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.600 this family and tried to but yeah, it is the 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.200 reason why this woman is dead, probably one hundred percent 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:45.880 for sure. So back at the precinct, it's a group meeting. 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.480 So Finn and Benson, like mentioned the computer thing, they 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.240 both connect on that. Immediately, Belzer gets off the phone 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.560 with a car service and they have the address he 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.480 was dropped off at. So then Craigan is going to 0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:57.960 go get a warrant and the four of them all 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:02.200 go together and they're met with the building manager and 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.240 he explains he's never met the guy that rents this place. 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.080 It all happened over the phone. He paid six months 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:12.320 in advance and it's Avelia Sonobin is like, on the 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.759 that's the name on the lease and it was a 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.560 local bank account. So they go into the office desk 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:23.120 boxes and there are designs from promotional materials and brochures 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:24.480 you get in the mail, so it looked like the 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.799 free computer thing. Then they find the computer papers in 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:31.560 the desk, so they're like, oh, so they probably like 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.920 the victim comes in here, it looks legit, it's an office, 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:36.839 and then offers him a drink and then that drink 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.680 is laced and that's what knocks out the victims. So 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.960 they're like, okay, so we do have a crime scene here. 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.759 There's glasses, there's the pamphlets, there's everything, and the guy 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.200 and we know the boy had this address that he 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.839 gave to the car service. And the building manager, of course, 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:52.840 is like, I'm not responsible. I'm not responsible. It's like 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.480 no one said you were, bro get the fuck out 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.080 of here. But then Benson closes the office door and 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.759 it's one of those like private eye style doors where 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:03.520 it's clear and on it there's it says the thing. 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.840 It says the letters of the where you're going basically 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.520 she closes the door and Avilia is Olivia backwards. 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:16.880 So that's exciting. So she closes the door. It says Olivia. Wow. 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.200 So now we get a beady Wong moment and George 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.760 Wang let's go. So it's three victims, different races, different gender, 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:27.719 different age. This is revenge. The real target is Benson 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.680 and he wanted to make it personal. And you know 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:35.080 this person wants her twisting stressed, and George Wang says also, 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.600 like this person wanted the bodies found, he wanted national attention, 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:41.480 he wanted them to be studied. It's at this federal 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:46.160 like you know, crime lab, forest thing, and but I 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:47.200 wonder if those are real. 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.080 They want to talk about it. 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:54.640 Oh cool, wait, I'm excited, and Benson's like okay, but 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.560 how does he know so much about the cases? Did 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.120 he get into my files? And Craigan's like, well, the 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.400 Tina Cordell case said a lot of attention, but like 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.160 what about the other two. And then they start being like, well, 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:08.040 you did go to like parental visitation meetings, and you 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.640 did keep helping Carmela, and she's getting defensive, like our 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.600 job just doesn't just end. After the court date like, 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.000 I'm helpful, and Kwang's like, nobody is blaming you, and 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.840 she screams, you think I led him to these people, 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.120 so you think I have a stalker. Okay, It's like, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:25.560 it's not your fault, babe. Let's go to the files 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.200 and see who has a grudge. So George Kwang has 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.480 one more bit. So potassium chloride, which was used on 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.520 the victims is an ingredient in a death row cocktail. 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.320 And they were using police restraints, so they had the 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.640 zip ties, and you know, it's an ex con probably, 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:42.440 you know, and so we need to find people that 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.400 really fucking hate her and our vocal about it. And 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:47.680 then they say, well, let's follow the money. So we're 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.960 at the bank of the business account. Benson and Stabler 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:52.919 are on the scene, and the count was opened four 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:55.400 months ago. There's been no activity for thirty days. The 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:59.120 balance is thirteen hundred dollars. So they basically asked the 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.640 bank woman like, if there's any activity on this account, 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.640 please hold a check and call the FBI, and the 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.000 bank woman agrees to it, but when they walk outside, 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.120 Benson seems pissed because she's like, what the fuck, why 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.200 are the FEDS involved? And Stabler goes, well, they're faster 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.680 and they're better and if they have issues, then it's 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.480 on them and not on us. And she's like, no, 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:20.680 fuck that your name wasn't on the door, So who's 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.839 ass are you covering? Like what are you doing? Why 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.279 are you so buddy buddy with the FBI? He goes, 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:27.840 we're on the same team. Come on, and then Benson 0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.600 gets a call mid fight and found they found Clayton's dad. 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.160 He's in lock up for a drunken disorderly and he's 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.800 like not believing that his child is dad. He's blaming 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.480 them for everything and the rape at the group home 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:42.799 and you know that he wasn't with his dad, and 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:44.759 they're like, but you were beating your kid, like what 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:47.359 do you want us to do? And that he didn't 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.120 have enough to eat. You weren't doing a good job, 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.160 and the dad asks for a guard. He goes, I'm 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:53.640 done with this. I don't give a fuck, and then 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:55.439 the duo have to just like walk out. The dad 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:57.799 does not want to help, obviously, he's like beating his 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:01.719 kid and starving him, so he's not gonna and fuck 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.439 the police. I'm sure in his mind because his son 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:06.560 did get raped in this group home, not that he. 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.160 I don't want to get into it. Any thoughts on 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:09.760 the dad. 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:14.560 No, I just yeah, he's blaming, he's lashing out. But 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:19.439 it is just like Clayton had a really hard life. Yeah, 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.719 that feels sad for him. That's the bottom line. So 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:24.800 now it's like a walk and talk in the streets. 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.879 So Benson keeps, of course being the hero. I'm okay, 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:31.520 I'm okay, I'm okay, and Stablor goes, no, it's not okay, 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.120 like a low life is out to get you. 0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.480 Staylor gets a phone call. We hear him ask how 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.120 many and then he goes, okay, fine, we'll split up, 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.759 and he's taking notes. And so now we have three 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:45.720 X cons that we're very vocal about getting revenge on Benson. 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.359 So we're gonna go visit them. So first we start 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.279 at West one twenty fifth Street. It's a man in 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.719 a wheelchair and it's actor Hassan Johnson from the Wire 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.960 and he's the famous meme. Do you know the meme 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.960 that I'm talking about this one? Yeah, yeah, he's that one. 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.160 Okay describes to the people what I did. 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.160 Yeah, it's like you you kind of like a. 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.479 Stroke, like a beard that doesn't exist, and like kind 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:11.080 of look really pensive. 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:15.440 Yeah, so it's so funny what makes moments And that's 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.480 probably one of the most famous gifts of our generation. 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:23.200 So he so basically, this guy's like, listen, I was 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.360 high on crack and I don't blame Benson. 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.560 You know, I don't blame you Benson for anything anymore. 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.680 Ah, my friends are dead or in jail, So like, 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:33.680 I'm not even sure what you guys want right now. 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.759 And Saylor was like, well, someone's after Benson, and he responds, well, 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:40.120 they're not that good since she's still breathing. 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.600 And he's over that whole lifestyle. 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.200 And he spends time helping the kids to not follow 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.359 in his footsteps. They want names, and he does give 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.600 the details on the cops and the reverend and everyone 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:53.880 who helped him, and he's pleasant as fuck, and he 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.480 wheels off and wishes them luck. Finn is in the 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:58.440 face of a man selling books on the street and 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.279 when Benson is mentioned, he goes, fuck that bitch. Is 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:05.920 she dead? And Finn hits him. I love it, he says. 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.680 So he's like, listen, I let them take my manhood 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:10.239 away from me. So I can get the fuck out 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.920 of prison. And she shows up and throws a monkey 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.160 wrench at my parole hearing it wasn't right. Munch goes, 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.640 you raped your kniece, that wasn't right, and letting you 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:19.600 out wasn't right. 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:21.400 But he goes, I take shots. 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.000 I'm fat as fuck, I'm sick, I have giant tits, 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:29.239 like I'm not fucking and so Finn says, but do 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.479 ponytails and Bretts still get you hot? 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.840 Fat boy? That should be on I would buy that 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:35.799 s what shirt? That's the classic? 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.799 Like's not in Dramalaney saying, you're telling me this guy 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.520 gets picked, like gets turned on my little girls in 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:44.200 pigtails or something like that. 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:48.520 Yes, classic, that's like a just a classic. Finn. 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.920 Also, I like the idea of you doing a brand 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:54.600 deal for chemical castration, you being like the spokesperson of 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.440 chemical Grustration, Like I love when they bring it up 0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:59.040 and you're like, that's what I'm talking about. 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.400 I mean I want for worse. I mean that the 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:06.400 person that I've become, I can't imagine. I would like 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:08.960 to see an alternate universe without this podcast. I'm just 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:14.759 like a calm, nice girl. JK but I mean chemical castration. 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:19.080 That's that's my like least controversial take. I would say, 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:23.920 you know what I mean, I'm like, yeah, yeah, executing billionaires, 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.120 I would say, is at the one end of the 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:31.239 spectrum chemical castration somewhere other side, left of center. So 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.680 but this guy reminds me very much of meat Loaf 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.400 and Fight Club physically. If you're wondering, like what's happening 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:39.560 to his body with this mastration. 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:41.160 His name is Robert Paulson. 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:52.719 Yes, okay, okay, but he says, no, sir, he does 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:54.759 ponytails and brets do not get him hot. 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.080 He's clean, he has no sex drive, and like what 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:01.080 you know, when will they leave him? And Munch says 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:02.600 a special kind of surgery. 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:04.879 So you know. 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:10.760 He wants the traditional castration. He wants the UNIQ model. 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so now we have to Now 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:15.600 we go to another person. It's a woman at a 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.120 flower shop and she's like, I divorced him. 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:20.400 I don't give a fuck, leave me alone. 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.959 She's fuming at Benson and Stabler, and she has such 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:28.600 skinny eyebrows too, very of the you know, the years 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.239 of the two thousand and one, like a very f 0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:33.960 an eyebrows. She angrily puts together a bouquet, and it's 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.080 kind of like funny, like watching someone pissed off but 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.320 putting together flowers. But she goes, you put an innocent 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.400 man in prison for seven years. He didn't commit those crimes. 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.759 Leave Eric alone and Saybil goes, listen, we didn't have 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.120 DNA evidence when we did. 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.000 It cleared him. And she's like, oh, so that makes 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:51.680 everything right. 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:53.480 And they just need to know where he is and 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:55.000 she says, I don't know, and if I did, I 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.360 still wouldn't tell you. So they go okay, and then 0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:58.960 they're like, well, dumb her phone, we'll see if she 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:00.799 reaches out to him and to give him a heads up. 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.160 Benson says she's tired and wants to pack it in 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.360 and I feel like she's lying. But then she we 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.840 do just see her resting, but like you for me. 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.279 When she says this, I go, oh, she's doing like 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:14.799 a side operation. She's mad at him for like the 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.360 FEDS or something like, I don't know. I didn't believe 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.319 that she was actually tired, But then it cuts to 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.759 her resting to her in bed yeaheah. Normally, when she 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.239 says that she's like, I'm gonna go take some personal time, 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.319 and she's just fully launching a side investigation. 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:28.439 Yeah, but no, she. 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.719 Does go sleep here, but also stablers like, well, no, 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.920 don't rest, don't rest, Let's go to dinner, and Benson 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.239 has to go you haven't seen her kids in a while, 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.160 maybe you should go home, Like she has to push 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:38.440 him to go home, but I. 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.399 Think he knows she's struggling, Like I. 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.200 Get all of this, but even Benson's like, go home 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:44.719 with your kids, and she is really sleeping. No lies here, 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:46.399 no secret investigations. 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.200 She's like fully just pissed at him this whole episode 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.840 because she feels like he doesn't have her back with 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.600 the FBI, and then he's buddying up to the FBI 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.960 because I don't know. We're always saying on this podcast, 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.840 like why don't they just hold can work together and 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:05.080 get the job done. And Benson seems to be really uncharacteristically. 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:05.960 Oh. 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:08.239 I think also, her mom's died recently, so she's in 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:08.680 a mood. 0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.400 It's a mom died mood, Okay, I think so. I 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:13.520 think it's like her mom's died pretty recently, and she's 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:14.879 like in a mood season two. 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:18.359 Okay, yeah, this is the top of season three kind 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:19.879 of right, like pretty close to the top. 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:24.640 Yeah, yeah, because it's fueah yeah damn. But Benson's sleeping 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:28.440 perfect moonlight on her, and then we hear buzz buzz 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:32.200 buzz buzz buzz, continuous door buzzing at four thirty nine am. 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.640 It will not stop, keeps buzzing. Benson asks who it is. 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:38.319 No one answers the intercom. She's annoyed and says, you 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:41.600 have the wrong apartment. I would be a little more suspicious, 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:42.959 but the buzzing does start again. 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.040 Girl, you're a detective. She finally gets it. 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.960 She grabs her gun, goes downstairs, and I love her 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:51.840 in like pajama pants, tank top gun. But okay, so 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.600 she is downstairs and nobody is there. A toothpick is 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.640 stuck in the button and it keeps buzzing. She looks around. 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.080 There's a box on the curb with the trash. It's 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:05.799 from a Violi productions or promotions or whatever, and there's 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:07.319 an arm sticking out of it. 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:13.280 Fuck. So then she starts buzzing. Who is she buzzing? 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:14.560 Did she not bring her key? 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:18.080 I think she's buzzing anybody in the building to like 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:19.919 wake them up to call the cops because she didn't 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:20.920 bring a phone or something. 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.160 No, fine, but go way back in and call the cop. 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.600 I don't understand waking up all of your neighbors to 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:29.600 look at the dead body. I question her decision making 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.360 in this moment. She could have stress. She's scared. 0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.879 Maybe she's right around the corner he's gonna kill her. 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:35.920 She's like, let me back in. 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:39.319 I don't know right or right or right. So it's 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.600 an active crime scene. Now Benson's disassociating. She's in a 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:49.280 cream sweater. And then Clayton, Derek's father, that's the body, 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:53.279 that's the So this guy had a drunken disorderly and 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:56.120 now he's in the box dead. So again it's someone 0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:58.600 she was talking to that ends up dead. And then 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.520 the old the FBI guy from up top is trying 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.680 to get Scoop and Benson's and Stabler they're being you know, difficult. 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.120 She's like, you think if I had something, I wouldn't 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.239 tell you And he's like, yeah, Like usually we're not 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.400 that careful when it comes to our own safety, you 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.600 know how all of us are. Like, it's weird to 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.440 see the FBI being nice. It's usually the other way around, 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.480 Like I am team FBI, and Sabler goes, my partner 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:21.520 knows how to do her job. 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:23.879 And he's like, yeah, I never said she did it. 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:26.520 And he goes, okay, I get it, but she needs 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:31.000 to stand down, okay, and she says no, wait, he 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.239 didn't say it like that. He goes listen, like, she 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:35.880 just needs to stand down. I get everything you're saying. 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:37.920 It is what it is. And she says no, and 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.520 he's like, well, this man was alive until you went 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.640 to the tombs to question him. So and Stabler goes, 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:45.320 it's too early to point fingers. 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.279 But I again, I don't think it is. 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:51.160 And this dude, wait, is this our next march? I 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:52.759 don't need protective custody. 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:53.719 What do you do? 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:59.200 I said no to the protective detail? Is that is 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.680 that too weird a shirt? 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:04.799 Let's talk about it's let's brainstorm that. 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.359 What's a smoother way to say it? There must be 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.560 like a quicker way to be like I don't want that. Wait, 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:14.080 it has protective detail a circle and then an X 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:14.600 through it. 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.520 I mean I would say I would love a protective detail. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.400 Give me a protector. Yeah, I would love a protect 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.560 I would love it all the time. A productive detail, yeah, 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.440 start taking detail out of bed, Come on. 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:29.560 I would I would start more fights. Honestly. 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:31.720 The only time I really don't get engaged is when 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.720 I know I would lose in a physical fight. 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:34.040 Yeah. 0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:36.240 Yeah, yeah, but not with a productive detail. 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:40.520 If I had protective detail, oh, I'd be starting fights 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:42.280 left and right, everywhere shoving. 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:46.560 That's the reality show. It's Liza, but with a protective detail. 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:55.040 Okay, so okay, this guy's being normally goes I listen, 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:57.920 I'm not blaming you, but you can't work like you 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.880 can't work the case. She goes off, I don't work 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:04.080 for you. These victims are my cases. So he goes, 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:07.840 all right, you're being stalked. You need a detail. She again, No, 0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:12.160 forget about it. I'm not a victim. Like I don't 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:13.640 get I don't get it. I don't get it. I 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:14.920 will never get this mentality. 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:18.720 I don't. There's macho shit that she They all do this. 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:23.040 Yeah, they all do it, all the lawyers, the judges, everyone, 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:26.920 and they always get injured. Yeah, so she just is 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:28.960 basically like someone left a dead body of a man. 0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:31.120 I just talked to in a box outside my apartment, 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.720 and Benson goes, and you are wasting our time. 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:36.520 Okay, let's let's get to work. Does anyone know who 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:38.920 bailed this dude out of the tombs? And the release 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.920 form says it was you Benson. She goes, damn. So 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:46.160 they go to Lonnie bail bonds and this dude flips 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:49.760 through some papers and a man named Oliver Benson laid 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:52.240 down a g So Benson and Saibler go, well, they 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.120 make guys and go where's the ID? 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:55.600 He goes, guy paid cash. 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:57.960 He says he doesn't need idea unless property being used 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.000 for collateral. You know, they're always on the defensive because 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.720 they know they're shady motherfuckers. They ask for a de 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:04.920 prescription of the guy, and the guy starts yelling, oh 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:06.919 I see so many people I don't blah blah blah, 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.320 and so Benson goes, okay, well that guy was on 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:13.920 federal charges and with capital crime, so yeah, I'll call 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:14.360 the fence. 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:15.800 How about that? And he goes. 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:18.320 He calls her sweetheart, big mistakes. Shouldn't have done that. 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:20.720 So as soon as Sweetheart runs out of his mouth, 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:24.360 they cause a commotion. Badges up kicking everyone out, and 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:26.640 since he didn't get the ID, they start asking for 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:29.440 full records on everything and everybody or you're gonna be 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:32.080 fuck So he goes, okay, okay, well no, he goes, 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:33.880 it's not drug money. It was one thousand dollars. He goes, 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:36.720 anyone can raise one thousand dollars, So I didn't think it. 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:38.720 Was a big deal. But he he. 0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:42.360 Goes, listen, wait guy average late twenties, early thirties, like 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:43.960 there's nothing to him. 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:47.040 Benson's fuming. So now we're at Craigan's office. 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.880 FBI guy knock, knock, knock, and Craigan asks official or 0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:53.320 off the record. He says both, So he's like, put 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:55.560 Benson on a desk. Craigan goes, no, she's my best. 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:57.640 She's the best the sective I have. He says, I 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.400 don't doubt it, but the bodies were found on federal property, 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:01.880 and I can take this case from all of you 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:02.600 in any second. 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:04.240 I want to, so fucking buck. 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:07.600 Up, and he goes, and I'll fuck up your file 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:09.720 and Craigan says, you can fuck me up with all 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.120 Like whatever you do, I make choices in life, and 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:14.520 I've already made mine. 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:21.200 That's hot, Craigan, that's like standing on business for miss Olivia. Ben'son. 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:26.600 Yeah. So he leaves and you know, respect on both ends. 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.920 These men are working very well together. So then Benson 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:32.720 and FBI guy make eye contact as he walks out, 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.760 and Craigan just says, you know, back to work, everyone, 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:38.200 no worries. So he asks any evidence that Eric Plummer 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:41.000 called his ex wife. Munch talks shit about Flowers being 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:43.520 a waste of money. Finn of course has to remind 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:46.560 him that is why you are divorced, sir. And then 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:49.120 Finn goes, well, I get everyone flowers, and Munch goes, 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:50.120 that's because you have to. 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:51.520 So I don't know. 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:56.400 So Stabler found a forty five minute call to a 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.960 Baseline labs. Finn goes, wait, if Plumber works at the lab, 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:03.000 that means he also has access to potassium chloride, and 1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:05.440 Munch jumps in that like one of the victims, though 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:09.040 unfortunately had a different drug. This one the newest one, 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:12.600 the dad Bruce, he had pavelin. I don't know, but 1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:15.800 the dad's the dad suffered, so the other three did 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:19.160 not suffer. It was just like sleep to death. And 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:22.200 then this guy choked and struggled for two minutes to die. 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:27.280 So Benson says, well, because he's a bad guy and 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:28.360 those were innocent people. 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.520 Oh the dad, Clayton's dad, not the dad, not the 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:36.280 third dad. Yeah, yeah, the ladies. Yes, this guy is 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:39.280 like this, this purp is handing down a lot of 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:42.360 moral judgments through his crimes. 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:43.040 Yeah. 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:45.920 So Benson says, oh, he saw him like a purp 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:50.520 and executed him like one. Craigan says, to check the 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:54.959 employees with plumber at this place. So Creagan goes, Okay, 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:56.560 go to the go to the lab, you know, talk 1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:59.040 to people. So Craigan reminds Benson to take it easy 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:02.240 because she, you know, she's wound a little tight and oh, 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:04.880 you worried about something? She says, pissed and he's like, yeah, 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:09.080 your safety, Like we all love you, Olivia, we just 1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:13.280 don't want you murdered. And she again says, no protective detail. 1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:15.200 I'm not trying to be a hero, but that's what 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:18.000 the guy wants. And Craigan goes, but what if you're next, 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:20.680 and she goes, no, he wants me twisting and thinking, 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:23.959 not dead. So Stabler goes, how can you be sure 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.520 of that? And she says, because it's working. So they 1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:29.040 go to Baseline Labs and he knows nobody under that name. 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:31.600 But when they show the plumber's photo, the guy says, oh, 1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:32.800 that looks like Norman Weber. 1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:35.280 So he does insurance services. 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:37.960 He gets blood you're in samples for physicals, and he 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.680 goes to you know, Patience Homes. He says, they have 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:44.080 a strict, rigorous screening process with lots of background checks, 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:45.240 and Norman passed it. 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:46.720 He's at the Upper West. 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:50.040 Side right now, at an apartment and the suspense the 1:02:50.080 --> 1:02:52.320 suspender guy looks nervous. He's like, wait, you know, like 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.160 one freak could lose us a lot of contracts. And 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:57.880 Sailor goes, oh, no, he's not a suspect or anything like. 1:02:57.880 --> 1:02:59.480 We just want to talk to him. So they haven't 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:01.880 call us. So Huang is back at work and he 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:04.200 has like some ideas and wants to like bounce with Benson, 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:06.280 and Benson goes, no, he just fucking hates me and 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:08.919 he's killing people that I try to help. And he goes, 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.120 and how does that make you feel? She goes, hey, doc, 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:13.320 how about you not therapy me? Thank you very much. 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:16.640 So they bond and they giggle and chat and Benson's like, fuck, 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.800 he's been planning this for a while. And Huang's like, well, look, 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:22.200 he gave these people a painless death and had them 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:25.840 all comforting each other. They're you know, this is psychological warfare. 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:31.000 And he thinks, like, maybe this dude believes he's freeing them. 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:34.160 You know, they have this miserable existence that you left 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:37.200 them in. And he identifies with them, and he says 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:39.920 he sees them all like him, a victim of Benson 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:43.080 because you know, he went to Jones and was innocent. 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:46.960 So they're in the balcony loft area and they hear, 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:49.960 you know, Eric Plumber on the ground floor, so they 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:53.640 go downstairs. Kragan is greeting him. Benson looks over the 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:57.880 banister and he has a great attorney. Ned Eisenberg rests 1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:01.240 in peace and so gets to work right away. Is 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:04.640 he under duress, suspect all that? Cabot says that it's 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:09.560 all that's premature. It's an ongoing investigation. And now we 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:12.480 can fully see Plumber and it's the brother from Weeds. 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:16.400 His name is Justin Kirk and he loves days working. 1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:18.080 I love him too, and I wonder if it's just 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:22.520 on that show. He wasn't that Animal Practice show? Yes, whatever, 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:26.200 And he's always working, and I think he's attractive, and 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:28.760 he kind of looks like Harry Connick Junior, who I 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:29.720 don't think is he. 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:32.160 Kind of does. He's like I had such a crush 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:33.160 on him from Weeds. 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:36.760 Yeah, I think he was on I think he was 1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:41.520 on Blackish as like a sneakerhead guy, like yeah, Modern Family. 1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:45.280 He works, he works, Yeah, he's working. I love when 1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:46.800 I see him pop up because I think he's so hot. 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:48.320 And then I always think about him in this episode 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:54.760 and go, you're also freaky, freaky, And so he's stoneface. 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:57.640 It's really funny. He should be a meme. So funny 1:04:57.760 --> 1:05:02.360 the stoneface he gives counsel requests. Benson leaves and Munchinfin 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:03.760 are like, oh yeah, let's go down to the bar. 1:05:03.880 --> 1:05:06.160 So they take her to the bar. Stabler leaves and 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:08.640 it's meeting time. The lawyers like, he went through hell 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:10.520 in prison. He would never want to go back, and 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:12.280 the last time he worked with you guys, he ended 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:14.080 up in jail for a crime he did not commit. 1:05:14.440 --> 1:05:17.040 You have to leave him alone. Cabot's like he had 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:19.760 a fair trial. And he was convicted by a jury 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.720 of his peers. He wasn't singled out by Benson, and 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:27.400 Plumber goes, have you ever been to prison, arrested, cuffed, printed, photographed? 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:30.960 I was beaten, raped, and tortured. I finally learned to 1:05:30.960 --> 1:05:34.200 stop screaming. Do not minimize what I went through by 1:05:34.280 --> 1:05:37.760 telling me I got a fair trial. Good point, and 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:42.320 Cabot is silenced. Stabler asks why he changed his name, 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:44.360 and he's like, I wanted a fresh start and he 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:46.360 finally felt safe. And then the cops show up to 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:48.160 his job, like how long does he have to pay 1:05:48.200 --> 1:05:50.920 for a crime he did not commit. Sabler is not 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:53.520 deterred and keeps asking questions, what drugs do you have 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:54.080 access to? 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:54.800 None? 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:56.680 I'm at a lab. I'm not at a hospital, Like 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:59.080 what the fuck? And Stabler keeps pushing about the potassium 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.200 chloride and Plumber says, I don't know what that is. 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:04.920 He directs his lawyer to show his work records for 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:08.160 the last two weeks, but lives alone, so you know, nighttime, 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:12.560 no alibi. They leave Craigan, Cabot and Stabler chat. Cabot's like, listen, 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:14.360 we need to prove the syringe was in his hand. 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:15.920 If we want to send him up again, like we 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:18.480 fucked up. We sent him an innocent man to prison. 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.760 We have to be one hundred percent this time. Sailor 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:23.680 likes him for the crime, and so does Craigan. So 1:06:23.760 --> 1:06:26.120 Craigan sends him to talk to people that sing, sing 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:28.400 and see if we can get more scoop. Now we're 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:30.440 at the bar and. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:34.000 The the detectives are splitting a picture and you know, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.280 they're trying to cheer Benson up, and Munch is like, 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:37.280 it was a good bus. 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:40.640 You did everything right. They have a little discussion. How 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.680 most people are home alone at night in the last 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:45.720 few weeks, you know, like if someone asks you Thursday 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:46.520 this time. 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:48.920 Where were you? You might know because you have a 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:51.280 Google calendar. I had to look at my calendar, though 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:52.800 I don't know off the top of my head. 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:55.840 Yeah, I guess you can just have a fake calendar 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.280 and lie, but at least you'd have alibi. 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:01.640 Yeah, but like most people, if you do live alone, 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:05.120 you're usually home alone. Like what do you do if 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:08.760 you're a single person where people think you did a 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:10.960 crime and you were home, Like, how do you prove it? 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.360 I wondered, Like Roku. I know, did you order a 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:15.120 pay per view? 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:17.040 Like that used to be the big thing was like 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:18.840 did you order pay per view in your hotel if 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:19.680 you're by yourself? 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:21.560 Because now but that doesn't even matter. 1:07:21.560 --> 1:07:23.480 It's like I can order Uber Eats and leave, Like, 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:26.440 I guess there's a sure there's a camera in my lobby. 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:28.040 There's a security camera. 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:32.080 I guess I could prove that I came in, But 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:33.520 then I would have been able to leave off my 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:35.640 fire escape if I really wanted to commit the crime. 1:07:35.840 --> 1:07:38.000 Yeah, yeah, what do you? 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.280 So that's Benson's point in this discussion, like, you know, 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:44.360 months you're probably home alone with no underoing what you did. 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.760 And so you know, she put she helped put it 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.440 in a sent man away and that and and she's 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:53.400 a good person, so it weighs on her. And the 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:57.160 evidence was weak, it was circumstantial. She's spiraling, and Finn goes, 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:59.960 fuck you sound like a legal aid lawyer that's embarrassed. 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:02.440 And she goes, he's a victim, Like what do you 1:08:02.480 --> 1:08:04.960 guys want from me? And Munch says, but if he's 1:08:05.000 --> 1:08:07.640 your guy, he's a predator, not a victim. And Benson says, 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:10.280 we blame all kinds of people for creating monsters. 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:12.840 Why not ourselves? Good point. 1:08:13.320 --> 1:08:16.280 So she downs her beer and goes outside. She's in 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:18.680 a red scarf. She's walking, there's footsteps behind her. A 1:08:18.720 --> 1:08:21.280 man is following her. She spirals around and pulls a 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.080 gun on a man who tells her to stay calm 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:27.479 and that he's FBI. So they're tailing her. Some more 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:30.160 guys run out. It's a protective detail, and she's like, 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:32.800 I told the FBI no, and he goes, this was 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:38.439 an FBI, this was stabler. She's stunned, so she goes 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:41.040 and wakes his ass up. Ding dong, bitch, wake up. 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:43.920 So he starts defending his actions before she even says 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:46.880 a word. She says, only the rat squad puts cops 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:49.639 on other cops. And she says that she deserves better 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:51.960 than that. He says, and he goes, I did what 1:08:52.040 --> 1:08:54.759 I had to do. This man is murdered four people. 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:57.400 She says, when you can't trust your partner, it's time 1:08:57.400 --> 1:09:00.759 to get a new partner, and goes right to Cabot 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:03.040 to scream at her. So she's like, why aren't you 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:05.479 getting Warrens, you dumb bitch, And she's like I don't know, 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:07.799 if you remember, we did put an innocent man in prison, 1:09:08.280 --> 1:09:10.400 so it's going to be harder to just get a warrant. 1:09:10.760 --> 1:09:13.080 And she's like, I swear I saw him. I swear 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.800 he is stalking me. And she says, well, I don't 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:19.599 know he was in our interview room, so I don't 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.639 know if he could have been there, and then uh, 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:26.080 and Cabbot goes, it's also still circumstantially, he could just be. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:27.040 In the neighborhood. 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:31.280 And then Cabot's like, how many drinks did you have? 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:36.280 And I mean, Benson does not like that. Obviously her 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:37.560 mom died of alcoholism. 1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:42.280 Yeah, she's pissed, like she looks shocked for like like seconds, 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:46.640 and then looks pissed and then she slowly spins to 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:48.960 release the anger, like she's so angry, she just to 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:52.200 spin around, and then it's wet eyes and anger, and 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:55.000 then it takes her a few moments and then she goes, 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:58.759 I wasn't drunk, and she walks out. Craigan has Olivia 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:00.920 in his office and he doesn't out she saw him, 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:03.640 but she is not acting right, and she goes, you 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:07.040 know you know what, you know what I have vacation 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:09.920 time and I want distance and I want time off 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:11.920 and Crane goes, if you need it, take it as 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:14.160 of now you're out. She says, thank you, she leaves, 1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:16.640 and so now only the men are left in the 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.519 center precinct to get to work. So what's the sing 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:21.960 sing of it all is he started a lot of 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:24.800 fights and that's to get in the hole, and Finn 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:26.960 says that's a good idea because then nobody can get you. 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:29.640 And the only visitor he had the whole time was 1:10:29.640 --> 1:10:32.599 his ex wife. They wrote to each other daily even 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:35.200 after the divorce, and he had a cell mate named 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:38.639 Russell Williams who's actually at Rikers right now awaiting another 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:42.120 murder trial, so kind of exciting. And he I don't 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:44.840 know why I said that he wants a deal, but 1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:46.720 maybe we can chat and see what's up. 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:49.400 But he is like a repeat murderer offender. 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:51.960 But the DA in charge is like, not letting Cabot 1:10:52.000 --> 1:10:54.080 do this, and she goes, whatever, he killed a drug 1:10:54.120 --> 1:10:56.160 dealer who gives a fuck like instead of life, give 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:58.920 him twelve to fifteen. And the DA is like, what 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:01.280 you don't get to put a value on whose life has? 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:01.599 More? 1:11:01.680 --> 1:11:03.200 Like what are we talking about? 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:06.280 And Cabot's just like, we need to catch this guy 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:08.280 who'd like dumped a ten year old dead boy on 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:12.320 rotting corpses like, come on, let's so this guy will 1:11:12.360 --> 1:11:16.360 get twenty five. Let's go, and so we go. The 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:18.320 guy gives in, so we're gonna go talk to him. 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:22.080 So this this killer goes, so, what did Eric do 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:24.880 to make you guys so willing to grab your ankles? 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:26.919 I like that? Whoa? 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:30.240 And so the old guy goes, we're wasting our time. 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:31.720 Fuck you, I'm out of here. 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:34.400 He starts to leave, but Williams stands up and says 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:37.080 that Eric had a thing for a female cop, that 1:11:37.200 --> 1:11:39.880 he talked about it NonStop, and Cabot asks for proof, 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:41.759 and he goes, what you think I had a recorder? 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:44.320 What the fuck are you talking about? Kabot goes, yeah, 1:11:44.320 --> 1:11:47.599 but your word means nothing, and he says, how about this? 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:51.840 How about hand delivered letters? So basically this is the 1:11:51.880 --> 1:11:53.080 old prison express. 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:54.800 But I don't know how that. Okay, so explain this 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:55.000 to me. 1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:59.240 So he says, so Williams, this guy would hand these 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:01.880 letters to his old lady, and that the old lady 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:03.839 would hand it to his wife, and it would avoid 1:12:03.880 --> 1:12:06.439 the warden. Is it because you snuck it into her? 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:08.280 Like do they not search you when you do visitation? 1:12:09.000 --> 1:12:10.640 Or you're allowed to give your wife a letter? Like 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:12.920 why would the warden not see that letter? Like I 1:12:12.960 --> 1:12:14.280 wonder what that vibe is. 1:12:14.880 --> 1:12:18.640 I don't know, I didn't I don't get that. 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:22.280 I don't know the normal mail way the worden is reading. 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:26.040 So then he says, if you're thinking like that, he 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:28.439 spilled all this and I'm just some guy. Can you 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:31.400 imagine what he told his old lady. So finally they 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:33.400 got the warrant for the letters, so they're at Eric's 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:35.400 house and that means they got their warrant because they 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:38.960 found two dozen letters at the ex wife's house and 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:41.479 that could so much evidence that it can actually get 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:43.920 her to be an accessory to a crime. And there's 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:48.360 pictures of Olivia, newspaper clippings, and then under the floor 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:53.000 tile in the kitchen they find the chemicals that were used, 1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:55.519 so they can finally arrest him. So the boss is 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:58.519 pissed and it's like, leave us alone. Norman told me 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:02.080 what happened, get out of here. He would exonerated. And 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:05.320 then while he's like screaming, fighting the detectives about like 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:08.280 not wanting to help them find Norman. Because he is 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:10.439 an innocent man that was put in prison, it's easy 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:13.000 to take his side. He spills that the girl cop 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.760 was already there, so Olivia aka this is when she 1:13:15.840 --> 1:13:18.800 lies about her time off, she already got this information 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:23.479 and was given the address to the patient that's whose 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:26.839 house there in So now Stable has to run. Benson 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:29.120 goes and buzzes and gets led up to an apartment 1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:31.200 and she hears a gun shot fuck, and then the 1:13:31.240 --> 1:13:33.439 door opens. It's a curly haired woman with a gun 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:36.559 to her head, and he's like, come in, come in, 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:40.040 and she says I can't, and he's like, so basically, 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:42.479 the curly haired woman goes, he knew that you were coming, 1:13:43.000 --> 1:13:45.280 So he says to tell you that all the other 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:48.799 people didn't suffer, but that she won't be so lucky, 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:51.840 and then he pulls her inside, so she's like, out 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:54.360 of you, and Benson then has to run inside to 1:13:54.400 --> 1:13:57.240 help this woman. So she goes, it's between us, let 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:59.120 her go, it's just us, and he says, how does 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:02.599 it feel to have your credibility shattered and life in ruins? 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:05.280 And She says it sucks, and he says I was innocent. 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:08.040 She says, you were, but now you've killed four innocent people. 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.240 He goes, no, three innocent people and one child abuse 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:12.680 her and she says why did you choose them? And 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.719 he goes they were suffering and they needed their suffering 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:17.639 to end, and who was going to help them? 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:18.040 You? 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:21.320 And Benson says, sorry, what happened to you? I really am. 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:23.839 I can't turn back the clock, but I can testify 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:25.720 for you on your behalf and I can admit an 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:28.360 open court. I am responsible for all of this. He 1:14:28.439 --> 1:14:30.719 laughs in her face there's not going to be a trial. 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:34.000 And the woman's crying. There's still a gun to her head, 1:14:34.560 --> 1:14:37.240 and Benson asks again, like, please let her go. Let's 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:40.439 talk about it. He goes, there's nothing to discuss. She says, 1:14:40.439 --> 1:14:43.559 please let's talk, because don't think I won't fucking kill you, 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:46.679 and he says, no, I'm counting on it, Detective Benson, 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:49.400 and he pushes the woman down, gun to her head 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:52.360 and she screams, drop your weapon, Drop your weapon. He 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:54.439 says there are no bullets in this gun, but he 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:57.320 acts like he's going to shoot her, and Benson does 1:14:57.400 --> 1:14:57.880 murder him. 1:14:57.880 --> 1:14:58.960 Bang bang, he's dead. 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:02.120 Stabler Munch walk in right behind her right after the shooting. 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.360 Finn is there as well. Stabler tells her it's okay. 1:15:05.720 --> 1:15:07.439 He had no bullets in the gun though, so her 1:15:07.520 --> 1:15:10.840 eyes wet up. She's so mad, and Stabler says let's go, 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.600 and she says, I've got to give my statement. He 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:17.120 says i'll take you. Benson says, you leave me alone 1:15:17.360 --> 1:15:20.400 and walks off. So now she's home, She's in a sweatsuit, 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:24.479 it's raining outside. She's looking out at the rain. Knock knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:26.519 She won't answer the door. Then the phone ring, she's 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:29.280 not answering that either. There's a tear down her face. 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:32.240 And then so we watched Stabler leave like her apartment 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:35.840 and shuts his little flip phone. And that's Dick Wolf. 1:15:35.920 --> 1:15:38.120 Baby. It's a fucking wild one. 1:15:38.240 --> 1:15:39.840 It's a wild one because there's another one, you know, 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:41.800 the biker one with the fake DNA where they set 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:45.880 Olivia Olivia, but he shows up to fight her and 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:48.439 kill her. So I always get confused between the two. 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:50.280 But yeah, it sucks that she had to shoot him 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:52.000 and he had the plan. I mean, it was a 1:15:52.040 --> 1:15:54.519 sue it was. It was a suicide mission. 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:54.920 It was. 1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:58.559 Honestly, it's a surprising that there's not more episodes about 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:02.559 men like blaming Olivia for their own crimes and trying 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:05.080 to get her because we see how short the sentences 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:06.840 are for some of these rapists. So they're gonna get 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:09.120 out and they're looking for someone to blame him. Why 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:12.800 not Olivia Benson who got in their face and sent 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:13.439 them to jail. 1:16:14.000 --> 1:16:17.040 But it's fucking crazy. 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:19.320 You know what the saddest part about this, these fucking 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:22.559 crimes is that all of these people were like having 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:24.920 such a fucking hard time in their lives, and then 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:28.160 they thought they were getting a new computer, and they 1:16:28.360 --> 1:16:30.280 just went to this place to pick up a new 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.799 fucking computer, like that little kid who's probably so psyched 1:16:33.800 --> 1:16:38.080 his new computer and then lights out. I just fucking 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:40.840 can't with this guy. And he thinks he's like the guard. 1:16:40.920 --> 1:16:42.800 He thinks he's like the angel of death, and he's 1:16:42.840 --> 1:16:44.679 helping people die because they're miserable. 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:47.479 Don't offer them a fucking free computer. Let them figure 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:47.800 it out. 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:50.080 Well, I think it's also because he wanted to die, 1:16:50.160 --> 1:16:51.639 so you like assumed they all did. 1:16:52.120 --> 1:17:00.599 Yeah, yeah, probably that's true. 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:04.879 Okay, so let's get into the crime. 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:07.640 Originally we did not think that this episode had a 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:12.400 crime attached. But but the way is no barrier to entry, 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:13.640 so anyone can there's one. 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:17.320 Yeah, Wikipedia is like could write that is it? 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:19.800 Yeah, but it could write that every single one is 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:22.400 based on like Ted Bundy, and it has. I mean 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:25.880 there's one that it said it was based on, which 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:28.719 is the crime of Eddie Mattos, The case of Eddie Mattos, 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:31.800 who I did research and found out he was this 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:34.760 guy who in a chase after an arm robbery at 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:38.120 McDonald's in New York City, he pushed a police officer 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:43.519 into an air shaft, killing him and went to jail. 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:45.240 I don't really know what any of that has to 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:46.720 do with what we just watched, so I'm not going 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:48.720 to be reporting on that case. But if somebody could 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:50.200 go in and take that out of the wiki, that'd 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:52.720 be very helpful. I don't have a log in, but 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:56.160 let's start out with body farms, okay, because I did 1:17:56.160 --> 1:17:58.439 google body farms so that you don't have to because 1:17:58.479 --> 1:18:04.160 the pictures are unforced. The first body farm was also 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:07.960 known as the Forensic Anthropology Center at the Anthropology Research 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:11.400 Facility in Knoxville, Tennessee, at the University of Tennessee Knoxville, 1:18:11.520 --> 1:18:16.760 where my brother in law lives. And this was founded 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:24.240 in I guess the facility was established in nineteen eighty 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:28.200 one when the first body was donated, but the body 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:31.959 farm working with the FBI started in the late nineties 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:35.680 because as of like twenty nineteen or so, they were 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:40.360 celebrating twenty years of this project. And they basically have 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:43.280 a course there for agents in the FBI called Recovery 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:44.040 of Human Remains. 1:18:44.040 --> 1:18:45.639 It's one of the most popular courses. 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:48.519 And this is basically just an outdoor site two and 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.519 a half acres where human remains are buried with they're 1:18:51.560 --> 1:18:54.759 donated bodies. That's why it's so wild that they found 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:56.760 these like three bodies in the episode that are not 1:18:56.880 --> 1:19:01.599 one of theirs. They're left out theried, they're partially covered, 1:19:01.640 --> 1:19:04.320 they're subjected to these different elements. 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:07.160 And where they get these bodies, they're donated to science. 1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:09.599 It's a science. It's science, or it's like I want 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:10.400 there is it? 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:10.760 Is it? 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:12.280 Because if I. 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:15.519 Want to be in a museum, I want to be 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:17.160 in the body's exhibit. I don't want to be at 1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:22.120 a body farm, Like, can you pick what science it's for, Like, 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:23.920 I don't want to be at a loser medical No. 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:26.839 I know, you're like, I'm going to just let cops 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:29.240 like brush my body off, Like I don't know. 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:31.760 Yeah, you're right, I don't know how the process. 1:19:31.520 --> 1:19:34.599 Because remember the woman that was like shot off into space. 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:36.320 We covered that, Yeah, we did. 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.920 People are really stretching the boundaries of the definition of science, 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.320 it feels, but some of them are going to this 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:47.799 rec and you know, it does help law enforcement study 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:50.800 how bodies break down and decompose under different conditions. I mean, 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.200 like I don't think Melinda Warner would have been able 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:56.559 to figure out the whole speeding up of the deal. 1:19:56.600 --> 1:19:59.000 I mean she finds people indoors most of the time, 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:02.360 but this is for specific like finding bodies outside, like 1:20:02.479 --> 1:20:05.280 in nature and how nature interacts with these different because 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:07.840 sometimes we've seen where they've made a mistake and they're like, well, 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:09.320 they thought the time of death was this time, but 1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:12.760 they didn't account for the fact that it was uncharacteristically 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:16.880 freezing that time of year. Uh, and the body had 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:19.640 been actually killed earlier and had been preserved by the cold. So, 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:23.040 I mean, I guess it is good for working with 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.479 law enforcement. I don't know. 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:25.960 I don't know. 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:28.360 Well, because this reminds me of the forensic files that 1:20:28.439 --> 1:20:30.439 I really love, where it's like they are able to 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.559 solve the crime because of the maggots. Yes, you know, 1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:36.240 what was in a stomach or like whatever, like, yeahs 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:37.360 are really. 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:40.800 I like that. I like it. I just don't want 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:43.400 my body to be included. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:43.840 I don't know. 1:20:43.880 --> 1:20:46.960 I mean, I'm happy to go to medical students or whatever, 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:50.760 but that would be like a really funny yeah, if 1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:52.920 the body is in the body's exhibital, Like that's a 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:54.479 funny cartoon to me. 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:59.960 Yeah, one being like, oh I look gross. I don't know. Okay. 1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:03.479 So the FBI Laboratory began sending their guys to the 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:05.600 body Farm, which is what they're calling this place in 1:21:05.640 --> 1:21:08.599 the late nineties to train them in investigating outdro crime scenes. 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:10.800 Heather True, who was. 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:13.599 A special agent for the FBI's Evidence Response Team who 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:16.639 helped organize the course, said quote, one of the things 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:20.320 that students learn here is the forensic anthropology method. It's 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:24.160 based on years of archaeological science concepts and methods to 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:26.920 recover not only the evidence and the remains, but also 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:30.440 the information and context of what is in those burials. 1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:33.320 So it's interesting there are. 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:37.200 Now seven of them besides the one in Knoxville, Tennessee. 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:41.400 Listen up, is there one near you? Western Carolina University 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:45.360 in Kiloe. Sorry, you're you're going to message me that 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:50.000 I'm saying that wrong. Kialawi Kloe, North Carolina, Texas State 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:54.439 University in San Marcos, Texas, sam Houston State University in Huntsville, Texas. 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:59.080 Southern Illinois And University in Carbondale, Illinois, Colorado, Masa University 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.759 and Grand Junction, Colorado. And the University of South Florida 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:04.920 in Tampa, Florida. That's obviously where like Dexter type people 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:06.720 would go because you know, it's it's hotter there. 1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:09.679 You got to investigate what the heat does to these bodies, 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:10.040 you know. 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:14.120 Yeah, So that's that's the body farm. That's just a 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:15.920 little bit of extra info on the body farm. I 1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:18.000 have a couple I have a couple of articles in 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:20.439 my sources in the show notes. Should we guys' work 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:24.200 on If you're interested, where we go? Well, when you 1:22:24.200 --> 1:22:26.880 go home, we meet in Carbondale. Where's that tour the 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:29.960 body farm in Illinois? Though? Where? How far is Carbondale 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:34.840 from where you? Oh, Southern Illinois University. I don't really fine, yeah, 1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:38.120 like five hours or two hours? You know, I got 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:42.400 family near Tampa. I'm always ready to go back to Sarasota. 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:44.280 I mean I want to go to a body farm. 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:46.080 I wonder what it will be like. I don't know 1:22:46.080 --> 1:22:47.519 if I want to see that. And now I'm looking 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:49.160 at the bones. I don't know if I need to go. 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:51.160 When I first googled it, I remember when I put 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:53.599 in our live show in Cleveland, I said, don't google 1:22:53.640 --> 1:22:58.600 body farms, like it's really not good. But okay, this 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:02.200 is another case that the as we said, boundaryless. Wikipedia 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:04.519 said that this is based on I don't think it is, 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.160 but why not hear about kind of an interesting crime. 1:23:07.520 --> 1:23:09.759 I don't think another episode of SPU is really based 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:10.400 on this either. 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:12.760 And I had not heard of this guy? 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:17.280 Uh the who is Graham Young aka the Saint Albans 1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:21.639 Poisoner and Graham Frederick. I'm on redit, I'm on redit? 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:22.920 Uh uh? 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:27.439 Well, Also, if you're just an unclaimed body, they'll they'll 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:30.880 throw you in there, Yeah, like a John Doe, which 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:32.800 is so crazy because don't they go back to John 1:23:32.840 --> 1:23:34.880 Doe's years later when they try to like break cold case. 1:23:34.920 --> 1:23:35.760 Maybe they don't. 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:39.640 But if no one claims a body, right, and if 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:42.040 you die your natural causes, like it's not a case. 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:44.040 It's not like a you know, ef, no one claims 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:45.800 your body. You just died of a heart attack or something. 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:48.360 And they need all race, gender and body types to 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:49.759 know what everything affects. 1:23:49.880 --> 1:23:55.960 Yeah, yep' the Yeah, it's the most diverse place when 1:23:56.280 --> 1:24:00.880 the body out here, we're all equal except in decomp rates, 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:02.080 which I'm sure are varying. 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:05.960 Okay. So, Graham Frederick Young is. 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:08.640 Also known as the Tea Cup Poisoner, which sounds like 1:24:08.880 --> 1:24:11.599 sort of like adorable, like there's a I tried to 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:14.519 do watch something called Murder in a Tea Cup, which 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:17.799 sounds so cute and like a little Angela Landsberry style murder. 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:21.639 But it's on some BBC service that I didn't want 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:24.320 to pay for, like a streaming service for the BBC. 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:28.519 But this Graham Frederick Young was an English serial killer 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:33.080 who murdered his victims by poisoning. Yeah, and he was, 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:35.080 and so I guess what they're comparing it to is 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.320 that this guy poisoned these people to die. But that's 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:39.840 the only connection, is the poison, Like it's not really 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:42.880 I don't think this guy, you know, there was no 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:46.840 other connections in terms of wrongful imprisonment or wrongful conviction. 1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:48.599 Or anything like that. Getting back at a cop. 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:50.559 I think the rest of that all came out of 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:55.360 Neil Baar and Co's head. So and actually this episode 1:24:55.439 --> 1:24:58.200 was written by I think Judith McCreery, and she is 1:24:58.280 --> 1:25:01.559 one of the has some of the most the darkest 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:03.360 SVU episodes under her belt, and I feel like we 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:05.320 tried to get her for this podcast and she said no, 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:07.680 thank you, but I would, you know, love to know 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:12.519 what's going on in that little brain. Young loved poison. 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:16.160 This guy was just into poison. Like even as a kid, 1:25:16.439 --> 1:25:19.800 he would poison his friends and schoolmates and relatives and 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:23.040 eventually a teacher got suspicious and did call the police. 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:24.160 He played it guilty. 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:27.000 He was just like yep, and these were three non 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:28.000 fatal poisonings. 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:29.040 At the age of fourteen. 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:32.680 He gets sent to Broadmoor Hospital, which I know you 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:36.439 have researched because I think Jimmy Saville. There was something 1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:37.800 in the Jimmy Savile case I had to do with 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:41.719 broad More. It's like this infamous high security psychiatric hospital 1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:46.519 in Crowthorne, Berkshire, England, and we've talked about it before. 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.120 It's had very high profile killers in the UK I 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:52.840 think have gone there. Young was among the youngest inmates 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:56.640 ever sent to broad More at age fourteen, and he 1:25:56.720 --> 1:26:00.479 had very strict parameters on his release, like it had 1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:03.200 to be petitioned through like a government official that he'd 1:26:03.200 --> 1:26:03.719 be released. 1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:07.280 And he apparently. 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:09.679 Also at some point confessed to killing his stepmother through poison, 1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:12.840 but that was never like outright proven, but it was 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:14.320 never linked, but he confessed to it. 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:17.519 Doctors at the facility. 1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:19.640 Determined that he was psychopathic, you know, he had no 1:26:19.760 --> 1:26:23.880 developed sense of right or wrong or any morals, and 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:28.880 he liked to use two poisons called thallium and antimony, 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:32.920 and doctors recall him saying stuff like I am missing 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:36.439 my antimony, I miss the power it gives me. And 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:42.120 not shocking that a fourteen year old psychopath also loved Nazis. 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:44.719 He was reading up on Hitler. 1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:47.240 He even grew a little Hitler's stash at one point, 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:51.120 this guy was a big fan. Okay, he probably would 1:26:51.160 --> 1:26:57.000 have loved modern day America. He left Broadmore in nineteen 1:26:57.040 --> 1:26:59.519 seventy one at the age of twenty one. So yeah, 1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:02.000 I don't know if I said when this all went 1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:06.000 down initially, but so yeah, he went to broad Moore 1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:08.240 in the in the mid sixties and he's out at 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:11.880 nineteen seventy one at age twenty one. So he's been 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:14.240 in there now for seven years. I think he had 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:17.320 tried to get out at five years and the doctors 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:20.400 were like no, he like, doesn't have any remorse. But 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:24.120 then somehow at seven years he convinced some doctor that 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:27.559 he was completely changed. We've seen it before that he 1:27:27.640 --> 1:27:32.040 was changed and he didn't covet poisoning people anymore, and 1:27:32.080 --> 1:27:35.280 he wasn't obsessed with poison. But supposedly he did tell 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:37.559 a nurse quote, when I get out, I'm going to 1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:40.160 kill one person for every year I've spent in this place. 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:43.200 So somehow that's not going to help you get out. 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:46.599 Yeah, but they got him out because nobody listens to nurses, 1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:50.679 as we've also discovered on our podcast, And he got 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:54.240 a factory job where he promptly started poisoning his coworkers. 1:27:54.640 --> 1:28:02.639 He ended up immediately immediately he killed them, he would yeah, yeah, 1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:06.280 he killed two of them. He caused several serious illnesses 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:08.800 in other ones, and even at his job, people were 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:10.720 like starting to get suspicious because they were like, oh, 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.000 we're all getting like sick, and you're not, like so 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:16.280 if this is a virus, you're maybe a carrier of 1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:18.320 it or whatever. But I don't think any of them 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:21.400 knew that he was this fourteen year old psychopath at 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:24.840 the time in his past, in his you know, a 1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:26.400 grown up fourteen year old psychopath. 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:27.160 There's now twenty one. 1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:30.280 So he gets convicted of two counts of murder and 1:28:30.320 --> 1:28:32.479 two counts of attempted murder. In nineteen seventy two, they 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:36.000 get him for these factory poisonings and he is sentenced 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:39.360 to life, and most of his sentence he starts out 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:43.240 at Parkhurst Prison, where he died in nineteen ninety at 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:46.360 the age of forty two. So he was in prison 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:49.760 for eighteen years. But that's pretty young. And he died 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:52.519 of a heart attack, and he had no history of 1:28:52.560 --> 1:28:55.400 heart disease, so some people think he either took his 1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:59.439 own life or he was possibly murdered by fellow inmates 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:02.479 or staff at the prison who didn't feel safe around 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:06.000 him because he was this fucking psychopath with like no 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:07.200 you know. 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:11.559 But interestingly his case became very well. 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.760 Known and they should actually do an SVU based on 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:14.200 the s crime. 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:16.320 Yes, they should. 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:21.840 Definitely not this episode putting in my idea for my specscript. Yeah, 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:26.800 like this guy was fully rightfully convicted, but it it 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:29.879 sparked a lot of debate in the UK over releasing 1:29:29.880 --> 1:29:32.639 offenders who are suffering from mental illness, like they were 1:29:32.680 --> 1:29:36.880 just letting people out, you know. And then so very 1:29:36.920 --> 1:29:40.679 soon after his initial conviction in seventy two hours after 1:29:40.720 --> 1:29:44.680 they said, the British government announced two inquiries into the 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:50.200 issues surrounding this guy's case and the general treatment of 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:54.280 inmates with mental health issues and their releases and stuff 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:54.559 like that. 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:55.960 So the Butler. 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:59.120 Committee ended up being formed and that led to widespread 1:29:59.120 --> 1:30:01.960 reforms and mental health services, and then the Poisons Act 1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:05.759 of nineteen seventy two put harsher restrictions on the purchase 1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:09.760 of deadly poisons. And uh, because it was I guess 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:11.760 pretty easy for this guy to just jump on in 1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:15.599 someplace and get poisons and his life inspired a nineteen 1:30:15.680 --> 1:30:20.160 ninety five movie called The Young Poisoner's Handbook, which I've never. 1:30:19.960 --> 1:30:21.880 Heard of and I don't recognize anyone that's in it, 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:23.560 but it's on there on IMDb. 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:28.639 Then wildly in two thousand and five, a sixteen year 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:33.360 old Japanese high school student was inspired by Young. She 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:35.320 had read a lot about him and was like very 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:40.840 taken by him. Poisoned her mother slowly over time, giving 1:30:40.880 --> 1:30:43.280 her increasing doses of thallium, which is one of the 1:30:43.280 --> 1:30:47.000 poisons that Young used to use, and recorded her mother's 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.720 suffering on an internet blog like diary entries of like 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:54.000 today mom, mother's legs are not working, and this and that, 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:58.840 and something I read about it briefly was that she 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:02.479 used a Japanese word in her blogs that is, like 1:31:02.560 --> 1:31:05.600 it's the word I, but it's like for male, for 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:08.520 only a man would say it. So they said that 1:31:08.560 --> 1:31:10.360 that could have been further proof of her trying to 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.800 kind of like impersonate Graham Young a little bit, like 1:31:13.840 --> 1:31:15.240 she's writing from the point of view of like a 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:18.640 male poisoner, because she obviously something. 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.360 And what did she pretend like Munchausen vibes that it 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.800 was like either her mom was just ill or she 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:27.519 straight up was like blogging how she was poisoning her. 1:31:27.600 --> 1:31:30.120 She was just blogging how she was poisoning her. And 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:34.559 there are you can like read in my show notes 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:39.640 I put oh, I'm yes, uh for sure. It was 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:43.720 really hard to find anything about this after her initial 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:47.360 like discovery, like I'm sure because it was covered in Japan, 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:49.960 and like I don't think the US and the UK 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:52.680 really like I found it in the Times online and 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:54.160 then it was there was also a Guardian, So I 1:31:54.160 --> 1:31:57.040 think UK publications were covering it, but I don't think 1:31:57.080 --> 1:32:00.160 they covered like her trial. I couldn't even find if 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:02.519 the mom died or not. Like what I found was 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.639 the mom went into a coma in two thousand and five, 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:06.800 and what I found was that as of two thousand 1:32:06.800 --> 1:32:10.000 and six, she had not regained consciousness. But I couldn't 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:12.599 find anything because their names are not in this, either 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:15.240 the mom or the daughter. Their names are not in 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:19.920 the it's just the area of the girls from is Shizuoka. 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:23.479 So there's like just an area that she was in 1:32:23.479 --> 1:32:24.240 in ural Japan. 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:27.280 I guess. Yeah. So in her one of her first entries, 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:27.839 she talks. 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:30.600 About Graham Young and says, this is the autobiography of 1:32:30.600 --> 1:32:32.519 a man I respect he murdered someone at the age 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:35.920 of fourteen. And then like another entry is like, my 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:38.280 mother will go to hospital tomorrow and nobody has yet 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:40.120 found out what the cause is. To my regret, she 1:32:40.200 --> 1:32:41.960 is not covered by good insurance, so life will be 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:46.600 a little difficult. And yeah, she's not saying that she 1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:49.400 did in the entry. She doesn't seem to be saying 1:32:49.439 --> 1:32:51.320 that she did anything. But one of her entries says, 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:53.640 to kill a living creature, the moment of sticking a 1:32:53.720 --> 1:32:56.320 knife into something, the warmth of the blood, the little sigh, 1:32:56.560 --> 1:33:00.599 it is all a comfort to me. So she's going 1:33:00.600 --> 1:33:02.479 through some kind of like she's having some kind of 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:06.680 like murderous impulses or whatever. And she's you know, infatuated 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:10.760 with this guy, at least his work, Graham Young, And 1:33:10.840 --> 1:33:12.559 she started doing this and this was like in five 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:15.840 This was like twenty years ago svus on TV when 1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:19.840 this is going on, And yeah, her brother turned her in. 1:33:20.560 --> 1:33:25.040 Her brother turned her in, and I just don't know 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.040 what happened to her. I'm sure she either went to 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:32.000 mental institution or but I could not find any more 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.160 recent stuff on her and yeah, Like I was like 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:38.439 trying to type in all these keywords being like mother survive, 1:33:38.640 --> 1:33:41.000 and it's like there's no indication that she died. But 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:43.120 also it's like I can't read Japanese and I don't 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:47.719 have access to these outlets over there, so and there's 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:51.719 no names. You know, they keep everybody private, so there's 1:33:51.720 --> 1:33:52.639 no name for her. 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:57.000 But very dark and that's that's that. 1:33:57.000 --> 1:33:59.519 That's what I found on Graham Young the Saint Albans 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:03.680 poisoner aka the teacup poisoner. And if you have this 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:05.960 BBC streaming service, you can watch Murder in a tea 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:10.680 cup if you'd like. But that's yeah, the slow poisoning 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:15.640 and watching huh yeah, like and these poisoning seemed like 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:17.719 they made people sick for a really long time. They're 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:21.760 like they made a point to say it's potassium chloride 1:34:21.800 --> 1:34:24.519 in the episode where it kills them quickly and like 1:34:24.640 --> 1:34:30.160 rather painlessly. I think, yeah, and so obviously very different. 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:32.360 But the poisoning seems to be the only connection here, 1:34:32.400 --> 1:34:34.280 and I we had I don't think this is connected 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:35.519 to another SVU, so I just thought I. 1:34:35.479 --> 1:34:38.360 Would talk about it here anyway, of course. Yeah, but 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:46.879 let's get into our post mortem. I mean. 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:52.320 This episode poisoning fucked me though, this poisoning of it all. 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:55.400 Yeah, poisoning and watching it, like. 1:34:55.439 --> 1:34:58.160 That's really psychotic, right, that's not just like I want, 1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:00.200 I have the blood lust of like taking someone's life 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:02.960 quickly and like, you know whatever, that's really like you 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:05.160 want to watch somebody sick and get like to be 1:35:05.320 --> 1:35:06.800 suffer and be sick. 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:09.160 And then help them. It might be like a much 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:12.280 risen by proxy. But she didn't even want attention. Well 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:13.760 she did shut a blog, of course. 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:14.240 That girl. 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.920 Yes, But Graham Young, I mean there was no there 1:35:17.000 --> 1:35:19.720 was no indication that he then wanted to then use 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:22.800 that for help. Like he just liked the power. He 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:25.000 liked the idea that he could just slip it to anyone. 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:27.240 You can get so close to someone, you know, like 1:35:27.560 --> 1:35:31.280 there's a physical force with weapons and attacking someone physically 1:35:31.640 --> 1:35:34.679 with a weapon to kill them that a fourteen year old. 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:35.320 Boy might not have. 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:38.120 But with poison you could take down anybody, anybody of 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:41.000 any size, of any level of power. Like he just 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:44.719 probably felt like he's really pro poisoning Cam. I'm really 1:35:44.720 --> 1:35:48.639 fucking into poisoning now. No, it's like terrifying. Also, I'm 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:50.400 sure the kid had like no idea when he was 1:35:50.439 --> 1:35:54.719 fourteen what the right doses were. Luckily he didn't kill anybody, 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:56.559 but then when he was twenty one he did. 1:35:57.600 --> 1:35:57.880 Well. 1:35:58.000 --> 1:36:01.640 Yeah, it's I saw something online where a neighbor was 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:03.760 annoyed with the noise of another neighbor or the smell 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:06.840 or something, and they caught him on camera like going 1:36:06.880 --> 1:36:09.640 in and under the door, like what is. 1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:12.479 It called the door jam? Yeah, door, that's weird. 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:17.960 Yeah, so doing what like chemicals like lad like h 1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:21.680 like putting in poisoned air in the thing, or there 1:36:21.760 --> 1:36:24.120 was one forensic file the neighbor with the diet like 1:36:24.560 --> 1:36:27.720 poison the diet coat. Like the poisoning is crazy' right. 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:29.639 You don't know where it's gonna come from. Anyone could 1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:31.760 do it. You're living your life and these people are 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:32.479 sick os. 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:36.360 Yeah, Like anti freeze poisoning used to be a big thing, 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:38.439 but then they change the way it tastes, so now 1:36:38.439 --> 1:36:40.719 it's not sweet like gatorade anymore, or whatever. 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:41.439 It looks good. 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:46.839 Can they stop making things look good. It's a gorgeous color, 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:49.120 of course, I want to drink it. When I see 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:50.559 that color, I want to chug it. 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:55.080 Yeah, like fuck lemon lime right into my veins. 1:36:55.120 --> 1:36:55.960 I love that shit. 1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:58.120 But this do you feeling he's a hero because he 1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:00.479 poisoned these people. And it's like, I don't know, Clayton 1:37:00.520 --> 1:37:03.920 could have had like a good life. I mean it's hard. 1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:06.439 I guess the woman never left it went out again, 1:37:06.640 --> 1:37:09.479 you know, alone after her assaults and going back to 1:37:09.520 --> 1:37:10.760 what we say all the time, like. 1:37:11.000 --> 1:37:13.400 But she could have, like I don't know, she could 1:37:13.439 --> 1:37:17.960 have like recovered and healed and had a good like life. 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:20.200 He didn't need to snuff her out because she had 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:21.160 gone through a tragedy. 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:25.200 Yes, And it also just lends to like we care 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:28.360 so much about rapists in their future and not what 1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:31.120 rape does to people long term. 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:35.759 And you know this woman just her whole life was changed. Yeah, 1:37:35.800 --> 1:37:38.320 and that was that. I don't know. 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:41.640 But I love this actor. I like the episode. I 1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:45.200 like Benson pissed. I feel, yeah, we need a little turmoil, 1:37:45.320 --> 1:37:47.400 we need the we need the kids fighting once in 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:47.679 a while. 1:37:49.160 --> 1:37:51.320 Yeah. But I like Craig and stepping up. I like 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:54.280 Craig and being like a hottie. Yeah, it's funny. 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:56.080 It's like they had no idea how long this show 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:58.320 was going to last, or that Benson and Stabler would 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:01.679 be together for twelve seasons, and at the beginning of three, 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:04.760 it's like, yeah, they still are like not trusting each other, right, 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:07.240 Like there's still it's been two seasons, but they're still 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:10.080 not I give you my kidney first level. Noo. 1:38:10.360 --> 1:38:13.840 But season two already happened with the with U Blue 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:14.679 Diamond Phillips. 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:21.040 No, that's the season seven. That's not season seven. Really yeah, 1:38:21.040 --> 1:38:27.840 because that's when she's pregnant, remember, No, Yeah, season seven fault. 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:34.559 I Am Dead, the one of WHOA So they built 1:38:34.600 --> 1:38:36.679 their love Why did I think that was season two? 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:41.120 I don't know, but I mean, shit does happen in 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:44.240 season two? It's like Diane Neal like what was Yeah? 1:38:44.280 --> 1:38:49.160 Of course, yeah too. I mean season seven, damn. Season 1:38:49.240 --> 1:38:55.040 two has like you know, countdown man Hunt, like there's 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:59.680 some peak oh my god, peak scourge. Like they have 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:03.479 just watched a Chadlough interview this morning in bed someone 1:39:03.520 --> 1:39:07.519 asked him about the hilaryous swink oscar thing, and he goes, no, 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:08.360 I felt bad for her. 1:39:08.439 --> 1:39:10.679 They like rushed them. I didn't think about it. 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:13.240 You know, she thinks she would think me all the time, 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:15.760 you know, like it was a different I don't know, 1:39:15.840 --> 1:39:17.960 I mean guests of the pod. I mean we're like 1:39:18.000 --> 1:39:24.720 the most star studded podcast I know about. Yeah, Oh 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:26.960 my god, I watched Blake DeLong and Elsbeth. 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:30.519 Oh you I've been seeing his posts about it. Yeah, 1:39:30.520 --> 1:39:33.240 I commented he liked my post. I did. I used emoji's. 1:39:33.240 --> 1:39:33.800 It was a thrill. 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:37.080 But you know, him saying that we talked to character 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:39.920 actors and people made me proud and happy. But he 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:43.240 was it was a great episode. There was Lana Condor 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:45.880 was in it. He was talking about her. Yes, yes, yes, 1:39:46.840 --> 1:39:49.360 it was a good episode. It was all It was 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:54.000 based on Bill Belichick. I don't know if he mentioned 1:39:54.040 --> 1:39:54.320 that time. 1:39:54.439 --> 1:39:59.160 Oh no, it is a ripped from the headlines like 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:04.640 Bill Bella check episode. No fucking way, yeah, because I 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:06.800 have not noticed that in any of the other elsbeths 1:40:06.800 --> 1:40:08.160 that they're ripped from the headlines. 1:40:08.200 --> 1:40:11.679 Does she does the young girlfriend like kill the older guy? 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:13.760 Do you want me to say? No, don't tell me, 1:40:13.800 --> 1:40:16.240 don't spoiler. No, it's a half, it's twenty two minutes. 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:19.400 Just fucking watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch that's or not? 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:21.040 Do you want gonna say it whatever you want. 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.639 No, no, no, don't don't spoil it for the Elsbeth 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:27.519 heads that listen. Okay, but this episode, I don't know 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:31.200 what our takeaways are, like we I mean, I think 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:32.479 what our takeaways are is that. 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:34.719 We do need to get like and god, DNA evidence 1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:37.080 came to play yea. But also they said they prisoned 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:39.240 him in nineteen ninety three, and I thought DNA was 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:40.680 around in the eighties. 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:45.640 Or ladies was not as employed until the nineties. I 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:47.040 feel like it was like a round, but it was 1:40:47.080 --> 1:40:49.160 like harder do you kind of like they didn't have 1:40:49.200 --> 1:40:50.160 the tech I get. 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:53.200 I don't know well because I'm always annoyed about circumstantial evidence, 1:40:53.280 --> 1:40:55.439 and it's like he did it, and it's like, no, 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:58.519 you can't go off that. You can't. You have to 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.559 fucking prove it in a court of law that someone 1:41:00.600 --> 1:41:00.840 did it. 1:41:00.840 --> 1:41:03.280 You're sending them to prison to be fucking raped and 1:41:03.360 --> 1:41:07.960 be in Yeah, you know, like well, the first USA 1:41:08.120 --> 1:41:11.559 DNA exoneration was in eighty nine, so you could imagine 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:14.519 that that also in eighty nine, there was like like 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:18.640 a line you know, of people to prove like they 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:21.639 all were like, yeah, check mine, check, like, you know whatever, 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:25.720 I'm gon to become so into body farms, like just 1:41:25.880 --> 1:41:28.600 Reddit is robust is their merch. 1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:33.479 When I died, donate me to a body farm. Whould 1:41:33.479 --> 1:41:36.360 you guys wear that on a shirt? See you on 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:37.960 the body farm? Rip me? 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:43.040 I mean, I think, honestly, we need to be offering more. 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:46.519 My takeaway is that, like, yes, this guy like went 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:52.080 completely nuts after he got out of prison, but it's 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:54.960 a bit of a It is like a representation of 1:41:55.000 --> 1:41:58.200 how like the world is very harsh to people that 1:41:58.280 --> 1:42:01.600 get out of prison, like once you're exonerated, like the 1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:04.000 trauma that you've had in jail for also being wrongfully 1:42:04.000 --> 1:42:09.760 imprisoned is like real and that's not dealt with. And 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:12.120 then he goes out and tries to like ruin the 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:13.759 life of the cop that put him in jail. 1:42:14.080 --> 1:42:15.639 Ya, killing all these people you. 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:20.760 Know, rented a whole office space. Yeah, he really went 1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:22.639 to a lot of trouble this time. And the empty 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:26.360 the no bullet and the gun. That's yeah, that's the 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:29.200 final fun. These guys like to do a final fuck you. 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:31.640 Yeah. 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:33.800 Yeah, because he knew what she was gonna do, she'd 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:38.960 have to like she's not wrong, but yeah, he did 1:42:39.000 --> 1:42:40.599 have a gun to this woman's head. 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:41.519 And the door. 1:42:41.880 --> 1:42:45.040 The door scene is iconic, like this is this That's 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:46.920 why we picked it for the live show because that 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:49.479 door scene is so iconic and fun and like, oooh, 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:51.800 you forget that. 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:55.160 It's like the craziest episode the Olivia the Alien. 1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:59.920 Yeah, like it's I think that's why we're like, oh, fun, 1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:02.160 the door, let's do it. And then it was like, 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:04.679 oh my god, these kids are zip tied. 1:43:05.520 --> 1:43:09.080 What's happening? A rape at the foster room? You know, 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:12.360 like it's too much av Low. 1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:13.120 Oh my gosh. 1:43:13.200 --> 1:43:16.720 Yes, I completely mix this one up with with the 1:43:16.920 --> 1:43:20.680 I mix this one up with the guy who what's the. 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:22.720 Thing about the snow? The snow shoveling in the heart? 1:43:22.760 --> 1:43:26.080 My dad's out here shoveling snow non stop. I told 1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:28.920 them to heart attacks. That's why why people have heart attacks. 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:32.200 Be careful, all right, let me talk snow. Be careful, 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:34.000 don't be a hero. 1:43:34.479 --> 1:43:38.800 But he's so cute. Yeah, I get this episode mixed 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:39.760 up with Scavenger. 1:43:41.520 --> 1:43:46.120 He got the snow, get it? Okay, they're sending me 1:43:46.160 --> 1:43:47.880 more photo. I just want them to be cares. 1:43:48.200 --> 1:43:49.519 But I don't know if the look your. 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:53.080 Dad lives to just show how physically strong he is. 1:43:54.400 --> 1:43:54.720 I know. 1:43:55.000 --> 1:44:00.559 Now they're showing me the icicles. Oh wow, that's the thing. 1:44:00.560 --> 1:44:03.080 It's also icy their eighty seven. He can't see out 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:05.599 of one eye, Like, you can't have him be out 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:06.280 there shoveling. 1:44:06.439 --> 1:44:06.960 Get out. 1:44:07.360 --> 1:44:11.719 My nephew should do it because he's had heart problem. 1:44:11.720 --> 1:44:13.559 And I keep thinking, but I don't want to scare that. 1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:16.280 I don't know what to do. Yeah, oh, it's not 1:44:16.320 --> 1:44:18.160 like you'll listen to me. He keeps working at the pool. 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:20.080 He has respect for none of us, That's. 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:20.360 What I mean. 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:22.519 It's like, yeah, he's like, I can still lifeguard, I 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:23.360 can still shovel. 1:44:23.640 --> 1:44:25.759 Did you see the Instagram video? 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:28.719 It's like a dad welcoming a new boyfriend, like meeting 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:32.000 a new boyfriend and him going, my daughter, they she 1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:33.240 does not respect men. 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:37.920 Now I'm telling you what you're getting into, and like 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:42.080 it's a really it's a funny, and keep that is funny. 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:42.920 Listen. 1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:45.719 But also, but then I was wondering if like Benson 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:49.760 stays mad at him at Stabler and the next episode 1:44:49.920 --> 1:44:53.320 is like the cocaine baby formula, and I don't know 1:44:53.320 --> 1:44:55.679 if they were fighting then like, I don't remember that. 1:44:55.600 --> 1:44:58.519 Baby thing, and that one always seemed to just get 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:02.360 over shit real quick. Yeah, like the next one is 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:06.280 that one, and then Rooftop and like, yeah, they are working, 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:10.360 but I did like in this one, she's like, go 1:45:10.479 --> 1:45:12.320 fucking see your family, you dead beat dad. 1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:13.200 Uh. 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:16.440 But yeah, I always get this episode mixed up with Scavenger, 1:45:16.479 --> 1:45:19.519 which is the one with the guy who's leaving them 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:23.360 all the little the little clues, you know. I think 1:45:23.400 --> 1:45:26.640 that a violi or whatever is part of that, but 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:26.960 it's not. 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:29.400 It's just the door. It's the one clue. And then 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:30.400 the box with the. 1:45:30.320 --> 1:45:33.680 Body, Like that guy in the Scavenger does leave like 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:38.679 deliveries and stuff, but it's not the same. So freaky, 1:45:38.840 --> 1:45:40.360 but I kind of like those they remind me of, 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:41.360 Like these episodes remind me. 1:45:41.360 --> 1:45:45.080 Of what Erica Christian, Oh, that's oh Scavenger. 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:49.040 Yes, okay, wait, am I did I say the wrong one? 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:49.240 No? 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:52.439 You said the right one, but maybe not No the 1:45:52.439 --> 1:45:54.080 box with the. 1:45:55.360 --> 1:45:57.880 Yeah, the Stavenger is that one the one I'm thinking 1:45:57.880 --> 1:46:03.479 of snature signature. It's an honest mistake. Honestly, those words 1:46:03.479 --> 1:46:04.719 are basically the same. 1:46:05.040 --> 1:46:07.240 But I do get really like I get how like 1:46:07.280 --> 1:46:09.640 really smart people feel and do end up kind of 1:46:09.680 --> 1:46:13.680 being snobby or like annoying. Because anytime I can like 1:46:13.800 --> 1:46:16.720 name an episode or something SVU off the top of 1:46:16.720 --> 1:46:19.639 my head in an insane way and impress people makes 1:46:19.680 --> 1:46:20.240 me feel good. 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:21.160 Yeah. 1:46:21.400 --> 1:46:24.559 When people give you that look like wow, that's crazy 1:46:24.600 --> 1:46:26.800 that you knew that, You're like, well, I feel so 1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:27.880 proud I do. 1:46:27.920 --> 1:46:29.920 It means I'm finally retaining information. 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:36.160 You know. It's like after years, it's like so hard 1:46:36.280 --> 1:46:41.599 to retain facts. Yeah. But yeah, good ap, good fun, 1:46:41.760 --> 1:46:46.360 Happy New Year. Yeah, guys, Happy New Year. Everybody have 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:48.920 a great I hope you guys all have a great 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:51.360 night tomorrow night. Or you stay home and do fucking 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:54.200 nothing and you're having a nice little time off. 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:55.080 That's the new thing. 1:46:55.080 --> 1:46:57.080 I mean, we're all obsessed with phones, but it is 1:46:57.160 --> 1:46:59.559 like people stay and or maybe I was just young, 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:01.880 so I could never have imagined and lots of people 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:03.960 were staying in on New Year's and enjoying each other. 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:05.000 Yeah. 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:06.760 I think sometimes you want to do a big do 1:47:06.840 --> 1:47:09.000 it up New Year's with the sequins, and other times 1:47:09.000 --> 1:47:10.920 you just want to like not even watch the ball 1:47:11.000 --> 1:47:12.040 drop and just go to sleep. 1:47:12.080 --> 1:47:12.519 I don't know. 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:16.439 We all contain multitudes. Do whatever your heart tells you 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:16.800 to do. 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:19.120 And if any of you before we get into sister 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:23.840 peg Kiara, sorry, I'll try not to interrupt you. I 1:47:23.880 --> 1:47:26.800 am seeing the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas at the 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:27.559 Sphere on. 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:31.400 Oh my god, knock on wood, you know. But yeah, 1:47:31.439 --> 1:47:32.439 that's what's happening. 1:47:32.520 --> 1:47:36.360 That's really fun because I said something at the Sphere, 1:47:36.400 --> 1:47:39.679 but nothing's really called out to me, I know, And 1:47:39.720 --> 1:47:41.240 then everyone was like, oh, go to the Wizard of 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:44.240 Oz and I was like, yeah, maybe, but I'm waiting 1:47:44.240 --> 1:47:44.639 for somebody. 1:47:44.680 --> 1:47:48.599 I really love to do the Sphere, but not everyone's. 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:51.160 You know, white has been the thing, but it's New 1:47:51.240 --> 1:47:53.120 Year's so I'm like, I kind of want to silver 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:55.720 and I have silver sneakers, but I don't want to 1:47:55.760 --> 1:47:56.560 look different. 1:47:57.080 --> 1:47:59.280 So yeah, I'm trying to figure out what millennium. 1:47:59.280 --> 1:48:03.440 Oh, I actually reached out to my stylist, so that's humiliating, 1:48:03.479 --> 1:48:05.920 but I say, I have a Backstrip Boys concert to 1:48:06.040 --> 1:48:07.960 attend in Vegas and I need. 1:48:07.840 --> 1:48:10.760 Some help because I want amazing cool. I want to 1:48:10.760 --> 1:48:14.679 look cool if I'm going to be running around that's 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:18.080 so fun. Wait, so you're going from wedding to Vegas, 1:48:18.280 --> 1:48:20.080 and then the next day we'll lounge and then the 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:23.520 next day I'm seeing Jlo in Vegas. 1:48:23.600 --> 1:48:26.880 Correct, So I need a j Loo outfit and it's 1:48:26.960 --> 1:48:31.200 free tickets. I'm not supporting Jlo just saying that she 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:33.640 doesn't tip. I would never support but I guess you know, 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:35.000 Brian's and qNaN whatever. 1:48:36.880 --> 1:48:40.000 But yeah, and then tour dates. But to see, I 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:42.000 don't know, it's over, but get off the year with 1:48:42.080 --> 1:48:42.840 a bang. 1:48:42.600 --> 1:48:45.680 With j Lo And yeah, at the end of the day, 1:48:45.720 --> 1:48:47.360 she is going to put on a good show. 1:48:47.520 --> 1:48:49.519 Yeah, she's a fucking fly girl. At the end of 1:48:49.560 --> 1:48:52.560 the day. What are you gonna do? Do you know? Yeah, 1:48:52.640 --> 1:48:55.479 I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:55.880 You know. 1:48:56.040 --> 1:48:58.439 Sometimes I get invited to this party that I've gone 1:48:58.479 --> 1:49:03.559 to the last year at a rich person's house that 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:03.920 I go to. 1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:05.920 Uh, but I don't know if. 1:49:05.920 --> 1:49:07.920 I don't know if it's happening this year because usually 1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:09.559 the invite comes around now. 1:49:09.400 --> 1:49:13.000 So we'll see, wow, okay, yeah. 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:17.760 I I also because you know, I'm a delta psychopath 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.120 taking a layover from San Francisco to Vegas. 1:49:23.280 --> 1:49:25.760 What it is? What it is? 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:28.200 How is there no direct None of those tech bros 1:49:28.200 --> 1:49:30.120 are going on a fucking weekend in Vegas. 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:32.640 No, And maybe I could do Southwest, but it's like, 1:49:33.040 --> 1:49:37.960 where's the layover, LA? You're crazy. I'll wave to you 1:49:38.000 --> 1:49:39.719 from the airport. Waved me from the airport. 1:49:40.160 --> 1:49:42.800 All right, let's get into our what would Sister Peg do? 1:49:43.439 --> 1:49:44.920 Your final what would Sister Peg do? 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:45.599 Of the year? 1:49:45.840 --> 1:49:48.000 Please, if you're in the mood to donate in the 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:50.439 for the holiday spirit, you can go back to all 1:49:50.439 --> 1:49:51.679 of our old what was sister Poph? 1:49:51.680 --> 1:49:52.559 My god, you're gonna love this. 1:49:53.200 --> 1:49:55.799 I was on stage a man an eternal next sweater 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:57.519 and would not like I kept looking at him, would 1:49:57.520 --> 1:49:59.639 not laugh at one single thing I said. And at 1:49:59.640 --> 1:50:02.200 the end and I was just like, you know, it's December, 1:50:02.240 --> 1:50:05.160 so I go and you guys, you know, why don't 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:07.280 you help someone in need? Like I'm like, you should 1:50:07.320 --> 1:50:09.120 just help a poor person in the next few weeks, 1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:11.760 like do something nice, make someone's day better. The first 1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:14.680 time he laughed, I go, that's when you laugh, you 1:50:14.800 --> 1:50:18.200 fucking grembleing of a man. And then he got serious again, 1:50:18.479 --> 1:50:21.000 but truly did not laugh once until I said, and 1:50:21.080 --> 1:50:24.000 do something nice for someone to end it kind of corny, 1:50:24.520 --> 1:50:28.559 but he started laughing. I go, sir, that's the first laugh, 1:50:28.560 --> 1:50:30.880 and then everyone laughed at him. But it was crazy. 1:50:30.960 --> 1:50:33.559 Nothing I said made him get a gold except to help. 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:35.439 That kind of man should be on a watch list. 1:50:36.160 --> 1:50:37.760 I don't know how you do that, but we have 1:50:37.760 --> 1:50:38.479 to get a watch list. 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:40.479 I'm glad you reacted like that because I didn't know 1:50:40.479 --> 1:50:41.759 if I was. That's creepy. 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:43.719 You don't laugh at a whole comedy show, that's fine, 1:50:43.720 --> 1:50:45.320 but the one thing that makes you laugh is go 1:50:45.400 --> 1:50:46.599 help someone this holiday. 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:52.000 That makes you laugh. That's crazy. That is thank you. 1:50:52.080 --> 1:50:54.400 I'm glad I felt that way too, But I just 1:50:54.560 --> 1:50:56.920 I never know when I'm flying off. I never know 1:50:57.479 --> 1:51:00.439 if I'm in line with like how humans are or not. 1:51:00.960 --> 1:51:07.080 And you know, sometimes yes, sometimes no, Right, I like 1:51:07.120 --> 1:51:11.880 having All right, let's get back into our web with 1:51:11.920 --> 1:51:12.400 Sister peg Do. 1:51:12.520 --> 1:51:14.920 This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards 1:51:15.200 --> 1:51:18.640 an article, an organization, a doc, something to give you 1:51:18.680 --> 1:51:21.000 more information about what we talked about. And as we 1:51:21.040 --> 1:51:25.160 were just discussing, I think that you know obviously, even 1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:30.280 though this episode goes wildly in a TV sort of plot, 1:51:30.439 --> 1:51:33.559 towards TV plot points. There is something to be said 1:51:33.680 --> 1:51:36.920 for what happens to people who are wrongfully imprisoned, and 1:51:37.040 --> 1:51:39.160 I wanted to point you guys today to a Psychology 1:51:39.240 --> 1:51:43.599 Today article titled the Psychological Impact of Wrongful Imprisonment by 1:51:43.680 --> 1:51:48.840 doctor Jeff Kokuka. To quote the article, the exoneration of 1:51:48.880 --> 1:51:51.600 an innocent person is surely a positive outcome, but in 1:51:51.640 --> 1:51:53.439 the end, it is not the end of the story, 1:51:54.120 --> 1:51:56.800 as the impact of wrongful conviction persists well beyond the 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.439 prison gates, and justice is not truly served until we 1:51:59.439 --> 1:52:03.080 have made every effort to write this unthinkable wrong. There 1:52:03.080 --> 1:52:06.000 are high rates of trauma, exposure and mental illness among 1:52:06.040 --> 1:52:09.519 exonnaies regardless of time served or time since release, and 1:52:09.600 --> 1:52:11.799 eggneries often struggle to find gainful employment. 1:52:12.000 --> 1:52:13.679 They don't all get a job in a lab where 1:52:13.680 --> 1:52:14.040 they can. 1:52:13.960 --> 1:52:16.000 Get poisoned chemicals that they need to carry out their 1:52:16.000 --> 1:52:20.160 insane plots. So, to quote this article again, our findings 1:52:20.280 --> 1:52:24.320 add to growing evidence that wrongly convicted individuals need and 1:52:24.320 --> 1:52:27.439 deserve holistic and long term support. So for more information 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:29.960 about this, you can head over to Psychology today dot com. 1:52:29.960 --> 1:52:32.479 The article will be linked in our show notes and 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:35.680 linked in a story that comes out the day that 1:52:35.720 --> 1:52:39.560 this episode is released and saved forever in our WWSPD 1:52:39.680 --> 1:52:42.000 highlights on our Instagram page, which. 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:44.120 Is that's messed up pod. Thank you so much for that. 1:52:44.280 --> 1:52:46.960 I already have the article waiting for me in my 1:52:47.080 --> 1:52:52.280 tabs so amazing. Cannot wait to read that because I 1:52:52.320 --> 1:52:56.479 would fucking want to do revenge too. Yeah, hopefully in 1:52:56.640 --> 1:52:59.240 terms of getting suing, I think I would try to. 1:52:59.360 --> 1:53:01.519 Ye you, Hontary, revenge is the best. 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:04.719 Yeah for us. I would try to bankrupt the police department. 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:09.320 But anyways, next week, Big One, Big One guys, Chicago 1:53:09.520 --> 1:53:16.879 Crossover Season sixteen, episode seven, and Carol, what's the episode? 1:53:16.880 --> 1:53:19.240 If they want to watch the Chicago p D version. 1:53:20.720 --> 1:53:22.479 This is part of a This is actually part of 1:53:22.479 --> 1:53:24.960 a three episode arc, although you don't really need to 1:53:25.000 --> 1:53:27.799 watch it, but if you're a super completist, Chicago Fire 1:53:27.880 --> 1:53:31.120 is where it starts. Season three, episode seven of Chicago Fire. 1:53:31.280 --> 1:53:34.679 The episode's called Nobody Touches Anything. Then we've got Chicago 1:53:34.760 --> 1:53:39.400 Crossover SVU. Then after that, the Chicago p episode is 1:53:39.439 --> 1:53:41.599 called They'll have to go through Me. It's season two, 1:53:41.680 --> 1:53:44.320 episode seven. That's where the SVU episode concludes. 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