Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 3: An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Liza Traeger and I'm Kara Klink And every week
Speaker 1: on this pod we talk SVU true crimes, interview people,
Speaker 1: and chit chat about whatever. The so many elements our
Speaker 1: podcast is so much when people just go, so how
Speaker 1: often do you record?
Speaker 3: I go, don't get me started. I can't, I can't
Speaker 3: blame few times, explain what we're doing. So many pieces.
Speaker 3: We get it done, We get it done. Oh also up.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole community came out for Paul Dano,
Speaker 2: which is great, my god, and but no one really
Speaker 2: coming out for Owen Wilson.
Speaker 3: I'll say that much. No one's coming out for Owen Wilson.
Speaker 1: But I did see Lillard respond and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it hurts my feelings. And Jared was supposed to work
Speaker 1: with him on Sunday and he ended up not being
Speaker 1: able to make it, and I was like, I hope
Speaker 1: he didn't pull out because of the Tarantino.
Speaker 2: His daughter posted something like I think but he was
Speaker 2: sens Remember when we interviewed, Matthew was a little sensitive.
Speaker 2: But I do want to say I sent I DMed
Speaker 2: this to Casey, so then resurfaced.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I've never heard this.
Speaker 2: It's Quentin Tarantino interviews where he is defending Roman Polanski,
Speaker 2: saying the thirteen year old consented that she wanted it,
Speaker 2: that it's bullshit, that statutory rape'es not rape, that it's
Speaker 2: not a like fully like eight minutes, and it's Howard
Speaker 2: Stern going yeah, I don't what what And people are
Speaker 2: like if Howard's e thinks you're fucked in, then rise like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what the thought to openness?
Speaker 1: Paul Dano can of worms Tarantino because now everybody's finding
Speaker 1: out what he like.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I knew he was a freak and
Speaker 2: like the feet, like I knew, you know, Uma Thurman
Speaker 2: got injured on set, Like I'm not, I knew, you know.
Speaker 3: I think he's just a success. I think he thinks
Speaker 3: he's like the like the the bees fucking knees and like.
Speaker 2: But he has hot movies. But like you can't just
Speaker 2: like it's a tough clip to listen to. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck, yeah, I can never like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't know why the thirties like I it's strange.
Speaker 3: It's strange for that to be the thing.
Speaker 2: She was okay like because then, remember there was a
Speaker 2: trend where people were putting up photos on social media
Speaker 2: of them at thirteen, and it's like, no, you're a kid,
Speaker 2: You're truly a kid.
Speaker 3: This is psycho, this is psycho.
Speaker 2: I hate that pedophiles are so confident right now.
Speaker 1: I know while I having the moment, I did a
Speaker 1: secret Sana last night and I got a really gray
Speaker 1: bottle of wine and a little soft leather wine satchel
Speaker 1: that I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 2: You posted in the satchel. No, I saw the satchel.
Speaker 2: You posted you tag you were really into the satchel.
Speaker 1: I wanted to it's a it's a woman that makes
Speaker 1: handmade she's like a local LA woman.
Speaker 3: And I was like, here's my tag, you know, take it.
Speaker 3: I was excited.
Speaker 1: We had a nice little we had like I had
Speaker 1: like a little it was like a private room situation
Speaker 1: with like thirteen women having a secret Sanna.
Speaker 3: But here's here's my question.
Speaker 1: So my version of Secret Sanna is that whoever goes
Speaker 1: into the Secret Sanna, we all pull a name, we
Speaker 1: buy a present for that person, and then we like
Speaker 1: present him to each other at the party. My friends,
Speaker 1: a couple of my friends at the party were like, no,
Speaker 1: there aren't. People just supposed to pick their gift that's
Speaker 1: labeled and try to guess who gave it to them.
Speaker 3: Which I've never played it that way.
Speaker 2: What do you think I've I've done it the first
Speaker 2: way and I like that, but I'm into the second
Speaker 2: way because gay.
Speaker 3: Is fun as well.
Speaker 1: So my friend like gave her gift but then gave
Speaker 1: like a little second gift that kind of hinted at
Speaker 1: who she was, but like we all knew because we
Speaker 1: played it the other way, and she was like, this
Speaker 1: is not how I play, and so it's kind of
Speaker 1: fun to add the little layer of mystery.
Speaker 3: I think we just didn't know.
Speaker 1: So none of us, most of us didn't really come
Speaker 1: with labeled gifts and so we had to hand them
Speaker 1: to each other.
Speaker 3: But it was just it was a lot of skincare.
Speaker 3: What did you bring? A lot of skincare?
Speaker 1: The woman I got is really into like Korean skincare,
Speaker 1: So I got her some skincare stuff.
Speaker 3: A mask, some under eye patches. You know. No, but
Speaker 3: if your friends, things are going to be similar.
Speaker 2: Because like last year, me and my group of friends
Speaker 2: here in New York that we do Christmas together, it
Speaker 2: was a big heavy ceramics here. Everyone ended up getting
Speaker 2: a ceramic and the year before was pouches, like we
Speaker 2: all got each other little pouches.
Speaker 1: Little pouches. Yeah, it's like when you see it all
Speaker 1: happened this year. I'm curious to see if there's a
Speaker 1: trend this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's. Oh and tinned fish, like we each get
Speaker 3: tin fish, I remember.
Speaker 2: I mean I just like being on the bottom floor
Speaker 2: of anything to see fish wife now in true like
Speaker 2: giant grocery stores. I was getting their their pr when
Speaker 2: they were a tiny little company before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the founder's gone to a fight and split. So
Speaker 3: oh they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah you heard it here first Jesus or not? I
Speaker 2: mean it's been years, but yeah, the tin fish girls.
Speaker 3: Do we know somebody who did that? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, because then only one of them was
Speaker 2: on Shark Tank. So that was like a huge kind
Speaker 2: of indicator to a separation.
Speaker 1: They went on Shark Tank, well, one of them went
Speaker 1: on Shark Tank. Well, yes, the product.
Speaker 3: The product. I didn't know that the fish went on
Speaker 3: on on Shark Tank. Wow. Interesting Okay.
Speaker 1: But also with trends of like gifts of stuff, it's
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel with the people that we
Speaker 1: meet that listen to our stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, we're gonna have a lot in comment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just star of the age. We're into the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's just it is what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I meet the girls and we're all like in
Speaker 2: the same stuff. They'll always bring a gift and be like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you'll like this, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course I do. You know everything about me, you
Speaker 2: know everything. Oh but I will do. Okay, if a
Speaker 2: ton of your kids, if your advice, if your kids
Speaker 2: have lots of stuffed animals.
Speaker 3: I just got this, like plastic.
Speaker 2: It's the shape of a not even a beanbackshirt, like
Speaker 2: those blow up chairs that we had from Claire's, Like
Speaker 2: those like inflatable chairs. It's like that, but it's not inflatable.
Speaker 2: You fill it with stuffed animals. It's revolutionized my life.
Speaker 2: So a bunch of it's like, you know, I have
Speaker 2: my Leet Cyberset shirts. They don't really wear them, they're old,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to throw them away. So it's
Speaker 2: like the bottom of it's like my Luigi Mangione shirt,
Speaker 2: like just fun shirts stuffed with stuffed animal.
Speaker 1: It's revolutionized. My Oh it's clear so you can see through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look at all the animals. You look at all
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, So I was thinking you were talking about,
Speaker 1: like just there's just like these bean bag chairs we
Speaker 1: just shove. I'm picking it up. You're looking at it
Speaker 1: all and then you sit and then you sit on it,
Speaker 1: which I'm considering getting because my fucking children are overrun
Speaker 1: with stuffies and if you think that they're Christmas liss.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a little chair and you can see
Speaker 1: all the stuffies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have the plastic clear plastics. I just like because
Speaker 3: that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I love my I love them, but I
Speaker 2: like looking at my stuff. And that's what's hard. When
Speaker 2: you're like a messy person, you don't know what everything is.
Speaker 2: And then here it's like I get to look at
Speaker 2: all their cute faces.
Speaker 1: I know, and these bean bag chairs that I was
Speaker 1: referring to you don't get to see them. They're just
Speaker 1: kind of like shoved inside like a chair that looks
Speaker 1: like a soccer ball or like has unicorns.
Speaker 3: On it or whatever the fuck fuck that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like you get the full full thing.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting.
Speaker 2: The I feel like I live an active life and
Speaker 2: now we're here and I'm like, did I where was I?
Speaker 1: I know, I'm literally thinking about you know what I've
Speaker 1: been going to like a lot of Christmas stuff, Like
Speaker 1: I went to a couple of Christmas parties over the
Speaker 1: weekend and I'm like, who did I see?
Speaker 3: What did I? Who did I?
Speaker 1: It's a rid Safie my friend Brian Saffie, who I love,
Speaker 1: saw him, got to see him.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I've seen a movie, Like
Speaker 2: did I watch a show? Like I know, I I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh Beverly Hills Premier that was like huge, I watched it.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's so boring. Someone was like, I love
Speaker 2: how Salt Lake City could be one dinner, one location,
Speaker 2: full of drama, and then we have Beverly Hills where
Speaker 2: it's like six locations, five conglomerate of people like like
Speaker 2: not conglomerate, like groups of people, solo shots, eight dinners,
Speaker 2: an event, and none of it salt like just needs
Speaker 2: one dinner.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if they have anything, honestly, O,
Speaker 3: I have Rachel Zoe spilling and I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she chelo.
Speaker 1: I was a Rachel Zoe person back when she was on.
Speaker 1: I watched her show on Bravo, Like you may know me,
Speaker 1: I've lived here before, like about Bravo, like I like,
Speaker 1: I send. And then apparently the new girl on Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills has some shit going on, like as the show premieres,
Speaker 1: I think she's getting divorced from her husband who and
Speaker 1: it's like a whole thing, like it's scandaloso Anyway, I
Speaker 1: think that woman is having some kind of big divorce.
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll be something, But I really just don't care
Speaker 1: about the Dereet and Kyle friendship. The you're not a
Speaker 1: good friend to me, you haven't been a good friend
Speaker 1: to me nonsense over and over again, Like talk to
Speaker 1: me about somebody making out with someone else's husband while
Speaker 1: he's farting, Like I need more Salt Lake City style
Speaker 1: action in Beverly Hills or I'm.
Speaker 3: No, they take themselves too.
Speaker 2: Seriously, they're too image, They're too It's it's inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too inside.
Speaker 2: Like we need people a little unhinged, a little detached
Speaker 2: from reality, but not just in a financial way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be honest, it's like my new cable
Speaker 1: cutting ways of now that I'm a full streamer, now
Speaker 1: that I've joined the generation of now, and I don't
Speaker 1: have my episodes just sitting for me on my DVR.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm actively looking up Salt Lake because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to see what happens or whatever. I'm like
Speaker 1: six episodes behind on Potomac, which I love. I usually
Speaker 1: love Potomac. But if some if it's not like it's
Speaker 1: like you really do lose yourself to the streamers, if
Speaker 1: people are not like just going into to go find it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Southern Charm has been fine. Good. I'm
Speaker 3: excited for summer. You know, I'm in. I am in.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've I've remembered something that happened in my life. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I actually need your expertise, so this is perfect.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So I'm at a party, no big deal,
Speaker 2: but they but I went outside to smoke weed. But
Speaker 2: the coat check took forever, and they like lost one
Speaker 2: of my friends, like it just the coat check. I
Speaker 2: didn't it was I wasn't trusting anymore. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm keeping my coat for the rest of the party.
Speaker 2: I don't want to give it back to them. Then
Speaker 2: I go back to the party. Happy meals have arrived.
Speaker 2: Of course I grab a happy meal. I'm stoned. There's
Speaker 2: a fortune teller. I'm in a line for the fortune teller. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm eating a nugget. I'm dipping it in sweet
Speaker 2: and sour. Someone distracts me, starts talking to me. I
Speaker 2: spill all the sweet and sour down my coat, just
Speaker 2: all of it. And I don't realize that for a while,
Speaker 2: like I think I'm pouring and I go, oh no,
Speaker 2: And of course I blame this man fully, why did
Speaker 2: you distract me? Like why are do you? Why are
Speaker 2: you talking to me? I'm clearly eating nuggets in a coat,
Speaker 2: like I can't imagine a more like get away from
Speaker 2: me kind of vibe and a coat eating nuggets alone
Speaker 2: like I okay, yeah, I guess you would leave me alone.
Speaker 2: So I'm sticky. It's everywhere. It's the worst sauce to spill.
Speaker 2: It's the worst. I'm wetting it. It's twenty degrees in
Speaker 2: New York. I only have this one winter coat. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm decluttering. I'm in my I'm in my new era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I only have this one coat, so
Speaker 1: I can't dryly.
Speaker 2: I can't like get rid of it because it's twenty degrees.
Speaker 2: I need the coat. So do I just buy another
Speaker 2: coat in the interim? Do I wet it right now?
Speaker 2: It's been days now, Like should I sweat something with soap?
Speaker 3: Or is it all colors? The coat?
Speaker 2: It's black. It's like a blackack puffer. It's a black
Speaker 2: normal puffer. No fashion, no must. I don't think you
Speaker 2: need to bring that anywhere. I think you can clean
Speaker 2: that yourself. I think I could just wet it, keep
Speaker 2: wetting it with like soap, Wet it a little bit
Speaker 2: of soap.
Speaker 1: Let it dry near your heater that I'm sure is
Speaker 1: like expelling extreme heat at all times, you know, so
Speaker 1: it'll dry it like really fast. Like yeah, I really think,
Speaker 1: just yeah, you want to scrape up all the actual
Speaker 1: like sauce or whatever, and then yeah, just like I'll
Speaker 1: just been wearing it honestly dish soap.
Speaker 3: You could use.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm dawn because it's stained as fuck and
Speaker 2: I've and no one can really see it.
Speaker 3: But it's sticky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to get the stick out of there.
Speaker 1: Water stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, and this coat's not even a few weeks old.
Speaker 2: Like I bought the coat for this winter season to
Speaker 2: be war immediate, sweet and sour immediate in the.
Speaker 1: Event that something really drastic was to happen to one
Speaker 1: of your coats. I mean, you know, you can get
Speaker 1: like a unicchlowpuffer for like nothing. I still have a
Speaker 1: uniclowpuffer that I think I grabbed on the go one time.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know I also went to a Shabbat dinner.
Speaker 2: Crazy oh, I got invited to a Shabbat dinner with
Speaker 2: a bunch of like sexy Jews. Everyone was wearing their necklaces.
Speaker 2: I go, okay, I didn't get that memo. The micro
Speaker 2: trend of the party, like everyone had a little mazoza
Speaker 2: around their neck or a high uh huh. But it
Speaker 2: was weed theme. So it was like, it's this Jeweye brand,
Speaker 2: so it was like Jewish token jew So it's like
Speaker 2: the honey is infused with weed, and then they use
Speaker 2: that honey to bake the halla.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and the.
Speaker 2: The chef, the holl Of guy, I guess follow he
Speaker 2: has a million followers. So it's a famous Jewish gay
Speaker 2: baker chef using Jewish infused.
Speaker 3: Honey and making weed. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: And then one of the packages is like, it's like
Speaker 2: this lemon gummy, but the shape is a Jewish star,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately lemon is yellow, so the packaging for the
Speaker 2: gummies is a yellow Jewish star.
Speaker 1: Oh they didn't they didn't think it through. They didn't
Speaker 1: think it through. You just need one person and outside
Speaker 1: eye to go. That's actually not gonna work.
Speaker 3: So they presented it.
Speaker 2: But the boys who do the weed, the token ju,
Speaker 2: they're all gay boys too. It's like a gay Jewish
Speaker 2: boy enterprise. It's like a fucking dream. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was cool. It was cool for sure. I sat next
Speaker 2: to some chef, Yeah, it was. It was that's so fun.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't go to events like this. You know,
Speaker 2: some people are built for network. This is what they do.
Speaker 2: I feel in our business network is really frowned down
Speaker 2: to pound and it's like a lame thing to do.
Speaker 2: And so I have that frame of mind, but then
Speaker 2: other businesses just do it. I guess if you're in
Speaker 2: real estate, you gotta yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I think it's like, uh, people bought tickets
Speaker 1: to this event. I was brought thing, you know, thank
Speaker 1: you to my friend R. I think people think that
Speaker 1: if in our business, it's like if you have talent,
Speaker 1: you have talent and you don't really need to like
Speaker 1: be glad handing and like talking to people and being like.
Speaker 3: Call me, let's meet, let's do that or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I would say like in like the TikTok world
Speaker 1: and like other you know, like extrapolations of entertainment, people
Speaker 1: are networking and collabing and doing shit to help each other.
Speaker 3: Babe up. You know, it's probably just not in stand
Speaker 3: up and like our specific Yeah, I think that's like
Speaker 3: you know guys like that, Like you know, I know
Speaker 3: one guy specifically who just like is always like coming
Speaker 3: around to shows being like, what's up? How are you you?
Speaker 1: Guys like, and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna say the
Speaker 1: name bleep it case. You know, I want to guess, well, he.
Speaker 3: Fucking sucks, But that's not that's not who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a guy who's not that I mean,
Speaker 1: not that that guy's good, but that guy has a
Speaker 1: reputation for being good.
Speaker 3: This guy is not even good. Is like this fucking guy.
Speaker 1: And I said, not that good. I thought him, but
Speaker 1: I forgot his name. No, I'm not talking about somebody
Speaker 1: who's actually good at it. I mean he's a like sickophan,
Speaker 1: you know, he just kisses ass.
Speaker 2: But you're right, you're right, Like if everyone's doing business
Speaker 2: and you will want to grow business and collab, that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 3: There's just something like an avert I I am.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was a cool experience for me. Did I show
Speaker 2: a few people my Simpsons art project?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, that's still not died down. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, Matt Groening might be in the Epstein Files. I
Speaker 2: saw that, So what, no big deal. Just dedicated my
Speaker 2: life to the show.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, did we ask people in the
Speaker 1: last episode to say Epstein Files if they listened to
Speaker 1: the end and that's why they're all right Epstein Files.
Speaker 1: I saw your comment and I was like, ah, got it,
Speaker 1: got it, got it. Go. I forget last night, at
Speaker 1: this last night, at this secret standa somebody goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I listened to I was listening to Last Cultriestas or something,
Speaker 1: and I go, I don't really listen to that many
Speaker 1: podcasts and they go, she goes, you don't, and I go, no,
Speaker 1: I listened to like two and she goes your own,
Speaker 1: and I go, I don't listen to my own, Like what?
Speaker 2: No, when people tell you things, Okay, So someone I
Speaker 2: performed in Connecticut woo.
Speaker 3: At the Funny Babe. Yeah, it was a nice drive.
Speaker 3: It's cute. It's cute.
Speaker 2: But so I was talking to a guy after my
Speaker 2: show and he's like, you know, when I found you
Speaker 2: was your Degenerate Special. And then he's like, and this
Speaker 2: joke and then he said a joke that I don't
Speaker 2: remember these words ever coming out of my mouth like
Speaker 2: and he was. He goes, you don't remember that, and
Speaker 2: I go, I think I was twenty eighteen, Like no.
Speaker 2: But when he told me, I go, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess that was pretty funny. But like, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything. Once it's out of my mouth,
Speaker 2: it's gone. It's like I don't remember anything I say ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's except the things I repented over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. Though, yeah, if you if you send
Speaker 1: us a dumbie, people will dm us just like responding
Speaker 1: to something we say. And I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what this is about, Like, so you we need
Speaker 1: a little bit of context, because I, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: But this guy, this was crazy. So I'm meeting people
Speaker 2: after the show, you know, selling my magnets, selling my wares.
Speaker 2: So I'm standing it's the end of the line. So
Speaker 2: it's these two girls that I've met before, they came
Speaker 2: to my show and Rhode Island, so they seems familiar.
Speaker 2: And then a group of seven straight white men and
Speaker 2: they were the only the only straight men at my
Speaker 2: show without like a partner. And then behind them was
Speaker 2: a couple of people from my Rhode Island show as well,
Speaker 2: and I know them through a mutual friend.
Speaker 3: So but it's the end of the line. These are
Speaker 3: the last three parties.
Speaker 2: The group of white men can't wait anymore, budge the
Speaker 2: two girls and just fully take over and won't leave.
Speaker 2: And I I I didn't kick him away because he
Speaker 2: knew all these jokes of mine and stuff, and seems
Speaker 2: like he's been following me for a while, and he
Speaker 2: did give me extra money for the magnets. But it
Speaker 2: was so crazy to watch, like, you're almost there. There's
Speaker 2: two women and they just couldn't. They all bulldozed the
Speaker 2: two women that were next, and I was like, it
Speaker 2: was almost your turn, got like, yeah, you've waited this
Speaker 2: long and it wasn't quick. It wasn't like listen our sitter, Oh,
Speaker 2: we gotta get out of here. But it was truly
Speaker 2: it's just wild when you see stereotypes come to life,
Speaker 2: and it was.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was really like a wild thing
Speaker 3: to watch.
Speaker 2: And I hope I'm describing it well enough for you
Speaker 2: guys to see how kind of nutty it was. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's almost your turn. You just had to wait for
Speaker 2: two more and it wasn't quit. Yeah, fully. And then
Speaker 2: when I started talking to that other group that then
Speaker 2: became friends after because they were bonding, he did it again.
Speaker 3: He interrupted again. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Maybe he thought at that point that you guys were
Speaker 1: friends and he had some kind of status.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then he goes, and my name's Joshua, like that
Speaker 1: one joke you did, and I go.
Speaker 3: What what?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember a lot of your bits I
Speaker 1: don't remember a Joshua bit, but it could be older,
Speaker 1: could go back.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you're listening, I hope your holidays are good.
Speaker 2: I hope tonight, tonight I'll be at a wedding. If
Speaker 2: you're watching this, the moment it comes out on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: I'll be at a wedding. I'll be at a Tuesday wedding.
Speaker 2: You're going to a pre New Year's Eve wedding?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I'll be at a wedding.
Speaker 3: And you know that.
Speaker 1: I like, I actually like a sort of like I
Speaker 1: went to a New Year's Eve wedding once and it
Speaker 1: was awesome, Like it was fung It's just like you
Speaker 1: don't even have to worry about the food or the
Speaker 1: drinks or anything. The dancing's already happening, the big countdown happens.
Speaker 1: It's like someone's taking care of everything for you on
Speaker 1: New Year's even though yours is the day before.
Speaker 3: But I think it'll still be like really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll be holiday season. But also, if you
Speaker 2: guys are listening to this. January third, I'm in Seattle.
Speaker 2: January fourth, I'm in Vancouver, and then I just added Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I'll be in Kansas City, grammar Sya Theater in February,
Speaker 2: New York, like I'm hitting the road next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to that spassed up live dot com. You
Speaker 1: can get to Lisa's link, you can get to our
Speaker 1: merch and I have a resolution.
Speaker 3: What's your resolution?
Speaker 1: I want to go to Six Flags. Oh wow, that
Speaker 1: seems like very attainable.
Speaker 2: It's been years since I've gotten on a roller coaster
Speaker 2: and I want to.
Speaker 3: I want to plan the event.
Speaker 2: I feel sometimes I wait for people to invite me
Speaker 2: to things or plan or pick a spot, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna plan it. I'm gonna plan, I'm gonna rent the
Speaker 2: thing and we're gonna go. And I want to ride
Speaker 2: roller coasters sick.
Speaker 3: I love six Flags.
Speaker 1: I mean that like I actually maybe I'll go in
Speaker 1: January because the best part time to go in LA
Speaker 1: is like is January, like everyone's back at school, no
Speaker 1: school trips and it's cold.
Speaker 3: Maybe I thought about my brother in January.
Speaker 1: Once we got off the roller coaster got right back on,
Speaker 1: we were like able to go like multiple times on
Speaker 1: uh Superman and stuff.
Speaker 3: That just hit me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one because I would go probably in New
Speaker 2: Jersey and that's closed in the winter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so unless you're gonna go to another state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they open back up. They probably open back up
Speaker 1: in like May. Yeah, I don't know, but that is definitely.
Speaker 1: I think you can make this happen. And I guess
Speaker 1: I'll say, drink water and drink water. Drink water, drink water.
Speaker 1: I actually downloaded I've been flossing. Whoa brag. I redownloaded
Speaker 1: a water tracking app on my phone, but I want
Speaker 1: like a better one.
Speaker 3: This one has so many ads.
Speaker 1: If you have like just a simple app that just
Speaker 1: I can just track how much water I'm drinking, please
Speaker 1: send it to me.
Speaker 2: I don't like area person to your website. Why are
Speaker 2: there other things pop I'm already on the site. I'm
Speaker 2: already here. Honestly, the pop ups are making me. I
Speaker 2: don't need ten percent off. I don't need ten percent off.
Speaker 3: Get away from me. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: But Happy New Year, last show of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this. So I have a theory right
Speaker 2: now where young people don't have never knocked on a door.
Speaker 2: I think that's the generational divide. Like you know, how
Speaker 2: you would go to someone's house knock on a door,
Speaker 2: maybe they're home, maybe they're not. I don't think people.
Speaker 2: I don't think young people have ever done that. People go,
Speaker 2: I'm here, are you home? They tell like there's no surprise,
Speaker 2: And so I think culture. I'm like trying to think
Speaker 2: of it, like what that means about humanity and us
Speaker 2: because I just read something about how like video games,
Speaker 2: Nintendo's like once you fail, you have to start over
Speaker 2: and there was no cheat sheets, you had to learn
Speaker 2: the things on your own, and how that helped us
Speaker 2: develop brain stuff, and how this generation it's it's never
Speaker 2: ending games.
Speaker 1: There's no failure, there's lives there. You say your progress,
Speaker 1: you move forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out what knocking has to
Speaker 2: do with who we are as people. And I ask
Speaker 2: a crowd this past weekend anyone born after two thousands?
Speaker 2: Some people clapped and I go, how many have you
Speaker 2: ever knocked on a door? And this girl like offend?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, And I go, okay, great, who's door?
Speaker 2: Because I don't believe it? Right, So I go, who
Speaker 2: sort did you knock on? And she goes trick or treating?
Speaker 2: I go, you prove my point? I mean to me,
Speaker 2: like as a sociological experimenter.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so once a year as a holiday where
Speaker 1: people are waiting, I'm not expecting their door to get
Speaker 1: knocked on. Yeah, but to me, I was like, the
Speaker 1: gifts you just gave me in terms of my data
Speaker 1: is huge.
Speaker 3: But the kids want to deny it.
Speaker 1: They want to deny it like other ones like no,
Speaker 1: when I go to neighborhood for kids, I go, you're lying,
Speaker 1: You're lying.
Speaker 3: I think they're lying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you random kidnappings are down because
Speaker 1: we were going door to door selling wrapping paper, selling popcorn.
Speaker 1: I mean we were knocking on whoever freaks door at
Speaker 1: any hour of the day, knock, knock.
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I bet that's probably a good thing. Don't
Speaker 1: go knocking on random fucking door. Also, now everybody has
Speaker 1: a ring cam and there's all this ringcam footage goes
Speaker 1: around that would deter me from knocking on doors. More
Speaker 1: of like yeah, you know, so I'm gonna post the clips.
Speaker 1: So sorry if you already saw it, but yeah, I'm work.
Speaker 1: I'm working on the clip at this point. Hopefully it's out,
Speaker 1: but it's this episode's coming out. Twelve Hourty we're interesting.
Speaker 1: I feel kind of boring, but I hope you listen.
Speaker 1: It's the end of the year, it's the last episode
Speaker 1: of the year. We're burnt out. We've been going to
Speaker 1: too many I'm I've been like drunk for four days.
Speaker 1: I've been going to all these parties and dinners. And
Speaker 1: it's the holidays, so give us a break. But happy
Speaker 1: New Year. Hope everybody has a good twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: and we'll have news, we'll have updates. Yeah, we're well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six will be big.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Our first episode of the year is going to be
Speaker 1: a banger in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Don't sleep on the pod. Don't make this the last
Speaker 3: episode you listen to. Please. All right, let's get started.
Speaker 3: We have a good one today. We're doing Wrath Baby
Speaker 3: Steve It season three, episode two.
Speaker 1: And if you're having deja vu, if you live in
Speaker 1: the area of Columbus, Ohio, and you're having deja vu,
Speaker 1: it's because we did do this episode at a live
Speaker 1: show there a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Or was it Cleveland or Columbus.
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh wait, maybe it was it was Cleveland,
Speaker 1: because it was because it was a big room, not
Speaker 1: a lot of people and a bat not a dead child.
Speaker 3: Up front. It was like, oh, my brother in law's
Speaker 3: family all came.
Speaker 1: All my brother in law, like my brother Colin's husband,
Speaker 1: his husband, Joe is from Ohio. His mom came, Joe's uh,
Speaker 1: two brothers and their wives came. Like all these people
Speaker 1: came and I was like, we open on you know.
Speaker 3: Dead child. Yeah, we we messed it up.
Speaker 2: We just thought it was funny because like because this
Speaker 2: this episode does stick into my head.
Speaker 3: Also a seven Deadly Sin fun rath. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also October fifth, two thousand and one, Fresh from nine
Speaker 2: to eleven?
Speaker 1: Oh maybe are yeah fresh right? I don't know, a
Speaker 1: post nine to eleven fresheet. You know, we love that,
Speaker 1: but I think we could have given it another go
Speaker 1: at another live show. We probably could have fine tuned it,
Speaker 1: but we just were both like this episode so dark.
Speaker 1: Like normally the ones we do on the road are
Speaker 1: like funny. It's brothers and sisters fucking each other, you know,
Speaker 1: like little funny, like people that are porn stars trying
Speaker 1: to that are like killing their porn boss.
Speaker 3: You know, this one was just too.
Speaker 1: Dark, and we apologize Cleveland, but we're gonna make it
Speaker 1: fun today, but just not with no, you're not.
Speaker 3: You don't have a drink in front of you. Maybe
Speaker 3: you do. Yeah, and guess what, we're in the woods.
Speaker 3: So that's we start out in the woods, always good.
Speaker 2: And there's a dead body in the trunk of a
Speaker 2: like a car, and there's two nerds taking notes and
Speaker 2: matching blue jumpsuits.
Speaker 3: And then there's another body.
Speaker 2: There's little tags we see there's games or training, scavenge,
Speaker 2: something's going on. They're talking about scavin not eating enough.
Speaker 2: And once there's a clipboard, you know, it's an official
Speaker 2: dead body kind of chain of we'll find out. One
Speaker 2: of them trips though, and it's three bodies that are
Speaker 2: on the trail of the path. But they shouldn't be
Speaker 2: on this path and these nerds know that and so
Speaker 2: and these bodies are zip tipe, so they got to
Speaker 2: call the cops. And then one runs back and he's
Speaker 2: wearing little booties to keep and I don't know, like
Speaker 2: a jeep to me, like from my childhood, to me,
Speaker 2: it's like the hottest, coolest car.
Speaker 1: It really just was a car that the cool kids
Speaker 1: got to drive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so but these are dorks go good
Speaker 2: for them, and then but they don't like that the
Speaker 2: real cops are getting in the way of their experiments
Speaker 2: and contaminating them. One of the cops is actually a
Speaker 2: FED so he's from the FBI, and he's being nice
Speaker 2: to the science guy. He's like, come on, guys, you know,
Speaker 2: like don't don't fuck with their experiments. So this character's
Speaker 2: name is Rod Franklin, played by John Doman, and he's
Speaker 2: in five SVU episodes, so that's pretty exciting. So he's
Speaker 2: in the five episode club. He's in a season one, two, three, eight,
Speaker 2: and thirteen and a different character each time. So Muggsy
Speaker 2: Kane has this in Michael O'Keeffe, so he joins this.
Speaker 1: I think he's the guy that's drinking milk. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the guy that's drinking milk that time. Yeah, that's a yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. And he's and he's working.
Speaker 2: He's working, okay, So he's and he's probably most well
Speaker 2: known from the Wire, so he was in all the
Speaker 2: seasons of the Wire. He's been working for decades. He
Speaker 2: clearly looks like a cop. He's been in Mothership, oh
Speaker 2: see the affair, like damages.
Speaker 3: He's working. He's working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stabler meets them and starts chatting with the science
Speaker 2: guy and is being really complimentary, very kind of you know,
Speaker 2: not what you'd expect from Stablor, but he loves this place.
Speaker 3: He goes, hell of a place. You got here.
Speaker 2: They do DK research, They study death to help law enforcement.
Speaker 2: They look at decomposition insect things. And then another cop
Speaker 2: walks over and Stable goes, honestly, will the this will
Speaker 2: all happen faster if you go back to your office
Speaker 2: and then you guys can go back to work, and
Speaker 2: the guy runs off.
Speaker 3: So the boys are here. We're working the case.
Speaker 2: Three bodies, one Hispanic female and she was a rape
Speaker 2: victim at SVU. Then there's a minor they don't know,
Speaker 2: but he is a young black boy. And then there's
Speaker 2: a white male father of a rape murder victim. And
Speaker 2: two of the adults were both Benson cases. So dramatic
Speaker 2: music starts to play and Stabler takes in the crime
Speaker 2: scene and now the credits. So we're back at work
Speaker 2: and Benson is like, why wasn't I called to the scene?
Speaker 3: Those are my cases?
Speaker 2: And staybugers, there's not enough time, Like we were working fast.
Speaker 2: There's the in between guy, the Feds, YadA, YadA, and
Speaker 2: it's Pixie cut Benson by the way, you know the
Speaker 2: cut that almost got her fired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the little bleach highlights like just at the
Speaker 1: at the ends, a little bit in there.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Wait, someone gave me an idea for
Speaker 3: merch for us for the next drop.
Speaker 2: If you guys, you know, get the Lewis Lewis Lewis
Speaker 2: Lewis Luis shirt. But what if we do ay a jersey?
Speaker 2: This was someone and I got her information. I was drunk,
Speaker 2: but I got her information. If we ever make it.
Speaker 2: But what if we do a jersey and on the
Speaker 2: back it says you know, Tommy and then it's like TMU,
Speaker 2: Like we're the TMU team and Tommy is our name.
Speaker 3: You don't like this, okay, you don't seem too like
Speaker 3: a baseball tea.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I've been dying to do a baseball tea forever.
Speaker 1: A baseball tea is one thing. Yeah, like actual like
Speaker 1: mess jersey. I wouldn't wear that. We were not making mesh.
Speaker 1: We were not making mesh. This is for the power
Speaker 1: Puff game, you know, or the power.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, I like that. I like a baseball tea.
Speaker 3: I think that's cute.
Speaker 2: But the Tommy okay, you hate it, you hate it,
Speaker 2: sorry to our listener, Kara hates okay.
Speaker 3: Okay. So the body of this haircut is very distinct
Speaker 3: Season three situation.
Speaker 2: But once you pull off a cut like that, you
Speaker 2: can like, you know, you know, you're hot in every angle,
Speaker 2: so it works.
Speaker 1: You have the facial structure she has. Truly any haircut
Speaker 1: will do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So but since the bodies are dumped at the federal facility,
Speaker 2: Huang is like they were killed in the city, so
Speaker 2: it's you know, it will be our case. And then
Speaker 2: she goes, no, that's my case. I'm the lead on this,
Speaker 2: and Stamler's like okay, And so Benson lead is the
Speaker 2: full squad meeting. So the white guy is Peter Cordell
Speaker 2: and he's the dad of Tina Cordell. And in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three, during the trial, Benson was with the dad
Speaker 2: while the perp was acquitted. Belzer asks what went wrong
Speaker 2: in the case, and she said a series of lab
Speaker 2: mix ups. So then the Hispanic female Carmela barantes she
Speaker 2: was raped and beaten three years ago by a gang
Speaker 2: banger who is serving eight to twelve and sing sing,
Speaker 2: so it could be some sort of gang revenge, but
Speaker 2: the other victims have no gang affiliation, so probably not.
Speaker 2: And then the young boy is Clayton Derrecks, who was
Speaker 2: abused by his father, was placed in a group home
Speaker 2: and then raped in the group home, and then finally
Speaker 2: placed in foster care.
Speaker 1: Can you believe people weren't dying in the aisles in Cleveland? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the darkest fucking first minute of the show.
Speaker 1: Pressed ahead, apologies to hilarities.
Speaker 2: So foster mother did file a missing person's report yesterday
Speaker 2: on the boy, so hopefully she's like not a bad person. Also,
Speaker 2: the three victims were pumped with sedatives, so potassium chloride,
Speaker 2: which makes the death painless, and Finn goes, does that
Speaker 2: make a difference? Yeah, it does, Like, I know death
Speaker 2: is death, but like you, I'd rather go painless than you'd.
Speaker 3: Rather fall asleep and never wake up then be stabbed.
Speaker 2: Ortured by some of these people in finnis seen some
Speaker 2: of the things that these victims go through, Like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? So whatever, So Craigan sends everyone off to
Speaker 2: work to see if there are any other connections besides
Speaker 2: Benson to the case. So we go to the home
Speaker 2: of Adam Cordell, and his son does not know the
Speaker 2: there are two people. He's also so fucking pissed, like
Speaker 2: this motherfck, so he assumes it's the killer of his sister.
Speaker 2: So he's like, this dude kills my sister. Now he
Speaker 2: kills my dad, Like what the fuck? And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: have you ever have you seen Victor Clawson in the area,
Speaker 2: And he goes, no, that motherfucker is a carpet layer
Speaker 2: in Queens. His brother in law got him the job.
Speaker 2: He's married, his wife's pregnant, he gets to live a
Speaker 2: whole life. And Benson goes, wait, wait, wait, are you
Speaker 2: stalking him? And he goes, no, no, no, but my
Speaker 2: dad did so not me. So yeah, the dad was
Speaker 2: following him to make sure that everyone knew who, like
Speaker 2: who he really was, and you know that might have
Speaker 2: gotten his father killed. So they go to visit Victor
Speaker 2: and Victor has gelled hair. He looks like, honestly, he
Speaker 2: should be in a musical, like he is laying carpet,
Speaker 2: but it seems like he can break out into song
Speaker 2: at any moment, and he's like, listen, a jury found
Speaker 2: me not guilty. Leave me the fuck alone. I'm putting
Speaker 2: up and down carpet. That's all I'm doing. And he
Speaker 2: won't stop. He won't stop the carpet, the carpet. He's
Speaker 2: a classic s You character. He keeps on move and
Speaker 2: Saylor's like, okay, well, how about we asked your wife
Speaker 2: your whereabouts?
Speaker 3: How about you do that?
Speaker 2: And he's like, leave me alone, and Benson goes, how
Speaker 2: you left Tina alone? You raped and strangled her. And
Speaker 2: he says, you can't harass me or that old man
Speaker 2: and they're like, well the old man's dead. He goes, good,
Speaker 2: now I can get back to my life and they go, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: but you are the number one suspect and he's he
Speaker 2: keeps carrying carpet and he calls the old man unhinged
Speaker 2: and he's like, I had a restraining order, but the
Speaker 2: cops never enforced it. And Benson goes, yeah, we just
Speaker 2: thought I'm murdering rapists like you could handle it by yourself,
Speaker 2: and he's like, listen, Tina had a smart mouth too,
Speaker 2: and it got her in a lot of trouble, so
Speaker 2: that sounds like a threat. We're going to push him
Speaker 2: against the van and start arresting him. And then they
Speaker 2: threaten him more and go, we're going to tell everyone
Speaker 2: you're a pedophile, and so he's like, okay, okay, I
Speaker 2: was home. I was home, and then the next night
Speaker 2: I was at Lama's class and his wife has the
Speaker 2: number to the Lama's place.
Speaker 3: Obviously he wouldn't the invisible labor women do. Okay, my
Speaker 3: wife has the numba.
Speaker 2: But he goes, we're done, but Stabler grabs him again
Speaker 2: and pushes him and says, nope, now we're done, and
Speaker 2: he smiles like he fucking loved that, and they go
Speaker 2: to So now they're gonna go to the little boy's
Speaker 2: foster mother. Her name is missus Harding. She usually has
Speaker 2: up to six kids at a time. It's always temporary
Speaker 2: until they find permanent placement. But Clayton never warmed up
Speaker 2: to her. And Clayton was stable, she said, though, and
Speaker 2: like younger kids looked up to him and he was
Speaker 2: just a nice boy.
Speaker 3: But she doesn't know where he would go.
Speaker 2: But there's no dad in the picture, really, like even
Speaker 2: visits with the dad were supervised. Who were they supervised
Speaker 2: by Benson connector So then she says, well, the group
Speaker 2: home he came from was in the Bronx and he
Speaker 2: does have a good friend there, so maybe you can
Speaker 2: like chat with the boy. So they go down to
Speaker 2: the group home. They're talking to an adult that's that
Speaker 2: works there, who says that Michael tried to attack the
Speaker 2: person who attacked Clayton and got his arm broken. So
Speaker 2: they're at the really good friends So munchin Finn are like, okay,
Speaker 2: so you had a friend here, this other guy that
Speaker 2: attacked him got the guy who attacked him got attacked,
Speaker 2: Like why didn't he stay? But his counselor thought a
Speaker 2: foster home would be much better? So who the fuck
Speaker 2: is this counselor. He also said that Michael did not
Speaker 2: but I guess the whole point is to then have
Speaker 2: a home.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what's better. I guess
Speaker 1: he was raped in this home. He should leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's so fucked, really fucked. That's it's
Speaker 3: really This episode's so dark. Once again, cannot believe we
Speaker 3: tried to entertain people with this live well.
Speaker 2: He also keep thinking about how I talked about in
Speaker 2: the pod. But remember like the actor I worked with
Speaker 2: who was like, well everyone gets help, and I go no, no, no,
Speaker 2: like some people are in the foster care system and
Speaker 2: he goes, no, you need invest and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: his dad owns lions Gate, and so it's like there
Speaker 2: are people that just like don't even get that this exists,
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, my dad is abusive, so I
Speaker 2: have to go to this home and then I could
Speaker 2: also get raped here, and then I'm at this foster
Speaker 2: home before my permanent home and now I'm dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And then there's people in this world that go, everyone
Speaker 2: gets help, you need investors.
Speaker 3: No one does it on their own.
Speaker 2: And it's like, how do we get even people to
Speaker 2: understand that this is happening and that this is people's
Speaker 2: true reality and that there's no solutions and that they
Speaker 2: have all this money and they just think everyone's like that,
Speaker 2: Like I don't get it. I don't care how to
Speaker 2: penetrate these people's brain.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you can like teach self awareness
Speaker 1: or like, you know, I just don't think they just
Speaker 1: be like I can't see outside themselves.
Speaker 2: It should be mandatory Jenny Jones style boot camp for
Speaker 2: any teen whose family makes more than one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: like for one week you have to go Jones, you
Speaker 2: have to go to boot camp like I don't know,
Speaker 2: or everyone gets to do a sim like I don't
Speaker 2: because it's also the separation, like because all these rich
Speaker 2: and there's someone that I do like following, but I
Speaker 2: do an'noy me. They're like any volunteer opportunities Christmas Eve,
Speaker 2: we'd love to feed people, and it's like, well that's
Speaker 2: more about you, and why Christmas Eve they have enough volunteers.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just like right, it bothered me where it's like
Speaker 2: the rich do this thing during the hall or like
Speaker 2: we're there, but they separate themselves from these people. They
Speaker 2: don't see it at like the we're the semon performative.
Speaker 1: Just put your money out, put you throw a check,
Speaker 1: throw a check at a food bank.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And that's also great to volunteer even on the anytime.
Speaker 2: I don't want to knock on that, but it just
Speaker 2: seems strange to only want to do it the most
Speaker 2: popular day of the year.
Speaker 3: To do it like that's confusing.
Speaker 1: If you're ultra wealthy too, like to be like does
Speaker 1: anyone know where I can be photographed serving up bowl?
Speaker 1: Of soup to somebody who's hungry. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just like, no, the sign ups are fulled.
Speaker 3: For that day. Yeah, yeah, they got it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hope she finds a place and I hope she
Speaker 2: does it. But it's like, because even when the I
Speaker 2: want these people to be aware these people exist, but
Speaker 2: I feel like they feel.
Speaker 3: Separate from these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you make these people feel one with
Speaker 2: these people that it's like you could have been the
Speaker 2: you know, like on a fair Baby and then been
Speaker 2: on the like one small change.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I mentioned a fair Baby. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't get it. Well, there's a
Speaker 1: hyper individualism that is growing more real by the day
Speaker 1: in our culture, where people just only care about themselves
Speaker 1: and and it's like, yeah, that's why they can't put
Speaker 1: themselves in the shoes of somebody who immigrated here from
Speaker 1: a worse place and it's just trying to make a
Speaker 1: better life. They're like, get out of here, criminal, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like all these people they can't put themselves in
Speaker 1: the shoes of people that don't get help. They you know,
Speaker 1: they can't say outside themselves, no, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: how wet it.
Speaker 2: Well, no, and I think it's from the Puritans. Our
Speaker 2: culture kind of like helped this forever money is virtue
Speaker 2: or something, and so these people are unvirtuous. So this
Speaker 2: young boy like no, and it hurts my I mean
Speaker 2: he had a friend, Yeah, he did have a friend,
Speaker 2: but just yeah, all right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I just don't get why this guy couldn't have gone
Speaker 1: after just like a couple adults that Olivia's worked with,
Speaker 1: we had to throw a kid in there. It's like
Speaker 1: so bad, you're right, kill the adults, kill some adults.
Speaker 2: Munchin Finn are like, why didn't? Okay, So the counselor
Speaker 2: wanted him in the foster home. This is that's where
Speaker 2: the spiral came from. Where It's like there is no
Speaker 2: good answer because now he's fucking dead. So it's like,
Speaker 2: do you want to go to this foster room and
Speaker 2: be dead or do you want to stay at the
Speaker 2: place where they raped you? Okay, So he says that
Speaker 2: Michael denied seeing Clayton. Michael Clayton is also kind of
Speaker 2: tough that you keep kind of saying that by accident.
Speaker 2: You're not saying it, but I do keep hearing Michael Clayton.
Speaker 1: Which is a movie I still have not seen. I
Speaker 1: have to see it. Maybe i'll watch it a long time.
Speaker 3: I should rewatch it. I don't remember it very well.
Speaker 3: People love it.
Speaker 2: So finally the adult walks into the room where the
Speaker 2: boy is and he's sitting on the top bunk, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's happy to talk and he but he
Speaker 2: wants to see the badges first, so he knows what's up,
Speaker 2: and he's on guard. And he does say that he
Speaker 2: saw him yesterday and that Clayton was super excited because
Speaker 2: he got a letter that he won a free computer.
Speaker 3: Oh no, and he knew it.
Speaker 2: Was a scam, but Clayton was pumped and he brought
Speaker 2: the letter with him and basically he like didn't want
Speaker 2: to get jumped on the train. So we asked if
Speaker 2: he had any money to lend him, and so he
Speaker 2: gave him money sweet to be able to take a
Speaker 2: car and he called the car service from a McDonald's
Speaker 2: parking lot. So like, what a cute kid, helpful and
Speaker 2: has all this information and I hope he finds so
Speaker 2: good permanent home. So now we cut to the Barantis
Speaker 2: residence and this is the victim. The last victim, the woman,
Speaker 2: and she never went out alone after the rape that
Speaker 2: happened to her. She lost touch with friends. Her last
Speaker 2: boyfriend ended up being abusive and then finally she got
Speaker 2: rid of him after going to a counselor. And she
Speaker 2: was doing good. She was going back to school, and
Speaker 2: she even won a computer ding ding ding, And she
Speaker 2: saw the letter and it looked like a sales deal,
Speaker 2: like a promo, and she took it with her and
Speaker 2: the mother thanks Benson for helping her daughter. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's like sad that Benson did so much to help
Speaker 2: this family and tried to but yeah, it is the
Speaker 2: reason why this woman is dead, probably one hundred percent
Speaker 2: for sure. So back at the precinct, it's a group meeting.
Speaker 2: So Finn and Benson, like mentioned the computer thing, they
Speaker 2: both connect on that. Immediately, Belzer gets off the phone
Speaker 2: with a car service and they have the address he
Speaker 2: was dropped off at. So then Craigan is going to
Speaker 2: go get a warrant and the four of them all
Speaker 2: go together and they're met with the building manager and
Speaker 2: he explains he's never met the guy that rents this place.
Speaker 2: It all happened over the phone. He paid six months
Speaker 2: in advance and it's Avelia Sonobin is like, on the
Speaker 2: that's the name on the lease and it was a
Speaker 2: local bank account. So they go into the office desk
Speaker 2: boxes and there are designs from promotional materials and brochures
Speaker 2: you get in the mail, so it looked like the
Speaker 2: free computer thing. Then they find the computer papers in
Speaker 2: the desk, so they're like, oh, so they probably like
Speaker 2: the victim comes in here, it looks legit, it's an office,
Speaker 2: and then offers him a drink and then that drink
Speaker 2: is laced and that's what knocks out the victims. So
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, so we do have a crime scene here.
Speaker 2: There's glasses, there's the pamphlets, there's everything, and the guy
Speaker 2: and we know the boy had this address that he
Speaker 2: gave to the car service. And the building manager, of course,
Speaker 2: is like, I'm not responsible. I'm not responsible. It's like
Speaker 2: no one said you were, bro get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of here. But then Benson closes the office door and
Speaker 2: it's one of those like private eye style doors where
Speaker 2: it's clear and on it there's it says the thing.
Speaker 2: It says the letters of the where you're going basically
Speaker 2: she closes the door and Avilia is Olivia backwards.
Speaker 3: So that's exciting. So she closes the door. It says Olivia. Wow.
Speaker 2: So now we get a beady Wong moment and George
Speaker 2: Wang let's go. So it's three victims, different races, different gender,
Speaker 2: different age. This is revenge. The real target is Benson
Speaker 2: and he wanted to make it personal. And you know
Speaker 2: this person wants her twisting stressed, and George Wang says also,
Speaker 2: like this person wanted the bodies found, he wanted national attention,
Speaker 2: he wanted them to be studied. It's at this federal
Speaker 2: like you know, crime lab, forest thing, and but I
Speaker 2: wonder if those are real.
Speaker 3: They want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, wait, I'm excited, and Benson's like okay, but
Speaker 2: how does he know so much about the cases? Did
Speaker 2: he get into my files? And Craigan's like, well, the
Speaker 2: Tina Cordell case said a lot of attention, but like
Speaker 2: what about the other two. And then they start being like, well,
Speaker 2: you did go to like parental visitation meetings, and you
Speaker 2: did keep helping Carmela, and she's getting defensive, like our
Speaker 2: job just doesn't just end. After the court date like,
Speaker 2: I'm helpful, and Kwang's like, nobody is blaming you, and
Speaker 2: she screams, you think I led him to these people,
Speaker 2: so you think I have a stalker. Okay, It's like,
Speaker 2: it's not your fault, babe. Let's go to the files
Speaker 2: and see who has a grudge. So George Kwang has
Speaker 2: one more bit. So potassium chloride, which was used on
Speaker 2: the victims is an ingredient in a death row cocktail.
Speaker 2: And they were using police restraints, so they had the
Speaker 2: zip ties, and you know, it's an ex con probably,
Speaker 2: you know, and so we need to find people that
Speaker 2: really fucking hate her and our vocal about it. And
Speaker 2: then they say, well, let's follow the money. So we're
Speaker 2: at the bank of the business account. Benson and Stabler
Speaker 2: are on the scene, and the count was opened four
Speaker 2: months ago. There's been no activity for thirty days. The
Speaker 2: balance is thirteen hundred dollars. So they basically asked the
Speaker 2: bank woman like, if there's any activity on this account,
Speaker 2: please hold a check and call the FBI, and the
Speaker 2: bank woman agrees to it, but when they walk outside,
Speaker 2: Benson seems pissed because she's like, what the fuck, why
Speaker 2: are the FEDS involved? And Stabler goes, well, they're faster
Speaker 2: and they're better and if they have issues, then it's
Speaker 2: on them and not on us. And she's like, no,
Speaker 2: fuck that your name wasn't on the door, So who's
Speaker 2: ass are you covering? Like what are you doing? Why
Speaker 2: are you so buddy buddy with the FBI? He goes,
Speaker 2: we're on the same team. Come on, and then Benson
Speaker 2: gets a call mid fight and found they found Clayton's dad.
Speaker 2: He's in lock up for a drunken disorderly and he's
Speaker 2: like not believing that his child is dad. He's blaming
Speaker 2: them for everything and the rape at the group home
Speaker 2: and you know that he wasn't with his dad, and
Speaker 2: they're like, but you were beating your kid, like what
Speaker 2: do you want us to do? And that he didn't
Speaker 2: have enough to eat. You weren't doing a good job,
Speaker 2: and the dad asks for a guard. He goes, I'm
Speaker 2: done with this. I don't give a fuck, and then
Speaker 2: the duo have to just like walk out. The dad
Speaker 2: does not want to help, obviously, he's like beating his
Speaker 2: kid and starving him, so he's not gonna and fuck
Speaker 2: the police. I'm sure in his mind because his son
Speaker 2: did get raped in this group home, not that he.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into it. Any thoughts on
Speaker 2: the dad.
Speaker 1: No, I just yeah, he's blaming, he's lashing out. But
Speaker 1: it is just like Clayton had a really hard life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that feels sad for him. That's the bottom line. So
Speaker 1: now it's like a walk and talk in the streets.
Speaker 1: So Benson keeps, of course being the hero. I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm okay, and Stablor goes, no, it's not okay,
Speaker 1: like a low life is out to get you.
Speaker 2: Staylor gets a phone call. We hear him ask how
Speaker 2: many and then he goes, okay, fine, we'll split up,
Speaker 2: and he's taking notes. And so now we have three
Speaker 2: X cons that we're very vocal about getting revenge on Benson.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go visit them. So first we start
Speaker 2: at West one twenty fifth Street. It's a man in
Speaker 2: a wheelchair and it's actor Hassan Johnson from the Wire
Speaker 2: and he's the famous meme. Do you know the meme
Speaker 2: that I'm talking about this one? Yeah, yeah, he's that one.
Speaker 2: Okay describes to the people what I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you you kind of like a.
Speaker 1: Stroke, like a beard that doesn't exist, and like kind
Speaker 1: of look really pensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's so funny what makes moments And that's
Speaker 2: probably one of the most famous gifts of our generation.
Speaker 2: So he so basically, this guy's like, listen, I was
Speaker 2: high on crack and I don't blame Benson.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't blame you Benson for anything anymore.
Speaker 2: Ah, my friends are dead or in jail, So like,
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure what you guys want right now.
Speaker 2: And Saylor was like, well, someone's after Benson, and he responds, well,
Speaker 2: they're not that good since she's still breathing.
Speaker 3: And he's over that whole lifestyle.
Speaker 2: And he spends time helping the kids to not follow
Speaker 2: in his footsteps. They want names, and he does give
Speaker 2: the details on the cops and the reverend and everyone
Speaker 2: who helped him, and he's pleasant as fuck, and he
Speaker 2: wheels off and wishes them luck. Finn is in the
Speaker 2: face of a man selling books on the street and
Speaker 2: when Benson is mentioned, he goes, fuck that bitch. Is
Speaker 2: she dead? And Finn hits him. I love it, he says.
Speaker 2: So he's like, listen, I let them take my manhood
Speaker 2: away from me. So I can get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of prison. And she shows up and throws a monkey
Speaker 2: wrench at my parole hearing it wasn't right. Munch goes,
Speaker 2: you raped your kniece, that wasn't right, and letting you
Speaker 2: out wasn't right.
Speaker 3: But he goes, I take shots.
Speaker 2: I'm fat as fuck, I'm sick, I have giant tits,
Speaker 2: like I'm not fucking and so Finn says, but do
Speaker 2: ponytails and Bretts still get you hot?
Speaker 3: Fat boy? That should be on I would buy that
Speaker 3: s what shirt? That's the classic?
Speaker 1: Like's not in Dramalaney saying, you're telling me this guy
Speaker 1: gets picked, like gets turned on my little girls in
Speaker 1: pigtails or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, classic, that's like a just a classic. Finn.
Speaker 1: Also, I like the idea of you doing a brand
Speaker 1: deal for chemical castration, you being like the spokesperson of
Speaker 1: chemical Grustration, Like I love when they bring it up
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I mean I want for worse. I mean that the
Speaker 2: person that I've become, I can't imagine. I would like
Speaker 2: to see an alternate universe without this podcast. I'm just
Speaker 2: like a calm, nice girl. JK but I mean chemical castration.
Speaker 2: That's that's my like least controversial take. I would say,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I'm like, yeah, yeah, executing billionaires,
Speaker 2: I would say, is at the one end of the
Speaker 2: spectrum chemical castration somewhere other side, left of center. So
Speaker 2: but this guy reminds me very much of meat Loaf
Speaker 2: and Fight Club physically. If you're wondering, like what's happening
Speaker 2: to his body with this mastration.
Speaker 3: His name is Robert Paulson.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, okay, but he says, no, sir, he does
Speaker 1: ponytails and brets do not get him hot.
Speaker 2: He's clean, he has no sex drive, and like what
Speaker 2: you know, when will they leave him? And Munch says
Speaker 2: a special kind of surgery.
Speaker 1: So you know.
Speaker 3: He wants the traditional castration. He wants the UNIQ model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so now we have to Now
Speaker 2: we go to another person. It's a woman at a
Speaker 2: flower shop and she's like, I divorced him.
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck, leave me alone.
Speaker 2: She's fuming at Benson and Stabler, and she has such
Speaker 2: skinny eyebrows too, very of the you know, the years
Speaker 2: of the two thousand and one, like a very f
Speaker 2: an eyebrows. She angrily puts together a bouquet, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of like funny, like watching someone pissed off but
Speaker 2: putting together flowers. But she goes, you put an innocent
Speaker 2: man in prison for seven years. He didn't commit those crimes.
Speaker 2: Leave Eric alone and Saybil goes, listen, we didn't have
Speaker 2: DNA evidence when we did.
Speaker 3: It cleared him. And she's like, oh, so that makes
Speaker 3: everything right.
Speaker 2: And they just need to know where he is and
Speaker 2: she says, I don't know, and if I did, I
Speaker 2: still wouldn't tell you. So they go okay, and then
Speaker 2: they're like, well, dumb her phone, we'll see if she
Speaker 2: reaches out to him and to give him a heads up.
Speaker 2: Benson says she's tired and wants to pack it in
Speaker 2: and I feel like she's lying. But then she we
Speaker 2: do just see her resting, but like you for me.
Speaker 2: When she says this, I go, oh, she's doing like
Speaker 2: a side operation. She's mad at him for like the
Speaker 2: FEDS or something like, I don't know. I didn't believe
Speaker 2: that she was actually tired, But then it cuts to
Speaker 2: her resting to her in bed yeaheah. Normally, when she
Speaker 2: says that she's like, I'm gonna go take some personal time,
Speaker 2: and she's just fully launching a side investigation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, she.
Speaker 2: Does go sleep here, but also stablers like, well, no,
Speaker 2: don't rest, don't rest, Let's go to dinner, and Benson
Speaker 2: has to go you haven't seen her kids in a while,
Speaker 2: maybe you should go home, Like she has to push
Speaker 2: him to go home, but I.
Speaker 3: Think he knows she's struggling, Like I.
Speaker 2: Get all of this, but even Benson's like, go home
Speaker 2: with your kids, and she is really sleeping. No lies here,
Speaker 2: no secret investigations.
Speaker 1: She's like fully just pissed at him this whole episode
Speaker 1: because she feels like he doesn't have her back with
Speaker 1: the FBI, and then he's buddying up to the FBI
Speaker 1: because I don't know. We're always saying on this podcast,
Speaker 1: like why don't they just hold can work together and
Speaker 1: get the job done. And Benson seems to be really uncharacteristically.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think also, her mom's died recently, so she's in
Speaker 1: a mood.
Speaker 3: It's a mom died mood, Okay, I think so. I
Speaker 3: think it's like her mom's died pretty recently, and she's
Speaker 3: like in a mood season two.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, this is the top of season three kind
Speaker 1: of right, like pretty close to the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's fueah yeah damn. But Benson's sleeping
Speaker 2: perfect moonlight on her, and then we hear buzz buzz
Speaker 2: buzz buzz buzz, continuous door buzzing at four thirty nine am.
Speaker 2: It will not stop, keeps buzzing. Benson asks who it is.
Speaker 2: No one answers the intercom. She's annoyed and says, you
Speaker 2: have the wrong apartment. I would be a little more suspicious,
Speaker 2: but the buzzing does start again.
Speaker 3: Girl, you're a detective. She finally gets it.
Speaker 2: She grabs her gun, goes downstairs, and I love her
Speaker 2: in like pajama pants, tank top gun. But okay, so
Speaker 2: she is downstairs and nobody is there. A toothpick is
Speaker 2: stuck in the button and it keeps buzzing. She looks around.
Speaker 2: There's a box on the curb with the trash. It's
Speaker 2: from a Violi productions or promotions or whatever, and there's
Speaker 2: an arm sticking out of it.
Speaker 3: Fuck. So then she starts buzzing. Who is she buzzing?
Speaker 3: Did she not bring her key?
Speaker 1: I think she's buzzing anybody in the building to like
Speaker 1: wake them up to call the cops because she didn't
Speaker 1: bring a phone or something.
Speaker 3: No, fine, but go way back in and call the cop.
Speaker 2: I don't understand waking up all of your neighbors to
Speaker 2: look at the dead body. I question her decision making
Speaker 2: in this moment. She could have stress. She's scared.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's right around the corner he's gonna kill her.
Speaker 1: She's like, let me back in.
Speaker 2: I don't know right or right or right. So it's
Speaker 2: an active crime scene. Now Benson's disassociating. She's in a
Speaker 2: cream sweater. And then Clayton, Derek's father, that's the body,
Speaker 2: that's the So this guy had a drunken disorderly and
Speaker 2: now he's in the box dead. So again it's someone
Speaker 2: she was talking to that ends up dead. And then
Speaker 2: the old the FBI guy from up top is trying
Speaker 2: to get Scoop and Benson's and Stabler they're being you know, difficult.
Speaker 2: She's like, you think if I had something, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: tell you And he's like, yeah, Like usually we're not
Speaker 2: that careful when it comes to our own safety, you
Speaker 2: know how all of us are. Like, it's weird to
Speaker 2: see the FBI being nice. It's usually the other way around,
Speaker 2: Like I am team FBI, and Sabler goes, my partner
Speaker 2: knows how to do her job.
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, I never said she did it.
Speaker 2: And he goes, okay, I get it, but she needs
Speaker 2: to stand down, okay, and she says no, wait, he
Speaker 2: didn't say it like that. He goes listen, like, she
Speaker 2: just needs to stand down. I get everything you're saying.
Speaker 2: It is what it is. And she says no, and
Speaker 2: he's like, well, this man was alive until you went
Speaker 2: to the tombs to question him. So and Stabler goes,
Speaker 2: it's too early to point fingers.
Speaker 3: But I again, I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: And this dude, wait, is this our next march? I
Speaker 2: don't need protective custody.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 1: I said no to the protective detail? Is that is
Speaker 1: that too weird a shirt?
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it's let's brainstorm that.
Speaker 2: What's a smoother way to say it? There must be
Speaker 2: like a quicker way to be like I don't want that. Wait,
Speaker 2: it has protective detail a circle and then an X
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 1: I mean I would say I would love a protective detail.
Speaker 1: Give me a protector. Yeah, I would love a protect
Speaker 1: I would love it all the time. A productive detail, yeah,
Speaker 1: start taking detail out of bed, Come on.
Speaker 3: I would I would start more fights. Honestly.
Speaker 2: The only time I really don't get engaged is when
Speaker 2: I know I would lose in a physical fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but not with a productive detail.
Speaker 2: If I had protective detail, oh, I'd be starting fights
Speaker 2: left and right, everywhere shoving.
Speaker 1: That's the reality show. It's Liza, but with a protective detail.
Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, this guy's being normally goes I listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming you, but you can't work like you
Speaker 2: can't work the case. She goes off, I don't work
Speaker 2: for you. These victims are my cases. So he goes,
Speaker 2: all right, you're being stalked. You need a detail. She again, No,
Speaker 2: forget about it. I'm not a victim. Like I don't
Speaker 2: get I don't get it. I don't get it. I
Speaker 2: will never get this mentality.
Speaker 3: I don't. There's macho shit that she They all do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all do it, all the lawyers, the judges, everyone,
Speaker 1: and they always get injured. Yeah, so she just is
Speaker 1: basically like someone left a dead body of a man.
Speaker 1: I just talked to in a box outside my apartment,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, and you are wasting our time.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's get to work. Does anyone know who
Speaker 2: bailed this dude out of the tombs? And the release
Speaker 2: form says it was you Benson. She goes, damn. So
Speaker 2: they go to Lonnie bail bonds and this dude flips
Speaker 2: through some papers and a man named Oliver Benson laid
Speaker 2: down a g So Benson and Saibler go, well, they
Speaker 2: make guys and go where's the ID?
Speaker 3: He goes, guy paid cash.
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't need idea unless property being used
Speaker 2: for collateral. You know, they're always on the defensive because
Speaker 2: they know they're shady motherfuckers. They ask for a de
Speaker 2: prescription of the guy, and the guy starts yelling, oh
Speaker 2: I see so many people I don't blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and so Benson goes, okay, well that guy was on
Speaker 2: federal charges and with capital crime, so yeah, I'll call
Speaker 2: the fence.
Speaker 3: How about that? And he goes.
Speaker 2: He calls her sweetheart, big mistakes. Shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2: So as soon as Sweetheart runs out of his mouth,
Speaker 2: they cause a commotion. Badges up kicking everyone out, and
Speaker 2: since he didn't get the ID, they start asking for
Speaker 2: full records on everything and everybody or you're gonna be
Speaker 2: fuck So he goes, okay, okay, well no, he goes,
Speaker 2: it's not drug money. It was one thousand dollars. He goes,
Speaker 2: anyone can raise one thousand dollars, So I didn't think it.
Speaker 3: Was a big deal. But he he.
Speaker 2: Goes, listen, wait guy average late twenties, early thirties, like
Speaker 2: there's nothing to him.
Speaker 3: Benson's fuming. So now we're at Craigan's office.
Speaker 2: FBI guy knock, knock, knock, and Craigan asks official or
Speaker 2: off the record. He says both, So he's like, put
Speaker 2: Benson on a desk. Craigan goes, no, she's my best.
Speaker 2: She's the best the sective I have. He says, I
Speaker 2: don't doubt it, but the bodies were found on federal property,
Speaker 2: and I can take this case from all of you
Speaker 2: in any second.
Speaker 3: I want to, so fucking buck.
Speaker 2: Up, and he goes, and I'll fuck up your file
Speaker 2: and Craigan says, you can fuck me up with all
Speaker 2: Like whatever you do, I make choices in life, and
Speaker 2: I've already made mine.
Speaker 3: That's hot, Craigan, that's like standing on business for miss Olivia. Ben'son.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he leaves and you know, respect on both ends.
Speaker 2: These men are working very well together. So then Benson
Speaker 2: and FBI guy make eye contact as he walks out,
Speaker 2: and Craigan just says, you know, back to work, everyone,
Speaker 2: no worries. So he asks any evidence that Eric Plummer
Speaker 2: called his ex wife. Munch talks shit about Flowers being
Speaker 2: a waste of money. Finn of course has to remind
Speaker 2: him that is why you are divorced, sir. And then
Speaker 2: Finn goes, well, I get everyone flowers, and Munch goes,
Speaker 2: that's because you have to.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: So Stabler found a forty five minute call to a
Speaker 2: Baseline labs. Finn goes, wait, if Plumber works at the lab,
Speaker 2: that means he also has access to potassium chloride, and
Speaker 2: Munch jumps in that like one of the victims, though
Speaker 2: unfortunately had a different drug. This one the newest one,
Speaker 2: the dad Bruce, he had pavelin. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: the dad's the dad suffered, so the other three did
Speaker 2: not suffer. It was just like sleep to death. And
Speaker 2: then this guy choked and struggled for two minutes to die.
Speaker 2: So Benson says, well, because he's a bad guy and
Speaker 2: those were innocent people.
Speaker 1: Oh the dad, Clayton's dad, not the dad, not the
Speaker 1: third dad. Yeah, yeah, the ladies. Yes, this guy is
Speaker 1: like this, this purp is handing down a lot of
Speaker 1: moral judgments through his crimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Benson says, oh, he saw him like a purp
Speaker 2: and executed him like one. Craigan says, to check the
Speaker 2: employees with plumber at this place. So Creagan goes, Okay,
Speaker 2: go to the go to the lab, you know, talk
Speaker 2: to people. So Craigan reminds Benson to take it easy
Speaker 2: because she, you know, she's wound a little tight and oh,
Speaker 2: you worried about something? She says, pissed and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: your safety, Like we all love you, Olivia, we just
Speaker 2: don't want you murdered. And she again says, no protective detail.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be a hero, but that's what
Speaker 2: the guy wants. And Craigan goes, but what if you're next,
Speaker 2: and she goes, no, he wants me twisting and thinking,
Speaker 2: not dead. So Stabler goes, how can you be sure
Speaker 2: of that? And she says, because it's working. So they
Speaker 2: go to Baseline Labs and he knows nobody under that name.
Speaker 2: But when they show the plumber's photo, the guy says, oh,
Speaker 2: that looks like Norman Weber.
Speaker 3: So he does insurance services.
Speaker 2: He gets blood you're in samples for physicals, and he
Speaker 2: goes to you know, Patience Homes. He says, they have
Speaker 2: a strict, rigorous screening process with lots of background checks,
Speaker 2: and Norman passed it.
Speaker 3: He's at the Upper West.
Speaker 2: Side right now, at an apartment and the suspense the
Speaker 2: suspender guy looks nervous. He's like, wait, you know, like
Speaker 2: one freak could lose us a lot of contracts. And
Speaker 2: Sailor goes, oh, no, he's not a suspect or anything like.
Speaker 2: We just want to talk to him. So they haven't
Speaker 2: call us. So Huang is back at work and he
Speaker 2: has like some ideas and wants to like bounce with Benson,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, no, he just fucking hates me and
Speaker 2: he's killing people that I try to help. And he goes,
Speaker 2: and how does that make you feel? She goes, hey, doc,
Speaker 2: how about you not therapy me? Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: So they bond and they giggle and chat and Benson's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: he's been planning this for a while. And Huang's like, well, look,
Speaker 2: he gave these people a painless death and had them
Speaker 2: all comforting each other. They're you know, this is psychological warfare.
Speaker 2: And he thinks, like, maybe this dude believes he's freeing them.
Speaker 2: You know, they have this miserable existence that you left
Speaker 2: them in. And he identifies with them, and he says
Speaker 2: he sees them all like him, a victim of Benson
Speaker 2: because you know, he went to Jones and was innocent.
Speaker 2: So they're in the balcony loft area and they hear,
Speaker 2: you know, Eric Plumber on the ground floor, so they
Speaker 2: go downstairs. Kragan is greeting him. Benson looks over the
Speaker 2: banister and he has a great attorney. Ned Eisenberg rests
Speaker 2: in peace and so gets to work right away. Is
Speaker 2: he under duress, suspect all that? Cabot says that it's
Speaker 2: all that's premature. It's an ongoing investigation. And now we
Speaker 2: can fully see Plumber and it's the brother from Weeds.
Speaker 2: His name is Justin Kirk and he loves days working.
Speaker 2: I love him too, and I wonder if it's just
Speaker 2: on that show. He wasn't that Animal Practice show? Yes, whatever,
Speaker 2: And he's always working, and I think he's attractive, and
Speaker 2: he kind of looks like Harry Connick Junior, who I
Speaker 2: don't think is he.
Speaker 3: Kind of does. He's like I had such a crush
Speaker 3: on him from Weeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was on I think he was
Speaker 1: on Blackish as like a sneakerhead guy, like yeah, Modern Family.
Speaker 1: He works, he works, Yeah, he's working. I love when
Speaker 1: I see him pop up because I think he's so hot.
Speaker 1: And then I always think about him in this episode
Speaker 1: and go, you're also freaky, freaky, And so he's stoneface.
Speaker 2: It's really funny. He should be a meme. So funny
Speaker 2: the stoneface he gives counsel requests. Benson leaves and Munchinfin
Speaker 2: are like, oh yeah, let's go down to the bar.
Speaker 2: So they take her to the bar. Stabler leaves and
Speaker 2: it's meeting time. The lawyers like, he went through hell
Speaker 2: in prison. He would never want to go back, and
Speaker 2: the last time he worked with you guys, he ended
Speaker 2: up in jail for a crime he did not commit.
Speaker 2: You have to leave him alone. Cabot's like he had
Speaker 2: a fair trial. And he was convicted by a jury
Speaker 2: of his peers. He wasn't singled out by Benson, and
Speaker 2: Plumber goes, have you ever been to prison, arrested, cuffed, printed, photographed?
Speaker 2: I was beaten, raped, and tortured. I finally learned to
Speaker 2: stop screaming. Do not minimize what I went through by
Speaker 2: telling me I got a fair trial. Good point, and
Speaker 2: Cabot is silenced. Stabler asks why he changed his name,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I wanted a fresh start and he
Speaker 2: finally felt safe. And then the cops show up to
Speaker 2: his job, like how long does he have to pay
Speaker 2: for a crime he did not commit. Sabler is not
Speaker 2: deterred and keeps asking questions, what drugs do you have
Speaker 2: access to?
Speaker 3: None?
Speaker 2: I'm at a lab. I'm not at a hospital, Like
Speaker 2: what the fuck? And Stabler keeps pushing about the potassium
Speaker 2: chloride and Plumber says, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: He directs his lawyer to show his work records for
Speaker 2: the last two weeks, but lives alone, so you know, nighttime,
Speaker 2: no alibi. They leave Craigan, Cabot and Stabler chat. Cabot's like, listen,
Speaker 2: we need to prove the syringe was in his hand.
Speaker 2: If we want to send him up again, like we
Speaker 2: fucked up. We sent him an innocent man to prison.
Speaker 2: We have to be one hundred percent this time. Sailor
Speaker 2: likes him for the crime, and so does Craigan. So
Speaker 2: Craigan sends him to talk to people that sing, sing
Speaker 2: and see if we can get more scoop. Now we're
Speaker 2: at the bar and.
Speaker 1: The the detectives are splitting a picture and you know,
Speaker 1: they're trying to cheer Benson up, and Munch is like,
Speaker 1: it was a good bus.
Speaker 2: You did everything right. They have a little discussion. How
Speaker 2: most people are home alone at night in the last
Speaker 2: few weeks, you know, like if someone asks you Thursday
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 1: Where were you? You might know because you have a
Speaker 1: Google calendar. I had to look at my calendar, though
Speaker 1: I don't know off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you can just have a fake calendar
Speaker 2: and lie, but at least you'd have alibi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like most people, if you do live alone,
Speaker 1: you're usually home alone. Like what do you do if
Speaker 1: you're a single person where people think you did a
Speaker 1: crime and you were home, Like, how do you prove it?
Speaker 3: I wondered, Like Roku. I know, did you order a
Speaker 3: pay per view?
Speaker 1: Like that used to be the big thing was like
Speaker 1: did you order pay per view in your hotel if
Speaker 1: you're by yourself?
Speaker 3: Because now but that doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1: It's like I can order Uber Eats and leave, Like,
Speaker 1: I guess there's a sure there's a camera in my lobby.
Speaker 3: There's a security camera.
Speaker 2: I guess I could prove that I came in, But
Speaker 2: then I would have been able to leave off my
Speaker 2: fire escape if I really wanted to commit the crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what do you?
Speaker 2: So that's Benson's point in this discussion, like, you know,
Speaker 2: months you're probably home alone with no underoing what you did.
Speaker 2: And so you know, she put she helped put it
Speaker 2: in a sent man away and that and and she's
Speaker 2: a good person, so it weighs on her. And the
Speaker 2: evidence was weak, it was circumstantial. She's spiraling, and Finn goes,
Speaker 2: fuck you sound like a legal aid lawyer that's embarrassed.
Speaker 2: And she goes, he's a victim, Like what do you
Speaker 2: guys want from me? And Munch says, but if he's
Speaker 2: your guy, he's a predator, not a victim. And Benson says,
Speaker 2: we blame all kinds of people for creating monsters.
Speaker 3: Why not ourselves? Good point.
Speaker 2: So she downs her beer and goes outside. She's in
Speaker 2: a red scarf. She's walking, there's footsteps behind her. A
Speaker 2: man is following her. She spirals around and pulls a
Speaker 2: gun on a man who tells her to stay calm
Speaker 2: and that he's FBI. So they're tailing her. Some more
Speaker 2: guys run out. It's a protective detail, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I told the FBI no, and he goes, this was
Speaker 2: an FBI, this was stabler. She's stunned, so she goes
Speaker 2: and wakes his ass up. Ding dong, bitch, wake up.
Speaker 2: So he starts defending his actions before she even says
Speaker 2: a word. She says, only the rat squad puts cops
Speaker 2: on other cops. And she says that she deserves better
Speaker 2: than that. He says, and he goes, I did what
Speaker 2: I had to do. This man is murdered four people.
Speaker 2: She says, when you can't trust your partner, it's time
Speaker 2: to get a new partner, and goes right to Cabot
Speaker 2: to scream at her. So she's like, why aren't you
Speaker 2: getting Warrens, you dumb bitch, And she's like I don't know,
Speaker 2: if you remember, we did put an innocent man in prison,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be harder to just get a warrant.
Speaker 2: And she's like, I swear I saw him. I swear
Speaker 2: he is stalking me. And she says, well, I don't
Speaker 2: know he was in our interview room, so I don't
Speaker 2: know if he could have been there, and then uh,
Speaker 2: and Cabbot goes, it's also still circumstantially, he could just be.
Speaker 3: In the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: And then Cabot's like, how many drinks did you have?
Speaker 3: And I mean, Benson does not like that. Obviously her
Speaker 3: mom died of alcoholism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pissed, like she looks shocked for like like seconds,
Speaker 2: and then looks pissed and then she slowly spins to
Speaker 2: release the anger, like she's so angry, she just to
Speaker 2: spin around, and then it's wet eyes and anger, and
Speaker 2: then it takes her a few moments and then she goes,
Speaker 2: I wasn't drunk, and she walks out. Craigan has Olivia
Speaker 2: in his office and he doesn't out she saw him,
Speaker 2: but she is not acting right, and she goes, you
Speaker 2: know you know what, you know what I have vacation
Speaker 2: time and I want distance and I want time off
Speaker 2: and Crane goes, if you need it, take it as
Speaker 2: of now you're out. She says, thank you, she leaves,
Speaker 2: and so now only the men are left in the
Speaker 2: center precinct to get to work. So what's the sing
Speaker 2: sing of it all is he started a lot of
Speaker 2: fights and that's to get in the hole, and Finn
Speaker 2: says that's a good idea because then nobody can get you.
Speaker 2: And the only visitor he had the whole time was
Speaker 2: his ex wife. They wrote to each other daily even
Speaker 2: after the divorce, and he had a cell mate named
Speaker 2: Russell Williams who's actually at Rikers right now awaiting another
Speaker 2: murder trial, so kind of exciting. And he I don't
Speaker 2: know why I said that he wants a deal, but
Speaker 2: maybe we can chat and see what's up.
Speaker 3: But he is like a repeat murderer offender.
Speaker 2: But the DA in charge is like, not letting Cabot
Speaker 2: do this, and she goes, whatever, he killed a drug
Speaker 2: dealer who gives a fuck like instead of life, give
Speaker 2: him twelve to fifteen. And the DA is like, what
Speaker 2: you don't get to put a value on whose life has?
Speaker 1: More?
Speaker 3: Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: And Cabot's just like, we need to catch this guy
Speaker 2: who'd like dumped a ten year old dead boy on
Speaker 2: rotting corpses like, come on, let's so this guy will
Speaker 2: get twenty five. Let's go, and so we go. The
Speaker 2: guy gives in, so we're gonna go talk to him.
Speaker 2: So this this killer goes, so, what did Eric do
Speaker 2: to make you guys so willing to grab your ankles?
Speaker 3: I like that? Whoa?
Speaker 1: And so the old guy goes, we're wasting our time.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: He starts to leave, but Williams stands up and says
Speaker 2: that Eric had a thing for a female cop, that
Speaker 2: he talked about it NonStop, and Cabot asks for proof,
Speaker 2: and he goes, what you think I had a recorder?
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you talking about? Kabot goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but your word means nothing, and he says, how about this?
Speaker 2: How about hand delivered letters? So basically this is the
Speaker 2: old prison express.
Speaker 3: But I don't know how that. Okay, so explain this
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: So he says, so Williams, this guy would hand these
Speaker 2: letters to his old lady, and that the old lady
Speaker 2: would hand it to his wife, and it would avoid
Speaker 2: the warden. Is it because you snuck it into her?
Speaker 2: Like do they not search you when you do visitation?
Speaker 2: Or you're allowed to give your wife a letter? Like
Speaker 2: why would the warden not see that letter? Like I
Speaker 2: wonder what that vibe is.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I didn't I don't get that.
Speaker 2: I don't know the normal mail way the worden is reading.
Speaker 2: So then he says, if you're thinking like that, he
Speaker 2: spilled all this and I'm just some guy. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine what he told his old lady. So finally they
Speaker 2: got the warrant for the letters, so they're at Eric's
Speaker 2: house and that means they got their warrant because they
Speaker 2: found two dozen letters at the ex wife's house and
Speaker 2: that could so much evidence that it can actually get
Speaker 2: her to be an accessory to a crime. And there's
Speaker 2: pictures of Olivia, newspaper clippings, and then under the floor
Speaker 2: tile in the kitchen they find the chemicals that were used,
Speaker 2: so they can finally arrest him. So the boss is
Speaker 2: pissed and it's like, leave us alone. Norman told me
Speaker 2: what happened, get out of here. He would exonerated. And
Speaker 2: then while he's like screaming, fighting the detectives about like
Speaker 2: not wanting to help them find Norman. Because he is
Speaker 2: an innocent man that was put in prison, it's easy
Speaker 2: to take his side. He spills that the girl cop
Speaker 2: was already there, so Olivia aka this is when she
Speaker 2: lies about her time off, she already got this information
Speaker 2: and was given the address to the patient that's whose
Speaker 2: house there in So now Stable has to run. Benson
Speaker 2: goes and buzzes and gets led up to an apartment
Speaker 2: and she hears a gun shot fuck, and then the
Speaker 2: door opens. It's a curly haired woman with a gun
Speaker 2: to her head, and he's like, come in, come in,
Speaker 2: and she says I can't, and he's like, so basically,
Speaker 2: the curly haired woman goes, he knew that you were coming,
Speaker 2: So he says to tell you that all the other
Speaker 2: people didn't suffer, but that she won't be so lucky,
Speaker 2: and then he pulls her inside, so she's like, out
Speaker 2: of you, and Benson then has to run inside to
Speaker 2: help this woman. So she goes, it's between us, let
Speaker 2: her go, it's just us, and he says, how does
Speaker 2: it feel to have your credibility shattered and life in ruins?
Speaker 2: And She says it sucks, and he says I was innocent.
Speaker 2: She says, you were, but now you've killed four innocent people.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, three innocent people and one child abuse
Speaker 2: her and she says why did you choose them? And
Speaker 2: he goes they were suffering and they needed their suffering
Speaker 2: to end, and who was going to help them?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 3: And Benson says, sorry, what happened to you? I really am.
Speaker 2: I can't turn back the clock, but I can testify
Speaker 2: for you on your behalf and I can admit an
Speaker 2: open court. I am responsible for all of this. He
Speaker 2: laughs in her face there's not going to be a trial.
Speaker 2: And the woman's crying. There's still a gun to her head,
Speaker 2: and Benson asks again, like, please let her go. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about it. He goes, there's nothing to discuss. She says,
Speaker 2: please let's talk, because don't think I won't fucking kill you,
Speaker 2: and he says, no, I'm counting on it, Detective Benson,
Speaker 2: and he pushes the woman down, gun to her head
Speaker 2: and she screams, drop your weapon, Drop your weapon. He
Speaker 2: says there are no bullets in this gun, but he
Speaker 2: acts like he's going to shoot her, and Benson does
Speaker 2: murder him.
Speaker 3: Bang bang, he's dead.
Speaker 2: Stabler Munch walk in right behind her right after the shooting.
Speaker 2: Finn is there as well. Stabler tells her it's okay.
Speaker 2: He had no bullets in the gun though, so her
Speaker 2: eyes wet up. She's so mad, and Stabler says let's go,
Speaker 2: and she says, I've got to give my statement. He
Speaker 2: says i'll take you. Benson says, you leave me alone
Speaker 2: and walks off. So now she's home, She's in a sweatsuit,
Speaker 2: it's raining outside. She's looking out at the rain. Knock knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 2: She won't answer the door. Then the phone ring, she's
Speaker 2: not answering that either. There's a tear down her face.
Speaker 2: And then so we watched Stabler leave like her apartment
Speaker 2: and shuts his little flip phone. And that's Dick Wolf.
Speaker 3: Baby. It's a fucking wild one.
Speaker 2: It's a wild one because there's another one, you know,
Speaker 2: the biker one with the fake DNA where they set
Speaker 2: Olivia Olivia, but he shows up to fight her and
Speaker 2: kill her. So I always get confused between the two.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it sucks that she had to shoot him
Speaker 2: and he had the plan. I mean, it was a
Speaker 2: sue it was. It was a suicide mission.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's a surprising that there's not more episodes about
Speaker 1: men like blaming Olivia for their own crimes and trying
Speaker 1: to get her because we see how short the sentences
Speaker 1: are for some of these rapists. So they're gonna get
Speaker 1: out and they're looking for someone to blame him. Why
Speaker 1: not Olivia Benson who got in their face and sent
Speaker 1: them to jail.
Speaker 3: But it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: You know what the saddest part about this, these fucking
Speaker 1: crimes is that all of these people were like having
Speaker 1: such a fucking hard time in their lives, and then
Speaker 1: they thought they were getting a new computer, and they
Speaker 1: just went to this place to pick up a new
Speaker 1: fucking computer, like that little kid who's probably so psyched
Speaker 1: his new computer and then lights out. I just fucking
Speaker 1: can't with this guy. And he thinks he's like the guard.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's like the angel of death, and he's
Speaker 1: helping people die because they're miserable.
Speaker 3: Don't offer them a fucking free computer. Let them figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also because he wanted to die,
Speaker 2: so you like assumed they all did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably that's true.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get into the crime.
Speaker 1: Originally we did not think that this episode had a
Speaker 1: crime attached. But but the way is no barrier to entry,
Speaker 1: so anyone can there's one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wikipedia is like could write that is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it could write that every single one is
Speaker 1: based on like Ted Bundy, and it has. I mean
Speaker 1: there's one that it said it was based on, which
Speaker 1: is the crime of Eddie Mattos, The case of Eddie Mattos,
Speaker 1: who I did research and found out he was this
Speaker 1: guy who in a chase after an arm robbery at
Speaker 1: McDonald's in New York City, he pushed a police officer
Speaker 1: into an air shaft, killing him and went to jail.
Speaker 1: I don't really know what any of that has to
Speaker 1: do with what we just watched, so I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be reporting on that case. But if somebody could
Speaker 1: go in and take that out of the wiki, that'd
Speaker 1: be very helpful. I don't have a log in, but
Speaker 1: let's start out with body farms, okay, because I did
Speaker 1: google body farms so that you don't have to because
Speaker 1: the pictures are unforced. The first body farm was also
Speaker 1: known as the Forensic Anthropology Center at the Anthropology Research
Speaker 1: Facility in Knoxville, Tennessee, at the University of Tennessee Knoxville,
Speaker 1: where my brother in law lives. And this was founded
Speaker 1: in I guess the facility was established in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one when the first body was donated, but the body
Speaker 1: farm working with the FBI started in the late nineties
Speaker 1: because as of like twenty nineteen or so, they were
Speaker 1: celebrating twenty years of this project. And they basically have
Speaker 1: a course there for agents in the FBI called Recovery
Speaker 1: of Human Remains.
Speaker 3: It's one of the most popular courses.
Speaker 1: And this is basically just an outdoor site two and
Speaker 1: a half acres where human remains are buried with they're
Speaker 1: donated bodies. That's why it's so wild that they found
Speaker 1: these like three bodies in the episode that are not
Speaker 1: one of theirs. They're left out theried, they're partially covered,
Speaker 1: they're subjected to these different elements.
Speaker 2: And where they get these bodies, they're donated to science.
Speaker 2: It's a science. It's science, or it's like I want
Speaker 2: there is it?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Because if I.
Speaker 2: Want to be in a museum, I want to be
Speaker 2: in the body's exhibit. I don't want to be at
Speaker 2: a body farm, Like, can you pick what science it's for, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be at a loser medical No.
Speaker 1: I know, you're like, I'm going to just let cops
Speaker 1: like brush my body off, Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I don't know how the process.
Speaker 2: Because remember the woman that was like shot off into space.
Speaker 3: We covered that, Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: People are really stretching the boundaries of the definition of science,
Speaker 1: it feels, but some of them are going to this
Speaker 1: rec and you know, it does help law enforcement study
Speaker 1: how bodies break down and decompose under different conditions. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I don't think Melinda Warner would have been able
Speaker 1: to figure out the whole speeding up of the deal.
Speaker 1: I mean she finds people indoors most of the time,
Speaker 1: but this is for specific like finding bodies outside, like
Speaker 1: in nature and how nature interacts with these different because
Speaker 1: sometimes we've seen where they've made a mistake and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: they thought the time of death was this time, but
Speaker 1: they didn't account for the fact that it was uncharacteristically
Speaker 1: freezing that time of year. Uh, and the body had
Speaker 1: been actually killed earlier and had been preserved by the cold. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it is good for working with
Speaker 1: law enforcement. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, because this reminds me of the forensic files that
Speaker 2: I really love, where it's like they are able to
Speaker 2: solve the crime because of the maggots. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: what was in a stomach or like whatever, like, yeahs
Speaker 2: are really.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like it. I just don't want
Speaker 3: my body to be included. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy to go to medical students or whatever,
Speaker 1: but that would be like a really funny yeah, if
Speaker 1: the body is in the body's exhibital, Like that's a
Speaker 1: funny cartoon to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one being like, oh I look gross. I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the FBI Laboratory began sending their guys to the
Speaker 1: body Farm, which is what they're calling this place in
Speaker 1: the late nineties to train them in investigating outdro crime scenes.
Speaker 3: Heather True, who was.
Speaker 1: A special agent for the FBI's Evidence Response Team who
Speaker 1: helped organize the course, said quote, one of the things
Speaker 1: that students learn here is the forensic anthropology method. It's
Speaker 1: based on years of archaeological science concepts and methods to
Speaker 1: recover not only the evidence and the remains, but also
Speaker 1: the information and context of what is in those burials.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting there are.
Speaker 1: Now seven of them besides the one in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Listen up, is there one near you? Western Carolina University
Speaker 1: in Kiloe. Sorry, you're you're going to message me that
Speaker 1: I'm saying that wrong. Kialawi Kloe, North Carolina, Texas State
Speaker 1: University in San Marcos, Texas, sam Houston State University in Huntsville, Texas.
Speaker 1: Southern Illinois And University in Carbondale, Illinois, Colorado, Masa University
Speaker 1: and Grand Junction, Colorado. And the University of South Florida
Speaker 1: in Tampa, Florida. That's obviously where like Dexter type people
Speaker 1: would go because you know, it's it's hotter there.
Speaker 3: You got to investigate what the heat does to these bodies,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's the body farm. That's just a
Speaker 1: little bit of extra info on the body farm. I
Speaker 1: have a couple I have a couple of articles in
Speaker 1: my sources in the show notes. Should we guys' work
Speaker 1: on If you're interested, where we go? Well, when you
Speaker 1: go home, we meet in Carbondale. Where's that tour the
Speaker 1: body farm in Illinois? Though? Where? How far is Carbondale
Speaker 1: from where you? Oh, Southern Illinois University. I don't really fine, yeah,
Speaker 1: like five hours or two hours? You know, I got
Speaker 1: family near Tampa. I'm always ready to go back to Sarasota.
Speaker 2: I mean I want to go to a body farm.
Speaker 2: I wonder what it will be like. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I want to see that. And now I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the bones. I don't know if I need to go.
Speaker 1: When I first googled it, I remember when I put
Speaker 1: in our live show in Cleveland, I said, don't google
Speaker 1: body farms, like it's really not good. But okay, this
Speaker 1: is another case that the as we said, boundaryless. Wikipedia
Speaker 1: said that this is based on I don't think it is,
Speaker 1: but why not hear about kind of an interesting crime.
Speaker 1: I don't think another episode of SPU is really based
Speaker 1: on this either.
Speaker 3: And I had not heard of this guy?
Speaker 1: Uh the who is Graham Young aka the Saint Albans
Speaker 1: Poisoner and Graham Frederick. I'm on redit, I'm on redit?
Speaker 1: Uh uh?
Speaker 2: Well, Also, if you're just an unclaimed body, they'll they'll
Speaker 2: throw you in there, Yeah, like a John Doe, which
Speaker 2: is so crazy because don't they go back to John
Speaker 2: Doe's years later when they try to like break cold case.
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't.
Speaker 1: But if no one claims a body, right, and if
Speaker 1: you die your natural causes, like it's not a case.
Speaker 1: It's not like a you know, ef, no one claims
Speaker 1: your body. You just died of a heart attack or something.
Speaker 2: And they need all race, gender and body types to
Speaker 2: know what everything affects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep' the Yeah, it's the most diverse place when
Speaker 1: the body out here, we're all equal except in decomp rates,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure are varying.
Speaker 3: Okay. So, Graham Frederick Young is.
Speaker 1: Also known as the Tea Cup Poisoner, which sounds like
Speaker 1: sort of like adorable, like there's a I tried to
Speaker 1: do watch something called Murder in a Tea Cup, which
Speaker 1: sounds so cute and like a little Angela Landsberry style murder.
Speaker 1: But it's on some BBC service that I didn't want
Speaker 1: to pay for, like a streaming service for the BBC.
Speaker 1: But this Graham Frederick Young was an English serial killer
Speaker 1: who murdered his victims by poisoning. Yeah, and he was,
Speaker 1: and so I guess what they're comparing it to is
Speaker 1: that this guy poisoned these people to die. But that's
Speaker 1: the only connection, is the poison, Like it's not really
Speaker 1: I don't think this guy, you know, there was no
Speaker 1: other connections in terms of wrongful imprisonment or wrongful conviction.
Speaker 3: Or anything like that. Getting back at a cop.
Speaker 1: I think the rest of that all came out of
Speaker 1: Neil Baar and Co's head. So and actually this episode
Speaker 1: was written by I think Judith McCreery, and she is
Speaker 1: one of the has some of the most the darkest
Speaker 1: SVU episodes under her belt, and I feel like we
Speaker 1: tried to get her for this podcast and she said no,
Speaker 1: thank you, but I would, you know, love to know
Speaker 1: what's going on in that little brain. Young loved poison.
Speaker 1: This guy was just into poison. Like even as a kid,
Speaker 1: he would poison his friends and schoolmates and relatives and
Speaker 1: eventually a teacher got suspicious and did call the police.
Speaker 3: He played it guilty.
Speaker 1: He was just like yep, and these were three non
Speaker 1: fatal poisonings.
Speaker 3: At the age of fourteen.
Speaker 1: He gets sent to Broadmoor Hospital, which I know you
Speaker 1: have researched because I think Jimmy Saville. There was something
Speaker 1: in the Jimmy Savile case I had to do with
Speaker 1: broad More. It's like this infamous high security psychiatric hospital
Speaker 1: in Crowthorne, Berkshire, England, and we've talked about it before.
Speaker 1: It's had very high profile killers in the UK I
Speaker 1: think have gone there. Young was among the youngest inmates
Speaker 1: ever sent to broad More at age fourteen, and he
Speaker 1: had very strict parameters on his release, like it had
Speaker 1: to be petitioned through like a government official that he'd
Speaker 1: be released.
Speaker 3: And he apparently.
Speaker 1: Also at some point confessed to killing his stepmother through poison,
Speaker 1: but that was never like outright proven, but it was
Speaker 1: never linked, but he confessed to it.
Speaker 3: Doctors at the facility.
Speaker 1: Determined that he was psychopathic, you know, he had no
Speaker 1: developed sense of right or wrong or any morals, and
Speaker 1: he liked to use two poisons called thallium and antimony,
Speaker 1: and doctors recall him saying stuff like I am missing
Speaker 1: my antimony, I miss the power it gives me. And
Speaker 1: not shocking that a fourteen year old psychopath also loved Nazis.
Speaker 3: He was reading up on Hitler.
Speaker 1: He even grew a little Hitler's stash at one point,
Speaker 1: this guy was a big fan. Okay, he probably would
Speaker 1: have loved modern day America. He left Broadmore in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one at the age of twenty one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said when this all went
Speaker 1: down initially, but so yeah, he went to broad Moore
Speaker 1: in the in the mid sixties and he's out at
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one at age twenty one. So he's been
Speaker 1: in there now for seven years. I think he had
Speaker 1: tried to get out at five years and the doctors
Speaker 1: were like no, he like, doesn't have any remorse. But
Speaker 1: then somehow at seven years he convinced some doctor that
Speaker 1: he was completely changed. We've seen it before that he
Speaker 1: was changed and he didn't covet poisoning people anymore, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't obsessed with poison. But supposedly he did tell
Speaker 1: a nurse quote, when I get out, I'm going to
Speaker 1: kill one person for every year I've spent in this place.
Speaker 3: So somehow that's not going to help you get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they got him out because nobody listens to nurses,
Speaker 1: as we've also discovered on our podcast, And he got
Speaker 1: a factory job where he promptly started poisoning his coworkers.
Speaker 1: He ended up immediately immediately he killed them, he would yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he killed two of them. He caused several serious illnesses
Speaker 1: in other ones, and even at his job, people were
Speaker 1: like starting to get suspicious because they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're all getting like sick, and you're not, like so
Speaker 1: if this is a virus, you're maybe a carrier of
Speaker 1: it or whatever. But I don't think any of them
Speaker 1: knew that he was this fourteen year old psychopath at
Speaker 1: the time in his past, in his you know, a
Speaker 1: grown up fourteen year old psychopath.
Speaker 3: There's now twenty one.
Speaker 1: So he gets convicted of two counts of murder and
Speaker 1: two counts of attempted murder. In nineteen seventy two, they
Speaker 1: get him for these factory poisonings and he is sentenced
Speaker 1: to life, and most of his sentence he starts out
Speaker 1: at Parkhurst Prison, where he died in nineteen ninety at
Speaker 1: the age of forty two. So he was in prison
Speaker 1: for eighteen years. But that's pretty young. And he died
Speaker 1: of a heart attack, and he had no history of
Speaker 1: heart disease, so some people think he either took his
Speaker 1: own life or he was possibly murdered by fellow inmates
Speaker 1: or staff at the prison who didn't feel safe around
Speaker 1: him because he was this fucking psychopath with like no
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But interestingly his case became very well.
Speaker 1: Known and they should actually do an SVU based on
Speaker 1: the s crime.
Speaker 3: Yes, they should.
Speaker 1: Definitely not this episode putting in my idea for my specscript. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this guy was fully rightfully convicted, but it it
Speaker 1: sparked a lot of debate in the UK over releasing
Speaker 1: offenders who are suffering from mental illness, like they were
Speaker 1: just letting people out, you know. And then so very
Speaker 1: soon after his initial conviction in seventy two hours after
Speaker 1: they said, the British government announced two inquiries into the
Speaker 1: issues surrounding this guy's case and the general treatment of
Speaker 1: inmates with mental health issues and their releases and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: So the Butler.
Speaker 1: Committee ended up being formed and that led to widespread
Speaker 1: reforms and mental health services, and then the Poisons Act
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two put harsher restrictions on the purchase
Speaker 1: of deadly poisons. And uh, because it was I guess
Speaker 1: pretty easy for this guy to just jump on in
Speaker 1: someplace and get poisons and his life inspired a nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five movie called The Young Poisoner's Handbook, which I've never.
Speaker 3: Heard of and I don't recognize anyone that's in it,
Speaker 3: but it's on there on IMDb.
Speaker 1: Then wildly in two thousand and five, a sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Japanese high school student was inspired by Young. She
Speaker 1: had read a lot about him and was like very
Speaker 1: taken by him. Poisoned her mother slowly over time, giving
Speaker 1: her increasing doses of thallium, which is one of the
Speaker 1: poisons that Young used to use, and recorded her mother's
Speaker 1: suffering on an internet blog like diary entries of like
Speaker 1: today mom, mother's legs are not working, and this and that,
Speaker 1: and something I read about it briefly was that she
Speaker 1: used a Japanese word in her blogs that is, like
Speaker 1: it's the word I, but it's like for male, for
Speaker 1: only a man would say it. So they said that
Speaker 1: that could have been further proof of her trying to
Speaker 1: kind of like impersonate Graham Young a little bit, like
Speaker 1: she's writing from the point of view of like a
Speaker 1: male poisoner, because she obviously something.
Speaker 2: And what did she pretend like Munchausen vibes that it
Speaker 2: was like either her mom was just ill or she
Speaker 2: straight up was like blogging how she was poisoning her.
Speaker 1: She was just blogging how she was poisoning her. And
Speaker 1: there are you can like read in my show notes
Speaker 1: I put oh, I'm yes, uh for sure. It was
Speaker 1: really hard to find anything about this after her initial
Speaker 1: like discovery, like I'm sure because it was covered in Japan,
Speaker 1: and like I don't think the US and the UK
Speaker 1: really like I found it in the Times online and
Speaker 1: then it was there was also a Guardian, So I
Speaker 1: think UK publications were covering it, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they covered like her trial. I couldn't even find if
Speaker 1: the mom died or not. Like what I found was
Speaker 1: the mom went into a coma in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: and what I found was that as of two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, she had not regained consciousness. But I couldn't
Speaker 1: find anything because their names are not in this, either
Speaker 1: the mom or the daughter. Their names are not in
Speaker 1: the it's just the area of the girls from is Shizuoka.
Speaker 1: So there's like just an area that she was in
Speaker 1: in ural Japan.
Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah. So in her one of her first entries,
Speaker 3: she talks.
Speaker 1: About Graham Young and says, this is the autobiography of
Speaker 1: a man I respect he murdered someone at the age
Speaker 1: of fourteen. And then like another entry is like, my
Speaker 1: mother will go to hospital tomorrow and nobody has yet
Speaker 1: found out what the cause is. To my regret, she
Speaker 1: is not covered by good insurance, so life will be
Speaker 1: a little difficult. And yeah, she's not saying that she
Speaker 1: did in the entry. She doesn't seem to be saying
Speaker 1: that she did anything. But one of her entries says,
Speaker 1: to kill a living creature, the moment of sticking a
Speaker 1: knife into something, the warmth of the blood, the little sigh,
Speaker 1: it is all a comfort to me. So she's going
Speaker 1: through some kind of like she's having some kind of
Speaker 1: like murderous impulses or whatever. And she's you know, infatuated
Speaker 1: with this guy, at least his work, Graham Young, And
Speaker 1: she started doing this and this was like in five
Speaker 1: This was like twenty years ago svus on TV when
Speaker 1: this is going on, And yeah, her brother turned her in.
Speaker 1: Her brother turned her in, and I just don't know
Speaker 1: what happened to her. I'm sure she either went to
Speaker 1: mental institution or but I could not find any more
Speaker 1: recent stuff on her and yeah, Like I was like
Speaker 1: trying to type in all these keywords being like mother survive,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's no indication that she died. But
Speaker 1: also it's like I can't read Japanese and I don't
Speaker 1: have access to these outlets over there, so and there's
Speaker 1: no names. You know, they keep everybody private, so there's
Speaker 1: no name for her.
Speaker 3: But very dark and that's that's that.
Speaker 1: That's what I found on Graham Young the Saint Albans
Speaker 1: poisoner aka the teacup poisoner. And if you have this
Speaker 1: BBC streaming service, you can watch Murder in a tea
Speaker 1: cup if you'd like. But that's yeah, the slow poisoning
Speaker 1: and watching huh yeah, like and these poisoning seemed like
Speaker 1: they made people sick for a really long time. They're
Speaker 1: like they made a point to say it's potassium chloride
Speaker 1: in the episode where it kills them quickly and like
Speaker 1: rather painlessly. I think, yeah, and so obviously very different.
Speaker 1: But the poisoning seems to be the only connection here,
Speaker 1: and I we had I don't think this is connected
Speaker 1: to another SVU, so I just thought I.
Speaker 3: Would talk about it here anyway, of course. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: let's get into our post mortem. I mean.
Speaker 1: This episode poisoning fucked me though, this poisoning of it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, poisoning and watching it, like.
Speaker 1: That's really psychotic, right, that's not just like I want,
Speaker 1: I have the blood lust of like taking someone's life
Speaker 1: quickly and like, you know whatever, that's really like you
Speaker 1: want to watch somebody sick and get like to be
Speaker 1: suffer and be sick.
Speaker 2: And then help them. It might be like a much
Speaker 2: risen by proxy. But she didn't even want attention. Well
Speaker 2: she did shut a blog, of course.
Speaker 3: That girl.
Speaker 1: Yes, But Graham Young, I mean there was no there
Speaker 1: was no indication that he then wanted to then use
Speaker 1: that for help. Like he just liked the power. He
Speaker 1: liked the idea that he could just slip it to anyone.
Speaker 1: You can get so close to someone, you know, like
Speaker 1: there's a physical force with weapons and attacking someone physically
Speaker 1: with a weapon to kill them that a fourteen year old.
Speaker 3: Boy might not have.
Speaker 1: But with poison you could take down anybody, anybody of
Speaker 1: any size, of any level of power. Like he just
Speaker 1: probably felt like he's really pro poisoning Cam. I'm really
Speaker 1: fucking into poisoning now. No, it's like terrifying. Also, I'm
Speaker 1: sure the kid had like no idea when he was
Speaker 1: fourteen what the right doses were. Luckily he didn't kill anybody,
Speaker 1: but then when he was twenty one he did.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I saw something online where a neighbor was
Speaker 2: annoyed with the noise of another neighbor or the smell
Speaker 2: or something, and they caught him on camera like going
Speaker 2: in and under the door, like what is.
Speaker 3: It called the door jam? Yeah, door, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so doing what like chemicals like lad like h
Speaker 2: like putting in poisoned air in the thing, or there
Speaker 2: was one forensic file the neighbor with the diet like
Speaker 2: poison the diet coat. Like the poisoning is crazy' right.
Speaker 2: You don't know where it's gonna come from. Anyone could
Speaker 2: do it. You're living your life and these people are
Speaker 2: sick os.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like anti freeze poisoning used to be a big thing,
Speaker 1: but then they change the way it tastes, so now
Speaker 1: it's not sweet like gatorade anymore, or whatever.
Speaker 3: It looks good.
Speaker 2: Can they stop making things look good. It's a gorgeous color,
Speaker 2: of course, I want to drink it. When I see
Speaker 2: that color, I want to chug it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like fuck lemon lime right into my veins.
Speaker 3: I love that shit.
Speaker 2: But this do you feeling he's a hero because he
Speaker 2: poisoned these people. And it's like, I don't know, Clayton
Speaker 2: could have had like a good life. I mean it's hard.
Speaker 2: I guess the woman never left it went out again,
Speaker 2: you know, alone after her assaults and going back to
Speaker 2: what we say all the time, like.
Speaker 1: But she could have, like I don't know, she could
Speaker 1: have like recovered and healed and had a good like life.
Speaker 1: He didn't need to snuff her out because she had
Speaker 1: gone through a tragedy.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it also just lends to like we care
Speaker 2: so much about rapists in their future and not what
Speaker 2: rape does to people long term.
Speaker 3: And you know this woman just her whole life was changed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that was that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I love this actor. I like the episode. I
Speaker 2: like Benson pissed. I feel, yeah, we need a little turmoil,
Speaker 2: we need the we need the kids fighting once in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I like Craig and stepping up. I like
Speaker 3: Craig and being like a hottie. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's like they had no idea how long this show
Speaker 1: was going to last, or that Benson and Stabler would
Speaker 1: be together for twelve seasons, and at the beginning of three,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, they still are like not trusting each other, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's still it's been two seasons, but they're still
Speaker 1: not I give you my kidney first level. Noo.
Speaker 2: But season two already happened with the with U Blue
Speaker 2: Diamond Phillips.
Speaker 3: No, that's the season seven. That's not season seven. Really yeah,
Speaker 3: because that's when she's pregnant, remember, No, Yeah, season seven fault.
Speaker 1: I Am Dead, the one of WHOA So they built
Speaker 1: their love Why did I think that was season two?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, shit does happen in
Speaker 1: season two? It's like Diane Neal like what was Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah too. I mean season seven, damn. Season
Speaker 1: two has like you know, countdown man Hunt, like there's
Speaker 1: some peak oh my god, peak scourge. Like they have
Speaker 1: just watched a Chadlough interview this morning in bed someone
Speaker 1: asked him about the hilaryous swink oscar thing, and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: I felt bad for her.
Speaker 3: They like rushed them. I didn't think about it.
Speaker 2: You know, she thinks she would think me all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, like it was a different I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean guests of the pod. I mean we're like
Speaker 2: the most star studded podcast I know about. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I watched Blake DeLong and Elsbeth.
Speaker 3: Oh you I've been seeing his posts about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I commented he liked my post. I did. I used emoji's.
Speaker 3: It was a thrill.
Speaker 2: But you know, him saying that we talked to character
Speaker 2: actors and people made me proud and happy. But he
Speaker 2: was it was a great episode. There was Lana Condor
Speaker 2: was in it. He was talking about her. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: it was a good episode. It was all It was
Speaker 2: based on Bill Belichick. I don't know if he mentioned
Speaker 2: that time.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it is a ripped from the headlines like
Speaker 1: Bill Bella check episode. No fucking way, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: have not noticed that in any of the other elsbeths
Speaker 1: that they're ripped from the headlines.
Speaker 3: Does she does the young girlfriend like kill the older guy?
Speaker 2: Do you want me to say? No, don't tell me,
Speaker 2: don't spoiler. No, it's a half, it's twenty two minutes.
Speaker 2: Just fucking watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch that's or not?
Speaker 2: Do you want gonna say it whatever you want.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't don't spoil it for the Elsbeth
Speaker 1: heads that listen. Okay, but this episode, I don't know
Speaker 1: what our takeaways are, like we I mean, I think
Speaker 1: what our takeaways are is that.
Speaker 2: We do need to get like and god, DNA evidence
Speaker 2: came to play yea. But also they said they prisoned
Speaker 2: him in nineteen ninety three, and I thought DNA was
Speaker 2: around in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Or ladies was not as employed until the nineties. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was like a round, but it was
Speaker 1: like harder do you kind of like they didn't have
Speaker 1: the tech I get.
Speaker 2: I don't know well because I'm always annoyed about circumstantial evidence,
Speaker 2: and it's like he did it, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't go off that. You can't. You have to
Speaker 2: fucking prove it in a court of law that someone
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 1: You're sending them to prison to be fucking raped and
Speaker 1: be in Yeah, you know, like well, the first USA
Speaker 1: DNA exoneration was in eighty nine, so you could imagine
Speaker 1: that that also in eighty nine, there was like like
Speaker 1: a line you know, of people to prove like they
Speaker 1: all were like, yeah, check mine, check, like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm gon to become so into body farms, like just
Speaker 1: Reddit is robust is their merch.
Speaker 3: When I died, donate me to a body farm. Whould
Speaker 3: you guys wear that on a shirt? See you on
Speaker 3: the body farm? Rip me?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, honestly, we need to be offering more.
Speaker 1: My takeaway is that, like, yes, this guy like went
Speaker 1: completely nuts after he got out of prison, but it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a It is like a representation of
Speaker 1: how like the world is very harsh to people that
Speaker 1: get out of prison, like once you're exonerated, like the
Speaker 1: trauma that you've had in jail for also being wrongfully
Speaker 1: imprisoned is like real and that's not dealt with. And
Speaker 1: then he goes out and tries to like ruin the
Speaker 1: life of the cop that put him in jail.
Speaker 3: Ya, killing all these people you.
Speaker 1: Know, rented a whole office space. Yeah, he really went
Speaker 1: to a lot of trouble this time. And the empty
Speaker 1: the no bullet and the gun. That's yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: final fun. These guys like to do a final fuck you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he knew what she was gonna do, she'd
Speaker 1: have to like she's not wrong, but yeah, he did
Speaker 1: have a gun to this woman's head.
Speaker 3: And the door.
Speaker 2: The door scene is iconic, like this is this That's
Speaker 2: why we picked it for the live show because that
Speaker 2: door scene is so iconic and fun and like, oooh,
Speaker 2: you forget that.
Speaker 3: It's like the craziest episode the Olivia the Alien.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's I think that's why we're like, oh, fun,
Speaker 2: the door, let's do it. And then it was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, these kids are zip tied.
Speaker 1: What's happening? A rape at the foster room? You know,
Speaker 1: like it's too much av Low.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes, I completely mix this one up with with the
Speaker 1: I mix this one up with the guy who what's the.
Speaker 2: Thing about the snow? The snow shoveling in the heart?
Speaker 2: My dad's out here shoveling snow non stop. I told
Speaker 2: them to heart attacks. That's why why people have heart attacks.
Speaker 2: Be careful, all right, let me talk snow. Be careful,
Speaker 2: don't be a hero.
Speaker 3: But he's so cute. Yeah, I get this episode mixed
Speaker 3: up with Scavenger.
Speaker 1: He got the snow, get it? Okay, they're sending me
Speaker 1: more photo. I just want them to be cares.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if the look your.
Speaker 1: Dad lives to just show how physically strong he is.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Now they're showing me the icicles. Oh wow, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's also icy their eighty seven. He can't see out
Speaker 2: of one eye, Like, you can't have him be out
Speaker 2: there shoveling.
Speaker 3: Get out.
Speaker 2: My nephew should do it because he's had heart problem.
Speaker 2: And I keep thinking, but I don't want to scare that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. Yeah, oh, it's not
Speaker 2: like you'll listen to me. He keeps working at the pool.
Speaker 2: He has respect for none of us, That's.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he's like, I can still lifeguard, I
Speaker 1: can still shovel.
Speaker 3: Did you see the Instagram video?
Speaker 2: It's like a dad welcoming a new boyfriend, like meeting
Speaker 2: a new boyfriend and him going, my daughter, they she
Speaker 2: does not respect men.
Speaker 1: Now I'm telling you what you're getting into, and like
Speaker 1: it's a really it's a funny, and keep that is funny.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 2: But also, but then I was wondering if like Benson
Speaker 2: stays mad at him at Stabler and the next episode
Speaker 2: is like the cocaine baby formula, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if they were fighting then like, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Baby thing, and that one always seemed to just get
Speaker 1: over shit real quick. Yeah, like the next one is
Speaker 1: that one, and then Rooftop and like, yeah, they are working,
Speaker 1: but I did like in this one, she's like, go
Speaker 1: fucking see your family, you dead beat dad.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I always get this episode mixed up with Scavenger,
Speaker 1: which is the one with the guy who's leaving them
Speaker 1: all the little the little clues, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that a violi or whatever is part of that, but
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 3: It's just the door. It's the one clue. And then
Speaker 3: the box with the.
Speaker 1: Body, Like that guy in the Scavenger does leave like
Speaker 1: deliveries and stuff, but it's not the same. So freaky,
Speaker 1: but I kind of like those they remind me of,
Speaker 1: Like these episodes remind me.
Speaker 2: Of what Erica Christian, Oh, that's oh Scavenger.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, wait, am I did I say the wrong one?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You said the right one, but maybe not No the
Speaker 2: box with the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Stavenger is that one the one I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of snature signature. It's an honest mistake. Honestly, those words
Speaker 1: are basically the same.
Speaker 2: But I do get really like I get how like
Speaker 2: really smart people feel and do end up kind of
Speaker 2: being snobby or like annoying. Because anytime I can like
Speaker 2: name an episode or something SVU off the top of
Speaker 2: my head in an insane way and impress people makes
Speaker 2: me feel good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When people give you that look like wow, that's crazy
Speaker 1: that you knew that, You're like, well, I feel so
Speaker 1: proud I do.
Speaker 3: It means I'm finally retaining information.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like after years, it's like so hard
Speaker 1: to retain facts. Yeah. But yeah, good ap, good fun,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year. Yeah, guys, Happy New Year. Everybody have
Speaker 1: a great I hope you guys all have a great
Speaker 1: night tomorrow night. Or you stay home and do fucking
Speaker 1: nothing and you're having a nice little time off.
Speaker 3: That's the new thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're all obsessed with phones, but it is
Speaker 2: like people stay and or maybe I was just young,
Speaker 2: so I could never have imagined and lots of people
Speaker 2: were staying in on New Year's and enjoying each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you want to do a big do
Speaker 1: it up New Year's with the sequins, and other times
Speaker 1: you just want to like not even watch the ball
Speaker 1: drop and just go to sleep.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We all contain multitudes. Do whatever your heart tells you
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: And if any of you before we get into sister
Speaker 2: peg Kiara, sorry, I'll try not to interrupt you. I
Speaker 2: am seeing the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas at the
Speaker 2: Sphere on.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, knock on wood, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: That's really fun because I said something at the Sphere,
Speaker 1: but nothing's really called out to me, I know, And
Speaker 1: then everyone was like, oh, go to the Wizard of
Speaker 1: Oz and I was like, yeah, maybe, but I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for somebody.
Speaker 3: I really love to do the Sphere, but not everyone's.
Speaker 2: You know, white has been the thing, but it's New
Speaker 2: Year's so I'm like, I kind of want to silver
Speaker 2: and I have silver sneakers, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: look different.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm trying to figure out what millennium.
Speaker 2: Oh, I actually reached out to my stylist, so that's humiliating,
Speaker 2: but I say, I have a Backstrip Boys concert to
Speaker 2: attend in Vegas and I need.
Speaker 1: Some help because I want amazing cool. I want to
Speaker 1: look cool if I'm going to be running around that's
Speaker 1: so fun. Wait, so you're going from wedding to Vegas,
Speaker 1: and then the next day we'll lounge and then the
Speaker 1: next day I'm seeing Jlo in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Correct, So I need a j Loo outfit and it's
Speaker 2: free tickets. I'm not supporting Jlo just saying that she
Speaker 2: doesn't tip. I would never support but I guess you know,
Speaker 2: Brian's and qNaN whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and then tour dates. But to see, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's over, but get off the year with
Speaker 3: a bang.
Speaker 1: With j Lo And yeah, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: she is going to put on a good show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a fucking fly girl. At the end of
Speaker 3: the day. What are you gonna do? Do you know? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get invited to this party that I've gone
Speaker 1: to the last year at a rich person's house that
Speaker 1: I go to.
Speaker 3: Uh, but I don't know if.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's happening this year because usually
Speaker 1: the invite comes around now.
Speaker 3: So we'll see, wow, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I I also because you know, I'm a delta psychopath
Speaker 2: taking a layover from San Francisco to Vegas.
Speaker 3: What it is? What it is?
Speaker 1: How is there no direct None of those tech bros
Speaker 1: are going on a fucking weekend in Vegas.
Speaker 3: No, And maybe I could do Southwest, but it's like,
Speaker 3: where's the layover, LA? You're crazy. I'll wave to you
Speaker 3: from the airport. Waved me from the airport.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into our what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 1: Your final what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: Of the year?
Speaker 1: Please, if you're in the mood to donate in the
Speaker 1: for the holiday spirit, you can go back to all
Speaker 1: of our old what was sister Poph?
Speaker 3: My god, you're gonna love this.
Speaker 2: I was on stage a man an eternal next sweater
Speaker 2: and would not like I kept looking at him, would
Speaker 2: not laugh at one single thing I said. And at
Speaker 2: the end and I was just like, you know, it's December,
Speaker 2: so I go and you guys, you know, why don't
Speaker 2: you help someone in need? Like I'm like, you should
Speaker 2: just help a poor person in the next few weeks,
Speaker 2: like do something nice, make someone's day better. The first
Speaker 2: time he laughed, I go, that's when you laugh, you
Speaker 2: fucking grembleing of a man. And then he got serious again,
Speaker 2: but truly did not laugh once until I said, and
Speaker 2: do something nice for someone to end it kind of corny,
Speaker 2: but he started laughing. I go, sir, that's the first laugh,
Speaker 2: and then everyone laughed at him. But it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Nothing I said made him get a gold except to help.
Speaker 2: That kind of man should be on a watch list.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do that, but we have
Speaker 2: to get a watch list.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you reacted like that because I didn't know
Speaker 3: if I was. That's creepy.
Speaker 1: You don't laugh at a whole comedy show, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but the one thing that makes you laugh is go
Speaker 1: help someone this holiday.
Speaker 3: That makes you laugh. That's crazy. That is thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I felt that way too, But I just
Speaker 2: I never know when I'm flying off. I never know
Speaker 2: if I'm in line with like how humans are or not.
Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes yes, sometimes no, Right, I like
Speaker 3: having All right, let's get back into our web with
Speaker 3: Sister peg Do.
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards
Speaker 1: an article, an organization, a doc, something to give you
Speaker 1: more information about what we talked about. And as we
Speaker 1: were just discussing, I think that you know obviously, even
Speaker 1: though this episode goes wildly in a TV sort of plot,
Speaker 1: towards TV plot points. There is something to be said
Speaker 1: for what happens to people who are wrongfully imprisoned, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to point you guys today to a Psychology
Speaker 1: Today article titled the Psychological Impact of Wrongful Imprisonment by
Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Kokuka. To quote the article, the exoneration of
Speaker 1: an innocent person is surely a positive outcome, but in
Speaker 1: the end, it is not the end of the story,
Speaker 1: as the impact of wrongful conviction persists well beyond the
Speaker 1: prison gates, and justice is not truly served until we
Speaker 1: have made every effort to write this unthinkable wrong. There
Speaker 1: are high rates of trauma, exposure and mental illness among
Speaker 1: exonnaies regardless of time served or time since release, and
Speaker 1: eggneries often struggle to find gainful employment.
Speaker 3: They don't all get a job in a lab where
Speaker 3: they can.
Speaker 1: Get poisoned chemicals that they need to carry out their
Speaker 1: insane plots. So, to quote this article again, our findings
Speaker 1: add to growing evidence that wrongly convicted individuals need and
Speaker 1: deserve holistic and long term support. So for more information
Speaker 1: about this, you can head over to Psychology today dot com.
Speaker 1: The article will be linked in our show notes and
Speaker 1: linked in a story that comes out the day that
Speaker 1: this episode is released and saved forever in our WWSPD
Speaker 1: highlights on our Instagram page, which.
Speaker 3: Is that's messed up pod. Thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: I already have the article waiting for me in my
Speaker 2: tabs so amazing. Cannot wait to read that because I
Speaker 2: would fucking want to do revenge too. Yeah, hopefully in
Speaker 2: terms of getting suing, I think I would try to.
Speaker 3: Ye you, Hontary, revenge is the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah for us. I would try to bankrupt the police department.
Speaker 2: But anyways, next week, Big One, Big One guys, Chicago
Speaker 2: Crossover Season sixteen, episode seven, and Carol, what's the episode?
Speaker 2: If they want to watch the Chicago p D version.
Speaker 1: This is part of a This is actually part of
Speaker 1: a three episode arc, although you don't really need to
Speaker 1: watch it, but if you're a super completist, Chicago Fire
Speaker 1: is where it starts. Season three, episode seven of Chicago Fire.
Speaker 1: The episode's called Nobody Touches Anything. Then we've got Chicago
Speaker 1: Crossover SVU. Then after that, the Chicago p episode is
Speaker 1: called They'll have to go through Me. It's season two,
Speaker 1: episode seven. That's where the SVU episode concludes. If you
Speaker 1: want holistic full coverage of this story. Obviously, we'll tell
Speaker 1: you everything that happens either way, and happy New Year.
Speaker 3: We'll see you guys in twenty twenty six. Have a
Speaker 3: good New year.
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