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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Hello, friends, welcome back. I'm Diana and I'm Eli,

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Speaker 1: and this is ridiculous romance the future. Episode alert read

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Speaker 1: yesterday about a thruple of bald eagles yet two males

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Speaker 1: been for years, so that's coming. Don't you worry, because

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Speaker 1: I'm they're my new best friends. Wait, I haven't checked

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Speaker 1: my lotto ticket. I'm gonna do it live. This will

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Speaker 1: be the first podcast where I win the lot where

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Speaker 1: someone wins the lottery live on air. Okay, live on air. Look,

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Speaker 1: we're not live on air. By the spoiler alert, if

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Speaker 1: you're hearing this, I didn't win because we would immediately

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Speaker 1: stop recording and quit our job. Oh my god, No,

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't know, but we wouldn't be rushing. That's true.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that. I hang on a second,

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Speaker 1: here's a rerun and my tickets. Oh my god, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you win? I mean did we? First of all,

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Speaker 1: check yourself there. You almost set yourself with a problem.

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Speaker 1: I know, sixty four. I got it. That's that's it.

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Speaker 1: Just to sixty four. How much do you get for

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Speaker 1: one number? You don't get anything one number. There's lots

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Speaker 1: of number. Does anybody get one of them? Well, then

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Speaker 1: I guess we're doing this, so let's get do it. Yet.

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Speaker 1: Today comes a story of a couple who have regularly

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Speaker 1: been called the modern day Bonnie and Clyde and countless

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Speaker 1: media articles. But honestly, it's not really a great comparison. Firstly,

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Speaker 1: I think because spoiler alert, they never murdered anyone's story. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: This couple starts with Craig Pritchard, who was a former

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Speaker 1: baseball star turned bank robber in the nineteen nineties whose

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Speaker 1: heists were so well planned that he just could not

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Speaker 1: be caught. But the most precious thing he ever stole

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Speaker 1: was the heart of Nova Guthrie. She was so love

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Speaker 1: struck by this charismatic criminal that she joined him, and

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Speaker 1: together they raked in nearly a half million dollars in

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Speaker 1: the late nineties. So stick them up, let me see

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Speaker 1: those hands, and then let me see a clap them

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Speaker 1: together for today's story. In Lawless love Birds, let's go

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Speaker 1: Heyla friends. Come listen well, Elia and Diana got some

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Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, all romantic tips. It's

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Speaker 1: just about ridiculous relationships. A lover them might be any

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Speaker 1: type of person at all, and abstract cons ator a

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Speaker 1: concrete wall. But if there's a story, were the Second

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Speaker 1: Clans Ridiculous Romans? A production of iHeartRadio? The Heart of

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Speaker 1: Nova Guthrie sounds like like an Oprah book Club novel,

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Speaker 1: now a major motion picture, Frank, what's Reese Witherspoon's production company? No,

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Speaker 1: But I was like, whoever made Where the Crawdads Sing?

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Speaker 1: I feel like they also make the Heart of Not Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to her. Craig Pritchart was born in nineteen

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Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty three, after an amazing high school

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Speaker 1: season of baseball, he was signed to Arizona State University.

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Speaker 1: The guy had his whole life late out for him.

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Speaker 1: He was told, like, you're the best, You're the best

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Speaker 1: star Craig Pritchart, and so he was sure that he

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Speaker 1: He went ahead and got engaged to his high school sweetheart,

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Speaker 1: the homecoming queen, and head cheerleader Lori Pulzado. So these

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Speaker 1: guys just you're cliche, perfect, totally high school couple, handsome, jock,

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Speaker 1: track for stardom. But during his first year at Arizona State,

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Speaker 1: was Barry Bonds. Oh man, yea, well, listen. Barry Bonds was,

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Speaker 1: of course an incredible athlete. We all know that name

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Speaker 1: But Barry played baseball on the varsity team starting his

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Speaker 1: mount make it. Laurie, his wife, soon learned that not

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Speaker 1: Lorie was working full time as a bank teller and

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Speaker 1: Craig had fled to Hawaii after robbing the banks, but

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Speaker 1: by one of the bank tellers that he robbed. Well,

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Speaker 1: And they divorced that same year. It was nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: and while in prison, you can imagine that he really

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Speaker 1: had a lot of time to think about what he'd done,

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Speaker 1: can imagine that all you want, But that's, of course

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Speaker 1: not actually what Craig did. Instead, as FBI agent Edward

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Speaker 1: Hall told Unsolved Mysteries quote, he met other people that

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Speaker 1: had robbed banks in jail and they exchanged thoughts, ideas,

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Speaker 1: ways to perfect robbing a bank better next time. Oh damn,

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Speaker 1: given each other some looke lessons. Burglary basics. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: burglary basics. One oh one, some some heist hints. White

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Speaker 1: color work yeah, white color. Crime workshop. The crime crime classes,

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Speaker 1: Crime classes, Crime College, Crime College. Welcome to crime College.

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Speaker 1: It's a crime community college. Okay, we're a community here. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: This seems like a big problem with the jail system.

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Speaker 1: It's like sending everyone to crime college, right where you

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Speaker 1: learn from each other. We have I think we have

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Speaker 1: like you send them to jail and they learn how

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Speaker 1: to do it better. Instead of learning how to they

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Speaker 1: like meet connections that help them like make do more

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Speaker 1: crimes later. So how'd you get caught. Well, I did

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Speaker 1: and also it's like a big conference. Sure, it's basically

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Speaker 1: gonna make it de Larry's two thirty panel on jewel thievery.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm going to be at the Art Heist workshop.

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Speaker 1: Oh I want to. Let's exchange notes afterwards. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: So he's learning some burglary basics in prison. When Craig

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Speaker 1: had nothing. His wife had left him, he had no job.

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Speaker 1: Now he did have something, which was a prison record,

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Speaker 1: nothing useful, so he was kind of like, oh, what

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Speaker 1: time he lost as a result of robbing banks, he

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Speaker 1: decided to rob banks really doubling down here. Oh man. Now.

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Speaker 1: One time, when visiting with his kids, he told his

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Speaker 1: ex wife's new husband John that robbery was his drug

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Speaker 1: relating the feeling that he got before a heist to

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Speaker 1: the minutes before a big baseball game. Oh okay, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: of that sweet, sweet drug, because on August thirteenth, nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, according to the East Valley Tribune, Craig robbed

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Speaker 1: Norwest Banks in Scottsdale of thirty two thousand dollars, which

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Speaker 1: today is actually worth let's see here because calculator almost

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars, almost double today. His ex wife, Laurie,

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Speaker 1: worked as a teller at a Norwest Bank in the

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Speaker 1: think it was a coincidence that he chose Norwest to rob.

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Speaker 1: in the same car I showed up with. You know.

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00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: Another guy's like, you know what, they always get me.

423
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: They put a little electronic tracking device in the bag there.

424
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: That's right. If I just thought to soak it in

425
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: some water. And Craig's like, okay, taking notes, taking notes? Yes, man,

426
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: this crime conference is great. I'm learning so much. It's

427
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: really about the community. They should charge me. Oh wait,

428
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: they do. They did charge me right here with crime now.

429
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: Craig was as adept at hiding from the law as

430
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: he was at breaking it. He and Nova used fake

431
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: names and fake ideas. They charmed locals. They never acted suspiciously.

432
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: In between robberies, they took luxurious trips. They would go

433
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: skiing in the mountains or fly to the tropics to

434
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: go snorkel and surf. They blew their money quickly. Craig

435
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: loved expensive clothes, fancy watches, and top shelf booze, so

436
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: they kept kind of a permanent vacation, going Robin Banks,

437
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: spending cash, and a crazy cycle of luxury and larceny.

438
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, I know, I mean, sounds pretty great.

439
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: American dream hostess crime doesn't pay it sound sounds like

440
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: it's paying really well. I mean, isn't that. The problem

441
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: is that, like we tried saying that and then it

442
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: turned out to be alive. Now, by the late nineties,

443
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: they had stolen and estimated half million dollars, and they

444
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: had been featured multiple times on America's Most Wanted, so

445
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: people were starting to recognize them wrong kind of fame. Yeah,

446
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: and tips started flowing into the FBI, and they came

447
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: close to being caught a few times, but they always

448
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: stayed a few steps ahead. Then, after two years of criming,

449
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: everything changed. Nova really wanted to visit her family back

450
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: in Phoenix. She and Craig had been fighting, and she

451
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: insisted that she'd be able to see them again, despite

452
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: the risks, Because, of course, again America's Most Wanted Unsolved Mysteries,

453
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: their faces were out there. At the time. Nova didn't

454
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: realize though, that only Craig was technically a wanted fugitive.

455
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: The FBI had no evidence licking her to any crime.

456
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: But they decided that they were going to take the

457
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: risk and stop in and see her parents and siblings,

458
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: and of course they were thrilled to see Nova, but

459
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: they resented Craig for what he'd gotten her into. So

460
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: her brother confronted Craig in the driveway while Nova was inside,

461
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: and he told him, hey, buddy, you're gonna get the

462
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: hell out of here. You're done with my sister. You know,

463
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an hour head start or whatever.

464
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: He just told him to go. It's really funny. Actually,

465
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: in the Unsolved Mysteries episode, I watched the reenactment, they

466
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: got this pretty boy playing the brother and he says,

467
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: he says, you're gonna get out of here. You're gonna

468
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: get in your fancy little car and you're gonna go.

469
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: J I thought was such a good like improv line,

470
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: you get me car, fancy little are fancy little car.

471
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: So Craig left, so they knew they were stealing all

472
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: this stuff, but they didn't turn them in. No, they

473
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: were just like, you know, I think they really just

474
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: wanted Nova back, and they were they're very religious, so

475
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: they're probably like, you know, God's plan whatever he'll he'll

476
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: he'll get his right. But I think they wanted Nova back,

477
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: and maybe if they turned him in a Nova could

478
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: have gotten caught if the police came right there, because

479
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: they would also know Nova was back, and b Nova

480
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: would probably resent them, and they're like, we don't want

481
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: to push her away when she just got back. I

482
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: guess I can see that. Yeah, that's my speculation, station.

483
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know exactly well. Nova learned that Craig

484
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: had split and she was a little uncertain about what

485
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: to do next without him, and she spoke with her sister,

486
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: who convinced her to at least talk with a religious leader,

487
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: the police chaplain of the Colorado State Police, William Faye,

488
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: and he agreed to speak with her confidential. He told

489
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries quote, I think deep in her heart she

490
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be forgiven, but she didn't know how to

491
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: go about it. Good chaplain voice, Thank you, I thought so.

492
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I only want to get some weight.

493
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah it now. Nova told him she thought she was

494
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: in trouble. He read scripture to her and asked her, quote,

495
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: what do you think it is now that God would

496
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: want you to do? And Nova said quote turn myself in.

497
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Its yeah, but it's not the right turn myself in.

498
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: That's probably more like it. So Faye took her to

499
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: the police station and they agreed to speak with the FBI.

500
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: So was this the end of the line for these

501
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: criminal cohorts? We will find out right after this break

502
00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Welcome back Crime Conference goers. Don't miss don't miss dinner

503
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: tonight at the Commissary seven pm. We'll be having a

504
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: mystery meat flavorless mashed mush and dry beans. Stay out

505
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: of jail kids, the food is ter and good luck

506
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: at and a vegetarian option. I'll tell you that for

507
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: my twelve hours stint, your hard time, hard time, Kenny

508
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: was hard, and they were apologized to me. I wasn't

509
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be there so much. I still want to

510
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: pay money. God, what a racket. Our prison systems a racket. Anyway,

511
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: So Nova sat with the FBI for a four hour

512
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: interview and she laid everything out. She told them about

513
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: all the robberies and how they were committed, all the

514
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: details about everything, and they're probably like, he did what,

515
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a bucket of water. That's brilliant. Why

516
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: didn't we think of that? From now on, we're putting

517
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: all our tracking devices in little plastic baggies. Well, FBI

518
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: agent Jane Munroe told Unsolved Mysteries that they didn't arrest

519
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: Nova at that time because, quote, they hadn't done any

520
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: investigation to corroborate her story, and they didn't have enough

521
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: probable cause to get an authorized warrant. Plus they kind

522
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: of hope that she would just help them track down Craig.

523
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: So they were very much like, we're here to help

524
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: where you know, you're not going to get any trouble.

525
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: Just give us the info and we'll get this all

526
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: sorted out. I mean, he was bad news, but Nova

527
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: seemed to be just, you know, some young girl who

528
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: got charmed and swept up into this whole thing. Her

529
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: friend Dan Knos said that Nova quote would have to

530
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: picture herself as a Robin Hood, not a Bonnie and Clyde.

531
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: She was always the underdog the fancy resorts. That doesn't

532
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: fit her at all. That's a place to hide. Knowing her,

533
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: she'd be more likely to hide out under bridges with

534
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: the bums. So I wonder if it was Novah's idea

535
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: to give the car to that cocktail waitress. Oh maybe

536
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: so Yeah, she's got a bit of charity in her. Yeah,

537
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: let's do some good with all this. But it seems

538
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: like the fancy resorts do suit her pretty well. Yeah,

539
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: well maybe even it might have been all Craig's I suppose,

540
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, plan to do that, and she's just like, sure,

541
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean sounds good. You want to go to snorkeling

542
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: the tropics. I mean it. You know, I'm not going

543
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: to not have fun doing that. Sure, sure, sure, But

544
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: maybe she was like, but I'm glad that we're supporting

545
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: all these workers, the local business, the local business. We

546
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: have to eat local when we're there. Yeah. But after

547
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: her sudden and surprising cooperation with the FBI, Nova made

548
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: another unexpected move. She contacted Craig, met with him, and

549
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: together they disappeared again. Oh. Psychologist Frank Fay from Temple

550
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: University said, quote, she had second thoughts about going with Craig,

551
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: stepped back from the brink, then realized it's boring back here.

552
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the brink. I'm so true. Let

553
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: me get back to the break. So true, he said.

554
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: The thrill of the lifestyle was just too enticing. He added, quote,

555
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: my guess is that after these robberies. It's into bed.

556
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: It's a thrill, it's exciting. You just want to keep

557
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: the thrill going. Yeah, Jay, they would like, go do

558
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: it afterwards. Yeah, it's like sexual. Yeah, so full of energy.

559
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, sure, Like God, you're so hot. Yeah. When

560
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: you ran in there and cocked a gun and had

561
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: purteller space, right, I was like, Wow, what an underdog baby.

562
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: When you got in the radio and we're like I

563
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone say two eleven yet, Oh, I was

564
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: just like, man, that's the girl from me. Well, after

565
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Nova disappeared, the FBI was fully on this case. They

566
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: poured over her interview with all four hours of footage,

567
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: and they learned that they almost always stayed at a

568
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: Super eight motel in between robberies, so the detective sent

569
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: their photo to every Super eight in the country. They

570
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: sent swarms of FBI agents to Craig's sons baseball games,

571
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: expecting maybe he'll show up for the championship or something.

572
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: But Craig never showed his son's like I look for

573
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: him every time. Be on the lookout for dad of

574
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: the Year now, right, But Barry Bonds comes to my

575
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: if only Laurie Polzato had married Barry Bonds. Afterwards, He's

576
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: probably thought the same thing. Will that fall. Nineteen ninety nine,

577
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Craig and Nova allegedly robbed a bank in Spokane, Washington,

578
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: before leaving the country. Witnesses saw them at a hockey

579
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: game in Nova, Scotia, and Canada before they vanished without

580
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: being seen again for years. Another episode of Unsolved Mysteries

581
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: came out about them, as well as America's Most Wanted,

582
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: but Craig and Nova were long gone. First, they went

583
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: to Belize, and they spent about eight months snorkeling and

584
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: fishing on the paradise island of Amber Green, k And

585
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I did look up pictures and I'm ready, when you

586
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: are right, go rob a bank for this. I've considered it,

587
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, It's like I want to go that badly,

588
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: but I could never pull it off. I don't have

589
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: the stamina. Clearly, I couldn't spend eight hours at the

590
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: gym watching a bank. Obviously me neither. I would definitely

591
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: like my I would be like thinking other things and

592
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: completely like I'd be like, oh, I forgot I was

593
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: even looking at it the bank. I've been watching the

594
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Wendy's the sign Spinner out there is just so distracting

595
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: dreaming about those French prize. Well anyway, their money was

596
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: running thin, and Nova would take work at local restaurants

597
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: while Craig played around in day trading, which he had

598
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: some talent for, and they kept moving, going on to

599
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: other countries like England in Greece, but after the September

600
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: eleventh attacks in two thousand and one, they knew that

601
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: security would be way too high to return to the

602
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: United States again, so they kept moving and in two

603
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: thousand and three they ended up in Cape Town, South Africa,

604
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: where Nova got a job at a hot spot called

605
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the Bossanova Club under the name Andy Brown. Craig went

606
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: by Dane, and he visited the club frequently while he

607
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: spent the day's work in stocks online. But their criminal

608
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: days actually seemed to be way behind them. They blended

609
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: in they had these jobs. They drove a used Volkswagen Beetle.

610
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: Patrons and co workers said that Andy and Dane were pleasant,

611
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: lovely people who worked with professional diligence and helped out

612
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: around town. But then a South African tourist was in

613
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: the US and she saw a wanted notice and on

614
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: it was a picture of Andy the manager at the

615
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Bossanova Club. So she contacted the FBI and she said,

616
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: and why it's all the South Africans just braced themselves

617
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: for this accent that's coming. I shouldn't should I it's

618
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: the hardest accent to day, really hard. Leo in that

619
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: Blood Diamond movie. I'm like, even I don't even think

620
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: he pulled it off. No, a lot of people didn't

621
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: think that I'm channeling my Diante word. Oh yeah, um God,

622
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: can't channel them anymore. They sucks to love die word.

623
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: But that guy sucks, all right. So this So the

624
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: South African woman contacted the FBI and she was like,

625
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: she was like, she was like, hey, I know that lady.

626
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh lady, Hey, I know that lady. She's in District nine.

627
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: I love District nine. That's great movie. It's such a

628
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: good movie movie. An FBI agent, Mike Sandborn, thought that

629
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: this was a long shot. I have some club, some

630
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: club manager in South Africa, like a likely story. But

631
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: he contacted a connection that he had in South Africa

632
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: to ask what Cape Town was like, and he got

633
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: a one sentence response, quote, Cape Town is a fugitive haven.

634
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh so, tourist posters maybe I'll take a closer lug. Yeah,

635
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: cape down the Home of Crime conference twenty three. Well,

636
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: Agent Sandborn went to the Boston Nova Club's website and

637
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: just started pouring through pictures from their parties, hundreds of photos,

638
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: and he said, quote, I got to about picture three hundred,

639
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: and there she was, plain as day. Damn. Now, South

640
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: Africa has an extradition treaty with the US, so local

641
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: police helped the FBI stake out the club. They were

642
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: pretty sure that Andy, this American girl with tattoos that

643
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: matched Nova's, was the girl they were looking for. But

644
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't until Craig walked in and kissed her that

645
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: they knew for sure it was them. Oh kiss of death.

646
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: Kiss of death, right the Judas kiss, except it also

647
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: got him arrested. Didn't even know he was doing it. Now.

648
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Four nights later, in their cheap ocean side apartment, police

649
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: arrested them without incident. There was a pile of fake

650
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: passports in the apartment, but no weapons are cash and

651
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: agents said quote. They were living near the poverty level,

652
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: and the owner of the club, Karapidis, had lent them

653
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: money a few times, and he was shocked when he

654
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: learned the truth about them. He said Nova had access

655
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: to all the club's bank codes and accounts and said, quote,

656
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: they could have taken close to a half million dollars.

657
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: It seems obvious to me that they came here to change. Yeah,

658
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean it really does seem like that she was

659
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: running their books. I guess so. I mean, would you

660
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: would you steal from the the place you worked? Well,

661
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I mean, I guess not until you

662
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: were ready to move on. Well, that's like, yeah, that's

663
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, first of all, it's not like, oh, well,

664
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: you're absolved of your crimes because you stopped doing them, obviously,

665
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: But it does seem like they didn't want to do

666
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: it anymore. I mean, they'd been there for years. They

667
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: led a pretty low key lifestyle. I think that they

668
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: were just looking for a place to live on the

669
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: beach and snorkel and kind of realized. I think they

670
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: sort of found what they wanted. They got enough of

671
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: that thrill, yeah, and they were like, all right, well

672
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: what were we getting out of it? Once the adrenaline

673
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: wore off? You know, we were chilling beach bums. They

674
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: were just you know, beach bums. Was hundreds of thousands

675
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: of dollars, and now they were like, well, let's let's

676
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: try it with just some easy jobs. Straight. Yeah. I

677
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: think they took some pride in their work and made

678
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: a lot of friends do again. The community loved them right,

679
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: so I could see them being like, let's just stay here,

680
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: let's quit running, you know. Craig said that too, He said,

681
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, we were we were done, We were relaxed,

682
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: we were trying to blend in. We were tired of running,

683
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: and we kind of stopped looking over our shoulders, which

684
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: is why I think Nova's picture ended up online and

685
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: that kiss they shared was likely their last. After extradition,

686
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Nova got sent to Denver for arrangements and Craig went

687
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: to Phoenix, and in May of two thousand and three,

688
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: Nova Guthrie pleaded guilty to three counts of robbery and

689
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: agreed to testify against Craig Pritchard. As part of her

690
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: plea deal, she faced up to twenty years in prison,

691
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: but she was sentenced in September of that year to

692
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: ten years plus two hundred and thirty one thousand dollars

693
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: in restitution. Craig was a suspect in about twelve bank

694
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: robberies in total, but under his plea deal, he was

695
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: charged and pled guilty to only three. He faced up

696
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: to eighty years in prison, but he was sentenced to

697
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: twenty two years, with over two hundred thousand dollars in

698
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: restitution and a million dollars in fines. Oh yeah yeah.

699
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: His court appointed lawyer, Patricia Getri, said her office was

700
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: flooded with calls from national news outlets, TV shows, date Line, Access, Hollywood,

701
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: and more, including Hollywood producers seeking movie rights, but she

702
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: said she was not willing to be his entertainment agents,

703
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: and she also believed that if it weren't for the

704
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: romantic connection between him and Nova, nobody would have even

705
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: noticed this story. It would have just been some two

706
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: bit bank robbers. We sure wouldn't be telling it. That's true. Oh.

707
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: When asked what Craig thought of the media attention, according

708
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: to the East Valley Tribune, Getra replied, quote, she didn't

709
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: care what he thought. She does not seem fond if

710
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: this guy is her client. Listen, the guy stole. I'm

711
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: just trying to do my job and get him off

712
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 1: my client list. I'm a court appointed lawyer. I ain't

713
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: trying to take up. I love that too, that she's like.

714
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: I could see her screaming in the phone, like, listen,

715
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: he's just a bank robber. If it weren't for his girlfriend,

716
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: if they weren't attractive, if they weren't all these things,

717
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: you would not care. So get off my case. I'm

718
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: trying to get off this case. I'm trying to get

719
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: off this case. Are you get up by the Tribune

720
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: also says that if Craig does see any financial gains

721
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: from the media attention, like selling his rights to a movie, quote,

722
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: the courts are likely to mandate the money be used

723
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: for restitution. Right their friends. A nightclub owner, Carapetas, said

724
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: that they should be considered for parole because quote, they're

725
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: not the same people they were, and they never hurt

726
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: anybody but Max. Alexander of Reader's Digest cites Craig's first wife,

727
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: Lori Pulzato, who used to be a bank teller but

728
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: quit herself after being robbed at gunpoint in a totally

729
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: separate incident. She said, quote, the mental durest during robbery

730
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: is extreme. What flashes through your mind is your kids,

731
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: and you're just praying, please don't kill me. And she

732
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: says their kids together are victims as well. They were

733
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: stigmatized in school and in sports because of their biological

734
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: fathers infamy. You know, So it wasn't you know, it

735
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: wasn't long before kids realized who they were, right, and

736
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: now they're getting teased and her ass and probably judged,

737
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: I imagine unfairly. So she's feeling like they did hurt

738
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: people even though they did not. Yeah, and I really

739
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: see that too. And that's the hard part of being like, Hey,

740
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: this lifestyle ain't so bad. Nobody gets hurt. They got

741
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: all this money, they're vacationing, they're snorkeling, they're going with skiing.

742
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: But people do get hurt. I mean, this is a terrifying,

743
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: traumatizing experience. You're in a criminal situation where you don't

744
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: know if your life is in danger. That that doesn't

745
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: go away. Yeah, And I guess at least with Laurie,

746
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: her career ended, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So it's like

747
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: he was the Barry Bonds for a teller, coming in,

748
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: ruining their future, messing up their career. Oh, Craig, you've

749
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: become the thing you hate him becomes for bank tellers

750
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: across the West. Kapetus also says that he spoke to

751
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: Craig in prison, who told him that he feels responsible

752
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: for what he did to Nova. That quote, he feels

753
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: he's the one who got her into trouble. But Alexander

754
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: reports that Nova's own family does not hold that same

755
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: sympathy for her. Her mom said, quote, had she served

756
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: the Lord and not straight from what she knew, this

757
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: would not have happened. And her brother, who introduced Nova

758
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: to Craig, said, quote, we all follow a path, don't we.

759
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: He had a life to lead, and she had a

760
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: choice to follow. And I mean, I kind of agree

761
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: with that she should have gotten in her fancy little cart.

762
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I do agree with that we do make choices,

763
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: but I also would also attribute possibly I don't know them.

764
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: Her mother is supposed to be a lovely person who

765
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: like cares for the elderly in town and stuff like that,

766
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: but also like you know, they had very strict rules

767
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: and upbringing, and like you know, it's one out of

768
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: eight is statistically going to act out. No, statistically just

769
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: saying people make their own choices and they the law,

770
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: but we also need to look at, you know, where

771
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: they came from. And what kind of environment they were

772
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 1: in and that kind of thing too. I'm not saying

773
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: there's fault there, but maybe look inward too, and don't

774
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: just brush it off as like, well, that's your problem

775
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: child I raised. No, I get that. I just I

776
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: do hate it as an excuse for not taking accountability

777
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: like you have. You know, Nova had a lot of

778
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: agency in this story to make her decisions, is absolutely so.

779
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like, partly you want to be

780
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: like I do think that there's some extenuating circumstances and

781
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: this guy's very charming, and you can get caught up

782
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but you have to still own

783
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: the fact that, Like, but I am a unique individual

784
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: and I can make my own choices, and I had

785
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: my own I had a time where I got to

786
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: say yes or no, right and I made my decision,

787
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: and know what I mean, aware of the consequences, who

788
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: could be hurt and all this stuff and whatever you

789
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: did to justify it to yourself. I think it's clear

790
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: that Nova's choices aren't Craig's responsibility, right, but maybe her

791
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: family could be a little more sympathetic since I think

792
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: they're partly their responsibility a little bit, or at least

793
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: they're involved in those choices. Yeah. Well, Nova has served

794
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: her time, she has since been released, and from what

795
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: we could find, she appears to be teaching yoga at

796
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: an upscale resort in Costa Rica. Well, okay, I find

797
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: this website and her Nova Guthrie, teach us here and

798
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this picture. They've got her head shot

799
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: and her old pictures and I'm like, yeah, that's her.

800
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: But they surprisingly don't mention in her bio on the

801
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: website her criminal past. It doesn't come up. And personally

802
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: I say that we I'll just leave Nova alone and

803
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: let her get on with her life. Yeah, but Craig

804
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: is due out of prison in twenty twenty five, and

805
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: he'll have three years of monitored parole after that. Now,

806
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: whether they meet up again, that's anyone's guests. But Karapede

807
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: said both of them immediately asked about the other when

808
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: he visited them in jail. He had found an email

809
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: that Craig wrote to Nova only a few hours before

810
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: their arrest, where Craig said, quote, thank you princess for

811
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: always taking care of me. I don't know what I'd

812
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: do without you. La Times writes that when asked back

813
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three before they went to jail

814
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: if they would have any future contact, Craig said, in

815
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: his interview quote, that would be up to Nova. I

816
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: hope so, And in her interview, Nova told them quote,

817
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time. Okay. So they're still

818
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: in love and wanting to be together they thought they

819
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: would be in two thousand and three. Yeah, it's hard

820
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, what twenty two years later, will

821
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: they meant back up again? Has Nova moved on and

822
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: reconsidered like what Craig put her through and the life

823
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: he brought her into and the choices he made, or

824
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: is she like, you know what, forget all about we'd

825
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: found a life together outside of crime, right, and we

826
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: transcended it and we still belong together. Who knows? I

827
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: want to know part of me. It's tough with this.

828
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: This is one of those stories where I'm like, man,

829
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: this Craig sucks. He was so awful to his first wife. Yeah,

830
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: and obviously like terrorized quite a few people who have

831
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: lasting trauma, and he definitely deserved to go to jail

832
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: and get find a ton of money. But dang it,

833
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: if the love lover and me doesn't just want those

834
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: kids to get back together and live happily of her

835
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: hose crazy kids, they learned their lesson. I mean, you hope,

836
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: you hope, you hope I and I do believe that.

837
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: You know, for all the many near infinite problems that

838
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: we have in our court and prison system, I do

839
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: generally think that if someone gets sentenced and they serve

840
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: that sentence, and then they can keep their ship together

841
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: when they get out, you know, all right, go on life.

842
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't have to be your friend, no, but you know,

843
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go protest outside your house and

844
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: throw mud at your windows or anything like that either, right,

845
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: especially for non violent crimes or something like this. Or again,

846
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, as we say, there's some violent elements, yeah,

847
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: because people are getting traumatized from the gun in their

848
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: face and screaming at them and all that. But he

849
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: actually never like did physical damage or took a life

850
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: or anything. So yeah, I would be like, well, you

851
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: did your time. You know, you paid your debt to society.

852
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: I guess you're good now, right, And the other side

853
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: of it too, of course, that is just a problem

854
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: I can't solve. Is that what level of retribution. Can

855
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: we do upon this person that brings peace back to

856
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: their victims? You know? And I don't think there is

857
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: a level. I don't know. I don't like it. I

858
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: don't like having to worry about it. That's why I

859
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: elect other people to deal with those problems. Well. And

860
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: it's probably like if you were one of those tellers, right,

861
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: and someone asked you, well, what do you want? Yeah,

862
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean likely your answer is going to be I

863
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: don't want them to do it anymore. I just don't

864
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: want anyone else to go through what I went through.

865
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: I think you know what I mean. Yeah, that's the

866
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: rise above it all the emotion answer. Sure, sure, I

867
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: mean you know, of course some people are like I

868
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: wish I could kick them off in the nuts or something.

869
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: That's what they should let you do. Just let you

870
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: kick him in the nut the nuts. Do you feel better?

871
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: I do? Actually, traumada, I faced my traumatizer. I punished

872
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: him in some way. No, but I just, uh so,

873
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: I feel like if if they really are seriously like

874
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: we're done with crime, we were trying to lead a

875
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: normal straight life in South Africa, and we would be

876
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: yoga instructors and day traders in Costa Rica or whatever. Um,

877
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the best you can hope for,

878
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: right right, And then of course the upcoming book The

879
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: Heart of Novah Guthrie, The Heart of Nova Guthrie, which

880
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: Rhese Witherspoon is adapting. Well, stay tuned for I think

881
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: we're up to an eighteen picture deal with HBO right now,

882
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: I think so, right, several seasons television, so this will

883
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: definitely be one of them. I kind of want to

884
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: put together a crime con. Oh man, we got to

885
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: call our friends over a ridiculous crime. Now, yes, they

886
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: should definitely be a part and this could be a

887
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: really cool sting operation and would then make its own

888
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: great movie because it's us coming over with a crime con.

889
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: All the criminals come my best practices ed arrected. So

890
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: you're a narc. I'm a nice what is? But only

891
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: for like bad criminals? Only the bad one, only the

892
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: bad ones? All right? Well, if you've ever done anything wrong,

893
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: don't trust Diana. Don't trust me. I'm over here. Like

894
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: why didn't her parents turn her in? Damn? Yeah? Wow,

895
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: you really are? But I do think I do you

896
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: not get in trouble for that? Like if someone if

897
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: you know someone's committing crimes, like, yeah, the only thing

898
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: she wasn't wanted oh right at the time. So yeah,

899
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: so she was doing stuff. I don't think that they

900
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: necessarily knew she was doing stuff. Again, there was no

901
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: evidence saying Noah ever committed a crime. All they knew

902
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: was that she was with him and he was committing crimes.

903
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I see. Okay, so they would just like, get away

904
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: from your criminals. They really just wanted her away from him,

905
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: come back to the light, let's start over. You're safe

906
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: here with us, I see. Just get away from that loser. Yeah.

907
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: Well this was a crazy story about a very loving

908
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: criminal couple. Yeah yeah, you know again weird part of

909
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: me is rooting for him, but also like this guy sucks,

910
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: and also I want to live a life where I'm

911
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: just like get large amounts of cash and then blow

912
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: it in the tropics and then get more cash. I know,

913
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: you can see the attraction. What's the non crime version

914
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: of that podcasting? Right? I think it's having a job

915
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: traveling podcast show, a traveling podcast. We just make a

916
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: bunch of money and then spend a bunch of money.

917
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: That's all I need. I don't need a home. Oh well,

918
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean not, I need somewhere to live, but just

919
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: temporarily while I'm in until the next place. Yeah, all right,

920
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 1: it's like a nomad living that nomad life. Yes, so

921
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: email us and tell us how much money you would

922
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Speaker 1: donate to our travel show, Nomad Life, Our Nomad Life

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Speaker 1: Ever ridic Romance at gmail dot com right or slide

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Speaker 1: into the DMS on Instagram. I'm at Dynamite Boom and

925
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Speaker 1: I'm at Oh great, it's Eli and the show is

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Speaker 1: at ridic Romance. It's right. Thank you so much for

927
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Speaker 1: tuning in today and spending your time with us. We

928
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Speaker 1: love hearing from you. Keep those five star reviews coming

929
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Speaker 1: if we love those two. Thanks for tuning in, and

930
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: we'll catch you all the next one. Love you by

931
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: so long. Friends, It's time to go. Thanks for listening

932
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Speaker 1: to our show. Tell your friends names uncles in this

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