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Speaker 1: and now your hosts David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner,
Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeoman's inside triple digits until the draft starts
Speaker 1: ninety eight days away in Las Vegas. We're just about
Speaker 1: to the weekend where players will report to Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and the Reese's Senior Bowl will be there as well
Speaker 1: David Hellman and myself. But we are going to preview
Speaker 1: that Senior Bowl today. Plenty of players, plenty to talk
Speaker 1: about as we welcome you back into the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Shoe. Kyle Yeoman's alongside Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner,
Speaker 1: and the great David Hellman. Fresh off of his national
Speaker 1: championship win. You're still feeling it as it still has
Speaker 1: it hitchy yet, Oh it's like it hit me. It
Speaker 1: hit me before we won it. That's fair And now
Speaker 1: I'm just basking in the glow of the greatest season
Speaker 1: in college football history. What was your favorite part about it,
Speaker 1: if you could even have the game, or the season,
Speaker 1: or the whole thing as a whole, just absolutely molly
Speaker 1: wopping Alabama getting that monkey off of our back and
Speaker 1: then I mean, Joe Burrow sixty touchdowns, six interceptions. It
Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head all the way around all
Speaker 1: of the stuff I loved about it. It was the
Speaker 1: best ride of my entire life. It was pretty uh.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is you were on the bandwagon
Speaker 1: from the get go, whereas a lot of people were
Speaker 1: not necessarily on the bandway. I've been on the bandwagon. YEA,
Speaker 1: been on the bandwagon. You were the driver of the
Speaker 1: long damn time coming. Man, it just felt really really good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I probably I didn't think they really had
Speaker 1: a shot at it until they beat Bama and then
Speaker 1: I was like, we might do this. This is this
Speaker 1: is happening. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, up until that point,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of question marks around that team.
Speaker 1: You still didn't really necessarily know if Joe Burrow was
Speaker 1: going to be the legendary college player that he ended
Speaker 1: up being. Joe Burrow was a two hundred to one.
Speaker 1: You know, on my favorite stat he was a two
Speaker 1: hundred to one favorite to win the Heisman before the season.
Speaker 1: You see the kid that's following him at LSU. Vegas
Speaker 1: made him a sixteen to one favorite. Kid doesn't have
Speaker 1: a chance. He's never He's played like thirty snaps in
Speaker 1: his college career. But Vegas is like, we're not getting
Speaker 1: owned like this again, We're not doing that lost, Joe Brady,
Speaker 1: that kid didn't have a chance. It's you know what,
Speaker 1: those are problems for the future, and when hey, half
Speaker 1: of half of LSU's roster is now part of this
Speaker 1: draft class, so we need to talk about that. But man,
Speaker 1: just in my darkest moments, for the rest of my life,
Speaker 1: these memories will keep me warm. Delpit, Jefferson, Queen, is
Speaker 1: it cushionberry? Is how you say it? Lloyd cushiony, cushionberry,
Speaker 1: Phillips Charles and like jeff said, Joe Brady all basically
Speaker 1: going to the NFL. Did you throw Clyde in there?
Speaker 1: I did not, actually dare I don't know if he's announced,
Speaker 1: but I would bet money that Calevan Chason is going
Speaker 1: to go pro as well. I think Clyde announced yesterday
Speaker 1: he did. I think he did. Calevan, I don't think
Speaker 1: has made a formal announcement, but he's got till tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is the deadline. I love that, underclassman. Yes, it
Speaker 1: is Friday afternoon is the deadline. I just love that. Like,
Speaker 1: this is the Draft show, so I have an excuse
Speaker 1: to be talking about this, like on a Cowboys on
Speaker 1: a Cowboys podcast, it doesn't make a lot of sense
Speaker 1: to just be gushing about LSU, but like, this is
Speaker 1: the draft seeing half of their team is in the
Speaker 1: draft now, so normally you're just beating your friends down
Speaker 1: with LSU talk, but now it's the Draft show. Now
Speaker 1: all of our listeners down with LSU talk, and y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. There were some people yesterday on the periscope
Speaker 1: when you were on the break that we're saying, Dave,
Speaker 1: please talk about LSU, And then there were other people
Speaker 1: that were saying, please don't, because I mean, aren't trying
Speaker 1: to hear it. Yeah, I hadn't watched it on social. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm done. I heard done with l Sean and RJ
Speaker 1: over at the fan were mad at me. Yeah, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: just abrasive over the top. You were mad at you obnoxious? Really, yes,
Speaker 1: you deserve afore and eighth season next year, and you
Speaker 1: know what, I'd be fine with it, like it was
Speaker 1: all worth it. I'll gladly make that trade. Like everybody
Speaker 1: can come get their licks in and it won't change
Speaker 1: anything about what happened this week. Gold Tigers, we need
Speaker 1: we need an edo drop in the middle of this show. Gods,
Speaker 1: go Tigers. I'm happy you're here, I really am. I'm
Speaker 1: really glad that you made the trip from the New
Speaker 1: Orleans all the way back. Are you about to I
Speaker 1: need that back in the break, so I'll show you
Speaker 1: that much money from Scott down the hall. No, that's
Speaker 1: not mine, so I need that back anyway. We'll see
Speaker 1: a little bit of fact about the Star. There's just
Speaker 1: a much a treasure chest and it's a really cool place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all they're all hidden in the doors down low
Speaker 1: down below. But we'll talk plenty of lsue. But one
Speaker 1: thing that we definitely want to hit. Dan Bruegler, of course,
Speaker 1: former member of the Dallas Cowboys Draft Show, released his
Speaker 1: second Mock Draft or Mock Draft two point zero. Was
Speaker 1: it an update or was it an Okay, Well, he
Speaker 1: released that earlier this week, and there were definitely some
Speaker 1: high points at least in that that mock draft that
Speaker 1: we definitely need to look at the Cowboys. Uh. It
Speaker 1: was Grant Delpit that went to the Cowboys at seventeen
Speaker 1: and then they went with and I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: have some help with this name. Is it Matta Bouque?
Speaker 1: The ten or the opened out of A and m
Speaker 1: I can open my text messages and get the pronunciation
Speaker 1: because I messed it up on the radio yesterday. Let
Speaker 1: me somebody, somebody gave me the pronunciation. I can go
Speaker 1: find it. Okay, to you in a minute. I'm hearing
Speaker 1: this name a lot, and it's obviously so early in
Speaker 1: the draft process, but that is the fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: time I have heard him linked to the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I am intrigued. Well, hey, if they're staying in
Speaker 1: a four to three and which could be happening, okay,
Speaker 1: sat four three, which can happen if you look at him.
Speaker 1: He's six three three h three, but he plays some
Speaker 1: one and plays some three techniques, so he can play
Speaker 1: both defensive tackle positions for you, whatever you need. I
Speaker 1: would say that he's a better run player than a
Speaker 1: pass player right now, just kind of a masher in
Speaker 1: there in the middle. But we've been asking them to
Speaker 1: draft that player for years and I think he's a
Speaker 1: good player. You know, I have a third round grade
Speaker 1: on him. But you know, the Cowboys kind of picking
Speaker 1: the middle around two. There's some other guys I like,
Speaker 1: uh in that in that area. But look, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of fight about defensive. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of defense better than Neville Gallimore. Yeah, he's better now,
Speaker 1: I mean it depends what you want. I think rush
Speaker 1: pastor and he's better than him. I think Gallimore is
Speaker 1: a much better pass rusher thing than Ken which sacks
Speaker 1: are always paramount, But like this team has struggled up
Speaker 1: the middle against the run quite the last two seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what I actually like Dane's pick. I think
Speaker 1: Mattabique is. I think he's solid at both. I think
Speaker 1: he's got the athleticism you want to pass rusher on
Speaker 1: the D line, and I think he doesn't get bullied
Speaker 1: even though he's only only three hundred pounds, because you
Speaker 1: got you think you gotta be three thirty to be
Speaker 1: tough at the line of scrimmage. But I think, I
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's good. I got him as
Speaker 1: a second round guy, and I think that'd be a
Speaker 1: nice pick. Now, my grade isn't complete on Mattabek by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, but I know Gallimore specifically.
Speaker 1: If we're talking about those two guys as a second
Speaker 1: round pick, Gallimore moves laterally a lot more than Gallo
Speaker 1: than Mattabik does. It seems like at least is a
Speaker 1: heck of an athlete. He level digit tackles for loss
Speaker 1: each of the last two years. He sacks the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think, I think he is a much better athlete
Speaker 1: and penetrator than is being portrayed by you couple of haters. No,
Speaker 1: not a hater at all. Like Mettibeguy's a fine player.
Speaker 1: I like Gallamore much better. In fact, in Dane's draft,
Speaker 1: Dane had him going thirty fourth. I believe I think
Speaker 1: this week, I think Galatmore is gonna have a big week.
Speaker 1: Later on, we'll give a little Senior Bowl preview some
Speaker 1: of the players and the kind of big names to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on for next week. In Mobile. I
Speaker 1: think Gallamore, I think you're what you're saying about him, Jeff,
Speaker 1: is his anchor is a problem. Yes, he's gonna get
Speaker 1: mulled by double teams if he's asked to go play
Speaker 1: the one technique position. That's gonna a couple of times
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve this year too. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to dominate one on one pass rush drills in Mobile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think. I just think he's very hard
Speaker 1: to buck. He's so quick, and that is speaking from
Speaker 1: experience of going there like that is what steals the
Speaker 1: show Immobile. You know you're not You're not going all
Speaker 1: out in the scrimmage stuff. The game obviously is it's
Speaker 1: almost Pro Bowl like in terms of the competition, but
Speaker 1: the stuff you can see in the one on ones
Speaker 1: wide receiver dB, but even more so is the pass
Speaker 1: rushers against the offensive lineman. Another point that I saw
Speaker 1: at least during the mock draft, they had a Jennings
Speaker 1: not in the first two round Anthony Jennings out of Alabama,
Speaker 1: Obama not in the first two rounds. Does that kind
Speaker 1: of surprise you or is that where you really kind
Speaker 1: of thought he was. I have I'm pulling up my
Speaker 1: notes here kind of on the fly. Here I have Jennings.
Speaker 1: I have him. I had to have him in the
Speaker 1: second round. There have you seen other drafts having him
Speaker 1: in kind of that middle second round right around the
Speaker 1: fifties pick. He's weird because he kind of played everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, he played everywhere in Alabama, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of like you're asking a guy now, like he's gonna
Speaker 1: come in and like he's purely gonna be like a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Is he gonna play linebacker in some schemes
Speaker 1: like Jennings, There's a lot of things Jennings can do
Speaker 1: depending on what team. I think he keeps going back
Speaker 1: to me like he's a guy who could play both sides.
Speaker 1: He'd rush with his hand to the ground as well
Speaker 1: as standing up. What are we running here? And do
Speaker 1: they need to know before go to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: what they're running a four three or a three four.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys' new coaching staff is going
Speaker 1: to mobile because a lot of them aren't even officially
Speaker 1: in place yet. Mike McCarthy's still working on that. You've
Speaker 1: seen some guys in and out of the building, but
Speaker 1: there hasn't been anything in the way of official announcements
Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy is still putting his staff together, so
Speaker 1: I know, you know, the scouts in the front office
Speaker 1: will be there. I don't know how many of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys coaches, if any, are actually going to make the trip,
Speaker 1: which I'm I'm fascinated and a little bit I guess frustrated,
Speaker 1: thinking like, I don't even know what these guys are
Speaker 1: looking for yet, because we don't know what their defense
Speaker 1: is going to be. Are you prepared for a take?
Speaker 1: I have a take? You always have a take. I
Speaker 1: have a take? Is it a hot take or a
Speaker 1: coal pake? Jeff doesn't He deals in att takes. No,
Speaker 1: it just takes. Okay, I'm glad the coaches won't be there.
Speaker 1: Why I think having a new coaching staff who has
Speaker 1: earned or at least perceived to have earned, less trust
Speaker 1: with the front office with Will McClay, Let the scouts
Speaker 1: in Will McClay draft. Let them do it. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: You need like a week here in the start to
Speaker 1: figure out how to get from the cafeteria to your office. Anyway,
Speaker 1: It's so true, man, I like what you're saying. And
Speaker 1: there's too many to me, there's too many coaches that
Speaker 1: have had too much input, And none of these things
Speaker 1: do we know to be fact. But we know Rod
Speaker 1: Marnelli was a big Tristan Hill guy. We know that
Speaker 1: Rod Marnelli was a big Malie Collins guy. Taco Charlton,
Speaker 1: I think you hear different things. MALIEK. Collins was a
Speaker 1: pretty good player for being pick sixty seven. I'm not
Speaker 1: killing him. I'm just I'm just saying, I'm just linking
Speaker 1: a coach to players he's got pull in the draft. No,
Speaker 1: it absolutely felt like Rod had a humongous influence, maybe
Speaker 1: even more than you would prefer. And it just to
Speaker 1: me that seems unstable really if you have guys who
Speaker 1: are preparing for an entire year or in some cases
Speaker 1: probably multiple years of watching players and getting ready to
Speaker 1: rank them, and then you bring in coaches and their
Speaker 1: opinions start altering where guys are on a draft board.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of it. So if it's going
Speaker 1: to be left in the hands of scouts and you're
Speaker 1: defacto GM, Will McClay signed me up well, And also
Speaker 1: McCarthy in Green Bay, Ted Thompson kind of ran the show,
Speaker 1: and you wonder if McCarthy had those conversations with Stephen
Speaker 1: and Jerry before he took the job. I could see
Speaker 1: him getting involved. We're talking about offensive players. Doesn't really
Speaker 1: feel like the Cowboys are probably going to be hyper
Speaker 1: focused in on defense. You would put their first couple
Speaker 1: of premium picks except for when they draft Rugs at seventeen.
Speaker 1: But yes, other than that, I was gonna ask that
Speaker 1: question here in a minute, Randall, which real quick, Sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious. I want to get back to this.
Speaker 1: We were talking about Justina. Thank you, I'll get it.
Speaker 1: It's too six, three, three or four. You're saying he
Speaker 1: can do a little bit of everything. But I think
Speaker 1: if we're talking about defensive tackle, and that's definitely an
Speaker 1: early focal point, where do you put Tristan Hill in
Speaker 1: that situation? Because as disappointed as you might be by
Speaker 1: year one, he's still here. Yeah, I would pretend that
Speaker 1: he's not. No, and I don't mean that like, I
Speaker 1: don't mean like I'm cutting him today. I mean that
Speaker 1: I would build my team. Like if you're building your
Speaker 1: team saying, guys, we already have our starter at three technique,
Speaker 1: I would say, why what did you see from that?
Speaker 1: Like you can hope for progression and you can hope
Speaker 1: that he becomes that, but hopes a really bad strategy. Yes,
Speaker 1: So if the best player, or if you have a
Speaker 1: good player available with one of your picks that you like,
Speaker 1: that's a three technique, then Tristan Hill will get in
Speaker 1: where he fits in and the other guy's better, he'll play.
Speaker 1: And you think of Tristan Hill, I think we should
Speaker 1: all think of him as a third round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was still late in the second round. And how
Speaker 1: many times do you probably where they had him graded? Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 1: And then how many times did you go out of
Speaker 1: your way to make things comfortable for a third round
Speaker 1: pick that it just doesn't really happen in the NFL.
Speaker 1: We see third round pick sometimes get cut. That's a
Speaker 1: good point. I just think of it, and you're right,
Speaker 1: that's totally fair. Is like, you want him to develop
Speaker 1: and be capable of being your starting three technique. Probably
Speaker 1: not a good idea to bank on it, but I
Speaker 1: guess in my mind, I'm thinking, I'm thinking ahead. It
Speaker 1: could be MALIEK. Collins, it could be somebody else. You
Speaker 1: could sign a three technique free agent, have him pair
Speaker 1: with Tristan Hill at the three and then draft a one,
Speaker 1: although obviously the Cowboys don't do that very often slash
Speaker 1: ever they might. Now I'm I really I want to
Speaker 1: talk to these coaches and see what site sort of
Speaker 1: insight we can glean from them about what they would
Speaker 1: be willing to do in the draft. With them not
Speaker 1: going to the Senior Bowl. And you mentioned that, and
Speaker 1: that's not official by any means, they still could potentially
Speaker 1: be going to the Bill, but with them at the
Speaker 1: moment not going the Senior Bowl, let's just assume that
Speaker 1: does that give an advantage for these scouts to get
Speaker 1: such a headstart they've already been looking at it, like
Speaker 1: Jeff said, for even a couple of years. Or is
Speaker 1: that a disadvantage saying, hey, they're only going to have
Speaker 1: about a month to look over these guys, and the
Speaker 1: kind of reports that the scouts in the front office
Speaker 1: has been able to comply. I think it's important to
Speaker 1: remember the amount of legwork that the scouting staff does
Speaker 1: on these guys, Like the Senior Bowls a fun chance
Speaker 1: to get your measurables down right, check in on guys,
Speaker 1: get some phone numbers if you need them, and and
Speaker 1: and it it makes a difference to see guys in person.
Speaker 1: But like the Cowboys have a scout who have been
Speaker 1: who's been watching like everybody here for at least at
Speaker 1: least four months, if not way longer than that. Um So,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that it helps them
Speaker 1: that much. I think it's just a chance to cross
Speaker 1: check and their head of it. In the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys were guys who could have
Speaker 1: potentially came out last year. So like they've been you know,
Speaker 1: they've checked off, you know, they've done a lot of
Speaker 1: work on these guys. But I am fascinated by the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl because some of the positions that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to you know, maybe can't take a look at.
Speaker 1: And then just in general, we've talked about some of
Speaker 1: the storylines in the draft, quarterback and even the wide
Speaker 1: receiver class, which is maybe the best in the history
Speaker 1: of the world. Like I'm actually gonna backtrack from that
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think there's a lot of good receivers.
Speaker 1: I think when my guests would be when we compare
Speaker 1: this to twenty fourteen years from now, it's not going
Speaker 1: to be better than that. I think it'll be the
Speaker 1: best top twenty wide receivers. Yes, Like at the very
Speaker 1: tip is how many guys are you willing to bank?
Speaker 1: Are gonna be legitimate? Fourteen was disgusting? Who wasn't? Who
Speaker 1: was in fourteen? Mike Evans, O'Dell Watkins, Watkins was there?
Speaker 1: Count Hopkins? Fourteen? Let's pull it up? Yeah, I got you,
Speaker 1: I got you, buddy, because there it was silly, Sammy Watkins,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandon Cooks, Kelvin, Benjamin Marquis, Lead,
Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews, Paul Richardson starting to not be as impressive,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, there we go, Cody Latimer, Alan Robinson, Jarvis Landry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh you're not. It could definitely. I think it's deeper.
Speaker 1: I think it is deeper. I think there's ten guys
Speaker 1: in this receiver class that are gonna be good NFL players,
Speaker 1: And I think there's something for everybody. Like if you
Speaker 1: need a slot guy, you're gonna have it. If you
Speaker 1: need a big guy, just get a big slot. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of it's very funny, and I'm actually starting
Speaker 1: to kind of find a few guys in the tight
Speaker 1: end class that I like a little bit to get there.
Speaker 1: So I'm like starting to find some guys there. You
Speaker 1: found some tiny schools, didn't you Tiny schools they get
Speaker 1: a bounce house, you like the guy Absolutely silly. We
Speaker 1: mentioned it. The underclassmen deadline is tomorrow, so there's even
Speaker 1: another day for guys to figure out what they're doing.
Speaker 1: But these are just underclassmen coming out. Ceedee Lamb Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy Alabama, Henry Ruggs Alabama, T Higgins Clemson, Lavisca
Speaker 1: Chennault who was like my early favorite dude before the
Speaker 1: season even started. Jalen Raiger from TCU, Justin Jefferson l
Speaker 1: s U, kJ Hammler. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people in Cowboys Twitter that are big fans of Hay
Speaker 1: out of Penn State. Dud's a bore. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: Lynn Bowden junior, who was my pet Cat of all
Speaker 1: pet Cats quarterback running back receiver Donovan People's Jones. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not even everybody. There's nineteen underclassmen receivers coming
Speaker 1: out the Senior Bowl wide receiver group that we'll talk
Speaker 1: about here in a little bit is so stacked that
Speaker 1: you're sitting there going okay. So there were guys who
Speaker 1: got left off of the Senior Bowl, like they just
Speaker 1: didn't make the cut because they can only take a
Speaker 1: certain amount of people. Mims, Colin Johnson, Juwan Jennings. These
Speaker 1: are all Senior Bowl guys. This is the Minnesota series.
Speaker 1: Tyler Johnson, Wow, didn't make the Senior Bowl. I was
Speaker 1: all the way in Florida. I didn't know Clay Chase, Claypool,
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame receiver was going to Mobile. That's exciting,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of deep. That's good man. You
Speaker 1: know what I need to I need to get off
Speaker 1: of this Henry Rugs train because there's gonna be there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a stud there in the third round Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop style, and you won't find a safety or a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle or even maybe maybe even cornerback. Dries up
Speaker 1: a little bit the further down you go, like, that's
Speaker 1: gonna run a four flat and then somebody's gonna accidentally
Speaker 1: take him before they take Cede Lamb, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: pick Lamb at seventeen. Well, you can also see just
Speaker 1: off of Dane has been putting out there in mock
Speaker 1: drafts and everything, I mean, safety secondary is premium in
Speaker 1: this draft, it's not a very deep class. It's very
Speaker 1: top heavy, but it's not a top heavy as receivers are,
Speaker 1: but the receivers still have some depth to it. You
Speaker 1: could get a receiver not even in the third round. Dave,
Speaker 1: I would stretch it to say, fourth or fifth round,
Speaker 1: got guy that could be in there and legitimately contribute.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you, but I always have
Speaker 1: to see him well, I lean to. I mean, of
Speaker 1: course you can get lucky Dak Prescott was a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. But it's I always say, it's only I
Speaker 1: think it's only reasonable to expect like your first three
Speaker 1: picks to be starters. After that, it's kind of a crapshoot.
Speaker 1: I think. I think, yes, absolutely, you expect third round
Speaker 1: players to be starters. It's a lot I hope at
Speaker 1: the very least run pick if you're picked, if you're
Speaker 1: picked in the top one hundred in today's NFL, with
Speaker 1: how much these guys get ready for the league before
Speaker 1: they even declare, then I think it's reasonable to hope
Speaker 1: you can start. MALIEK. Collins did it, We mentioned him.
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup was a Day one starter as pick eighty one.
Speaker 1: I know if I thought, man, Cheeto, Well, Cheeto didn't
Speaker 1: start immediately, but he was hurt during his rookie training camp.
Speaker 1: But Jordan was the third under though, Yes, that poor guy.
Speaker 1: And after years and he happened too short, I guess,
Speaker 1: But after years, you go, man, if he was starting
Speaker 1: the whole time, maybe what would have happened. But then
Speaker 1: there's there's your scenarios like Chaz Green and Connor McGovern,
Speaker 1: who are third round picks. Sure, which you go, you
Speaker 1: know those are a future type picks. Yeah, but I do,
Speaker 1: I mean he's not. He wouldn't have taken Connor Williams's job.
Speaker 1: But I wonder what Connor McGovern could have been if
Speaker 1: he'd had a season this year. Yeah, that his boob bright, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he had his called a peck scientific terms, I
Speaker 1: get confused. Yeah, I just I'm not sure. Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna address quite a few of those questions that we
Speaker 1: kind of hit throughout this first segment. Twitter on the
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Speaker 1: We'll pour out our forty for those guys. Here you go. Well,
Speaker 1: we've got a slew of questions already on Twitter, throughout
Speaker 1: all the Twitter. I guess all the tweets that we
Speaker 1: threw out this morning and last on Twitter, from the Twitter,
Speaker 1: from the Twitter on the twenty and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Let's start things off with Jeffrey Sheeter. He says, I
Speaker 1: know it's early, but who are some of the pet
Speaker 1: cats for you individuals? If any I'll start pet cat?
Speaker 1: Is it a tight end from a small sit, it's not. Well,
Speaker 1: you know you can have multiple pet cats. Sure, I
Speaker 1: believe that you can. If you see a guy who's
Speaker 1: not being talked about enough and the draft orld that
Speaker 1: you can rescue and make him you're a pet cat.
Speaker 1: You can rescue that player. Mine is a Meek Robertson.
Speaker 1: He's a cornerback from Louisiana Tech. He is about five
Speaker 1: eight and a half, maybe he'll come in at five
Speaker 1: to nine. We have fingers crossed for that. Fourteen interceptions
Speaker 1: in three years, and you can see it on tape.
Speaker 1: You see his zone instincts, his ability to move, He's
Speaker 1: got good range and he can cover in man. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get big bodied by you know, the Michael Pittman's
Speaker 1: of the world, who are huge guys, like he's gonna
Speaker 1: get big bodied by those guys. But he's got a
Speaker 1: little Jordan Lewis to his game. And you see the
Speaker 1: ball finds him. The ball finds him, he will go
Speaker 1: who get involved in tackle a little bit, trying to
Speaker 1: punch the ball out. But look, we've been talking about
Speaker 1: getting turnovers for years. Fourteen interceptions in three years, and
Speaker 1: you can see him play both man and zone and
Speaker 1: look comfortable doing it. So a Meek Robertson not gonna
Speaker 1: be a Singer Bowl guy, but he is. Really he's
Speaker 1: a tiny guy. It's my pet cat earlier on Louisiana
Speaker 1: Tech cornerback. If you get a chance to watch him play,
Speaker 1: go do it because he's awesome. Tore up the conference
Speaker 1: USA for a number of years, absolutely, which you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like a yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it is. Okay, that's a good sense of compliment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like I tore up the SEC for multiple years.
Speaker 1: I mean, fine, okay, but yeah, just because you didn't
Speaker 1: play in the SEC. CO turnovers turnovers pick is impressive
Speaker 1: no matter what league you're in. Yeah's next pet Cat.
Speaker 1: I'll throw Actually you already named him Katie because your
Speaker 1: guy couldn't handle him. I'll throw up Michael Pittman. They
Speaker 1: didn't play against each other. Reference. It's like, man, I
Speaker 1: didn't catch the laptech game. But if you're telling me
Speaker 1: that that happened, I'm with you. Yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: referencing the Godzilla of wide receivers. Yeah, but the Godzilla
Speaker 1: of wide receivers doesn't move like a godzilla. Michael Pittman
Speaker 1: like gets No, there's no hype around a USC receiver
Speaker 1: who had one hundred catches almost thirteen hundred yards in
Speaker 1: double digit touchdowns. And maybe it's because it took him
Speaker 1: the full four years to sort of become that player,
Speaker 1: and he never had a stat line anything like that.
Speaker 1: He just kind of got better and better as he went,
Speaker 1: but the finished product from USC, I think Michael Pittman,
Speaker 1: for a guy who's six three six four, moves like
Speaker 1: a guy who's six one six two wow, and does
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that you really value in
Speaker 1: wide receivers, whether it's go get the ball in the air,
Speaker 1: whether it's track the ball over the shoulder, the ease
Speaker 1: of his movements. So so far are the guys I've
Speaker 1: watched because for me, pet Kat is like I didn't
Speaker 1: hear people really hyping a guy up and then I
Speaker 1: watched them one oh, which for me, that was Michael Pittman.
Speaker 1: It's funny because if USC football is good, then they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like the epicenter of college football. We saw that,
Speaker 1: you know, way back with Reggie Bush blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But they're not good. They're not good. And when you're
Speaker 1: not that great and you're stuck out on the West
Speaker 1: Coast playing games at nine, ten, eleven, twelve o'clock Central
Speaker 1: and Eastern time, you get lost in the shuffle, which
Speaker 1: is I know there were a lot of people that
Speaker 1: thought he deserved to win the bullet and a coff Award,
Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised to hear that he's graceful. Michael
Speaker 1: Pittman is a very graceful player because you lightwood. Jeff
Speaker 1: said that he doesn't move like he's you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit smaller. When you see it, you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's standing over this cornerback right now, and you think
Speaker 1: he's going to be kind of a slower than he is.
Speaker 1: His speed is going to matter. Can you go in
Speaker 1: the end of a jump ball? Oh my god? Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that's his probably his best trade, I would say,
Speaker 1: But it's also extremely reliable, as Jeff mentioned, hundred one catches.
Speaker 1: I mean, and there were times when you watch on
Speaker 1: tape where he's kind of like in the scramble drill
Speaker 1: working back to the sideline to build the quarterback out
Speaker 1: because of play had gone wrong at USC, which happened
Speaker 1: a lot this year. So, like, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: a very reliable guy, and I think he could make
Speaker 1: an impact immediately I mentioned him at the top of
Speaker 1: the show. I'll just stick with him. I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to find some corners and some safeties that
Speaker 1: I love, But right now I'm just enamored with Lynn
Speaker 1: Bowden Junior. The Kentucky everything. He's a wide receiver who
Speaker 1: had to play emergency quarterback most of this season, and
Speaker 1: nobody could do anything with him. I love his contact
Speaker 1: balance is incredible. I love the way he runs. I
Speaker 1: love the way he sheds tackles, his power. Like he
Speaker 1: doesn't really look like a receiver at all. He looks
Speaker 1: more like a running back. I think you could do
Speaker 1: a lot of really fun stuff with him like he
Speaker 1: I mean, he can do all the traditional receiver stuff,
Speaker 1: but he could play some running back for you. He
Speaker 1: could play some wildcat. He would be so much fun
Speaker 1: for anybody to have on offense. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he would be there for the Cowboys all the way
Speaker 1: at pick fifty one. Yeah, but he's a hell of
Speaker 1: a football player. Not in terms of like a comparison,
Speaker 1: but in terms of usage. I mean, the two names
Speaker 1: that come to mine are Taysom Hill, the way he's
Speaker 1: used to do everything in New Orleans. That's a point.
Speaker 1: But also I think Dane had compared him to Braxton Miller,
Speaker 1: which kind of he kind of flamed out in the league.
Speaker 1: But remember Braxton Miller's quarterback days. It's kind of see
Speaker 1: the same type of thing where you can run it
Speaker 1: to him, but he's got a little more weight on
Speaker 1: him than Braxton Miller's. Likexton Diller's flimsy dude. This dude's
Speaker 1: two kind of a bigger game. He does not look
Speaker 1: like what you would imagine a receiver to look like
Speaker 1: like he really he looks more like a running back,
Speaker 1: a smaller running back, but still he also how tall
Speaker 1: is hen't have been playing quarterback but he had no
Speaker 1: Yeah what happened and he's still like he still had
Speaker 1: like an All America caliber season playing out of position
Speaker 1: all year. He's six foot six one. Okay, it's always
Speaker 1: you know, I want to get the real measurements because
Speaker 1: colleges like to lie. Yeah, for sure, he's around there.
Speaker 1: What yeah, little bit. Only if you're if you're short,
Speaker 1: if you're actually six three, they'll let you stay six three.
Speaker 1: But if you're six foot six three, well sometimes I
Speaker 1: think that's six three is to cut off folks, it's
Speaker 1: sixty three. They're like, that's good. Yeah, yeah, but if
Speaker 1: you're right, keep you at six three, six fours. If
Speaker 1: and my pet cat or wait, no, no, go ahead, okay,
Speaker 1: well my pet cat, I tweeted about yesterday, colleague Kareem
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame. He's an edge rusher. I've heard this
Speaker 1: name in Troy, Michigan, and I hadn't really heard anything
Speaker 1: about him prior to me watching tape yesterday and I
Speaker 1: was really in press six four two sixty five. The
Speaker 1: guys lean he's a senior. I'm in I'm in love
Speaker 1: with the size in his build. You can put a
Speaker 1: hand in the ground, he can stand up on the
Speaker 1: out side as well. Uh, just his build really kind
Speaker 1: of it excites me. But also the way that he
Speaker 1: gets inside offensive tackles. I think, I think he gets
Speaker 1: underneath these guys. The one knock to him is the
Speaker 1: fact that he can't necessarily go to the outside a
Speaker 1: whole lot. I think because of that, he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be a early day three, maybe late date or I
Speaker 1: think I got it. I've got it in a round
Speaker 1: three because I do. You think he's solid? Yea, and
Speaker 1: him he can reach anyone. I mean he could go
Speaker 1: reach believable a cup of coffee at the other end
Speaker 1: of the table, stretch armstrong, and he's get really long arms.
Speaker 1: The twitch is not there though, the bend is not there.
Speaker 1: But he's any solid player. Yeah, Um and a guy
Speaker 1: who can also you know, probably move inside and red
Speaker 1: rush on third down from a defensive tackle position if needed.
Speaker 1: So I think he's a solid player. Um, but I
Speaker 1: kind of have him you know, third round grade and
Speaker 1: kind of late early round four type grad. I like
Speaker 1: him a lot, I really do, and I think his
Speaker 1: his workouts will probably decide where he's gonna be taken.
Speaker 1: But as the same time, like it's so early that
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've found that one guy that
Speaker 1: I've seen and that has really kind of at least
Speaker 1: caught my eye and been my quote unquote pet cat.
Speaker 1: But he's definitely number one on the list. Have time
Speaker 1: to make an official These are justiny. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: These are pet kittens, liminary cats. Okay. So kind of
Speaker 1: sticking with the secondary theme, of course, we talked about
Speaker 1: Dane mentioning this earlier in having the defensive tackles early.
Speaker 1: What about secondary in day two? Is there anybody's safety's
Speaker 1: corners anybody that you guys have your eyes on. This
Speaker 1: question comes from Cowboys Nation. I think my favorite safety
Speaker 1: be exactly. I think if Xavier McKinney ends up going,
Speaker 1: he's for the safety from Alabama if he ends up
Speaker 1: kind of in delpit territory. And I don't think it's
Speaker 1: crazy to think that Xavier McKinney would go as the
Speaker 1: first safety in this draft. No, no, So I think
Speaker 1: you start to go to Ashton Davis is the next
Speaker 1: guy on my list. He's from California. Like him a
Speaker 1: lot too. Yeah, he's he's really fun and I think
Speaker 1: he's six one two one. He's a little older prospect.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be twenty four. You know, it's the season
Speaker 1: gets going next year, you're gonna have a twenty four
Speaker 1: year old. But he can play free safety, comes down
Speaker 1: in the box. He shows the range to play free safety,
Speaker 1: but he's got really good speed and also you see
Speaker 1: the instincts. You can see him make plays on the ball.
Speaker 1: I think that the game against Oregon where he intercepts Herbert,
Speaker 1: he makes a play where he's basically got a good
Speaker 1: relationship with both routes and you can just see him
Speaker 1: move and dive to the middle of the field and
Speaker 1: make a play. Like Ashton Davis is a guy. The
Speaker 1: thing that you're kind of asking out of him is
Speaker 1: how physical is he going to be in the run?
Speaker 1: Is he going to be a good tackle. He'll throw
Speaker 1: his body around, but will he finish off tackles? But
Speaker 1: I got questions about delpot when it comes to saying.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a lot to like it in
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis. He can also man up in the slot
Speaker 1: when asked to do it. He can do a lot
Speaker 1: for you. I like him. I've got him in the
Speaker 1: second round. But you know he's a little bit slender,
Speaker 1: and I think that's where you kind of go, Okay,
Speaker 1: what am I asking him to do? Am I asking
Speaker 1: him to be the over the top free safety type guy?
Speaker 1: Because I think he can do that. You start asking
Speaker 1: him to come down in the box like we've asked
Speaker 1: safeties to do. All kinds of safeties to do here,
Speaker 1: whether it be Zaviorwoods or Jeff Either or whatever. You
Speaker 1: start asking him to play close to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: I start to have my concerns about him, But I
Speaker 1: like him as a free safety, and I think you
Speaker 1: know who knows the with how the depth of safety
Speaker 1: in this draft. Maybe he rises. Maybe he's late first
Speaker 1: round guy. So he's a guy would have my eyes
Speaker 1: set on at fifty one wherever the Cowboys are picking.
Speaker 1: In Ron two. Yeaham, he's a guy would like to
Speaker 1: fall to me there. But you know last year they
Speaker 1: had a pretty good safety fall to him in that
Speaker 1: territory too, and they didn't even go there. You got
Speaker 1: to do that. It's kind of come up. They had
Speaker 1: a guy in mind, they had a guy in mind.
Speaker 1: It's like the new T J. Watt Taco conversation, like
Speaker 1: it's gonna come up. Do you have a good handle
Speaker 1: on how deep the safety class is a good handled? No?
Speaker 1: Uh handle? Yes I have. And we'll talk about this
Speaker 1: in a minute when we talk about the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Here's my list of safeties in owner Ready Grant Delpitt. Okay,
Speaker 1: and my second round safety is Xavier McKinney Ashton Davis
Speaker 1: from California. Third round safeties. I have very limited film
Speaker 1: on him, so I'm putting him there now just for fun,
Speaker 1: and then we'll move him because he's gonna be at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl next week. The Small School Guy. You'll
Speaker 1: find the YouTube clips Hold on the Small School Guy,
Speaker 1: The Small hold on Kyle Dugger Lenora rhyme uh. And
Speaker 1: you're gonna have fun if you go watch his tapes,
Speaker 1: if you go watch his two pieces of film on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I have never heard of this school in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you you probably haven't heard of any of his
Speaker 1: opponents either. But you know what you look for when
Speaker 1: you have the small school guy. I want the guy
Speaker 1: to look like a dad playing against a much eight
Speaker 1: year old shirt up basketball. Sure, and he does kind
Speaker 1: of do that, okay, and then I Terrell Burgess from Utah,
Speaker 1: who you can kind of There's another small school guy
Speaker 1: too in the fourth round. He's a senior Bowl guy,
Speaker 1: Jeremy chen A's Southern Illinois. He's more of a strong
Speaker 1: safety tie. So did I hear you say I got
Speaker 1: seven guys? I got six guys in four rounds. Xavier
Speaker 1: McKinney is not a first round grade for you. He's
Speaker 1: a two for me. Okay. The only first round grade
Speaker 1: you had was delp It, right, that's right? Wow? How
Speaker 1: high of a first round grade do you have? Delp It?
Speaker 1: Just curious. I had pieced them all together like in order,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you're that way or not.
Speaker 1: I've gone full Brugler this year, where I'm gonna cheat
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna differentiate between a one and a one two.
Speaker 1: You got to do that, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, because
Speaker 1: some integrity. This is integrity integrity saying, listen, there's a
Speaker 1: difference between the guys who were ones and the guys
Speaker 1: who were one two. I'm with Jeff, and I have
Speaker 1: zero safeties as a one, both of them as a
Speaker 1: one two, because I want to differentiate between if you've
Speaker 1: got a guy like if um Ceedee Lamb is available,
Speaker 1: if Henry Ruggs is available on my board, it'll be
Speaker 1: clear they're not just all ones. Okay, but there is
Speaker 1: a differentiator here that that raises a scary scenario where
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be the it's a year after year
Speaker 1: thing where okay, let's just say Xavier McKinney and Grant
Speaker 1: Delpit being the two obvious first round safeties in most
Speaker 1: people's eyes at least, well, I guess he's a one
Speaker 1: two now regardless. But it's a classic case of like,
Speaker 1: definitely there at seventeen, probably there at seventeen one percent
Speaker 1: gone as hell by pick fifty one. Then you have
Speaker 1: to add a one two category on your board, and
Speaker 1: it's just easier if you check it out and see
Speaker 1: what you do is five. You just spread out your
Speaker 1: one and your two leave yourself a lot of room,
Speaker 1: Kyle saying this is Kyle. No. Look, Glands, Judy are
Speaker 1: up right by the one Kyle, and then there's such
Speaker 1: blank spots in one and then the other two. I'm
Speaker 1: so bored right now. So I'm moving on. If the
Speaker 1: team my board, if the team switches to a three four,
Speaker 1: what's the biggest personnel need we can get in the draft?
Speaker 1: That's from Sam Williams on Twitter. The entire D line
Speaker 1: and pass rushers. I mean that, just draft everyone. You
Speaker 1: have Tank Lawrence, that's your D line. Yeah, I Tank
Speaker 1: Lawrence that you're doing he is three four, Well, he's
Speaker 1: a front five. I trust, I trust, I trust Tank
Speaker 1: could do it. No, I believe you could too. But
Speaker 1: you still need three defensive tim You would need another
Speaker 1: edge rusher. You don't like you do not have a
Speaker 1: guy that you don't have any of the front three.
Speaker 1: You don't have a nose. You definitely definitely do have
Speaker 1: a nose. May maybe a healthy Tyrone Crawford could play
Speaker 1: three four end. That's what he was drafted today. He
Speaker 1: definitely could do that. That's what he was drafted. If
Speaker 1: you'd love it, No, Well, every time he had to
Speaker 1: play D tackle and deal with multiple people. He seemed
Speaker 1: like his body didn't have any options right now. Though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point point, Yeah, is that or go
Speaker 1: somewhere else? Who else on this team? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm moving Jalen to edge rusher to three four outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: and I will bring back I'll try to bring back
Speaker 1: Sean Lee if he wants to come back to play
Speaker 1: inside with Layton, or I bring back Joe Thomas, who
Speaker 1: could play inside into three four great Daniel Wise has
Speaker 1: played a three four endre we go. Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: saying we could pitch this together with duct tape and
Speaker 1: they're doing that, that's kind of that's harsh. That's harsh.
Speaker 1: You will, Okay, their defensive one right now would be
Speaker 1: what it would be, Tank and Dorn's arm Strong. I mean,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods and Tristan Hill. They will bring we're patching
Speaker 1: it together. They will bring some guys back. If I
Speaker 1: just I just have this feeling like if they stick
Speaker 1: in a four to three, I mean, it's realistic to
Speaker 1: me to think Robert Quinn could be back. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's I don't think that's crazy at all. I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think it's crazy either, But how
Speaker 1: much money did he make this year? Like, if you
Speaker 1: if you look at the nerd stuff, it's two years
Speaker 1: in a row, he's had the best pass rush win
Speaker 1: rate in the entire league and this year translated into
Speaker 1: eleven and a half sacks. Right, he's gonna come here
Speaker 1: for two years and twelve million dollars? No, you, I
Speaker 1: think you would have to mean you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay him a decent sum of money, but hopefully sign
Speaker 1: your quarterback franchise Robert Quinn in transition Byron or transition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Then let Byron go draft a corner.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, sumber three four. I do think
Speaker 1: you need to have a nose. I think you need
Speaker 1: to have an effective And I don't feel like you're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, go get it, like that's where you start going. Okay,
Speaker 1: is Derek Brown falling to pick eight or nine? And
Speaker 1: then then am I going up to make plays? You
Speaker 1: you're draft, you're training up to draft a nose tackle
Speaker 1: and a three four that would be insane. After watching
Speaker 1: this team refuse to spend any resources on a nose,
Speaker 1: it seems weird. Right, So I would say, don't change it.
Speaker 1: I show some three four looks every once in a while.
Speaker 1: I do like in the sense of, okay, let's just
Speaker 1: imagine they're patching a three four together with their current personnel.
Speaker 1: They don't have a guy that fits like the zero technique. Nos, No,
Speaker 1: they don't. You'd be sacrificing Antoine Woods and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: go try your best. They would have to sign or
Speaker 1: draft to get the beauty of it is you don't
Speaker 1: have to be anything. I mean, you can have a
Speaker 1: base and that's what you are. But you can show
Speaker 1: three four that, you can show four three looks, and
Speaker 1: you can try to piece it together somehow. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would like you to commit to something, but haven't
Speaker 1: we been asking them to change things up? So show
Speaker 1: me some different looks. I'm okay with playing some three
Speaker 1: four because I do think Jalen could rush sometimes. I
Speaker 1: don't want him rushing there all year longs. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that knee holds up, But like, I do
Speaker 1: like him rushing and think about him in a three
Speaker 1: four look that I think that could be fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sticking with the defense, though, West can trail real quick
Speaker 1: question our final one asked, should this team look to
Speaker 1: draft a linebacker basically in either scheme? Is that an opportunitall?
Speaker 1: I think what kind? I mean? Are we talking like
Speaker 1: a rush linebacker? Yeah? Probably if you're not gonna move Jalen.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know because we don't know who
Speaker 1: they're gonna sign, right, Yeah, we don't know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do in free agency. And like, at this point,
Speaker 1: the only thing I would say about the draft is
Speaker 1: they need to let it come to them where you're
Speaker 1: gonna have enough needs. Yeah, where if it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got to get this, No, no you don't, because
Speaker 1: what you've got to get right now is at least
Speaker 1: one d tackle, at least one d end, at least
Speaker 1: one safety, at least one corner, probably a tight end somewhere.
Speaker 1: You need a lot. So just let it happen. But
Speaker 1: I think it's it's worth noting that don't ignore linebacker. Ye,
Speaker 1: just because you've paid one big money and one was
Speaker 1: a first round pick, you've got an uncertainty with the neck.
Speaker 1: Which but I will say, but like at something and
Speaker 1: I know, like I get it, hope it is not
Speaker 1: a strategy. But like at some point, I've got a
Speaker 1: trust that my first round pick who was an all
Speaker 1: Pro win healthy and my second round pick who I
Speaker 1: gave a bunch of money to. Like, Yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: a trust that they can handle the workload. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean ignore it. I feel so comfortable saying that either
Speaker 1: Sell either Shan Lee or Joe Thomas will be here
Speaker 1: in twenty twe to have them both back. I'd be
Speaker 1: fine with that too, both and then we know this team.
Speaker 1: And again, the coaching staff is different, but over the
Speaker 1: years they love drafting linebackers. Not always a first round
Speaker 1: or second round pick, but Day three special teams get
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, Damian Wilson, Kyle Wilber, Markins. I love picking
Speaker 1: a linebacker when they could be picking a starting nose tacklers.
Speaker 1: But I definite like, I think there's something to be
Speaker 1: said they really do. Man, there's something to be said
Speaker 1: for like the Luke gif for type who can play
Speaker 1: a bunch of special teams and fill in. So no,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can afford to ignore linebacker. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great idea to spend a
Speaker 1: huge resources on it unless you're talking about an edge rusher,
Speaker 1: which we don't know that yet. I mean, if they
Speaker 1: switched to three four and drafted a three four edge
Speaker 1: like a Calavon Chaser guy, that's fine with me if
Speaker 1: that's what they want to do. But if they're sticking
Speaker 1: in a four to three, I don't think they could
Speaker 1: afford to day. Wait, noth's fine. He's fine. Wow, he's
Speaker 1: more of a one two. It's coming around. I don't
Speaker 1: want to make this about LSU, but like, go watch
Speaker 1: the final like five games of the year. He was
Speaker 1: I watched the National Championship game. It's the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen Trevor Lawrence shaken up and it was by
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Speaker 1: com Draft shows. Back. You're from the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. Kyle, you almost Jeff Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: along with Katie and Dave Hellman. Glad you're with us
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft show presented by Miller,
Speaker 1: Like Katie, Senior Bowl coming up next week. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun one. What do you got in store?
Speaker 1: They have been kind of focusing on the Senior Bowl guys.
Speaker 1: Before things get going next week, let's start with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I think the big thing to have six quarterbacks on
Speaker 1: the roster, and it's actually gonna be a big week.
Speaker 1: I think in the years past, there's been some guys
Speaker 1: that have gone to the Senior Bowl where I've kind
Speaker 1: of gone, Okay, I'm not terribly interested in the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: because you like the high end guys. I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: like Broadest Houston be He's like, hey, let's do with
Speaker 1: quarterbacks last when we would watch chairs, because sometimes there's
Speaker 1: a lot of bad quarterbacks and you don't want to
Speaker 1: really watch a lot, especially I mean, this team doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to need one one. Nothing's more exhausting than watching
Speaker 1: a bad quarterback. Yeah, but from watching from from big time,
Speaker 1: you know NFL Draft storylines, three guys have really are
Speaker 1: going to have everyone's attention next week. Justin Herbert of Oregon,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love of Utah State, and Jalen Hurts of Alabama
Speaker 1: all there. The other three quarterbacks are Montez of Colorado,
Speaker 1: Shay Patterson of Michigan, and Anthony Gordon at Washington State.
Speaker 1: Your tone is so dismissive. Anthony Gordon had some moments
Speaker 1: this year. They did He's not a bad player game
Speaker 1: coming from He's the garden Gardner minshow's special, baby? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that could work right, the day three guy who gets
Speaker 1: to start when a quarterback gets hurt. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see that. I'm not saying he's like a
Speaker 1: first round pick, but I was impressed with a little
Speaker 1: that I've seen of him. So mulible as all get
Speaker 1: out to Herbert and Love, ye know, they're the big guys,
Speaker 1: and that's when you're looking at the teams that might
Speaker 1: need quarterbacks. But also if you think about where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are picking at seventeen, you want those guys to
Speaker 1: go blow it up and have a great week because
Speaker 1: you want four quarterbacks taken before you pick at seventeen.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely, but we got a lot
Speaker 1: to find out about Jordan Love and Justin Herberts. I
Speaker 1: say you don't think Jordan Love could go before seventeen,
Speaker 1: I think absolutely could. I think Herbert absolutely could. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to think either one of those good.
Speaker 1: Oh I'll bet you right now that Herbert's gone before seventeen. Okay,
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if he's. Lady see him both
Speaker 1: being gone before seventeen. Why the Cowboys get Javon Kinlaw.
Speaker 1: I am done done betting against teams willingness to take
Speaker 1: a chance on a quarterback because we just saw Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones go in the top ten, Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: We're number one overall picks. Teams love overdrafting quarterbacks. Now
Speaker 1: I love it the wide receiver group. I think the
Speaker 1: wide receiver group is going to have a really good
Speaker 1: week against the secondary group. If you look loaded these
Speaker 1: wide receivers, Brandon Ayouk of Arizona State, Denzel Mems of Baylor,
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, who we talked about a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: from USC, kJ Hill of Ohio State, who I think
Speaker 1: is a really good slot wide receiver, ant Antonio Gandy
Speaker 1: Golden of Liberty who's a big oh dude, Devin Duverney
Speaker 1: of Texas, and I've got a history of trolling Texas Longhorns,
Speaker 1: but Devin Davernet is really good. Yeah, He's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And then they have Brian Edwards of South Carolina, Colin
Speaker 1: Johnson of Texas. Juwan Jennings of Tennessee is the most
Speaker 1: hair on fire player I've ever seen, the yack God himself.
Speaker 1: He is incredible. Van Jefferson of Florida, James Prochet of SMU,
Speaker 1: Chase Claypol of Notre Dame, and then Collijah Lipscomb of Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: He had a really good year last year with eighty
Speaker 1: seven catches, and then his production completely fell off last
Speaker 1: year because that whole team was really bad. The production
Speaker 1: fell off for the running back end, the tight end.
Speaker 1: Jared Peakney tells you a little bit what you need
Speaker 1: to know about Vanderbilt, what was going on there. Lipscomb
Speaker 1: is a really good player. I mean, these are all
Speaker 1: guys who I think can all get drafted in the
Speaker 1: first four or five rounds, and they're all going to
Speaker 1: be at the Singer Bowl proving what they have and
Speaker 1: they all have to also go up against all these
Speaker 1: underclass and when it comes to draft time, which and
Speaker 1: am I a mean person? And I watched the many
Speaker 1: prospects as you, it doesn't seem like the dB field
Speaker 1: is quite as loaded. Let's go there. Cornerbacks, you know,
Speaker 1: good cornerbacks? Yeah, do it. Jeff Gladney of TCU. I
Speaker 1: love Jeff Gladeny of TCU. UM. In fact, he's my
Speaker 1: number two cornerback right now, behind who behind um? Who's
Speaker 1: number Okuda then Gladney H Christian Fulton lsu. Um, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a big week, and especially getting picked down
Speaker 1: in the National Championship Game a little bit. It's really
Speaker 1: interesting to see how he holds up. Troy Pride junior
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame. Then you go Aj Green of Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson of Pittsburgh, Troy Pride junior. I like him.
Speaker 1: He's five to eleven. I got a third round grade
Speaker 1: on him. Um. I think he's got a chance to
Speaker 1: stay on the outside because he does play pretty physical
Speaker 1: out there, so I think he's very interested. He was
Speaker 1: not challenged hardly at all from Notre Dame. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: Troy Pride. You watched him yesterday and I wasn't impressed. Well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. You're not gonna see a lot. You have
Speaker 1: to really find the bulls they are thrown to him
Speaker 1: because they didn't throw at him. See more of a
Speaker 1: finesse corner than a physicality corner. And then the safety's
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, who we talked about a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: from California. Kyle Dugger. That's the big safety to watch.
Speaker 1: If you're a Cowboys fan. You're tracking them from lenoora rhyme.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna watch him go up against some big daddies.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be fun, that's I mean. And
Speaker 1: that is the fun of the Senior Bowl. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Lenora Ryan going against guys from Baylor, USC, Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Texas, you name it. He's gonna be doing
Speaker 1: it defensive tax scared pretty ridiculous too. Javon Kinlaw is
Speaker 1: going to be there. Um, I thought he pulled out?
Speaker 1: Did he did he pull out? No? Don't think so? Okay,
Speaker 1: might be. I don't know how much he's gonna work out.
Speaker 1: He should, he doesn't, he doesn't need to do anything.
Speaker 1: Uh Gallimore from Oklahoma. Don't don't say that though, man,
Speaker 1: because it's like every year these guys go and compete
Speaker 1: and and more often than not, if you go and
Speaker 1: put three good to days of practice together, you're gonna
Speaker 1: help yourself. Well, Like, if Aaron Donald's not too good
Speaker 1: to go to the Senior Bowl, then Ken Laws shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I'm just pro what's the worst that could happen? Guy?
Speaker 1: So I'd be like, Hey, we're going in the first round,
Speaker 1: what's the worst that could have Yeah? And I get
Speaker 1: and I know, I mean get blocked or we could
Speaker 1: get hurt. Guys get hurt, I get it. But it's
Speaker 1: just fun to see these guys square off against each
Speaker 1: other in a setting like this. There have been some
Speaker 1: whispers about a knee, so yes, something to watch. Keep
Speaker 1: that just on your radar. There can't have nice things,
Speaker 1: can never have nice things. Neville Gallimore who we talked
Speaker 1: about from a Gallimore who we talked about from Oklahoma. Jeff,
Speaker 1: your guy who're watching right before the show started, Leaky
Speaker 1: foe two right there from Utah. Okay, you're gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Defensive tackle. That's gonna be fun. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 1: to move him, good luck. I mean nose tackles who
Speaker 1: don't really rush the passer. What's the value? Cowboys can
Speaker 1: definitely use the value to three four. They could use
Speaker 1: that in a four three. That's what they've lacked that forever.
Speaker 1: And I would argue it frees up your linebackers to
Speaker 1: make more play. I'm a mini Rod Marinelli. I just
Speaker 1: want to see a little bit of juice any any
Speaker 1: flashes up sometimes, but for the most part, I think
Speaker 1: that Utah man is a I'm going to stand in
Speaker 1: this region and I'm not going anywhere. I'm not letting
Speaker 1: my bros make some play. Yeah, I'm gonna be right here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take up space. Where can I get this guy? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not drafting him in the first two rounds right,
Speaker 1: Like I would grade him as if I was picking
Speaker 1: late in the third or if I'm picking in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, then sign bring me up. They do need that,
Speaker 1: they might not need it so desperately to draft him high.
Speaker 1: Maybe to watch the Baylor guy. I want to see
Speaker 1: if I can find a different fat guy that I like. No,
Speaker 1: that's the guy. Keep forgetting to watch him, to wat
Speaker 1: him last night Rick Juan Davis. No, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: their nose tell the Shrine Bowl right now. Uh maybe
Speaker 1: thinking I just know him talking to big twelve people.
Speaker 1: I think he blew up a guy on social media
Speaker 1: yesterday and one of the practices. Yeah, he's supposedly the lynchpin.
Speaker 1: Even though the defense I have a defense, I had
Speaker 1: to have good news for down the line, defensive tackle
Speaker 1: guys like one technique guys who we've been begging them
Speaker 1: to do that, Like, hey, these guys fall because they
Speaker 1: aren't always three down players. Three guys to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. I have day three grades on, but I
Speaker 1: do like these guys and they will be at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Ray Kuan Davis of Alabama he's six six
Speaker 1: three fifteen, but he is stiff as all get out.
Speaker 1: I mean he is like you sit there and go, man,
Speaker 1: these measurables, but he just doesn't move very well. Davon
Speaker 1: Hamilton of Ohio State, he had six saxes of one
Speaker 1: tech and he's kind of a pocket pusher. And then
Speaker 1: fifth round fun name right here. He's a little bigger,
Speaker 1: but he's got a little poonaford to him. And I
Speaker 1: know you're a big poonaford guy. Were all poona guys.
Speaker 1: I think Benito Jones of Old miss I like, now
Speaker 1: he's six one, three fifteen and he's kind of got
Speaker 1: some bad weight on him, a handful of dirt. That's
Speaker 1: a six one three fifteen. I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: wait three fifteen, you want to be two or three
Speaker 1: inches tall all nine. And actually the website that I
Speaker 1: was looking at him at three twenty nine, I can't
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see him standing next to Rayquon Davis.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be like the old Sean Bradley Muggsy Bots picture.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what happened? So Benito Jones of All
Speaker 1: misskeep an eye on him. So there's your defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: The tight ends we need do tight ends? Yeah, some
Speaker 1: tight ends. Okay. Bryson Hopkins of Purdue. I like him
Speaker 1: because he can block a little bit too. We'll go
Speaker 1: over the middle, makes some tough catches. Small school guy
Speaker 1: Jeff Adam Troutman of Dayton, I've heard, I've heard the
Speaker 1: name Troutman. Same thing that I said earlier. I need
Speaker 1: to see more tape on him, because he believe it
Speaker 1: or not. Finding Dayton tape is difficult, but when you
Speaker 1: do watch the little bit I've watched of him. One
Speaker 1: thing that I mentioned earlier that you ask is I
Speaker 1: really need this guy to look like he's playing against
Speaker 1: someone about five or six years younger than him. I
Speaker 1: need him to big brother the small school dude. And
Speaker 1: he does that. That's why Terik Cohen's my favorite study
Speaker 1: of all time. It was incredible, Carolina A and t.
Speaker 1: It really looked like a college kid playing against bunch
Speaker 1: of middal scorers. He's not very big either, no he
Speaker 1: but he was dominating. I gotta give. I'm sorry, Ki, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, No go ahead, No, you go ahead. I
Speaker 1: just you gotta give something. I gotta give Jim Naggy
Speaker 1: like a ton of credit. I mean, this is good.
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl has been good for the last four
Speaker 1: or five years. I mean, you know, they get these
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks to go. But this roster seems loaded. Like
Speaker 1: there are Day one and two picks every position group.
Speaker 1: Almost there's a let me finish the tight ends. But
Speaker 1: there's another Day one or two pick that I didn't
Speaker 1: even mention because he's gonna have a big week. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Harrison Bryant, Florida Atlantic. He's kind of Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz type, kind of do everything. Okay, I've heard that
Speaker 1: Harrison before, you know, getting the way blocker guy, but
Speaker 1: pretty good hands. I mentioned last week gat my guy
Speaker 1: from Portland State, Charlie Tumopeia. Okay, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see him. Are you in that pronunciation? I typed it
Speaker 1: out so I feel okay about it. And then here's
Speaker 1: the guy he went from fifty catches and twenty eight
Speaker 1: team to twenty catches in twenty nineteen. Oh he got worse.
Speaker 1: Jared Pinkney of Vanderbilt. Why do you get so much
Speaker 1: worse because Vanderbilts off on a scarbage team though that
Speaker 1: was that dumpster. It was worse than just a dumpster.
Speaker 1: It was a dumpster. One two hundred and thirty three
Speaker 1: yards this year, but over fifteen hundred in his career.
Speaker 1: He is going to cause problems. I think in one
Speaker 1: on one drills. I like Jared Pinkney and he also
Speaker 1: I think he can do a little bit when he blocks.
Speaker 1: He's gonna fall because of his production a little bit.
Speaker 1: In the draft. I don't know if he should. I
Speaker 1: have him as a second round grade. I have him
Speaker 1: as my number two tight end in this draft. So
Speaker 1: I still feel pretty good about him. So big loloaded
Speaker 1: tight end group as well. So yeah, he's like like
Speaker 1: offensive names out here that you go, man, we need
Speaker 1: to be thinking defense. But I'm still kind of tree
Speaker 1: and listen. Yeah, I speaking from experience. I think I've
Speaker 1: been to this will be my seventh straight Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and it's so much easier to stand out as an
Speaker 1: offensive player. It, I mean, it's it just is because
Speaker 1: like it's almost except for like you're Aaron Donald, right,
Speaker 1: like going on on past rush trails. You'll have those guys, Joe.
Speaker 1: I didn't say you can't do it. It's just easier.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a receiver and nobody can deal
Speaker 1: with you, or I remember skill position, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt was at the Senior Bowl two or three
Speaker 1: years ago and it just looked different when he had
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, Like it's just it's easier
Speaker 1: for these guys to jump out at you. I know
Speaker 1: Twitter is going to be losing its mind about some
Speaker 1: of these receivers next week at these practices. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be for these cornerbacks who are
Speaker 1: down the line, who are gonna have to like maybe
Speaker 1: Gladden he can hold his own, Maybe Christian Fulton Ellis
Speaker 1: you can hold their own against these wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: don't know all covering second round receivers good luck. I
Speaker 1: don't know if aj Green of Oklahoma State is going
Speaker 1: to be able to hang if he's got to go
Speaker 1: up against some of these dudes. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm not calling him out specifically, I no, no,
Speaker 1: I get it. You like you know that, well, that's
Speaker 1: I don't love him at one point in time again
Speaker 1: and get credit to Jim Naggy, credit to everybody at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, because like at one point in time,
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl was like, okay, like if you were
Speaker 1: actually that good, you would have left already. And you know,
Speaker 1: this is a bunch of like round four to round
Speaker 1: seven guys out here playing around. That is not the case.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, they win and got the top seniors.
Speaker 1: Absolutely kind of what it did. Zack Martin and Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald might have saved the Senior Bowl, I mean seriously
Speaker 1: that and same thing with quarterbacks and Baker Mayfield, Carson
Speaker 1: wentz Kyler, Murray, d dak Well. I mean, Dak wasn't
Speaker 1: as obviously as sure of a thing as a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys. But isn't that with the Senior Bowls
Speaker 1: all about prize you didn't know? I for one appreciate
Speaker 1: it because it makes go into these practices so much
Speaker 1: more fun. The same token, though, Cody Kessler tried to
Speaker 1: ruin the Senior Bowl. I mean that year. I mean
Speaker 1: I saw him one hope to the water cooler and
Speaker 1: I said, okay, shut this thing down. Kevin Hogan too,
Speaker 1: you don't need to have this. Cody Kessler once tried
Speaker 1: to not win a football game. He's down by two
Speaker 1: scores and ran the clock out on himself. I still round.
Speaker 1: I still remember how vividly mad you were about that.
Speaker 1: Watching Stanford gave you have season. Down two scores again,
Speaker 1: six minutes left. Code Kes throws three yard checkdowns and
Speaker 1: never throws the ball into the end zone until there's
Speaker 1: nine seconds left. You're down by two scores, Dude, I
Speaker 1: thought you were about to re enact it. Down by
Speaker 1: two scores, dude, Yes to all in the end zone
Speaker 1: six minutes ago, Man four years ago. To his credit,
Speaker 1: it was an impressive eight minute drive. That hurts his soul.
Speaker 1: His completion percentage is super high. Yeah, he was throwing
Speaker 1: the running backs when he was down by fifteen points.
Speaker 1: What do you guys to think of Zach Bond of
Speaker 1: Wisconsin six two two twenty seven. Now here's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Because he is a three to four outside linebacker type
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. People are immediately going to go. But he
Speaker 1: is about thirty pounds less than t J. Watt and
Speaker 1: he's about two which is shorter than t J. Watt.
Speaker 1: But he'd have twelve and a half sacks last year
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. But he is everything. Trust me, he is
Speaker 1: a different He is your extremely poor man's Isaiah Simmons,
Speaker 1: who's a lot shorter and not near his athletic Isaiah Simmons,
Speaker 1: but in the way that he has used more sacks
Speaker 1: because he can rush. You can rush the outside, he
Speaker 1: can blitz a very good blitzer. He can cover a
Speaker 1: little bit, can to play linebacker. Some team's going to
Speaker 1: figure out what to do with him, and I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what his team. It's the lines and the Bengals, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: which team he's on. And then also how they use him.
Speaker 1: Well that say, hey you're you're you're a edge rusher
Speaker 1: this week. That is another that's another fun subplot. Who
Speaker 1: was it? I think it was the Eagles with Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly drafted Marcus Williams out of Louisville. I remember, not
Speaker 1: a great pick, Mark, thank you. I'm sorry, Marcus Smith.
Speaker 1: Point being is half these guys are tweeners between edge
Speaker 1: rushers and outside linebackers, and these coaching staffs are gonna
Speaker 1: have to find something to do with them. So that
Speaker 1: about is that it? Yeah, yeah, we're passed on now.
Speaker 1: Jeff's already Jeff's like, I just got another commitment. Okay, Jeff,
Speaker 1: get on with us. Okay, Well, be sure tape Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, buddy, be sure to keep up with all
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl coverage over the next week. Dave and
Speaker 1: I will be in Mobile. Kevin will be all over
Speaker 1: it no matter where he is. Yeah, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: Katie and Jeff can't make it to Mobile, but me
Speaker 1: and Kyle will be doing uh Draft podcast Draft hits
Speaker 1: from Mobile all week with Lindsay to be on top
Speaker 1: of it. Lindsay, Yeah, we got you covered. We'll be
Speaker 1: back on next Thursday at eleven hits all the way
Speaker 1: throughout the week. We'll be there starting on Tuesday. So
Speaker 1: for Jeff Cavanaugh, Katie, Dave Helmet, I'm Kyle Yelman. Thanks
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