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Speaker 1: National Signing Day it's like the Super Bowl for college

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Speaker 1: football because it's where hope, all the hope is sold

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Speaker 1: because fans they look and they say, oh, yes, our

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Speaker 1: recruiting class has got eighty thousand stars. Your sucks. And

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be indicative of how your team is

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Speaker 1: looking in and the outlook. But sometimes getting a bunch

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Speaker 1: That's what a five star is. So a five star

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Speaker 1: considered to not be at the top of the heap

430
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: as far as their ability to recruit. But I think

431
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: I think they're really building. I think this is three

432
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: pretty good classes in a row, even though they were

433
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: technically ranked sixty in the recruiting rankings in in En,

434
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: they were thirty one last year, and then they're in

435
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: the top four of the pack twelve this year so far. Yep. Um.

436
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: Then in the three spots, you got cal Cal. They

437
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: signed every one of their eighteen commits right and nobody

438
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: expected them really to be in a three spot right now.

439
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: They loaded up early. Um, they had a four star

440
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: commit um, Jermaine Terry. I think who was their best

441
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: signy according to rivals UM, I think a su might

442
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: have made a late run at and they did not. Um,

443
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: they did not get him. But this is this is

444
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: just really solid class. They got sixteen or they got

445
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: fifteen three stars, a two star offensive linemen out of

446
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: out of Washington that they're hoping is going to be

447
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: pretty good. And then they got the two four star

448
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: pass catchers, which is what they really need. Jermaine Terry,

449
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: UM five tight end at Richmond, California. And then uh

450
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: um j Michael Sturtevant, a wide receiver out of Flower Mound,

451
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: Texas six two and and UM, yeah, they're they're got

452
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: really high hopes for them. And then they did what

453
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: they do every single year. They took a bunch of

454
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: talent out of Arizona. They're hoping that Kai Milner is

455
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: going to be the truth at them for for quarterback.

456
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: I know that they don't have a ton of faith

457
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: in some of the backups that they have right now

458
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: for Chase Garbers, so they're hoping that Kai Milner can

459
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: just take over, uh for for Garber's UM. And then

460
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: one of my favorite commits of the entire class, uh,

461
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: they got a six ft two pounds safety named Hunter

462
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Birth who is the twenty years younger uh little brother

463
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: of Mike Birth who was the kicker at a s

464
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: U I believe back when you were playing yep yep um.

465
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: And then we got USC in the two spots they

466
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: were able to land Jackson Dark and then UM come

467
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: back up to UM in the top fifteen of the

468
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: overall rankings. But how many of their twenty commits did

469
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: they sign nineteen nineteen UM. The one that I'm not

470
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: sure about, sim Mac is a rough one mapa Catilo.

471
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: He was from Arizona. He moved out to go to

472
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: like Bishop Alamanni, and then he moved back to Arizona.

473
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: UM this year. I never actually got a chance to

474
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: go out and see him play six five to eighty.

475
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't know his deal. I don't know why he

476
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: didn't sign that. That's something I got to look into.

477
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: But this is a really really good class, George, like

478
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: really good. Even if you you you're gonna assume that

479
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose one of these two quarterbacks eventually. UM.

480
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I have not seen Jackson Dart in person. A guy

481
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: who used to work for me last year did go

482
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: out and see him. Thinks he's the truth. I have

483
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: seen Miller Moss in person. I think that he's very

484
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: good for a Graham Herald offense, to make quick decisions

485
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: and dink and dunk. I don't think he's all that

486
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: great of a downfield passer, but I mean Kyra and

487
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: ware Hudson, which was a little bit of surprised that

488
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: he didn't follow his brother too. Oregon was really big

489
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: for them. Anthony Beavers has been a high level recruit

490
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: since he was a freshman in high school, and so

491
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: they're very excited to see what he can do after

492
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: having to take a year off because of UM. You

493
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: know what happened with California high school football. What I'm

494
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: really interested in is there are probably ten fifteen kids

495
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: from California in this class who will not have played

496
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: in a year. And I think that that's UM. That

497
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: will be really interesting to see how that plays out

498
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: and how that affects their class as a whole. UM.

499
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: And then in the one spot, you have Oregon and

500
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: they had twenty one, they have twenty one commits. How

501
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: many UH did they sign? Let's see, I'll give you

502
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: the answer. They signed. They signed twenty of the twenty one.

503
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: The only one that they didn't sign with Jonathan Flow

504
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: UM Justin Flow's brother, because he is academically challenged. So

505
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: they didn't want to because if you sign him and

506
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: then for some reason he doesn't qualify, then you've actually

507
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: used up that scholarship. So you so he'll sign in

508
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: the fall if he UM, if he makes it throw.

509
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: That was a surprise to me because I know that UM.

510
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not giving away too much. I don't care.

511
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I'll burn a source. His people told us far before

512
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: Justin ever committed to UH. To Oregon. Um, when you know,

513
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: Miami was still on the table, usc was still on

514
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: the table. His people said, Hey, you know, we're gonna

515
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: send uh justin to Oregon. We're gonna send Jonathan to

516
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: Arizona State. And it was like almost it felt like

517
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion, especially when the first part of that

518
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: came through. And so for him to end up at

519
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: Oregon was a little bit of a surprise to me.

520
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what really happened there. Um, this is

521
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: a this is a great class. This is the reason

522
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: that Mario Crysto Baal just inked an extension. Um, and

523
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: we'll we'll be hanging out in Eugene for a lot longer. Uh.

524
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: The fact that they held on to seven McGee for

525
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: three years was pretty wild because that doesn't happen very often. Yeah. Um,

526
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: and he he he hasn't always been out in Rochester,

527
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: New York. Right. Did he move so that he could play? Yeah? Yeah,

528
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: he was in CA. Yeah. Uh. Ty Thompson, who I've

529
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: seen play probably ten times, um, and is just physically

530
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: ready to go. I've I've said for a long time

531
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: he is. He He has Sean Kaiser's body with like

532
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: a sixteen year olds face, he's he's just physically he

533
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I sent you that picture of him, George, of him

534
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: getting picked up by by his linebacker after winning his

535
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: second straight championship, and he had a he had you

536
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: gotta post that. Sometimes he had a bicep that looked

537
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: like he was like, uh, computer enhanced. It looked like

538
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Justin flows bicep in that picture before the season. Um,

539
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: it looked like Tim Tebow, that Tim Tebow golf picture.

540
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: That's what his arm looks like. Um. We we might

541
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: actually see Justin Flow in the game tomorrow. Really, I

542
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: thought he was out for the year. Um, yeah, he

543
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: may be back. Um. So overall we have the UM.

544
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Oregon is sitting in the sixth spot right now. Over

545
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: in the overall on seven, you have USC at thirteen

546
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: and then call it you taught twenty nine, Washington at thirty.

547
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: Then we have U. C. L A At forty five,

548
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Arizona State at forty seven. This is way too low

549
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: for any pack twelve team the UM. But I mean,

550
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: I guess you still do have the Iowa States of

551
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: the world down here of fifty six, Washington State, fifty nine, Colorado,

552
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: sixty one Stanford. But they'll move up just from the

553
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: simple fact they don't have that many kids yet and

554
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: they need a full class because they're down on scholarships anyway. Um,

555
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: Arizona at sixty five and is that it no, because

556
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: they're still Oregon State left? Um geez okay, let me

557
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: load load more, load more. Um I haven't gotten Oregons.

558
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: Oh a hundred and eleven Oregon State there down with Georgia,

559
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Southern New Mexico State, and Ohio. So yeah, so there's

560
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: there's that. Um. But the cool part about it is

561
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: is that these teams, when they their social media teams

562
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: have been very busy. They dropped these recruiting videos essentially

563
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: when they signed players, like they dropped these, uh these

564
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: edits or these little short videos for them. So we

565
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: decided to rank them, rank them from worst to best

566
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: or best to worst, because this is what we do.

567
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: We rank things. And there were some that were absolutely fantastic,

568
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: and there were some that were trash. I mean like

569
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: it was low effort, and I was just like, I

570
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: know that you have kids going to your school for

571
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: graphic design, are creative and there I don't think that

572
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: some of these teams are spending enough money on on

573
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: their on their social media teams. Well that was I mean,

574
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: Arizona State was in that boat a few a few

575
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: years ago. They were considered to be the bottom of

576
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: of all of it. And now you know they put

577
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: up put a lot more effort into um into you know,

578
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: they took that locker out to the Desert um to

579
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: shoot the commitment introduction stuff. UM. You know they it's

580
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: part of college football now. It's not just with name,

581
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: image and likeness coming in. But you have to find

582
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: a way to differentiate yourself. And people will find a

583
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: way to blame it on the kids and the culture

584
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: and the look at me and all that stuff, But

585
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: it's the adults that are doing it. So like it's

586
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: it's the adults that are doing it and and everybody

587
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: else is just keeping up with the joneses. You have

588
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: a choice to not do it if you don't want

589
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: to know, you don't know, you don't you will be

590
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: left behind if you don't. UM, So, what who do

591
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: you think was the worst? Who did you have coming in?

592
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: A number twelve? I did not like. I don't have

593
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: them all ranked out from but but I will tell

594
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: you the one that I did not like, Um, it

595
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: was originally U c l AS because it was just

596
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: huddle video. I didn't I didn't care for that all

597
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: that much. But um, I I just saw Oregon States

598
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: and it was like a you know, like a paperman. Um.

599
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it. It's like a

600
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: paper version of the recruit in the forest. It's like

601
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: the um flat Stanley. You know what I'm talking about?

602
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Flat Stanley. Yeah, yeah, it was not It was not hot.

603
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: It was not hot. It would almost have been better

604
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: if they leaned into Flat Stanley and like put the

605
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: recruit on a stick and had them like marching through

606
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: the forest and like kind of made it corny. That

607
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: would be hilarious. But it wasn't. It wasn't so corny

608
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: that it was funny, and it wasn't good enough to

609
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: be like to really stand out. So Oregon State was

610
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: at the bottom for me. And then just about that,

611
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I didn't really see any creativity at all in what

612
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: U c l A did. None. What Okay, it's just

613
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: their huddle video, George, That's what every single team has

614
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: done every year. Okay, So for me, I had Oregon

615
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: State at the bottom. There's was the worst because they

616
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: didn't even have a video. Didn't they put minimal effort

617
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: into this. I mean just minimal effort, Like I I

618
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: get it, the pandemic year, all of that, but you

619
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: gotta do better than that. That was not good enough.

620
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, so there's no excuse for what they did

621
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: not do after that was Colorado for me, yes, we

622
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: got a chance to know the players, but the quality

623
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: of the video was just atrocious. I was like, bro,

624
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, it was bad. It was bad office

625
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: zoom meeting vibes for exactly somebody who didn't have enough

626
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: some somebody who didn't have enough bandwidth for whatever they

627
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: were trying to do. It was bad, dude, it was

628
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: really bad. Um. I would go, yeah, so who do

629
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: you have in the next here? I guess because because

630
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: you have u c l A toward towards the bottom

631
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: and I have Colorado did the clear losers for me?

632
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: And this were Oregon State in Colorado, I would say

633
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: toward the middle. Um, I feel like it's been done.

634
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: But it was still pretty cool and it's like my

635
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: favorite thing ever and so I'll always have some level

636
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: of attachment to it. But Utah with the n C

637
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: double A fourteen like video game graphics for each recruit. Uh.

638
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's just kind of taken what U.

639
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: C l A did and putting in a video game.

640
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: But they also made it like a menu screen in

641
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: the beginning, which I thought was pretty cool. Um, So

642
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I would say that that one was

643
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: towards the middle for me. Um. And then I don't

644
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to say this and break your heart, George.

645
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: But so in the very beginning at the top top

646
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: for me was Oregon with the with their VHS tape

647
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: um and then into the stadium and all that. I

648
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: thought that was really cool. But that was until I

649
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: watched another schools that was kind of similar and it

650
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: had come out before there's uh, and so that different

651
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: it was. It was materially different. You couldn't have even

652
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: sued for what you saw, but it was. But it

653
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: was like a cassette tape and a VHS tape come on,

654
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Like it was come on. I thought it was different.

655
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: But and then okay, so who was your yes, so

656
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: what what was your next here? Um? This is me

657
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: being nitpicky again. I don't know if I fully buy

658
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: in to the whole boulevard nickname for USC the thing

659
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: we're doing with with BLVD studios, like calling USC the

660
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: boulevard like quality wise probably the top right, but having

661
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: your your players like face time with Instagram influencers and

662
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: you know you and I talked about that party video

663
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: that they felt that they had a takedown. I loved

664
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: that one. But having like Keaton Slovis be in your

665
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: recruit stuff, it feels like it's more about the players

666
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: on the team than it is that the players coming in.

667
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: And again I'm being nitpicky because production value this is

668
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: obviously at the top, top top, but but um, I'm not.

669
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't all about it. I wasn't over the moon

670
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. And and my next here, which was

671
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: toward the bottom, I had Arizona State because there's didn't

672
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: even have a picture of the recruit it did it well, well,

673
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: you're right, it wasn't a picture. It was like an

674
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: evil rendering, so so so what would you say? And

675
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: and it had tiny writing that you couldn't even read.

676
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: I've here. You know, you're being a giant old man,

677
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: are you talking? I have very good eyesight. So it

678
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: had the the evil picture, which which some people aren't

679
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: gonna like. And then Daniel Daniel not as mom who

680
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: didn't let him commit to Arizona State because of the devil,

681
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: And they really leaned into the devil and the surprise,

682
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: HERM allowed it, and then they swung open they swung

683
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: open the CD case and he's sitting there and it's

684
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: tiny writing. I was like, it was it was a

685
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: bad job. Okay, first of all, you know, herm had

686
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with this. This is this is

687
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: Antonio pier Special. But like it. I I would say

688
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: that I personally thought it was excellent for the reason

689
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: that I'm putting myself in recruit shoes and you're talking

690
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: about a partnership with b D Entertainment. Kendrick Lamar says

691
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: his label all that stuff. The music was good, it

692
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: was dark, it was um. The music was good. It

693
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: was It definitely gave off that like we're the bad

694
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: guy vibe. Right, Yeah, that part of it was cool,

695
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: But you're right, it was just compared to all this

696
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: other stuff that every other college did to put the

697
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: face of the player out there, as you did not

698
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: have that, and and it took a lot of pre

699
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: work for this, for the for some of the other

700
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: schools in the upper tier, like it took a lot

701
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: of of of pre production work. Yeah, and now I

702
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: would throw, but I would throw Arizona above Arizona State.

703
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: I know Arizona State had huddle highlights and everything, or

704
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Arizona Ad huddle highlights. But that fifteen second video which

705
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: like the desert and the drawing of the player was

706
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: kind of cool. But that's all it was. And I

707
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: guess that's all you can expect when you don't have

708
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: a head coach and school. That's that's true. And so

709
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: so my so my next tier is Arizona State, Washington

710
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: because so so Arizona State, Washington, Utah, Arizona and u

711
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: c L are in my next tier because Arizona State first,

712
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: we already said Arizona State, but Washington their original videos,

713
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: so they did come come back with highlight videos after that,

714
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about the initial when the commitment,

715
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: like the fifteen to thirty second deals, right, um or

716
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: whatever they put out first, you dubbed they So they

717
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: had these like almost like um boomerange kind of videos

718
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: where they're just having in the jersey. It wasn't as

719
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: good as it could have been. Like it it wasn't

720
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: as good as it. So the Washington one had like

721
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: a film strip, but you couldn't really tell it was

722
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: a film strip. And then also it had um it

723
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: was like that Facebook degree photo that you could take

724
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: that it like moved back and forth. That was okay, yeah,

725
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: nothing nothing spectacular about it, correct um. And then the

726
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: last thing was was um oh. And then with with utahs,

727
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: all right they there's was just yes, it was the

728
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: n C Double A game, but it wasn't good. But

729
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: it gave me warm fuzzies. Well it gave you warm fuzzies.

730
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: But the recruits didn't even play n C Double A

731
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: fourteen and six years ago, six years ago. These kids

732
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: were tweven seven years ago, because remember they always put

733
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: the put that the year after on the game. Exactly

734
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: seven years ago. These these kids were twelve, they were

735
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: probably I mean, I guess some of them may have played,

736
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: but they weren't into it like that. Yeah, oh man,

737
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: what a bummer. Um. I wish we still had that game.

738
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: What did you think of Washington States mel kiper video

739
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: that they did. I thought it was good. It was

740
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: you know it. Yeah, I thought it was solid. It

741
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: wasn't like the best production value every but it was

742
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: cool here in that Yeah, yeah, it was good. It

743
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: was good hearing that, hearing that draft music. But yeah,

744
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: um yeah, yeah it was it was solid um. All right,

745
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: So what does that? What does that leave us? I

746
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: already told you that I liked Oregon, but that there

747
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: was another school that we haven't mentioned yet. And okay,

748
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: so my my next tier after that was okay. So

749
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: with Arizona's I thought the Arizonas was okay, you know,

750
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: considering they didn't have a head coach. I kind of

751
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: graded them on a cur earth um. And then it

752
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: was Washington State, So we just talked about that dude

753
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: cows Bro so so so Cow's original. So this was

754
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: unfair because Ralph showed me Cow's videos, but he showed

755
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: me the recruiting video, the recruiting hype video first, right,

756
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: which came out back in May. It came out back

757
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: in May to sort of build up to this class.

758
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: So it's been a longstanding campaign hashtag make the Moves. Yeah,

759
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: and and so it's slanted how I felt about it

760
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: because it was so Bay Area. It was it was

761
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: the branding on it was just, oh my god. It

762
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: It started out with Colin Colin Coward talking about San

763
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: Francisco and the Bay Area, how Silicon Valley, all of

764
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: this hyping up the school element, and then it just

765
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: came with NFL Prospect after NFL prospect after NFL Prospect,

766
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: and then them them going out there by going stupid,

767
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: going going dumb like it was so hi fi. And

768
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: they had a Cam Jordan's halftime interview. They had uh,

769
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: they had a Marshawn Lynch in a col uniform which

770
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: you don't see very often forty It was just and

771
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: then they had the and then and then my favorite

772
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: all time favorite Cal player, they had to Sean Jackson

773
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: like picking the hat yep. And at that end of

774
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: the video, no, Aaron Rodgers, did you catch any Aaron Rodgers? No,

775
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: I didn't as um and yeah, And I liked the

776
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: Oregon video to I thought they put a ton of

777
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: production into it. It was it was solid. It was

778
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: just a good announcement video. Um usc put a ton

779
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: of production value into theirs. I like the boulevard thing,

780
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel his. It didn't feel his catchy

781
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: to me. As I wake the move, yeah, like I

782
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: ate the boulevard for me almost is borderline fetch, like

783
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to make this happen, and I don't

784
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. Yeah, but tell me so surprise,

785
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: a big surprise. Number one, I think for both you

786
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: and me. What was your number one? My number one

787
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: was Stanford? Mine too, dude, Stanford. So the best part

788
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: about their video was that that you actually got a

789
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: chance to know the recruit and their backstory. I actually

790
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: cannot wait to go and watch every single one of

791
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: them because it tells it shows you pictures from their childhood.

792
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Like this was months, I mean or at least weeks

793
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: in the making, and they stayed the hell out of it.

794
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: So like Colorado had a version of this, but it

795
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: was like an award show with a random coach reading

796
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: who the sign he was and then just with yeah,

797
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: and then like I ran a new meeting with the

798
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: guy who didn't se like he cared that much. This

799
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: this was more like the Tom Ronaldi stay the hell

800
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: out of it and just let you speak, you know,

801
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: And man, they were good there. I and it's it

802
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: speaks to the age that we're in where name, image

803
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: and likeness is gonna be this big thing and you're

804
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: gonna care about who these people are because that's gonna

805
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: be part of their brand, and it feels like Stanford

806
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: nailed it. Oh dude, that was absolutely awesome from Stanford.

807
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: They by far had the best video. It's not even

808
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: close who did the best job, and it was Stanford.

809
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: They get kudos. I mean, dude, that was absolutely awesome.

810
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: So you're one to three, you're one two three minus.

811
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm going Stanford Cal. I'm not even sure who my

812
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: third would be. I'm going Stanford, and then I'm going

813
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: USC because us he put so much production value in

814
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: to it. And then I'm going Oregon in Cow because

815
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to count Cow's video. Okay, all right,

816
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: I'll go Stanford, Cal Washington State just because I liked

817
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: the voice over of them, and I thought it was

818
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: cool to to incorporate the draft music um with everything.

819
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: But I felt like the really the only couple of

820
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: teams that that didn't impress me. Um Ultimately, it didn't

821
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: matter for them because they had okay, you know U

822
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: c l A had an okay class um and Arizona

823
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, what what are you gonna do if you're Arizona?

824
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: The fact that kids even signed with you, you should

825
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: have just thrown confetti in the air. Thank you guys

826
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast Man recruiting addition,

827
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: we will catch you guys next week when Bowl games

828
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: will announce, will know who won to Pack twelve championship

829
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: and everything. Please make sure that you share like the

830
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: episode all these things. Peace out, Catch you next episode

831
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: open