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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast, the

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Speaker 1: Baldy Breakdown Edition. It's all presented by citizens Official Bank

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Speaker 1: of the Giants, coming to you from the Hackensack Marine

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Speaker 1: Hell Podcast Vidio Keep getting Better.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmell. Jays ends up today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a recap of the Raiders game, and

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Speaker 1: we also took a look ahead at what's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: in the offseason. But it was so good, and we

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Speaker 1: did a long one too, so we're gonna save that

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Speaker 1: for next week's episode. So you're gonna hear we reference

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Speaker 1: in the beginning of this that we'll talk about it

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Speaker 1: later in the show. Well we do, it's just not

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Speaker 1: gonna air until after the final game next week, when

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Speaker 1: we look ahead to what this offseason might look like

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Speaker 1: for the New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 2: Baldy, what's going on? Man? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing? Good man, Happy holidays to you. I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: in a good spot. Wreck to finish line here, So

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Speaker 3: we're all kind of looking around the playoff seatings and

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Speaker 3: you know, the schedule this week and trying to figure out,

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Speaker 3: you know, where we're all going to what we got

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Speaker 3: to do here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, the Giants will not be talking about playoff

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Speaker 1: schedules of seatings that they've been eliminated for.

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Speaker 2: A while now.

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Speaker 1: But Baldy, they finally broke their nine game losing streak

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Speaker 1: this weekend against the Las Vegas Raiders, game that they

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Speaker 1: were favored in, especially given who the Raiders decided not

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Speaker 1: to play in this game, the Giants certainly had the

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Speaker 1: more talented team, and I thought they just went out

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Speaker 1: there in all three phases and showed they were the

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Speaker 1: better team, and they played kind of no nonsense, matter

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Speaker 1: of fact football, got a couple of takeaways, special teams

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Speaker 1: touchdown and they had a nice convincing victory.

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Speaker 3: Completely And we have seen pieces of that throughout the year,

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Speaker 3: John where they played really well for three and a

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Speaker 3: half quarters against Denver and other teams and they couldn't

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Speaker 3: put teams away. Yesterday, they just took care business and

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Speaker 3: they looked like a good football team. Now the Raiders

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Speaker 3: are a mess and they've got you know, Max Crosby's

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Speaker 3: out out for whatever. Regardless, you still got to go

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Speaker 3: out there and play, and I thought the execution was

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Speaker 3: really crisp. Obviously, Wandale had a great day one of

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Speaker 3: his best days of pro and Jackson Dart, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether it was passing the ball to variety of receivers

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Speaker 3: or design runs or scrambles, he was on top of

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Speaker 3: his games and the defense did their job. They looked

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Speaker 3: like a talented defense, especially on the defensive front. So

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Speaker 3: there was a lot of things that showed up and

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Speaker 3: popped yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't we start with the offense bald then

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Speaker 1: you know, Jackson Dart, I thought he just did a

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Speaker 1: good job of taking what the defense gave him. I

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Speaker 1: thought he got the ball out a little bit quicker

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Speaker 1: than he has the last few weeks. A lot of

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Speaker 1: those quick short passes to want Bill Robinson, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have to make any tough passes because guys

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Speaker 1: are just open all over the field. He found them

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Speaker 1: and he got them the ball quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. You know the passes you're talking about

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Speaker 3: the one Dale he had four of them, as a

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Speaker 3: matter of fact, They're all gained like six or seven yards.

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Speaker 3: But they were just little stick routes and there are

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Speaker 3: little option routes. I mean, he really sits down where,

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Speaker 3: you know, where if there's softness in his zone, if

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Speaker 3: it's a man, he might take it to the out.

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Speaker 3: But I thought, Jackson, you know, sometimes those are all

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Speaker 3: timing routes, but they're just drive starters. You get yourself

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Speaker 3: six yards, you're in positive. You know, it's a positive gain.

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Speaker 3: One Dale was excellent at it, and then you know

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Speaker 3: a couple other ones where you know he was good

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Speaker 3: after the catch. But I just felt like you need

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Speaker 3: those type of plays built into the offense. It's an

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Speaker 3: easy completion. You stay on rhythm, you stay positive, you

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Speaker 3: never get behind the sticks. You know, the penalties were

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Speaker 3: way way down. A couple of false starts by Illuminar,

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Speaker 3: but for the most part, they played really well up front,

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Speaker 3: and Jackson Dart he'd looked like a guy that you

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Speaker 3: want to build your offense around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking to Tiki postgame on those illumin Or

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Speaker 2: He said, Look, that definitely go to do with.

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Speaker 1: The fact that John Michael Schmidz is there and they're

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Speaker 1: in Silent Count with a new center and they just

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Speaker 3: No, that can happen. There's no doubt. You're you're lying

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Speaker 3: you know you're Schloppman was in there and he had

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Speaker 3: a good game. But there is a different rhythm and

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Speaker 3: you can see that Jermaine, it wasn't like a bad

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Speaker 3: fall start. He was kind of rolling out, you know

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Speaker 3: he thought. He was trying to slow himself down. And

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Speaker 3: that's all that.

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Speaker 2: Was, no question about it. You mentioned one though.

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Speaker 1: Robinson gets over a thousand yards for the season, first

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Speaker 1: thousand yard year. We'll talk about his potential future a

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Speaker 1: little bit later, but overall, he's had a really good

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Speaker 1: year ball. He worked outside a lot more with the

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Speaker 1: Giants leaning into so much twelve personnel, but this game

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Speaker 1: they went back to eleven personnel when he kind of

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Speaker 3: Well. The big thing is, you know, he's great at

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Speaker 3: just good at separating and he's got the quickness to

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Speaker 3: The deep over out for thirty seven yards I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just a play action, but you know, and then

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Speaker 3: you know he had you know, they ran just a

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Speaker 3: and you know, popped it for seventeen yards on the outside.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you could just tell that there's a rhythm,

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Speaker 3: that's been going on for most of the year, but

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Speaker 3: it really popped yesterday against the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: And then on the offensive line, Baldy, We've seen it

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Speaker 1: before when Andrew Thomas hasn't played. This offensive line is

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Speaker 1: falling part. But that didn't happen on Sunday afternoon. Marcus

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Speaker 1: Bow stepped in. There was he perfect. No, Malcolm Kon's

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Speaker 2: Of these plays. Uses quickness to get her on the

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Speaker 1: But overall, I think you have to be pretty satisfied

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Speaker 3: He gave you a lot more good than bad. It

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Speaker 3: attached to kons in a couple of situations, ran a

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Speaker 3: he like he just punked him out there. And you

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Speaker 3: love to see that physicality that was.

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Speaker 2: On the singletary twenty nine yard run, right, I think, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's everybody runs that play tackle,

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Speaker 3: But you know, he plays the game with I mean,

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Speaker 3: I said in preseason, he plays the game with a

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Speaker 3: when you watch him play, because he knows how to play,

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Speaker 3: is there a place on the line for him? Is

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Speaker 3: a role right now? Like I feel like he could

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Speaker 3: it status quo outside of you know what Andrew's abilities are.

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Speaker 3: But but you know, you could play him in four

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Speaker 3: different positions, and I'm not so sure he couldn't play

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Speaker 1: There, and we can have that conversation about a lumino

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Speaker 2: But I guess just to stick on him for a second.

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Speaker 1: Do you see guard skills with him or do you

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Speaker 1: see more tackle skills.

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Speaker 3: With Well, he's built more like a guard just just

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Speaker 3: he knows how to play tackle. But I feel like

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Speaker 3: and you want to see that from your guard play.

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Speaker 3: You want to see guys that can, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: No, I think he's shown a lot, I think and

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Speaker 1: right side, left side. He's played both sides. I think

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Speaker 1: Another big game for ad Duke Carter. We last spoke

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Speaker 2: Let's cut out the nonsense.

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Speaker 1: The nonsense has been gone over the past four weeks,

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Speaker 1: and man, he's just a pressure machine. He's starting to

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Speaker 1: he's really just eating up these interior linemen ball here

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Speaker 1: his spin moves, and they just have not been able

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Speaker 3: He's got at least a half the sack down four

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Speaker 3: straight games. He's got ten quarterback hits in the last

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Speaker 3: four games. The numbers are there, but you don't have

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Speaker 3: him play like he's beating tackles. He's if he lines

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Speaker 3: up over the guard, they're running twist stunts with Burnsy

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Speaker 3: You know that never gets recorded in any kind of stats.

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Speaker 3: But you're backing up. You know, you take away a

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Speaker 3: up ten yards. Those things add up he's but it's

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Speaker 3: it's all phases. It's him chasing from the backside in

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Speaker 3: the run game right now, it's the tackle for losses.

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Speaker 3: Like he's playing ball on the other side of the

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Speaker 3: like right now. And it's a shame that we're down

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Speaker 3: to one game left because I have a feeling he

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Speaker 3: could put up some really good numbers. It takes guys

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Speaker 3: a while to figure everything out professionalism, Maybe you got

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Speaker 3: to get called out in the carpet by different people, whatever.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like he's figuring. He's figuring it out

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Speaker 3: wouldn't even be surprised, you know, next week from another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, against a young the Cowboys offensive line that it's

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Speaker 1: good challenge for him heading into next week. And then

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. You just can't dump

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Speaker 1: But again, you know, he talked to Paul Latino, my

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Speaker 3: There's no question. I hope it's not. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 3: All all the things are adding up, right, The force

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to know who the opponents have

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Speaker 3: Well, we haven't seen that crossfire stunt that they ran

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Dave Beldon with a nice play too,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No at Dan Belton when he gets the opportunity

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Speaker 3: That was a great instinct seeing that that ball from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. And Kac with a nice

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, got to give Deontay Banks

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Look, I mean you gotta give you

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