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Speaker 1: But tell me what is it. This is how we grow,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a show, I'm gonna do this. But

426
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: when you live and breathe this, like you were saying

427
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: that you know your family was very open to this.

428
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: That lucky you. That's not really common. Um. But you

429
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: were mentioning how your grandfather has quite the history though

430
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: too so kind of in your book. Can you tell

431
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your grandpa. Yeah, so, my

432
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: my great great grandfather's name was Albert Derrn Watson, and

433
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: he was astronomer, he was a poet, He was a

434
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: very famous physician in Ontario, and really amazing man and

435
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: known throughout Canadian history as a really notable figure. His

436
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: his home as a historical home now in in Ontario

437
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But he started out and interestingly you said skeptic,

438
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: because he actually started out as a very heavy duty skeptic.

439
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: This was a guy in the medical field in the

440
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: so he you know, any any sort of mention of

441
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, the paranormal or anything like that. I mean,

442
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: you know, the the universities hadn't grabbed it in the

443
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: way they've they've grabbed it now. And so he he

444
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: was he was completely on the not even on the fence,

445
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was on the other side

446
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: of the fence. And he had a group of friends

447
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: that worked they were extremely open to this stuff, and

448
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: they had come across this guy by the name of

449
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: Louis Benjamin and they said, this guy is a channel.

450
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: He's a channel for for a consciousness that is imparting

451
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: this some amazing information. And can we use your back

452
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: sitting room as a place to meet and talk to

453
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: this this this consciousness. So my great great grandfather. He's

454
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: looking at this, going, you guys are insane, but yeah,

455
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean you you guys go ahead, you know, have

456
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: your little party back there and I'll see in an

457
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: hour kind of thing. So they started to meet there,

458
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: and he was he sat in on a couple of

459
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: them because he was he was curious. He was like,

460
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, one of my friends got themselves into now,

461
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: and so he's listening to this and he's hearing this

462
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: stuff come out of this guy who was really poorly educated.

463
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: I think he had like a grade six education. Um,

464
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of a simple dude, and he's he's coming out

465
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: with this information that was so positive and so enlightened,

466
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: and his cadence changed. As soon as he would go

467
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: into these these this sort of trance medium ship and

468
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: these other personalities would come out, everything about him started

469
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: to change and his depth of information was phenomenal. So

470
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Albert was really curious. And when he started communicating and

471
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: asking questions, what came through was his mom, and his

472
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: mom had passed away, uh, not long before that, and

473
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: he had no idea. Louis Benjamin had no clue, Like,

474
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: he didn't even know who Elvert was. And his mom

475
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: starts to come through and starts to say stuff that

476
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: she like she would have known, and he began to

477
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: take some serious interest. He was like, something's going on here.

478
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: And so he ended up writing and transcribing these sessions

479
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: and and it turned into two books which he ended

480
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: up publishing, The twentie Plane and Birth through Death, The

481
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Ethics of the twenty Plane, and uh, it was it

482
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: was really really phenomenal settings and his career. He took

483
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: a massive, massive hit for this because his his colleagues

484
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: at the universities and stuff like this, we're going you know,

485
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: you are out of your damn mind and you have

486
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: you know you shouldn't be into this. You know you've

487
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: lost it. You use your career would be ruined. That's

488
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: the end of it. And he said, okay, you know

489
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: that that might be the case. But he's like, you know,

490
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: regardless of what I think or my doubts or anything

491
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: like that, this is what I heard. And you can

492
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: either take it or leave it. But this is what

493
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: I heard. And he's like, I believe, And he writes

494
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: this in the intro of his book, Um twenty Plane,

495
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, regardless of what you think something

496
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: happened here, and it was. The books are so full

497
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: of positivity, of joy, just imparting this message of incredible

498
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: connection that even today, I mean, they really are a

499
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: jam that I think everybody in this field should have

500
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: on their shelves. Wow, that's that's fascinating that he went

501
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: that route. I mean, whatever. But but wasn't that during

502
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: the time when a lot of people were starting to

503
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: open their minds to such possibilities too though they were,

504
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: but a lot of them were still back on this

505
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: stuff has to be scary. We have to be sitting

506
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: around and doing a seance um. And the academic side

507
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: was going it was still pretty much, you know, you're

508
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: all looney tune. You know, you had the you had

509
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: certain societies of course that we're coming up, the Society

510
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: of Psychical Research and and things like that, but it

511
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: was still considered sort of this fringe thing. And this

512
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: the SPR was originally founded to kind of you know,

513
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: debunk the scammers. So it was it was it was

514
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: a tricky time to be in especially as a as

515
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: somebody who's a really famous medical professional and you're kind

516
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: of leaning into this this area as well. I can't

517
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: even imagine right, that's that's what what a cool legacy.

518
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: But you didn't know this when you know to this field.

519
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: So wow, it was a family secret. Do you think

520
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: it was? It was weird because I I sure never

521
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: knew about it. My mom and dad never knew about it. Uh.

522
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: There are certain people in the family that seemed to

523
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: have known about it, but nobody ever imparted this to me,

524
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: and they knew what I was doing, which was so strange. Um,

525
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: nobody ever said anything to me. It was so I

526
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I mean not that Uh, the immediate family,

527
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: they're not very connected anyway in terms of talking to

528
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: each other. But um, it was. It was odd that

529
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: it never that it never came up. I ended up

530
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: finding out about it, Uh in some some very old

531
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: paperwork when um, I think it was when my my

532
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: grandfather passed away or something. Anyway, my mom ended up

533
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: inheriting a bunch of old papers and that's where I

534
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: found it. But yeah, it was. It blew my mind

535
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: and I realized, like, what I'm doing is this this

536
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: This was an instinct, this was a calling, this is

537
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: what I had to do. My goodness, And and he's

538
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: written a couple of books and so have you. What

539
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: are these books and what did you write about? What

540
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: are they based on? Yeah, so my my first book

541
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: that I that I wrote, which was now in the

542
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: second edition, is called Teaching the Living from Heartbreak to

543
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: Happiness and I'll haunt at home and I thank you

544
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: well and because that really my the co founder of

545
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Entity Seeker and my best friends Stephanie Wortz, she and

546
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I really really early on wanted to impart this knowledge

547
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: and this information that we we manifest things, we we

548
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: create things. We are not sitting on the sidelines when

549
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: it comes to paranormal events and occurrences. This isn't something

550
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: that happens to us. And we really wanted to give

551
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: people their power back because so many of the TV

552
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: shows and pop culture and things like that kind of

553
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: have painted this as a picture that is terrifying and

554
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: frightening and it asserts itself on you and you have

555
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: no control whatsoever. And what we found was just the

556
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: complete opposite, and statistically that it it backs it up

557
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: as well that most people have these profoundly wonderful experience

558
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: and are are deeply connected and find it something where

559
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: they can become deeply connected with uh non physical and

560
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: and something that's this greater than them and their loved

561
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: ones and things like that. So we really wanted to

562
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: to back it up with science that in our program,

563
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: because we ended up creating a program called Teaching the

564
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: Living and then that went on to be taught in

565
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: in colleges and stuff like that here in Canada. But

566
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: we we really wanted to impart the fact that we

567
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: really do, our minds, our focus, our state of being

568
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: all has a role in what we're creating in the world,

569
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: and when we apply this to the paranormal, things become

570
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: a lot less messy. So Teaching the Living was was

571
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: designed as kind of a guide book for people to go, Okay,

572
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is here's what I was experiencing.

573
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: Here's where some of these old beliefs have come from

574
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: that are are skewing my perception maybe of what of

575
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: what the paranormal is. You know, here's some of the

576
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: science behind it, and here's the science of joy and

577
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: how that applies to what you're creating in your experience

578
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: with non physical energy. So that was what Teaching the

579
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: Living was really about. The second book was was birthed

580
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: from that, which was the Gift of instinct paranormal Lessons

581
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: for an Extraordinary World. And when I was asked to

582
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: write that one, it was really I wasn't sure what

583
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: I was going to touch on because so much of

584
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: it was covered in Teaching the Living. But I realized

585
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: that underneath all of this people that get into this

586
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: myself included, UM, I'm sure you've had this as well,

587
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: and and every parapsychologists, neurologist, scientist, every everybody that I've

588
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: talked to in this field has had this instinct that

589
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: not only that there is something more that we are

590
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be connected with, UM, but the instinct to

591
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: follow that calling. And so I bring up in the

592
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: book a number of these different individuals who felt that way,

593
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: people like J. B Ryan, Ailean Garrett, people throughout parasychology's history,

594
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: uh that, and and philosophy's history that have had this,

595
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: this calling and this instinct to pursue this in a

596
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: way where some of them you know, dropped their jobs,

597
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: they quit their jobs, they you know, moved moved across

598
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: the country, They've done all of these different things because

599
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: it drove them so much to be able to say, Okay,

600
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: I want to know, I want to know what this

601
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: is and and that calling and following that calling ended

602
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: up opening doors for them. So that was what the

603
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: gift of instinct is about. And and the idea that everybody,

604
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: uh you know has has a calling that they can follow. Oh,

605
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: most definitely. I think that's probably one of the greatest

606
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: tragedies around today, is that people don't listen to their

607
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: inner selves and ego gets in the way instead. Absolutely,

608
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, how can we get people to

609
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: look within instead of looking out all the time and

610
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: trying to find something to keep them entertained. You know, it's, ah, yeah,

611
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but well we we've got this. We

612
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: got this issue now too. I think where and because

613
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't think social media helps with this at all,

614
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: where a lot of the things that we interact with

615
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: now Because you brought up ego, and I think that's

616
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: spot on, is that the ego has so much now

617
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: to identify with. It identifies with your either left or

618
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: your right, or you're this or you're that, and if

619
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: you're not this and you're not that, And the ego

620
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: really likes to label and it likes to identify with

621
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: form right. So you've that has not helped at all.

622
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Where now we've got your either this or your that

623
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: or your this, because you're not that. And I think

624
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: that's part of what we're seeing is that, you know, people,

625
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: people are creating a divide or the ego is creating

626
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a divide, and our our ability to sit and just

627
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: be still and be be with ourselves and and feel

628
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: that presence you know, has has been lost on a

629
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: lot of people. Wow, that is so very true, and

630
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, people like yourself, You're coming at it from

631
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: such a different angle and it's so very needed. So

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00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: I appod your efforts on that. Let's uh just hope

633
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: that we could share that element with the world, right

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00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: you know. Um So anyways, you guys, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to our next break. You are listening to Dark Becomes

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Speaker 1: Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Coast the Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Stick around,

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Life with Me Heidi

640
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Speaker 1: Hollis on my Heart Radio and Coast to Coast There

641
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: Young Paranormal podcast Network. I have Morgan Knudson and while Morgan, Like,

642
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Speaker 1: you couldn't just stick with one television show. Huh, you

643
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: have to have specials and a couple of series. I mean,

644
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: my goodness, you really like to keep busy. So would

645
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Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about what you have

646
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: been working on. Yeah, so we we just wrapped up

647
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: Season four Wanted to Hospitals earlier this year, and it's gonna, Oh,

648
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great season. I'm excited for everybody

649
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: to see it. Some really different different stories this year, um,

650
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: which I'm really o'b stoked about because I love when

651
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: the producers really mix it up and they bring in

652
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: some very unique things. So, um, you know, we're touching

653
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Speaker 1: on everything from like the folklore of the hag and

654
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: things like that to uh, you know, just some really

655
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: bizarre experiences in in hospital tunnels and just really just

656
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Speaker 1: really out of the out of the box stuff this year.

657
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Speaker 1: So this should be really fun. Nice. I've worked in

658
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: several hospitals as an occupational therapist and oh, we just horrifying,

659
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: horrifying stuff so much we want to talk about high emotions,

660
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, and it's the people who work there,

661
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: the people who are sick there, and you hear patterns.

662
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: You see patterns and hear the rumors, and you're like,

663
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: avoid this room, avoid, do not get on that elevator

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Speaker 1: after midnight. Okay, got it, Thank you appreciate it. Wow.

665
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Speaker 1: So that's wild. So how on earth did that come

666
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Speaker 1: about to get onto that program? Well, it was actually,

667
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Speaker 1: uh the producer when they when they started the first season,

668
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: they were looking for for people to come and I

669
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Speaker 1: guess be the resident expert on the on the shows

670
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: and things like that, and uh so I got contacted

671
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Speaker 1: by a producer who's now a good friend of mine,

672
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Tobin Long, and uh he he was happy that he

673
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Speaker 1: found somebody in Canada. I think they could come and

674
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Speaker 1: do this because it's Canadian show, and uh he was

675
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: really excited. So we got on the phone and you know,

676
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: within the day, uh they said, yeah, we really want

677
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Speaker 1: you to come and be a part of this, and uh,

678
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: you know it was It was great for me because

679
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I really loved the concept. I loved the idea that

680
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: we could be a voice and uh uh serve as

681
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Speaker 1: a platform for medical professionals who wanted to tell their story.

682
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: So many in so many of my live shows over

683
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: the years, you know, I've had so many medical professionals

684
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: come and attend and say, you know, I would tell

685
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Speaker 1: this story, but I can't because you know, I'm gonna

686
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: get fired, or I'm gonna get a stigma, or something's

687
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And the bravery of these people that are

688
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: coming forward and speaking on national television and and the interviews,

689
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, when they happen, these people are are still

690
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: emotional even years and years later, there's still emotional over

691
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: the events that occurred. It touched them so deeply. So,

692
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Speaker 1: you know, I turned down a lot of TV show

693
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: offers because I'm not you know, I'm not a ghost hunter.

694
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't don't you know, I don't go and you know,

695
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: fake stuff for the sake of ratings, and I don't.

696
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: I just don't believe in any of that. So there's

697
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Speaker 1: a lot of shows over the years that that I've

698
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: turned down. But the work that BJM has put into

699
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: this and too, to bolster the people and put this

700
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Speaker 1: on a on a on a different level, it is

701
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Speaker 1: it's really it's really an honor to be a part

702
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I'm glad that you stick to your

703
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: guns on what it is that works for you too.

704
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: You're not just going to jump in for the ratings.

705
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: It's all about research and helping people to have better

706
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: insight correct. Yeah, and and it's a it's about integrity.

707
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, there there comes a point and I mean

708
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: and in this industry, we all we both know. I mean,

709
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: it's it's easy to get swept I think one way

710
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: or the other. If if you know you're you know, well,

711
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: well we'll do this or you know, you'll promise this

712
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: or or whatever. But one of the things for me,

713
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: because I'm carrying on only not only representing my my

714
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Speaker 1: great great grandfather, but also my my business partner and

715
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: best friend Stephanie Works because she she passed away years ago,

716
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: and you know, this was this has always been something

717
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: for me that is about so much more than you

718
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: know being on television, and television is great because it's

719
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: a great platform. And if you if you can view

720
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: it as a platform for what you do, how you

721
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: do it and reaching out to others and and bringing

722
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Speaker 1: that connection a little bit closer for people, then it's

723
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: and then it's great. Then you then you don't get

724
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: swept up in the in the crazy, but you know,

725
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: it's it's I'm very aware, like it's not just me

726
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm speaking on behalf of Entity Seeker

727
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: and things like that is there. There's there's a legacy there,

728
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: and there's an integrity there that that has to be

729
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: upheld and and it means a lot to me. That's awesome,

730
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I totally understand, uh, you know, people

731
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Speaker 1: why they need that medium to get out onto television.

732
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: I do. I do, And it's it's brought a lot

733
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Speaker 1: of people to the edge to look out and to uh,

734
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, wonder what could be. And maybe my eyes

735
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: weren't playing tricks on me. Maybe Grandpa was telling the truth,

736
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Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, I understand, and there are

737
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Speaker 1: people who serve those purposes, but then there's others who

738
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: are teaching. And in fact, you're talking about your live shows.

739
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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit more about those. Yeah, So

740
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Speaker 1: early on when when Steph and I were we're beginning

741
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Speaker 1: all of this, that was one of the things that

742
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Speaker 1: we really wanted to make sure that we were doing,

743
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: which was sharing the information that we were getting with

744
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Speaker 1: with the general public. And we were trying to figure

745
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Speaker 1: out how to do that and do it in a

746
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Speaker 1: way that was that was going to reach people and

747
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: and be something that was personal. So very early on

748
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: we started holding these little workshops and uh they were

749
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: just at the time, they were out of her her

750
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: condo and we would just kind of go back and

751
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Speaker 1: forth and we'd hold these little gatherings very similar to

752
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: a A. D. Wattson actually in his place, and they

753
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: were responded to very very well. They had a great response,

754
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't long after that that, uh, other other

755
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: platforms started to become very interested in what we were saying,

756
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: because I think nobody was talking about it in the

757
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: way that we were talking about it. So the the

758
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: workshops just naturally began to grow. And now I do

759
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: full blown theatrical shows where people come and it's it's

760
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: so much more than just being lectured at there's you know,

761
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: visuals and video and uh, this really immersive experience. And

762
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Speaker 1: my my background is very much in theater and performing

763
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so so I like to be

764
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: able to bring those elements to my shows and to

765
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: what I'm doing so that people are having fun, they're

766
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: getting really good quality information, but they walk away feeling

767
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: like they've been a part of something that's really special.

768
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: So uh, all the all the shows that I do,

769
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: all the ones that I you know, no matter where

770
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: they are, whether they're at a comic expo or whether

771
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: they're you know, at a convention or you know whatever,

772
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: I always try to or a theater. I always try

773
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: to make sure that that people are walking away going, man,

774
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. But holy hell, that was really fun.

775
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. That's so cool. I

776
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: didn't know you had that big performance element that that

777
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: does add more attractiveness to you know, people are visual.

778
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: They want totally part. They want to they want to

779
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: feel what you're talking about, so that that's amazing well,

780
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: and people want to have they learned when they're enjoying themselves,

781
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's when you pick up the most. And

782
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: if people are falling asleep in the seats and I

783
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: mean you're going, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work.

784
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: And that's one thing that the academic side of parasychology

785
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: has always struggled with is that they have some of

786
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: the most magical and creative and incredible information that you're

787
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: ever going to hear, but the presentation side of it

788
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: is so brutally lacking, and mainly because that's just not

789
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Speaker 1: their area. That's just not what they do. You know.

790
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: They they the their academics, they want to sit down

791
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: and write and you know, publish their papers and things

792
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: like that, which is great and we need it. But

793
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to then translating that information to the

794
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: general public, people would rather sit down and watch a

795
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: show of people running around screaming with cameras because at

796
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: least it holds their attention. And yeah, you know, most

797
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: people will not sit down and read pile of white papers.

798
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: That's it's just reality. And it's not that they're doing,

799
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, a bad job or anything. It's nothing about that.

800
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: It's just the medium in which people receive information has

801
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: to be something that's entertaining and engaging. And so that's

802
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do, is that, you know, if

803
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: we can make it entertaining and fun and engaging, then

804
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: that information it doesn't have to be campy. It doesn't

805
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: have to be you know, silly, or you know, it

806
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: can be something that is just really genuinely touching and

807
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: and fun to watch and and still have the information

808
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: that will just completely blow your mind. I love that. Yeah,

809
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I've sat in like you know, I've anticipated seeing somebody

810
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: lecturing and I go there and the lights turn off

811
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, oh yeah, listen, your eyes

812
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: does automatically start to get hazy and and it's like

813
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: and I got coffee in my hands, and it's like, gosh,

814
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: I hate that it happens, but it just does. So

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00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: it does well, even I struggle with it, Like you knows,

816
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: as much as I love this information, I mean there's

817
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: been stuff that I've sat through that I really struggle

818
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: to hold my focus. I really struggle, and it's you know,

819
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: and as I say, it's it's not it's not about

820
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: the information. It's just about you know, how do we

821
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: deliver this in a way where like the majority of

822
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: people can can really grasp it. I love this, So

823
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: how can people get a hold of you? Like you

824
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: have a website and what eventually got going on? Absolutely

825
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: so the best place to find everything about me is

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Speaker 1: entity Seeker dot c A and so it's entity Seeker,

827
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Speaker 1: not plural dot c A and uh, it's just the

828
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: one stop shop. You can find out books, classes, events, um,

829
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: you can find out how to book me there, um,

830
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: send me a message whatever you know, whatever is up

831
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: and uh, and all my social media links everything is

832
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: is there as well, so that's the best place to

833
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: to to find out more about me. I love it.

834
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Speaker 1: Morgan Knutson. I want to thank you so much for

835
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: coming on the show today. This is a lot of fun. Yeah,

836
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: sure was, Thank you so much. All Right, you guys,

837
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program.

838
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I want to remind you to go to my main website,

839
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow folks dot com.

840
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: Tell me your stories, the more details of the better.

841
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: If you have photos, if you have video, don't tease me,

842
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: just send it on over. Don't tease me with a

843
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: one liner saying I've got a great story and nothing

844
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: put there. Okay, tell me what's going on. This is

845
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: how we learn, This is how we see the patterns,

846
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: this is how we grow. And I'm telling you, I'm

847
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: telling you it's a learning curve. A lot of people

848
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: think they could just jump onto this and be like, well, yes,

849
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a degree and this and oh

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Speaker 1: oh I can do this, or I could do that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you a story. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's all in it together, Okay. I don't have the

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Speaker 1: ego to say I got all these answers. I know

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Speaker 1: exactly what that's about. I could quote anything anywhere, never

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Speaker 1: not me. I'm human, I'm I'm figuring this stuff out

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Speaker 1: as we go along, and I'm growing. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for a long time and it's all about connecting.

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Speaker 1: So connect with me. Let's do this and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we could, we could, we could, we could tackle it.

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Speaker 1: I'm swear, I swear we can't. And be sure. Also

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Speaker 1: go to the Outlanders comic, follow me at one Heidi

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Speaker 1: host on all my social media, and reach out to me.

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Speaker 1: I will respond. All right, you guys, you have been

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