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Speaker 1: This one Bill's Live, presented by Callida Health. All right,

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Speaker 1: how's everybody doing here on the Monday that leads into

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Speaker 1: Bill's training camp.

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Speaker 2: We are almost there.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the supplies have already been trucked out

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Speaker 1: to Saint John Fisher University for the awaiting the arrival

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Speaker 1: of the players, who, as we know, report tomorrow. First

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Speaker 1: practice Wednesday, and we might as well get this out

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Speaker 1: there now, Steve, We've got a three hour show on

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Speaker 1: day one of training camp. We will be on at noon, yes,

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Speaker 1: we do, as we plan to carry the brand and

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Speaker 1: being press conference live at noon on Wednesday, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll be on after that and the first practice will

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Speaker 1: have already happened, so correct. We'll get some comments from

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermot, who scheduled to address the media earlier in

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Speaker 1: that day, and then give you our thoughts on practice

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Speaker 1: Numero Uno.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in a oh Man. Every time you get

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Speaker 2: to this point, it's like, Wow, where are the off

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Speaker 2: season go. We've been slogging through June July. Yeah, looking

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Speaker 2: forward to it that they had a couple of guys

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Speaker 2: and you're working out today. I don't know if they

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Speaker 2: have a roster spot or just keeping their you know,

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Speaker 2: the files going and up to snuff on guys that

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Speaker 2: are going to be available. But you know, the work's

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Speaker 2: never done, despite the fact that they haven't even started

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Speaker 2: on this season yet. Yeah, but it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: big weekend here, everything is. It kind of feels less empty,

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Speaker 2: more empty now although some of the guys were in

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Speaker 2: earlier today, now all the equipment's gone. They take everything

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Speaker 2: with them. Everything is over there at Saint John Fisher

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Speaker 2: except you and me, which you know will be there Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: But man, oh man, this is let's go, man, let's

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Speaker 2: shift gears. I walked out Friday, I said, that was

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Speaker 2: the last full week of the off season. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're ready to roll.

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Speaker 2: Man, save extra a little savoring up of this.

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Speaker 1: Did you did you buy any chance see the weather

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Speaker 1: that is forecasted for later this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one eighty six on Wednesday when we're there

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Speaker 2: two o five on Thursday. It's gonna be so odd.

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Speaker 1: It's a good thing we're under that pavilion because otherwise

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Speaker 1: the sun will just be beaten down on us. And

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Speaker 1: you know ninety four is forecast on Thursday, and that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of weather where you can just sweat just

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Speaker 1: sitting doing nothing if you're out in that heat. So

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Speaker 1: we'll have to come up with a remedy for that,

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Speaker 1: to see what we can do to Uh. That's a

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Speaker 1: powder in your shorts day, for sure, Baby, better have

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Speaker 1: powder in your shorts.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be hot. And last year, Jake Harris was

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Speaker 2: telling me last year there was like half a dozen

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Speaker 2: people with ice packs on their head after they had

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Speaker 2: swooned in the heat sitting up on those bleachers at

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Speaker 2: Saint John's.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it's aluminum bleachers in the stands, the

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Speaker 1: grandstand that relax in the grandstand that overlooks the grass field,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it reflects the sunlight, but it retains a

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Speaker 1: lot of the heat from the sun as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you know your took us as warm because you're

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Speaker 1: sitting on the bench. You can almost steal the heat

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Speaker 1: coming off the benches because I've sat up there sometimes,

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Speaker 1: like I'll be down on the sideline, but sometimes during

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Speaker 1: team periods, I like going up in the seats, uh,

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Speaker 1: just so I can see the whole field to better

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Speaker 1: assess everything that's going on, because sometimes you know, you

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Speaker 1: get blocked by players on the field. On a play

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Speaker 2: Can be oppressive just sitting there. You need you really,

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Speaker 2: there's no shade to be had, right, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: Got a hydrate when you come to training camp, especially

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Speaker 1: this week based on the forecast.

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Speaker 2: Solar panels and you power the planet. Yeah, it's training camp.

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Speaker 1: See if George Hamilton will be out there tanning himself

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Speaker 1: with his little under the chin reflection.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have Bill's News to get to you first and

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Speaker 1: foremost is obviously the rookies report or everybody reports tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Rookies reported last week. Here one Bill's Drive. Everybody has

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Speaker 1: to report out to try camp Tuesday tomorrow, and then

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Speaker 1: the first practice, as we said, is Wednesday, nine to

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Speaker 1: forty five. There is a report from NFL reporter Aaron

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Speaker 1: Wilson spends a lot of his time covering the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 1: but does some national stuff too, and he is reporting

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Speaker 1: that the Bills are working out tight end Steven Stilianos,

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Speaker 1: formerly of the XFL's Bramas, which is a team that

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Speaker 1: plays down in Texas. He's a tight end six five,

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Speaker 1: I know last season for the San Antonio Bramas he

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Speaker 1: So h twenty five years old, So you know this,

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Speaker 1: This is what happens this time of year. You know,

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Speaker 1: the roster is never completely set. There's a lot of tinkering. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you have injuries sometimes in training camp. You got to

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Speaker 1: get fresh bodies on the field because you know this

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Speaker 1: Steve once, if you lose a couple of players at

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Speaker 1: You also don't want to overtax them by making up

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Speaker 1: busy this time of year because they have to have

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Speaker 1: enough time looking at him and say it's just not good.

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Speaker 2: I don't really you don't really think about it too much.

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Speaker 2: But it's an ongoing battle and challenge, not only for

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Speaker 2: the coaching staff and the training staff and the sports

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Speaker 2: get better with intensity, but not get hurt. It's a

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Speaker 2: fine line because when the pendulum swings too far and

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Speaker 2: you start getting like three or four guys, Now this

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Speaker 2: you can't let it escalate because of what Brownie said.

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Speaker 2: You get like six guys taking reps. Then all of

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Speaker 2: taking twice as many reps, and now they're twice as

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Speaker 2: tired as everybody else on the field because nobody else

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Speaker 2: give you a tryout. You can come in and do this.

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Speaker 2: You know the story. We tried you out. You're on

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Speaker 2: have that like on speed dial. Right. So yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got an entire raft of people and you

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Speaker 2: go out to a Bills practice. It was like this

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Speaker 2: a little bit when I played, and now it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It's a crowd and everybody out there has got a

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Speaker 2: and that bat you know, the head coach. It used

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Speaker 2: to have somebody to pump the brakes. Now everybody's kind

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Speaker 2: we you know, we our question today deals with some

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Speaker 2: you know what, what's the one story you want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the time of year where we're sitting. Let's

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Speaker 1: go around the NFL presented by Kalida Healthy, official healthcare

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Speaker 1: system of the Buffalo Bills. And the season is over

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Speaker 1: already for Tennessee quarterback Will Levis, the third year QB,

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Speaker 1: is undergoing season ending shoulder surgery. The Titans, in a

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Speaker 1: statement said, after consulting with his doctors and his representatives,

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Speaker 1: Will Levis has decided to undergo shoulder surgery that will

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Speaker 1: sideline him for the entire twenty twenty five season. We

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Speaker 1: support his decision to focus on his long term health.

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Speaker 1: He approached the off season with professionalism and showed clear

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Speaker 1: growth as a leader. We remained confident in his full recovery.

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Speaker 1: Timing of this, Steve, I don't know about you. It

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Speaker 1: kind of sets off alarm bells for me. It's two

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Speaker 1: days before training camp starts. Now we've made this decision.

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Speaker 2: It smells and somebody's not being exactly yea fourth right now?

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Speaker 1: I was like five day old fish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Either. I mean, there's a couple of scenarios that

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Speaker 2: are plausible. One, they said Will, now, don't forget they

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Speaker 1: Cam Warred first picking the draft.

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Speaker 2: Right, So they're sitting there with Will Levis and they're saying,

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Speaker 2: get surged. We want you to Let's go nonsurgical, let's

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Speaker 2: rehab you, let's work out, let's get you in the

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Speaker 2: will you gotta get it. I think it's the right thing.

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Speaker 2: You probably should get it fixed, right or that's if

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Speaker 2: everybody's on the up and night. That's the base the

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Speaker 2: best that's the best case scenario. Other scenario is let's

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Speaker 2: not have Will get it because we may need him

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Speaker 2: to play this year. Let's see what happened at cam

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Speaker 2: look for an excuse to get Will Levis out of

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Speaker 2: the way. Will you know what, our guys don't think

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Speaker 2: your soldiers quite shoulders? Quite right? Go have surgery now?

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Speaker 2: Two days before camp. That kind of strikes me as

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Speaker 2: a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I thought the Derek Carr stuff

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Speaker 1: Like the timing of that was a little peculiar. This

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Speaker 1: this is when the decision's made. Like it would even

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Speaker 1: camp practices and his shoulder didn't feel right, and then

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Speaker 1: he says, you know what, I thought we could rehabit,

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Speaker 1: go non surgical. I tried it all this week. It's

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Speaker 1: just not feeling right. I'm gonna shut it down this year.

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Speaker 1: That would be more palatable than this.

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Speaker 2: Certainly this clears the decks for cam Ward. Right, there's

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Speaker 2: no no pressure on him, nobody looking over his shoulder.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to beat out a guy, or he

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be shown up by a guy who

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Speaker 2: the entire organization has doubts about already. Right, Will Levis.

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Speaker 2: They drafted cam Ward because what they were sold on

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Speaker 2: Will Levis, right, Yeah, so if cam Ward comes in

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Speaker 5: What's up, Kevin, gentlemen, great to see you again this year,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a stretch for two different reasons.

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Speaker 1: The global expansion is doing just fine. They don't need

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, we're on to think out of training camp.

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Speaker 6: they might be drafted number one next year, so if

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Speaker 6: they if they're looking at trade players, I would love

435
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Speaker 6: to see that kind of attitude in our secondary.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Al, thanks for the call. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think TJ. Sanders is a guy that seems mature

439
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Speaker 1: beyond his years, and I think it's a guy that's

440
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to put something together for this team

441
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Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. I just feel like he's he's

442
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Speaker 1: got his stuff together, you know what I mean. It's

443
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Speaker 1: not just about your playing ability. It's about knowing what

444
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Speaker 1: the pro game is, the demands it puts on you,

445
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Speaker 1: and still going out there and playing consistently. Anyway, he's

446
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Speaker 1: gonna have a learning curve. I don't think there's any

447
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. But I think Sanders would be the

448
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Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on. Walker has got a

449
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Speaker 1: little more of a I think he's gonna need a

450
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Speaker 1: little bit more runway to maximize what he is TJ.

451
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Speaker 1: I think is gonna help and help pretty quickly. He's

452
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Speaker 1: a talented player on the inside there. And I said

453
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Speaker 1: this on our Bills by the Numbers podcast that we

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Speaker 1: recorded late last week. I'm hoping he's so impressive that

455
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Speaker 1: he starts pushing at Oliver because Ed's a super talented player.

456
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Speaker 1: He had that great nine and a half sax season

457
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Speaker 1: in twenty three, but I don't think he built on that,

458
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Speaker 1: at least from a consistency standpoint last year. And I

459
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Speaker 1: think if he got somebody breathing down your neck playing

460
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Speaker 1: the same position and inspires you to, you know, the

461
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Speaker 1: coaches say it themselves, competition makes everybody better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And as far as a defensive attitude, yeah, I'll

463
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Speaker 2: go along with that. You always want that on your defense.

464
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Speaker 2: You want guys that'll you know, that'll fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Al's worried about how things are going to shake

466
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Speaker 1: out at safety, which is why he wants Tyron Matthew.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I get you want to fans like you

468
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Speaker 2: want to make sure you get it right right, You

469
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Speaker 2: don't want to take a chance. Well, we saw this

470
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Speaker 2: guy last year and he was good he's got some

471
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Speaker 2: potential to see you. Throw some more assets at it,

472
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Speaker 2: Throw another draft pick at it, throw another free agent

473
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Speaker 2: at it, throw another rookie undrafted that guy at it.

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Speaker 2: Just keep throwing at it, and keep putting more into

475
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Speaker 2: it until you find the guy. I get all that,

476
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Speaker 2: and you're right. Sometimes you wish this defense had some

477
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: buddy who'd get a personal foul for slapping somebody across

478
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Speaker 2: the face. You know what I mean, I mean hyperbolze.

479
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Speaker 2: You don't want that, but you get your you get

480
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Speaker 2: the idea. You want some guys with some nasty in them,

481
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Speaker 2: and sometimes you feel like your team doesn't have enough

482
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Speaker 2: of it. Go get it. I'll say this, though, I

483
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Speaker 2: wouldn't change too much about the way the Bills put

484
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Speaker 2: their roster together. I wouldn't say too much. I wouldn't

485
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Speaker 2: change too much about it. Whatever philosophy they're using, they're

486
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Speaker 2: getting there. Well, let's say it. They're right there every year,

487
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Speaker 2: and it's frustrating to watch them just miss. We all

488
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Speaker 2: think that one last little thing is gonna put them

489
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Speaker 2: over the All you need is the right spot at

490
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Speaker 2: the right time. That I mean, there's four or five

491
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Speaker 2: six teams last year who could have won it had

492
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Speaker 2: one play, two plays gone the other way. There's like

493
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Speaker 2: six of them.

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Speaker 1: Detroit saying the same thing, Detroit.

495
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Speaker 2: Saying the same thing. Now Kansas City, maybe not Kansas City.

496
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Speaker 2: They had a bad game, Yeah they.

497
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Speaker 1: Didn't, but there not play well.

498
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Speaker 2: They did not play well on that day. But there

499
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Speaker 2: you go. I mean, so you don't. I know, it's

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Speaker 2: frustrating for fans to hear because you feel like you

501
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Speaker 2: look back at the last season you think, well, if

502
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Speaker 2: you'd fix that, then you would have won it. Then

503
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Speaker 2: well it's not this. Yeah, you know this year it's

504
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: a different thing. It's gonna be a different thing this year.

505
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Speaker 2: So you got to be ready on all front. So

506
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't change what they're doing evaluation or signing, or

507
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: their philosophies, the all that don't change anything. Just keep

508
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Speaker 2: on keeping on and pounding on the door and pretty

509
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: soon you'll get a chance to kick it.

510
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Speaker 1: In break time for us here. But if you're holding

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Speaker 1: an eightyo three oh five fifty, we'll get to you

512
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Speaker 1: in the next segment. More of your phone calls. What

513
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Speaker 1: story you want to hear from Bill's training camp, You

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Speaker 1: let us know next here on one Bill's Live presented

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Speaker 1: by coll Out of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Ready. All right,

516
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Speaker 1: welcome back to a Monday edition on Bill's Live. What

517
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Speaker 1: story do you want to hear from Bill's training camp?

518
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Speaker 1: You tell us at ETO three oh five fifty, right

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Speaker 1: to the phone.

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Speaker 7: As we go.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of people to get to. So

522
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Speaker 1: the butcher on the East Side, what do you got

523
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Speaker 1: for his butcher?

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Speaker 8: My guys, my brothers from another beautiful mom. I love

525
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Speaker 8: each and every one of you.

526
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Speaker 1: I love him.

527
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Speaker 8: That's g I love WGI And to all the fans

528
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Speaker 8: who listen and watch Bush from East, I love you.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 8: Before I even't get started, we got some imposters. I

531
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Speaker 8: haven't talked to anybody, been on VK. Everybody's back down.

532
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Speaker 8: I asked them. I got a phone call. This is

533
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Speaker 8: about maybe fourth of July. Somebody I had a phone call.

534
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Speaker 8: Somebody act like they were you, Brownie, Steve. Somebody act

535
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Speaker 8: like they were you, and somebody act like they were me.

536
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Speaker 8: It was my cousins in Atlanta, men Kevin, Will and

537
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Speaker 8: Rock and they it was imposters. So if you get

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Speaker 8: a phone call, they act like they me or you

539
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Speaker 8: and Brownie. These these other guys from Atlanta. Anyway, that's

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Speaker 8: that's a funny story.

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Speaker 9: Let's get right to it.

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Speaker 10: The question.

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Speaker 8: That I have that I'm looking forward to far is

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Speaker 8: what's going in Trent.

545
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Speaker 2: Is Mike White.

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Speaker 8: I want him to solidify that number two position. Our quarterback,

547
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Speaker 8: my guy Josh Allen. It's happy now, he's married, he's settled.

548
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Speaker 8: The game is really gonna be real slow for him. Now.

549
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Speaker 8: You thought last year slowed down for him, This year

550
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 8: is really gonna be slowed down for him. And I

551
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Speaker 8: wanted to be healthy, but I need Mike White to

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Speaker 8: establish early that he is the number two where he

553
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Speaker 8: can get reps with with the as and the d's.

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Speaker 8: But putting that to the side, we have a roster

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Speaker 8: that is so deep, and Steve Brown, did you guys

556
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Speaker 8: know this speak personally? Now, you guys might disagree that.

557
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Speaker 8: I think this roster is the deepest roster he had

558
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Speaker 8: here in the last let's say three or four years now,

559
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Speaker 8: so deep. Yeah, we're gonna have to hide some of

560
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Speaker 8: these players so other teams don't get him. Now, I'm

561
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Speaker 8: looking for training camp. We might get a little ankle

562
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Speaker 8: injury here. I don't know, Louise finger injury. It's a

563
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Speaker 8: real minor. I look forward Jackson and maybe it Dion

564
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Speaker 8: Walker when it's Theaesus starts that they might be, they

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Speaker 8: might be on the ir to the point where they

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Speaker 8: saving them because our defensive line is so deep that

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Speaker 8: to the point where, uh, you know, you have a

568
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Speaker 8: lot of good players that we might have to just

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Speaker 8: put them away for a minute. So these other players,

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Speaker 8: these veteran players, can actually establish something we themselves out

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Speaker 8: of who we got. So I look forward to that.

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Speaker 8: I look forward to some of these other players that

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Speaker 8: Brandon Bean and Scharlie Durry's gonna have to make some decisions.

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Speaker 8: That's really going to be the training camp model for

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Speaker 8: me along a preseason. But talent wise, I think we

576
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Speaker 8: are on the track. My thing, again, I don't want

577
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Speaker 8: to sound redundant, is that I'm looking for Mike White

578
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Speaker 8: to establish something to number two. I love you guys,

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Speaker 8: thanks for taking my call, and each one teacher for

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Speaker 8: man you guys be good.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Such I think while you whether you get your wish

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Speaker 1: or not, we'll see. Regarding Mike White, you know, as

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Speaker 1: sending into the number two role. I think there are

585
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Speaker 1: a lot of Bills fans that forgot he was even

586
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Speaker 1: on the roster, because this was a guy that got

587
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Speaker 1: signed late last season to the practice squad and then

588
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Speaker 1: at the end of the year got signed as a

589
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Speaker 1: reserve future free agent. They signed him to an extension

590
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Speaker 1: that was different than a normal reserve future free agent,

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Speaker 1: so you knew he was going to be on the

592
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Speaker 1: offseason roster this year. But I don't think he's going

593
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Speaker 1: to be able to separate himself from Trubisky until we

594
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Speaker 1: get to the preseason games. I think that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the proving ground to really assert his stake on

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Speaker 1: the number two quarterback job behind Josh So But I

597
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to happen early. Probably don't

598
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Speaker 1: have to wait until preseason game two, maybe even three,

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Speaker 1: for a final decision.

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Speaker 2: To be made on that. I think for all the

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Speaker 2: things that they've done with Mike White, from signing him

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Speaker 2: to signing an extension, the reserve future, the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: I think there's no question he's impressed him in his

604
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Speaker 2: short time here. They're continued pursuing of him to make

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Speaker 2: sure he's here. Says something. Certainly, Brownie's right. You get

606
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Speaker 2: on the field, that's where it's as it. But these

607
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: guys are on the field and in the meeting rooms

608
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Speaker 2: and in the practice, in the workout rooms, in the gym,

609
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Speaker 2: the whole thing, in the building a lot, and the

610
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Speaker 2: coaches interact with him, and they get feedback on every

611
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Speaker 2: aspect of who and what the guy is. And I'll

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Speaker 2: say it like I always say it, Mike White and

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Speaker 2: Mitch Trubisky's job is to help Josh be better. If

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Speaker 2: Mike White does that better than Trubisky, I got news

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Speaker 2: for you. Trubisky's gone, you know, Yeah, not that he

616
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Speaker 2: has to leave the building, but yeah, Mike White will

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Speaker 2: be in the mix.

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Speaker 1: And we know that typically the Bills in the mcderman

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Speaker 1: era keep only two quarterbacks on the active roster. Could

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Speaker 1: you keep a veteran third on the practice squad?

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Speaker 2: You could?

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Speaker 1: Most teams if they do that, you know, I would

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Speaker 1: say Shane Bouchell is more likely to be that guy

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Speaker 1: then Mitch Trubisky.

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Speaker 2: And if Mike White can help Josh, that's all. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, by all means, make him the guy. But

627
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Speaker 2: make no mistake. Yeah, if Josh isn't on the field,

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Speaker 2: just you know, that's it. You're I don't care there

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Speaker 2: the guy out there, the backup, whoever it is, anybody

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Speaker 2: in the room you can call Mike White, Trubisky, Bouchelle, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna fill that void, and the Bills are gonna

632
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Speaker 2: have to change who they are on the fly to

633
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Speaker 2: win games after that. So it's all about whether they

634
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Speaker 2: can get Josh to play better. It ain't how good

635
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Speaker 2: they play. I'm sorry to say that on their behalf,

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Speaker 2: but that's the way it is.

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Speaker 1: Bash to the phones and to Mark in Buffalo, what's.

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Speaker 2: Up, Mark?

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Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for taking my call. I'm hoping that the

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Speaker 4: headlines out of training camp are James Cook puts on

641
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Speaker 4: his helmet, puts on his pants, aspects professional and realizes

642
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Speaker 4: that the key to his success has been, you know,

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen the offensive line, and if he was in

644
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Speaker 4: Carolina or playing for the New York Giants, he would

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Speaker 4: have had a very different ye So if that isn't

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Speaker 4: the headline, it's a very different headline, Like he doesn't

647
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Speaker 4: put out his helmet, he's not participat and then that's.

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Speaker 5: All we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 4: But I think he should really realize he's a professional

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Speaker 4: and you know, he's benefiting from his team members and

651
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Speaker 4: be a team contributor.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, yeah, sure thing, Mark, I mean nice. All indications

653
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: from Mini camp are that that is going to happen.

654
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he and Brandon Bean were both asked pretty directly,

655
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Speaker 1: is James Cook going to be a training camp? And

656
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Speaker 1: James pretty much indicated he would, and Brandon echoed that sentiment,

657
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: and Brandon even went so far as to say, with

658
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Speaker 1: or without a new contract, I expect him to be there.

659
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: So I don't know how quickly you know, if one

660
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: is being discussed, a new contract could get close to happening.

661
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: The Bills are over the cap right now if you

662
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: went to their top fifty one. Obviously you have ninety

663
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: players on the roster now, so it's the off season roster,

664
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Speaker 1: but they are projected once they get to fifty one

665
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: to be over now. Obviously some different roster decisions could

666
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: alter that number, but we'll see what happens there. When

667
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: when Bean said that, it perked everybody's ears up a

668
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Speaker 1: little bit. With or without a contract extension, we expect

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Speaker 1: him being camp, Well, wh why would he qualify that?

670
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Speaker 1: Are they talking about an extension?

671
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Speaker 2: What's going up?

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Speaker 1: So everybody's antenna went up when he said that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The headline. I don't want to hear

674
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Speaker 2: that he's participating. I want to hear that he's killing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, look at James. That's the headline.

677
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Speaker 2: I want to see. James Cook is going to happen

678
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: awesome year. I mean, that's all you want to hear. Certainly,

679
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Speaker 2: having him in camp was what you would expect. He's

680
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Speaker 2: under contract and all that, and he seems, you know,

681
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: he came into mini camp. The whole thing. What you

682
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: want to hear is that he's not only is he there,

683
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Speaker 2: he's killing it. Yeah, you know, so, Yeah, hopefully that'll

684
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Speaker 2: be Then that will be the headline.

685
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Speaker 1: Let's go to ALI out in Denver. What do you

686
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Speaker 1: got for a sale?

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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I'm really looking

688
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 11: forward to I want a press conference, and I want

689
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 11: Bobby Babbage and his headline will be cold Bishop. Everything

690
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 11: is slowing down for him and he's making plays. And

691
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Speaker 11: I also would just like a consistent the wide receiver's

692
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Speaker 11: wrists are looking healthy and strong and ready to catch

693
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Speaker 11: the ball. And if I get those two things, I

694
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Speaker 11: will be very very happy.

695
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I can sign up for that. I mean,

696
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: the wrist injury was bad last year. Dwayne Carter, Kean Coleman,

697
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, like, the wrist injury was the soup djour

698
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: last year for this team. My goodness, it was a problem.

699
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And to hear it's going good for Cold Bishop

700
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: would be awesome as well. Yeah, most of that. I mean,

701
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: he's athlete enough, no question about it. He and Taylor

702
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: rep but they're both great athletes, well gifted enough to

703
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: play that position. But I've said it, that position is

704
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: neck up. It's seeing things happen before they happen. If

705
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: it's anticipating the concept that you're going to see as

706
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: a defense before the ball is snapped, you get a

707
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: feel for it, you understand it. You kind of get

708
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: what the offense is doing. You've seen them on film.

709
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 2: Nothing is new to you. That's what a good safety

710
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: in the NFL is about. You hear conversations from great

711
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm all time great defensive like Ed Reid's safeties,

712
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: you know, Troy Polamalu's safeties. Those kind of guys they

713
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: see stuff and no stuff before the ball is snapped,

714
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: and they're willing to gamble and make plays because of it.

715
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: That's what you want to hear from a safety. It's

716
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: not easy that position, as much as quarterback is played

717
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: from the neck up. And that's why Poyer and Hyde

718
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: were so good, you know, That's why these guys are

719
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: like they are so Yeah, Cole Bishop, he's got enough athleticism,

720
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Speaker 2: He's got bucket loads of that for that position. What

721
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: you really need is is what it is between your reason.

722
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: If you can get a story on that out of

723
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: training camp, that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: To Michael in Rochester next, what's up? Michael?

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Speaker 10: Hey, what's up?

726
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Speaker 5: Guys?

727
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Speaker 3: Pleasure to talk it to you again. To echo your

728
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: previous caller, the story I like to hear from Bill's

729
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: training camp is that not only that James Cook is

730
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: at camp at performance, but that they actually reached the

731
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: contract extension with him so that we know he's here

732
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Speaker 3: past this coming season. My question to you guys is

733
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Speaker 3: I believe fifteen million dollars a little bit too high

734
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Speaker 3: for James Cook considering how much they use him. My

735
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: question is, what do you think would be a reasonable

736
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Speaker 3: contract that both the Bills and James Cook's representatives would

737
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Speaker 3: agree to so dusk he could be here long term.

738
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can get creative with the way

739
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: you structure it. I can't see the bills going north

740
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: of twelve though. I mean Josh Jacobs made twelve last

741
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: year for the packers average annual salary, and he had

742
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: over three hundred carries, and James doesn't come close to that.

743
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: He has, you know, he had a little over two

744
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: hundred last year, and Jacobs does all the third down

745
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: work as well, catches passes out of the backfield. So

746
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: if you look for comps, it's hard to find one

747
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: at that price point that James cook is looking for

748
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: with his workload. It just it doesn't add up. And

749
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Speaker 1: I think that's why getting an extension has been a

750
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a problem, because the value that the

751
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: bills see him and his value are two different things.

752
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: If they can find common ground, I think it's going

753
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: to come within the structure of the contract. It may

754
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: be less total money, but if they can front load

755
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: it and get it up close to what looks like

756
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: a fifteen million a year average, well then maybe something

757
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: can be done. Or maybe James, you know, takes a

758
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: step back a little bit and maybe takes a little less.

759
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: You know, there is the job security risk that you

760
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: you have when you're not on a long term extension.

761
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: The second contract is usually the biggest money contract every

762
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: player signs, and it's a big one, so it's important.

763
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Speaker 1: So he may hold firm. We don't know, but I

764
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Speaker 1: can't see the bills going north to twelve. I really can't.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking ten to twelve. I

766
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: don't know. And if his role is not going to change,

767
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: that his role is not going to change. And for

768
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: James Cook on his side of it, maybe you keep

769
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: the contract short, knowing that the money's going to do

770
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: nothing but go up. You keep the contract short and

771
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: maybe get a larger percentage of it guaranteed. Right, So

772
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: maybe that would entice him to sign it for a

773
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: little less you know, average per year with more of

774
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: it guaranteed. But he's in a tough spot and it's

775
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: like Brownie says, it's because of his workload. You can

776
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: incentivize it as well and say if you go over

777
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty or two hundred and fifty carries

778
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: on this season, you get a huge bump because then

779
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: he we'll be doing you know, the alliance share of

780
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: the work. All that could be written in but there's

781
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: a huge area of negotiation that you can do, and

782
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: it depends on what James is willing to take and

783
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 2: what is important to him and what the Bills are Obviously,

784
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: so all these because there's so many different variables that

785
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: you can put in a contract. Some of them are

786
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: really important to the player, and some of them aren't

787
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: that important to the club, and they'll say, yeah, okay,

788
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: and some of them are. You know, some of it

789
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: just comes down to a dollar sign. Not always, but

790
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: some We'll see though. But yeah, there's a plenty of

791
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: negotiating room on both sides of this. But I'm we're

792
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: kind of I think Brown and I are both with you.

793
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: I think, you know, fifteen million per year for the

794
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: role that the Bills want him to play is too

795
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: steep for them.

796
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Break time for us here when we come back, more

797
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: of your phone calls. Gary on a sale, Paul and

798
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Arizona will lead us off next here on one Bill's

799
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Speaker 1: Live presented by a lot of health It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right back here, I want Bill slide first. Brown,

801
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you. Are gonna get right back to

802
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: the phones here as we are asking you what is

803
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: the one story you want to hear coming out of

804
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: Bill's training camp this week, and as promised to Gary

805
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: on a sale here, what's up Gary?

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00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, I all do good, doing good?

807
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 12: I have three of them. I think I've been saying

808
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 12: the defense obviously all off season, front seven to secondary

809
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 12: and then Kean Coleman. Those three show me some pretty

810
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 12: excited for season.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. Yeah, you get those three elements

812
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: to show up, you got something.

813
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: The defenses has been at the front, on the front

814
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: burner the entire offseason. We've said it a zillion times.

815
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: The thing that bailed the defense out of a very

816
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: mediocre season with their abilities to consistently get turnovers. It

817
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: was the biggest thing. It made them from an also

818
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: ran defense into a conference championship defense. Certainly, the offense

819
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: is a steam roller and looks to continue to be.

820
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: But if you can and if you can help them

821
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: in any way shape or form defensively like the Bill

822
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: like they did last year with turnovers, If you can

823
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: do that more with sacks or what what have you,

824
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: third down efficiency may be a little bit more on defense,

825
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna get exponential returns on that investment. So Yeah,

826
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: front seven and DB's You're right, two of your three

827
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: are easy. And of course Keon. I've been watching some

828
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: some old games from last year and watching Keon. We

829
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: rode the roller coaster with him a little bit. He

830
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: do some stuff that's like ah, like you know, makes

831
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: you shake your head. And then other times, you know,

832
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: he's going up and snagging one out of the air

833
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: from the in the end zone for the Jets. Right,

834
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: he's getting behind the defense against Detroit. He's you know,

835
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of stuff going on. Consistency would

836
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: really help Keon if you could get him to do that,

837
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: get him to play at the top of his game

838
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: a lot instead of just flashes of it, which is

839
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: normal for a young player. Yeah, I'm all over those, Gary,

840
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: those are three good ones. The front, the defensive front,

841
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: the defensive secondary, and one of your young players who's

842
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: got a ton of ability. Let's hear it.

843
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: All that would be a lot fitting into place nicely,

844
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: would be like the wrecking.

845
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Ball scratching itch man.

846
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be like a wrecking ball. Let let's squeeze

847
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: Paul and Arizona in here before the break. What do

848
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: you got for us, Paul, Hey, I.

849
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Speaker 10: Just want to thank you guys for taking my call,

850
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 10: and I'm hoping to hear that Kincaid is back, full

851
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 10: and healthy and ready to make the next step forward

852
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 10: in his progression of his career. He'd be a great plus.

853
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, people forget the guy had seventy three

854
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: catches as a rookie, So yeah, that's that would be

855
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: a nice bounce back if he can even get to like,

856
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, sixty sixty five receptions and more importantly, you know,

857
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: stays out of the training room, you know, and can

858
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: get through a seventeen game season healthy. So hopefully that's

859
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: job one. And then because he's on the field all

860
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: the time, the production is there as well, right, So

861
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: that's an easy one. Gotta take a break here. Our

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Speaker 1: number two is going to begin with our good friend

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Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated SI dot com, Matt Verderram, gonna join us.

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Speaker 1: He's their NFL writer, been putting some lists together, including

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Speaker 1: NFL Quarterbacks by tears. Where did he have Josh Allen?

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Speaker 1: We'll catch up with him and find out next here

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Speaker 1: All right, second hour here on a Monday, Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Steve's Askeer with you, and please to welcome aboard now

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Speaker 1: SI dot Com NFL writer man Vertram, who's joined us

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Speaker 1: before and happy to have him back again, and he's

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Speaker 1: also the host of the man Verteram Show. So, Matt,

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Speaker 1: we're about ready to get the ball rolling here on

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five campaign. And I know you've been busy.

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Speaker 1: You were doing some quarterback tiers and you had a

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Speaker 1: little twist on it where they will all rank at

879
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Speaker 1: the end of the season, which I thought was kind

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Speaker 1: of an interesting way to look into your crystal ball.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to Josh in a second, but the

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Speaker 1: one that really kind of raised my eyebrows was JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: who I know is surrounded by a ton of veteran

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Speaker 1: talent on the offensive side of the ball there and

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Speaker 1: has the quarterback whisper as his OC and head coach.

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Speaker 1: But Man, you were bullish on JJ McCarthy. I think

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Speaker 1: he had him in your top ten.

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Speaker 13: I did. I think I had him ninth. And my

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Speaker 13: reasoning is kind of you know what you said, Jay,

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Speaker 13: I mean, they just have so much around them that

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Speaker 13: I feel like he doesn't have to overextend and be

892
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Speaker 13: this superman of a quarterback. He's just got to be

893
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Speaker 13: a point guard. You've got Jefferson, You've got Addison, You've

894
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Speaker 13: got Howkinson. They can run the ball with Aaron Jones

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Speaker 13: and Jordan Mason the offensive line. They added Wilf Fries

896
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Speaker 13: and Ryan Kelly on the interior from Indianapolis. Darreshaw coming back,

897
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Speaker 13: we'll see if he's healthy off the two Torniel Ligamans,

898
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Speaker 13: and then you add An O'Connell. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 13: San Darnold go from a guy who, lets be honest,

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Speaker 13: was a bust throughout his entire career and then goes

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Speaker 13: to Minnesota and is a borderline MVP candidate through much

902
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Speaker 13: of that season and gets himself one hundred million dollars contract.

903
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Speaker 13: So it is a projection. It is a little bit

904
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Speaker 13: of a leap of faith, but we saw you know, look,

905
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Speaker 13: every year, it feels like or every maybe other year,

906
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Speaker 13: we see a rookie or a first time starter take

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Speaker 13: the league by storm. I think McCarthy might be that

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Speaker 13: guy this year.

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Speaker 2: And how much of seriously, I mean, I see the

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Speaker 2: same thing you do their head coach. The fact that

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Speaker 2: the organization showed faith in him and they had Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold should tell you a lot about what they think

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Speaker 2: of him.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Yeah, Look, I do a training camp foror Fresci

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Speaker 13: every summer, and I go to see Minnesota every year,

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Speaker 13: a few hours from where I live. You watched McCarthy

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Speaker 13: and camp last season, and it was not hard to

919
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Speaker 13: see why they liked him. He made every single throw,

920
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Speaker 13: whether it was team drills, seven on seven's individual stuff,

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Speaker 13: and then played well in the preseason and of course

922
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Speaker 13: got hurt in the preseason and that was Itdie Towars Meniscus.

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Speaker 13: But if the Vikings and O'Connell believe in the quarterback,

924
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Speaker 13: then I'm gonna believe in that quarter because O'Connell to me,

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Speaker 13: is on that same level as like a Sean McVay

926
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Speaker 13: in terms of, hey, look, I know what I see

927
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Speaker 13: offensively and specifically that position where he played, of course

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Speaker 13: briefly in the NFL. So I think the Vikings and McCarthy,

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Speaker 13: I think the potential is there to be fantastic. We'll

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Speaker 13: just see how long it takes him to kind of

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Speaker 13: get going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on that list, you had Josh finishing second to

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Speaker 1: only Mahomes. You had him in the elite category, not surprised,

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Speaker 1: So just help me understand because you said where you

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Speaker 1: think they'll rank at season's end. So by putting Mahomes first,

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Speaker 1: are you expecting him to win MVP? Like, help me

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Speaker 1: out with your projection.

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Speaker 13: I think that Mahomes will have a very good statistical year. Now,

939
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Speaker 13: granted this was written also for Rashi Rice finished up

940
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Speaker 13: with his case down in Dallas, and so now he

941
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Speaker 13: might be suspended for you know, whatever it is, for

942
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Speaker 13: six eight games. But I think you know, last year

943
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Speaker 13: they were so be up offensively. They had four different

944
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Speaker 13: left tackles, they didn't have receiver Rice for most of

945
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Speaker 13: the year. Worthy was a rookie and he didn't really

946
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Speaker 13: take off till the second half.

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Speaker 1: Of the season.

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Speaker 13: Brown was out almost a whole year. He played two

949
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Speaker 13: regular season games. So I think they should be much

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Speaker 13: better offensively around him. And so that's why I think

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Speaker 13: Mahomes is going to have a big statistical year. Is

952
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Speaker 13: the MVP. Look, I think that's gonna be pretty much

953
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Speaker 13: for years to come, a race between he Lamar Josh Burrow.

954
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Speaker 13: It feels like those four guys and I think Jane

955
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Speaker 13: Daniels is going to work his way in there. They're

956
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Speaker 13: the best players in football right now, at least at

957
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Speaker 13: that position. It's so hard to be the best guy

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Speaker 13: year after year. I don't have an MVP vote at

959
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Speaker 13: this point. If I did, I would have voted Frown.

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Speaker 13: Last year, I thought he was the MVP the league.

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Speaker 13: I thought he was the best player. I think he

962
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Speaker 13: will be right in that mix again. But I do

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Speaker 13: think Mahomes just is getting a lot of guys back

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Speaker 13: from a team that, even though they won fifteen games

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Speaker 13: really offensively last year, was not dynamic. It was very much,

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Speaker 13: don't make mistakes, I'll let the defense win the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you spent all the quarterback rankings and I

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Speaker 2: get it, it's Pat, it's Josh, it's Lamar, Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: and maybe Jaden Daniels here's stepping into it. But what

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Speaker 2: is a those five guys outside of that? And we

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Speaker 2: know guys like you know, Matthew Stafford has been around

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Speaker 2: and these veterans. What about some of somebody that we

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Speaker 2: don't know about or have just heard about that you

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Speaker 2: think could maybe climb into that who's closing We talked

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Speaker 2: about JJ mccarth that might be a big ask for

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Speaker 2: him and his first year as a starter. Give us

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Speaker 2: one of these guys that maybe who has been around

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Speaker 2: for just a minute, who might finally fulfill his potential.

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean I give you one in each conference.

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Speaker 13: The guy that I put outside of the top ten

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Speaker 13: that I got a lot of flag for was Herbert.

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Speaker 13: I think got them twelve. And my feeling on Herbert

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Speaker 13: was Listen, I get it, like the stats have been there,

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Speaker 13: but the moments when it's ben it's hottest and you've

985
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Speaker 13: got to have it, they have never done it. And

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Speaker 13: that's all on him. It's not just on him, but

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Speaker 13: it's also on him. You know, I would look at him,

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Speaker 13: I look at the guy like CJ. Stroud. Now, I

989
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Speaker 13: don't think it's really as much as on Stroud as

990
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Speaker 13: much as they just can't block anybody. And the reason

991
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Speaker 13: I don't have him in the top ten is because

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Speaker 13: I still don't think they can block anybody, and they

993
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Speaker 13: have one meaningful weapon that's proven in Collins. But those

994
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Speaker 13: are a couple of guys getting then on the NSC

995
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Speaker 13: side of the thing, he's been around a little bit,

996
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Speaker 13: but Mayfield the Buccaneers offensively are about his talented as anybody.

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Speaker 13: I mean, when you look at that group, Bucky Irving

998
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Speaker 13: in the back that he was great as rookie last year,

999
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Speaker 13: they draft a Buka out of Ohio State to go

1000
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Speaker 13: with Evans and Godwin and Jalen McMillan, who was very

1001
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Speaker 13: good as a rookie in twenty twenty four. Like, I

1002
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Speaker 13: think we could be sitting here. I wouldn't be shocked

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Speaker 13: if Mayfield throws for forty five hundred yards and then

1004
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Speaker 13: thirty touchdowns. I mean, they have any elite amount of

1005
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Speaker 13: talent around him. They've got a good offensive line, of

1006
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Speaker 13: course worse as excellent. Well, he might miss time to

1007
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Speaker 13: start the year, but I think those are a couple

1008
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Speaker 13: of guys that I could see maybe not getting into

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Speaker 13: that mahomes Allen class, but like they are really pushing

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Speaker 13: to be seen as Hey, they're right behind those guys.

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Speaker 1: I know you kind of put together good, bad, and

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Speaker 1: ugly from this offseason recently for SI dot Com. What

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Speaker 1: is what is ugly now that could stretch what was

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Speaker 1: ugly in the offseason that you think could stretch into

1015
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Speaker 1: the regular season for a given club.

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Speaker 13: The Bengals defense like that to me is of all

1017
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Speaker 13: the teams that you talk about as potential contenders, to me,

1018
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Speaker 13: they have the biggest glaring issue, which is just I

1019
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 13: don't know how they stop anybody. I mean, legitimately, if

1020
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Speaker 13: they play an Allen in the playoffs, the Holmes alt More,

1021
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Speaker 13: they're gonna have to score forty points. I don't know

1022
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Speaker 13: how they're gonna get off the field. Hendrickson's obviously a holdout.

1023
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Speaker 13: Let's assume that gets done. Okay, who is the second

1024
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Speaker 13: best player in that defense, Logan Wilson. He's good, he's fine,

1025
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Speaker 13: But if he's your second best player on defense, you've

1026
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Speaker 13: got a problem. And I have no idea who the

1027
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Speaker 13: third guy is. So you know, and that's a team

1028
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Speaker 13: that they move off of lou Ana Romo Gost Indianapolis.

1029
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Speaker 13: They bring an Alcoholton who fifty six years old. He's

1030
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Speaker 13: a veteran coach, he's respected, but he's never been an

1031
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Speaker 13: NFL coordinator. He's got to come in there and run

1032
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Speaker 13: that ship. And look, that's that's gonna be a lot

1033
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 13: of pressure in the sense they're going to score points.

1034
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Speaker 13: So we all expect them to. So if they're not

1035
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Speaker 13: winning games, if they're not competing in what is a

1036
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Speaker 13: very tough division in the AFC North. It's gonna be

1037
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Speaker 13: because they did nothing to improve this defense outside of

1038
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Speaker 13: drafting Schamar Stewart early, and that's been a disaster at

1039
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Speaker 13: this point. I think, look, when you look at the AFC,

1040
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Speaker 13: you better be able to get a pass russ. You'd

1041
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Speaker 13: better be able to stop somebody, and I don't know

1042
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Speaker 13: that Cincinnati can do it based on their failings in

1043
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Speaker 13: the offseason.

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Speaker 2: Some over the past decade or two decades, we've always

1045
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Speaker 2: had heard the story late in the season that some

1046
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Speaker 2: team is going to go from worst to first. And

1047
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Speaker 2: then you know, in the AFC you've got New England, Cleveland, Tennessee, Vegas. Okay,

1048
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Speaker 2: maybe one of those two. But in the NFC a

1049
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Speaker 2: little the Giants, Chicago, New Orleans, and then you've got

1050
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Speaker 2: San Francisco as well. San Francisco always seems to have

1051
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Speaker 2: the talent maybe to go and do it. They were

1052
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Speaker 2: fourth last year in that division. Are they really the

1053
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Speaker 2: only candidate or do you see somebody else, other team

1054
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Speaker 2: that's gonna vastly improve and maybe make a run at it.

1055
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Speaker 13: I mean, San Francisco is definitely the favorite Steve of

1056
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Speaker 13: all those teams. I think you'd have to sit there

1057
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Speaker 13: and say, look, if if they're healthy and they get right,

1058
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Speaker 13: they're the team that could win twelve games and do it.

1059
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Speaker 13: I would argue they might be the biggest wild card

1060
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Speaker 13: in the sport where you could sit there and say, hey, look,

1061
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Speaker 13: maybe they've missed their window. You could also look at

1062
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Speaker 13: them and say, hey, they could be an NSTY title game.

1063
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Speaker 13: And I don't know that anybody'd be shocked about it.

1064
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Speaker 13: The Bears are interesting. The problem for the Bears is

1065
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Speaker 13: that division.

1066
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Speaker 2: Is just loaded.

1067
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Speaker 13: I mean, they could be good in Go nine and eight,

1068
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Speaker 13: They could be really good in Go nine and eight.

1069
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Speaker 13: That division is just so stacked. And then the rest

1070
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Speaker 13: of those teams, I don't see it. I'd be shocked

1071
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Speaker 13: if any of them did it. New England I think

1072
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Speaker 13: could be a playoffs. I actually think they can fight

1073
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Speaker 13: for a wild cards spot. I don't think they anyone

1074
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Speaker 13: were close to Buffalo, but you know, could they win

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Speaker 13: nine games with May and very I'm high on break

1076
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 13: Manning's gonna be really good. Rabel's approven coach. They added

1077
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 13: a lot of pieces. I like their draft, like could

1078
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 13: they be this year's Denver? Where you look at them

1079
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 13: and go, Okay. You know, they're a seventh seed and

1080
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 13: they probably get walloped in the first round of the playoffs,

1081
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 13: but you feel like they've made some real strides. I

1082
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 13: think New England has that as a ceiling, but I

1083
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 13: don't see them challenging for the division in any way.

1084
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: We know, Matt, that the Bill's schedule laid out pretty

1085
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: favorably for them as well, for their first five at home.

1086
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: Arguably their toughest opponents are spread out throughout the schedule,

1087
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: Ravens early, Chiefs in the middle, Eagles at the end.

1088
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: What's a tricky game there that you think might be

1089
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: more challenging than maybe the average Bills fan might expect.

1090
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 13: You know, I mentioned them earlier. I think Tampa is

1091
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 13: an interesting team this year. I don't think they're gonna

1092
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 13: win the Super Bowl or anything like that, but I

1093
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 13: think Tampa is tough. And that's one of those listening

1094
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 13: you have a road game before in the division, you've

1095
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 13: got two road games afterwards. One of the game right after.

1096
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 13: It's a Thursday night game in Houston, So that could

1097
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 13: be a trackiing it's an NFC game. Maybe it's a

1098
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 13: game if you're the Bills. Not that you're letting your

1099
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 13: guard down, but you maybe overlook a little bit because

1100
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 13: you're coming off that divisional game, You're going into a

1101
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 13: short week on the road. You have the Pittsburgh on

1102
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 13: the road after that, and then you know, look Atlanta

1103
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 13: on the road and it's a Monday night game. So

1104
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 13: that kind of helps to just staying out of a

1105
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 13: potential trap gameway. But that's the stadium. There's not a

1106
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 13: ton of atmosphere and the Bills, Look, if they beat

1107
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 13: Baltimore to start the year, might very well be five

1108
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 13: no going to that game. I mean, the Bills are

1109
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 13: gonna be massive favorites between the Jets and pass games,

1110
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 13: So I would you know at Atlanta the Bucks. Those

1111
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 13: are games that I certainly think the Bills should win.

1112
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 13: But maybe every team has a game per year that

1113
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 13: you just say, how they lose that game? Well, those

1114
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 13: could be a couple of games that maybe they're they're

1115
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 13: tricky if the Bills aren't really locked in.

1116
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, good stuff, man. I appreciate I love reading

1117
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: your stuff that you're comprehensive. You're all over the league.

1118
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: What's one of the stories if they're a league wide story,

1119
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: that's under the radar that maybe fans of one team

1120
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: don't see the wide or do you have anything on

1121
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 2: your on your plate that says this might be a problem.

1122
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: I know we were talking earlier about the NFLPA, We're

1123
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: talking about the collusion thing. We're talking about the tush

1124
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: push earlier in the show. I mean, the league never

1125
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: has a lack of something that's on the front burner.

1126
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: What's yours?

1127
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 13: You know, this might be something way off the beaten

1128
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 13: path that I'm interested in. This is gonna be the

1129
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 13: and I think Bills fans after the Ashatitic game will

1130
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 13: care about. This is the first year where they're gonna

1131
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 13: have the technology for first downs that they're gonna use.

1132
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 13: Where they're gonna have then it's something they've been working

1133
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 13: on behind the scenes in recent years, but now they

1134
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 13: have it. It's the same technology that tennis uses to

1135
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 13: figure out if a balls enter out off the line. Uh,

1136
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 13: and so it it's gonna be interesting to see, you know,

1137
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 13: how that works, how that's implemented. Are there any bugs

1138
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 13: with it? Are there any issues? Is there a game

1139
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 13: early in the year that you feel like, maybe you

1140
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 13: know what the technology was rolled out a little too

1141
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 13: quick or you know, if there's an issue in that

1142
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 13: stadium with that technology that day, they go back to

1143
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 13: the chain gang, Which wouldn't that be interesting, especially if

1144
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 13: that's in a big game early in the year. So

1145
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 13: you know, it's a little thing that like why would

1146
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 13: you really focus in on it? But I'm curious to

1147
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 13: see how that works early in the year as they're

1148
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 13: working out the kinks.

1149
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just to let our listeners know and viewers know,

1150
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: you're doing thirty two teams in thirty two days on

1151
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: SI dot com. I don't think you've done the bills yet, right,

1152
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: do you know when that one's dropping.

1153
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 13: It's out. So I did all the NFC ones, Gilberto Manzano,

1154
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 13: my colleague, did all the AFC ones. They're out. They

1155
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 13: finished up I think at the end of the last week,

1156
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 13: and we did it in order of inverse order of

1157
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 13: power ranking. So I'm sure the bills are this past week. Okay,

1158
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 13: we had them in the top I'm sure five. But yeah,

1159
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 13: with that and our training camp tours, we're all going

1160
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 13: on them. I'll be out in the Midwest. I will

1161
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 13: see the bills though, when they have a joint practice

1162
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 13: with the Bear August fifteenth, so I'll be right up

1163
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 13: my thoughts and NBA between myself and Albert Brier Connor Oregoberta, Manzona.

1164
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 13: We will be here, there and everywhere all summer long.

1165
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: All right, awesome, safe, Thanks very much. We'll catch up

1166
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: with you.

1167
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 13: Thanks Matt, Thanks Locke, I stake care.

1168
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: All right.

1169
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: That's Matt Verde Rams Sports Illustrated NFL writer, and you

1170
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: heard he's gonna be out at the joint practice that

1171
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: the Bills have with the Bears in the middle of August.

1172
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's been months. We've been talking about everything

1173
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: under the sn I forgot about the hawkeye technology they use.

1174
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: They're gonna start that right away.

1175
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: That is gonna so the refs will spot the ball

1176
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: and then the hawkeye technology will check it.

1177
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: From what I understand, you mean, it's not gonna be

1178
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: like live gone, like if they're gonna they're not gonna

1179
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: say hey, his first time because Hawkey told us, how's

1180
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: that go?

1181
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: The way I originally read it, ref spot the ball,

1182
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: Hawkeye technology will check it to verify. So because the

1183
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: technology isn't to a point where it can see through

1184
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: a mailstream of people, right, just properly spot the ball.

1185
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: In real time.

1186
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: They're going to put a chip in the ball at

1187
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: some point. And I get this because if it's a

1188
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: small chip and the ball extends four inches on either

1189
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: side of the chip, but the chip will have software

1190
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: hardware in it that will say, hey, this is where

1191
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: the chip is on the ball, and the ball is

1192
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: this big, so the chip is here to be there. Yeah,

1193
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: the digit. So I'm I'm an AI genius, right, so

1194
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm taking from me. You said it, I'm Brownie. Was

1195
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: walking me through an application for something for my credential

1196
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: or something that, Yeah, it was.

1197
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 4: It was.

1198
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: That was a fun way to start some intense argument

1199
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: I had with myself. But yeah, that technology is on

1200
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: the brink of being here. I'm not all that fond

1201
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: of the tennis. Let me just say, I'm not all

1202
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: that fond of the tennis thing.

1203
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's very effective though, because it is because if

1204
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: you don't have any other interference.

1205
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: Right, here's my problem with it. They show you the

1206
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: graphic where the ball comes down and bounces. It's a cartoon.

1207
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: They could show you a million different ones.

1208
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: So you're arguing it's not real.

1209
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: It's somebody, it's some they made up.

1210
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 5: Here.

1211
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: Here's a drawing of what it looked like. That's not

1212
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: acting common, you know what I mean.

1213
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: It's a digital recreation of where the ball landed.

1214
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 2: I get it. It's a facsimile.

1215
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: Europe does the same thing. They have the goal line

1216
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: technology because the whole ball has to be behind the

1217
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: line for it to be a goal. And they also

1218
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: do a digital recreation of the play.

1219
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: So you think it's thick, Yeah, can be quite frank.

1220
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they could put up whatever they want,

1221
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: but exactly they could picture. They could put up a

1222
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: picture of your mood on the lunar eclips and it

1223
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: would so now the moon landing was fake to or not?

1224
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: No, that has nothing to You're getting me all mixed

1225
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: app No, My point is it's a rendering of what

1226
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: the thing says. It looks like, show me well, and

1227
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: you can't look through you know the bodies in the NFL,

1228
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: you can't do it. And plus here's the thing, what

1229
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: are you going to do if you got Steve and

1230
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: Chris on the chain gang and Chris is over there

1231
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: and he's watching the play, and the and the pole

1232
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: leans a little forward and the ball has to go

1233
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: that extra bit to get over the electric you know,

1234
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: the electric eye thing. The whole thing is a mess.

1235
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can call it a mess

1236
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: just yet. Let's see how it works and listen to

1237
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: your effective in rectifying any shoddy spots of the ball

1238
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: by the humans. We might be onto something.

1239
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you this too. A lot of

1240
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: it is perception. Let's face it. Built football fans want

1241
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: to know. They want to perceive that it's correct and

1242
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: they're not going to miss it. So if they perceive

1243
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: that it's like hokey or they want to here's basically,

1244
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: they want to see it work. They want to be

1245
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: able to see it and understand it before they trust it.

1246
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: If they just say, if they see the the offish

1247
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 2: will walk up there with no explanation and just move

1248
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: the ball further away from the first down marker, They're

1249
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: gonna go, ay, what's he doing? They want to know?

1250
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: And if you're gonna if they want to know, you're

1251
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna have to stop everything. The hawkeye technology told us

1252
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: to move. They just shut up right, all right?

1253
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: So it looks like I'm looking this up as you're

1254
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: talking about it to make sure I was understanding it correctly.

1255
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: It looks like it is going to replace the traditional

1256
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: chain gang for first down measurements starting in the twenty

1257
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: twenty five seasons, So they're not spotting.

1258
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: The ball every play, only on first down.

1259
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: First down, the measurement.

1260
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: They put that measurement, they put the little thing whatever

1261
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: that thing is on the ball, point to the ball

1262
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: on first down.

1263
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: No, and it's basically using six eight K cameras to

1264
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: optically track the ball's position, providing real time, accurate measurements

1265
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: that a displayed on the jumbo tron to the broadcast audience.

1266
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: The chain crew remain.

1267
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: Sounds extremely complicated to me.

1268
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: Six eight K cameras strategically placed around each stadium to

1269
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: track the ball's position with high precision. They claim to

1270
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: within half an inch.

1271
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: Well, how are they going to know where the market the.

1272
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: Ten yards is, Well, they don't care about where the

1273
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: ten yards is. They're just going to tell you where

1274
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: the ball is.

1275
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying is they don't they have

1276
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 2: an part of the hawkeye technology is the start point

1277
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: of the first down? Won't that and then from there

1278
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: they go.

1279
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: To you I suppose the line would, Yeah, there would

1280
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: be a kind of like these So terre imposed yellow

1281
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: line that you see on tea.

1282
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: So the first intent, so the first down mark would

1283
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: be only for the players. They just need to see

1284
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: it because they've got the first where it was on

1285
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: the first down. Yeah, I would say that technology and

1286
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: then wherever it ends up, whether it is or not,

1287
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: is irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: Much to your chagrin, Hawkeye will provide a visual recreation

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Speaker 1: of the measurement in real time. Scooby Doo and Shaggy

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Speaker 1: over there with a ball, whether a first down has

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Speaker 1: been achieve it's gonna be a cartoon with tennis accuracy

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Speaker 1: down to less than half an inch? Is it the

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Speaker 1: g and stereotor credit card with or it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's it's more than that actually half inch. When I

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Speaker 2: see I hope it works, man, let me just get

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Speaker 2: let me just be real. I hope it does. I

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Speaker 2: hope it's like wow, that is awesome at that.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta see itys.

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Speaker 2: I gotta see it. I gotta see it before I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be like and and midway through the season, well

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Speaker 2: we'll revisit that. We may be revisiting this like week

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Speaker 2: one of the preseason, like Hall of Fame game. I'm

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Speaker 2: like Brownie might it might happen. They're gonna, you know

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Speaker 2: they do in the preseason. They're gonna be like all

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Speaker 2: over it. They're gonna be They're gonna be exaggerating it's used.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be getting people used to it. They're gonna,

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Speaker 2: you know, they do that, remember that, how they overdo that.

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Speaker 2: They call all the penalties and they want to make

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: sure everybody sees it and gets understand it. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: do that with Hawkeye technology. I bet you.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to our topic of conversation.

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Speaker 2: We spend too much time.

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Speaker 1: What story do you want to hear from Bill's training camp?

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01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: But waiting patiently has been Dan and Angola. What do

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: you got for his Dan?

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Speaker 14: They good at the noon and gentlemen, thanks for taking

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Speaker 14: my car. This is about the practice squad. I know,

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Speaker 14: once the player is picked up from another team off

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Speaker 14: even our practice squad, they have to go on the

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Speaker 14: active roster of the team that claimed them.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Now, what happens if.

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Speaker 14: They if it doesn't work out for that team? Do

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Speaker 14: they cut him? Do they go back to the Bills.

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01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 14: Do the Bills get right the rights of first refusal

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Speaker 14: to get him back on their practice squad? What happens

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Speaker 14: to them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I do know that if a player is

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Speaker 1: signed off someone else's practice squad to that team's active roster,

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01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: they got to pay him three game checks, like they

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Speaker 1: They can't just grab a guy off another team's roster

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: for a week and then well they could cut him,

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01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: but they still have to pay him for three games.

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Speaker 14: Okay, but then what happens. Can the Bills reclaim them

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01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 14: if they have the uh, yeah, the right to do so.

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Speaker 2: They can be a free agent do it if Yeah,

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Speaker 2: any team can do it.

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Speaker 1: Accept the team that signed him to their active roster

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Speaker 1: from another team's practice squad and cut him. You can't

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Speaker 1: just resign him.

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Speaker 2: You can't resign him again.

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Speaker 1: Thirty one other teams can, though.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so he becomes a free agent again. And if

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Speaker 2: he's if the Bills liked him and they got him

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01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 2: plucked off their practice squad, the Bills can go to

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Speaker 2: him and say, hey, we'll tet him back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: But that's and that's why it's been so good here

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01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: in Buffalo because a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Times they got to clear waivers first.

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 2: Though they clear it right, which means the worst team

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01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: in the league gets a crack at him. And they

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: go down the list, and like six teams could put

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: a claim in for the guy. Right, all these teams

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: could say, yeah, we'll take him, we'llake him, we'll take them,

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: we'll take him. The worst team gets first DIBs. Yeah,

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01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: that's how. That's how I got to be a Buffalo Bill. Right,

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01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: Buffalo was two and fourteen, two and fourteen. Again, they

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Speaker 2: were one and eight and I came. My name popped

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01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 2: up on the waiver wire. They put a bit in

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Speaker 2: on me. There's nobody ahead of them. They got first DIBs,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if anybody else in the entire

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Speaker 2: league put a waiver claim in on me. First team

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01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: got me was was Buffalo. That's how I became a Bill.

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 2: So that's that's the way it is. And they reset

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: the waiver wire at what week is it? Uh, it's

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: not week one because everybody's zero zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right around mid season? Yeah, like week current years

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: as exactly to the previous six or.

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Speaker 2: Something like that. They reset the waiver wire schedule and

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01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: it comes out from what it was a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll lead off with Mark and Amherst,

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Speaker 1: but open lines for you at eight oh three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: What's or do you want to hear coming out of

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: Bill's training camp? Your phone calls next and maybe a

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: little and it felt true false. If we're feeling it,

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: we'll let you know next here on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: All right back here on one Bill's Live, Chris Brown

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: Steve task you with you, asking you for the story

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: you're hoping to see coming out of training camp this

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Speaker 1: week or next. Got open lines for you at eight

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Speaker 1: oh three five point fifty one eight eight five point

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty. That's the number to join us.

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Speaker 1: We do want to check things on the tweet sheet though,

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Speaker 1: with only a half hour left in the show. Tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills and MBCB, says

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: story I want to hear is Keon Coleman and Dalton

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01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: Kincaid are excelling in camp. Those are two guys that

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01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans believe need to raise

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: the level of play for. I guess this offense to

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: be virtually unstoppable. They were pretty doable last year, to

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: be honest. You get those two guys humming on all cylinders,

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01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: good lord like, best of luck.

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Speaker 15: Yeahposing defenses, right, I'm taking a little bit, and I

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 15: know it's probably the wrong thing to do, and I

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 15: don't even get all over, but I'm just saying the

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01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 15: offense is not on my list of priorities.

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Speaker 2: I am taking it for granted almost well pretty much.

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01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: I've seen Josh do too many good things. I've seen

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01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: this offensive line do too many good things. I've seen

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: too many guys at the skill positions do too many things.

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 2: Not to think they're not going to be able to

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: run it back even at You know they're going to

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01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: score between twenty five and thirty points a game every

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01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: game this year, maybe more under these rules. I don't know.

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: But they were thirty points last year and scored more

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: than any team in the league. Now, outside anything unforeseen,

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 2: that's going to be the case this year.

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had twelve games of thirty.

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: So I get the key on Coleman and Dalton can

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01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: get out like it because it makes us feel like

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: we have a security blanket. Now we got all these

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01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: good players. Now we're really gonna. I'm I'm on the

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01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: other side of the ball. Yeah, I want to see,

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 2: you know, coming out of camp, like Chicago's offensive line

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: had no answer for the Bill's pass rush, and we

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: saw it in the preseason and everything else. I mean

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01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: all just the Bill's defense has just been lights out

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: the entire training camp and both all three preseason games.

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love that. That's kind of where I'm at.

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01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 2: This offense is gonna dude, there are wrecking crew.

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: Let's you know, get him some help.

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01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. On the other side, I got it. Uh, let's

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01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: get back to the phones. At eight oh three oh

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: five fifty, we go to Corey down in Arkansas.

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01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: What you got for us?

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: Corey?

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 9: I think the story I'm looking for is how good

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 9: is our wide receivers going to be this year? I

1433
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 9: think a lot of people kind of look down on us,

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 9: saying we don't have a number one. But yeah, Shakir

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 9: just doesn't drop a ball, and uh, you know, keon

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 9: coming to a second year, I gotta see a lot

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 9: of positives with him, you know, putting some weight on

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 9: and getting a little bit faster. But with some of

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 9: the people that we got in free agency. I think

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 9: they are going to fit in just fine. And I'm

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 9: I'm really thinking that there's gonna be a story coming

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 9: out of that.

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01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll sign up for it.

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: I know that year Keon, Elijah Moore, Joshua Palmer. It's

1445
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: pretty good top four. I need to throw Kincaid and

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: cook in with those.

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: Samuel.

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: I did not say Curt to Samuel. And that's you know,

1449
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: think about that. It's a pretty good top That's a

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01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: pretty good bunch of guys.

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

1452
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: And I think when I transposed my own, you know,

1453
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: experiences and thoughts on being a pro athlete and playing

1454
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 2: wide receiver six days a week and never on Sunday,

1455
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: I know the like Elijah Moore and josh Palmer. I

1456
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 2: mean for a guy in their position as a career

1457
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: and a guy that I could have transposed myself into.

1458
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: They're looking for this. This is their shot shot at it.

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 10: Man.

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01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: They are going to come in here just itching to

1461
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 2: get the ball thrown to them. That makes for a

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01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: really productive group.

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01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: And the bills We've said this before, they made After

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: they traded Stefan Diggs, it was clear they had made

1465
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: a philosophical shift away from a true number one wide

1466
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: out in the pecking order, and they chose to go

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01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: with a collection of good to very good receivers and

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01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: believe that they would be more difficult to defend that

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01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: way because there is no defined guy they're necessarily going

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01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: to on a quote unquote gotta have it down. And

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: I think we saw that to some degree, they were

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: tough to defend. Granted, a big part it is the

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01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: guy throwing the football, but still in all if it works,

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01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: it works, And I think, and Steve and I have

1475
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: talked about this too, I think the talent level of

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01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: the receiver group one through five has been leveled up

1477
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: this year in comparison to last year. You have Cooper

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01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: and Hollins out more and Palmer in. Those are two

1479
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: more talented receivers than the two who left, especially Cooper

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: at more than thirty years of age. If it's Cooper

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: at age twenty four, you might have a conversation, but

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01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: he's thirty one now, so it's different.

1483
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 2: This steady progression that we've seen since Josh Allen was

1484
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: drafted in twenty eighteen, all the way through they drafted

1485
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: me kind of they got through that rookie season. It

1486
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: was a struggle then the second year, they went out

1487
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: and they needed to get him a guy, and they

1488
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: got They went out and got Digs and Diggs was

1489
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: good for Josh. While Josh developed into a fully because

1490
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: he needed a guy he could lean on. He didn't

1491
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: want to look everywhere, He didn't have time to look everywhere.

1492
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: He didn't want to you know, he wanted a guy

1493
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: that he could throw it to, even if it wasn't

1494
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: exactly the right read. Steph Diggs was that guy. He

1495
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 2: was highly productive here. Now you need to maximize Josh.

1496
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: You need to have the defense not know who that

1497
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: key guy is, and Josh can pre snap and post snap.

1498
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: Just decide where you stink defensively and take advantage of it.

1499
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: The matchup you want, the route concept we want against

1500
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: the matchup we want, and we win. And that's where

1501
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: they're at now. That evolution has happened, and they to

1502
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: be very I think Josh outgrew the need for a

1503
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: number one. You need a number one because quarterback doesn't

1504
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: want to make three reads. You need one read so

1505
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: I can throw it and get rid of it. Well.

1506
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: With this offensive line, this running back, this group of wideouts,

1507
01:16:52,880 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: and this quarterback, you can't sack Josh. So if the

1508
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: defense a matchup and go deeper onder your offense than

1509
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 2: they can go on defense, you win, and they proved

1510
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: it last year. So they've evolved into this because of

1511
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 2: where their quarterback is and where their offensive line is

1512
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: and their philosophy of building their offensive roster. They're right

1513
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 2: where they want to be. They don't need, they don't

1514
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: want that number one guy because they don't want you

1515
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: to know who their best your best guy is, or

1516
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 2: who they're who our best guy is, so to speak.

1517
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: That's David deliberately developed this offense to be exactly what

1518
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: it is now and it paid off in in big

1519
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 2: time numbers last year.

1520
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: Back on the tweetsheet, Andrews says the story he wants

1521
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 1: to hear from Bill's training camp is that Landon Jackson

1522
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: is healthy and good to go. He said as much

1523
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: in an interview over the weekend. He said, it'll be

1524
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: good for camp and as we told you last week

1525
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: when he got put on active pup for an undisclosed injury,

1526
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: usually when a player is placed on active pup, more

1527
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: often than not it is a minor injury in nature.

1528
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: Because it was going to be for a respectable length

1529
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: of time. They would put them on reserve pup where

1530
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: they don't take up a roster spot, and essentially would

1531
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: miss the first four games of the season. Active pup

1532
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: still count towards a roster spot, and as soon as

1533
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: you pass physical you're back on the practice field. So

1534
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: if he misses any time at all, hopefully it's a

1535
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: day or two and he's back out there working his

1536
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: way back in. So hopefully his characterization of being good

1537
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 1: to go for camp proves to be the case. Because

1538
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: there's another guy that you know, you were saying, Hey,

1539
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: we want to see the defense take a noticeable step

1540
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: forward from where they were last year when they really

1541
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: didn't help the offense with the one exception of taking

1542
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: the ball away. This guy is a part of making

1543
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,879
Speaker 1: that better, you know, So yeah, having him healthy is important.

1544
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: Rita on the tweets sheet says, I want some heartfelt

1545
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: family story for Hard Knocks to come to the surface

1546
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: that we don't know yet, kind of like the Ray

1547
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: Davis story. Yeah, that'd be good.

1548
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 2: I can live with that.

1549
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: I I know the coaches will be all too happy

1550
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: if Hard Knocks is focused on feature stories and people's

1551
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: backgrounds rather than what's going on in the meeting rooms.

1552
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: You think, yeah, oh yeah, go do that feature, Go

1553
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: get him, Go talk to mom and dad.

1554
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 2: Get a story about the pet lad.

1555
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a different one, but that's good.

1556
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm with it.

1557
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joshua on the tweets sheet, says Coleman, turning it

1558
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: up a notch. Being explosive off the line and getting

1559
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: open just about every route. That's easier said than done.

1560
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: And the guy to my left can speak to that

1561
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: better than I can. But when you're bigger receiver, Steve,

1562
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: there is a bigger target for the corner to hit

1563
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: off the line and jam if necessary. That's not that

1564
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: everybody's playing press mantl the time, but you know what

1565
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean.

1566
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: One of the first things I when I briefly, when

1567
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: I get asked to go to camps and this and

1568
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 2: that and the other wide receivers, and they start to

1569
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: split these guys up early in their life. Used to

1570
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 2: be you played defensive back, and he played offense, and

1571
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: he played wide receiver, and he played safe, he played safety.

1572
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: Now they're they're specializing these guys that are not much

1573
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: earlier age. And the thing that young receivers have to

1574
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: learn to do, and I'll get the reason I'm telling

1575
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: you this. They have to learn very early that you

1576
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: always hear about DB's who are like these physical guys.

1577
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 2: And my advice is always listen, don't don't think that's

1578
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 2: a one way street. The wide receiver can be just

1579
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: as physical with the dB as the DF is with them.

1580
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: So don't be afraid to fight the guy at the

1581
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: lion of scrimmage and a guy like Keon let's see,

1582
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: you know, long arms, long arms, strong, and he's got

1583
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: a leverage, so you use that. So these coaches and

1584
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: at the pro level will tell you, hey, that dB

1585
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: thinks he's a big beat he beat him up, beat him, Senselesly,

1586
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 2: let's go. You want if he wants to come up

1587
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: and be all up physical and tell him it's going

1588
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 2: to be a long day and he's going to be

1589
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: hurting after it. So you can be as physical with

1590
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: the defensive back as they are trying to be with you,

1591
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 2: and a lot of times that catches him off guard.

1592
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 2: And when you when that's your gift, big physicality. Yeah,

1593
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: it really helps you in the back end of a route.

1594
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: If you slap the taste out of the guy's mouth

1595
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 2: at the front end of the route. It helps. So

1596
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: that's one of the things like a guy like Keon

1597
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: can really use to his advantage. He's so big and

1598
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 2: so strong, you know, five ten corner coming up there,

1599
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, less than two hundred punds coming after to

1600
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 2: face him up. Dion can push him around and big,

1601
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: you know, kind of big brother him a little bit.

1602
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 2: That's something that young players have to learn to do sometimes,

1603
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe at the higher levels where Dion played,

1604
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: I mean, where Keon played and all that. It's it's

1605
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: he already knows that, but you got to do it.

1606
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: You got to do it, and I think that's one

1607
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: thing that'll help him.

1608
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: Connor on the tweets sheets that the new Bills rookies

1609
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: are standing out of training camp. This team has made

1610
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: a shift to getting younger. The heavy investment in the

1611
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: defense is proof of that. Looking for Hairston, Sanders and

1612
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: Jackson to make a name for themselves. Two sleepers are

1613
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 1: handcock and strong. Yeah, I mean, it was a defense

1614
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: heavy draft. As we know, five of the first six

1615
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: picks were on defense, and those guys, some even more

1616
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: than others, are going to be on the field a lot,

1617
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: certainly through training camp most likely and through most of

1618
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: the preseason because they got to get those guys as

1619
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 1: many reps as they can, especially some of those defensive

1620
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: linemen who are going to be needed to help fill

1621
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: the void left by the veteran players Hoyt and Ogan

1622
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: Jobi who are going to be on a six game suspension.

1623
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get some young players a lot

1624
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: of reps to have them as ready as possible for

1625
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: their first NFL seas because they're gonna need them.

1626
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd love it if coming out of training camp,

1627
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 2: people are going, I don't know if we got room

1628
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 2: for Hoyt and Ogan Jobi. These guys are really good.

1629
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 2: You know that kind of thing, right, be a good

1630
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 2: problem that it'd be a nice problem to have six

1631
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: weeks later. You know, you're looking at Hoyt coming back,

1632
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: Ogan Jobey coming back. He're going, I don't know, we're

1633
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: doing pretty good without them, you know that kind of thing.

1634
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: You may hear some of that, but that would be great.

1635
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 2: Brownie's right, though, this is a team that did and

1636
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: you said it earlier. This offseason, they've made a concerted

1637
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: effort to get younger and more athletic and on the

1638
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: back end and the front of their defense. We'll see

1639
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: if it pays off.

1640
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they stay healthy.

1641
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: That's a story. You should hear about it if it's happening.

1642
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: If they did it, you're gonna hear about that early

1643
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: in camp, that will be a story.

1644
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: And even if they do get nicked, hopefully the younger

1645
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: bodies recover faster. That kind of thing. Andy on the

1646
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: tweets sheet says, Milano makes it through camp healthy, defense

1647
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: can be really good this year. I think everybody's hoping

1648
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: they get a full healthy season from Matt Mulano because

1649
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 1: if you do who it makes a difference. We've seen it,

1650
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: but that has not been the case each of the

1651
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 1: last two seasons. And you know, to Andy's point, he

1652
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: did make it through training camp healthy. It was right

1653
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: before the season started that he has a non contact

1654
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, bicep tendon injury on the practice field here.

1655
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: After we got back from camp, I was like, man alive, seriously.

1656
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: But you noticed him in the playoffs. You know, he

1657
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: came back with i want to say, five games left

1658
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: in the season. You noticed him when they got to

1659
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He was back to being an impact player

1660
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: against Denver and he even had a decent game against

1661
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:38,839
Speaker 1: Kansas City.

1662
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: Late in the season in weeks I was just watching

1663
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: it today the week seventeen to the Jets. The Jets game.

1664
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 2: Late in the game, Wilson fumbles for the Jets and

1665
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: Milano's like fifteen yards away from the ball. He's the

1666
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: first guy there. I mean, he just turns it on.

1667
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: He beat Rogers is like six yards from the ball

1668
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: and Matt Mulano is literally twelve yards from the ball

1669
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: and he gets there before Rogers can get there and

1670
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 2: recovers it. He's down by contact, but he runs it

1671
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 2: into the end zone. Huge play in the game, and

1672
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: that was late in the season. So he You know,

1673
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: that guy can make a difference when he's healthy. He's

1674
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: a he just he's just always around it. Yeah, he's

1675
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 2: always in the middle of whatever's going on in the field.

1676
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: He make plays that way, and that's what he does.

1677
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: He's a playmaker.

1678
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: We would all welcome a renaissance season from Matt Milano

1679
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: fully healthy. Got to take a break here, one final

1680
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: segment to go. Will rip out some final thoughts on

1681
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet when we return. In terms of your

1682
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: story that you want to hear from Bill's training camp

1683
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 1: next here on one of Bill's.

1684
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 7: Live stay with us, all Right, some final thoughts on a.

1685
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Tweetsheet from you In terms of the story you want

1686
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: to see at Bill's training camp, Jack says, interested in

1687
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: the battles on the defensive line, specifically the d line

1688
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: rotation and the rookie capitol spent there. Walker will be

1689
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: a dude. Does Bosa get healthy, do ed and day

1690
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: Quon rebound? How about Javon Solomon? Also dying to see

1691
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: if Bishop can grab hold of a safety spot or

1692
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: does Hamlin or Forrest lock it down. Yeah, I mean

1693
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: all indications are Bosa is going to be ready for

1694
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: the start of training camp, So hopefully that is the case.

1695
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean that was the prognosis when the calf injury

1696
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: was first reported and he missed the spring.

1697
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 2: It's they're kind of in the same boat they were

1698
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: when they were looking for a guy and they got

1699
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: Von Miller to sign. They need a guy, they need

1700
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 2: a game wrecker. They do not have one up front yet.

1701
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: Rousseau's been on the cusp. He's getting better and better,

1702
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 2: and we've talked about it before. Rousseau has done nothing

1703
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 2: but improve his entire career, but he's got he still

1704
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: needs to take that step. He needs to be that guy.

1705
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: And Bosa has proven he can be that guy and

1706
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 2: is that guy when he's healthy, and that's been too

1707
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: too infrequent. So they need a guy to come in

1708
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 2: and just wreck the game and take it over on defense.

1709
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: And we'll see if Bosa can do that. That would

1710
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: be the one big thing that you would love to see.

1711
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 2: But as with any player like that, like we're talking

1712
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 2: with Milano, Yeah he's great, but man, a man, you

1713
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: always live with that little voice behind your head saying

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 2: he's got to stay healthy. He's got to stay healthy.

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01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 2: He's going to stay healthy. Is he going to be

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01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 2: there when we really need him? Is he gonna be

1717
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: on the field when we really need him because he's hurt?

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01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: If you know, we'll see that's something you're never gonna

1719
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 2: get over until they prove you wrong.

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01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 1: From Ebe on the tweets sheet Ken Caiden Year three,

1721
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: expect Expectations versus Reality. Yeah, when you're a first round pick,

1722
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna have high expectations and there were and I

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01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: think he met a lot of them in his rookie

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01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty three with a seventy three catch

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01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: season and then there was a drop off. You know,

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01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: there were I mean he's not the only guy that

1727
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: had a sophomore slump last year. I mean c J.

1728
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: Stroud's play went down from what it was as a

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01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: rookie the year before, and they were a handful of

1730
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: other players in the league. It was injuries that really

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01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: curbed his production. So staying healthy's job one, and I

1732
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: think if that happens, then the production will follow. I

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01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: really do. I mean, he's he's too talented not to

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01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: be productive, I guess, is my best way of putting.

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01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like I said, he's he Milano Bosa. All

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01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: these guys when they stay healthy, they're really enticing players

1737
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: and guys you want to have on the field. You

1738
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: just want to make sure they can do it weekend,

1739
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:43,520
Speaker 2: week out, month in month out, regular season and postseason.

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01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 2: All those guys have something to prove like that.

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01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joey. On the tweets, she says, I want to

1742
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: hear about the drastic improvement in our special teams. I

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01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: firmly believe that this unit is what has kept us

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01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: from getting past KC. I also want to celebrate James

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01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: Cook's extension also, Steve, do you think I'm the only

1746
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: one who waves back at you at the start of

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01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: the show?

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01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: Probably?

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01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: Steve usually waves at the.

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01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: End of the show, which he's both at the beginning

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01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: end of the year, which he's gonna do now.

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01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: Hopefully Special Teams is much improved with new coordinator Chris Tabor.

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01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see it all developed. That's it

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Speaker 1: for us today. We'll see you tomorrow.