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Speaker 1: Last Hello, and welcome to my Favorite Murder.

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Speaker 2: That's Georgia Hardstar. That's Karen Kilgariff, and we're here to

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Speaker 2: podcast for you on.

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Speaker 1: Video, breaking news, podcasting, breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts are on video now for fucking reason.

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Speaker 2: And that's actually what breaking news is these days, because

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Speaker 2: there's no more local news in America.

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Speaker 1: We refuse. You're right, yeah, Okay, for a second, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy. I know, I didn't look at anything today,

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Speaker 1: so I'm feeling I'm feeling like I forgot everything that's

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Speaker 2: I know it's going right. Do you want me to

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Speaker 2: tell you about You have something to show me? So

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Speaker 2: I spend, according to my phone and hours on tikto

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Speaker 2: don't ever look that's really shocking. Yeah, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: my favorite thing that happened recently is a little kind

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Speaker 2: of like a three part story. Okay, and it's going

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Speaker 2: to start out with I'm going to show you a

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Speaker 2: TikTok and we have to change the music, of course,

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Speaker 2: because this is going to go on Netflix. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: the real music is a song that you and I

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Speaker 2: both love by the rapper Armani White. That's the Billie

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Speaker 2: Eilish song.

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Speaker 1: Love that song. You see that video and she brings

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Speaker 1: it out on stage and say singing together and I

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Speaker 2: It's so cute and the audience goes so crazy.

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Speaker 1: Hilly Eilish so much.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she's the best, deserves a song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So there's an incredible volleyball player at cal State Northridge.

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Speaker 1: The matten Doors parents went. For real, I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 2: I did a nooner at Northridge one time with Greg

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Speaker 2: Barren and somebody else. You have to go to the

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Speaker 2: cafeteria and do stand up comedy at noon while Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: That's where my parents went. Yes, yes, so that's where

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Speaker 1: right now they met. Yeah, okay, so.

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Speaker 2: There's a So there's a very viral volleyball player who

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Speaker 2: is amazing at volleyball, but he also does like full

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Speaker 2: ony slay queen style gestures once he gets a point.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, it is so great and people

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Speaker 2: are loving it. So let me show it up and

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Speaker 2: we're going to have the original music, but we'll put

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Speaker 2: in other music.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Oh he does the neck walk away eh oh, oh

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Speaker 2: His name right, Jordan Lucas. His older brother was a

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Speaker 2: volleyball star as well. I think they said his dad was.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm like an expert on him.

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Speaker 1: Let's tell people who aren't watching on Netflix. He's doing

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Speaker 1: these like moves as soon as he hits well.

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Speaker 2: Go to TikTok. He's all over TikTok. It's basically what

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Speaker 2: everyone is looking at. But he's spiking the ball. He's

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Speaker 2: jumping what looks like five feet in the air, spiking

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Speaker 2: the ball, getting the point, and then basically doing a

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Speaker 2: little RuPaul's drag race move to be like slay Mama.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like walk away, fucking head twists, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Kind of in your face. So this is starting to

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Speaker 2: build in popularity on social media. And then Seasun has

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Speaker 1: Oh so it's where my parents went versus where I'm from.

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Speaker 2: Where they raised you. And at Irvine, one of the

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Speaker 2: color commentators says, I'm surprised nobody has popped Jordan Lucas. Yet.

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Speaker 2: What he's doing on that cord is distasteful. He isn't

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Speaker 2: standing there screaming like that. He literally goes like that.

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Speaker 2: to the Armani White song. I think it's called Billy Eylish.

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Speaker 2: That's how I know it, Bitch, I'm stylish. Basically, this

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Speaker 1: This is where he went to the fucking he went

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Speaker 2: Next fucking game, and was like, I'd seen all these

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to see it for myself, and I did,

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Speaker 1: You're about to start crying. First of all, I want

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Speaker 2: You're about to start crying, because well, what I was

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Speaker 2: and it's kind of like, here's the posse that's rolling

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Speaker 2: up for Jordan Lucas and symbolically tough guy rapper whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's basically like I'm here on his behalf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so touching, it's beautiful. Wow, do you have

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Speaker 1: more video to show me? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean there is another one, and this one is

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Speaker 1: God, what if Beyonce is in the fucking oh audience

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Speaker 2: He just tips it over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love it, right, Oh my god. Can we

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Speaker 1: start podcasting like that so that like maybe they'll show

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Speaker 1: up to exactly write studios. Yeah, next time I give

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Speaker 2: It's almost like when you're so good you can't control

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Speaker 2: and that's part of what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's called personality.

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Speaker 1: I love it. That's a feel good story. Yeah, good

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Speaker 1: job speaking of breaking news and going in a completely

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Speaker 1: different direction. Oh okay, but also you know, in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you have anything else? You haven't seen

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Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, we'll do it rewatch talk down video. Okay, great, Okay,

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Speaker 1: When have we ever followed through with the plans that

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Speaker 2: such a good show. It's delightful.

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Speaker 2: And this week on Deer Movies, I Love You our

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Speaker 2: movie podcast, Millian Casey revisit the post apocalyptic nineties ROMP

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Speaker 2: But Wow, We've been doing this Flora decade. But Hazel

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Speaker 2: Today, I'm telling you about the story of Hazel ying Lie.

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Speaker 2: This is the year after Amelia Earhart and some of

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Speaker 2: and this, It's going to be amazing.

439
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: That sounds so cool.

440
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: But of course these moments are few and far between,

441
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: because the wasps are constantly on assignment, often flying seven

442
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: days a week with no rest. And over the next year,

443
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: Hazel and the other wasps will deliver more than twelve thousand,

444
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: five hundred aircrafts to one hundred and twenty two bases

445
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: all across the country. They also tow the shooting targets

446
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: for artillery training, a dangerous job that so basically it's

447
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: like something is flying up there and it's like they're

448
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: towing like a flag or something that they have to

449
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: hit with machine gun.

450
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: No, it's like putting an apple on your head and

451
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: someone has to shoot it. No, thank you, Let.

452
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: The gals go do it. The wasps will go to it.

453
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

454
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: They also help carry out mission simulations and a huge

455
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: part of the job is transporting war battered airplanes, some

456
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: without working navigation systems, back to bases to be repaired.

457
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

458
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: So they end up learning to guide themselves by spotting

459
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: landmarks on the ground. They have to be their own

460
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: GPS because most of the job is flying damaged planes

461
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: from bases to mechanics, engine and system failures are dangerous.

462
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: It's so fucking dangerous, and that's a reality they just

463
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: have to constantly deal with. So there's a story where

464
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: one time Hazel is transporting a plane it goes down

465
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: over a Kansas cornfield and she is able to like

466
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: there's emergency landing she survives it, but then the farmer

467
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: whose property she lands on thinks that she is a

468
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: Japanese enemy, and he chases her down with a pitchfork

469
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: and traps her and basically they hold her hostage until

470
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: his son can call the local army base and prove

471
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: that she actually is an American. Holy shit, which you know,

472
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: when she got back to the base, she got drunk

473
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 2: and told everyone that story. Hulair's I mean, sorry, I'm

474
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: editorializing on this person, but it's just like you get

475
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: that vibe from her where she's like, I got this. Yeah,

476
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure she was just like sorry, first of all,

477
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm Chinese. Just for starters, just for starters. So after

478
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: all that, Hazel and the other wasps, of course, receive

479
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: little recognition for their bravery and dedication to the war effort. Actually,

480
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: they're treated with outright hostility by the male military personnel

481
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: on the basis that they end up having to work at.

482
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: Being a pilot in World War Two, of course, is

483
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: seen as this very serious badge of honor. So many

484
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: of the men have a real problem seeing women in

485
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: the cockpit. I think we have a picture of Hazel

486
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: in the cockpit working with somebody that just like, oh wow,

487
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: uh huh so badass. He seems nice. Look at the

488
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: look on her face. She's just like, yeah, I know,

489
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: I know how.

490
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: To I'm a pilot.

491
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: Two sir, pilot, two sir. So their grit and bravery

492
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: and sacrifice are just, of course dismissed outright. Even though

493
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: dozens of wasps make the ultimate sacrifice in the line

494
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: of duty. Over the length of the WASP program, thirty

495
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: seven female pilots die serving in the United States.

496
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: Holy shit, that's a lot, especially because it's not on

497
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: the battlefield or would you call it in the warp thing.

498
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're doing all this dangerous stuff and they're

499
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: flying like broken planes.

500
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Ye.

501
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: Hazel Yingli is one of those people.

502
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh No.

503
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: In late November nineteen forty four, she has to deliver

504
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: an aircraft from Niagara Falls, New York to Great Falls, Montana,

505
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: and as she approaches Great Falls, a radio dispatch comes

506
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: through warning her that the airstrip is busy and she

507
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: has to delay her landing. She pulls her plane upwards,

508
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: not knowing there's another plane directly above her that pilot

509
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: was sent the same message, but his radio was broken.

510
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: He does not change course, so she flies thinking that

511
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: everyone's flying the same way because they all write. The

512
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: two planes collide in a fiery crash. Somehow Hazel actually

513
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: survives this crash, but she dies later at the hospital

514
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day. She's just thirty two years old. My god,

515
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: and sadly and horribly, her younger brother, Victor, who was

516
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: serving in the war in France, dies in combat the

517
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: same week.

518
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

519
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hazel is not given a military funeral. The government

520
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: doesn't even pay to transport her body back home to

521
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: Oregon or cover any of the funeral expenses. And when

522
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: Hazel's loved ones try to secure a specific burial plot

523
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: for her that looks out over the Willamelet River, they're

524
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: told that Hazel cannot be buried there because she's not white.

525
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: Of course, her family's i rate. They file suit against

526
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: the cemetery, and the details are fuzzy on like the

527
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: step by step of it. What we know for sure

528
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: now is that Hazel today is buried at this site,

529
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: and she is buried next to her Wow. Yeah, So

530
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: it takes a very long time for the Women Air

531
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: Force Service pilots to receive any recognition at all for

532
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: their service, but as the years pass after the war,

533
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: interest and admiration in the group grows. In nineteen seventy seven,

534
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: President Jimmy Carter finally gives the WASP military benefits and

535
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: veteran status, and much later, in two thousand and nine,

536
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: President Barack Obama awards the surviving wasps the Congressional Gold

537
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: Medal WOW. At the signing ceremony, he says, quote the

538
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: women Air Force Service pilots courageously answered their country's call

539
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: in a time of need, while blazing a trail for

540
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: the brave women who have given and continue to give

541
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: so much service to this nation. Since every American should

542
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: be grateful for their service, and I'm honored to sign

543
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: this bill to finally give them some of the hard

544
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: earned recognition they deserve. Miss him end quote. I mean, remember,

545
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: Presidents No. Hazel ying Lee's legacy now looms large, reflected

546
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: in recent museum exhibits, books, documentaries, and in March of

547
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: twenty two five, composer Derrek Wang debuts and opera that

548
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: he wrote about Hazel's life, entitled Fearless.

549
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: Oh My God.

550
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 2: Her memory lives on with those who knew her and

551
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: who loved her with a fellow wasp telling the Associated

552
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: Press that quote. I'm sure she would be some kind

553
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: of leader.

554
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: Now.

555
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: We enjoyed her so very much.

556
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: She would have been such a cool grandma, Grandma, what

557
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: did you do during the war. I flew, I smoked fucking.

558
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: Smerollies, smoking some rolies.

559
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: I wore great outfits, and I fucking flew planes. Oh

560
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: and I was scared of nothing. Hazel's sister, Francis, has

561
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: spoken publicly about her sister many many times over the years,

562
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 1: and in a PBS organ documentary, she says that her

563
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: sister Hazel was destined for greatness. It was in her

564
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: name because her Chinese name Ying means heroic, and that's

565
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: the story of trailblazing pilot Hazel Yingle. Oh my god, right,

566
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: that was incredible.

567
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: I never I've never heard of her. I've heard of

568
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: the wasps a little bit, but not in detail of Like,

569
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: these are women volunteering and giving everything and there's people

570
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: being like thanks, go home.

571
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: It's historical. Yeah, that was incredible. I'm going to go

572
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: in a different direction.

573
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty common.

574
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: But you're gonna like this one great because it's a

575
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: high story. Oh love, I love a good high.

576
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Story love a heist.

577
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: So did you know that LA used to be the

578
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: bank robbery capital of the world.

579
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: I would think it would be Fort Knox or somewhere

580
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: like that.

581
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it is now, but it used to be. Yeah,

582
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: so congratulations to us.

583
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: Was it like the downtown era when everything was down there?

584
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: That's where we're at today, reading my mind. So it's

585
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: just past midnight on Saturday, September twelfth, nineteen ninety seven,

586
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: and we are at the nondescript warehouse of the Dunbar

587
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: Armored Depot. And do you know Dunbar trucks. It's like

588
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: the Brinks truck. Yeah, it's another one of those brands

589
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: of moving lots and lots of cash around in an

590
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: armored truck. Okay, And so the Dunbar Armored Depot is

591
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: in downtown Los Angeles and kind of the warehouse area.

592
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Not much going on around there, and that's where Dunbar's

593
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: armored trucks are loaded and unloaded as an intermediate stop

594
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: between wherever the cash is coming from and wherever it's going.

595
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: So like you know, where they take the cash and

596
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: then put it into the ATMs. It stops there in

597
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: between gets counted gets.

598
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I think I've seen a

599
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: terrible Guy Ritchie movie about this place.

600
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: Really.

601
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, instead of robbing a bank or robbing a

602
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: Brinks truck, we're going to go into where they have

603
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: the money. This is exactly what the plan is here.

604
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's Friday night, and Friday nights into Saturday

605
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: morning are one of the busiest ships because it's where

606
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: the most cash is being moved in and out of

607
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: the vault, you know, for the weekends to go to

608
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: those ATMs. In fact, it's so busy that the staff

609
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: just keeps the vault door open this time instead of

610
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: opening and closing it just to kind of bring all

611
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: the money. And like they're bringing so much in that

612
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: that extra step of opening closing the door isn't going to.

613
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Work for them. Yeah, whose suggestion was that?

614
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: And even though we're talking about more cash being handled

615
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: than a bank would have over one hundred million dollars,

616
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's also less security than in a bank,

617
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: and in fact, the ship has the fewest number of

618
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: security guards scheduled to work, even though it's the most

619
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: amount of money. It's not great common sense plans that

620
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: out logistically exactly, And I guess it makes sense because

621
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, of course a bank would have more

622
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: security because people off the street can come in. It's

623
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: not like this warehouse where only employees can go in.

624
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: But still, it's so much fucking money.

625
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: It's just money, money.

626
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: But there is one security guard working and he's in

627
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: the lunch room taking his lunch break. But the CCTV

628
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: monitors are in there as well, so he's keeping an

629
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: eye on what's going on. He sees no sign of

630
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: anyone trying to enter the facility, so he's taken completely

631
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: off guard when five men dressed in all black, wearing

632
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: ski masks, burst into the lunch room with guns drawn.

633
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: This is the story of what was until very recently,

634
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: the largest cash robbery in US history, one that the

635
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: perpetrators very nearly got away with if it weren't for

636
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: some very rookie mistakes. This is the dunbar armored Depot heist. Hell. Yes.

637
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: The main source for the story is an episode of

638
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: the show History's Greatest Heists hosted by Pierce Brosnan Cute

639
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty Medium article by Alissa Kelly Rose,

640
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: and the other sources can be found on our show notes.

641
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: So the heightst starts and ends with a Dunbar employee

642
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: named Alan Pace. He's twenty seven years old from a

643
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: middle class family in Compton. He has no criminal record.

644
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: He actually works at the depot as a security specialist,

645
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: and that's what his career has been up to then,

646
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: is like various security jobs. He has idly toyed with

647
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: the idea of how he might rob the facility, but

648
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: not with any series business. And it's kind of his

649
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: job to know how someone would rob the facility, So

650
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: it's not that weird.

651
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: Also, don't you think about that every time you see

652
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: like a Brinks truck horse, We're just kind of like,

653
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: why are they just standing outside?

654
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: I did this on that? Yeah, exactly. And he's an

655
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: affable guy. He's a jokestore. Everyone seems to love him.

656
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: And at some point he starts dating a coworker who's

657
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: also on the security staff, a woman named Timiko Carns.

658
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: And while they're both in security, Alan's job revolves around

659
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: inspecting the trucks, while Tamiko's is monitoring the video security system,

660
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: and no one really knows how seriously Alan and Tamiko

661
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: discuss the idea of perpetrating this robbery. But what we

662
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: do know is that in July of nineteen ninety seven,

663
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Tamiko gets fired under suspicion of theft. She's seen on

664
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: a security camera placing a money bag in a known

665
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: camera blind spot. It's all allegedly. It's totally not clear

666
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: she actually was going to steal anything, or if she

667
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: had any plans to or even knew about this heist

668
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: at all, And she was never to trial or anything

669
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: like that, So just want to make that clear. But

670
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: what does happen is she gets fired for this security breach,

671
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: whether it's on purpose or not. And this is what

672
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: kind of sends Alan pace into a talespin with the

673
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: idea of like, fuck this place, I'm going to actually

674
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: see I can do a heist. So in August of

675
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, Alan starts by recruiting friends. None of

676
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: them have ever robbed any kind of security disciplined before,

677
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: none of them even have criminal records. They're all like

678
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: nice boys who go to church and come from nice,

679
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: respectable families. They're all just Alan's buddies. The first one

680
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: he calls is a childhood friend named Eugene Hill and

681
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: another one named Freddie McCreery junior. So Eugene Hill, Freddie,

682
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: and Alan have all known each other since they were

683
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: around ten years old. So Alan is like, these are

684
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: guys I can absolutely trust and they won't tell anyone.

685
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: And Freddie also works as a security guard, so he

686
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: has relevant experience. And then Alan also recruits a man

687
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: named Terry Brown, also a security guard. So Alan, Freddie,

688
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: and Terry have all worked together on private security jobs

689
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: at like events and nightclubs. They've done some bouncer work

690
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So one day after church, the

691
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: group gather around in the parking lot and start drawing

692
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: out a plan and chalk on the pavement, and Alan

693
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: is showing them all how the facility works, kind of

694
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: the layout of the whole place, noting where each camera

695
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: is and where the team will have to walk in

696
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: order to not show up on those monitors. So there

697
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: is like, you know, you're like up against the wall

698
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: like super Burglar style, you know, like the spotlight goes

699
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: in front and then you run and running around to

700
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: the next one. Yeah, exactly, like that exactly, And it

701
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: seems like they do it in broad daylight in the

702
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: church parking lot, and then other parishers like, don't suspect anything.

703
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: These are good boys, not a church yea. And so

704
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: later he recruits an additional man named Tommy Johnson. So next,

705
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: while Alan is at work, he starts taking polaroids around

706
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: the facility of every room and every camera. But he's

707
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: a security guard, so it doesn't seem weird. It's almost

708
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: like it seems.

709
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: Like he's just doing research.

710
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, takes photos of his like coworkers who are just.

711
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I love Alice capturing, Like where the love Alan? Yeah, Alan,

712
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: You're so great.

713
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Nobody like suspects Alan. He's Alan. And he uses these

714
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: polarids to create a detailed floor plan with visual references

715
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: so the rest of the group will know exactly where

716
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: they're going. So there are twenty five cameras but only

717
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: around six monitors, so they kind of just like bop

718
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: in and out of like whatever camera is on, you

719
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Sure, So he shows his crew everything.

720
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: He instructs them on how to travel so that they

721
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: never show up in the feeds that are on the

722
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: monitor at the moment. It's kind of a lot of

723
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: choreography and it takes some time so the plan is

724
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: to keep practicing this choreography until September. That's when they're

725
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: gonna do the heist. So Alan's original plan is to

726
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: not participate in the heist at all, since he works there.

727
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: He gives them such detailed information and they have such

728
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: a long time that they should be able to do

729
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: on their own without him even being there. He goes

730
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: to bed, he wakes up the next morning and goes

731
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: to work, and he's just as shocked as everyone else

732
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: that the place got burgled.

733
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: So it's plausible deniability exactly. He's kind of building anything

734
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: where it's like he doesn't have to worry about seeming guilty.

735
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: Right exactly, So he's basically the plan is for him

736
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: to give them the key because he has the keys

737
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: to the place because he's a security guard there. Yeah,

738
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: and then they go and do it. So that is

739
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: a great plan until early September when Alan gets fired. Oh,

740
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: he gets a call saying he's been fired because he's

741
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: suspected of tampering with trucks and that he'll need to

742
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: come back in and hand in his key. And so

743
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Alan decides it's now or ever. We got to do

744
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: this earlier that we planned, but I have to get

745
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: rid of my key, so we have to do this.

746
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: And also he's like, all, come along with you guys now,

747
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: since we haven't had as much time as we need

748
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: and I know the layout so well.

749
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: I just got to say, first of all, do you

750
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: think it a place like that? They do they replace

751
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: the locks every time they fire somebody? I bet they don't.

752
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Probably not, because you could just get a copy.

753
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: Right, isn't that the thing and the other heist movies.

754
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: So they shove it into some clay or whatever.

755
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: There's all those keys that say like, do not copy.

756
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many of those copied.

757
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, no one gives a single shit. It's

758
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: like it's a shit, No, what is this for the landlord?

759
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: Yes? Exactly.

760
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Feel like for a place like that, it would be

761
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: interesting just to know, because this is pre tech anything, right,

762
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: It's like everybody's on their honor, and then when you're

763
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: firing people and they're like, yeah, well fuck you totally.

764
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: Like there's not like the badges that you have to

765
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: like sign in and out with. It's just a key, a.

766
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: Key, but like, yeah, hundreds of millions of dollars, so

767
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: much money.

768
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: So he also then recruits one more person, his brother

769
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: in law named Eric Boyd. So on the night of Friday,

770
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: September twelfth, they're like, it has to be tonight. The

771
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: group splits up into two vehicles. Some ride in Eugene

772
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: Hill's car and some ride in a U haul that

773
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: they had run earlier in the day. They don't go

774
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: straight to the depot. Here's what they do. There is

775
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: a friend having a house party in Long Beach, so

776
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: they go to the house party and they're like, what's

777
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: up everyone, it's.

778
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: Us, Yes, there are We're here at the house party.

779
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: Exactly, and then are on eleven forty five. They all

780
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: like tiptoe irish goodbye. Yes, get into the car and

781
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: to the U haul and drive to the depot.

782
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: Right does everyone's getting a little slurry exactly, Yeah.

783
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: Exact art. And so to get to downtown LA. They

784
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: park on a nearby street and then they drive the

785
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: U haul up to the depot. Everyone changes into all

786
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: black clothing and puts on those ski masks. And then Eric,

787
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: the brother in laws, days behind with the U haul.

788
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: So and the Jew, sorry for your heist. Yeah, would

789
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: you be the driver? Would you be?

790
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: I'd be the getaway driver would be the getaway driver.

791
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, what do you think? What would you be.

792
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: Too, bossie? I have to be and you can get charged.

793
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: I can't let other people fuck my high step.

794
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: I would trust you to be in charge, thank you.

795
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: And I would definitely be like, no one is the

796
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: driver with me. Oh I would not fucking person to

797
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: be the driver, No way.

798
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: But I also would absolutely know you would get us

799
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: out of there. Oh my god, absolutely, especially downtown LA.

800
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm baby driver, that's my nickname. That's right, I'm a

801
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: driver influencer. I'm a getaway driver influencer.

802
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: So here's how to run a red light in three

803
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: fun steps.

804
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: And then Vince can count the money because he can't

805
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: have money facing the wrong way.

806
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: He bank faces everything, so obsessed about that.

807
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: So I would trust him to count exactly how much

808
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: money there is and like be in charge of the

809
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: money and how much and getting everyone the right.

810
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, he's the banker. So the three of us,

811
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: we've done it. Ohops, let's do we just gave it away? Whoops?

812
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Cut that out. So in the parking lot, they sneak

813
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: up to the front door and the security cameras blind

814
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: spot and they use the key to open the door.

815
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: They sneak through the depots, maze of corridors, you know,

816
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: doing the thing we said again the.

817
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: Wall and I'm sorry, but the idea that they have

818
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: continual blind spots, like they're firing people for going into

819
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: the blind spots, right, not fixing the blinds. It's like

820
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: the money is still there, the issues still remain.

821
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely my okay, up against the against the wall, striped

822
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: shirt tiptoe Exaggerator, Big Tipsies. Their first destination is the

823
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: lunch room because they've timed everything around the security guard's

824
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: lunch break. This poor fucking guy just wanted to eat

825
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: a sandwich.

826
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: He's like, I microwaved this old TV dinner.

827
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: That's right, this fish dinner. And they know where he'll

828
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: be exactly at midnight, so they strike. They subdue the

829
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: security guard immediately. They get him on the ground, duck

830
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: tip his wrists together, take any of his weapons. They

831
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: also bring weapons, but they are very clear on nobody

832
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: gets hurt. You know, you can't control that always, but

833
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: that's their plan. They then take his key to the

834
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: vault prep room. Alan checks the security monitors and verifies

835
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: that there are only three people that he's expecting to

836
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: see working in the vault room. Those people he took

837
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: fucking forlarids of. But that's they proceed down the hallway.

838
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: A driver of one of the truck drivers, who's basically

839
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: a trained security guard, emerges from the vault prep room.

840
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: That's a surprise, but the driver's unarmed, and so the

841
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: group gets him on the ground and they duct tap

842
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: his wrist together, and so one member of the group

843
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: stays behind to watch the guards. And then in the

844
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: vault prep room there is one dispatcher and two bookkeepers

845
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: counting the money, doing events exactly. The group goes for

846
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: the dispatcher first because he has a panic button under

847
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: his desk, so they subdue the rest of the employees.

848
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: There is one female employee who's at the depot and

849
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: is understandably terrified, but also I think she gets her

850
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: shoulder hurt when they wrestle her to the ground, and

851
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: so she starts crying, and she hears one of the thieves,

852
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: one of the mass men say, don't worry, baby, like

853
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: calming her down, and she's like, I feel like I

854
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: know that.

855
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: Voice, like he don't worry. He's just trying to be nice.

856
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: Don't worry, baby, they're going to rob you a little

857
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: bit more exactly.

858
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: So Alan then radio's Eric, who's me back in the

859
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: U haul. He backs the U Haul into the loading dock,

860
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: and Alan starts to pick out what packages of cash

861
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: the group is going to take from the vault. He

862
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: knows to skip the crisp new bills that because they're

863
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: in sequential order and they're more traceable. And these are

864
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: big shrink wrap blocks of cash, oh, like giant blocks. Yeah,

865
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, like we're in Super Mario Brothers, like hitting

866
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: our heads on the top, and so they're shrink wrapped.

867
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: They throw them into trash bags and then throw them

868
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: into wheelbins and then stuff them all into the U

869
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: haul and the whole thing takes about only thirty minutes.

870
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: And after thirty minutes, the U haul is so full

871
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: of cash to the fucking tippy top that the whole

872
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: group isn't going to be able to fit back inside.

873
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: Oh they didn't plan that out, They sure didn't.

874
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: They got greedy, didn't they. They remove all the security footage,

875
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: include this secret security footage that you know, they shouldn't

876
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: have known about if they hadn't actually worked there then

877
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: they smashed a bunch of things around the office to

878
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: try to make it look like a more random burglary,

879
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: like they were looking for the key, you know what

880
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, yeah, they do when they pull out

881
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: the dresser drawers and stuff where it's like to make

882
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: it look like a robbery.

883
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: Yes, totally. I just keep thinking about the fact though,

884
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: that they didn't plan the ride home because also you're downtown, so.

885
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing too. Okay, They're in and out about

886
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and then they're like, there's two guys who

887
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: don't fit back into the truck. Their getaway car is like,

888
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, a few blocks away, but it's the middle

889
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: of the night in downtown LA, and it's two black

890
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: men in fucking all black and masks. Yeah, like, you're

891
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: not they're not safe. It's not safe for you to

892
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: be out there. You're going to get immediately caught. So

893
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: essentially what they do is there's other security guard who

894
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: was having his lunch. His beloved pickup truck is in

895
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: the parking lot, and this security guard is so in

896
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: love with this pickup truck that he had had one

897
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: of the cameras trained on it at all times, so

898
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: they take the keys to his truck, They get in

899
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: his truck and they take off.

900
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a little mini movie about them stealing

901
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: his truck essentially.

902
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they but they don't get caught from that

903
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: that way, because they did take all the film. So

904
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: it does work. But it also means that that security

905
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: camera wasn't on the door where it's supposed to be.

906
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: It was on his truck.

907
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: Oh he changed it, Yeah, because he's such a gearhead.

908
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: So they all go back. They made up back at

909
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Eugene's apartment. They change back into their regular clothes, and

910
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: this is really smart. They go back to the party.

911
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: Yes right, Yeah, they don't just leave at midnight.

912
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: Also, not just for their alibi, but just to party, Like,

913
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: get back there. See what the alurd wave is about.

914
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: Everyone is fucked up, but this dancing, they're so fucked up.

915
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: And they bring that U haul full of cash and

916
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: park itt right in front of the house just to

917
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: be like I'm not letting this out of my sight. Yes. Yeah,

918
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: and they're back within nine minutes of leaving the party,

919
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: so wow, I don't think anyone would have said anything.

920
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: They were like, listen, we had to go rent a

921
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: U haul really quick because we don't know we might

922
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: buy your cash this exactly, Okay.

923
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: So then afterwards there's so much fucking cash and they

924
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: didn't expect that that they bring the U haul to

925
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: a storage unit. They buy a storage unit and put

926
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: most of the cash in there. They keep just a

927
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: little bit of cash just to have just to play with, sure,

928
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: because are really aware that the way to get caught

929
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: is to start spending all that cash. Of course, so

930
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: they're careful about it. When the cops arrive to the depot,

931
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: they find in the parking lot right outside the depot

932
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: a broken piece of tail light. So I wouldn't have

933
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: done this. But when Eric pulled that U haul back

934
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: and backed it up into the he broke the tail light.

935
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: He hit something and broke a tail light. I know,

936
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: so rookie, rookie, you would not have done that. But

937
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: also that's so strange. What are the odds where it's

938
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: just probably so nervous yes, and stress style. Yeah, And

939
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: so that's the CoP's first bit of evidence. And then

940
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: they look at the lock that you know, where they

941
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: had actually used the key, but then afterwards they had

942
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: used a drill to kind of damage it. To make

943
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: it look like they got in without the key. But

944
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: the cops are like, this is obviously just to cover

945
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: up the fact that you had the key. It's probably

946
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: an employee, like immediately.

947
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: Also it's at a fucking the Brinks rival or whatever,

948
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: it's an employee.

949
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

950
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: It's the people who have to sit.

951
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: There and stare at it all day long, right, Like,

952
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: how did they know exactly where the security stuff was

953
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: to destroy it or to take it? It's not not good.

954
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: So it's not until a few days later that dunbar

955
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: officials are able to figure out how much cash is

956
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: actually missing, how much was actually stolen? Do you want

957
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: to guess how much was stolen? Yes?

958
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: I do want to. Okay, it's nineteen ninety seven, you said.

959
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so until recently, it was the largest cash robbery

960
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: in US history. So how much do you think?

961
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: Fifty nine million dollars?

962
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: See, I was going to say to you, like, don't

963
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: go overboard because it's going to sound better.

964
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: Hold on, give me a chance to go under thirty

965
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: million dollars? Wow, So two million dollars.

966
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: Eighteen point nine million dollars, Well, that's not bad. That's

967
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking money.

968
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: For just the microwave dinner. They stole that off that

969
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: guy and the truck, right, it's all they got.

970
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: However, in today's money, that eighteen point nine million dollars.

971
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: Is upwards of forty million.

972
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: Dollars thirty eight point eight million dollars.

973
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: So yes, very cool right all along turn so.

974
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: That makes it the largest cash robbery in US history

975
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: to date, and that record isn't broken until twenty twenty four. Wow.

976
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: So these guys, I think almost like they overdid it

977
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: and didn't realize it.

978
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 2: They overdid it, and they also did it without the

979
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: aid of modern technology, right, Like, they did it the

980
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: real way. They they earned it. They went to the party,

981
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: they got the U haul.

982
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: They planned it. They had chalk in a parking lot.

983
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: Doing your plan in the church parking lot's genius.

984
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And then also like only recruiting people that

985
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: you know and trust, I think is obviously yeah, huge

986
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: part of it, and that aren't criminals. They're like, this

987
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: is going to be the one thing we do. It's

988
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: going to set us up for the rest of our lives.

989
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: Never again.

990
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: Every heist movie, it's a heist movie. Come back for

991
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: just this one last one before you retire exactly.

992
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: So it was eighteen point nine million in at the time,

993
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: and the police in Dunbar keep that number out of

994
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: the press orring that copycats are going to be like, Oh,

995
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: that's how much money I can get from this easiest

996
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: fuck heist. Yeah, so just tell the press that it

997
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: was more than a million dollars that had been taken. Wow,

998
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: which is an understatement.

999
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, just that one warehouse under the overcas exactly,

1000
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: I can go down there.

1001
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: So the police and the FBI have their two main clothes,

1002
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: which is the fact that the robbers clearly used a

1003
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: key and that broken tail light. They're quickly able to

1004
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: tie that broken tail light piece back to a U

1005
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: haul truck. Stuf's pretty fucking easy. And so Alan, this

1006
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: guy who got fired recently, is immediately a suspect, with

1007
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: that one employee also saying that she recognized his voice.

1008
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't think she realized it was his voice until later.

1009
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: So he and every other employee who had quit or

1010
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: been fired recently, about thirty people all are given polygraph

1011
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: tests and Alan and his girlfriend Tamiko are the only

1012
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: two that fail. Oh but there's really no solid evidence

1013
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: that can tie Alan to the crime, and so two

1014
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: years pass where he's like, I got away with.

1015
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: This, But wouldn't you have an acid stomach the entire time?

1016
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely, especially because you took a polygraph test there like

1017
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: onto you and you know that you know it didn't

1018
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: go well. Dunbar announces that they will have an award

1019
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for anyone who

1020
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: gives them information leading to an arrest, which gives you

1021
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: a clue that it's more than around a million dollars

1022
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: that way exactly.

1023
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: You're just like, how much, Yeah, we just want that back.

1024
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: We'll give you a quarter of what They still.

1025
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: Right, but the group stays under the radar. No one

1026
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: spends a crazy amount of money, you know, they go

1027
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: to Vegas and use cash on those help under the money.

1028
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: But no one, you know, buys a pink Cadillac like

1029
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: in Goodfellas, or does anything crazy like the good Fellow's

1030
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: luptwasa heist which I covered in episode four fifty four.

1031
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: They don't do that. They're smarter than that. They find

1032
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: instead a local immigration lawyer named David Matsumoto, who along

1033
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: with his assistant, agreed to be paid a million dollars

1034
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: each to help launder the money. Oh, so they just

1035
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: find a lawyer who's willing to very smart, and so

1036
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: they do that through real estate purchases and like kind

1037
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: of small purchases. And then also they open a small

1038
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: business called Extreme Entertainment so that they're able to take

1039
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: a salary from the business and make the money look legit.

1040
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: That on the surface, the business Extreme Entertainment, which sounds

1041
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: like poor step brothers. Oh yeah, what was a stepbrother's one.

1042
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, Prestige Worldwide, thank you, Prestige Worldwide.

1043
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: Molly had that at him.

1044
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: She did that was an Aristotle came. Basically, what the

1045
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: company does on the surface is they rent party equipment

1046
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: jet skis and limos. So they are like Prestige Worldwide,

1047
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Extreme Entertainment. That's what they do, and that's how they

1048
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: launder the money. And it's also a front to pay

1049
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: the crew big salaries with the stolen money.

1050
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: And then it becomes a wonderfully successful business.

1051
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: Exactly does it, I don't know, but it seems like

1052
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: it like it would. It does seem like it would.

1053
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: On the surface, it seems like they're making a shit

1054
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: ton of money and it's all legal money, yeah, taxed

1055
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: and everything.

1056
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing it right. Unlike the rice pudding store

1057
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: in New York.

1058
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

1059
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: There was a rice pudding store that opened.

1060
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Rice to riches. I fucking have, yes, I have had

1061
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: rice pudding from those places.

1062
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: We did a field piece at Ellen. We're like, what

1063
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: you can do? This is crazy because we're just scraping

1064
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: the bottom of like what can we do for a

1065
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: field piece? And then like two years later it's like

1066
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 2: this was a front or some mafia thing.

1067
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: I was actually really surprised by that because I went

1068
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: there one time. I got rice pudding and it was

1069
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: so good that I was like, how could that be

1070
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: a front if it was so fucking good? Like, I

1071
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: was actually shocked.

1072
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's not that hard to make good

1073
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: rice pudding.

1074
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: It was tear me sea flavored rice pudding, and it

1075
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: was fucking excellent. But I also see that most people

1076
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: don't like rice pudding.

1077
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very specific. Yeah, because it feels to

1078
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 2: me like they were trying to pick something that would

1079
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: keep people away.

1080
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: The lines around the fucking block to them.

1081
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: I loved it. I was just like, this is one

1082
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: of my favorite desserts. Yeah, you know that was That's

1083
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: fucking hilarious, so extreme and where was I?

1084
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: Where are we? Okay, So this thing might have actually

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00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: gotten away with it at this point. But Eugene Hill,

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00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: the old friend, the first one who Alan brought into

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00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: the plan, makes an error, let's say, pretty big error unfortunately,

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00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: so in trying to make a down payment on a property,

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00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: because they're putting a lot of this money into real estate.

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00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: To make it look legit, he offers another lawyer one

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00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in cash, which is already suspicious, but

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00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: also he leaves the branded money strip on the one

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00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars cash that says done bar.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, the like the money, the bundling.

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00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: The bundling money paper. He doesn't take it off, and

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00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: it says Dunbar.

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00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: On it, dunbar cash and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So understandably, this lawyer is suspicion yeah, and calls the police,

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00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: probably finds out about that two hundred fifty thousand dollars reward.

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Speaker 2: Dang.

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00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: The cash is examined by the authorities and they find

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00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: that those Dunbar branded straps that still on it have

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00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: been stamped with the date they were counted, which just

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00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: so happens to be September eleventh and twelfth of nineteen

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00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: ninety seventh.

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Speaker 2: Shit.

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00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: And then when they have the name of Eugene Hill,

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00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: they able to go back into the U haul rental

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00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: records and find that it had been rented under his name.

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00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ooh.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing though about heists that I I've learned

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: over years of watching many films and maybe doing a

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00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: couple of heights myself. Human error has to get folded in. Yes,

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00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: and if we don't do that, and if people don't

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00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: think about every single possibility, we're just like, no, we're

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00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: gonna go over it again. If you're gonna spend the cash,

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00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Cut the bands off the cash,

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00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: don't be excited about bands like all those kinds of things,

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00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: which you know, if it's just a bunch of amateurs,

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Speaker 2: they can't think of every right.

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Speaker 1: So, once Eugene is arrested, police threaten him because they

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: had all agreed that if one of them gets caught,

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00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna just take the blame and go down and

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00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: them and their families will be taken care of with

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00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, that was stolen Unfortunately, Eugene is arrested

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00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: and he had been using his sister's bank account to

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00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: launder money through and so as soon as he's told

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00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: that she's going to be charged as an accomplice, he

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00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: picks his family over his friends, and he winds up

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00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: admitting to participating, and he names everyone else. Everyone is

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00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: arrested one by one, with Alan actually turning himself in

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00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: at the end. In February of two thousand.

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00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: Can I just say that that was clearly Eugene's older sister.

1134
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: Because I was a little sister. They gotta give a shit.

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00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: He's fight me if you want. It's the older sister.

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 2: He's like, I had to turn everybody in. There's no

1137
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: coming back from this.

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really we're all scared of our older sisters.

1139
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: Were afraid of our older sisters. So when the group

1140
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: is indicted in court, this is the first time they

1141
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: hear how much money they had stolen, and I guess

1142
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: all of their faces fell because they hadn't counted all

1143
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: the money. So when they hear that they stole eighteen

1144
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: point nine million dollars, like the blood rushed out of

1145
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: all of their faces and they were like, oh, we

1146
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: are in so much trouble, you know what I mean,

1147
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: Like if they had stolen a million, I feel like

1148
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: after taxes, ye gives some of the back, but no,

1149
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: they are shocked they had never counted all the money.

1150
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: So four of the group, everyone except Alan's brother in law,

1151
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: Eric Boyd, wind up testifying against Alan. Alan pleads not guilty,

1152
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: and actually, from what I can see to this day,

1153
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: he denies being involved at all. Oh, which is interesting.

1154
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: He says that he was framed by one of the

1155
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: other defendants quote because I was messing with his wife.

1156
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: So he just refuses to take any response. He just

1157
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: says he's not involved.

1158
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. He ends up serving twenty four years in prison. Wow. Yeah, Well,

1160
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: everyone else serves about twelve years, and so that was

1161
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand ish, so he's out now.

1162
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: In the end, only around seven million dollars is ever recovered.

1163
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah. The rest of the stolen money was believed

1164
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: to have been either squandered by the robbers at gambling

1165
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: tables in Vegas, some of it was burned because they

1166
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: found that some of the bills were sequential and so

1167
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: they could get caught with him and easily traced, or

1168
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: invested in other things in other people's names. So that

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00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: big sister, you know, she's living somewhere nice. I hope, so,

1170
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I hope so too. She's the end of the movie,

1171
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: fucking living in paradise.

1172
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: And she's like, that's right, that's it. Use my bank

1173
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: account if you're not going to pay me back.

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00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: This is why you scare the shit out of your

1175
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: younger siblings from birth. Yeah, but they won't fucking route

1176
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: on you.

1177
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: Then they serve you for the rest of life, essentially.

1178
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: And actually I found in twenty twenty this producer named

1179
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: Khalib Pinkett, who is fucking Jada Peepin. It's Smith's brother. Yes,

1180
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: his production company, Like, We're going to make a movie

1181
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: out of this, but I could I didn't find anything

1182
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: any updates since then, so I'm not sure. Oh wow,

1183
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: where that went? You know how Hollywood? Yes, takes forever.

1184
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: And that is a story of the dunbar armored depot

1185
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: heist man.

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00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: That was good. Yeah, that was great. Yeah, I mean

1187
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's only a couple high stories that

1188
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: I've heard where this story is and the money's never found. Yeah,

1189
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: there's only a couple of those.

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, it was kind of a success,

1191
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: depending on how you want to look at it.

1192
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, a little bit. I feel like these days

1193
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: we used to could heist a little bit different, but

1194
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: I think these days people are just like stick it

1195
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: to the man.

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00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, these were the good guys. They were not criminals.

1197
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: They were all buddies from when they were young, working

1198
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: their asses off, and we're finally like, let's let's take

1199
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: advantage of how dumb this fucking corporation is. And also

1200
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: along the way, you're welcome for showing you like your

1201
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: security issues.

1202
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, constant security issues that you refuse to fix. It's

1203
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: just like you can't keep firing people. Yeah, apparently your

1204
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: video camera won't turn to the right or left.

1205
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: Very fair. And then let's keep in mind, of course,

1206
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: the people who were working there that night were scared

1207
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: out of their minds. They had guns pulled on them. No,

1208
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: that's not good, that's bad. They Yeah, that's a lot

1209
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: of trauma.

1210
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: That's a lot of trauma.

1211
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: And let's rethink our next heist.

1212
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: When we use ice. Yeah, let's do it in a

1213
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: more caring way.

1214
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: Sure please.

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00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this has been almost like a

1216
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: college class in this podcast today totally. We're just bringing

1217
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: the full every facet of the world to you.

1218
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: American history, baby.

1219
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, get into it.

1220
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: What's what we do here on My Favorite Murder?

1221
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: That is yeah, our true crime podcast.

1222
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: That's right. That's why we both graduated college with degrees

1223
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: in American history.

1224
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: That's right, advanced degrees from season from season Matador. They're

1225
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: going to send us some season distance season desist care

1226
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: Come on.

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01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: I had to do it like years in the making,

1228
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy about it.

1229
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: Uns against my will. That's my new autobiography. That was

1230
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: fun times, that was listeners. Thank you for being here

1231
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: with us.

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: We appreciate you so much. Everyone.

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01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: If you have any heist questions, please write into My

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: Favorite Murder gmail dot com and until then, stay sexy.

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01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:57,200
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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,480
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01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,400
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01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.

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01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle lass Vedo.

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,240
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