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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: So called Moscow mule mom Corey Richins, charged in the

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Speaker 2: poisoning death of her husband, the father of her children,

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Speaker 2: now facing a slew of new felony charges, and of

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Speaker 2: course she's whining behind bars.

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Speaker 3: Look woman, that's what happens when you.

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Speaker 2: Kill your husband, according to prosecutors. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 4: This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 3: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: The so called Moscow mule mom, Corey Richands set to

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Speaker 2: go to trial now facing a host of brand new

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Speaker 2: criminal charges.

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Speaker 3: Guess what they are?

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Speaker 2: Five counts of mortgage fraud, seven counts of money laundering,

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Speaker 2: one count of communications fraud, and one count of engaging

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Speaker 2: in a pattern of unlawful activity. All of those are

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Speaker 2: second degree felonies, plus five counts forgery and seven counts

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Speaker 2: issuing bad check third degree felonies. You know what, even

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Speaker 2: if she was convicted on all of those, she got

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Speaker 2: out of jail in no time.

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Speaker 3: It's the murder charge I'm interested in.

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Speaker 2: But as of right now, the mother and realtor charge

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Speaker 2: with aggravated murder and the death of husband thirty nine

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Speaker 2: year old Eric Richins, and attempting to murder him a

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Speaker 2: month before jury selection is set to go forward in

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Speaker 2: just weeks.

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Speaker 3: This is what police say happened.

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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to our friends say

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Speaker 5: This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead

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Speaker 5: on his bedroom floor in March. Richins in his wife, Corey.

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Speaker 5: We're celebrating a business accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: The night he died.

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Speaker 5: Corey made Eric a moscow mule which he drank in

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Speaker 5: the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: They say. Corey told authorities that.

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Speaker 5: She left to help one of their children and return

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Speaker 5: to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,

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Speaker 5: she noticed Eric was cool to the touch and called.

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Speaker 1: Nine one one.

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Speaker 2: What a horrible event to leave your husband go fall

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Speaker 1: One of your sons.

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Speaker 2: She wanders back in there to sleep in their bed

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Speaker 2: around three am and her husband is cold to the touch.

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Speaker 2: With me in all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I want to

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Speaker 2: go to Chief Medical Examiner out of Terrent County. That's

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Speaker 2: Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas, Austin and Texas Christian

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Speaker 2: University Medical School, Dtor Kendall Crowns, Doctor Crowns. It's such

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Speaker 2: an honor to have you and doctor Paul Christo with us.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's, my first question to you is how long

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Speaker 2: has a body How long has the person been dead

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Speaker 2: before their body is cold to the touch.

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Speaker 6: Well usually wants your hearts stop reading and your body

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Speaker 6: started taking on the temperature of the surrounding environment. It

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Speaker 6: can happen in a probably about a half hour to

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Speaker 6: an hour where you can start noticing the body has

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Speaker 6: change of temper, temperature gotten cold.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the

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Speaker 2: MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going

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Speaker 2: to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to

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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,

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Speaker 2: author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming

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Speaker 2: Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take

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Speaker 2: so much longer for a body to get completely cold

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Speaker 2: to the touch. And I do agree with doctor Kendall

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Speaker 2: Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what

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Speaker 2: difference that would make. But in this case, they were

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Speaker 2: at home with their three little boys, so I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: I think it's safe to assume the temperature would have

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Speaker 7: Mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar, Doctor Crown, probably,

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Speaker 7: you know, forty minutes to an hour's.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in

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Speaker 2: their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who

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Speaker 2: was thirty nine years old at the time of his death.

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Speaker 7: Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is

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Speaker 7: this is a rare event. It doesn't happen unless you have,

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Speaker 7: pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in

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Speaker 2: You know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist, renowned psychiatrist

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Speaker 2: in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business. But

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Speaker 2: when I ever I hear eye in your sleep, there's

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Speaker 2: always something bad attached to that.

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Speaker 1: But I guess people really do die in their sleep.

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Speaker 8: Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people who

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Speaker 8: die in their sleep. They can suffer in a rhythmia

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Speaker 8: of their heart, and those are the people that can

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Speaker 8: die in their sleep. But like you said, Nancy, whenever

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Speaker 8: we hear of a younger person dying in their sleep.

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Speaker 8: There's some curiosity about that. I mean, young people don't

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.

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Speaker 2: I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all

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Speaker 2: of you. Because my dad had his first coronary thrombosis

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Speaker 2: at age thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty young. And this guy is thirty nine.

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Speaker 8: Well it is, nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not

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Speaker 8: that that's not the norm. That's all I would say.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This

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Speaker 2: guy is actually celebrating, you know. Let me let Jen

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Speaker 2: Smith tell you. Jen Smith is joining us chief investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter for dailymail dot com on this from the very beginning,

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Speaker 2: the unusual death of Eric Rich's just thirty nine years old,

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Speaker 2: father of three little boys. Jen, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Explain to me how this whole thing went down,

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Speaker 2: because they were having a celebration that evening. From what

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Speaker 2: I understand, the wife, Corey Rich and flips houses she'll

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Speaker 2: buy and she's got a business partner, they buy houses,

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Speaker 2: they improve them, and then they flip them, like on

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Speaker 2: AHGTV the flip your house.

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Speaker 1: That's what she does.

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Speaker 2: And that evening they were having some kind of a

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Speaker 1: You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's that's exactly right now.

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Speaker 9: But the actually our understanding all of it is that

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Speaker 9: they worked pretty closely together a career and her husband, Eric,

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Speaker 9: like you say, exactly the type of business that you

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Speaker 9: just described. They flipped houses. So when Eric came home

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Speaker 9: the kids, they're celebrating because he has just closed a

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Speaker 9: perfect family. They lived in a really nice area not

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Speaker 9: too far outside of Park City in Utah. The house

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Speaker 9: point one million dollar home, and as you rightly pointed out,

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Speaker 9: Eric had just closed another deal. So it was a

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Speaker 9: happy occasion for the Richards family this evening.

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Speaker 1: Now let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent

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Speaker 9: Mormon family. The Richards family is a large family in

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Speaker 9: known in the community. I and Fury had been married

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Speaker 9: for nine years and they had three beautiful boys together

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Speaker 2: Here's my question. I have several friends that are devout Mormons.

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Speaker 2: They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is

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Speaker 1: So these two are having moscow mules.

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Speaker 9: So what we know now is that after he returns

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Speaker 9: home from closing this deal, as a celebration, Curry, his

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Speaker 9: wife makes him a moscow mule, the vodka ba his cocktail,

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Speaker 9: and that is where they kind of leave things for

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Speaker 2: Off to get with the son who is having a nightmare,

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Speaker 2: sleeps in the room with the sun having a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she leaves him sitting up.

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Speaker 2: In bed having his drink, TV going, everything's fine. So

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Speaker 2: and having all sorts of survivor guilt.

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Speaker 1: Why did I leave him? I'm alive, He's dead.

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Speaker 2: That she and her children get together, and they actually

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Speaker 2: write a book called are.

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Speaker 1: You with Me?

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Speaker 2: Because it's not like are you with me? Like do

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Speaker 2: you understand? It's literally, are you with me?

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Speaker 1: Dad? Are you still with me?

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Speaker 2: Because her three little boys were having such a horrible

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Speaker 2: time dealing with their father's sudden death, she writes the

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Speaker 2: book and she's on local TV promoting it, and I

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Speaker 2: want you to hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.

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Speaker 1: Take a list an hour. Cut eight.

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Speaker 11: My husband passed away unexpectedly last year, so it's March

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Speaker 11: fourth was a one year anniversary for us, and he

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Speaker 11: was thirty nine. It completely took us all by shock.

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Speaker 11: And we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six,

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Speaker 2: And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's

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Speaker 2: on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she

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Speaker 11: I'm new to all of this so kind of doing

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Speaker 11: try and understand you know, not only how to grieve

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Speaker 11: them understand what just happened. And what I have kind

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Speaker 11: three c's is how I has visualized it, and it's

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Speaker 11: making sure connection is the one major one, and making

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Speaker 11: sure that their spirit is always a life in your home,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about how children cope.

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Speaker 2: With the death of a dad and doing things that

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Speaker 2: remind you of your loved one. To doctor Angie Arnold,

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Speaker 2: I know, every year on my dad's birthday, every night

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Speaker 2: after dinner, because my dad and mom had largely moved

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Speaker 2: because you know, the children were so little, just as

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Speaker 2: he passed away, and every night after supper, I would

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Speaker 2: make him a cup of decaf.

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Speaker 1: So every year, on.

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Speaker 2: His birthday or really throughout the year, I will send

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Speaker 2: my sister a picture, you know, I kind of text

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Speaker 2: of a cup of daycaf is steaming, because we both

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Speaker 2: know what that means. And I'm just wondering what you,

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Speaker 1: How excruci you. I mean as an.

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Speaker 2: Adult when my father passed away, but these are little

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Speaker 8: And Nancy, it's important for all of us to remember

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Speaker 8: that each child will will remember this differently according to

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Speaker 2: Doctor Crowns, I'm just thinking about these three little boys

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Speaker 2: Mind body, five times the amount of a lethal dose

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Speaker 1: That's not shabby. He's also an opioid.

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Speaker 2: Expert, doctor Christo. As I said earlier, this is a

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Speaker 2: Them drinking Moscow mules plus fentunnel. What exactly is fentanyl?

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Speaker 1: In an RV sometimes, but you just make it, you

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Speaker 2: further analysis reveals that the fentanyl in Eric's blood was

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Speaker 7: We have more sophisticated methods now determining whether medications or

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Speaker 2: So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's in a moscow mule?

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Speaker 8: No, I'm sorry I don't.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I got a surprise that you just surprised

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Speaker 2: some of those copper I bet Bobby Chacone does.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Chacone, former special.

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Speaker 1: Bobby, there is no way you don't know what a

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Speaker 10: No. Yeah, the basic ingredients of ginger beer and vodka

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Speaker 7: Well, oxy now is different from fentanyl.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's a straight name for fentyl?

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Speaker 2: According to my crack legal analyst Jackie, there are some

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Speaker 6: So, when it first came out, it was called drop

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Speaker 1: Only you, Candle Crowns.

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Speaker 2: Only Well you can imagine the shock that reverberates through

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Speaker 1: But we have breaking news of this.

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Speaker 13: Our local children's book author charged with murder. Thirty three

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Speaker 13: She promoted her book on the Grief on Good Things

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Speaker 2: As it turns out, according to investigators, there had been

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey, you know what I love.

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Speaker 2: I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,

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Speaker 12: Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is

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Speaker 12: That's going to talk about whether somebody's prior bad acts

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Speaker 2: Jensmith, what can you tell us about prior incidents, including

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Speaker 9: So we know about the Valentine's Day incident that you mentioned. Man,

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Speaker 9: they ate a meal together and he became very ill afterwards.

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Speaker 9: As a result, he ended up telling friends, I think

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Speaker 9: my wife had poisoned me. Not only is that disturbing,

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Speaker 9: but more so is the fact that this was the

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Speaker 9: second time he thought she had tried to poison him.

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Speaker 9: Once previously, during a vacation with the family, he told

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Speaker 9: his sister that he thought she had tried to poison him,

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Speaker 9: so once by what happens after that.

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Speaker 2: So the first time we believe Now this is according

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Speaker 2: to him, And I'm going to go back to Jeff

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Speaker 2: Wolf for just a moment about how you can or

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Speaker 2: cannot use the words of someone now dead in court.

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Speaker 2: Because under the sixth Amendment, everybody on trial has the

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Speaker 2: right to cross examine witnesses, evidence, documents, tests used against them,

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Speaker 2: and if the person's now dead, you cannot cross examine them.

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Speaker 1: It's hearsay.

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Speaker 2: So how can you get this information into evidence to

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Speaker 2: show if you can, that there were.

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Speaker 1: Prior attempts on Eric's life.

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Speaker 2: The first one, Jenn Smith, is I believe about three

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Speaker 2: years ago in Greece, family vacation, as you described, and

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Speaker 2: they had dinner and drinks together and he got very

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Speaker 2: very ill. And that's when he called his sister. Was

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Speaker 2: that when he called a sister?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we think so, we know that. We're not sure

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Speaker 9: exactly when this vacation was, only that it was several

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Speaker 9: years ago, maybe a few years ago, and he can

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Speaker 9: his sister.

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Speaker 1: And this is a.

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Speaker 9: Sister who he continued to confide in, especially about his

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Speaker 9: marital problems with Curry. So that was the first instance.

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Speaker 1: So I believe it was about three years ago. That

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Speaker 1: was Angreece.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward, he didn't die, fast forward to this past March.

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Speaker 1: Okay, March a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: What happened, Jen? What happened? Jan Smith?

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Speaker 9: We know that they sat down to have dinner together

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Speaker 9: in their home and for whatever reason, even though he

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Speaker 9: has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to

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Speaker 9: poison him at least once before he sits down with her.

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Speaker 9: He has a meal with her, and again he becomes

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Speaker 9: incredibly ill. He doesn't die, and we don't really know

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Speaker 9: even if he went to the hospital. We're just going

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Speaker 9: off of what we've seen in the start for it,

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Speaker 9: and it's been released so far. He became very very

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Speaker 9: l after that violin.

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Speaker 2: And see and it was so bad he had used

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Speaker 2: an EpiPen and benadrill and still went unconscious.

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Speaker 1: Guess what, He didn't die again.

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Speaker 4: Prosecutor's note in charging documents that five months before Eric's death,

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Speaker 4: Corey Richand's realty was swimming in debt, her nose just

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Speaker 4: barely above water.

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Speaker 3: Let me quote.

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Speaker 2: Despite Kay richards realty's existing debt and insufficient revenue, Richards

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Speaker 2: continued to use hard money loans to purchase three additional properties,

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Speaker 2: adding debt upon debt upon debt, including one point one

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Speaker 2: million and high interest debt to her already staggering and unserviceable.

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Speaker 3: In other words, you can't pay it off debt load.

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Speaker 2: She needed that life insurance policy see proceeds, and she

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Speaker 2: needed it quick.

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Speaker 1: This is what we know, doctor Angie Arnold.

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Speaker 2: If I had two brushes with death while David is

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Speaker 2: hovering over me, I would leave. But I've got a

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Speaker 2: feeling this guy, Eric Richards did not want to believe

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Speaker 2: his wife would try to kill him, even though he verbalized.

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Speaker 1: That I think she's trying to poison me.

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Speaker 2: I think he didn't want to truly accept it and

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Speaker 2: leave the boys.

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Speaker 8: I completely agree with you, Nancy. And if you thought

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Speaker 8: that someone was actually trying to kill you, and this

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Speaker 8: is the person that has been called the love of

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Speaker 8: your life, then what could she possibly do to your

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Speaker 8: children if you're not there? So you can't abandon your

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Speaker 8: children for your own sake. No, people don't do that.

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Speaker 8: So he was just taking his chances. I guess, scared,

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Speaker 8: probably in some disbelief that she would actually want to

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Speaker 8: kill him. Right, So you might think it, but you're

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Speaker 8: still going to be a disbelief that this woman who

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Speaker 8: you're sleeping with and who you're going on trips with

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Speaker 8: and you're going to the kids' baseball games with, is

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Speaker 8: actually trying to kill you and who you're practicing your

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Speaker 8: Mormon religion with. How we call that an incongruent thought?

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Speaker 8: How incongruent could that be to this man? Okay, maybe

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Speaker 8: she's trying to kill me, but really is she is?

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Speaker 11: She?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think page just really he may have said that,

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Speaker 2: but he couldn't truly take it in.

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Speaker 1: You know another thing.

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Speaker 2: I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too,

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Speaker 2: former special agent with the FBI.

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Speaker 1: I love cell phone data. I love it so much.

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Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 2: seventeen our friend Ariel Harrison.

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Speaker 5: Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she

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Speaker 5: was away from her phone that night and it was

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Speaker 5: left on the charger by her bed teams. However, gathered

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Speaker 5: evans the phone was in use during that time and

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Speaker 5: sent mess that just had been deleted. Additional evidence showed

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Speaker 5: Corey was in contact with a drug dealer in Ogden

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Speaker 5: leading up to Eric's death. The legal document state she

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Speaker 5: received both hydrocodone pills and fentanyl from the dealer, claiming

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Speaker 5: the drugs were intended for a client experiencing back pain.

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Speaker 5: At one point, please say, she requested for quote the

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Speaker 5: Michael Jackson stuff, asking specifically for fentanyl. Information from the

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Speaker 5: autopsy report determined Eric died from an overdose of fentanyl

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Speaker 5: five times the lethal dosage.

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Speaker 2: Well that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is

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Speaker 2: so much, way too fast. I can't drink it in.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start with Bobby ch cone the phone evidence

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Speaker 2: because she says, I wasn't on the.

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Speaker 1: Phone all night.

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Speaker 2: I plugged it in and our room, and then I

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Speaker 2: went down the hall to sleep with one of my

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Speaker 2: boys who was having nightmares. I go back at three

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Speaker 2: am ish and I find him call to the touch.

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Speaker 2: Did I immediately perform CPR? But the phone says and

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Speaker 2: helped me out? Jasmith, I believe the phones showed that

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Speaker 2: there have been a lot of texting back and forth

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Speaker 2: during the time where she says the phone was plugged in,

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Speaker 2: not in use while she was in her son's room, and.

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Speaker 1: All those texts were deleted. So what is she.

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Speaker 2: Doing texting back and forth while her husband is dying

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Speaker 2: and then lying about it? I mean, Ja Smith, are

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Speaker 2: those that are those facts correct?

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Speaker 9: Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that

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Speaker 9: she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that

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Speaker 9: she left her phone plugged in. Maybe she thought that

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Speaker 9: it was the location inside the heismand show. But yees,

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Speaker 9: she there is a record. There's a digital record. We

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Speaker 9: know that we've spoken about it many times. Then you

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Speaker 9: can't get rid of it, this digital footprint.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Bobby Cohen just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex

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Speaker 2: Murdogg and the double murderer, his wife and son, Maggie

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Speaker 2: and Maggie and Paul. So what about this had my

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Speaker 2: phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until I

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Speaker 2: find him keeled overdead?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, when you have a case like this

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Speaker 10: where she's the only other person that could have, you know,

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Speaker 10: either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth century,

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Speaker 10: there's no Blount trauma, you immediately start to get her

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Speaker 10: story and for her initial statement. The minute those phone

587
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Speaker 10: records come back and you realize she lied to you,

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Speaker 10: she has to become suspect number one because now, why

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Speaker 10: would a wife lie about using her phone in the

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Speaker 10: immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead, or during the

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Speaker 10: period where she found him dead, or shortly before that.

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Speaker 10: So the minute you find out she lied to you

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Speaker 10: about the phone, you have to start taking a much

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Speaker 10: harder look at her, who her associates, look at her

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Speaker 10: phone records, harder, who is she been calling? Who should

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Speaker 10: being in contact with? So she made her by lying,

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Speaker 10: she made herself suspect number one. If she would have

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Speaker 10: simply come up with a different excuse on why she

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Speaker 10: was texting, maybe she had the phone in bed with

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Speaker 10: her with the kid and she was but the minute

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Speaker 10: she lied about that, she has to become suspect one right.

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Speaker 1: Then the gig's up.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wolf, high profile lawyer joining us out of Colorado

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Speaker 2: at Wolflaw Colorado dot com. I want you to take

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Speaker 2: a listen to another alarming circumstance and ourcut three our

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Speaker 2: friends from crime online dot com.

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Speaker 14: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill

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Speaker 14: after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his

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Speaker 14: wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,

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Speaker 14: can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and

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Speaker 14: taking benadrel. When Eric wakes up, he calls his business partner,

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Speaker 14: Cody Wright to let him know what has just happened. Then,

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Speaker 14: without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will

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Speaker 14: and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with

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Speaker 14: his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might

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Speaker 14: kill him for the money, and he wants his children

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Speaker 14: to be financially secure.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Quote on the day of Eric Richards's death, Kay Richard's

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Speaker 2: realty owed hard money lenders at least one point eight

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Speaker 2: million dollars, and the day after his death.

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Speaker 3: It owed nearly five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: So why did she agree to purchase an unfinished mansion

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Speaker 2: using two point nine million dollars of high interest debt

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Speaker 2: due payable in just six months.

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Speaker 3: She knew she didn't have that money. It's all so clear.

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Speaker 2: And then when he kills over, she could use that

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Speaker 2: life insurance policy money to pay it all off. She

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Speaker 2: goes into his life insurance policy where his partner, Cody

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Speaker 2: is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes it

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Speaker 2: to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary. And

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Speaker 2: he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where he

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Speaker 2: gets horribly ill, he cracks.

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Speaker 1: A joke, Hey, she might kill me for the money,

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Speaker 1: and he.

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Speaker 2: Changes his will. I mean, Jeffrey Wolf, that is no joke.

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Speaker 12: No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw

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Speaker 12: here in this case is you see her attempt to

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Speaker 12: take his business life insurance policy. I have one with

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Speaker 12: my law partner. If something happens to one of us,

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Speaker 12: we want to make sure the business is secure. And

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Speaker 12: so she goes into that policy and attempts to change

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Speaker 12: it so that she gets the money if he dies,

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Speaker 12: and then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife

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Speaker 12: has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her.

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Speaker 12: One of my employees, does you can bet your bottom

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Speaker 12: dollar if I'm making them food or if I'm buying

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Speaker 12: a meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients

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Speaker 12: are not present, because those are people I care about

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Speaker 12: who I have a knowledge would be in trouble.

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Speaker 1: What is your wife allerging to you? By the way,

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Speaker 1: She's allergic to raw tomatoes.

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Speaker 12: It's a very unique allergy that a lot of restaurants

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Speaker 12: have trouble with. But you can bet your bottom dollar

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Speaker 12: there's no raw tomatoes than anything I buy her or

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Speaker 12: serve her, because I know what would happen. Okay, And

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Speaker 12: so the fact that she did that is incredibly concerning.

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Speaker 12: And she did it after attempting to make that change.

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Speaker 12: The company caught it, by the way, and it was

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Speaker 12: changed back. And then when he wakes up from that,

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Speaker 12: he calls his business partner to tell him his suspicions.

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Speaker 12: Joking or not, that could be a present sense impression,

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Speaker 12: which is a reason to get hearsay in at the

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Speaker 12: trial since you were mentioning hearsay before. Wasn't aware I

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Speaker 12: had an evidence test today, but I'm going to pass it.

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Speaker 2: I was ready to pounce on you with a hearsay

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Speaker 2: loophole that I go ahead.

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Speaker 12: I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My evidence

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Speaker 12: practicum professor from law school would be so proud and

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Speaker 12: so present. Sense impression allows those statements of somebody who

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Speaker 12: is not available to be cross examined to come in.

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Speaker 12: But it's going to require a recency to the event

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Speaker 12: and something to say that they were still under the

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Speaker 12: impression of that event in order to be able to

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Speaker 12: get that statement in. So how quickly he called him

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Speaker 12: after he woke up needing to use an EpiPen in

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Speaker 12: benadryl is going to matter a great deal.

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Speaker 2: How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?

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Speaker 12: So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're

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Speaker 12: seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in

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Speaker 12: that moment. It happens a lot. On nine to one

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Speaker 12: one calls right right.

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Speaker 1: When you wake up from an overdose offenal. That kind

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Speaker 1: of excited.

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Speaker 12: Utterance It could be an excited utterance, but it has

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Speaker 12: you have to be excited, right, So it's not just

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Speaker 12: that you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as

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Speaker 12: it's happening. You have to be in an excited state

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Speaker 12: as well. That emotional state. If he called and he's

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Speaker 12: making a joke about it, that could still be a

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Speaker 12: present sense impression to say that this is something that

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Speaker 12: I have recently seen.

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Speaker 1: You think there's any problem getting these statements in?

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Speaker 12: Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough

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Speaker 12: road to hoe to get these, you know, statements of

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Speaker 12: somebody who's not able.

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Speaker 1: I totally disagree.

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Speaker 2: That's why we have the exceptions to the hearsay role

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Speaker 2: for situations just like this.

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Speaker 12: It is exactly why we have the hearsay exceptions. However,

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Speaker 12: in a court and you're doing a criminal trial, the

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Speaker 12: only person who has a right to a fair trial

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Speaker 12: is the criminal defendant, and some judges will err on

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Speaker 12: the side of caution.

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Speaker 2: True, Okay, you know what, let me throw something else

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Speaker 2: at you. Let me throw something else at you. Now

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Speaker 2: we already know that you know what's your cut?

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Speaker 15: Five KSL core papers say Corey first bought painkillers from

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Speaker 15: a drug dealer. Weeks later, asking for something stronger, she

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Speaker 15: called it some of the Michael Jackson stuff. That was

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Speaker 15: just before Valentine's Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 15: Eric became very ill and believed he had been poisoned,

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Speaker 15: and told a friend he thought his wife was trying

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Speaker 15: to poison him. The dealer told police that two weeks later,

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Speaker 15: Corey purchased morpheentanyl. Six days later, on March fourth, twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty two, Eric was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.

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Speaker 1: Let me get this straight.

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter dailymail dot Com, on the

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Speaker 2: story from the very beginning. So he has the horrible

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Speaker 2: episode in Greece where he calls his sister and says,

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Speaker 2: I swear.

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Speaker 1: I think she's trying to kill me. Ha ha ha.

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Speaker 2: Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 2: another horrible episode after eating and drinking.

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Speaker 1: There is your similar transaction Jeff Wolfe always after ingesting

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Speaker 1: food or or drink beverage with his wife. Always the

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Speaker 1: same mo modus operandi, method of operation. She puts whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. If whatever he.

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Speaker 2: Is ingesting, so is Valentine, They have a dinner and drinks.

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Speaker 1: Bam, he's out again. This time he lives. The second time,

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Speaker 1: changes his insurance back, changes his will.

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Speaker 2: And then we find out that prior to the February incident,

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Speaker 2: Valentine's and the March incident, she goes back to the

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Speaker 2: drug dealer and she says, hey, I need some more.

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Speaker 2: She buys nine hundred dollars worth of fentinyl. In March,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't die. She goes back to the same dealer says, hey,

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Speaker 2: give me some more.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: She buys nine hundred dollars worth more. This time he dies.

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Speaker 2: You know, have you ever seen those pictures? If you

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Speaker 2: want to be an artist, you can just paint between

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Speaker 2: the lines and suddenly have this beautiful picture.

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Speaker 12: Jeff Wolf's Yeah, I have seen it. And that's what

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Speaker 12: we're looking at here, is that the pieces of this

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Speaker 12: just keep coming into focus. And throw on top of

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Speaker 12: the fact that these are similar transactions that could go

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Speaker 12: to a modus operande or a pattern behavior. But throw

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Speaker 12: into that that a lot of states, my state Colorado

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Speaker 12: being one of them, have domestic violence allowances for similar transaction.

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Speaker 12: Four be evidence as well to show the certain types

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Speaker 12: of behaviors that can occur in a domestic violence relationship

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Speaker 12: as well. And you're going to start seeing all of

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Speaker 12: this stuff like an avalanche coming in against the defense,

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Speaker 12: and it is going to be very, very tough to

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Speaker 12: beat it all back with, no matter how big you

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Speaker 12: that is.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Chacon and Jenna Smith, I want you to hear

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Speaker 2: our cut seven are friends at ABC.

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Speaker 16: A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping

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Speaker 16: with grief after the death of her husband last year

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Speaker 16: has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was

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Speaker 16: arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.

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Speaker 16: She also faced the drug charges. Just last month, Richards

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Speaker 16: appeared on local TV to promote her book about a

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Speaker 16: boy who lost his dad. At the time, she said

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Speaker 16: her husband's unexpected death left her and their three boys reeling.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Chicon not only the cost belief she murdered him.

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Speaker 2: She then writes a BOOKOK and tries to sell it

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Speaker 2: on TV and on Amazon.

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Speaker 10: Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 10: the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's axacted

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Speaker 10: that much. I mean, they probably already had her in

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Speaker 10: their sight. You know her journey to do this kind

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Speaker 10: of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm

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Speaker 10: sure that you know, once they saw the toxicology report,

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Speaker 10: once they got those phone records back, which was all

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Speaker 10: within six eight ten weeks of the event of the murder,

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Speaker 10: they had her in their sites and it was a

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Speaker 10: matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,

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Speaker 10: and just tying everything together with the prosecutor and putting

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Speaker 10: it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I just I think that impacts her reputation in the

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Speaker 10: community more than this actual case because everything was put together.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more

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Speaker 2: than murdering her husband.

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Speaker 1: Doctor as Arnold, will you.

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Speaker 2: Help me out please, I mean, to murder your husband

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Speaker 2: and then write a book about how much your children

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Speaker 2: are suffering what they're going through. We had one child

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Speaker 2: that I was already having nightmares according to her.

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Speaker 1: But doing that not just.

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Speaker 2: To your husband, but to your children and then trying

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Speaker 2: to profit off of it with a book.

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Speaker 8: Nancy, I think it shows that she has a complete

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Speaker 8: lack of attachment to her husband. Lots of people do

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Speaker 8: not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay, So

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Speaker 8: I believe that she lacks attachment to the people in

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Speaker 8: her life, and that is what It doesn't mean you're insane, no,

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Speaker 8: but she doesn't have any attachment. How do you kill

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Speaker 8: your husband? So to me, that's the worst thing that

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Speaker 8: she's done. So anything after that, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Murder suspect Corey Richan's clearly swimming in millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: of debt and she believed, according to prosecutors, her husband's

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Speaker 2: life insurance policy would take care of it all.

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Speaker 3: But first he had to die.

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Speaker 2: Wait, as this case goes to trial and justice Unfalds

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.

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Speaker 9: Hmm,