1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edo 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Steak is that woo woom? 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: And Tom, this is your captain Tye Hildebrand He of course, 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: the trusted first mate, the Lieutenant Dan Rubistein Sarah, welcome 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: back into the tues cruise, My man, how are you good? 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: Calm waters right now for me and hopefully for you 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: as we enter into this is our first show. 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Of Rivalry Week. Yes, indeed, which waters can prove to 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: be choppy? Right? 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 2: There's a lot of make or break emotions in this 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: week depending on how you finish after season. If you've 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: had a disappointing year, but you're able to go home 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: with that old oaken bucket makes you feel a little 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: bit better, you go home with the Platypus Cup, you 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: go home with the Apple Up, you go home with 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Cup, whatever it is that you go home with. 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: If you've had a disappointing year, or if you've had 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: a terrific year, nice little cherry on top tie. So 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: Rivalry Week, we don't just throw the records out. But 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: this is everything that encapsulates the goodness of college football. 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: The emotion, the heat, the leftover Thanksgiving. Everything's great about 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Rivalry Week unless you're watching the egg Ball, of course, 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: because that's as you're presumably eating or digesting Thanksgiving right 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: Thursday night. 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: So correct Thursday night game. 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 3: So look, we're going to do a full deep dive 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: of everything that Rivalry Week college Football Week thirteen, whatever 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: your parlance has in store, we will record that midday 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: on Wednesday. 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: We will drop it to the feed right away. 34 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: We will have it in your hands or on your 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: podcasting app of choice before Thanksgiving gets here. 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We've got channels for literally everything you 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: can imagine it is a real time college football discussion 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: that never ceases to amaze both you and I. 48 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: That's at verbowlers dot com. 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: On today's show, we call it The Two's Cruise. Yes, 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: it is a nautically themed college football podcast episode. Don't 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: ask why. That's a whole other conversation. We're both water people. 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: We both like the ocean, we both like boats, we 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: both like naval history, we both like maritime stories, we 54 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: like all that stuff. 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: That's why, absolutely why not. That's why I've named it 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: this in the first place. But today's episode is subtitled 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: Conference Shell Game. 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Yes. 59 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: I looked up that in competitive rowing, the name of 60 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: the boat is called a shell. 61 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: Yes. 62 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: And so when we started talking through the idea for 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: this episode, the first thought that came to mind was, 64 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: if you've watched the Olympics, if you've watched any kind 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: of competitive rowing, I know you're really big into this 66 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: cruise scene always, of course, but if you've ever watched 67 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: it on TV, they always have like that really nifty 68 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: overhead shot where you see all of the boats just 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: sort of like try and chip away at the leader. 70 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: It's just a constant back and forth, back and forth 71 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: as they're trying to overtake one another in this boat 72 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: race to get to the finish line first. Today's game 73 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: is going to be you and I talking through the 74 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: five Power five conferences figuring out which ones at least 75 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: that time of recording. 76 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I guess it could change. 77 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: Because we have some interconference matchups in week thirteen at 78 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: time of recording, how are we going to rank these 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: conferences out? It is a more difficult conversation than you 80 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: would think. 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: I agree, So I'm excited about that. 82 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: There is a full version of this episode that is 83 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: going to be made available, of course, out at verballers 84 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: dot com. Dan Rubistein, did I do a good job 85 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: explaining what this is? 86 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah. 87 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: I think we have to explain as we go how 88 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: we will will quantify our conference rankings and how to 89 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: sort of best arrive at our conclusions because I don't 90 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: know if you and I necessarily see eyed I on 91 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: the different factors that make up a good or average 92 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: or not so good Power five conference? 93 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: Right, I think that's one hundred percent accurate. Have you 94 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: thought this through? I have thought this through. I thought 95 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: it over. I thought it through over a salad at 96 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: lunch time. 97 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: So I'm I wanted to stay lean for this conversation. 98 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: I suspect it's going to be a bit of a 99 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: knockdown drag out between you and I. 100 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's let's let's talk about it, right. 101 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: So we have the non conference portion of the schedule, 102 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: which certainly is not complete because we do have some 103 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: rivalry games that feature teams from two different conferences. Of course, Georgia, 104 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, Clemson, whoever they're playing South Carolina pal Metable. 105 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Palmetable. 106 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: So we've got all sorts of matchups that you know, Florida, 107 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: Florida State that necessarily that do close out the non 108 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: conference portion of every team schedule naturally. And we have 109 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: early results, we have midyear results, we have late year results. 110 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: We have ranked teams, we have non ranked teams, We 111 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: have previously ranked teams. We have largely un ranked teams 112 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: that have come on strong. We have teams that make 113 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: up a strong top of a conference or perhaps a 114 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: deeper conference nautical term, a meady middle, a Davy Jones 115 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: locker basement at the bottom of the ocean type teams, 116 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: and you know, a conference identity, whether or not we 117 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: think a conference that's stronger on offense, a conference that's 118 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: stronger on defense, or if it just means a conference 119 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: full of half teams or average on both sides, and 120 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: what that does for us in terms of tickling our 121 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: brains and our rankings. So I think it's important to 122 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: get to the bottom of how we think about these things. 123 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: And I naturally tie because I always turned back to 124 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: the social network. Sure, it's been a long year in 125 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: a good way. So you look at the non conference 126 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: portion of the schedule, right, So it's highlighted by what 127 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: LSU going down to Florida State early on, like, oh 128 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: my god, Florida State's got it all figured out. You 129 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: look at West Virginia going down to Penn State Drew Aller. 130 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: You look at. 131 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Michigan's early on just move on. I'll talk about you 132 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 2: Michigan's early schedule, right. You look at Washington, Michigan State, 133 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: Boise State. Wow. Setting the tone doesn't matter what happens 134 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: later on, right, But that's where our minds are. Oregon 135 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: State plays nobody, Oregon sneaks by kind of Texas Tech. 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: You have Texas over Alabama and Tuscaloosa. 137 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: Right, Oh my god. 138 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: The win of the year Oklahoma doesn't play too much 139 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: in the way of strong teams the non conference portion 140 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: of the schedule. But look at that Maszoo with a 141 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: long field goal taking down Kansas State. Ah well, not 142 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: much happening in the Big Ten. Other well, you know, 143 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: Rutgers beat Virginia Tech. That turns out to be pretty quality, 144 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: right in retrospect, Actually not bad. 145 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: I did restures pretty decent. 146 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: Northwestern sneaking by Howard, Right, not a necessarily great moment 147 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: for the Big Ten. North Carolina looking strong early, taking 148 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: down what Minnesota? Right, we think Minnesota's pretty decent. So 149 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: there's all sorts of results at the time. At the time, 150 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: at the time we thought that was time. We felt differently, right, 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: North Carolina taking down South Carolina. With the way South 152 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: Carolina finished last year, that seems pretty decent. But of course, 153 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: all of these things change over the course of the season. 154 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: Anybody else in the Big twelve that stands out Can't 155 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: State starts slow with the loss, but looks like they're 156 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: coming on strong over the course of the year. Oklahoma 157 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: State starts off slowly, but they come on stronger over 158 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: the course of the year. 159 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: What does that mean for the Big Twelve? You look 160 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: at the ACC claps it. 161 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: How does it do us. 162 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: To be good? You have doing not so good. I 163 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: don't know what's happening with. 164 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: The ACC track twelve, great beating Florida, going down to Utah, 165 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: Utah looking good of course. 166 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: The regular year. I don't know what to make of it. 167 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: Bree Breeze, bree bree It's okay. 168 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: Time we got to come to some conclusions here, We 169 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: got to come to some clues. 170 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: It's very difficult. So what was your rubric? My rubric 171 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: is this. 172 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: I think there is a conversation to be had between 173 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: conferences that are top heavy like the Big Ten yea, 174 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: and conferences that are I think through and through defined 175 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: by a medy middle Yes. And that for me is 176 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: I think really the biggest conversation we needed to find 177 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: up front, because the top of the Big ten is 178 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: damn impressive. I don't know if anyone outside those top 179 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: three really frightens me. 180 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: I always got a. 181 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: Good defense, but beyond that, beyond those top three teams 182 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: and maybe Iowa's half team, I'm not looking at the 183 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: Big ten and feeling a deep sense of dread. If 184 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: my team is in a different conference and having to 185 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: go and play a Minnesota Let's say I hate to 186 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: use them, and it's another example, but in a bowl 187 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: game just doesn't doesn't fright. 188 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: Well, So what you're describing here right now, because obviously 189 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: you're talking about latitudes and longitudes and equators with the 190 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: nautical system we have at hand, you're talking about a 191 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Girard Way line, right Sure. 192 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Is a team okay or not? Okay? 193 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: No, it's still line, the Girard Way, the Girard Way line, 194 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: lead singer of my Chemical Romance. So you're either okay 195 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: or you're not okay, I think. So there's that line 196 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: in every conference that you have to be the one 197 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: to draw. 198 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: This is a very interesting conversation for us to have 199 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: because at the start of the season, I feel like 200 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: we had this about four or five times over and 201 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: it was very much a conversation that centered around the 202 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 3: PAC twelve, and in particular the PAC twelve being what 203 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: we considered at the time the best quarterback conference. Now 204 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: we can debate the merits of that now with where 205 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: things are, with where I think quarterback play has progressed 206 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: in the SEC, but I do want to start talking 207 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: about the PAC twelve, okay, and where they rank on 208 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: this totem poll because is the more I went through this, 209 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: the farther down I pushed the PAC twelve. Okay, ultimately 210 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 3: I settled. 211 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: On the PAC twelve, third behind the SEC and the 212 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: Big Twelve. Interesting go on. 213 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: I feel like as I look across teams in the 214 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: Big twelve, there are more Big twelve teams that I 215 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: would take over PAC twelve teams. So in a hypothetical 216 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: Bowl situation or you know every year they do the 217 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: ACC Big Ten Challenge in college basketball, if we had 218 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: something like that in college football where we had a 219 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: Big twelve matchup with a bunch of Pack twelve teams. 220 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: I feel like, over the whole, the Big twelve would 221 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: win that. 222 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: Where's the Gerard Way line? I would have it between 223 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: Kansas and TCU. 224 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 225 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: And by the way, if you look, if you look 226 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: at the standings in the Big twelve, if you go 227 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: all the way down between Kansas and TCU, TCU is eighth. 228 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Or three and five? Yeah, five and six and overall? 229 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: Right, so you go pretty far down, go eight spots down, 230 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: I guess to get past Kansas, that's a pretty deep conference. 231 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 3: I mean, Kansas has had a good season, they're seven 232 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: and four overall, beat Oklahoma. 233 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: Right. 234 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: For me, I think the Big Twelve, it's it's level 235 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: of depth in that one through eight range is damn 236 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: impressive and maybe the most impressive of any of the 237 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: conferences we're going to talk about here today. 238 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: And I would also add, and I don't have a 239 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: specific punny emo name for it, but only one, like 240 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: kind of catastrophically bad team in Cincinnati. 241 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnati worst team of the conference. Right, you laugh at 242 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: me when I said they're the worst team in the conference. 243 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: The worst team in the conference, but came away with 244 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: a win over another team below the Gerard Way line 245 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: in Houston. But still they've lost every game since that 246 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: pit one otherwise, so that's pretty good it To only 247 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: have one of those teams, I think is a pretty 248 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: decent spot to be in. 249 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Do you agree with putting the Big Twelve over the 250 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: PAC twelve. I don't, Okay, why. 251 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: I don't, because I think the top of the Pac 252 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: twelve is more interesting. 253 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: I think the media middle is competitive. 254 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: Utah is an interesting case because they're still seven and 255 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: four without quarterback play and with the number of injuries 256 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: that they've suffered, it's been really bad. Since sort of 257 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: the you know, the last two or three weeks with 258 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: how beat up they are, But that's the middle of 259 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: the conference. I think the teams near the bottom. Even 260 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: if you're putting the h the Girard way line probably 261 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: after CAL I still think that's a healthy percentage of 262 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 2: the conference. Like right now, if UCLA is in the 263 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: middle of the conference, like I think UCLA is like 264 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: clearly better than the middle of what the Big twelve 265 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: has to offer. No, yes, like if USC is part 266 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: of the middle, If UCLA is part of the middle, 267 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: I think those teams would still at full health, you know, 268 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: for both of those conferences be better. 269 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: Who would you pick heads up between Kansas and UCLA 270 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: Ucla really? Yes, defense, Yeah, I think it's I think 271 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: the UCLA defense is the best. 272 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: In that game. 273 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: I think I go Kansas in that game, Kansas over UCLA. 274 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: I think I would they both run the hell out 275 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: of the ball. 276 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. 277 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: I think there's more star power on the UCLA defense 278 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: than any unit in that game. 279 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: Let's put it this way, neutral field. If UCLA is favored, 280 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: it's by a field goal. I mean that's a that's 281 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 3: a close game. 282 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: No, I'd take well, the caveat is you get Jason 283 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: Bean and you get Ethan Garber's that would be my matchup, right, 284 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: So it's not a Cole Ballard, it's not Dante Moore. 285 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: I think what I like about the Big Twelve is 286 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: how varied it is. Okay, if we're going to focus 287 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: on those top eight teams, you've got teams in there 288 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: that can beat you any number of different ways. Right, 289 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: You've got Texas, which is doing it. I mean, their 290 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: offense is obviously very solid, but they're doing it I 291 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: think really on the back of a really sound defense. 292 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: You've got a team in a West Virginia who is 293 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: clearly not as good as Texas, but West Virginia is 294 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: running the crap out of the ball. You've got other 295 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: schools in here, like Oklahoma that want to throw the 296 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: crap out of the ball. You've got teams in Case 297 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: State that you don't necessarily know from week to week 298 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: what you're going to get, which version of them you're 299 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: going to get. They've been more effective as a running 300 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 3: team obviously this season in Oklahoma State also has come 301 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: into its own behind Oli Gordon, and I think. 302 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: And to all the haters who said Oklahoma State couldn't 303 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: run with South Alabama. They prove that emphatically, Ty, you 304 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: know that. Yeah, I mean that was not a good 305 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: early result. 306 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: But for me, that one through eight block of the 307 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: Big twelve is so varied and so plucky from week 308 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: to week that I would take them over the top eight. 309 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: I think in the Pac. 310 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: Twelve, I would think I would say this though, I 311 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: do think that the Pac twelve at the top is 312 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: probably better than the Big twelve, But I think if 313 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: we're going eight through eight, I still favor the Big twelve. 314 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: All right, So you have the Pac twelve's clear worst 315 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: team beating a team below the girardway line in the 316 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: Big twelve, Colorado over TCU, whatever you believe. You have 317 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: Arizona State going down to Oklahoma State, so there are 318 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: some head to heads. 319 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: You have Texas Tech hanging. 320 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: With Oregon early on in the season, but Oregon gets 321 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: that win by thing eight or nine points, and so 322 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: there is something who is who do you like? If 323 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: you had to bring your best two in the Big 324 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: twelve to an Oregon Washington fight, who would those two 325 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: teams be? Texas? And you don't even know who the 326 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: second best team is right, probably Oklahoma. So you're bringing 327 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: Oklahoma to that, and that's an Oklahoma team who on 328 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: the road was going stride for stride with BYU lost 329 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: to Kansas and well neutral site beat Texas. Oklahoma just 330 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: played somebody else on the road, right, Oklahoma say they 331 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: lost Bedlam? Yeah, So I just I don't feel great 332 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: about that. If I'm making the Big twelve case over 333 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: the PAC twelve. 334 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: All right, so let me pivot off this. Then we 335 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: disagree on the ordering. There is anybody higher on your 336 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: totem pole than the PAC twelve or is the PAC 337 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: twelve the best conference for you? 338 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: The SEC is higher? 339 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hate I kind of hate it because 340 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: the the Girard way line is unclear to me in 341 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: the SEC. But if you're talking about if we want 342 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: to get to SEC right now, to have Georgia and 343 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: to have Miszoo, to have Alabama, Ole Miss and LSU 344 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: as clearly good to very good teams, minimum don't I 345 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: don't consider Tennessee in that, going three and four in 346 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: the conference, even though they're I think they're ranked. 347 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: At the moment fifth. Yeah in the ape pole. 348 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kentucky's faded obviously, A and M struggles. Auburn just 349 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: lost to New Mexico State. Mississippi State I think is 350 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: kind of catastrophically bad. I don't think the case is 351 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: as strong for saying that about Arkansas because they've been competitive. 352 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: Fandy obviously catastrophically bad. So the bottom is as bad 353 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: as anybody in college football's bottom with Vandy and Mississippi 354 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: State this year. But there's a good amount of meaty middle. 355 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: I don't where would the Gerard Way line be for you? 356 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: Is South Carolina above it after this week? 357 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: Now they're below it? Okay? So South Auburn below it? 358 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: Auburn six and five? Yeah, Aubers blow it. They're not okay, No, okay. 359 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing about the the SEC. All right, 360 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: we can talk about Gerard Way lines whatever. But they've 361 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: got six teams in the top twenty five. There's Kentucky, 362 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: there's Florida, there's South Carolina. South Carolina is still plucky. 363 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 3: If they're at home, they're plucky. Even A and M 364 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: is plucky depending on where you get them and who 365 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: they're playing, and if the defense is firing on all cylinders. 366 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: Dude, South Carolina was stried for stride Jacksonville State. 367 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: I know, all due respect, I know respect Jacksonville State. 368 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only like three teams in the SEC that 369 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: I look at and I just sort of wave off. See. 370 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: To me, there's almost no media middle to the SEC. 371 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: I think it's Tennessee and A and M. That's the 372 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: entirety of the media middle. 373 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: It could well be. 374 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 3: I mean, the point for me on the SEC and 375 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: why I think I'm so high on them, is there 376 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: has been clear improvement among those top teams from start 377 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: to finish. Maybe not as much with Tennessee. But George's 378 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: gotten better, Alabama's gotten better, Missouri has clearly gotten better, 379 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: if only from last year. Missouri has gotten better. LSU 380 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: their defense hasn't gotten better. But Jaden Daniels is still 381 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: you know, probably your heisman makes them dangerous, Yeah, makes 382 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: them dangerous. And Tennessee. Tennessee is still I think a 383 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: good team. 384 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: Are they in that top group though? To you they're 385 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: in the top six? No? 386 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: No, I mean, like, when you talk about good SEC teams, 387 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: do you include Tennessee in that conversation? 388 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: I don't. 389 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: I guess I'm looking at at thinking there's still enough 390 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: firepower with their running attack, to get the job done. 391 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: They just played two of the upper level and lost 392 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: those games that combined seventy four to seventeen. I just 393 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: don't believe when you do that you belong in a 394 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: grouping with those teams. But there's a lot here in 395 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: this conference that has improved over the course of the season. 396 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: And agree, I think I'm not making a case against them. 397 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: I think you're right put them atop just because of 398 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: the grouping at the top. 399 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, the quality in bulk that we have at the 400 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: top of the SEC, I think puts them for me 401 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 3: above the Big twelve. 402 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: So they're the All Costco Conference. We'll get to the overall. 403 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: It's not overalls. 404 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 3: ACC is still to All Costco Conference, but for me, 405 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: it goes SEC, Big twelve. 406 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: PAC twelve in that order. Okay, I'm going to SEC, 407 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Pac twelve, Big twelve. Who do you have next? Who 408 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: do you have? Number four? Next? Is Big ten? Okay, 409 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: defend that decision. Next is a Big ten. 410 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: You can just compare the Big ten heads up against 411 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: the ACC, and I think the top of the Big 412 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 3: ten is strong enough to pull the other eleven teams 413 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: whatever it is now over the finish line and ahead 414 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: of the ACC. The ACC definitely has more quality in bulk, right. 415 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: I think there are more teams at the top of 416 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: the ACC that are at least plucky and interesting. But 417 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: the top of the Big Ten with Michigan and Ohio 418 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: State and Penn State and half of Iowa is enough 419 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: to power them ahead of I think the ACC in 420 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: my book. 421 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing. Who is definitely okay in the 422 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: Big ten? What does their media middle look like? 423 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: To me? It might only be Maryland, Northwestern. Oh man, 424 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: we're at Northwestern already. Northwestern is Bowl eligible. Northwestern's Bowl eligible. 425 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: I mean it has beaten a number of the teams 426 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: below it in the West. You just can't take any 427 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 2: of these teams in the West, seriously, none of them 428 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: play offense. I'm I'm okay with a Rutgers case for 429 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: being in the media middle, but Michigan State, Indiana. 430 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: It's Rutgers or Maryland, it's basically the entire East and Iowa. 431 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: You still have to put Iowa in there because the 432 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: defense and play offense, you're probably gonna get creamed in 433 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: bowl season. Yeah, but you still have to put them 434 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: in there. If we're kind of taking this like for 435 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: like here, I just think the top is so good 436 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: that that puts him over the top as compared to 437 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: the ACC. Who are your top up four teams in 438 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: the ACC Florida State then who? 439 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm just I'm not sold on lumping 440 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: Penn State with Michigan and Ohio State, but I understand 441 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 2: that they don't belong with Maryland Rutgers in Northwestern. 442 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: No, not at all. 443 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: I would actually bump Iowa out of the top group 444 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: just because of their results against teams below the Girard 445 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: Way line. Like, they didn't run away from Purdue, they 446 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: didn't run away from Wisconsin, they lost to Minnesota, didn't 447 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 2: run away from Northwestern, did run away from h Rutgers, 448 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: didn't run away from Illinois. I think they belong in 449 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: that grouping even though winning is a skill and I 450 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: can appreciate that they find a way to win while 451 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: being completely incompetent and underqualified on offense, they don't belong 452 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: in that top group even though they're in the Big 453 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: Ten championship game. 454 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: If we assume that Ohio State and Penn State or 455 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: o Higo State and Michigan excuse me, are both obviously 456 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: the cream the crop in the Big ten. 457 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: Yes, and then we consider the next. 458 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: Best, which I guess we can assume for the purposes 459 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: of this thought experiment is Penn State. Clearly, if we 460 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: take Penn State and we put Penn State against all 461 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: of the other teams in the ACC, maybe outside of 462 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: Florida State, would they be favored. I've got my calculator 463 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 3: in front of me. 464 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. 465 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Penn State, who I am not crazy about. I've 466 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: watched every game, literally every Penn State snapped this season. Yeah, 467 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: I've been screaming at my television. They'd still be favored 468 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: by ten over Louisville. They'd be favored neutral Field by 469 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: ten over Louisville. 470 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: They be favored by eighteen over NC State. NC State's 471 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: alone in. 472 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: Third place right now in the ACC. I could do 473 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: this all day. I can go right down the list, 474 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: every single team. Maybe outside of Florida State, Penn State's 475 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 3: favored by double digits, close to double digits. So I 476 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: just think, by virtue of the top teams in the 477 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 3: conference clearly better than the ACC. 478 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I totally agree. 479 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't know if we can 480 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: sell the segment of the show to a sponsor in 481 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: which I pat myself on the back. I don't know 482 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: who a good back sponsor would be, like bringing like 483 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: one of those shower back scrubbers or something. Pretty early on, 484 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: when Penn State started struggling on offense and it was 485 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: clear that like, well they can't figure out offense, the 486 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: defense is there. 487 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: Their coach is very raw raw. 488 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: I called something I don't know if I called James 489 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: Franklin Dabbo North or Dabbo James Franklin South. But yeah, 490 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: that's who Penn State is this year. They have that 491 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: offensive flaw and generating big plays, top recruiter, good recent history. 492 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: Penn State would absolutely be favored. I mean, the Clemson 493 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: game would be fascinating to see those two teams match up, 494 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: but absolutely Penn State would be cream of the crop 495 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: in the ACC. 496 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: Now here is here is the counterpoint? All Right, I'm 497 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: sort of arguing against myself. I still think big. 498 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: Thing ready big ten of RACC. I put ACC fifth, 499 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, the ultimate big ten ACC challenge a big 500 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: ten ACC Chune. 501 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 3: But I'm looking at some of these other teams here 502 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: because the standings in a sense still do not reflect 503 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: what I think of the teams in the ACC. I 504 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: think Clemson's better than where they currently sit in the standings. 505 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: Way, you think Clemson is better than where they sit 506 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: in the win lost standings. 507 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: Clemson right now is seven to four overall. That makes sense. 508 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: I've watched every Clemson game. Yeah, four and four in 509 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: the conference, four and four in the conference. They are unranked. 510 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: You put Clemson against pretty much anybody in the Big 511 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 3: Ten West, are probably gonna win that game. Uh, maybe 512 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: they're gonna beat anybody in the Big ten West. They 513 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: beat anybody in the Big ten West. Okay, put Miami 514 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: against some teams. 515 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: In the Big ten West. How do they do? Miami? 516 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: What about? Do you want to sell me on Miami 517 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: right now? 518 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: What about North Carolina? Put them against any Big ten 519 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: West team? 520 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: How do they do? They played Minnesota, they beat them comfortably. 521 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: So what I think I'm looking at here at the 522 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: Big ten is you've got three definites in the Big 523 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: ten East that they play anybody in the ACC. For 524 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 3: the most part, outside of Florida State, they're favored. 525 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. 526 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: I didn't do the math on Florida State, but maybe 527 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: now with the Florida State injury situation, it's the same 528 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: case for them, as it is Louisville and NC State 529 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: and all the other teams against Big Ten East opponents. 530 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: But go down the rung a little bit here and 531 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: put Clemson, put Virginia Tech, put NC State, put Louisville. 532 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: Put any of those teams up against any of the 533 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 3: other teams in Big Ten. They probably win. Penn State 534 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 3: favorite against Louisville neutral fields ten points. 535 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: Ten points, that's what I have. Ten points. I wouldn't 536 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: bet it. 537 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 3: I wouldn't bet that in a million years, But based 538 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: on my calculator, which has actually been pretty close in 539 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: terms of point spreads this season, that's the number that 540 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: it comes to. 541 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Louisville's ten in one with an emphatic win 542 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: over Notre Dame and they are nowhere near the playoff conversation, nowhere. 543 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: Near then that's yeah, they're nice right now. It's impossible 544 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: for them to get into the playoff at this point. 545 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I think I'm okay with that argument. Here, 546 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: here is the vibes element to all of this. Can 547 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: I introduce a wrinkle that is completely subjective? 548 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 1: This is what you do? 549 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: Go ahead, okay, acc vibes are pretty good to me. Okay, 550 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: like teams with bad vibes in the AC. I think 551 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: there's three teams like I think Syracuse, who just parted 552 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: ways with Dino Babers, Pitt and wake Forest don't bring any. 553 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: Vibes to the table. No vibes, guys. 554 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: You see them on your grid of like your TV 555 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: guide style, YouTube, TV comcast, whatever you see it, and 556 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: you avoid like there's no reason to look at any 557 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: of those three teams. I think Virginia's bringing vibes. I 558 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: think Miami's bringing entertaining chaos vibes. Duke with healthy Riley Leonard, 559 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: Thomas Cassiano's form Boston College. Like Virginia Tech and Kyron Drones, 560 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 2: Georgia Tech has gotten sparky with Haynes King, Riley Leonard's 561 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: not healthy. I understand, And maybe maybe Duke is a 562 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: half vibe team. I get that they're more of a 563 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: story a good story team that the places traditionally story 564 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: the story vibes. 565 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: So maybe i'll i'll you can to a coaching candidate 566 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: at A and M vibes. There's chaos vibes at NC State, 567 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: chaos vibes at Louisville. Unfortunately, Florida State bringing some you know, 568 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: bummer vibes to the table because of Jordan Travis, But 569 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: overall there's you know, if Florida State's playing a big game, 570 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: you're watching. I think the Big Ten is nearly devoid 571 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: of vibes, Like Ohio State's bringing disappointing vibes. Michigan because 572 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: of all of the baggage they're bringing off the field, 573 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 3: are not bringing great vibes at the moment. I don't 574 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: know who is who is like the vibe king right 575 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: now of the Big Ten. 576 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: Vibe king of the Big Ten. It might be Iowa. 577 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: Out of like more bid curiosity. It might be hitting Unders. 578 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: Who else would you put above Iowa right now? Rutgers maybe, Rutgers, 579 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: maybe Northwestern. I think Iowa was like kind of like 580 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: a college football hipster fraud where it's like, haha, Iowa 581 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: under haha, Troy Taylor is the best offensive player. But 582 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: if you were forced to sit down and actually watch 583 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: three and a half hours of Iowa football, oh no, absolutely, 584 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: it's not a vibe tie. 585 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: But who is the vibe I mean, seriously, if it's 586 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: not I'm asking If it's not Iowa, I think it's 587 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: either Rutgers in Northwestern. They're the only teams that seem 588 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: like they're pointed up and happy about it. 589 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: I think the vibe king of the Big Ten might 590 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: be Maryland because they'll throw in a fun half and 591 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: they'll throw three turnover like there is that. 592 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: They're Miami. 593 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: That's right. The chaos vibes of Maryland the SZ I 594 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: have from friends who root for Maryland. They're elite losers. 595 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: They're elite losers, but it's entertaining TV for the most part. 596 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 3: I think Maryland brings good vibes, like entertaining vibes to 597 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: a college football game. 598 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: Let's split the difference to call it Rutgers. 599 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: Nah. 600 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: I don't think you want to sit down and watch 601 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: three and a half hours of Rutgers football. You're you're 602 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: a deep Kyle manad guy fan, right, Okay. 603 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: It's an interesting when when you look at it through 604 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: the lens of vibes, that's that's a very interesting converence. 605 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: I think the ACC brings better vibes. 606 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: The Big Twelve is an interesting conversation on the vibes 607 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: front too. There are a lot of teams with good vibes. 608 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: Hit me with Big Twelve vibes pretty. 609 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: Much everyone outside of Cincinnati, b YU, Baylor, Houston, and 610 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: TCU as good vibes. 611 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: Those are five. 612 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: See you can talk me into TCU and Houston vibes. 613 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: Houston's gonna fire their coach. There's no vibes there. 614 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: You think hul Go's done. Hulgo is gonna be done. 615 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: TCU has kind of randomly they'll come back or let 616 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: another team come back. They'll throw in a quarterback who 617 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 2: throws four hundred and eighteen yards in a game. Uh, 618 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: they'll throw in a week where they just look completely soulless. 619 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's true. You u CF, I think is 620 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: just happy to be there. You CF could make I 621 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: think UF has great vibes. U CF has good vibes. Kansas, 622 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: Texas Tech, Iowa State much better vibes now than the 623 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: beginning of the year. 624 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm still not sold on Iowa State vibes, but at 625 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: least there's something competitive about them. 626 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, at least they're better now them they were at 627 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: the start of the year, and they're going great well. 628 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: But West Virginia, k State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma. 629 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: State, TEXTA. I think they're vibes a lot of vibes. 630 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a strong Vibe Conference. Now. 631 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: The interesting thing is PAC twelve vibes are all over 632 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: the place, So Arizona and Arizona, Oregon, Washington are I 633 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: think the vibe kings. Although you there's a case for 634 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: USC like USC's never fully out, never fully in. I 635 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: think there's there's great USC vibes because of the prominence 636 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: of Lincoln Riley and Caleb Williams. 637 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: Not in Bill Plashki's column, there isn't. 638 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: Well whatever, Bill Plashki had them twelve and zero before 639 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: the season. He's swinging back and forth, respectfully. 640 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: Disagree on USC vibes. 641 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: I think that's you don't think USC brings like you 642 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: don't think you see USC on the grid? 643 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: You're watching not anymore. No, over the course of the year, though. 644 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: It frustrates me to watch them at this point. No, 645 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: people want to see Caleb Williams play football. I'm sorry. 646 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: He might be the single vibe king of the of 647 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: the sport. Do you want to watch Utah? 648 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: Do you want to watch UCLA, cal uh Wazoo underrated 649 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: cal vibes this year scored fifty against USC. 650 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: That was a fun game. They've scored points against teams, 651 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: score points against Washington. The offense finally got good. UCLA 652 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: doesn't bring a ton of vibes. Utah definitely did not 653 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: bring a ton of vibes this year. What about Colorado? 654 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Colorado vibe king. Everybody wants to see Colorado 655 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: definite vibe king. 656 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 657 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: Stanford actually, for the most like, Stanford brought pretty decent 658 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: vibes this year, even in losing effort. They got Sheldon 659 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: certain games. This is a shell game. I think there's 660 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: a majority good vibes in the PAC twelve. What about 661 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: the SEC vibes? Close it out with the SEC. 662 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll continue the conversation over on Patreon 663 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 3: ever ballers dot com. I mean, look, great vibes at Georgia, Missouri, 664 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 3: great vibes at Alabama. I think to some extended LCU 665 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: because of Jayden Daniels, you'll watch that game. You'll watch 666 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: all miss good vibes there after that, though it does 667 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: start getting late early. 668 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: The East does not hold up its own like. I 669 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 2: don't think Florida State, South Carolina, Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee you 670 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: can talk me into because of the better versions of themselves. 671 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: I basically think other than Mississippi State, the entire West 672 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: brings it. 673 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: You could talk me into that. 674 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm always interested in watching a Max Johnson game always. 675 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know what's going to happen. I would 676 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: agree with that. 677 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: So I think A and M brings the vibes, even 678 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 2: though it's ultimately a very disappointing tenure for Jimbo. 679 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, strong vibes conference. I think the SEC holds its 680 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: own for the vibes. Okay, well, look right in, solverablegmail 681 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: dot com. 682 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: Let us know what we got right, what we got 683 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: wrong in terms of conference pecking order. We didn't disagree 684 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 3: all that much. We both agreed no SEC is first. 685 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: Where we disagreed is on second and third. I've got 686 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: big twelve, packed twelve. You've got Pack twelve, Big twelve. 687 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: We agree. 688 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: Then it's big ten and acc right in against Solverabletgmail 689 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: dot com. Hit us up on social media. What we 690 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 3: do now is we continue this episode. It is a 691 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: full episode that gets posted out to Patreon at verbal 692 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: dot com. If you made it this far, if you 693 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: enjoyed the conversation, please do let us know the vibes. 694 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: Let us know the vibes on this episode. We'd appreciate it. 695 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: Of course, hit subscribe a fall We'll talk to you soon.