WEBVTT - A Lesson in Black History: There is no one answer 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:43.960 Laugh he laughing with if you watch Coffee time to Baby, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.400 you know the name Flame, my role also known as 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.000 my role Flame. Come in with last and come in 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.519 with jam love lounds. Baby, you better catch it when 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.000 you can't drop a knowledge from fatherhood to politics, shouting 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.279 now comics, just paying homice. What's up? Tip? Yeah? You 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.960 know she ray shot towns On speaking to the ground 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.920 a second. We're gonna last cut of the kicking and 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.199 at the end we leave it with just a lifty spirit. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.080 You think you want to revisit, so your first like 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.480 a listen Jill, folks like it's lif all folks that 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.440 we dig it to. No kiss, do what you do, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.520 no kiss, do what you do? Can't no kiss? Do 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:41.680 what I do? No fish? Hello, come in, come in, 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:47.200 come in, Come on in, Come on in your room. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.640 Hello ladies, John, come on in with Leve learned with 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.960 with Flame, Monroe, Nick Smith and Loreen Hogan and Lauren Hogan. Hello, 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.640 Mikey Mark. I was trying to look up. We were 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.720 trying to mirrory the TV, but is completely now. She 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.240 has so many heads that she's wearing for this show. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.800 Since deal with me. I'm just like y'all know, manager, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:16.080 co hosts audio engineer audio engineer oxtail Bringer. It's been 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.160 a lot. Well, let's welcome everybody to laugh and learn. Officially, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.920 as you can see, we have a bit of a 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.640 different setting going on today. We're under construction. Like me, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.079 we're under construction and fix it. Yes, everything will be fixed, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.160 hopefully by next week, and then we might have some 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.919 new signage in another two or three weeks and it'll 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.919 be the official setup that y'all are going to get. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.760 So we are under construction to work with us. The 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.639 mouth and the man ain't stopped, but the backdrop is different, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.040 and we still have our kindle and our triple, so 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.959 a much change, but the frame the team is still 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:52.360 the team. Some of us gained a little weight, was 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.240 that so blue? You know what? I some tacos yesterday. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:02.400 I cooked, I'm happy whatever, and she head tacos this morning. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.360 I didn't eat any this morning. I just had my 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:10.560 smooth because I know you was gonna talk about it myself. Hello, Flames, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.760 welcome to laugh and learn. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.560 It's good somewhere because we look good, we smell good. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:22.880 I feel she was touching me, So we're gonna have 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.600 a great show today. We got some major topics we're 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.720 gonna bring in our party because you know, some things 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.280 happen this week in the news. Some names we will 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:35.960 mention and some names we won't exactly. Um, So this 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.080 is Black History Month, which is almost over with the 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.720 twenty second day of February, and uh, I want to 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:48.840 acknowledge two black historians. One would be um Mr Copeland, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.200 so Lauren can talk more about about Mr Copeland. And 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:53.600 I want to say the other one before I forget, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.160 because you know I forget, it's Harriet Tubman. So we'll 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:00.440 start with Mr. Copeland. Because Lauren is a technically trained dancer. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.240 She's a donout, which is a Davie Allen Dance Academy. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.120 She is a donout for years. So Laura really can dance, y'all. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.240 Laura can can kick to this top of this garage. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.480 Let me just let y'all know I can't. Yeah, it's 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.880 it's a huge milestone. And the first black ballerina, let's say, 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.320 in a major company in the US, was actually Lauren 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.200 Anderson and she danced for Houston Ballet Um. But Misty Copeland, 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.280 it was a huge milestone for her in that American 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.599 Ballet theater um has been around for you know years. Uh, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.720 the exact number, I'm not sure, but she was the 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.680 first black ballerina to ever be the principal dancer for 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.159 the company. UM. And it's it's a huge milestone to 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.120 have you know, Um, black ballerinas in general. UM it's hard, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.719 you know, because to be a ballerina you have to 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.440 have a certain shape, a certain build. UM. In Russia, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.400 for instance, you know, when you're like nine years old, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.080 they literally assessed you to see if you have the 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.320 body to be a ballerina. UM. So black women in 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.240 general were everything from A to z uh. So, to 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.039 finally have someone who doesn't fit the you know, the 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.400 stereotypic mold. She's very muscular. You know, she's got boobs. Um. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.640 It was just an exciting sight to see. And she's 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.919 done so much to really engage young black women to 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.920 say and you know little girls too, to say you 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.919 can do this as well. You know, she's transcendent and 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.840 broken barriers. You know, she's been the face for Armor, uh, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.039 the fitness brand. UM. She's written children's books. UM, she's 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.479 performed at the Grammys. She was Prince's muse. She just 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.240 encompasses so many different things. So the simple fact you 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.039 know that she finally got that recognition to say, hey, 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.280 I'm the first black ballerina for the American Ballet Theater, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:44.960 which has been typically I'm gonna be honest as a 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.400 racist company. It was huge, It really was. So congratulations 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.680 and hats off to Misty Copeland. I think Lauren I 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.280 first became aware of her after watching So You Think 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.080 you Can Dance? You know, for those of us who 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.560 don't know the history of dance, I think more often 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.080 than not, that's one of the areas where we're made 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.520 familiar with some of the people who dance because you 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.599 are a fan of that show too. You love the host, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:13.520 Oh my god, Nicola, but it sounds so it's sound 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.560 because my mother loves So you Think you can? Uh, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.400 So you think you dance? And what's a dance with 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.039 the Stars? And I'm like, mom, nobody watches. Actually I 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.560 love my Dace with the Stars. You're gonna leave. My 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.880 dadkces with stars. Alonge and some of them have gone 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.520 on or either started with so she knew some of them. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:27.960 She's like, oh, so and so and so you're thinking 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.240 of dance. Now they're dancing with the star star. I 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.760 love dancing with the stars. To dance with this, I 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:38.200 love y'all. Look, I love y'all. Um, Nick, Mr Copeland 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.720 to me, because what's Lauren what you said about boots 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.919 Because I know they want a ballerina, principal ballerina to 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.440 be pretty much like a twelve year boy, like a 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.560 stick figure, like straight up and down. No seriously, no, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:54.839 no booty, no enhancement, because what you are is the 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.840 representation of whatever that dances. So you really are invisible 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.760 as the character. You're just presenting the character. I don't 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.360 want to see you as that person, so you could 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.200 be dropped the gorgeous beautiful. It's not like people not 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.320 going to see that. Whether you're you know, playing Black 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.920 Swan or the Swan from Swan Lake. Um, you know 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.960 it's gizelle. Whatever that character is, you definitely have to 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.880 emulate it. I would have been all this booty and 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.000 these t nobody would have been out to the Black Swan, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.480 the Black Crush, because I'm would have failed straight down 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.240 on me. I mean, honestly, that's probably the reason why 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.120 I didn't necessarily want to become a ballerina, because one, 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.360 I was always worrying about my weight and just personally, 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:35.800 my weight goes up and down, you know, we joked 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.280 about it on the show. But also too, I didn't 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.400 like taking class, which is so important. It's a part 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.480 of your foundation. You know. If you don't go to class, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.680 you can't perform. And I just wanted to be in 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.600 rehearsal and I wanted to be on stage, and that 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.080 just this mold. I also didn't want to lose paycheck 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.200 to paycheck either, and I wanted some more instability in 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.280 my life. But it's all of those things. It's a 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.040 lot to be a dancer. I have to you know, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.040 upkeepe your body and the injury ease, and it's it's 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.560 a lot, it really is so and that was my 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:10.560 whole life from five until that's just years ago. Yeah, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.560 I respect the art of dance. I respect the discipline 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.800 that comes with dance. And I only know this from 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.000 doing the campaign with you guys last year. But I 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.800 saw those kids diligently rehearse and rehearse and reheard, and 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.720 I was like, I'm done. Let me tell you why 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.680 those kids love me so much. Because I was the 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.440 star of the show, and I said, I made ten 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.559 minutes for the bathroom. Guess what, everybody got to get 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.240 a break because I got ten minutes for the bear. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:40.280 They fucking loved me flame. You also mentioned Harriet Tubman. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.440 What what may? What what may? Harry tell me come 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.840 to mind today? There's your story of determination black woman 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.599 saving the get saving the day way back in the 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.199 eighteen sixties before recognition. Why they tell me they don't 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.000 want to put her on the twenty dollar bill a 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.640 black woman saved day? I just personally, my joke is 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.920 I think that Harriet Tubman was the first trans man 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.880 because he was looking for a black woman. I think 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.520 Area was quite masculine looking because she got away over 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.400 and over and over, hadsong until you hear it. Because 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.680 I really came back and got nobody ain't coming back 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.800 to getting newbody. I'm not the last. And me let 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.120 me tell you, I don't like to be I never 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.480 like to be spanked. I never like to be hit. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.760 I never like nobody put their hands on me. I 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.520 know I would have been a horriblest like god. I 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.400 would have told on everybody, And honestly, I don't know 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.959 if I mean it's an interesting to watch, but you 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.800 don't know if you're gonna be able to survive that too, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.040 Like I don't know what that mental capacity took. You 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.080 know that due diligence, that strivee. I don't know what 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.120 that was like back then. So LA determin nick exactly 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.200 and no, determine that works, because that's what this is. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.040 I think this is all why we recognize the platform 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.960 we have. We stand on the shoulders of giants, we 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.920 really do. And it's one of those moments where, yeah, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.360 we have a month to celebrate, but every day is 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.720 worthy of recognizing the accomplishments of our ancestors because our 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.680 assessors endure things that we sit here and say, I 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.319 don't know if I could have taken it. You think 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.280 they wanted to take it. They did what they needed 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.839 to do in that moment to survive and be with 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.880 them families and lean on faith. So yes, absolutely, my 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.160 shoutout kind of ties into that flame. I want to 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.600 recognize this for Black history as well, because you all 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.600 know earlier this week I was trapped out of town, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.400 couldn't travel. I woke up to my hotel middle of 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.640 the night. Literally I felt like the spirit called me, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.280 turned on TV and a program was on called The 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.480 Black Church, This is our History on PBS. Don't know. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.559 They hadn't heard anything about it, and all it did 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.520 was just talking about the history of the Black Church 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.839 and what it means for the community. You guys, they 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.520 want everything over, everything from the Hawkins family to um 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.520 pastor Eddie Hawkins, you know, flame you and I've talked 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.400 about Tremaine Hawkins and Sylvester and the tie to the 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.880 church and how all of it is just tied together 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.480 into our history. So my shout out is for everybody 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.960 to try to catch that as they can. And I 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.880 believe it's narrated by uh Skip Gates, so it is. Uh, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.600 it's fantastic on PBS, The Black the Black Church. You know, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.760 all you Bible total thumpers don't here, all you Christians 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.280 don't here, and all you all you what they call 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.920 it Bible bell folks on here right now. When y'all 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.000 say gays don't go to church. If they don't, it 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.360 ain't no quiet, I promise you. It's always a city 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.680 in church, and it's always the city acquired usually acquired director. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.400 Let me just say, allowed, lord, what's this black history? 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:27.240 Blacker historian represents for you this week. I mean Mr Copeland, 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.240 I mean you kind of took the debate for me, um, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.280 because I know we kind of talked about that. Well, 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.720 what about Judith Jamison. You know what, it's so interesting 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:41.760 that you mentioned Judith Jamison. Judith Jamison was one of 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.520 the baddest dancers. I have to say, black, tall, tall, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.120 drink water at Alvin Ailey. Um. You know Miss Allen, 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:50.920 you know she's my mentor. We talked about her, Debbie Allen. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:57.280 She always compared me to her because I would be 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.640 in class and I was always tall. I was always tall. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.640 I have really long legs, and I was really insecure 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.800 about my height when I was younger, to the point 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.199 that I would kind of like close myself off when 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.320 I was dancing so that way I could kind of 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.120 blend in more. And I always had to do more, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.840 like I had to be a step ahead of everybody 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.160 because I had more to move always. So Miss Alan 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.440 used to always be like Miss thaying, think of Judith 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.679 Jamerson and kick them legs up. If you kick somebody, 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.480 so what kick him? No, move out the way. You 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.199 have to be long, you have to be tall. She 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.720 was like, do you know how many times I danced 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.160 next to Judie Jamerson and I just wanted to have 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.200 her height and her leg and her reach. So that 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.360 was always an example that she gave to me. So 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.400 that's probably is why I love her so dearly. She 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.839 really encourages you to be your best self. So it's 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:43.200 so interesting you brought up Juice Chambers. I want the 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.240 water and everything. Let me tell what I loved about 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.400 Judith Damson. She was a grand evil like like she 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.800 walked in like very secily Tyson, rest in pieces. I 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:58.600 always seem her presence was always I'm watched me very 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:08.280 very what's the black um Jesse Norman? Like I'm in 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.760 the room, nothing else is in here. This goes back 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.520 to something else you always talk about too. I think 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.000 it's that confidence, right that if you can instill that 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.000 confidence in a person and person who walks into a 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.080 room like you can't tell me anything, and it's not arrogance. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.920 It's a confidence where they they are comfortable in their spirit, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.160 they're comfortable in their body, and and and it just 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.840 moves into shows absolutely two more things I want to 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.319 make sure we touch on before we go to our 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.040 topics today. I want to talk about no please, I 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.000 want to talk about I also want to recognize for 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.800 Black History quickly, Regina King. We touched on this before, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.319 but Regina King just made history Golden Gloves making history 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:46.480 nominating three female directors, and Regina King for being nominated 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.640 for One Night in Miami. So I still haven't a 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.120 chance to check that out. But I want to give 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:51.800 Regina a shout out to because I know we all 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:57.440 love her as well, and she holds this Saturday Night Live. Yeah, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.439 so she's Yeah, congrats to her, and I think her 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.640 directing career is really kicking off. So I'm really excited 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:10.280 for her. I'm proud of girl. Who would have thought. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.199 It just goes to show you that if you stay 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.040 in it and you stay focused and you've got people 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.800 around you to keep you lifted up. Look how she 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.880 has come from playing Little Brenda onto seven. Wow. I 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.480 just want the catlet commercial? Should I want to? I 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.120 just want the commercial. You know, we talked about it earlier, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.920 We kind of alluded to it. We've had a couple 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.840 of celebrity losses this uh in the last week, and 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.520 I want to recognize two of them, Uh, Larry Flint, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.160 and I say that simply we know him as Hustler magazine. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.440 But Larry Flint really was a leader in free speech 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.560 in so many ways because he challenged and took his 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.000 case to the Supreme Court. And someone I was not 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.120 familiar with, ladies, um, Johnny Pacheco. And the reason this 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.720 stuck with me Johnny Pacheco, who was a Dominican musician. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.680 I know we have a huge his in the community 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.400 and and so many people are Latino who follow us 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.160 and are from the Islands, but I guess Johnny Pacheco 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.840 was a Dominican musician considered to be the godfather of Susa, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.600 and this is what got me. He's famous for popularizing 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:18.280 Latin music and made a star of Celia Cruise. My 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.840 Celia Cruise story. I remember because you know, um, I 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.920 remember seeing this beautiful black woman who was, you know, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.040 full figured in everything there and I remember saying to 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.240 my mom it blew my mind because she didn't speak English, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.000 she spoke Spanish, like, Mom, how can a black woman 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.360 do that? And my mom was like, because baby, she's 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.200 from the Islands. Yeah, she she's not black. And I'm like, 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.000 but as a kid, you don't know. And so all 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.640 that to say it was just one of those things 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.240 that just a beautiful woman who you know, was I 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.880 believe helping you guys. I think Celia Cruise was Cuban 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.680 uh one one okay, but just just amazing. So yes, 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.800 that that was the shout out I wanted to give 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.440 to Mr Poteco. And I think that's interesting too because, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.600 like my I grew up in New York, so she's 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.520 always been aware of the melting pots of you know, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.200 the black community, whether you know or after Latina or 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.800 whatever you are, so um, she's always kind of had 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.200 the eye to be able to identify who's who. Um. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.040 But I think that's also important to talk about two 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.880 because a lot of people don't understand that, you know, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.920 black comes in like fifty million different shades. It's not 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.640 just one shade, you know what I mean. And we 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.200 all have different backgrounds, we all have different you know, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.840 genetic makeup. That that's what makes us so special and 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.920 so authentic. Um kind of had that revelation. Tou Nic 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:36.920 Flames comedy colleague Ada Driguez does a show called Truth Serum, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.600 and she literally just did a whole just did a 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.240 whole piece on after Latina and how she even is 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.560 aware of her privilege being lighter, and she's like, you know, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.240 we come in every shade. She has members of her 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.040 family who she says are darker than me. So that's 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.720 just another example of how how many different shades we 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.920 come as people of color. So yep. Ms Cruz was 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.720 one of the first women to make the shoes that 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.920 look like the heels that look like it didn't have 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.920 hell it cut away, ay and b. I used to 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:04.919 do drag shows and when the Latin girls would do 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.760 but the whole Bible would erupt, Oh my god, and 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.520 all the Latino people in the place would go berserk. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.359 I thought it was right. I almost got my shirt 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.000 and ran out one day, and so it ductor baby, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.720 all the Latino people go crazy. You know who else? 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:25.040 They do that for Selena, Oh Selena. It's like her 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.160 fans are like to be had. Say something wrong about Selena, 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.480 the Lattin people will cook you in the pot. I 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.679 say that down, I've had something. It was tasty tween 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:40.000 Selina's voice in that body, she was, you know, just phenomenal. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.520 So yeah, so rest in peace Mr Larry Flynn and 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.919 Mr Johnny Pacheco. But not everyone is, you know, worthy 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.320 of us are talking about. So yes, yeah, we got 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.040 some other people this week. I'm not gonna say no 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.440 names because their names need not be mentioned on this platform. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.840 But in the words of the Lake poet, the great 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.280 Mark Twain, and I'm gonna try to quote it perfectly 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.359 and perfectly, he said that I have never wished a 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.679 man did, but I read many obituaries that have given 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.120 me joy. Uh indibituary and even out. But I'm smiling 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.960 like a chess you cat, Oh my god, you guys 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.360 before I know our flame ma's are ready to sound 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.040 out because flame, you gave everybody homework. And before we 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.480 get to their homework assignment, do we need to recognize 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.080 how people have been sounding off on the internet about 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.840 Joe Biden having lied and uh, the latest with Ted 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.600 Cruz and Governor Cuomo. So let's first of all, let's 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.600 start with Ted Cruise because I know people are gonna 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.320 drive him in the comment because I feel like we 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.040 need to also have a clear, clarifying conversation around Biden. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.800 But let's just disgust Nick, if you can just remind 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.960 us all what exactly Ted Cruise did this past week 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.040 that have people in an uproar well, Ted Cruise did 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.000 what I get, but I'm not a representative senator for 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.240 the state during the middle of a tushee Nicholas touch 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.159 so so Mr Cruz chose to go where it was 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.280 warmer and vacation for a bit because the conditions at 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.320 home were uncomfortable. Well, guess what, Mr Cruz happens to 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.320 represent a constituency in Texas who expects him to be 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.040 there and hopefully fighting for them during difficult times. Mr 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.240 Cruz chose to jump on a plane and go to 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:22.040 Cancoon with his family. And not only that, After being confronted, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:27.000 Mr Mr Cruz blamed his daughter for the reason he 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.760 was down there. Now, mind you, he his wife, his daughter. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.560 We now know they invited a couple of friends with 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.080 whom he had gone to college with h so this 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.879 was not a spontaneous moment like he later said. Oh, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.480 I just went down to make sure they got there safely. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.760 Mr Cruz was outed by the media for not being 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.440 in town in the middle of a crisis while many 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:52.840 Texans are still suffering. And it's difficult because Texas loves 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.520 to moderate and legislate a woman's uterus, but will not 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.800 legislate and moderate a solid here an electricity supply in 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.520 the time of a crisis. That's something that needs to 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:09.159 be looked at. That's it, and Ted Cruise, it's not 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.520 even I kind of made a comment when I first 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.280 saw everything that was happening in the media. I was like, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.399 is he really that stupid or is he really just 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.560 that arrogant? And I had to take a second and 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.280 realized Ted Cruise is actually really not stupid. It's no 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.080 different when he made the comment, um, when Joe Biden 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.160 rejoined the Paris Accord and he went and said, oh, 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.879 this is gonna take away thousands of jobs from people 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:34.040 living in Pittsburgh, and so he Ted Cruise intentionally does 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.159 things that, um, you know, it exhibits that he doesn't 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.800 care about his people, he doesn't care about his community. Hell, 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:41.720 he doesn't care about his family because he let Trump 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.560 talk major crap about his wife and now he just 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:49.440 blamed his daughter. So and then on top of that, 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:55.200 the clue to grass he left his dog outside you 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.040 know where the dogs? Oh my god. So I I 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.919 really hope that this is the cool to girl for 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.840 him to not be re elected, because I think he's 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.840 up for re election because the yeah, so I hope 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.280 in two years, Texas, you remember all that Ted Crews 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.199 did and how he left y'all hanging and left his 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.760 dog out in the cold and blamed his daughter for 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.720 what he did, and I'll re elect him. And let's 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.480 break that down. Let's break those three things down, because nigger, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:27.600 you left the dog. Let's start with that. You left 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.600 the dog. Y'all have more connection about what was the 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.960 name crazy Karen in Central Park over the dog than 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.840 you did over the black man, because she's dragging the 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.600 dog around, swinging them around, and like y'all more angry 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.600 about that. Second of all, y'all new Ted Cruise when 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.480 ship what Lauren just said, He allowed Donald Trump to 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.240 disrespect his wife publicly in his face and call her ugly, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.800 and then you still jumped on his camp. Then, nigga, 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.360 you turn around and sell out your kid and say 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.440 you were going on the vacation because your daughter wanted 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.919 to go. Understand and that the DNA of this person 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:03.960 is not the DNA of a man. This is the 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.439 DNA of a coward. Loren says, she thinks that he 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.119 knows what he's doing. I disagree. I knew the nigga 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:11.800 was bat she had crazy when he stood on the 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.399 Senate floor, in the Congress floor and talked for twenty 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.400 four hours about green eggs and ham. First of all, 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.880 I read that book when I was four. Second of all, 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.560 if the eggs is green and the hand main brown, nigga, 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:24.960 I don't want it. You give it to your mom. 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:26.920 I'm sorry, give it to your wife or your daughter. 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.800 Since you blame him for everything else. You should have 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.320 left it with the dog, since you left him in 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.639 the gold. I'm just saying I said it, and I 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.600 think the food of ross me today was um. I 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:40.040 was watching the Senate hearing for Merrick Garland to become 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.200 a g for Joe Biden, and Ted Cruz had the floor, 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.879 and he had the nerve to say, you know, he 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.399 basically tried to say that Eric Holder, who is Obama's 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.560 former Attorney General, Um sat in when sat sat in 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.040 his confirmation rather and said he would be by partisan 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:00.960 and he wouldn't be you know, for his party or 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.800 whatever the situation. Maybe so tech crewis have the nerve 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.160 to sit there and basically shame Eric Holder and talk 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.679 crap about Eric Holders, saying that he didn't uphold his 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.240 values of the Constitution in terms of you know, not 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.560 being bipartisan. You're supposed to remain a political but I'm like, 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.840 did you forget what bar did? So he's very hypocritical. 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.240 I'm just really over tech crews in general. I think 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.080 Cress really upset a lot of people. And for the record, 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.800 going on the record, Mary Garland will be confirmed, not 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.800 even worried about hopefully tex Hopefully the person the people 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.880 who have has been effected the most about Texas right now, 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.200 I mean back cruise, which is Texas. Will get your 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:41.960 assets up and vote because he can only vote for 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.720 himself one time. Y'all keep voting him and I'm not 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.840 blaming y'all, but yeahs, y'all got to get him out. 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.640 If y'all y'all want to do better, y'all gotta vote 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.959 and do better. Which will go on to the Biden 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.760 lie because had we changed the Senate, Biden's hands would 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.080 not be as tired as they are. They're trying to 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.480 rail rod him to any way he did. Barack Obama 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.359 and pigeonholed him to world. He only had a limited power. 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.680 We have to change the Senate to more people that 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.480 look and think like us, even Republicans. It's not all 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.200 bad Republicans. They just got a bad rep right now 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:17.080 because the Trump But all Republicans are not bad. But 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:23.040 what was that Biden the lives of with that we're 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.399 not gonna get the fifteen an hour from minimum wage 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.439 and that they change the income bracket I think for 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:33.520 the four d dollars stimulus checks, but they MS McConnell 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.879 is still only mission and then enough power with you 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.080 all listen to what the school who is not longer 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.320 the president, he still say Windom and y'all should be 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.280 blaming them other senators. We have forty three for us 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.400 and what it was forty three, forty seven, fifty three right, 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.320 y'all need it? We needed more senators, Republican senators to 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.440 join with us and stop being afraid they are terrified 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.600 or whatever power this food holds over them. And the 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.879 collateral damage is the American people. I eat. I'm an 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.800 American person. This is this is my issue, and I 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.040 don't think people are gonna like what happens. That's I'm 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.960 gonna say. This is my issue. Um, the problem I 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.720 think that we have. We'll all speak specifically to the 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.840 Democratic Party because I'm a part of the Democratic Party. 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.879 I vote Democratic. The problem that I have and I 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:22.719 think this is similar to the conversation that we had 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:27.359 around Lovery Lightfoot. We as a party are so quick 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:32.560 to attack each other and to I understand holding us accountable, 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.560 but we're so quick to attack each other. Something doesn't 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.680 happen quick enough, or you know, we're gonna criticize each other. 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.240 All that does is give more credibility to the Republicans 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.320 or you know, the far right, whoever we want, whoever 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.840 we're gonna, you know, put them over there with. It 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.800 only gives them more credibility when it comes up time 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.960 for re elections to happen, for us not to get 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.000 into office. So my issue is Joe Biden has been 0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.920 in office for all of thirty days, a little over 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.360 thirty days, and y'all are mad already, like, oh my god, 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:03.960 he hasn't done this fast enough. He hasn't done this 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.439 fast enough. It took George Bush, because they're ready forgets 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.320 how bad of a president George Bush was. It took 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.479 him eight years to lead us into a recession, and 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.360 it took Barack Obama eight years to lift us out 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.879 of it. And yes, people can argue that Obama didn't 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.520 do everything that he promised, But none of y'all have 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:23.879 been president, So chill out one. Y'all have no idea 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.359 what that office hold. You'll have no idea what he's on, 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:28.800 what's on his plate every day, and the myriad of 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.600 things that he has to combat. Yes, we elected him, 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.600 but give Joe Biden at least a year. He hasn't 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.280 even gotten his whole cabinet together yet, and y'all are 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.439 mad trying to criticize him and all that's gonna do 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.520 in four years when they get somebody else in the 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.639 Republican Party to be the nominee, whether it's not Trump, 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.919 y'all gonna give that person credibility to come with the 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:48.720 strategy to say, well, look what Joe Biden did. And 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:55.560 all these Democrats were upset about it. Chill out. Did 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.919 you hear what she's saying? She said, Yeah, it's a 0:26:57.920 --> 0:26:59.760 lot on his plate. You don't know what's on his plate. 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.720 We new what was on the last president plate McDonald's 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.520 country yourself. But don't forget he held up Taco bell 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.840 for single DEMYO. So Joe Biden a lad. Joe Biden 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.159 has tried and he's going to continue to try. We 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.840 have to work with him. I completely agree with what 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:23.760 Laurence said, we always so quick. He is not Helen Keller, 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.400 he is not a miracle working. He's just one man. 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.440 And he did win, and we voted for him to win. 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:31.800 So we have to have a little more patience to 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.120 let him get into this job. When you start, your 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.480 new job is to learn by doing process. Should we 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:38.400 still try to learn how to hook up this damn equipment? 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.280 But you need to let us a learn by doing process. 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.679 And you have to have patience to work with the people. 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.119 Y'all too quickly, this councel culture and what has not 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:51.000 been done. Stop. I'm back to Kennedy. That's not what 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.920 your what your president can do for you, ask what yourself, 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:55.960 what you can do for your damn president. We should 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.000 be upholding him all the negativity in this country, with 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.720 this whole Corrunna Bouyer crap. We need to really stand 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:04.800 behind him, and we're gonna have to be on the 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:08.000 roller coaster of mistakes and and on the successes of 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.199 this presidency because this is who we chose. This who 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.760 we chose. We talked about it for weeks before and 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.400 half months. This is who we chose work. Let's work 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.120 with this party. And and I'm talking to the Democrats 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.000 called Republican mad about everything. They just man, they know 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.760 they sucked up putting their in in position to be 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.840 their spokesperson. So they still man. I'm talking to the Democrats, 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.000 have some patience. Back it up, pull out, and I'll say, 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.680 this is the one thing that you can be mad 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.919 that I'm kind of mad about the Democrats about is 0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:39.360 the impeachment managers that ran Donald Trump's impeachment. I'm upset 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:40.960 with them. If y'all want to be mad at somebody 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:42.720 being mad, be mad at them because I feel like 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:44.880 they didn't do their due diligence to really get the 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.040 votes that they needed in terms of bringing witnesses forward. 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.760 You know, the subpoena Donald Trump and he said, well, 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.960 I'm not complying. I don't know anybody any other American 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.040 that gets subpoena and can just say I'm not coming 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:58.200 and not get arrested and put it in jail. So, 0:28:58.240 --> 0:28:59.960 if y'all want to be mad at some Democrats, even 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.000 at the impeachment managers, that they didn't do all that 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.640 they could have to really get Donald Trump impeached for 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.960 the second time. I think I think with with that, 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.719 I'm just gonna say that I think that was a 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:13.320 tough road to hold. I think that many walked in 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.040 already having decided how they were going to vote, regardless 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.200 of the amount of evidence put forward. What I did 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.920 think that they did. Unlike the first impeachment, I felt 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.320 like this was less of a show and more by 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.160 the numbers and straight to the point, like, look, we're 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.040 not going to belabor the point. I love the way 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.959 they laid out their case actually, with the whole timeline 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.760 of events and what the uh the former president was 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.640 doing at the time. But I agree with you, I 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.760 just wish that more could have possibly been done to 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:39.840 follow through with witnesses and things like that. Now that 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:43.080 we know people definitely want to testify. I want to 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:44.520 say this because I know we want to move in 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.600 and open the floor. Why don't we move Governor Cuomo 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.200 as we continue to learn more to next week. That 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.440 will give people a chance to kind of figure out 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:53.960 what's happening with that, so that we can give our 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:55.680 flame mets a chance to jump on in there with 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.440 what you want. I think we can talk to I 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:06.200 don't want to attack Andrew only because you know I'm 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.040 gonna have this. Well, it's not even about attacking. I 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.440 think that what we can say is the Governor Cuomo 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.240 have been front and center during UH much of the 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.920 early stages of the pandemic, and now they're just questions 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.120 being brought to light about whether or not all the 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.360 information was presented forward. And I think what I want 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.600 to say more than anything is that I think we 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.800 all deserve to have a bit of transparency wherever the 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.200 science leads, wherever the facts lead. I think that we 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.120 all want to just know exactly what's happening in the 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.280 number of people who may have been um UH failed 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.440 by this virus. Yeah. Well, I'll say this, and I 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.000 may be a little biased because I do like Andrew 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.719 Cuomo as well. My thing is he's relying on his 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.120 scientists and his doctors and his health officials to kind 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.320 of give him the numbers, and I feel like if 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.160 they didn't have their strategy together and you know, all 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:02.320 of their people accurately documenting what was happening, he was 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.680 just relaying the information that he was leaning on his 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.640 experts for and if his experts kind of failed him, 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.200 he's gonna end up being a sacrificial lamb. Now, I 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.120 don't know if that's true or not. You know, maybe 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:13.840 they gave him the information and he didn't do what 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.400 he needed to do with it and provide proper insight 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.280 or you know, proper explanation around it. But I'm leaning 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.200 towards my first inkling is that maybe they were They 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.520 were the epicenter. They didn't know, nothing's ever really happened 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.440 like this in a hundred years. They did the best 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.000 that they could, and you know, maybe some balls got dropped. 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.520 And because he is the governor, he's turning into the 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:38.320 sacrificial lamb. Was being investigated by the FBI. Now, and Lauren, 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.080 can we say this to Lauren Flame? Haven't we always 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.680 said own it? I watched Governor Cuomo said, the buck 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:49.800 stops with me. I take full responsibility. What however this goes, 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.960 I take full responsibility. I never see a leader step 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.920 out and do that. I thought that that right there 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:56.880 was commendable. And let me tell you, when I knew 0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.720 that Andrew Cuomo was pure, full owned gangster, when he 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.120 didn't fall inland with this foolishness, when this whole coronavirus 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.080 this coronavirus came out, and he didn't follow for the 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.000 fauci Oki doke or the Trump who woo, and he 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.040 did what he needs to do for his state and 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.800 his city. That's when I knew Baby Andrew gonna do 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.480 what he needs to do to take care of his people. 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.040 He showed care and he agreed. He showed leadership because 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.280 everybody ain't got leadership. Because you're in a position to 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.479 be a boss, you need to act like when everybody 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.720 just got Some people got the title and don't know 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:29.640 how to do the job. Trust me when I tell 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.000 you mother can do the job. I don't want to 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:33.440 be the governor of New York, but I like to 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.640 live in Manhattan, you know, Fifth Avenue. I'm just saying 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:40.160 or or or or former Seneca, you know, like Lauren 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:44.080 brought up last week. You know because uh that that hey, 0:32:44.120 --> 0:33:10.480 they still owe you your forty acres in the mule? H. Well, 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.360 hello t t J, n lam s t J. She's 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.920 no affection. She's yeah here, she's effectively known on this 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.640 page is t t J. And even though her name 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.880 is Waye Williams on Instagram. So we want to ask you, 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.280 what are your thoughts on it could be over all 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:28.160 the topics we've discussed between Ted Cruise, Joe Biden or 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.080 Andrew Cuomo, give us, give us the goods, well for 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.880 for snake, Ted, you know he knows what he said. 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:42.640 Only relevance is making people hate him because no one 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.840 can blindly be that dumb. And even his wife supports 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.320 him on outlying just things. I mean, when you look 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.640 at her text messages, she was telling people in their 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.040 neighborhood that they were getting ready to go. So none 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.840 of that was by accident. He just thought he could do, 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.960 almost like when Christie government, Governor Christie because his family 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.520 to the beach that was supposed to be closed down. 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.239 Jan how's the weather there in St. Louis? It is 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:14.960 beautiful today. It's like forty six almost fifty. Uh. I 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.879 see that Nellie. Nellie's mansion is for sale. Let's buy it, 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.279 you know. But it's so messed up. I mean, it's 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:25.480 so much, you know, he's left it so long, neglected, 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.680 is so long that it's just a frame of a building. 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.520 And it's too bang. God, it's just too much for 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.040 my talent. But it's it's in a good part of town. 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:41.680 It's Bibe where we have this artificial uh ski slope 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.279 called I can't think in the name of it, but 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.239 it's a nice spot to be in. I like I 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.359 like the buy, I like the bad and rented out 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.440 to two families with section name, you know, just for 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.960 to come up. Yeah, in the area of town that 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.319 it is, that would be an ideal spot for um 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:05.120 our airbnb. But when you get people who really really 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.600 have money, they know how to put their neighborhood covenants 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.360 on lockdown for stuff like that. I have to worry 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.000 about the airbnbs. They don't have to worry about it 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.319 in that neck of the world. Well, Jan, we thank 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.440 you for coming on. You know, we adore you always. 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.000 That is our T T J and T Her name 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.919 is Waite Williams and T T Jan is also thinking 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.600 about starting an advice column for you guys. I'm telling 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.040 you we've been talking about it. We've been talking about it. 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.480 Everybody loves you on this page and and this page 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.520 is about sharing and caring and teaching and if you 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.440 got it to give, give it to us, give it 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.960 to me. I adore when you come on, because I 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.839 think it's great. We always get information. Well that's that's 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:55.360 a virtual hug to all lessons. I'll talk to you. Ye, Hello, Hey, huh, 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.480 why are you hiding the dark? Looking like Erica Badude? 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.399 Turns up lights on travel license on. Let's talk about 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.840 your friend over here that's unforced to be up until 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.080 up until serve two. You're talking about you're talking about 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:13.960 my lawyer, my entertainment journey. You come, Mr John, We're 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.000 gonna talk about his as. We're gonna talk about what 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:17.879 we're gonna talk about them here, we're gonna talk about 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:24.320 after this, Theresa, lets it all look at the baby. Teresa. 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.239 I want to ask you a question. I need you 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:28.480 so first of all, let me introduce you guys to 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.640 this is Theresa Griffin. Records are recording artists, extraordinary entertainment, 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.640 my friend. I play her music always and have introduced 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.360 so many of you. Play mats to Teresa Griffin. You 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.879 know Naked Soul, that's my CD. That's when I love 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.520 and uh we play a lot of her music and 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.560 you guys are so permitiable. How she does tea time 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.800 on Tuesdays and Thursdays on Facebook and Instagram at six 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:52.480 pm eat a Central Standard time every Tuesday and Thursday, 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.640 called tea town when she cooks and sings and all that. 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.480 Any who, we're gonna get past all. We'll come back 0:36:56.480 --> 0:37:00.920 to that. What's blackhood? Historian resonates to you, Teresa, And 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.600 what do you think we're gonna do about us attacking 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:08.160 Joe Biden saying people saying that he lacked Oh my goodness. Well, 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.799 you know a lot of people don't know how many 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.880 entertainers are really black historians. So I'm gonna have to 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.560 start with Earth the kid. Because she was out of 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:22.960 the White House, she was asked to leave before she 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:27.920 ate dinner, speaking yes, but speaking her fine. Uh. And 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:31.600 then she went over, she went abroad and and she 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.360 made a career for herself, h much like Josephine Baker, 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:39.960 but um in a totally different way, say Sebone Darling. Um. 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:41.960 And then she came back and want of Tony and 0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:48.160 did all these other things. So um, entertainers have fought 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:53.480 for so long, Harry, Harry Delafonte. Um, you know Dorothy 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:59.920 Dandrews today, Yes, Nina simone On on such a large scale, 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.560 people thought she lost her mind. But truly what it 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.600 was that she just could not deal with how they 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.960 treated African American artists and how they wanted us to 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.239 be silent and just sing and take it. And it 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.279 broke her heart, It broke her spirit. And so um, 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.600 those I could name several, Oh Billie Holiday, they just 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:26.120 need a movie about, Oh my God, and just think 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.680 how they wouldn't They didn't want her to sing in 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.520 Carnegie Halls so many times, so many times, so so 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.719 so hard she fought to sing there at Carnegie Hall. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.239 And and and how often they broke her heart. You know, 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.160 they don't know what they went through in order for 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:46.200 them to to be so disrespectful these days. So um, 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:50.560 oh you just said something. So you know what you 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.760 just said. For the young artists and for the artists 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.760 out here now we now we know what privileged feels 0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.160 like because some of them feel privileged for the work 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.040 that some of us did way back in the day. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.960 So when we say to white people, you I want 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.600 to understand what white privilege is, or when you say 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.560 people who say they don't understand what privilege is, if 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.080 you're in that situation, then you understand where privilege is 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.839 because you're watching somebody who's younger than you, who's not 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.240 as talented as you, but who has moved in spaces 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.520 that you have created for them not re recognize you 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.320 and not respecting you. I'm telling you it's a double 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:29.840 as sword. If you sit back and pay attention to it, 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:33.880 it is huge on so many levels. Great Great Charles. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.719 When you think about what Charles went through, how he 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:38.879 literally was like, well, I'm not gonna play this venue. 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.520 I'm out of here. The things so many artists that 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.680 they can't even name, and for us to be disrespectful 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.640 to one another, to call each other bitches and house 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.400 Uh wait a minute, now, hold on, no, no, no, 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:59.919 I'm not talking about affectionately. I'm talking about disrespectfully. Yeah, 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.000 talking about disrespectfully and and how we embrace it and 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.160 say it's okay. What Rosa, Parks and all of those 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.959 people went through in order for us to not even 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.960 to not even want to dress respectfully on stage. They 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:19.160 don't understand what queen glamour is. They don't understand where 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:23.080 Queen Glamour came from. You know, it's they don't understand 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.239 the money that goes into Queen Glamour and where they 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:30.120 came from. You know how much money goes into Queen glamor, 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:34.520 the real queen glamor, don't get me started, so any mood. Uh, 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:39.719 we can talk about ten crews behind and and how 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:44.440 people will continue to put in efficient people in office 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:51.000 who don't care about them and wonder why those people 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.279 still I won't care about them. It's like the woman 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.279 who took the snake home with it because he was 0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.919 froz because he had all this beautiful dollar and then 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.280 when he unthought even and then all of a sudden 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.560 he says, why did you bite me? He said, well, come, 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.359 you knew I was a snake when he took me home. 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.880 That sounds that sounds very Adam and Eve, Eve was 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.680 that snake? Frozen? Girl? You're doing us? You knew it 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.600 was warm out there in the grass. Girl. I don't 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:23.160 know why it was, but it was something that was 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:27.760 big about it. Oh. It's always a great story, Teresa Griffin, 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.759 when you know we are doing you. Oh yes, if 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.600 you are not following Teresa Griffin and downloading her music 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:35.920 on or buying her music on iTunes, Apple, Spotify, all 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:40.000 of that great singer can't sing anything has remade Ome Omah, 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:44.879 have remade Marvin Gaye, Uh distant love that that did 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:46.640 you get Grammy nomination. Did you can She won a 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:51.040 bunch of awards for a bunch of awards. Okay, but 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:56.000 you have to download the musical. But yes, man, I 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.360 knew it was something with a Grammy My personal favorite 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.760 sone I got to Okay, I got three my personal 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:05.120 favorites of rose colored Glasses, I can't without You and anymore. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.440 And if you're unfamiliar with those three songs, when we 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.440 get off here, y'all gonna listen to them. And you're welcome. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.800 You're welcome. Thank you. Teresa Griffin every Tuesday, every Thursday 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:17.600 on Facebook and on Instagram, six pm Central Standard time, 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.359 y'all can watch and she and she's a great cook. 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.840 She from Louisiana, you know all them bitches from Luisiana. 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.560 And I had to cook and put voodoo on you 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.920 love listen. So we got to talk about the subject 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.799 that I had. You got to did your homework forward 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.680 because we've got time is moving on, and I want 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:44.840 to talk about the subject of um um, how do 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:49.320 I say it? Okay, So I am that's a transgar couple, 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.880 trans man and the trans woman, and they're they're married 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.040 and they have they had a baby. Now that's not 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:02.800 even the issue because was very um hetero sex to 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:06.600 have the baby, but the trans man was in had 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.160 in vitro fertilization because they were having issues because they 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.759 both started taking hormones so they could have a successful, 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:16.920 uh healthy baby. But the state of Illinois listed the 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:21.480 trans man as the father and the trans woman as 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.040 the mother, right even though the trans man was the 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.040 one who actually had and carried the baby. So technically 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.000 the trans man is biologically the mother even though not 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.480 on the paper, and the trans mother is actually the father, 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.680 but not on paper. So we want you guys the 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.400 way in and tell us what you think about that. 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.760 Maybe I didn't explain it the best. I let launge, 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.799 but because you know, I'm just trying to ABC for 0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.960 you guys, because I know somebody's like, what who yes, 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.960 So to kind of just break it down a little bit, 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:58.120 there was a transgender couple married couple in Chicago. The 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:02.560 trans uh gender man and his name is Miles Brodie 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.440 Davis and the trans woman's name is Precious I'm sorry, 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.919 Brady Davis, and um, they decided that they were gonna 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.399 get married and they wanted to start a family. So 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.840 because of that, um like flames said, they decided to 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:21.120 do in vitro and uh, the transman Miles ended up 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.360 carrying the baby because, like he said on his TLC special, 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.879 he was you know, provided the equipment. So they made 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:30.440 the decision to have Myles carry the baby, and um, 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:33.480 Precious was just very supportive throughout the whole process. They 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.000 actually ended up having a TLC special called My My 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.520 Pregnant Husband and um, Flame, I sent you the Entertainment 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.719 Tonight interview that they did. Um, but I think this 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.800 is something interesting that we can talk about because Flame, 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.680 you are a father for a transgender father, and I 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.040 think that there were some different perspectives here. And we 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.239 can let the Flame mets know too that Precious and 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.319 I actually had we were talking between yesterday and today 0:44:58.360 --> 0:44:59.879 because they wanted them to come on to the show 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.520 and kind of explain their side of their experience and 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.640 then we can kind of have an open dialogue to 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:09.560 see if there's similarities, differences and perspectives or what have you. Um, 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.000 they weren't able to, but UM, we're gonna see if 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:13.759 you can coordinate a separate time to maybe have them 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:17.120 come on here. Um, but Flame, you had some you know, 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.800 really transparent thoughts that I think would be interesting forum 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:24.000 our viewers. Well, the only because I guess some inboxes 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:25.799 about it. When I brought up the subject the of 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.719 the day on the on my on coffee time and 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.520 someone said, well, flame, isn't that the same scenario as 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.279 you and your your baby mama or your You know, 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:39.480 absolutely not, because we have I'm transgender and my baby 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:44.520 mama identified as a transgender. But I've always been my 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.120 children's father and she has always been their mother. Do 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.000 you understand what I mean? So that's the difference. So 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:54.360 this kid will be raised that the father is the mother, 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.880 the actual mother is the who is now the father, 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.719 and the actual father who is now the mother. My 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.120 I have no discoversities, but I think it's great. I 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.560 think it's wonderful to her family. I think it's wonderful 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.600 for love. I've always wanted my own children. I think 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:12.160 the difference is that I'm thinking that my only fear, 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.200 and it's not a fear that I should even be 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.359 concerned about because it's not my damn business, for real, 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.359 But what if the couple don't stay together? And then 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:24.200 would the child be left? So called? And the and 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.480 the trans woman decides that she don't want to be 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.720 a part of the relationship, because you know, sometimes breakups 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.359 are very bitter. I have a very bitter breakup, so 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.040 sometimes they don't want to interact. But my children always 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:35.640 knew that was their mom, and I never tried to 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.400 keep it. What if the one person decides that they 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.440 don't want to be involved, so would the child be 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:45.439 left motherless or fatherless? That was the question I was asked, 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:47.319 and I may not be staying correctly. I promise you 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:51.200 I'm not trying to incite anybody. I'm not enraged, I'm 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:53.919 not angry. I'm very happy for this couple. But I'm 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.200 just asking the question only outside looking in because I'm 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:59.840 kind of dumbfounded about the situation myself. And since I 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:04.600 don't know, we will talk about this, So bring some folks. 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.840 What do you think? By the way, I mean, um, 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:10.960 and they have a beautiful couple. Let me say that 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.560 my thing is this, I'm not I'm not trans so 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:21.759 I can't necessarily whatever. So I can't. I don't feel 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.000 like I can fully speak to that experience because it's 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:28.640 not mine. Um. But at the same time, I will 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.920 say that, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.680 with what you're asking, you're posing because in a way, 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.000 you're kind of playing Devil's advocate, and I in a 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:38.719 lot of ways in my life I do kind of, 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:40.799 you know, operate that way. I think it's always good 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.279 to play worst case scenario because you just never know 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.839 what's gonna happen. So that's been your experience. Is you 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.279 know you were with someone, you know, you guys were 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.280 both a trans couple, you guys had a baby together, 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:55.520 and you guys parted ways, and because of that, you're thinking, Okay, 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.840 this could be the similar situation. And there's other elements 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:00.840 to is where the you know, the trans man was 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.000 as the father on the Brest certificate of the trans 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:06.160 woman listen to as mother. So I think the true 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.600 question is very valid. And I saw him really speak 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.400 to because, like I said, it's not my experience, so 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.400 I don't want to offend anybody. And for the record, 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:17.279 I didn't uh stop taking homeowners because I wasn't taking 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:20.440 them definitely not that one. And I know and I 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.560 know and I did not um. I did not have 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:28.480 to uh do and reach your fertilization because verything works. 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:31.839 It was the old fashioned way. But I really am 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:35.040 intrigued to know my mind because I've watched my children, 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.080 and I'm telling you my children were broken not having 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.480 their mother. Let me say that now and I can 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:44.160 say this publicly. I've seen my children long and long 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.279 for their mother, and sometimes she was just not in 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.640 a place that I wanted them around her. So I 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.840 didn't try to shield them keep them from her. I 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.840 tried to shield them from her because I knew where 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:55.560 it would would go or how it would end up. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.239 And sometimes it really did that. But they had to 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:01.560 experience that. That's all I'm saying, that they break up 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:05.280 will be trans woman who was the mother, who represents 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.400 the mother? You know, stay involved in a lot. And 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:10.000 I'm speaking from a trans woman point where we are selfish, 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:11.920 we want what we want. And if I ain't had 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.640 to handle kids, There's been many days I went in 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:17.040 my bathroom and I am their father, but I identify 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:18.960 as their father. Even though I dressed up like a 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.239 woman to work, I have went in the bathroom like, 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:23.319 good God, could I could have chose something else? I 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.120 could have had to be. I could, but I stayed. 0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:29.520 You know, everybody does not have that capacity to deal 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:35.319 with that, and that's what I'm asking Soper. I know 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.680 that was a lot, but share with us, please your thoughts. 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.080 So I'm taking it all in because it was great information. 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:45.200 But if I can step back and look in to me, 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.360 I don't I think their experience is going to be 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.320 like every other child who has parents that broke up. UM, 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.000 the parents who takes the child hopefully will be like you, 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:58.279 flame involved something that they want and be, you know, 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.080 an active participant. Um I do. I think it will 0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:04.000 be unfortunate. But I don't. I don't see. I don't 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.960 see how it will wait different some of my trans sisters. 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.160 I'm about to LuSE y'all on this one, and I 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:14.160 love you to them. And in respect of biologically born women, 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.120 my grandmother has always said, and I'm gonna say it 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:20.360 publicly again that the difference between because you know, trans 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.920 women loved we we love the Hollywey real women were 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:24.520 real woman and you can be a real woman, you 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.800 can feel like a real woman. Whatever. But my grandmother 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:28.879 would always say, and I believe this, I will watch 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:30.799 her tell my auntie, is this the difference between a 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:33.040 man and a woman is a woman's heart and mind, 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:37.280 a woman's loyalty will A man's loyalty will never stand 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.160 the test of a woman's loyalty. That's the woman's a 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.360 plus and her mind is because you get loyal to 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.600 a person and you stay in longer than you're supposed 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:47.520 to and when then when it's done, when a woman 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.800 is done, she walks away, but she will still always 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.680 have love for her kids. A man can say I'm 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:57.520 out and from the man perspective of me, because it's 0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:59.760 he's weak. From the man and me, I've seen it happen. 0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:02.520 I I've walked away from some things, not my children, 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.920 but I've walked away something and I never looked, and 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.320 I knew I was wrong for walking away from certain things. 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.319 And this is what I'm saying. Will they still stay 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.719 involved for the child? Bobby? And I know I'm saying 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:16.440 it confusing. I know it sounds you know, No, you're 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.320 not confusing to me. I think I still think the 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:24.160 kids are at the same advantage or disadvantage of heterosexual 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.880 couple or anything else I can tell you. I am, 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.959 I'm a single parent. My son's father left at five. 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.239 He just left, you know. But so these kids, well, 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.120 whether they stay with the do what we're calling the 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:37.560 mom or their dad. As long as there's one one 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:41.560 participating parents, I think they're gonna be the same as 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.799 everybody else, good or bad, whatever, you know. I think 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:47.960 I think they're gonna be loved conditionally, and they're gonna 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:53.640 know to treat people, um, with respect. And because their 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:56.239 parents is different, my kids know that because I'm such 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.919 a different looking person that they treat people like with 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.200 respect and you know, and they cord so the love 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:05.520 will be there. I just because they made and they 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.400 made history because Miles was the first transman to be 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:13.839 listed as the father of Illinois. Yeah, no, I think 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:16.879 that's great. And I also think that, um, I would 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:18.919 not have I'm trying to think of the expression used 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:20.640 way back when when you said I wasn't one of 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:24.200 those girls. Miles is one of those guys. I never 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.719 in a million years would have thought that that he 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:32.040 wasn't from birth a man, his voice, his cadence, the 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:35.880 way he just carries himself. UM. So yeah, that was 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.400 because I was I watched all the interviews, I did 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:42.279 all my homework. Everybody, I'm a good student, you're very 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:47.160 very good. You get a thank you. Um. And they 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.200 were talking about I don't know if the two of 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:53.240 you saw the interview where he actually um was pulled 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:55.560 over while they were shopping for baby clothes or shop 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.560 shopping that closed the day of the shower, and I thought, oh, 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:00.840 I don't know. I thought that was tricky because I 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:04.200 have to say, if if I could again looking from 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:06.359 the outside looking in now, I don't know about there 0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:08.880 were five cops or something that piece I didn't understand. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.799 But if I saw a guy that was built like 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:14.200 cam tall lean and all of a sudden with this big, 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:16.960 you know, pouch out front, I don't know if I 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:19.480 would have thought there was something going on. Um. And 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:21.680 also one of the interviews that I saw, and I 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:26.160 wish there was more clarification. I'm sorry, that's the puppy barking. Um. 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:28.880 It sounded like the woman who had lifted his shirt 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:32.160 apologized and felt Terri. That's that's what I got from that, 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:33.800 and I thought that was nice, but it was a 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:37.920 good response. I think it was an over exaggeration of 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:42.279 what they needed to be a shoplifter. Well to then, 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.560 and to your point, buddy, to the nick and eye 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:48.439 for somebody that does not understand trains or they would 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.320 have been baffled. They I'm sure whoever the police officer 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:55.359 was was baffled, because, like you say, Miles is exceptionally 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:58.200 convincing that we have some beautiful trans man. Myles is 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.520 one of the ones that you just don't know. So 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:02.440 to think that you're actually looking at a man he 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.040 tells you that he's pregnant, of course you're gonna be like, yeah, right, trying. 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:09.920 I would I have to exactly, that's exactly, and I 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:13.280 would have felt like two sets, but um, I absolutely 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:16.360 I felt badly they had to happen just before the shower. 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:18.399 I'm telling you, I wanted a dog my whole life, 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:21.239 and this guy, I'm ready, he's fine, Oh, he's fine. 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.640 I just don't want the talent. I would be cheated 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.680 out of having a mummy. No, And I don't think 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:31.399 I hear that. I fail that in every every circumstance 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:35.080 with single parents. Um, you know, it's it's a lousy situation. 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:37.960 It's a super lousy situation. I think you spoke to 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.239 my son, and I'm sure your kids they would rather 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.840 a two parent family or two people that were involved 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:46.279 in it. Technically my kids got three. He she and 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:51.279 we this this will we do our topics now, this 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:53.080 is the he she we segment of the show. We 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:58.080 engage with all of our play nets, so he we continue. Yeah, 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.399 So I don't, but I but I at a tough 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.799 time after listening to all the information. They are a 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:06.239 lovely couple. They like and love. I knock would that 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:11.000 they're not the other side of um. But I think 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.200 that they both tried so hard for this baby. I 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:16.080 don't know. I just don't see this particular couple. I 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.640 can't say about all of her talking in generalities. I don't. 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:20.600 I can't speak to it. But I don't think. I 0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:24.080 think this couple they they remain as you know, parents, 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.279 and I've seen people on here saying they want to 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.279 have another baby. So I think they've had over heels 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.040 in love. I think they're madly and too great. And 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:35.080 the trans women who have children, I'm talking about transant 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.279 who don't that don't engage with their children, don't see 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.719 their children, don't do anything for their children, but love 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:42.440 to scream that they have to. And I'm not seeking 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.200 speaking to anyone personally, but I know plenty of trans 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.040 my trans sisters that do have kids and don't do 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.800 nothing with for their children. And this is what I'm saying. 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:55.880 So I think it's great. I don't want to just say, guys. 0:55:56.320 --> 0:56:00.560 And I said, my trans womens, believe me. You ain't 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.200 gut to say, guys, I'm saying, you know, I don't 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.560 give it. I was to say, I'm just saying my experience. 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:12.439 You know, when i want credit. What's the old what's 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.680 the old joke that that women used to say, if 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.479 you want to chase a man, wait a man away, 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.640 telling that you're pregnant baby. Oh that's a good one. 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.720 That's the old. Well, thank you so much, Bobby. What happened? 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:33.520 Thank you? Wow? That is it is? It baffles me 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.719 that well, I see, I didn't know that police story. 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:41.040 Could you imagine that the police pulling her over. The 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:44.319 story is that Miles was actually in a store and 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.760 was doing some last minute shopping for the baby shower, 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.000 and as he was leaving the store, he was surrounded 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.680 by all these police officers and was like, I mean, 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:54.920 please be gentle, please be gentle, and eight ones pregnant 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:58.200 and what I also saw too part of the special um. 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:02.960 He was having some complications. He had been servics the baby, 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:06.880 so it was all that he was like, gentle, I'm pregnant. 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:13.680 Come on, gorgeous, Hello sweetie, Hi, how are you. I 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.840 was like, we got to bring Michelle in here. I know. 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:24.880 Let me just um now term Tavia done. Yeah, I 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.560 saw the interview. But also they are they are a 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:30.880 lovely couple. Let me just say. And I have nothing 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:35.520 against trans couples, you know that. My issue is that 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:41.480 he had the baby, and obviously he was a she 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.360 and she was a here. I get all that. I 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.000 get all that in the relationship, but my thing is 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:49.040 when they went to register the baby. I have an 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:52.479 issue because even though he's a trans man, he still 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:55.120 carried the baby. Therefore, he still had a wound. So 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.360 in my opinion, my personal opinions, if you still have 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.200 a wound, you're still a woman to that effect, because 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.200 you carried the baby. Because there's no where on this 0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:08.160 planet any man has actually carried a baby and carried 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.640 a baby to termine had a baby. I think there 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.400 was one man where I think they said he tried 0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:16.080 to but he I think he died. Actually, there was 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.840 one story about some man back in the day trying 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.480 to have a baby, but it didn't work out. But 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:25.000 my issue is just the fact that you can be trans, 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.880 you can be in a loving couple, in a loving relationship. 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.120 I just think that when you know the registration part 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.560 of it, I think it's a bit confusing. You can 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.600 live as a trans couple, but at the end of 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.919 the day, he still had a womb, which therefore made 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.600 him able to carry the baby. I am a woman. 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:45.280 If I go cut my hair off tomorrow and put 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:48.760 jeans on and start taking hormone tablets, I'm still a 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:51.600 woman if I don't have any surgery. And even if 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.760 I have surgery, I don't i'd even be able to 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:57.480 carry a baby. That's just my opinion on that part 0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.320 of it. That their their relationship and been able to 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:04.800 raise a kid, there will be like every other normal couple. Man, 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.560 woman doesn't really you know, dogcat, it doesn't really matter. 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.320 But I just believe just that that issue just kind 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:13.440 of got to me. When you know that registration parts, 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.080 I just think it's a bit confusing. And I also 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.840 think in society, you know, we get to the point 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:22.800 where we're letting so many issues in life take precedent 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.760 over you know, an issue, and then it becomes the norm. 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:28.720 I know, you know, we all have to evolve with 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.360 society and everyone has to be equal. But I think, 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:33.680 you know, there comes a point where we are missing 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:37.760 with society as a whole, because you know, man is man, 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.240 woman has children. If it then becomes later on where 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.720 men can actually have babies, I will change my stance. 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:47.120 But as it stands in the twenty one century, men 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.640 cannot have babies, so therefore only with the registration of 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.880 the birth certificate part of their story. I disagree he 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:56.160 should have put him as the mother and she could 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.560 still be the father because they are biology the parents 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:02.680 of the baby. Well, I mean, would be would be different? 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:05.400 Would it be different if there was a way to 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:09.280 identify as a trans father on the birth certificate? Would 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:12.880 you have the same point of view? Yeah, well again 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:17.600 I I I would. I know my perspective would change 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.920 because then legally it would already have it on the documentation. 1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:25.880 He was a transmail, so by common sense, you know 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:27.720 your mother was still a woman, but on the paper 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:30.440 would still be a trans and mail. You know, there's 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.320 some definition because you don't know how the child's gonna 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.080 feel later on down the road. In life. A lot 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:38.320 of these issues that we tend to be put in 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:40.800 as rights. Now in society, we don't know how it's 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.840 gonna affect us down the line. I'm from kind of flames. 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.440 I'm fifty free, so I was then the eighties and 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:49.920 the nineties. You know, when it was just gay and lesbian, 1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:53.000 there was none of the you know, they had drag queens. 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.280 I didn't even have trans I'm talking about in England. 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.640 Then slowly in the late eighties into the nineties we 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:02.160 got trans in, we got gay, we got bisexual. You know, 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:05.000 it's not necessary about this discussion is not just about 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:07.720 you know, your sexual orientation. But I'm just saying there's 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:11.200 so many labels now everything is getting confused. And I'm 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:13.160 not a Christian. I'm not one of these. You know, 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:16.640 man shouldn't be with men, and everyone loves who you love. 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:19.480 I believe that you love who you love. But at 1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:22.640 the same time that the core basis I think sometimes 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:24.400 we are just getting a bit muddled and it's getting 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:31.600 a bit dirty in society. That's all it is the UK, 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:34.600 that's our British corresponding with hell and can I just say, 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.120 can I just in England we had the same situation. 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:43.200 We had two trans women that they obviously were men, 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.080 but they were two trans women. Um, so that means 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:48.840 we're women. They're just as men. And one of them, 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:51.520 who now have two children, had a baby, and in 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:54.840 our papers we reported over here with the first man 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.400 to have a baby. But she was still a woman. 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.520 She still had They both had their wounds, none of 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:04.320 them had um and so corrective surgery, so they were 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:06.240 both still a woman. But they dressed as men, they 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:09.720 had beards, they took hormone replacements, you know, but they 1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:12.200 were still able to carry babies. There was a big 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:13.920 issue about that over here. And that's a good few 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:17.280 years ago. And now they've got two children. Nothing again 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:19.440 wrong with them raising their kids. No one's saying, oh 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:21.760 it's wrong, they shouldn't have the children. But again it's 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:25.560 always an issue of contention because if a man trans 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:28.360 man has a woman, i mean sorry, has a baby, 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:30.440 is he a woman? Is he still a woman with 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:32.840 his womb? And I think if you have your womb, 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:36.000 you're still a woman. Flame, if they're sitting next to you, 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:39.120 we know Flame has his breast, but he also has 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:51.440 his man parts. So but you see again we flame, now, 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:55.120 we we know he is the he she we that's different. 1:02:55.160 --> 1:03:00.080 He's already put out there his his gender difference differentiation. Know, 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.400 I mean is he, there's he, is she, and there's we. 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:04.920 When you want to be trends and then you're telling me, 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:07.040 I'm a man, but I'm having a baby. In my mind, 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:09.920 you're still a woman, but you can be a trans man. 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:11.600 I know a lot of people are not gonna be 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.960 happy with what I'm saying, but that's just my opinion 1:03:17.600 --> 1:03:20.920 of information because and and that my point is just 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:22.840 for when they want to you know, you can have babies, 1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:24.720 you can have them naturally, you can adopt, you can 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:27.040 have any way you want to get you know, given them. 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:28.800 It's just that little thing when they put it on 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:31.160 the birth certificate. You know, maybe that needs to be 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:34.120 changed in the future. But again, I don't want it 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:35.960 to be a case where we start changing all the 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:39.160 boxes in on the sheet. You know, it's a you know, 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:43.120 a non gender pacific parent, it's a this parent, it's 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:45.200 that parent. I don't want the boxes to be so 1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:47.760 many bloody box on paper. It's gone from just being 1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:51.320 mom and dad, you know what I mean. That is 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:56.960 a lot and I'm sorry. It was a great perspective 1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:59.560 and I will never Laurence. I've never done if they 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.160 would have put trans mother or I mean trans father, 1:04:03.640 --> 1:04:06.040 because let me tell you something, if and I'm praying 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:07.680 to things work out, I hope you'll be together and 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:09.360 be married and stay together for a hundre years. And 1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:11.240 I'm not even just coming out. I'm just talking about 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:13.320 in case this ever happens with another couple. Let me 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:16.200 just use another couple of for instance, if I went 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:19.760 to court and the mother gets all the rights in court, 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:21.880 let me tell you something. The mama can pretty much 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:24.240 be a crackhead smoking the pipe in court and turn 1:04:24.320 --> 1:04:28.320 the trick, and depending on the judge, father's rights are 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:32.080 not very great in this country. The mother gets all 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:34.840 the rights because they feel like because the mother carried 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:38.440 and had the baby, that is eight percent the mother's baby. 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:41.160 That I'm telling you what the court system done, especially 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:43.360 when it different. I'm trains. I had to go to 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:47.400 court over and over and over and over to explain 1:04:47.520 --> 1:04:50.160 who I was in my children's lives in order to 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:52.880 get custody to them, but I was always listed as 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:55.880 the father. Do you know if a judge sees that, 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:58.960 who's unfamiliar with something like this, what they're gonna be thinking, 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:01.760 like what you know, I'm not gonna give this child 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.560 to you because I'm afraid you're gonna because you know 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:07.480 how they think about trains people and get people turn 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:10.080 them into you. Nothing could be the truth of my 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.000 kids because they don't even like me like that be 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:15.680 like me. But imagine the naked eye, just like those 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:17.880 police you put up on a man and he said 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:19.680 he pregnant. It's a line of fet me and out 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:24.960 here with big stomachs. But yeah, so it is like Michelle, 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:27.520 it's money in the waters. It's such a great area 1:05:27.800 --> 1:05:30.880 that is scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you were 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:33.040 sorry long and gone no no, no no, no, go ahead. 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:35.680 Now I'm just gonna say, like you said, money, we 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:38.760 just have to kind of see how, you know, things 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:41.080 go further down the line. Everything takes a bit of 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:43.800 time for evolution. So you know, we may get that 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:48.040 box on the birth certificate registration form you know soon, 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:49.919 who knows. But I just don't want it to get 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:53.080 a bit crazy out there with too many boxes, too 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:56.160 many labels, and you know, again nothing with their parents 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:58.120 and they're going to be lovey parents and you know 1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:00.760 what happens in the future happens in the future. It's 1:06:00.800 --> 1:06:02.680 just just for the fact that little thing, when I 1:06:02.680 --> 1:06:04.480 heard about the registration, that really kind of got to 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:09.800 me a little bit, you know much. Thank you, no worries, 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.680 thank you. Since I was a kid, I've always checked 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:16.720 other you know how they have male female other. You 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:18.920 have always have checked other, even when I was a 1:06:18.960 --> 1:06:21.200 young kid, because you know, I was always a strange beach. 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:25.200 I've always checked other. Well, I mean, this is what 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:27.160 I'll say. I don't I just want to clarify that 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:30.960 we're not trying to deny anybody's experience. That's not what 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.200 we're doing. We're simply here to have an exchange of 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:36.760 information because FLAME thought this was an interesting topic. We 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:39.800 haven't really had any LGBTQ topics on the show, and 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:41.400 we thought that this was a good one to have. 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:47.920 So now, hello, misspontagea. Hi, I'm not at home, so 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:50.080 I hope my wife bid is fine. You look great 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:52.400 and we can hear you take that look like you 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:59.360 got a beard, loom. So what are your what are 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:02.440 your thoughts about TASA on this topic? My thoughts on 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:05.440 that topic on that topic is I completely agree with 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:09.520 Michelle and I completely agree with with flame. However, to 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:12.400 each its own, and they are all entitled to their 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:15.360 parents are entitled to their opinion on how they want 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:19.960 their documentation noted. But I just it makes me come 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.640 back to an experience, a very unfortunate situation in my life, 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:28.040 which was like a life altering experience. I was in 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:33.000 a in a m ambulance losing lots of blood I had. 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:36.840 It's a long story anyway, I remember I remember that 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:42.040 the doctors asking me, are you on your period, ma'am? 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.720 And I was like, oh no, I said, I'm trans. 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.479 So once I told him I was trans, he knew 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:52.280 that technically I was mailed. I'm not a position by no, 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.200 by no means at all. But this is someone in 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.880 an in an ambulance. We're being rushed in the hospital 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.240 to save my life. So whatever they need, need it 1:08:00.360 --> 1:08:03.560 for that male, that's what you have to grab in 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:05.400 order to take care of whatever he needs to take 1:08:05.440 --> 1:08:08.600 care of. And as far as documentation is concerned, I 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:11.680 think that those type of things should be corrected. If 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:15.120 you got a skeletful body from an airplane, you want 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:18.759 to know this is a male and this is a female. Again, 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:21.120 to each us own and that's their opinion and that's 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:23.639 what makes them happy. And I'm fine with all of that, 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:27.360 and I'm not against it, but in my personal opinion, 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.640 I don't agree with it, just like I always and 1:08:30.760 --> 1:08:33.439 steal in my nieces and nephew to call me awful buddy, 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:36.960 which is what they do despite how I look. So 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:39.479 that's my opinion on all of that. And this is 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:41.960 coming from my trans sister. She also did the background 1:08:42.000 --> 1:08:46.320 you know, she did, and and and and here we 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:50.000 clearly fontage advantage is plo trans sist. She's pro for 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:52.760 the girls. If you follow her page fontage you lettle more, 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:55.680 you'll see she always speaks very highly of our trans 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:59.200 sisters and brothers. This is not a tear down. I'm 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:01.840 telling you. We are so ignorant to the fact that 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:04.679 it's not confusing to me. But I want to learn 1:09:04.680 --> 1:09:06.760 more about it. So we're having a conversation so that 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:10.040 we can all learn more about it. Because so somebody 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:12.479 on here who's on the outside looking in, will know. 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:15.880 Oh now, I understand if ever this scenario, you know, 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:19.120 shows up in your life. That's all I'm saying, right, yeah, 1:09:19.160 --> 1:09:22.120 And I can understand where people on the outside looking in, 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:24.639 where it can be confusing because me as a trans 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:27.000 woman of color, it's a little confusing to me when 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:30.160 I heard the story. But I still, like I said earlier, 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:32.240 I agree with how they want to feel about it. 1:09:32.520 --> 1:09:35.240 At the end of the day, documentation, in my personal opinion, 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:38.360 I feel should be corrected to the actual born gender. 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:42.080 M m. Well, and that's an interesting piece too, I 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:45.080 will say that as well, because Baby's Aim was born, 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.760 that's the name of their child, and they actually are 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:50.519 identifying the baby as a her. And that was part 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:52.720 of the conversation that they had that why did you 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:55.800 choose to give the baby, you know, a gender identity 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:59.400 considering what your experience was, And they basically said, well, 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:01.599 that was what she was born as, so we're going 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:03.439 to call her she for now. But if later on 1:10:03.479 --> 1:10:05.800 in life she makes a decision that she wants to 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:09.519 be trans or whatever, you know, she may identify as that, 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:11.280 they were going to honor that. But I thought that 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:14.160 was interesting too, is that despite their experience, they decided 1:10:14.200 --> 1:10:17.080 to give the baby, you know, gender assignment at birth. 1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:21.000 She was one with a vagina, yes, so the baby 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:24.799 is a girl. She's definitely a little girl. Yeah, definitely. 1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:27.559 Let me tell you something. I didn't pass by algy 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:30.240 with nothing but to see. But I know that flats 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:35.160 don't look like sticks. Now, I know that flats don't 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:41.799 look like sticks. Period. We love your you gotta finish 1:10:41.800 --> 1:10:47.479 your girl back. See, And this is what I'm talking about. 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:50.280 This is we are we are trans people, which to 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:52.679 tell you that so and we are you know, trans 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:57.120 we're trying to I love what you're saying. I never 1:10:57.120 --> 1:10:58.920 thought about that. I thought that was great to say 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:02.800 that if it was said as transparent, trans father trans 1:11:04.160 --> 1:11:06.599 at least it will be kind of self explanatory if 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:10.720 something ever happened like mathemetically or physical. You know. Yeah, 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:15.120 that was that was pretty good. Uh. You know, only 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:18.960 one thing I want to come in on the Michelle said, Flame, Uh, 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:21.760 you gotta remember this because she was talking about how 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:25.599 there really wasn't the whole trans thing until the seventies eighties. Flame. 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:27.760 You'll remember miss uh I forget her name. I want 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:31.000 to say Tula was that her name? Flame? Remember? She 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:34.479 was gorgeous. And this is Phil Donnau flaming our old 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:36.840 heads when it comes to like the talk shows, and 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:42.240 we both one of the reasons Flaming I connected the 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:44.599 media is because we both loved Phil Dontague and we 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:46.200 we That's just one of the many things we had 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:48.640 in common. And I will never forget Phil Donna. You 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.280 had a woman on the show named Flaming You gotta 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:52.920 help Me and see the Tool or Tulula or something 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:56.880 like it, and she was a James Bond girl. She 1:11:57.040 --> 1:12:00.759 was she was. It was so yeah. They the sisters 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:03.439 have been out there for a while and we and 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:05.240 we had a we had a model that was for 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:09.719 Everny magazine or Vogue, a black woman, Tracy, Tracy somebody another. 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:12.680 She was the first black trends and somebody out at 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.519 her see because you could live there. So the titles 1:12:15.560 --> 1:12:18.040 and labels all and that you're all, but don't here, 1:12:18.080 --> 1:12:21.200 it's not new. You're making up new names. But the 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:24.280 situations have been the same for hundreds of years, and 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:27.200 just giving it new labels and new titles. Then y'all 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:29.479 hear my song, ain't no labels to this, hec we 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:33.639 ain't no labels. Take removed the labels and understand that 1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:35.920 you live in the country and we live in the world. 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:37.880 For the most part. If you live in the free 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:40.360 parts of the world that you can as long as 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:43.280 you have the Tennessee and the due diligen and do 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.639 due diligence and the wherewithal you can live whatever life 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:50.680 you choose or identify as respectfully. But you don't have 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:53.840 to walk around and broadcasting because I don't think that 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:56.519 you can have it both ways. Imagine Miles, who is 1:12:56.600 --> 1:13:00.200 exceptionally convincing. We're using him walking around telling everybody I'm 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:02.280 a woman. I'm a woman. I'm a woman who would 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:05.200 understand that, so I get the identity thing, but that 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:08.520 I'm just on the page of the birth CERTivity because 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:13.280 it's going to read male. And later in life it's 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:15.639 somebody who is ignorant to the fact that there's something 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:17.840 happens to the baby. And my own shows up and 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:20.280 saying I'm the baby's father and woo woo. And then 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:22.519 we need some blood because your blood would show that 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:24.960 you're male or female because the blood don't change. You 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.920 can change all the exterior, but the blood don't change. Well, 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:31.639 we need blood from the kid's mom. Well, I am 1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:33.160 the kid, do you know? Do you come out and 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.519 say I'm the kid's mom. After walking around the whole time, 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:38.599 saying I'm the kid's father. That that's the scenario I'm 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:41.479 talking about. That's all I do want to interject really quickly, 1:13:41.520 --> 1:13:44.680 since we're having this topic around, you know, trans of 1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:47.320 the trans community and its Black History Month, we would 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:49.879 be remissed if we didn't acknowledge Miss Marsha P. Johnson, 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:55.559 who started this movement, the trans movement. So I think 1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:57.439 we would be remissed if we didn't acknowledge her and 1:13:57.479 --> 1:13:59.479 thank her for all of her accomplishments of what she did. 1:13:59.720 --> 1:14:06.960 Very one of the first very she's like, Marcia is 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:10.639 like the personification of New York to our New York 1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:15.400 brothers and sisters are there, They're they're very uh, yes, 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:19.240 they're they're active. Yes, it was very nice of you 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:23.120 to say they're active. This was this was what late sixties, 1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:26.840 early seventies, and Mansha P. Johnson was not the most 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:29.680 convincing train. She looked not at all. When I my 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:31.320 joke when I said she looked like Herbert with a 1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:33.360 wig on, Marsha P. Johnson made she rest in peace 1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:36.599 for all that she did. She did look like she 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:40.439 was Malcolm, but she stood in her conviction and believed 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:43.120 who she was On everything, And this is a lot 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:45.240 of what it is. You got to believe and know 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.280 who you are, what is looking back at you in 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:48.840 the mirror when you look back at the mirror. We 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:50.519 say this all the time. You have to come to 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:55.720 love long. Come on, I told you she's the fruit 1:14:55.760 --> 1:15:00.840 flash he actually remember the training I growing around, growing 1:15:00.920 --> 1:15:02.680 up around gay people all my life. And you know, 1:15:02.960 --> 1:15:04.519 like I said, everybody should have a gay best friends. 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:06.360 You're just your life's not complete unless you have one. 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:14.280 So no, no, but but but if flame is gonna 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:16.320 be the way you got the best friend, a mother, 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:20.120 a bodyguard all of the time into one. So you know, 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:22.960 because flameball throwing with hand jewelry, just let me know, 1:15:23.120 --> 1:15:28.719 so you know, yes, we supported supported in the garage 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:32.400 right there, just in case Lorna Kim'll get out of hand. Look, uh, Nickolas, 1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:36.639 amazon this page before you threatening. She stole your tab, 1:15:36.720 --> 1:15:40.920 the will on your table. You don't even know it's gone, look, Nicholas. 1:15:40.960 --> 1:15:43.120 So so let me tell y'all God on the truth. 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:46.080 So when Nick and I first discussed this topic, Nick 1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:49.519 thought that I was on a campaign to bade or 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:53.559 not be nice. So Nick and I actually had not words, 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:57.000 but I disagreement, I'm and I'm telling the truth nickcause 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:59.240 because this is our page, it's what we do. Because 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:01.000 Nick was like, well, I don't want you to attack 1:16:01.000 --> 1:16:03.479 because I was never on the attack. And so yesterday 1:16:03.560 --> 1:16:06.040 Nick and I talked about it and I told Nick 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:09.840 that I see it, and because I watched what you 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:12.719 sent me and I see it. But I'm when Lauren 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:15.960 brought up the point about the trans father or trans mother, Nick, 1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:18.519 we keep fighting for rights. Don't you think that that 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:20.680 will be fair? Because like we were talking about, when 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:22.960 they want to have all the wrestling stuff and all 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:25.160 the sports where they put the trans women against the 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:28.760 regular women, to transmit against them straighting we should create that. 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:33.160 So should they start birth certificates that say Transmian and 1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:37.160 transmil Transmaril and tell them about our disagreement Nicholas about 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:45.600 the whole subject. Please, we Flame and I disagree on 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:47.640 a lot of stuff, but we're always talking through what 1:16:47.800 --> 1:16:51.040 Flame always does with me, and I think that's one 1:16:51.080 --> 1:16:52.479 of the reasons why we're as close as we are. 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.479 Flame will always we can always talk it out. Like 1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:57.679 I've never been in the space where I felt judged 1:16:57.720 --> 1:16:59.960 by Flame is gonna say with Flame got to say, 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:01.920 and I think Flame in a lot of ways, it's 1:17:02.000 --> 1:17:05.160 like my mother. Uh they my mother and Flame, they 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:07.559 walk in they after they get through boxing your head 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.479 against while they're like you, okay, baby, I didn't mean 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:15.960 it hurt you, like you're hungry, You're like what you 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:18.760 uh so, so that's what it was. But yeah, we 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:21.639 had disagreed because I immediately I think I'll walk into 1:17:21.680 --> 1:17:23.800 things with with the guard up an emotional You can't 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:25.560 do that, blah blah blah blah blah. And Flame was like, 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:28.080 that's not what I'm doing. Calm down, bring it down. 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:31.880 Let me tell you, as a parent who lives this 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:34.000 life and walks in this body, let me tell you 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:36.840 about my experience, and this is what I fear. And 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:39.080 so Flame we talked about it through the weekend and 1:17:39.160 --> 1:17:41.320 then yesterday we literally was like we had to come 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:44.479 to Jesus moments, you know. And uh and and one 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.200 of the things I think that it is most important 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:48.640 about this Flame, and this is why I continue to 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:51.320 be excited about laugh and learn, is that when you, 1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:54.200 Lauren and I have our conversations about what we're gonna 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:56.640 talk about, we always make it so that we can 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:59.320 include the play mats, because we really do have some 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:06.040 of the most informed, engaged, intelligent people. Debbie's comments, Barbara's 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:09.599 comment earlier in Boston. Everybody brought something to the table, 1:18:09.720 --> 1:18:12.320 and we all have questions. I don't think it's wrong 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.080 to sit there and saying, you know, the world is changing, 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:17.760 so we've got to find a way for everyone to 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:21.200 have access to the same rights and and and same 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:24.920 opportunity systems. And so I think that we're all still 1:18:24.920 --> 1:18:27.040 trying to figure out what that means. I don't know 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:29.280 that I'm at a space where you know, we we 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:31.040 you touched on it. I don't know that I'm at 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:34.360 a space where I feel like trans athletes should compete 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:38.800 with UM athletes born of a different gender. I don't 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.920 know that. But again, fortunately I'm not in a position 1:18:41.960 --> 1:18:44.479 where I have to make that decision. But I think 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:47.439 it's something that is worthy of a closer examination. As 1:18:47.479 --> 1:18:49.479 far as the birth certificate, and I will just close 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:52.120 on this, I think my issue with the birth certificate 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:55.759 was this. I think that the birth certificate, in my opinion, 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:59.559 is less about the parent and more about the child, 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:02.320 and I felt as though that child should be in 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:07.200 a situation where that child isn't necessarily outed as having 1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:10.080 a parent who is trans to those who may not 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:12.880 need to need to know that information. I would want 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:16.280 that birth certificate to simply say mom dad And if 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:19.720 that's how my mom dad presented when they came to 1:19:19.800 --> 1:19:22.000 pick me up from the school or took me for 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:25.120 my exam, that's what I would rather instead of having 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:28.040 a situation where now I've turned in my birth certificate 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:31.880 for to play football or wrestle like I did, and now, well, 1:19:31.920 --> 1:19:34.479 way meant, why does it say trans what kind of 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:37.519 parents you got? Kids are? When I was growing up, 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:43.080 kids were, they ain't changed, they still meaning ship. So 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:46.120 I just I feel like I feel like that anonymity 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:49.120 should be affording to the child at all costs until 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:52.639 that child is old enough. Like flames, kids who sit 1:19:52.680 --> 1:19:54.439 there and say, oh, I know you ain't got nothing here, 1:19:54.439 --> 1:19:58.599 but hold up what you know, because that that's her. 1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:00.920 You know, you know what I'm saying. Everyone is not 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:03.840 going to be as comfortable I feel as as Flame is, 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:05.720 and and that that's that's just where I am with that. 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:08.400 You know, well, I'll say this in a lot of ways, 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:11.160 I've always said this Flame is an anomaly in the transport. 1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:14.920 That's how I so. But I think that's also to 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:18.120 why this discussion was so warranted, because I was curious 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:20.640 to see if the Flame's opinion was going to be 1:20:20.760 --> 1:20:23.439 different from other people. And I also to just want 1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:25.720 to reiterate because Nick, I don't know if you were 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:27.840 able to see this part, but Precious and I actually 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:30.200 had a dialogue, We had an exchange. I reached out 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:32.040 to her to see if she and Miles wanted to 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:34.840 come on the show. Schedules didn't line up, but she 1:20:34.960 --> 1:20:37.800 still wants to come on the show and share their story, 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:40.759 which I think could be a great conversation in general, 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:44.519 especially with the two different experiences and perspectives from Flame 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:48.040 and them as well. Again, because you said it, but 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:50.680 I want to make sure we reiterate we love and 1:20:50.760 --> 1:20:56.519 celebrate what this What this den anybody's experience? I think 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:58.960 that they have some. They have beautiful black love. I 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:02.040 even saw pressure this um episode on Say Yes to 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:05.040 the Dress when she was getting married to Miles, So 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:08.200 I think we're not denying anybody's experience or saying anything 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:11.240 negative about it. It's just an exchange of information because 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:13.920 we need to learn more and we need to have 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:16.680 these open forms and conversations so that it brings down 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:19.080 the wall of stigma so people have better understanding and 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.000 less ignorance in their life. That's what I said it 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:23.240 before and I'll say this again. And I know we 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:25.800 got to wrap up, but I just witched more people 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:29.600 knew the amazing father you are. And that because I 1:21:29.680 --> 1:21:35.320 grew up, I grew up in the house of many, 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:38.120 I never I never questioned my mother's love. I never 1:21:38.240 --> 1:21:40.920 questioned that I was supported. I was encouraged to do everything. 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:43.320 I've watched you when they switched from ballet, Oh she 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:45.400 want she's still doing ballet and she's done with that. 1:21:45.680 --> 1:21:47.720 Well doing that now, she's done with that too. And 1:21:47.960 --> 1:21:52.280 I remember going through clarinet, no clarinet, wrestling, football, that 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:56.200 just having a parent always in your corner, I'm telling you, 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.760 and that is what is most important. And because those 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:02.920 for those two people, that couple is trans they're gonna 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.160 have a lot of experiences that they grew up being 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:08.160 turning identifying with who they are. So they're gonna teach 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:10.960 this kid a lot of lawyer love. They're gonna show 1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:13.120 this kid a lot of people are different. But you 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:15.439 still love people from whom they are, So that's gonna 1:22:15.479 --> 1:22:17.639 be the beautiful part of it. Was never a dispute, 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.280 But this conversation will help somebody, because somebody who's watching 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:24.799 this show today will go and tell their police officer husband, 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:28.080 or or their judge wife, or their son who's on 1:22:28.120 --> 1:22:31.799 the basketball team who's harassing somebody else that people are different, 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:35.280 and they will help them to understand that just because 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:38.200 we're having a conversation about it, so we won't walk 1:22:38.240 --> 1:22:42.320 into another pregnant man and nobody believes it because you'll 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.320 be like, oh my mom told me. They was watching, 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:48.439 uh laugh and learn, and they explained that they really 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:51.439 can happen, because it really can happen. Now, Michelle, that 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:54.080 ship you said about women can have babies, I understand. 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:56.040 I'm trying to get my back. I haven't got that. 1:22:56.760 --> 1:22:59.120 I ain't doing nothing, had no baby. I'm doing the 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:03.599 front part of the backpot. We're gonna be that. Oh 1:23:03.720 --> 1:23:06.120 my god. And may I just say too, because people 1:23:06.160 --> 1:23:09.439 were in here last week when you were fantastic. I 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:15.479 really should check that out and then go to just 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:17.880 type in my name because they made videos about me, 1:23:18.040 --> 1:23:21.280 tear me apart. It's hilarious. Listen, it's people doing some 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:24.760 cloud chasing crap and it just it screams desperation. But 1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:27.360 it's a good key if you want to go laugh. Lauren, 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:30.120 I'm with you. I said to play, who has the time? 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:32.639 We have to schedule time just to do this? Who 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:34.479 has the time to do a show based on what 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:37.000 somebody else is doing and then talk about it in pull? 1:23:37.479 --> 1:23:40.400 I'm like, who are you? That's a lot of effort. 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:43.800 Sounded like he was having an asthma attacked the whole time. 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:46.760 I was more so concerned about health. I'm just saying, 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:52.400 you heard me? What? Oh? That was funny looking I wanted. 1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:54.760 I like to see him. You weren't last time you 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:57.120 had some without thirty dollars. And in fact, when you're 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:59.280 gonna drop them two kids, you care? Now you're gonna 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:02.439 pregnant me in the one that made the video about me. Yeah, 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:05.320 he's a biological man, but that nigga damn shook preign 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:08.000 what I said, I gotta see it. I don't want 1:24:08.040 --> 1:24:10.240 you to build up his subscribers, so don't go watch it. 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:14.880 We're not gonna say the person Tonight Love Tonight between 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:16.640 six thirty and seven I want you guys to join 1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:20.719 me and next Sunday, We're doing laughing next Sunday because 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.679 the schedule changing. Guests who are gonna be in studio 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:27.479 next Sunday, y'all tell him Nick Smith News will be 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:30.920 in the studio next Sunday. Nick will be sitting back here. 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:41.800 Keep a secret about that contract Friday anyway, So Nick 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:43.920 will be here and our very special guest who has 1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:46.080 a new show coming on because this this is my 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:49.240 you know, I'm this is my sister. We are in 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:51.920 this together and I'm so proud of TuS Madison. She 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:54.880 will be joining us next Sunday for a very special 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:56.920 laugh and learned she has a new show coming out 1:24:56.960 --> 1:24:59.919 on the we TV network called The TuS Madison Experience. 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.280 It airs March fourth at seven pm Pacific setord time, 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:06.519 ten pm East Coast time, and we want you guys 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:08.439 to watch it. Me and Maddie and Lauren and Nick 1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:10.800 gonna go forward. I don't even know if they're gonna 1:25:10.840 --> 1:25:13.000 get it worthy in because too loud as trandys talk 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.240 y'all might not get a chance to say ship. So 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:17.800 please be here for the conversation. It's going to be great. 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:19.720 I'm sure that the Maddie mar will be here in 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:22.000 the flame mats and we're gonna What you do in 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:25.800 this business is you share your fans. You share your 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:28.760 people because other people reach out to other people and 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:31.840 then other people and a closed fist does work. Lauren, 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:41.960 nothing go out that she'll getting on Amens, it goes out. You. 1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:44.120 You got to share your fans, You got to share 1:25:44.200 --> 1:25:47.320 your life because there is no one number one person. 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:50.680 There is five million number one persons if you see that. 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:53.880 Plus we do different things and we' still girlfriends. So 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:55.840 y'all be here with us next week, cause big Maddie 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:57.760 coming on giving it to y'all, were gonna give it 1:25:57.800 --> 1:25:59.000 to you in the row. I'm gonna say we can 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:02.040 show the most titties on Maddie and Nick. What should 1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:03.960 we just say? And what is the purpose of laugh? 1:26:04.040 --> 1:26:06.880 And learn? Always? Always always. We are not trying to 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:09.760 get anybody to change their minds. We're just trying to 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:12.000 get you guys to use your mind. But you gotta 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:13.960 have one every where to do it because somebody'all ain't 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:15.640 got When y'all down the vote for Ted Cruise all 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:19.599 that dumb ship who any who you can follow Nick 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:22.960 Smith at Nick Smith News on YouTube or on Instagram. 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:26.120 Those are hit on on on Twitter one word Nick 1:26:26.200 --> 1:26:28.839 Smith News. Some of y'all slow? How you smell Smith? 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:31.280 How do you spell with an eye not with a y? 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:34.679 With any Nick Smith News, you can follow Lauren Hogan 1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:38.720 at Lauren Hogan on YouTube, Lauren Armandi h on Instagram 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:46.840 and or Facebook. See I'm I'm professor today role at 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:51.679 Marcus Flaming Rod Parker on Facebook, Monroe Flame on Instagram, 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:53.120 which is but y'all want to catch me? I love 1:26:53.200 --> 1:26:55.800 now snight because we're gonna be on fire. Uh well, 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:59.400 I got Twitter Flame underscore my role and YouTube flame 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:02.200 my role. We appreciate you guys, listen, laugh and learn. 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:04.040 Would not be a shore without the flame mans, the 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:06.920 fire crackers, the vowel chads, the value. We got plenty names. 1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:15.000 Holy y'all, oh YaST appreciate you and please follow Miles Davis, Yes, 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:19.320 h Miles Brodie, Miles Brady Davis excuse me, as well 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:22.439 as precious Brady Davis on Instagram. We actually ended up 1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:24.640 following each other and then this topic came up, so 1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:27.719 fow them if you have questions that we can't answer, 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:32.439 asked him respectfully. 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