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Speaker 1: I feel she was touching me, So we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a great show today. We got some major topics we're
Speaker 1: gonna bring in our party because you know, some things
Speaker 1: happen this week in the news. Some names we will
Speaker 1: mention and some names we won't exactly. Um, So this
Speaker 1: is Black History Month, which is almost over with the
Speaker 1: twenty second day of February, and uh, I want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge two black historians. One would be um Mr Copeland,
Speaker 1: so Lauren can talk more about about Mr Copeland. And
Speaker 1: I want to say the other one before I forget,
Speaker 1: because you know I forget, it's Harriet Tubman. So we'll
Speaker 1: start with Mr. Copeland. Because Lauren is a technically trained dancer.
Speaker 1: She's a donout, which is a Davie Allen Dance Academy.
Speaker 1: She is a donout for years. So Laura really can dance, y'all.
Speaker 1: Laura can can kick to this top of this garage.
Speaker 1: Let me just let y'all know I can't. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a huge milestone. And the first black ballerina, let's say,
Speaker 1: in a major company in the US, was actually Lauren
Speaker 1: Anderson and she danced for Houston Ballet Um. But Misty Copeland,
Speaker 1: it was a huge milestone for her in that American
Speaker 1: Ballet theater um has been around for you know years. Uh,
Speaker 1: the exact number, I'm not sure, but she was the
Speaker 1: first black ballerina to ever be the principal dancer for
Speaker 1: the company. UM. And it's it's a huge milestone to
Speaker 1: have you know, Um, black ballerinas in general. UM it's hard,
Speaker 1: you know, because to be a ballerina you have to
Speaker 1: have a certain shape, a certain build. UM. In Russia,
Speaker 1: for instance, you know, when you're like nine years old,
Speaker 1: they literally assessed you to see if you have the
Speaker 1: body to be a ballerina. UM. So black women in
Speaker 1: general were everything from A to z uh. So, to
Speaker 1: finally have someone who doesn't fit the you know, the
Speaker 1: stereotypic mold. She's very muscular. You know, she's got boobs. Um.
Speaker 1: It was just an exciting sight to see. And she's
Speaker 1: done so much to really engage young black women to
Speaker 1: say and you know little girls too, to say you
Speaker 1: can do this as well. You know, she's transcendent and
Speaker 1: broken barriers. You know, she's been the face for Armor, uh,
Speaker 1: the fitness brand. UM. She's written children's books. UM, she's
Speaker 1: performed at the Grammys. She was Prince's muse. She just
Speaker 1: encompasses so many different things. So the simple fact you
Speaker 1: know that she finally got that recognition to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm the first black ballerina for the American Ballet Theater,
Speaker 1: which has been typically I'm gonna be honest as a
Speaker 1: racist company. It was huge, It really was. So congratulations
Speaker 1: and hats off to Misty Copeland. I think Lauren I
Speaker 1: first became aware of her after watching So You Think
Speaker 1: you Can Dance? You know, for those of us who
Speaker 1: don't know the history of dance, I think more often
Speaker 1: than not, that's one of the areas where we're made
Speaker 1: familiar with some of the people who dance because you
Speaker 1: are a fan of that show too. You love the host,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Nicola, but it sounds so it's sound
Speaker 1: because my mother loves So you Think you can? Uh,
Speaker 1: So you think you dance? And what's a dance with
Speaker 1: the Stars? And I'm like, mom, nobody watches. Actually I
Speaker 1: love my Dace with the Stars. You're gonna leave. My
Speaker 1: dadkces with stars. Alonge and some of them have gone
Speaker 1: on or either started with so she knew some of them.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, so and so and so you're thinking
Speaker 1: of dance. Now they're dancing with the star star. I
Speaker 1: love dancing with the stars. To dance with this, I
Speaker 1: love y'all. Look, I love y'all. Um, Nick, Mr Copeland
Speaker 1: to me, because what's Lauren what you said about boots
Speaker 1: Because I know they want a ballerina, principal ballerina to
Speaker 1: be pretty much like a twelve year boy, like a
Speaker 1: stick figure, like straight up and down. No seriously, no,
Speaker 1: no booty, no enhancement, because what you are is the
Speaker 1: representation of whatever that dances. So you really are invisible
Speaker 1: as the character. You're just presenting the character. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see you as that person, so you could
Speaker 1: be dropped the gorgeous beautiful. It's not like people not
Speaker 1: going to see that. Whether you're you know, playing Black
Speaker 1: Swan or the Swan from Swan Lake. Um, you know
Speaker 1: it's gizelle. Whatever that character is, you definitely have to
Speaker 1: emulate it. I would have been all this booty and
Speaker 1: these t nobody would have been out to the Black Swan,
Speaker 1: the Black Crush, because I'm would have failed straight down
Speaker 1: on me. I mean, honestly, that's probably the reason why
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily want to become a ballerina, because one,
Speaker 1: I was always worrying about my weight and just personally,
Speaker 1: my weight goes up and down, you know, we joked
Speaker 1: about it on the show. But also too, I didn't
Speaker 1: like taking class, which is so important. It's a part
Speaker 1: of your foundation. You know. If you don't go to class,
Speaker 1: you can't perform. And I just wanted to be in
Speaker 1: rehearsal and I wanted to be on stage, and that
Speaker 1: just this mold. I also didn't want to lose paycheck
Speaker 1: to paycheck either, and I wanted some more instability in
Speaker 1: my life. But it's all of those things. It's a
Speaker 1: lot to be a dancer. I have to you know,
Speaker 1: upkeepe your body and the injury ease, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot, it really is so and that was my
Speaker 1: whole life from five until that's just years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I respect the art of dance. I respect the discipline
Speaker 1: that comes with dance. And I only know this from
Speaker 1: doing the campaign with you guys last year. But I
Speaker 1: saw those kids diligently rehearse and rehearse and reheard, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done. Let me tell you why
Speaker 1: those kids love me so much. Because I was the
Speaker 1: star of the show, and I said, I made ten
Speaker 1: minutes for the bathroom. Guess what, everybody got to get
Speaker 1: a break because I got ten minutes for the bear.
Speaker 1: They fucking loved me flame. You also mentioned Harriet Tubman.
Speaker 1: What what may? What what may? Harry tell me come
Speaker 1: to mind today? There's your story of determination black woman
Speaker 1: saving the get saving the day way back in the
Speaker 1: eighteen sixties before recognition. Why they tell me they don't
Speaker 1: want to put her on the twenty dollar bill a
Speaker 1: black woman saved day? I just personally, my joke is
Speaker 1: I think that Harriet Tubman was the first trans man
Speaker 1: because he was looking for a black woman. I think
Speaker 1: Area was quite masculine looking because she got away over
Speaker 1: and over and over, hadsong until you hear it. Because
Speaker 1: I really came back and got nobody ain't coming back
Speaker 1: to getting newbody. I'm not the last. And me let
Speaker 1: me tell you, I don't like to be I never
Speaker 1: like to be spanked. I never like to be hit.
Speaker 1: I never like nobody put their hands on me. I
Speaker 1: know I would have been a horriblest like god. I
Speaker 1: would have told on everybody, And honestly, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I mean it's an interesting to watch, but you
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna be able to survive that too,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what that mental capacity took. You
Speaker 1: know that due diligence, that strivee. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that was like back then. So LA determin nick exactly
Speaker 1: and no, determine that works, because that's what this is.
Speaker 1: I think this is all why we recognize the platform
Speaker 1: we have. We stand on the shoulders of giants, we
Speaker 1: really do. And it's one of those moments where, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a month to celebrate, but every day is
Speaker 1: worthy of recognizing the accomplishments of our ancestors because our
Speaker 1: assessors endure things that we sit here and say, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I could have taken it. You think
Speaker 1: they wanted to take it. They did what they needed
Speaker 1: to do in that moment to survive and be with
Speaker 1: them families and lean on faith. So yes, absolutely, my
Speaker 1: shoutout kind of ties into that flame. I want to
Speaker 1: recognize this for Black history as well, because you all
Speaker 1: know earlier this week I was trapped out of town,
Speaker 1: couldn't travel. I woke up to my hotel middle of
Speaker 1: the night. Literally I felt like the spirit called me,
Speaker 1: turned on TV and a program was on called The
Speaker 1: Black Church, This is our History on PBS. Don't know.
Speaker 1: They hadn't heard anything about it, and all it did
Speaker 1: was just talking about the history of the Black Church
Speaker 1: and what it means for the community. You guys, they
Speaker 1: want everything over, everything from the Hawkins family to um
Speaker 1: pastor Eddie Hawkins, you know, flame you and I've talked
Speaker 1: about Tremaine Hawkins and Sylvester and the tie to the
Speaker 1: church and how all of it is just tied together
Speaker 1: into our history. So my shout out is for everybody
Speaker 1: to try to catch that as they can. And I
Speaker 1: believe it's narrated by uh Skip Gates, so it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's fantastic on PBS, The Black the Black Church. You know,
Speaker 1: all you Bible total thumpers don't here, all you Christians
Speaker 1: don't here, and all you all you what they call
Speaker 1: it Bible bell folks on here right now. When y'all
Speaker 1: say gays don't go to church. If they don't, it
Speaker 1: ain't no quiet, I promise you. It's always a city
Speaker 1: in church, and it's always the city acquired usually acquired director.
Speaker 1: Let me just say, allowed, lord, what's this black history?
Speaker 1: Blacker historian represents for you this week. I mean Mr Copeland,
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of took the debate for me, um,
Speaker 1: because I know we kind of talked about that. Well,
Speaker 1: what about Judith Jamison. You know what, it's so interesting
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Judith Jamison. Judith Jamison was one of
Speaker 1: the baddest dancers. I have to say, black, tall, tall,
Speaker 1: drink water at Alvin Ailey. Um. You know Miss Allen,
Speaker 1: you know she's my mentor. We talked about her, Debbie Allen.
Speaker 1: She always compared me to her because I would be
Speaker 1: in class and I was always tall. I was always tall.
Speaker 1: I have really long legs, and I was really insecure
Speaker 1: about my height when I was younger, to the point
Speaker 1: that I would kind of like close myself off when
Speaker 1: I was dancing so that way I could kind of
Speaker 1: blend in more. And I always had to do more,
Speaker 1: like I had to be a step ahead of everybody
Speaker 1: because I had more to move always. So Miss Alan
Speaker 1: used to always be like Miss thaying, think of Judith
Speaker 1: Jamerson and kick them legs up. If you kick somebody,
Speaker 1: so what kick him? No, move out the way. You
Speaker 1: have to be long, you have to be tall. She
Speaker 1: was like, do you know how many times I danced
Speaker 1: next to Judie Jamerson and I just wanted to have
Speaker 1: her height and her leg and her reach. So that
Speaker 1: was always an example that she gave to me. So
Speaker 1: that's probably is why I love her so dearly. She
Speaker 1: really encourages you to be your best self. So it's
Speaker 1: so interesting you brought up Juice Chambers. I want the
Speaker 1: water and everything. Let me tell what I loved about
Speaker 1: Judith Damson. She was a grand evil like like she
Speaker 1: walked in like very secily Tyson, rest in pieces. I
Speaker 1: always seem her presence was always I'm watched me very
Speaker 1: very what's the black um Jesse Norman? Like I'm in
Speaker 1: the room, nothing else is in here. This goes back
Speaker 1: to something else you always talk about too. I think
Speaker 1: it's that confidence, right that if you can instill that
Speaker 1: confidence in a person and person who walks into a
Speaker 1: room like you can't tell me anything, and it's not arrogance.
Speaker 1: It's a confidence where they they are comfortable in their spirit,
Speaker 1: they're comfortable in their body, and and and it just
Speaker 1: moves into shows absolutely two more things I want to
Speaker 1: make sure we touch on before we go to our
Speaker 1: topics today. I want to talk about no please, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about I also want to recognize for
Speaker 1: Black History quickly, Regina King. We touched on this before,
Speaker 1: but Regina King just made history Golden Gloves making history
Speaker 1: nominating three female directors, and Regina King for being nominated
Speaker 1: for One Night in Miami. So I still haven't a
Speaker 1: chance to check that out. But I want to give
Speaker 1: Regina a shout out to because I know we all
Speaker 1: love her as well, and she holds this Saturday Night Live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's Yeah, congrats to her, and I think her
Speaker 1: directing career is really kicking off. So I'm really excited
Speaker 1: for her. I'm proud of girl. Who would have thought.
Speaker 1: It just goes to show you that if you stay
Speaker 1: in it and you stay focused and you've got people
Speaker 1: around you to keep you lifted up. Look how she
Speaker 1: has come from playing Little Brenda onto seven. Wow. I
Speaker 1: just want the catlet commercial? Should I want to? I
Speaker 1: just want the commercial. You know, we talked about it earlier,
Speaker 1: We kind of alluded to it. We've had a couple
Speaker 1: of celebrity losses this uh in the last week, and
Speaker 1: I want to recognize two of them, Uh, Larry Flint,
Speaker 1: and I say that simply we know him as Hustler magazine.
Speaker 1: But Larry Flint really was a leader in free speech
Speaker 1: in so many ways because he challenged and took his
Speaker 1: case to the Supreme Court. And someone I was not
Speaker 1: familiar with, ladies, um, Johnny Pacheco. And the reason this
Speaker 1: stuck with me Johnny Pacheco, who was a Dominican musician.
Speaker 1: I know we have a huge his in the community
Speaker 1: and and so many people are Latino who follow us
Speaker 1: and are from the Islands, but I guess Johnny Pacheco
Speaker 1: was a Dominican musician considered to be the godfather of Susa,
Speaker 1: and this is what got me. He's famous for popularizing
Speaker 1: Latin music and made a star of Celia Cruise. My
Speaker 1: Celia Cruise story. I remember because you know, um, I
Speaker 1: remember seeing this beautiful black woman who was, you know,
Speaker 1: full figured in everything there and I remember saying to
Speaker 1: my mom it blew my mind because she didn't speak English,
Speaker 1: she spoke Spanish, like, Mom, how can a black woman
Speaker 1: do that? And my mom was like, because baby, she's
Speaker 1: from the Islands. Yeah, she she's not black. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: but as a kid, you don't know. And so all
Speaker 1: that to say it was just one of those things
Speaker 1: that just a beautiful woman who you know, was I
Speaker 1: believe helping you guys. I think Celia Cruise was Cuban
Speaker 1: uh one one okay, but just just amazing. So yes,
Speaker 1: that that was the shout out I wanted to give
Speaker 1: to Mr Poteco. And I think that's interesting too because,
Speaker 1: like my I grew up in New York, so she's
Speaker 1: always been aware of the melting pots of you know,
Speaker 1: the black community, whether you know or after Latina or
Speaker 1: whatever you are, so um, she's always kind of had
Speaker 1: the eye to be able to identify who's who. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think that's also important to talk about two
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't understand that, you know,
Speaker 1: black comes in like fifty million different shades. It's not
Speaker 1: just one shade, you know what I mean. And we
Speaker 1: all have different backgrounds, we all have different you know,
Speaker 1: genetic makeup. That that's what makes us so special and
Speaker 1: so authentic. Um kind of had that revelation. Tou Nic
Speaker 1: Flames comedy colleague Ada Driguez does a show called Truth Serum,
Speaker 1: and she literally just did a whole just did a
Speaker 1: whole piece on after Latina and how she even is
Speaker 1: aware of her privilege being lighter, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we come in every shade. She has members of her
Speaker 1: family who she says are darker than me. So that's
Speaker 1: just another example of how how many different shades we
Speaker 1: come as people of color. So yep. Ms Cruz was
Speaker 1: one of the first women to make the shoes that
Speaker 1: look like the heels that look like it didn't have
Speaker 1: hell it cut away, ay and b. I used to
Speaker 1: do drag shows and when the Latin girls would do
Speaker 1: but the whole Bible would erupt, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: all the Latino people in the place would go berserk.
Speaker 1: I thought it was right. I almost got my shirt
Speaker 1: and ran out one day, and so it ductor baby,
Speaker 1: all the Latino people go crazy. You know who else?
Speaker 1: They do that for Selena, Oh Selena. It's like her
Speaker 1: fans are like to be had. Say something wrong about Selena,
Speaker 1: the Lattin people will cook you in the pot. I
Speaker 1: say that down, I've had something. It was tasty tween
Speaker 1: Selina's voice in that body, she was, you know, just phenomenal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so rest in peace Mr Larry Flynn and
Speaker 1: Mr Johnny Pacheco. But not everyone is, you know, worthy
Speaker 1: of us are talking about. So yes, yeah, we got
Speaker 1: some other people this week. I'm not gonna say no
Speaker 1: names because their names need not be mentioned on this platform.
Speaker 1: But in the words of the Lake poet, the great
Speaker 1: Mark Twain, and I'm gonna try to quote it perfectly
Speaker 1: and perfectly, he said that I have never wished a
Speaker 1: man did, but I read many obituaries that have given
Speaker 1: me joy. Uh indibituary and even out. But I'm smiling
Speaker 1: like a chess you cat, Oh my god, you guys
Speaker 1: before I know our flame ma's are ready to sound
Speaker 1: out because flame, you gave everybody homework. And before we
Speaker 1: get to their homework assignment, do we need to recognize
Speaker 1: how people have been sounding off on the internet about
Speaker 1: Joe Biden having lied and uh, the latest with Ted
Speaker 1: Cruz and Governor Cuomo. So let's first of all, let's
Speaker 1: start with Ted Cruise because I know people are gonna
Speaker 1: drive him in the comment because I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to also have a clear, clarifying conversation around Biden.
Speaker 1: But let's just disgust Nick, if you can just remind
Speaker 1: us all what exactly Ted Cruise did this past week
Speaker 1: that have people in an uproar well, Ted Cruise did
Speaker 1: what I get, but I'm not a representative senator for
Speaker 1: the state during the middle of a tushee Nicholas touch
Speaker 1: so so Mr Cruz chose to go where it was
Speaker 1: warmer and vacation for a bit because the conditions at
Speaker 1: home were uncomfortable. Well, guess what, Mr Cruz happens to
Speaker 1: represent a constituency in Texas who expects him to be
Speaker 1: there and hopefully fighting for them during difficult times. Mr
Speaker 1: Cruz chose to jump on a plane and go to
Speaker 1: Cancoon with his family. And not only that, After being confronted,
Speaker 1: Mr Mr Cruz blamed his daughter for the reason he
Speaker 1: was down there. Now, mind you, he his wife, his daughter.
Speaker 1: We now know they invited a couple of friends with
Speaker 1: whom he had gone to college with h so this
Speaker 1: was not a spontaneous moment like he later said. Oh,
Speaker 1: I just went down to make sure they got there safely.
Speaker 1: Mr Cruz was outed by the media for not being
Speaker 1: in town in the middle of a crisis while many
Speaker 1: Texans are still suffering. And it's difficult because Texas loves
Speaker 1: to moderate and legislate a woman's uterus, but will not
Speaker 1: legislate and moderate a solid here an electricity supply in
Speaker 1: the time of a crisis. That's something that needs to
Speaker 1: be looked at. That's it, and Ted Cruise, it's not
Speaker 1: even I kind of made a comment when I first
Speaker 1: saw everything that was happening in the media. I was like,
Speaker 1: is he really that stupid or is he really just
Speaker 1: that arrogant? And I had to take a second and
Speaker 1: realized Ted Cruise is actually really not stupid. It's no
Speaker 1: different when he made the comment, um, when Joe Biden
Speaker 1: rejoined the Paris Accord and he went and said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna take away thousands of jobs from people
Speaker 1: living in Pittsburgh, and so he Ted Cruise intentionally does
Speaker 1: things that, um, you know, it exhibits that he doesn't
Speaker 1: care about his people, he doesn't care about his community. Hell,
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about his family because he let Trump
Speaker 1: talk major crap about his wife and now he just
Speaker 1: blamed his daughter. So and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: the clue to grass he left his dog outside you
Speaker 1: know where the dogs? Oh my god. So I I
Speaker 1: really hope that this is the cool to girl for
Speaker 1: him to not be re elected, because I think he's
Speaker 1: up for re election because the yeah, so I hope
Speaker 1: in two years, Texas, you remember all that Ted Crews
Speaker 1: did and how he left y'all hanging and left his
Speaker 1: dog out in the cold and blamed his daughter for
Speaker 1: what he did, and I'll re elect him. And let's
Speaker 1: break that down. Let's break those three things down, because nigger,
Speaker 1: you left the dog. Let's start with that. You left
Speaker 1: the dog. Y'all have more connection about what was the
Speaker 1: name crazy Karen in Central Park over the dog than
Speaker 1: you did over the black man, because she's dragging the
Speaker 1: dog around, swinging them around, and like y'all more angry
Speaker 1: about that. Second of all, y'all new Ted Cruise when
Speaker 1: ship what Lauren just said, He allowed Donald Trump to
Speaker 1: disrespect his wife publicly in his face and call her ugly,
Speaker 1: and then you still jumped on his camp. Then, nigga,
Speaker 1: you turn around and sell out your kid and say
Speaker 1: you were going on the vacation because your daughter wanted
Speaker 1: to go. Understand and that the DNA of this person
Speaker 1: is not the DNA of a man. This is the
Speaker 1: DNA of a coward. Loren says, she thinks that he
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. I disagree. I knew the nigga
Speaker 1: was bat she had crazy when he stood on the
Speaker 1: Senate floor, in the Congress floor and talked for twenty
Speaker 1: four hours about green eggs and ham. First of all,
Speaker 1: I read that book when I was four. Second of all,
Speaker 1: if the eggs is green and the hand main brown, nigga,
Speaker 1: I don't want it. You give it to your mom.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, give it to your wife or your daughter.
Speaker 1: Since you blame him for everything else. You should have
Speaker 1: left it with the dog, since you left him in
Speaker 1: the gold. I'm just saying I said it, and I
Speaker 1: think the food of ross me today was um. I
Speaker 1: was watching the Senate hearing for Merrick Garland to become
Speaker 1: a g for Joe Biden, and Ted Cruz had the floor,
Speaker 1: and he had the nerve to say, you know, he
Speaker 1: basically tried to say that Eric Holder, who is Obama's
Speaker 1: former Attorney General, Um sat in when sat sat in
Speaker 1: his confirmation rather and said he would be by partisan
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't be you know, for his party or
Speaker 1: whatever the situation. Maybe so tech crewis have the nerve
Speaker 1: to sit there and basically shame Eric Holder and talk
Speaker 1: crap about Eric Holders, saying that he didn't uphold his
Speaker 1: values of the Constitution in terms of you know, not
Speaker 1: being bipartisan. You're supposed to remain a political but I'm like,
Speaker 1: did you forget what bar did? So he's very hypocritical.
Speaker 1: I'm just really over tech crews in general. I think
Speaker 1: Cress really upset a lot of people. And for the record,
Speaker 1: going on the record, Mary Garland will be confirmed, not
Speaker 1: even worried about hopefully tex Hopefully the person the people
Speaker 1: who have has been effected the most about Texas right now,
Speaker 1: I mean back cruise, which is Texas. Will get your
Speaker 1: assets up and vote because he can only vote for
Speaker 1: himself one time. Y'all keep voting him and I'm not
Speaker 1: blaming y'all, but yeahs, y'all got to get him out.
Speaker 1: If y'all y'all want to do better, y'all gotta vote
Speaker 1: and do better. Which will go on to the Biden
Speaker 1: lie because had we changed the Senate, Biden's hands would
Speaker 1: not be as tired as they are. They're trying to
Speaker 1: rail rod him to any way he did. Barack Obama
Speaker 1: and pigeonholed him to world. He only had a limited power.
Speaker 1: We have to change the Senate to more people that
Speaker 1: look and think like us, even Republicans. It's not all
Speaker 1: bad Republicans. They just got a bad rep right now
Speaker 1: because the Trump But all Republicans are not bad. But
Speaker 1: what was that Biden the lives of with that we're
Speaker 1: not gonna get the fifteen an hour from minimum wage
Speaker 1: and that they change the income bracket I think for
Speaker 1: the four d dollars stimulus checks, but they MS McConnell
Speaker 1: is still only mission and then enough power with you
Speaker 1: all listen to what the school who is not longer
Speaker 1: the president, he still say Windom and y'all should be
Speaker 1: blaming them other senators. We have forty three for us
Speaker 1: and what it was forty three, forty seven, fifty three right,
Speaker 1: y'all need it? We needed more senators, Republican senators to
Speaker 1: join with us and stop being afraid they are terrified
Speaker 1: or whatever power this food holds over them. And the
Speaker 1: collateral damage is the American people. I eat. I'm an
Speaker 1: American person. This is this is my issue, and I
Speaker 1: don't think people are gonna like what happens. That's I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say. This is my issue. Um, the problem I
Speaker 1: think that we have. We'll all speak specifically to the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party because I'm a part of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I vote Democratic. The problem that I have and I
Speaker 1: think this is similar to the conversation that we had
Speaker 1: around Lovery Lightfoot. We as a party are so quick
Speaker 1: to attack each other and to I understand holding us accountable,
Speaker 1: but we're so quick to attack each other. Something doesn't
Speaker 1: happen quick enough, or you know, we're gonna criticize each other.
Speaker 1: All that does is give more credibility to the Republicans
Speaker 1: or you know, the far right, whoever we want, whoever
Speaker 1: we're gonna, you know, put them over there with. It
Speaker 1: only gives them more credibility when it comes up time
Speaker 1: for re elections to happen, for us not to get
Speaker 1: into office. So my issue is Joe Biden has been
Speaker 1: in office for all of thirty days, a little over
Speaker 1: thirty days, and y'all are mad already, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he hasn't done this fast enough. He hasn't done this
Speaker 1: fast enough. It took George Bush, because they're ready forgets
Speaker 1: how bad of a president George Bush was. It took
Speaker 1: him eight years to lead us into a recession, and
Speaker 1: it took Barack Obama eight years to lift us out
Speaker 1: of it. And yes, people can argue that Obama didn't
Speaker 1: do everything that he promised, But none of y'all have
Speaker 1: been president, So chill out one. Y'all have no idea
Speaker 1: what that office hold. You'll have no idea what he's on,
Speaker 1: what's on his plate every day, and the myriad of
Speaker 1: things that he has to combat. Yes, we elected him,
Speaker 1: but give Joe Biden at least a year. He hasn't
Speaker 1: even gotten his whole cabinet together yet, and y'all are
Speaker 1: mad trying to criticize him and all that's gonna do
Speaker 1: in four years when they get somebody else in the
Speaker 1: Republican Party to be the nominee, whether it's not Trump,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna give that person credibility to come with the
Speaker 1: strategy to say, well, look what Joe Biden did. And
Speaker 1: all these Democrats were upset about it. Chill out. Did
Speaker 1: you hear what she's saying? She said, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: lot on his plate. You don't know what's on his plate.
Speaker 1: We new what was on the last president plate McDonald's
Speaker 1: country yourself. But don't forget he held up Taco bell
Speaker 1: for single DEMYO. So Joe Biden a lad. Joe Biden
Speaker 1: has tried and he's going to continue to try. We
Speaker 1: have to work with him. I completely agree with what
Speaker 1: Laurence said, we always so quick. He is not Helen Keller,
Speaker 1: he is not a miracle working. He's just one man.
Speaker 1: And he did win, and we voted for him to win.
Speaker 1: So we have to have a little more patience to
Speaker 1: let him get into this job. When you start, your
Speaker 1: new job is to learn by doing process. Should we
Speaker 1: still try to learn how to hook up this damn equipment?
Speaker 1: But you need to let us a learn by doing process.
Speaker 1: And you have to have patience to work with the people.
Speaker 1: Y'all too quickly, this councel culture and what has not
Speaker 1: been done. Stop. I'm back to Kennedy. That's not what
Speaker 1: your what your president can do for you, ask what yourself,
Speaker 1: what you can do for your damn president. We should
Speaker 1: be upholding him all the negativity in this country, with
Speaker 1: this whole Corrunna Bouyer crap. We need to really stand
Speaker 1: behind him, and we're gonna have to be on the
Speaker 1: roller coaster of mistakes and and on the successes of
Speaker 1: this presidency because this is who we chose. This who
Speaker 1: we chose. We talked about it for weeks before and
Speaker 1: half months. This is who we chose work. Let's work
Speaker 1: with this party. And and I'm talking to the Democrats
Speaker 1: called Republican mad about everything. They just man, they know
Speaker 1: they sucked up putting their in in position to be
Speaker 1: their spokesperson. So they still man. I'm talking to the Democrats,
Speaker 1: have some patience. Back it up, pull out, and I'll say,
Speaker 1: this is the one thing that you can be mad
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of mad about the Democrats about is
Speaker 1: the impeachment managers that ran Donald Trump's impeachment. I'm upset
Speaker 1: with them. If y'all want to be mad at somebody
Speaker 1: being mad, be mad at them because I feel like
Speaker 1: they didn't do their due diligence to really get the
Speaker 1: votes that they needed in terms of bringing witnesses forward.
Speaker 1: You know, the subpoena Donald Trump and he said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not complying. I don't know anybody any other American
Speaker 1: that gets subpoena and can just say I'm not coming
Speaker 1: and not get arrested and put it in jail. So,
Speaker 1: if y'all want to be mad at some Democrats, even
Speaker 1: at the impeachment managers, that they didn't do all that
Speaker 1: they could have to really get Donald Trump impeached for
Speaker 1: the second time. I think I think with with that,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that I think that was a
Speaker 1: tough road to hold. I think that many walked in
Speaker 1: already having decided how they were going to vote, regardless
Speaker 1: of the amount of evidence put forward. What I did
Speaker 1: think that they did. Unlike the first impeachment, I felt
Speaker 1: like this was less of a show and more by
Speaker 1: the numbers and straight to the point, like, look, we're
Speaker 1: not going to belabor the point. I love the way
Speaker 1: they laid out their case actually, with the whole timeline
Speaker 1: of events and what the uh the former president was
Speaker 1: doing at the time. But I agree with you, I
Speaker 1: just wish that more could have possibly been done to
Speaker 1: follow through with witnesses and things like that. Now that
Speaker 1: we know people definitely want to testify. I want to
Speaker 1: say this because I know we want to move in
Speaker 1: and open the floor. Why don't we move Governor Cuomo
Speaker 1: as we continue to learn more to next week. That
Speaker 1: will give people a chance to kind of figure out
Speaker 1: what's happening with that, so that we can give our
Speaker 1: flame mets a chance to jump on in there with
Speaker 1: what you want. I think we can talk to I
Speaker 1: don't want to attack Andrew only because you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have this. Well, it's not even about attacking. I
Speaker 1: think that what we can say is the Governor Cuomo
Speaker 1: have been front and center during UH much of the
Speaker 1: early stages of the pandemic, and now they're just questions
Speaker 1: being brought to light about whether or not all the
Speaker 1: information was presented forward. And I think what I want
Speaker 1: to say more than anything is that I think we
Speaker 1: all deserve to have a bit of transparency wherever the
Speaker 1: science leads, wherever the facts lead. I think that we
Speaker 1: all want to just know exactly what's happening in the
Speaker 1: number of people who may have been um UH failed
Speaker 1: by this virus. Yeah. Well, I'll say this, and I
Speaker 1: may be a little biased because I do like Andrew
Speaker 1: Cuomo as well. My thing is he's relying on his
Speaker 1: scientists and his doctors and his health officials to kind
Speaker 1: of give him the numbers, and I feel like if
Speaker 1: they didn't have their strategy together and you know, all
Speaker 1: of their people accurately documenting what was happening, he was
Speaker 1: just relaying the information that he was leaning on his
Speaker 1: experts for and if his experts kind of failed him,
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up being a sacrificial lamb. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true or not. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: they gave him the information and he didn't do what
Speaker 1: he needed to do with it and provide proper insight
Speaker 1: or you know, proper explanation around it. But I'm leaning
Speaker 1: towards my first inkling is that maybe they were They
Speaker 1: were the epicenter. They didn't know, nothing's ever really happened
Speaker 1: like this in a hundred years. They did the best
Speaker 1: that they could, and you know, maybe some balls got dropped.
Speaker 1: And because he is the governor, he's turning into the
Speaker 1: sacrificial lamb. Was being investigated by the FBI. Now, and Lauren,
Speaker 1: can we say this to Lauren Flame? Haven't we always
Speaker 1: said own it? I watched Governor Cuomo said, the buck
Speaker 1: stops with me. I take full responsibility. What however this goes,
Speaker 1: I take full responsibility. I never see a leader step
Speaker 1: out and do that. I thought that that right there
Speaker 1: was commendable. And let me tell you, when I knew
Speaker 1: that Andrew Cuomo was pure, full owned gangster, when he
Speaker 1: didn't fall inland with this foolishness, when this whole coronavirus
Speaker 1: this coronavirus came out, and he didn't follow for the
Speaker 1: fauci Oki doke or the Trump who woo, and he
Speaker 1: did what he needs to do for his state and
Speaker 1: his city. That's when I knew Baby Andrew gonna do
Speaker 1: what he needs to do to take care of his people.
Speaker 1: He showed care and he agreed. He showed leadership because
Speaker 1: everybody ain't got leadership. Because you're in a position to
Speaker 1: be a boss, you need to act like when everybody
Speaker 1: just got Some people got the title and don't know
Speaker 1: how to do the job. Trust me when I tell
Speaker 1: you mother can do the job. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the governor of New York, but I like to
Speaker 1: live in Manhattan, you know, Fifth Avenue. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: or or or or former Seneca, you know, like Lauren
Speaker 1: brought up last week. You know because uh that that hey,
Speaker 1: they still owe you your forty acres in the mule? H. Well,
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Speaker 1: for snake, Ted, you know he knows what he said.
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Speaker 1: can blindly be that dumb. And even his wife supports
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Speaker 1: at her text messages, she was telling people in their
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Speaker 1: of that was by accident. He just thought he could do,
Speaker 1: almost like when Christie government, Governor Christie because his family
Speaker 1: to the beach that was supposed to be closed down.
Speaker 1: Jan how's the weather there in St. Louis? It is
Speaker 1: beautiful today. It's like forty six almost fifty. Uh. I
Speaker 1: see that Nellie. Nellie's mansion is for sale. Let's buy it,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's so messed up. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: in that neck of the world. Well, Jan, we thank
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Speaker 1: That is our T T J and T Her name
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Speaker 1: to that. What's blackhood? Historian resonates to you, Teresa, And
Speaker 1: what do you think we're gonna do about us attacking
Speaker 1: Joe Biden saying people saying that he lacked Oh my goodness. Well,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people don't know how many
Speaker 1: entertainers are really black historians. So I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 1: the White House, she was asked to leave before she
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Speaker 1: And then she came back and want of Tony and
Speaker 1: did all these other things. So um, entertainers have fought
Speaker 1: for so long, Harry, Harry Delafonte. Um, you know Dorothy
Speaker 1: Dandrews today, Yes, Nina simone On on such a large scale,
Speaker 1: people thought she lost her mind. But truly what it
Speaker 1: was that she just could not deal with how they
Speaker 1: treated African American artists and how they wanted us to
Speaker 1: be silent and just sing and take it. And it
Speaker 1: broke her heart, It broke her spirit. And so um,
Speaker 1: those I could name several, Oh Billie Holiday, they just
Speaker 1: need a movie about, Oh my God, and just think
Speaker 1: how they wouldn't They didn't want her to sing in
Speaker 1: Carnegie Halls so many times, so many times, so so
Speaker 1: so hard she fought to sing there at Carnegie Hall.
Speaker 1: And and and how often they broke her heart. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't know what they went through in order for
Speaker 1: them to to be so disrespectful these days. So um,
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Speaker 1: out here now we now we know what privileged feels
Speaker 1: like because some of them feel privileged for the work
Speaker 1: that some of us did way back in the day.
Speaker 1: So when we say to white people, you I want
Speaker 1: to understand what white privilege is, or when you say
Speaker 1: people who say they don't understand what privilege is, if
Speaker 1: you're in that situation, then you understand where privilege is
Speaker 1: because you're watching somebody who's younger than you, who's not
Speaker 1: as talented as you, but who has moved in spaces
Speaker 1: that you have created for them not re recognize you
Speaker 1: and not respecting you. I'm telling you it's a double
Speaker 1: as sword. If you sit back and pay attention to it,
Speaker 1: it is huge on so many levels. Great Great Charles.
Speaker 1: When you think about what Charles went through, how he
Speaker 1: literally was like, well, I'm not gonna play this venue.
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. The things so many artists that
Speaker 1: they can't even name, and for us to be disrespectful
Speaker 1: to one another, to call each other bitches and house
Speaker 1: Uh wait a minute, now, hold on, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about affectionately. I'm talking about disrespectfully. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking about disrespectfully and and how we embrace it and
Speaker 1: say it's okay. What Rosa, Parks and all of those
Speaker 1: people went through in order for us to not even
Speaker 1: to not even want to dress respectfully on stage. They
Speaker 1: don't understand what queen glamour is. They don't understand where
Speaker 1: Queen Glamour came from. You know, it's they don't understand
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Speaker 1: love listen. So we got to talk about the subject
Speaker 1: that I had. You got to did your homework forward
Speaker 1: because we've got time is moving on, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the subject of um um, how do
Speaker 1: I say it? Okay, So I am that's a transgar couple,
Speaker 1: trans man and the trans woman, and they're they're married
Speaker 1: and they have they had a baby. Now that's not
Speaker 1: even the issue because was very um hetero sex to
Speaker 1: have the baby, but the trans man was in had
Speaker 1: in vitro fertilization because they were having issues because they
Speaker 1: both started taking hormones so they could have a successful,
Speaker 1: uh healthy baby. But the state of Illinois listed the
Speaker 1: trans man as the father and the trans woman as
Speaker 1: the mother, right even though the trans man was the
Speaker 1: one who actually had and carried the baby. So technically
Speaker 1: the trans man is biologically the mother even though not
Speaker 1: on the paper, and the trans mother is actually the father,
Speaker 1: but not on paper. So we want you guys the
Speaker 1: way in and tell us what you think about that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't explain it the best. I let launge,
Speaker 1: but because you know, I'm just trying to ABC for
Speaker 1: you guys, because I know somebody's like, what who yes,
Speaker 1: So to kind of just break it down a little bit,
Speaker 1: there was a transgender couple married couple in Chicago. The
Speaker 1: trans uh gender man and his name is Miles Brodie
Speaker 1: Davis and the trans woman's name is Precious I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Brady Davis, and um, they decided that they were gonna
Speaker 1: get married and they wanted to start a family. So
Speaker 1: because of that, um like flames said, they decided to
Speaker 1: do in vitro and uh, the transman Miles ended up
Speaker 1: carrying the baby because, like he said on his TLC special,
Speaker 1: he was you know, provided the equipment. So they made
Speaker 1: the decision to have Myles carry the baby, and um,
Speaker 1: Precious was just very supportive throughout the whole process. They
Speaker 1: actually ended up having a TLC special called My My
Speaker 1: Pregnant Husband and um, Flame, I sent you the Entertainment
Speaker 1: Tonight interview that they did. Um, but I think this
Speaker 1: is something interesting that we can talk about because Flame,
Speaker 1: you are a father for a transgender father, and I
Speaker 1: think that there were some different perspectives here. And we
Speaker 1: can let the Flame mets know too that Precious and
Speaker 1: I actually had we were talking between yesterday and today
Speaker 1: because they wanted them to come on to the show
Speaker 1: and kind of explain their side of their experience and
Speaker 1: then we can kind of have an open dialogue to
Speaker 1: see if there's similarities, differences and perspectives or what have you. Um,
Speaker 1: they weren't able to, but UM, we're gonna see if
Speaker 1: you can coordinate a separate time to maybe have them
Speaker 1: come on here. Um, but Flame, you had some you know,
Speaker 1: really transparent thoughts that I think would be interesting forum
Speaker 1: our viewers. Well, the only because I guess some inboxes
Speaker 1: about it. When I brought up the subject the of
Speaker 1: the day on the on my on coffee time and
Speaker 1: someone said, well, flame, isn't that the same scenario as
Speaker 1: you and your your baby mama or your You know,
Speaker 1: absolutely not, because we have I'm transgender and my baby
Speaker 1: mama identified as a transgender. But I've always been my
Speaker 1: children's father and she has always been their mother. Do
Speaker 1: you understand what I mean? So that's the difference. So
Speaker 1: this kid will be raised that the father is the mother,
Speaker 1: the actual mother is the who is now the father,
Speaker 1: and the actual father who is now the mother. My
Speaker 1: I have no discoversities, but I think it's great. I
Speaker 1: think it's wonderful to her family. I think it's wonderful
Speaker 1: for love. I've always wanted my own children. I think
Speaker 1: the difference is that I'm thinking that my only fear,
Speaker 1: and it's not a fear that I should even be
Speaker 1: concerned about because it's not my damn business, for real,
Speaker 1: But what if the couple don't stay together? And then
Speaker 1: would the child be left? So called? And the and
Speaker 1: the trans woman decides that she don't want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the relationship, because you know, sometimes breakups
Speaker 1: are very bitter. I have a very bitter breakup, so
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't want to interact. But my children always
Speaker 1: knew that was their mom, and I never tried to
Speaker 1: keep it. What if the one person decides that they
Speaker 1: don't want to be involved, so would the child be
Speaker 1: left motherless or fatherless? That was the question I was asked,
Speaker 1: and I may not be staying correctly. I promise you
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to incite anybody. I'm not enraged, I'm
Speaker 1: not angry. I'm very happy for this couple. But I'm
Speaker 1: just asking the question only outside looking in because I'm
Speaker 1: kind of dumbfounded about the situation myself. And since I
Speaker 1: don't know, we will talk about this, So bring some folks.
Speaker 1: What do you think? By the way, I mean, um,
Speaker 1: and they have a beautiful couple. Let me say that
Speaker 1: my thing is this, I'm not I'm not trans so
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily whatever. So I can't. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I can fully speak to that experience because it's
Speaker 1: not mine. Um. But at the same time, I will
Speaker 1: say that, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 1: with what you're asking, you're posing because in a way,
Speaker 1: you're kind of playing Devil's advocate, and I in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways in my life I do kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, operate that way. I think it's always good
Speaker 1: to play worst case scenario because you just never know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. So that's been your experience. Is you
Speaker 1: know you were with someone, you know, you guys were
Speaker 1: both a trans couple, you guys had a baby together,
Speaker 1: and you guys parted ways, and because of that, you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this could be the similar situation. And there's other elements
Speaker 1: to is where the you know, the trans man was
Speaker 1: as the father on the Brest certificate of the trans
Speaker 1: woman listen to as mother. So I think the true
Speaker 1: question is very valid. And I saw him really speak
Speaker 1: to because, like I said, it's not my experience, so
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend anybody. And for the record,
Speaker 1: I didn't uh stop taking homeowners because I wasn't taking
Speaker 1: them definitely not that one. And I know and I
Speaker 1: know and I did not um. I did not have
Speaker 1: to uh do and reach your fertilization because verything works.
Speaker 1: It was the old fashioned way. But I really am
Speaker 1: intrigued to know my mind because I've watched my children,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you my children were broken not having
Speaker 1: their mother. Let me say that now and I can
Speaker 1: say this publicly. I've seen my children long and long
Speaker 1: for their mother, and sometimes she was just not in
Speaker 1: a place that I wanted them around her. So I
Speaker 1: didn't try to shield them keep them from her. I
Speaker 1: tried to shield them from her because I knew where
Speaker 1: it would would go or how it would end up.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it really did that. But they had to
Speaker 1: experience that. That's all I'm saying, that they break up
Speaker 1: will be trans woman who was the mother, who represents
Speaker 1: the mother? You know, stay involved in a lot. And
Speaker 1: I'm speaking from a trans woman point where we are selfish,
Speaker 1: we want what we want. And if I ain't had
Speaker 1: to handle kids, There's been many days I went in
Speaker 1: my bathroom and I am their father, but I identify
Speaker 1: as their father. Even though I dressed up like a
Speaker 1: woman to work, I have went in the bathroom like,
Speaker 1: good God, could I could have chose something else? I
Speaker 1: could have had to be. I could, but I stayed.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody does not have that capacity to deal
Speaker 1: with that, and that's what I'm asking Soper. I know
Speaker 1: that was a lot, but share with us, please your thoughts.
Speaker 1: So I'm taking it all in because it was great information.
Speaker 1: But if I can step back and look in to me,
Speaker 1: I don't I think their experience is going to be
Speaker 1: like every other child who has parents that broke up. UM,
Speaker 1: the parents who takes the child hopefully will be like you,
Speaker 1: flame involved something that they want and be, you know,
Speaker 1: an active participant. Um I do. I think it will
Speaker 1: be unfortunate. But I don't. I don't see. I don't
Speaker 1: see how it will wait different some of my trans sisters.
Speaker 1: I'm about to LuSE y'all on this one, and I
Speaker 1: love you to them. And in respect of biologically born women,
Speaker 1: my grandmother has always said, and I'm gonna say it
Speaker 1: publicly again that the difference between because you know, trans
Speaker 1: women loved we we love the Hollywey real women were
Speaker 1: real woman and you can be a real woman, you
Speaker 1: can feel like a real woman. Whatever. But my grandmother
Speaker 1: would always say, and I believe this, I will watch
Speaker 1: her tell my auntie, is this the difference between a
Speaker 1: man and a woman is a woman's heart and mind,
Speaker 1: a woman's loyalty will A man's loyalty will never stand
Speaker 1: the test of a woman's loyalty. That's the woman's a
Speaker 1: plus and her mind is because you get loyal to
Speaker 1: a person and you stay in longer than you're supposed
Speaker 1: to and when then when it's done, when a woman
Speaker 1: is done, she walks away, but she will still always
Speaker 1: have love for her kids. A man can say I'm
Speaker 1: out and from the man perspective of me, because it's
Speaker 1: he's weak. From the man and me, I've seen it happen.
Speaker 1: I I've walked away from some things, not my children,
Speaker 1: but I've walked away something and I never looked, and
Speaker 1: I knew I was wrong for walking away from certain things.
Speaker 1: And this is what I'm saying. Will they still stay
Speaker 1: involved for the child? Bobby? And I know I'm saying
Speaker 1: it confusing. I know it sounds you know, No, you're
Speaker 1: not confusing to me. I think I still think the
Speaker 1: kids are at the same advantage or disadvantage of heterosexual
Speaker 1: couple or anything else I can tell you. I am,
Speaker 1: I'm a single parent. My son's father left at five.
Speaker 1: He just left, you know. But so these kids, well,
Speaker 1: whether they stay with the do what we're calling the
Speaker 1: mom or their dad. As long as there's one one
Speaker 1: participating parents, I think they're gonna be the same as
Speaker 1: everybody else, good or bad, whatever, you know. I think
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be loved conditionally, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: know to treat people, um, with respect. And because their
Speaker 1: parents is different, my kids know that because I'm such
Speaker 1: a different looking person that they treat people like with
Speaker 1: respect and you know, and they cord so the love
Speaker 1: will be there. I just because they made and they
Speaker 1: made history because Miles was the first transman to be
Speaker 1: listed as the father of Illinois. Yeah, no, I think
Speaker 1: that's great. And I also think that, um, I would
Speaker 1: not have I'm trying to think of the expression used
Speaker 1: way back when when you said I wasn't one of
Speaker 1: those girls. Miles is one of those guys. I never
Speaker 1: in a million years would have thought that that he
Speaker 1: wasn't from birth a man, his voice, his cadence, the
Speaker 1: way he just carries himself. UM. So yeah, that was
Speaker 1: because I was I watched all the interviews, I did
Speaker 1: all my homework. Everybody, I'm a good student, you're very
Speaker 1: very good. You get a thank you. Um. And they
Speaker 1: were talking about I don't know if the two of
Speaker 1: you saw the interview where he actually um was pulled
Speaker 1: over while they were shopping for baby clothes or shop
Speaker 1: shopping that closed the day of the shower, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought that was tricky because I
Speaker 1: have to say, if if I could again looking from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in now, I don't know about there
Speaker 1: were five cops or something that piece I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: But if I saw a guy that was built like
Speaker 1: cam tall lean and all of a sudden with this big,
Speaker 1: you know, pouch out front, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would have thought there was something going on. Um. And
Speaker 1: also one of the interviews that I saw, and I
Speaker 1: wish there was more clarification. I'm sorry, that's the puppy barking. Um.
Speaker 1: It sounded like the woman who had lifted his shirt
Speaker 1: apologized and felt Terri. That's that's what I got from that,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was nice, but it was a
Speaker 1: good response. I think it was an over exaggeration of
Speaker 1: what they needed to be a shoplifter. Well to then,
Speaker 1: and to your point, buddy, to the nick and eye
Speaker 1: for somebody that does not understand trains or they would
Speaker 1: have been baffled. They I'm sure whoever the police officer
Speaker 1: was was baffled, because, like you say, Miles is exceptionally
Speaker 1: convincing that we have some beautiful trans man. Myles is
Speaker 1: one of the ones that you just don't know. So
Speaker 1: to think that you're actually looking at a man he
Speaker 1: tells you that he's pregnant, of course you're gonna be like, yeah, right, trying.
Speaker 1: I would I have to exactly, that's exactly, and I
Speaker 1: would have felt like two sets, but um, I absolutely
Speaker 1: I felt badly they had to happen just before the shower.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I wanted a dog my whole life,
Speaker 1: and this guy, I'm ready, he's fine, Oh, he's fine.
Speaker 1: I just don't want the talent. I would be cheated
Speaker 1: out of having a mummy. No, And I don't think
Speaker 1: I hear that. I fail that in every every circumstance
Speaker 1: with single parents. Um, you know, it's it's a lousy situation.
Speaker 1: It's a super lousy situation. I think you spoke to
Speaker 1: my son, and I'm sure your kids they would rather
Speaker 1: a two parent family or two people that were involved
Speaker 1: in it. Technically my kids got three. He she and
Speaker 1: we this this will we do our topics now, this
Speaker 1: is the he she we segment of the show. We
Speaker 1: engage with all of our play nets, so he we continue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't, but I but I at a tough
Speaker 1: time after listening to all the information. They are a
Speaker 1: lovely couple. They like and love. I knock would that
Speaker 1: they're not the other side of um. But I think
Speaker 1: that they both tried so hard for this baby. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't see this particular couple. I
Speaker 1: can't say about all of her talking in generalities. I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't speak to it. But I don't think. I
Speaker 1: think this couple they they remain as you know, parents,
Speaker 1: and I've seen people on here saying they want to
Speaker 1: have another baby. So I think they've had over heels
Speaker 1: in love. I think they're madly and too great. And
Speaker 1: the trans women who have children, I'm talking about transant
Speaker 1: who don't that don't engage with their children, don't see
Speaker 1: their children, don't do anything for their children, but love
Speaker 1: to scream that they have to. And I'm not seeking
Speaker 1: speaking to anyone personally, but I know plenty of trans
Speaker 1: my trans sisters that do have kids and don't do
Speaker 1: nothing with for their children. And this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I think it's great. I don't want to just say, guys.
Speaker 1: And I said, my trans womens, believe me. You ain't
Speaker 1: gut to say, guys, I'm saying, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: give it. I was to say, I'm just saying my experience.
Speaker 1: You know, when i want credit. What's the old what's
Speaker 1: the old joke that that women used to say, if
Speaker 1: you want to chase a man, wait a man away,
Speaker 1: telling that you're pregnant baby. Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 1: That's the old. Well, thank you so much, Bobby. What happened?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Wow? That is it is? It baffles me
Speaker 1: that well, I see, I didn't know that police story.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine that the police pulling her over. The
Speaker 1: story is that Miles was actually in a store and
Speaker 1: was doing some last minute shopping for the baby shower,
Speaker 1: and as he was leaving the store, he was surrounded
Speaker 1: by all these police officers and was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: please be gentle, please be gentle, and eight ones pregnant
Speaker 1: and what I also saw too part of the special um.
Speaker 1: He was having some complications. He had been servics the baby,
Speaker 1: so it was all that he was like, gentle, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 1: Come on, gorgeous, Hello sweetie, Hi, how are you. I
Speaker 1: was like, we got to bring Michelle in here. I know.
Speaker 1: Let me just um now term Tavia done. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw the interview. But also they are they are a
Speaker 1: lovely couple. Let me just say. And I have nothing
Speaker 1: against trans couples, you know that. My issue is that
Speaker 1: he had the baby, and obviously he was a she
Speaker 1: and she was a here. I get all that. I
Speaker 1: get all that in the relationship, but my thing is
Speaker 1: when they went to register the baby. I have an
Speaker 1: issue because even though he's a trans man, he still
Speaker 1: carried the baby. Therefore, he still had a wound. So
Speaker 1: in my opinion, my personal opinions, if you still have
Speaker 1: a wound, you're still a woman to that effect, because
Speaker 1: you carried the baby. Because there's no where on this
Speaker 1: planet any man has actually carried a baby and carried
Speaker 1: a baby to termine had a baby. I think there
Speaker 1: was one man where I think they said he tried
Speaker 1: to but he I think he died. Actually, there was
Speaker 1: one story about some man back in the day trying
Speaker 1: to have a baby, but it didn't work out. But
Speaker 1: my issue is just the fact that you can be trans,
Speaker 1: you can be in a loving couple, in a loving relationship.
Speaker 1: I just think that when you know the registration part
Speaker 1: of it, I think it's a bit confusing. You can
Speaker 1: live as a trans couple, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he still had a womb, which therefore made
Speaker 1: him able to carry the baby. I am a woman.
Speaker 1: If I go cut my hair off tomorrow and put
Speaker 1: jeans on and start taking hormone tablets, I'm still a
Speaker 1: woman if I don't have any surgery. And even if
Speaker 1: I have surgery, I don't i'd even be able to
Speaker 1: carry a baby. That's just my opinion on that part
Speaker 1: of it. That their their relationship and been able to
Speaker 1: raise a kid, there will be like every other normal couple. Man,
Speaker 1: woman doesn't really you know, dogcat, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But I just believe just that that issue just kind
Speaker 1: of got to me. When you know that registration parts,
Speaker 1: I just think it's a bit confusing. And I also
Speaker 1: think in society, you know, we get to the point
Speaker 1: where we're letting so many issues in life take precedent
Speaker 1: over you know, an issue, and then it becomes the norm.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, we all have to evolve with
Speaker 1: society and everyone has to be equal. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, there comes a point where we are missing
Speaker 1: with society as a whole, because you know, man is man,
Speaker 1: woman has children. If it then becomes later on where
Speaker 1: men can actually have babies, I will change my stance.
Speaker 1: But as it stands in the twenty one century, men
Speaker 1: cannot have babies, so therefore only with the registration of
Speaker 1: the birth certificate part of their story. I disagree he
Speaker 1: should have put him as the mother and she could
Speaker 1: still be the father because they are biology the parents
Speaker 1: of the baby. Well, I mean, would be would be different?
Speaker 1: Would it be different if there was a way to
Speaker 1: identify as a trans father on the birth certificate? Would
Speaker 1: you have the same point of view? Yeah, well again
Speaker 1: I I I would. I know my perspective would change
Speaker 1: because then legally it would already have it on the documentation.
Speaker 1: He was a transmail, so by common sense, you know
Speaker 1: your mother was still a woman, but on the paper
Speaker 1: would still be a trans and mail. You know, there's
Speaker 1: some definition because you don't know how the child's gonna
Speaker 1: feel later on down the road. In life. A lot
Speaker 1: of these issues that we tend to be put in
Speaker 1: as rights. Now in society, we don't know how it's
Speaker 1: gonna affect us down the line. I'm from kind of flames.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty free, so I was then the eighties and
Speaker 1: the nineties. You know, when it was just gay and lesbian,
Speaker 1: there was none of the you know, they had drag queens.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have trans I'm talking about in England.
Speaker 1: Then slowly in the late eighties into the nineties we
Speaker 1: got trans in, we got gay, we got bisexual. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not necessary about this discussion is not just about
Speaker 1: you know, your sexual orientation. But I'm just saying there's
Speaker 1: so many labels now everything is getting confused. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a Christian. I'm not one of these. You know,
Speaker 1: man shouldn't be with men, and everyone loves who you love.
Speaker 1: I believe that you love who you love. But at
Speaker 1: the same time that the core basis I think sometimes
Speaker 1: we are just getting a bit muddled and it's getting
Speaker 1: a bit dirty in society. That's all it is the UK,
Speaker 1: that's our British corresponding with hell and can I just say,
Speaker 1: can I just in England we had the same situation.
Speaker 1: We had two trans women that they obviously were men,
Speaker 1: but they were two trans women. Um, so that means
Speaker 1: we're women. They're just as men. And one of them,
Speaker 1: who now have two children, had a baby, and in
Speaker 1: our papers we reported over here with the first man
Speaker 1: to have a baby. But she was still a woman.
Speaker 1: She still had They both had their wounds, none of
Speaker 1: them had um and so corrective surgery, so they were
Speaker 1: both still a woman. But they dressed as men, they
Speaker 1: had beards, they took hormone replacements, you know, but they
Speaker 1: were still able to carry babies. There was a big
Speaker 1: issue about that over here. And that's a good few
Speaker 1: years ago. And now they've got two children. Nothing again
Speaker 1: wrong with them raising their kids. No one's saying, oh
Speaker 1: it's wrong, they shouldn't have the children. But again it's
Speaker 1: always an issue of contention because if a man trans
Speaker 1: man has a woman, i mean sorry, has a baby,
Speaker 1: is he a woman? Is he still a woman with
Speaker 1: his womb? And I think if you have your womb,
Speaker 1: you're still a woman. Flame, if they're sitting next to you,
Speaker 1: we know Flame has his breast, but he also has
Speaker 1: his man parts. So but you see again we flame, now,
Speaker 1: we we know he is the he she we that's different.
Speaker 1: He's already put out there his his gender difference differentiation. Know,
Speaker 1: I mean is he, there's he, is she, and there's we.
Speaker 1: When you want to be trends and then you're telling me,
Speaker 1: I'm a man, but I'm having a baby. In my mind,
Speaker 1: you're still a woman, but you can be a trans man.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are not gonna be
Speaker 1: happy with what I'm saying, but that's just my opinion
Speaker 1: of information because and and that my point is just
Speaker 1: for when they want to you know, you can have babies,
Speaker 1: you can have them naturally, you can adopt, you can
Speaker 1: have any way you want to get you know, given them.
Speaker 1: It's just that little thing when they put it on
Speaker 1: the birth certificate. You know, maybe that needs to be
Speaker 1: changed in the future. But again, I don't want it
Speaker 1: to be a case where we start changing all the
Speaker 1: boxes in on the sheet. You know, it's a you know,
Speaker 1: a non gender pacific parent, it's a this parent, it's
Speaker 1: that parent. I don't want the boxes to be so
Speaker 1: many bloody box on paper. It's gone from just being
Speaker 1: mom and dad, you know what I mean. That is
Speaker 1: a lot and I'm sorry. It was a great perspective
Speaker 1: and I will never Laurence. I've never done if they
Speaker 1: would have put trans mother or I mean trans father,
Speaker 1: because let me tell you something, if and I'm praying
Speaker 1: to things work out, I hope you'll be together and
Speaker 1: be married and stay together for a hundre years. And
Speaker 1: I'm not even just coming out. I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: in case this ever happens with another couple. Let me
Speaker 1: just use another couple of for instance, if I went
Speaker 1: to court and the mother gets all the rights in court,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. The mama can pretty much
Speaker 1: be a crackhead smoking the pipe in court and turn
Speaker 1: the trick, and depending on the judge, father's rights are
Speaker 1: not very great in this country. The mother gets all
Speaker 1: the rights because they feel like because the mother carried
Speaker 1: and had the baby, that is eight percent the mother's baby.
Speaker 1: That I'm telling you what the court system done, especially
Speaker 1: when it different. I'm trains. I had to go to
Speaker 1: court over and over and over and over to explain
Speaker 1: who I was in my children's lives in order to
Speaker 1: get custody to them, but I was always listed as
Speaker 1: the father. Do you know if a judge sees that,
Speaker 1: who's unfamiliar with something like this, what they're gonna be thinking,
Speaker 1: like what you know, I'm not gonna give this child
Speaker 1: to you because I'm afraid you're gonna because you know
Speaker 1: how they think about trains people and get people turn
Speaker 1: them into you. Nothing could be the truth of my
Speaker 1: kids because they don't even like me like that be
Speaker 1: like me. But imagine the naked eye, just like those
Speaker 1: police you put up on a man and he said
Speaker 1: he pregnant. It's a line of fet me and out
Speaker 1: here with big stomachs. But yeah, so it is like Michelle,
Speaker 1: it's money in the waters. It's such a great area
Speaker 1: that is scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you were
Speaker 1: sorry long and gone no no, no no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just gonna say, like you said, money, we
Speaker 1: just have to kind of see how, you know, things
Speaker 1: go further down the line. Everything takes a bit of
Speaker 1: time for evolution. So you know, we may get that
Speaker 1: box on the birth certificate registration form you know soon,
Speaker 1: who knows. But I just don't want it to get
Speaker 1: a bit crazy out there with too many boxes, too
Speaker 1: many labels, and you know, again nothing with their parents
Speaker 1: and they're going to be lovey parents and you know
Speaker 1: what happens in the future happens in the future. It's
Speaker 1: just just for the fact that little thing, when I
Speaker 1: heard about the registration, that really kind of got to
Speaker 1: me a little bit, you know much. Thank you, no worries,
Speaker 1: thank you. Since I was a kid, I've always checked
Speaker 1: other you know how they have male female other. You
Speaker 1: have always have checked other, even when I was a
Speaker 1: young kid, because you know, I was always a strange beach.
Speaker 1: I've always checked other. Well, I mean, this is what
Speaker 1: I'll say. I don't I just want to clarify that
Speaker 1: we're not trying to deny anybody's experience. That's not what
Speaker 1: we're doing. We're simply here to have an exchange of
Speaker 1: information because FLAME thought this was an interesting topic. We
Speaker 1: haven't really had any LGBTQ topics on the show, and
Speaker 1: we thought that this was a good one to have.
Speaker 1: So now, hello, misspontagea. Hi, I'm not at home, so
Speaker 1: I hope my wife bid is fine. You look great
Speaker 1: and we can hear you take that look like you
Speaker 1: got a beard, loom. So what are your what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about TASA on this topic? My thoughts on
Speaker 1: that topic on that topic is I completely agree with
Speaker 1: Michelle and I completely agree with with flame. However, to
Speaker 1: each its own, and they are all entitled to their
Speaker 1: parents are entitled to their opinion on how they want
Speaker 1: their documentation noted. But I just it makes me come
Speaker 1: back to an experience, a very unfortunate situation in my life,
Speaker 1: which was like a life altering experience. I was in
Speaker 1: a in a m ambulance losing lots of blood I had.
Speaker 1: It's a long story anyway, I remember I remember that
Speaker 1: the doctors asking me, are you on your period, ma'am?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh no, I said, I'm trans.
Speaker 1: So once I told him I was trans, he knew
Speaker 1: that technically I was mailed. I'm not a position by no,
Speaker 1: by no means at all. But this is someone in
Speaker 1: an in an ambulance. We're being rushed in the hospital
Speaker 1: to save my life. So whatever they need, need it
Speaker 1: for that male, that's what you have to grab in
Speaker 1: order to take care of whatever he needs to take
Speaker 1: care of. And as far as documentation is concerned, I
Speaker 1: think that those type of things should be corrected. If
Speaker 1: you got a skeletful body from an airplane, you want
Speaker 1: to know this is a male and this is a female. Again,
Speaker 1: to each us own and that's their opinion and that's
Speaker 1: what makes them happy. And I'm fine with all of that,
Speaker 1: and I'm not against it, but in my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, just like I always and
Speaker 1: steal in my nieces and nephew to call me awful buddy,
Speaker 1: which is what they do despite how I look. So
Speaker 1: that's my opinion on all of that. And this is
Speaker 1: coming from my trans sister. She also did the background
Speaker 1: you know, she did, and and and and here we
Speaker 1: clearly fontage advantage is plo trans sist. She's pro for
Speaker 1: the girls. If you follow her page fontage you lettle more,
Speaker 1: you'll see she always speaks very highly of our trans
Speaker 1: sisters and brothers. This is not a tear down. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. We are so ignorant to the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not confusing to me. But I want to learn
Speaker 1: more about it. So we're having a conversation so that
Speaker 1: we can all learn more about it. Because so somebody
Speaker 1: on here who's on the outside looking in, will know.
Speaker 1: Oh now, I understand if ever this scenario, you know,
Speaker 1: shows up in your life. That's all I'm saying, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I can understand where people on the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: where it can be confusing because me as a trans
Speaker 1: woman of color, it's a little confusing to me when
Speaker 1: I heard the story. But I still, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I agree with how they want to feel about it.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, documentation, in my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: I feel should be corrected to the actual born gender.
Speaker 1: M m. Well, and that's an interesting piece too, I
Speaker 1: will say that as well, because Baby's Aim was born,
Speaker 1: that's the name of their child, and they actually are
Speaker 1: identifying the baby as a her. And that was part
Speaker 1: of the conversation that they had that why did you
Speaker 1: choose to give the baby, you know, a gender identity
Speaker 1: considering what your experience was, And they basically said, well,
Speaker 1: that was what she was born as, so we're going
Speaker 1: to call her she for now. But if later on
Speaker 1: in life she makes a decision that she wants to
Speaker 1: be trans or whatever, you know, she may identify as that,
Speaker 1: they were going to honor that. But I thought that
Speaker 1: was interesting too, is that despite their experience, they decided
Speaker 1: to give the baby, you know, gender assignment at birth.
Speaker 1: She was one with a vagina, yes, so the baby
Speaker 1: is a girl. She's definitely a little girl. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I didn't pass by algy
Speaker 1: with nothing but to see. But I know that flats
Speaker 1: don't look like sticks. Now, I know that flats don't
Speaker 1: look like sticks. Period. We love your you gotta finish
Speaker 1: your girl back. See, And this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: This is we are we are trans people, which to
Speaker 1: tell you that so and we are you know, trans
Speaker 1: we're trying to I love what you're saying. I never
Speaker 1: thought about that. I thought that was great to say
Speaker 1: that if it was said as transparent, trans father trans
Speaker 1: at least it will be kind of self explanatory if
Speaker 1: something ever happened like mathemetically or physical. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty good. Uh. You know, only
Speaker 1: one thing I want to come in on the Michelle said, Flame, Uh,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember this because she was talking about how
Speaker 1: there really wasn't the whole trans thing until the seventies eighties. Flame.
Speaker 1: You'll remember miss uh I forget her name. I want
Speaker 1: to say Tula was that her name? Flame? Remember? She
Speaker 1: was gorgeous. And this is Phil Donnau flaming our old
Speaker 1: heads when it comes to like the talk shows, and
Speaker 1: we both one of the reasons Flaming I connected the
Speaker 1: media is because we both loved Phil Dontague and we
Speaker 1: we That's just one of the many things we had
Speaker 1: in common. And I will never forget Phil Donna. You
Speaker 1: had a woman on the show named Flaming You gotta
Speaker 1: help Me and see the Tool or Tulula or something
Speaker 1: like it, and she was a James Bond girl. She
Speaker 1: was she was. It was so yeah. They the sisters
Speaker 1: have been out there for a while and we and
Speaker 1: we had a we had a model that was for
Speaker 1: Everny magazine or Vogue, a black woman, Tracy, Tracy somebody another.
Speaker 1: She was the first black trends and somebody out at
Speaker 1: her see because you could live there. So the titles
Speaker 1: and labels all and that you're all, but don't here,
Speaker 1: it's not new. You're making up new names. But the
Speaker 1: situations have been the same for hundreds of years, and
Speaker 1: just giving it new labels and new titles. Then y'all
Speaker 1: hear my song, ain't no labels to this, hec we
Speaker 1: ain't no labels. Take removed the labels and understand that
Speaker 1: you live in the country and we live in the world.
Speaker 1: For the most part. If you live in the free
Speaker 1: parts of the world that you can as long as
Speaker 1: you have the Tennessee and the due diligen and do
Speaker 1: due diligence and the wherewithal you can live whatever life
Speaker 1: you choose or identify as respectfully. But you don't have
Speaker 1: to walk around and broadcasting because I don't think that
Speaker 1: you can have it both ways. Imagine Miles, who is
Speaker 1: exceptionally convincing. We're using him walking around telling everybody I'm
Speaker 1: a woman. I'm a woman. I'm a woman who would
Speaker 1: understand that, so I get the identity thing, but that
Speaker 1: I'm just on the page of the birth CERTivity because
Speaker 1: it's going to read male. And later in life it's
Speaker 1: somebody who is ignorant to the fact that there's something
Speaker 1: happens to the baby. And my own shows up and
Speaker 1: saying I'm the baby's father and woo woo. And then
Speaker 1: we need some blood because your blood would show that
Speaker 1: you're male or female because the blood don't change. You
Speaker 1: can change all the exterior, but the blood don't change. Well,
Speaker 1: we need blood from the kid's mom. Well, I am
Speaker 1: the kid, do you know? Do you come out and
Speaker 1: say I'm the kid's mom. After walking around the whole time,
Speaker 1: saying I'm the kid's father. That that's the scenario I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. That's all I do want to interject really quickly,
Speaker 1: since we're having this topic around, you know, trans of
Speaker 1: the trans community and its Black History Month, we would
Speaker 1: be remissed if we didn't acknowledge Miss Marsha P. Johnson,
Speaker 1: who started this movement, the trans movement. So I think
Speaker 1: we would be remissed if we didn't acknowledge her and
Speaker 1: thank her for all of her accomplishments of what she did.
Speaker 1: Very one of the first very she's like, Marcia is
Speaker 1: like the personification of New York to our New York
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters are there, They're they're very uh, yes,
Speaker 1: they're they're active. Yes, it was very nice of you
Speaker 1: to say they're active. This was this was what late sixties,
Speaker 1: early seventies, and Mansha P. Johnson was not the most
Speaker 1: convincing train. She looked not at all. When I my
Speaker 1: joke when I said she looked like Herbert with a
Speaker 1: wig on, Marsha P. Johnson made she rest in peace
Speaker 1: for all that she did. She did look like she
Speaker 1: was Malcolm, but she stood in her conviction and believed
Speaker 1: who she was On everything, And this is a lot
Speaker 1: of what it is. You got to believe and know
Speaker 1: who you are, what is looking back at you in
Speaker 1: the mirror when you look back at the mirror. We
Speaker 1: say this all the time. You have to come to
Speaker 1: love long. Come on, I told you she's the fruit
Speaker 1: flash he actually remember the training I growing around, growing
Speaker 1: up around gay people all my life. And you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, everybody should have a gay best friends.
Speaker 1: You're just your life's not complete unless you have one.
Speaker 1: So no, no, but but but if flame is gonna
Speaker 1: be the way you got the best friend, a mother,
Speaker 1: a bodyguard all of the time into one. So you know,
Speaker 1: because flameball throwing with hand jewelry, just let me know,
Speaker 1: so you know, yes, we supported supported in the garage
Speaker 1: right there, just in case Lorna Kim'll get out of hand. Look, uh, Nickolas,
Speaker 1: amazon this page before you threatening. She stole your tab,
Speaker 1: the will on your table. You don't even know it's gone, look, Nicholas.
Speaker 1: So so let me tell y'all God on the truth.
Speaker 1: So when Nick and I first discussed this topic, Nick
Speaker 1: thought that I was on a campaign to bade or
Speaker 1: not be nice. So Nick and I actually had not words,
Speaker 1: but I disagreement, I'm and I'm telling the truth nickcause
Speaker 1: because this is our page, it's what we do. Because
Speaker 1: Nick was like, well, I don't want you to attack
Speaker 1: because I was never on the attack. And so yesterday
Speaker 1: Nick and I talked about it and I told Nick
Speaker 1: that I see it, and because I watched what you
Speaker 1: sent me and I see it. But I'm when Lauren
Speaker 1: brought up the point about the trans father or trans mother, Nick,
Speaker 1: we keep fighting for rights. Don't you think that that
Speaker 1: will be fair? Because like we were talking about, when
Speaker 1: they want to have all the wrestling stuff and all
Speaker 1: the sports where they put the trans women against the
Speaker 1: regular women, to transmit against them straighting we should create that.
Speaker 1: So should they start birth certificates that say Transmian and
Speaker 1: transmil Transmaril and tell them about our disagreement Nicholas about
Speaker 1: the whole subject. Please, we Flame and I disagree on
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but we're always talking through what
Speaker 1: Flame always does with me, and I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why we're as close as we are.
Speaker 1: Flame will always we can always talk it out. Like
Speaker 1: I've never been in the space where I felt judged
Speaker 1: by Flame is gonna say with Flame got to say,
Speaker 1: and I think Flame in a lot of ways, it's
Speaker 1: like my mother. Uh they my mother and Flame, they
Speaker 1: walk in they after they get through boxing your head
Speaker 1: against while they're like you, okay, baby, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: it hurt you, like you're hungry, You're like what you
Speaker 1: uh so, so that's what it was. But yeah, we
Speaker 1: had disagreed because I immediately I think I'll walk into
Speaker 1: things with with the guard up an emotional You can't
Speaker 1: do that, blah blah blah blah blah. And Flame was like,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm doing. Calm down, bring it down.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, as a parent who lives this
Speaker 1: life and walks in this body, let me tell you
Speaker 1: about my experience, and this is what I fear. And
Speaker 1: so Flame we talked about it through the weekend and
Speaker 1: then yesterday we literally was like we had to come
Speaker 1: to Jesus moments, you know. And uh and and one
Speaker 1: of the things I think that it is most important
Speaker 1: about this Flame, and this is why I continue to
Speaker 1: be excited about laugh and learn, is that when you,
Speaker 1: Lauren and I have our conversations about what we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about, we always make it so that we can
Speaker 1: include the play mats, because we really do have some
Speaker 1: of the most informed, engaged, intelligent people. Debbie's comments, Barbara's
Speaker 1: comment earlier in Boston. Everybody brought something to the table,
Speaker 1: and we all have questions. I don't think it's wrong
Speaker 1: to sit there and saying, you know, the world is changing,
Speaker 1: so we've got to find a way for everyone to
Speaker 1: have access to the same rights and and and same
Speaker 1: opportunity systems. And so I think that we're all still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what that means. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I'm at a space where you know, we we
Speaker 1: you touched on it. I don't know that I'm at
Speaker 1: a space where I feel like trans athletes should compete
Speaker 1: with UM athletes born of a different gender. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. But again, fortunately I'm not in a position
Speaker 1: where I have to make that decision. But I think
Speaker 1: it's something that is worthy of a closer examination. As
Speaker 1: far as the birth certificate, and I will just close
Speaker 1: on this, I think my issue with the birth certificate
Speaker 1: was this. I think that the birth certificate, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is less about the parent and more about the child,
Speaker 1: and I felt as though that child should be in
Speaker 1: a situation where that child isn't necessarily outed as having
Speaker 1: a parent who is trans to those who may not
Speaker 1: need to need to know that information. I would want
Speaker 1: that birth certificate to simply say mom dad And if
Speaker 1: that's how my mom dad presented when they came to
Speaker 1: pick me up from the school or took me for
Speaker 1: my exam, that's what I would rather instead of having
Speaker 1: a situation where now I've turned in my birth certificate
Speaker 1: for to play football or wrestle like I did, and now, well,
Speaker 1: way meant, why does it say trans what kind of
Speaker 1: parents you got? Kids are? When I was growing up,
Speaker 1: kids were, they ain't changed, they still meaning ship. So
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I feel like that anonymity
Speaker 1: should be affording to the child at all costs until
Speaker 1: that child is old enough. Like flames, kids who sit
Speaker 1: there and say, oh, I know you ain't got nothing here,
Speaker 1: but hold up what you know, because that that's her.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying. Everyone is not
Speaker 1: going to be as comfortable I feel as as Flame is,
Speaker 1: and and that that's that's just where I am with that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I'll say this in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: I've always said this Flame is an anomaly in the transport.
Speaker 1: That's how I so. But I think that's also to
Speaker 1: why this discussion was so warranted, because I was curious
Speaker 1: to see if the Flame's opinion was going to be
Speaker 1: different from other people. And I also to just want
Speaker 1: to reiterate because Nick, I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: able to see this part, but Precious and I actually
Speaker 1: had a dialogue, We had an exchange. I reached out
Speaker 1: to her to see if she and Miles wanted to
Speaker 1: come on the show. Schedules didn't line up, but she
Speaker 1: still wants to come on the show and share their story,
Speaker 1: which I think could be a great conversation in general,
Speaker 1: especially with the two different experiences and perspectives from Flame
Speaker 1: and them as well. Again, because you said it, but
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we reiterate we love and
Speaker 1: celebrate what this What this den anybody's experience? I think
Speaker 1: that they have some. They have beautiful black love. I
Speaker 1: even saw pressure this um episode on Say Yes to
Speaker 1: the Dress when she was getting married to Miles, So
Speaker 1: I think we're not denying anybody's experience or saying anything
Speaker 1: negative about it. It's just an exchange of information because
Speaker 1: we need to learn more and we need to have
Speaker 1: these open forms and conversations so that it brings down
Speaker 1: the wall of stigma so people have better understanding and
Speaker 1: less ignorance in their life. That's what I said it
Speaker 1: before and I'll say this again. And I know we
Speaker 1: got to wrap up, but I just witched more people
Speaker 1: knew the amazing father you are. And that because I
Speaker 1: grew up, I grew up in the house of many,
Speaker 1: I never I never questioned my mother's love. I never
Speaker 1: questioned that I was supported. I was encouraged to do everything.
Speaker 1: I've watched you when they switched from ballet, Oh she
Speaker 1: want she's still doing ballet and she's done with that.
Speaker 1: Well doing that now, she's done with that too. And
Speaker 1: I remember going through clarinet, no clarinet, wrestling, football, that
Speaker 1: just having a parent always in your corner, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: and that is what is most important. And because those
Speaker 1: for those two people, that couple is trans they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of experiences that they grew up being
Speaker 1: turning identifying with who they are. So they're gonna teach
Speaker 1: this kid a lot of lawyer love. They're gonna show
Speaker 1: this kid a lot of people are different. But you
Speaker 1: still love people from whom they are, So that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the beautiful part of it. Was never a dispute,
Speaker 1: But this conversation will help somebody, because somebody who's watching
Speaker 1: this show today will go and tell their police officer husband,
Speaker 1: or or their judge wife, or their son who's on
Speaker 1: the basketball team who's harassing somebody else that people are different,
Speaker 1: and they will help them to understand that just because
Speaker 1: we're having a conversation about it, so we won't walk
Speaker 1: into another pregnant man and nobody believes it because you'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh my mom told me. They was watching,
Speaker 1: uh laugh and learn, and they explained that they really
Speaker 1: can happen, because it really can happen. Now, Michelle, that
Speaker 1: ship you said about women can have babies, I understand.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my back. I haven't got that.
Speaker 1: I ain't doing nothing, had no baby. I'm doing the
Speaker 1: front part of the backpot. We're gonna be that. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And may I just say too, because people
Speaker 1: were in here last week when you were fantastic. I
Speaker 1: really should check that out and then go to just
Speaker 1: type in my name because they made videos about me,
Speaker 1: tear me apart. It's hilarious. Listen, it's people doing some
Speaker 1: cloud chasing crap and it just it screams desperation. But
Speaker 1: it's a good key if you want to go laugh. Lauren,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I said to play, who has the time?
Speaker 1: We have to schedule time just to do this? Who
Speaker 1: has the time to do a show based on what
Speaker 1: somebody else is doing and then talk about it in pull?
Speaker 1: I'm like, who are you? That's a lot of effort.
Speaker 1: Sounded like he was having an asthma attacked the whole time.
Speaker 1: I was more so concerned about health. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you heard me? What? Oh? That was funny looking I wanted.
Speaker 1: I like to see him. You weren't last time you
Speaker 1: had some without thirty dollars. And in fact, when you're
Speaker 1: gonna drop them two kids, you care? Now you're gonna
Speaker 1: pregnant me in the one that made the video about me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a biological man, but that nigga damn shook preign
Speaker 1: what I said, I gotta see it. I don't want
Speaker 1: you to build up his subscribers, so don't go watch it.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna say the person Tonight Love Tonight between
Speaker 1: six thirty and seven I want you guys to join
Speaker 1: me and next Sunday, We're doing laughing next Sunday because
Speaker 1: the schedule changing. Guests who are gonna be in studio
Speaker 1: next Sunday, y'all tell him Nick Smith News will be
Speaker 1: in the studio next Sunday. Nick will be sitting back here.
Speaker 1: Keep a secret about that contract Friday anyway, So Nick
Speaker 1: will be here and our very special guest who has
Speaker 1: a new show coming on because this this is my
Speaker 1: you know, I'm this is my sister. We are in
Speaker 1: this together and I'm so proud of TuS Madison. She
Speaker 1: will be joining us next Sunday for a very special
Speaker 1: laugh and learned she has a new show coming out
Speaker 1: on the we TV network called The TuS Madison Experience.
Speaker 1: It airs March fourth at seven pm Pacific setord time,
Speaker 1: ten pm East Coast time, and we want you guys
Speaker 1: to watch it. Me and Maddie and Lauren and Nick
Speaker 1: gonna go forward. I don't even know if they're gonna
Speaker 1: get it worthy in because too loud as trandys talk
Speaker 1: y'all might not get a chance to say ship. So
Speaker 1: please be here for the conversation. It's going to be great.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that the Maddie mar will be here in
Speaker 1: the flame mats and we're gonna What you do in
Speaker 1: this business is you share your fans. You share your
Speaker 1: people because other people reach out to other people and
Speaker 1: then other people and a closed fist does work. Lauren,
Speaker 1: nothing go out that she'll getting on Amens, it goes out. You.
Speaker 1: You got to share your fans, You got to share
Speaker 1: your life because there is no one number one person.
Speaker 1: There is five million number one persons if you see that.
Speaker 1: Plus we do different things and we' still girlfriends. So
Speaker 1: y'all be here with us next week, cause big Maddie
Speaker 1: coming on giving it to y'all, were gonna give it
Speaker 1: to you in the row. I'm gonna say we can
Speaker 1: show the most titties on Maddie and Nick. What should
Speaker 1: we just say? And what is the purpose of laugh?
Speaker 1: And learn? Always? Always always. We are not trying to
Speaker 1: get anybody to change their minds. We're just trying to
Speaker 1: get you guys to use your mind. But you gotta
Speaker 1: have one every where to do it because somebody'all ain't
Speaker 1: got When y'all down the vote for Ted Cruise all
Speaker 1: that dumb ship who any who you can follow Nick
Speaker 1: Smith at Nick Smith News on YouTube or on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Those are hit on on on Twitter one word Nick
Speaker 1: Smith News. Some of y'all slow? How you smell Smith?
Speaker 1: How do you spell with an eye not with a y?
Speaker 1: With any Nick Smith News, you can follow Lauren Hogan
Speaker 1: at Lauren Hogan on YouTube, Lauren Armandi h on Instagram
Speaker 1: and or Facebook. See I'm I'm professor today role at
Speaker 1: Marcus Flaming Rod Parker on Facebook, Monroe Flame on Instagram,
Speaker 1: which is but y'all want to catch me? I love
Speaker 1: now snight because we're gonna be on fire. Uh well,
Speaker 1: I got Twitter Flame underscore my role and YouTube flame
Speaker 1: my role. We appreciate you guys, listen, laugh and learn.
Speaker 1: Would not be a shore without the flame mans, the
Speaker 1: fire crackers, the vowel chads, the value. We got plenty names.
Speaker 1: Holy y'all, oh YaST appreciate you and please follow Miles Davis, Yes,
Speaker 1: h Miles Brodie, Miles Brady Davis excuse me, as well
Speaker 1: as precious Brady Davis on Instagram. We actually ended up
Speaker 1: following each other and then this topic came up, so
Speaker 1: fow them if you have questions that we can't answer,
Speaker 1: asked him respectfully. Please for nobody, don't be something some
Speaker 1: flames sent us here and you're going over there with
Speaker 1: that dumb ship. If you don't use my name, use
Speaker 1: my name respectfully. Put respect Oh my goddamn exactly. Thank
Speaker 1: you to all who have weighed in today to read
Speaker 1: the Griffins by Tasion Lamarty followed them through rescript and
Speaker 1: great recording artists and my friend we do show us
Speaker 1: together and she's a wonderful singer. Uh, Michelle over in London. Um,
Speaker 1: Bobby Clifford, who's in Boston. Clifford, Yeah, we're gonna back
Speaker 1: to house. I'm taking Bobby Clifford to dinner to my
Speaker 1: sister's restaurant. Next time at the Boston. So. I love
Speaker 1: that you look and you're trying to smash the whitely white.
Speaker 1: You know what, you're mine. Thank you, you're to me.
Speaker 1: She paid me ten dollars every day. She allus to
Speaker 1: a million. Whish you get to a million? Girl? You all,
Speaker 1: I'm all you come get it. Come on, Bobby, we
Speaker 1: will see you guys. Were Thank you so much coming
Speaker 1: bye