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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with dreaming. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four

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Speaker 1: twenty six, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. So you've set it

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Speaker 1: off to the MJ and it's repeating this isn't fantasy football,

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Speaker 1: Sir Bird Gango ahead, dream about at DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: AJ Green Trio, but don't expect the dream to become

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Speaker 1: a reality. The situation is that clearly he wants out

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Speaker 1: of there. They made a decision to where you know,

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Speaker 1: they drafted Kylie Pitts with a fourth overall pick. They

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Speaker 1: earlier that Julio made some comments that maybe Ryan doesn't

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Speaker 1: the compensation. I mean, I don't think he's going to

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Speaker 1: So it's more to just making the trade. There's got

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Speaker 1: But adding a guy like Julio man and the reason

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Speaker 1: and yes, every little bit helps. Yet it's just you

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Speaker 1: always talk about positional spending. Well, you've got Hopkins, You've

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Speaker 1: if he does, especially get off to a good start

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Speaker 1: and this team is winning, I can certainly see Collins

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Speaker 1: up there amongst the other rookies as far as being

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Speaker 1: that defensive rookie of the year. Yeah, I think Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 1: if he's gonna man that middle linebacker spot, um that clearly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is he gonna play every snap, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: play the majority of the snaps. Phillips in Miami the

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Speaker 1: more of a rotation guy, but he's a guy that

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Speaker 1: can do a couple of different things. Quitty Pay Quitty

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Speaker 1: Pay is a guy that you know, probably a rotation,

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Speaker 1: but you look at this A big fan of Quitty

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Speaker 1: Pay Riley. Anyways, you look at um jam and Davis,

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Speaker 1: that guy looks like LaVar Arrington does. Yeah, fills out

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Speaker 1: the uniform. Yeah, and they got and they got that

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Speaker 1: front four. So you got to think he's going to

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Speaker 1: be a scraper. He's gonna be at you know, if

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Speaker 1: they can get pressure up front with those high draft picks,

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Speaker 1: including Chase Young and you know, Ryan Carrigan. I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: they let him go into the division, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: really think you look at Davis, he's going to get

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Speaker 1: a lot of playing time. And one thing I think

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Speaker 1: when we look at Zaven Collins is that he should

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Speaker 1: fill up the stat sheet. Four or five tackles, hopefully

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Speaker 1: a couple of tackle for losses, maybe a couple passes

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Speaker 1: defense if they try to throw over him. So stats wise,

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Speaker 1: he's but you know, ultimately it's a team game and

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Speaker 1: you want to get to win. But I do think

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Speaker 1: he could be one of the top three or a

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Speaker 1: guy three or four guys when it comes to actual stats, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the man that he's penciled in

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Speaker 1: or put an ink to replace. Jordan Hicks had one

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Speaker 1: hundred plus tackles each of his first two seasons as

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Speaker 1: a MIC linebacker, so it wouldn't be out of the

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Speaker 1: question to have Zaven Collins put up some numbers at

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Speaker 1: that spot. And yeah, Collins and that entire twenty one

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Speaker 1: draft class is going to be a major focal points

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Speaker 1: and focus of the next episode of Flight Plan episode

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Speaker 1: two titled First Class. It debuts on May twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: and Bird Gang. Depending on when you're to listen to

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two could already be up

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Speaker 1: and available. Just go to the Cardinals official YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash as Cardinals. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: back to what Drew Grigson on The Big Red Rage

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Speaker 1: had to say about some of the other players and

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Speaker 1: Zavan Collins's draft class. And let's go with the Day

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Speaker 1: two pick rondel Moore, who we all anticipate to be

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Speaker 1: one excellent on special teams and then maybe find his

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Speaker 1: way into the offense, maybe even sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: But the speed of a rondel Moore, we know what

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Speaker 1: he ran at his pro day at four two nine forty.

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Speaker 1: But now you put him in I wouldn't say a

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Speaker 1: uniform during rookie minicamp, but get him in a helmet,

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Speaker 1: you know, a uniform top and some shorts, and you

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Speaker 1: put him out there amongst his peers. And according to Grigson,

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Speaker 1: this kid teleports. He doesn't just change direction. And then

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Speaker 1: Grigson said he overheard a defensive coach say, quote, this

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Speaker 1: kid looks quick and slow motion end quote. So there

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Speaker 1: you get the elements, and it's not just speed running

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Speaker 1: north south in a straight line. I think what we're

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Speaker 1: going to see and what we hope to see, is

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Speaker 1: that jitterbug that Kingsbury used to describe rondel Moore when

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Speaker 1: you get them all in space or there's a defender

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Speaker 1: in his way. It's the lateral movement. It's running east west,

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Speaker 1: it's dodging tacklers, it's making tacklers miss, which he did

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Speaker 1: great in twenty eighteen. And the ability to get yards

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Speaker 1: after catch, yards after contact is what I think the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals really hope separates rondel Moore from an Andy as

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Speaker 1: a bellow or maybe even a Christian Kirk down the road.

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Speaker 1: First impressions, he's put together really well I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know that people are going to mention his size, but

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Speaker 1: like I said, he's six foot three linebackers, and some

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Speaker 1: of these six foot one cornerbacks, I mean, sometimes you

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Speaker 1: gotta go a little bit, you gotta get a little

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Speaker 1: little bit lowered. So yeah, I'm fascinating how they're going

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Speaker 1: to use them. And you see his lower extremities and

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Speaker 1: body and his calves and his thighs where he could

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Speaker 1: see he's so fast when he turns his hips to

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Speaker 1: go up the field. So yeah, I'm really excited about him.

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Speaker 1: And we've we've kind of focused on, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: better with the team as a whole, on special teams,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna have a big role, but

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Speaker 1: I also think he's going to be part of the rotation.

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Speaker 1: He could be the third or fourth receivers. He's going

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Speaker 1: to dress every week as long as he's healthy. And

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Speaker 1: I like his attitude because the second time we had

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Speaker 1: a chance to hear from him, yeah, day two pick.

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Speaker 1: He didn't go in the first round. We chronicled how

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Speaker 1: he worked out later that night after the first round.

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Speaker 1: Great story by Kyle Odegard on Easy Cardinals dot com.

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Speaker 1: But according to more quote in my head, I'm a

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Speaker 1: first round talent regardless of the circumstances. That's how all

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Speaker 1: continue to think end quotes. And this kid, you talk

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Speaker 1: about a chip on someone's shoulder, it's it's not a chip,

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Speaker 1: it's a giant boulder, if you will, Because he's always

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Speaker 1: had to have someone say something about his height, his weight,

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Speaker 1: and you just can't succeed, whether that's high school, college

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Speaker 1: or now at the NFL level. So you know, he's

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Speaker 1: looking to prove everyone wrong and prove the Cardinals rights.

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Speaker 1: And he's very appreciative that the Cardinals did take a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote chance, if you will, maybe from the outside,

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Speaker 1: not from Moors perspective, but that they invested a second

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Speaker 1: round pick in someone that they've said publicly needs to

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Speaker 1: play early and often I'd like to pick. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, we are all looking at corner

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Speaker 1: and clearly they zero than on Xavi and Collins. We

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Speaker 1: didn't really pick on it till about two weeks before

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Speaker 1: the draft, but you know, and then so you go

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Speaker 1: with the best available player in their book, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, if aj Asante Samuel Junior was there, he

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Speaker 1: went two picks earlier to the Chargers and that's how

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Speaker 1: it works. So they stuck with their board and they

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Speaker 1: had him ring very high. He was, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: the top three receivers between Smith, Jamar Chase and then

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Speaker 1: you throw in Wattle. There was a little bit of

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Speaker 1: drop off, but the fact that the Cardinals, I think

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Speaker 1: Dan Brugler had him rinked as his fiftieth overall player

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals got him at forty nine. And that's

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Speaker 1: someone that should contribute. And I think, yeah, on special teams,

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Speaker 1: because that's one area that you can make an immediate impact,

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Speaker 1: and someone who has the experience. You're not asking him

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Speaker 1: to do something he doesn't already have the experience to do.

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Speaker 1: He returned kicks, he returned punts at Purdue and was

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Speaker 1: very very good at it, especially in twenty eighteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's the difference when you draft Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray and take Byron Murphy at thirty three. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: Andy Isabelle has been a disappointment at sixty two, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just glad they drafted Byron Murphy knowing

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Speaker 1: that Patrick's contract was going to expire. They were hoping

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Speaker 1: to Alford would be able to stay healthy. But you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what you got to get from your first round

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Speaker 1: picks and second round picks and sometimes a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: but this year they didn't have one. They moved up

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Speaker 1: to get a corner and so that obviously helped them

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Speaker 1: out to subtle things down there besides their top three guys.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Steve would be the first to admit,

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Speaker 1: you got to hit on these first, second, and a third.

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Speaker 1: But then you build your roster with rounds four through seven.

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Speaker 1: Those are your undrafted free agents. Those are the guys

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Speaker 1: who are going to be on teams and are not

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Speaker 1: going to cost you a lot of money. But you've

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Speaker 1: got to hit on these first three rounds. And again,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have a third round pick this year. And again,

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Speaker 1: as we talk about this draft class, it's important to

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Speaker 1: remember the disclaimer from Drew Grigson. We don't know anything

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Speaker 1: until those guys pad up. And it's going to be

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Speaker 1: fascinating to watch Ron del Moore, not only in pads,

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Speaker 1: but just lining up opposite perhaps a Byron Murphy or

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Speaker 1: maybe even a Malcolm Butler. You know, how does he

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Speaker 1: get off the line of scrimmage or when he is

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Speaker 1: fielding kicks, whether it's kickoffs or punt return So it

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Speaker 1: does seem to be again something to pay attention to.

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Speaker 1: But what we're all looking at right now is what

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Speaker 1: we're hearing and what we're seeing, and that's what we're

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Speaker 1: basing off a lot of these conversations here in the

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Speaker 1: off season, just because there's certainly a limited amount of

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Speaker 1: information that we get our own selves. A couple of

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Speaker 1: other players that Grigson was asked about and discussed, and

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Speaker 1: Victor d mccagee, the outside linebacker out of Duke four

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Speaker 1: years daughter, certainly is wearing a number that Bertram Berry

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Speaker 1: is very proud of, and that's number ninety two. But

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Speaker 1: according to Grigson, Victor all business and called him a

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Speaker 1: hard charging ball of muscle. So if he can find

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Speaker 1: a role again, probably more so on special teams, but

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Speaker 1: then perhaps get into that our rotation because you know

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Marcus Golden, and then you know Devon Kinnard,

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Speaker 1: what is his role, Dennis Gardeck, what's his health status?

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Speaker 1: There is room, there is an opportunity there. Perhaps I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many snaps. I don't think it would

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Speaker 1: be a lot. Behind those names you've got Kylie Fitz

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Speaker 1: you've got Reggie Walker, there's some experience there. It's it's

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Speaker 1: just you're looking for depth, and you hope Chandler Jones

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Speaker 1: never comes off the field and Marcus Golden does play

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the snaps, but you do need

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Speaker 1: guys in the event something happens or you're looking to

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Speaker 1: give someone a blow and have them get some rest

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines. Yeah, I mean, I he looks the

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Speaker 1: part in the fact that he played four years at

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Speaker 1: Duke that goes a long way, and just you know

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Speaker 1: football IQ and just smarts, you know. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a role. You know, we'll see

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Speaker 1: on special teams. But you know, the fact is, you know,

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Speaker 1: to me, he's a guy that we can maybe plug

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Speaker 1: in as a starter in the future. That's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the goal down the road. Marcus is under contract two years,

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Speaker 1: Chandler's on the final year of his contract. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Kylie Pits, He's on a contract and wait, think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe a one year deal. And then you know you

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Speaker 1: got Zeke Turner inside. So yeah, I mean, I do

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Speaker 1: think it's it's more of a a future pick. But

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Speaker 1: if he has to play, the fact that he's got

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Speaker 1: a ton of starts and he's a smart guy. You

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Speaker 1: just hope there's not a huge drop off when he's

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Speaker 1: in there. It is a lofty expectation for a sixth

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Speaker 1: round pick to be that daughter, but who knows. He

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Speaker 1: did average eight sacks his last two seasons at Duke.

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Speaker 1: The other player Grigson talked about Marco Wilson, and this

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Speaker 1: is someone that I know that the Cardinals hope hits, because, yeah,

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Speaker 1: even though he was a Day three pick, he was

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Speaker 1: a fourth round selection, someone the Cardinals liked enough to

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Speaker 1: go up into the draft and trade with the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens and select with one hundred and thirty sixth overall pick,

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Speaker 1: six feet one hundred ninety one pounds. But it's the experience,

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Speaker 1: according to Grigson, that Wilson got in the SEC that

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Speaker 1: will help Marco Wilson and that transition because in the SEC,

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Speaker 1: you're going up against pro players weekend and week out.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of these players that he'll he'll match

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Speaker 1: up with on Sundays, he matched up with on Saturdays. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you just take a look at who's been drafted over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years between like Jerry Judy and

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00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and O Lamb played in a different conference,

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Speaker 1: and then this year between Jalen Waddle, Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 1: then he's throwing Davante Smith. Yeah, I mean that there's

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Speaker 1: no better conference than playing and you look at the

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Speaker 1: draft when it's all said and done, they have the

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Speaker 1: most players drafted, and maybe sometimes the accor or the

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Speaker 1: Big ten because of a lineman and you know, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I watched a couple of highlights

644
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Speaker 1: when when the Cardinals picked him and he was going

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Speaker 1: against Waddle and he had a pass breakup in the

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Speaker 1: end zone. Don't know Waddle's numbers throughout that game, and

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's got some versatility where he can

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00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: play inside and outside. But again, I think competition it's

649
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: a little different here. You got to have better quarterbacks

650
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, maybe you don't have

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Speaker 1: two really good corners, where in the NFL you want

652
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: to have at least two or three. So it's gonna

653
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: be a little bit different than in the NFL. You

654
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: gotta have two or three wide receivers, so be a

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Speaker 1: little bit different. But the fact that he went against

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Speaker 1: the guys that were high draft picks in the last

657
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: couple of years. That makes sense that you know the

658
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: conference will help him. Overall, started thirty five of thirty

659
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: six games and was a starter as a true freshman,

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Speaker 1: which is unheard of, especially at a school like Florida.

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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: But you go back to his pro day and what

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00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: he showed running a four three seven forty three and

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Speaker 1: a half vertical even though he out jumped the VerTech

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Speaker 1: and that was a day in which everyone came to

665
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: see Kyle Trask, Kyle Pitts, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: here's Marco Wilson doing what he did, as far as

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Speaker 1: you know, setting the bar high for expectations. And I

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00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: do think that if you want to include a Marco

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Speaker 1: Wilson with Ron del Moore and Zavan Collins as far

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Speaker 1: as draft picks that you hope to see play, maybe

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00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: even in that first month or first couple of games,

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00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: I do think that's the expectation that the Cardinals. Whether

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00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: it's realistic or not, I don't know. We'll get a

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00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: better idea once training camp hits. But because of what

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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks room looks like at the moment, with not

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Speaker 1: a lot of depth, especially not a lot of experienced

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00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: depth outside Butler and Robert Alford, there could be a

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00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: way from Marco Wilson to get some defensive snaps relatively

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00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: early in the season. Yeah, and you look at Tay Gowan.

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00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean it all depends how many safeties they keep.

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Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, I mean usually, but I would say,

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00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm in agreement with you, I still

683
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to bring in some veteran corners.

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Speaker 1: It could be the week of training camp. I think

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Speaker 1: you want to get through year OTAs. Right now, their

686
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: roster they may have an open spot, but that's fluctuate's

687
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: that's fluent. You can always cut a guy and bring

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00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: somebody else in like they did with Wesley. So but

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Speaker 1: I would think on paper, he's he's number four right

690
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: now based off of how the roster sets up. Yeah, Butler,

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00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Alfred Murphy, Wills would be your four as far as

692
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: depth chart. And now perhaps there's some movement and then

693
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Speaker 1: if you don't like what you see this offseason or

694
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: early part of training camp, then yeah, you go out

695
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: and find someone who's still available, because there are there

696
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: are a number of cornerbacks that are on the market

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00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: that have yet to be signed, and everyone points to

698
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, but just even in addition to Richard Sherman,

699
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: the list is very long. And again, if the Cardinals

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00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: are looking for, you know, guys play more zone, which

701
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: you know that's not their forte even though they may

702
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: play a little bit of zone based on their personnel. Yeah,

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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: you need an outside corner. I think you have a

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00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: nice situation if Wilson can play inside and then you

705
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: got Chase Whittaker there, and then you also have Bryan Murphy.

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00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: So I think more outside guys they need right there.

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple of veteran guys out there, and again,

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00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, eighty five to ninety, the rousters always fluid,

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00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: so if they want to make a move, but I

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00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: just think you want to get through your OTAs and

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00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: your mandatory camp and then you kind of reevaluate things

712
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: and try to find out because at this point guys

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00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: probably don't want to come in the training camp if

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Speaker 1: they were a veteran, I get that, or don't want

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Speaker 1: to go to offseason workouts, and then at this point

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Speaker 1: they're really not going to get a ton of money.

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00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be a minimum deal based on being active.

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Speaker 1: On game day, if you hit a certain tackles or

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Speaker 1: sacks or interceptions, that's how you're going to make more incentives.

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Speaker 1: So at this point in time, it's really not about money.

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Speaker 1: It's about fit. Yeah, and there are some guys that

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Speaker 1: might panic a little bit and just want a job.

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Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying, because you know there's

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Speaker 1: still plenty of time. Now. The reverse of that, or

725
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: the the you know, the opposite is, well, don't you

726
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: want to get somewhere so you can learn the playbook,

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Speaker 1: whether that's offense or defense. So you're not behind the

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Speaker 1: eight ball. But I think if you're signing right now,

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Speaker 1: you're already kind of behind the eight ball because you're

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Speaker 1: someone that's I wouldn't say a filler, but you're someone

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Speaker 1: that you know, free agency is coming gone, the draft

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Speaker 1: has coming gone, and all of a sudden, it's like

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Speaker 1: the third parts of the offseason, which is basically you

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Speaker 1: hope on field work, and then if you're still out

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00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: there and available, you know, just what is your value

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Speaker 1: to a specific team. You're probably their case of an emergency.

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Speaker 1: You're you're more of a depth guy, not someone to

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Speaker 1: come in and start right away. I look back at

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Speaker 1: when they brought in Dray Kirkpatrick and also Jonathan Joseph.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you're a veteran corner, it's just

741
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: what is your job? You're playing man press? Do you

742
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: have over the top help? Because I think if Butler

743
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: Rosey assignment, I mean speed guy, he's going to leave

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00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: over the top help. So I think these guys and they,

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00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, usually you've played in different systems. Obviously you

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00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: know Vans has ties to both Kirkpatrick and Jonathan Joseph.

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00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: I know Joseph a little bit long in the tooth,

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00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: but I think if you've played in their systems, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's little tweaks, you know, maybe different calls, terminology, vocabulary,

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Speaker 1: but I think those guys can plug in and play

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Speaker 1: dot com slash game t i X. You mentioned something earlier,

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Speaker 1: MJ about when we were having our discussion about Zaven

771
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Collins and kind of getting lost in the shuffle or overshadowed.

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00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: Is the guy that we all expect to be lined

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Speaker 1: up next to him whenever Time or Kingsbury bring up

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00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: inside linebackers, it's Zaven Collins and Isaiah Simmons. Well. Simmons,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say had an up and down

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00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: first year, but there is an expectation. Again, there's that

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00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: word coming out of the Arizona Cardinals, especially from the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, and this is from defensive coordinator Vance Joseph

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Speaker 1: saw this over the weekend. Jim Trotter, who does an

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Speaker 1: excellent job covering the NFL for the NFL Network, he

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Speaker 1: had a conversation or he was talking about a recent

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Speaker 1: conversation he had with coach Joseph with respects to Simmons, who,

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Speaker 1: according to Joseph via Trotter quote, has to be their

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Speaker 1: fixer in the weekly game plan. He's going to be

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00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: that guy in terms of matchups from week to week

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00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: where they can use him in different positions end quote.

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Speaker 1: So kind of parsing words here. So if you've got

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Speaker 1: Simmons as an inside linebacker, David Collins is an inside lineber,

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00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: that's where he'll stay. But you perhaps see Simmons maybe

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00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: at inside linebacker. But tell me, depending on matchups down addition,

791
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: the opponent that week, he's at inside, he's at outside,

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00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: he's at slot corner, he's playing deep safety. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the stuff we saw a year ago, but now

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00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: with a year under his belt, maybe the coaching staff

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00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: and Simmons more comfortable in doing a little bit more

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Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, I've been preaching this for a

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00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: long time. When it comes to Isaiah Simmons, just give

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Speaker 1: him an entire offseason, and you know, I know these

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00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: guys work out on their own, and you know he's

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Speaker 1: still a young players to kind of learning the position.

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00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: But you give him an offseason, you obviously you want

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00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: to see him get a little stronger. He's very ethletic,

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00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: he's tall. And then at any other side of that,

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00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: it's it's given three preseason games. And when you get

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00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: three preseason games, that's going to help because as a

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00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: speed of the game, it gets a little bit. You

807
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: only can do so much in camp and then you

808
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: get tired of hitting the same guys and you want

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00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: to protect your team going into the season, want to

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00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: make sure they're fresh. But now I'm expecting big things

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Speaker 1: from him, man. And we talk about, you know, Hicks

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00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: getting all those tackles, so somebody's gonna have to get

813
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: some of those tackles. But I like the fact that

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00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: that he's totally different than Colins. He's going to move around.

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Speaker 1: I like to see him rush the passer. I know

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00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: he can. You know, he may cover slot receivers, he

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00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: may have to cover the tight ends down the field,

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Speaker 1: but I've I've been banging that drum. He just needs

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Speaker 1: an offseason because last year it was just a lot

820
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: thrown on his plate and they wanted to slow plan,

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00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: but based on injuries and you know, different sub packages,

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00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: he did get an opportunity. And again we look at

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Speaker 1: that interception and also have sack on Russell Wilson, So

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Speaker 1: I think you can build off of that. I'll point

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Speaker 1: to three part of the season a year ago, three

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Speaker 1: key moments for Isaiah Simmons. One is Week one at

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, without an offseason, without a preseason, the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers targeted the young rookie and exploited the young

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Speaker 1: rookie and then you know, I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: did anything to his confidence, but we didn't see a

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Speaker 1: lot from Simmons after a Week one. Remember that Sunday

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Speaker 1: night football game against the Seahawks at State Farm Stadium.

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Speaker 1: He was only in the field for five snaps, but

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Speaker 1: it was the interception of Russell Wilson that advanced. Joseph

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Speaker 1: Afterwards pointed to and said, that's kind of where things

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00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: started to click. The light bulb went on. And then

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Speaker 1: you look at the second meeting against the Seahawks Week eleven,

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Speaker 1: Simmons had a season high ten tackles, two tackles for loss,

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Speaker 1: and his first career sack, And there was progress being

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Speaker 1: made over those last nine games to where, yeah, if

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00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: you're the coaching staff, you look back at the film

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00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: and say, we know what he's capable of doing, and

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00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: with a year under his belt, to your point, MJ,

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Speaker 1: why not let's do what we set out to do

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Speaker 1: a year ago, but just probably couldn't because they had

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00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: no they didn't have him in the building, they didn't

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Speaker 1: have him on the field, and really at that point,

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Speaker 1: it's unfair to a player to kind of put him

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Speaker 1: out there when he's not ready. Last year, I want

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Speaker 1: to say Marcus Golden, who's one of the better players,

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Speaker 1: being miked up, and he made a plane. He came

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Speaker 1: to the sidelines and he's like, maybe that was a sign.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was Simmons too, that they said I could

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Speaker 1: do this. You know, once you have a little success,

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Speaker 1: then you should have to build off of it. But

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Speaker 1: I'm bullish on Isaiah Simmons. I like to pick and

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Speaker 1: I thought he got better and he's also become a

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Speaker 1: really good special teams player. I mean he can run.

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Speaker 1: He can run like a deer down the sidelines and

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Speaker 1: you know, try to make a tackle. If not pinched

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Speaker 1: a guy to the side lens where somebody else can

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Speaker 1: come up and clean up. So I and Craig one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why he was in the in that

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Speaker 1: game is Jordan was on the sidelines. That's right. There

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Speaker 1: was an issue, and all of a sudden, we saw Simmons,

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Speaker 1: we saw Tanner Vallejo, and all of a sudden, it's like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here, There's an issue, There's something wrong.

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Speaker 1: But both of those players, Simmons and Vallejo stepped up

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Speaker 1: big in that fourth quarter and overtime. Vallejo with the

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Speaker 1: run stuff stuff, and then Russell Wilson obviously didn't receivers

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Speaker 1: didn't have the hot read. In other words, where he's

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Speaker 1: getting pressured, they have to change their route, and that's

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Speaker 1: where Simmons jumped the route. But yeah, Vallejo and Simmons

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Speaker 1: really played a role in that victory against the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Going back to what Jim Trotter had to say on

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network based off his conversation with coach Joseph

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Speaker 1: on Isaiah Simmons, Joseph is expecting quote, a huge improvement

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Speaker 1: from Simmons in year two, and I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: any question we should debate that at all. But Joseph

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Speaker 1: did pass along this nugget to Crotter that Simmons quote

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Speaker 1: was the best rookie defensive player in the league last year.

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Speaker 1: With this caveat if you look at his progress from

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Speaker 1: training camp to the end of the season. So if

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Speaker 1: you book in twenty twenty training camp to the end

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Speaker 1: of week seventeen, in Joseph's mind, the best defensive rookie

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Speaker 1: was Isaiah Simmons based off the improvement, the growth if

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Speaker 1: you will, that Simmons made in year one, and that

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Speaker 1: was without an offseason. Yeah, you know, I could appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: and you could see that how he was training. But

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Speaker 1: I think I think Chase Young had a really good year.

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Speaker 1: Now again, they have other players that its natural position was.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't asked to drop back in the coverage, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't asked to learn three different positions. But you could

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Speaker 1: see the growth and the athleticisms there, the football IQ's there,

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Speaker 1: the passions there. He works hard. He wants to be good,

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Speaker 1: not great. Yeah, so that's encouraging because the last thing

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Speaker 1: you want to say, as well, he took a step back.

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Speaker 1: You have to show progress, and that obviously they see

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Speaker 1: more than we do. Yeah, and it's why that they're

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Speaker 1: so bullish on the fact that you compare these two

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Speaker 1: guys together even though they've got hardly any experience at all.

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Speaker 1: And that's why there is concern at least from my standpoint,

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Speaker 1: as far as why you've got veterans at every other spot,

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Speaker 1: yet at inside linebacker you're relying on two young players.

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Speaker 1: Those we discuss, maybe those veterans kind of uplift lift

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Speaker 1: the young Simmons, young Collins to where everyone's on the

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Speaker 1: same page and there's not a lot of confusion and

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Speaker 1: that year three on the defensive end goes smoothly. You

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Speaker 1: see some production, you see some turnovers, you see some

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Speaker 1: three and outs to help the offense so where they

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Speaker 1: can do what they're supposed to do. Like I said earlier, though,

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Speaker 1: I think with J. J. Watt kind of manning the

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Speaker 1: D line, and then Chandler and Marcus and then obviously

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Speaker 1: Xavin and then I think Malcolm Butler would take more

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Speaker 1: of a leadership role just based on experience. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean these guys are gonna be

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Speaker 1: asked to make play in not three or four yards

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Speaker 1: down the line of scrimmage, because if they're getting to

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Speaker 1: push up front, they should be tackled for losses. We

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Speaker 1: talk about getting that quarterback off a spot, but I

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Speaker 1: do like the layers where they have experienced guys that

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Speaker 1: can help off these young guys. So going back to

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Speaker 1: how we began this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday Proud Partner of the Arizona Cardinals. The expectations, yes,

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Speaker 1: they're high, but the coaching staff, they're the ones that

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Speaker 1: are kind of setting the expectations for Zavian Collins and

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. Now we all have to wait and see,

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Speaker 1: although we will get a glimpse of that in episode

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Speaker 1: two Cardinals Flight Plan titled First Class, which chronicles the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft class. You can watch all episodes

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Speaker 1: of Flight Plan on the Cardinals official YouTube channel YouTube

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Speaker 1: dot com slash a Z Cardinals. And on that note,

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two presented by Hunday Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer, Jim Molmandro

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Speaker 1: For Mike Jarecki and Riley, I'm Praigria Loup. We'll talk

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