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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right

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Speaker 1: with Nick Right, the best takes and moments from this

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Speaker 1: week on the show. Enjoy. Before we even really get

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Speaker 1: into the game, this is a bit of a litmus test.

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Speaker 1: Did you enjoy watching that game? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, hey, you want to call me a casual,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. I like to see some plays on offense.

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Speaker 2: I was a little underwhelmed with the game. I was

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Speaker 2: a little underwhelmed, but I mean, I understand, I understand

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Speaker 2: the great there's great defense being played.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm so, I'm not. I'm not calling you a

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Speaker 1: casual because I so. Here is what your mom got

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Speaker 1: mad at me yesterday because I didn't even realize it.

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Speaker 1: But evidently during the game, when your mom and sister

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Speaker 1: and my mom were commenting that it wasn't a very

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Speaker 1: exciting game, evidently I kept saying, it's professional football, this

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Speaker 1: is great. I didn't even know I was saying that.

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Speaker 1: I just evidently I said it repeat and I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is a great game. And then yesterday I just

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Speaker 1: set off handedly that it was kind of boring, and

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Speaker 1: your mom's like, what are you? You said all throughout

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Speaker 1: the game, how great of the game? It was. And

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Speaker 1: so here's the thing. I can appreciate a low scoring game.

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Speaker 1: I think low scoring games can be great, but it

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Speaker 1: needs to feel more in the balance, like a six

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Speaker 1: to three game where anyone played. To me, it could

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Speaker 1: be captivating. This didn't quite feel like that. It felt

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Speaker 1: like it was one team dominating the other and there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of intrigue in the outcome.

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Speaker 2: Both the defenses were pretty solid, but yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: the New England offense, it was just like they were

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Speaker 2: still playing in the snow. It was pretty.

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Speaker 1: Bad, right, So we will get to all of that.

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Speaker 1: First straight voicemail Bronte by Boost Mobile, Sam Darnold and

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. The third celebrated at Disney one of the

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Speaker 1: most charming American traditions, making our hungover gladiators after the

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Speaker 1: greatest day of their life hang out, you know, at

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Speaker 1: seven in the morning with Mickey Mouse. It'll never make

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Speaker 1: total sense, but it's awesome. So demand nailed the Gatorade

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Speaker 1: bath color. That's a nice plus.

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Speaker 2: Two most receiving yards, but I think Mac Collins screwed

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Speaker 2: me over there at the end.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right, you're right. And then so my

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Speaker 1: favorite Super Bowl commercials. So I have a confession here.

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Speaker 1: I would or plus two seventy five. Great job de

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Speaker 1: Monsey on the color of the gatorade. And I don't

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Speaker 1: want to spend too much time on this, so I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say it quickly. If you'd have asked me

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Speaker 1: right after the Super Bowl what my favorite commercial was,

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Speaker 1: I would have snapped said, it's like man that ring

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Speaker 1: camera about finding lost dogs. I was like, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: And then I get on social media and everyone's like,

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Speaker 1: you living, this is the this is the surveillance state,

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Speaker 1: this is how they take over our lives, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh damn, I was just thinking about lost dogs.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I thought it was a pretty compelling case,

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Speaker 1: like you just put things up on the telephone pole.

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Speaker 1: Now we can find the dog. And then they're like,

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Speaker 1: don't you know anything about how they're gonna use this

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Speaker 1: to enslave us? And I'm like, sweet christ I wasn't

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Speaker 1: to put uh. So I don't know what my favorite

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Speaker 1: all right. I will at some point on today's show

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Speaker 1: discuss oh Man, the hot almost too hot to touch

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Speaker 1: topic of the halftime show. Oh boy, do people have tas?

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Speaker 1: And do people make fools of themselves with their takes?

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Speaker 1: So consistently up to an including I think we've seen

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul, Well Jake Paul, who lives in Puerto Rico

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Speaker 1: to avoid taxes. Jake Paul had like a little tweet

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Speaker 1: I love Puerto Rico, I love bad Bunny, but like

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Speaker 1: the case of the Paul brothers. But we will get that.

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Speaker 1: We will get to that later. But first Demons. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to Super Bowl sixty champions.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, for the second time in franchise history, the

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Speaker 2: Seahawks are Super Bowl champions. That defense was prolific. Donald

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl MVP piece of it, because that,

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Speaker 1: Because the reason it's so hard for it defensive player

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Speaker 1: that Devin Witherspoon and Derek Hall and Byron Murphy all

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Speaker 1: again he did have the most rushing yards in a

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel indicative of this game for an offensive

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Speaker 1: have been for Devin Witherspoon because I thought the way

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Speaker 1: He got a sack, he got a hurry, he hit

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Speaker 1: and intercepting there was return for a touchdown. So Seattle's defense,

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Speaker 1: Seattle's defense making the Patriots look poorly coached. And they're

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Speaker 1: not poorly coached, but they looked poorly coached in that game.

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Speaker 1: It looked like you wanted to say something, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Can you not know you you usually give it to

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Speaker 1: So I would have loved that, Right, you can't, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Then It was every level of them. It was every

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Speaker 1: And so it's listen, I'm not gonna freak out about

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker winning it. He had a great game, and

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Speaker 1: it typically goes to an offensive player. But the story

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Speaker 1: Stafford or oddly Baker Mayfield, that Seahawks defense put you

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Speaker 1: But so the Seahawks defense allowed thirty eight in a

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Speaker 1: this year. And so I have I have no complaints.

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs being in the Super Bowl at this point

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Speaker 1: for this season, but at like Week six, the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: Rams monse got the Super Bowl they got five years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right, So Donald went from seeing ghosts to winning the

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Speaker 1: thirty two for eighty six yards, four picks, no touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Bad game to start year two in the league, and

431
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: he said, I'm seeing ghosts out there. And even though,

432
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: by the way that year the team went seven and

433
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: six outsid or when he played outside of that game,

434
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: he had nineteen touchdowns, nine picks. That was the memorable thing.

435
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: And then the next year he was brutal and the

436
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Jets were brutal. They move him on to Carolina. He

437
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: actually has like a decent stretch in Carolina, but it

438
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and he's goes and be's the and he's

439
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: the backup in San Francisco, and then has that remarkable

440
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: year with the Vikings. But we all give hand up

441
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: all the credit to Justin Jefferson and Kevin O'Connell and

442
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: then feel validated by his final two games of the year,

443
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: and then goes Seattle. And this is what I want

444
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: to say about Darnold, because he wasn't great in the

445
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he was very good at avoiding the disaster

446
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: and he was playing with fire. Early first pass of

447
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the game I thought could have been pick six and

448
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: ended up being a fourteen yard game. Patriots were like you.

449
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: The Patriots approach was you're gonna blow it. The Patriots

450
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: offensive approach early was don't make a mistake, because Donald's

451
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna blow it. And listen, he missed some throws, but

452
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: he didn't make the disaster mistake. And I thought three times.

453
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: Demonse, he was gonna get sex.

454
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he looked dead to rights and got out

455
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: of it. And those were big plays. But here's the

456
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: other thing I'll say about Donald as far as how

457
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: heavy this Super Bowl Championship is for him in a

458
00:31:52,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: good way. If you agree with me that the real

459
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was the NFC Championship game, well then you

460
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge he was the MVP of that game.

461
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: Guy threw for three point fifty three touchdowns a one

462
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: twenty eight rating, Like was awesome, going bar for bar

463
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford. So if that was their toughest game

464
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: of the year, he delivered. He absolutely delivered. And so listen,

465
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: he's twenty eight years old, turns twenty nine. In the offseason,

466
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: he's got this will be.

467
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: In his permanent home here there in Seattle.

468
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I would imagine he gets an extension

469
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: this summer. Yeah, and they can. So here's what they

470
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: could do. I would imagine so because he's on a

471
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: three year, one hundred million dollar deal, right, so his

472
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: cap hit next year's thirty eight million, in the year

473
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: after's forty one, I would think they could give him

474
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: like another They could give him three years one fifty

475
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: fifty million a year thereabouts and make it so he's

476
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: always one of the lower paid quarterbacks because they can

477
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: put some of that on this year's cap, Like, they

478
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: can spread that out the eighty million cap dollars they

479
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: own over the next two three plus one point fifty,

480
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 1: so that would be two hundred and thirty million in

481
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: cap dollars over the next five years. So that's forty

482
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: six million a year average. That's still a bargain for

483
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So yeah, I mean, I think he's going

484
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: to be in a good spot and you gotta be

485
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: happy for him. And he was so good in the

486
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: end NFC Championship game, and so he has kind of

487
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: taken Baker's corner as the gold standard of the contemporary

488
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: redemption story arc Like Baker's had a really good one,

489
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: but Darnold's now damn super Bowl champion. Yeah, all right,

490
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the other side of the.

491
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: Ball, all right. Everything was vindicated that the folks were

492
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: saying about the Patriots and Drake May in this game.

493
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: New England's offense was shaky. They could not do anything.

494
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: But obviously this is Drake May's second year in the NFL. Yeah,

495
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: how are we feeling about New England side of things?

496
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I wanted to start with Drake May. He

497
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: was awesome this year. Schedule or not, he was awesome

498
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: week to week in the regular season. I didn't think

499
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Speaker 1: he was the best quarterback in the league this year.

500
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: I thought that was Matt Stafford. But he was the

501
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: most consistent. He almost never had a bad game. I

502
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: didn't think he had the greatest supporting cast, and he

503
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: was excellent. That is an objective truth. Another objective truth

504
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: is he was somewhere between pretty bad to downright offal

505
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: in all four playoff games. There's not one playoff game

506
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: you can point to and be like, no, that's the game.

507
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: He was excellent. The first game of the playoffs, they

508
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: scored sixteen points. He threw a pick and had two fumbles.

509
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: The second game of the playoffs, he threw a pick,

510
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: had four fumbles, include a couple when it was so

511
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: clear the only way they could lose was him turning

512
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: the ball over because CJ. Stroud was self immolating on

513
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: the other side of the field. Third game of the playoffs,

514
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: he had forty yards before there was a drop of

515
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: snow falling from the sky and they scored seven points.

516
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: And in this game he did absolutely nothing through three

517
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: quarters and then the moment is very interesting. Demonse first

518
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: nine drives all punts. Then final five drives when it

519
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: was like, okay, gotta go for stuff. Did score two

520
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: touchdowns and had three turnovers the moment it was all right,

521
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: we gotta start trying to play for big plays. He's

522
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: turned back into a turnover machine. He was sacked twenty

523
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: one times this postseason, the most by any quarterback in

524
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Ever, not all of that is on him,

525
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: but some of that is on him. These were not

526
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: all instant sacks, and he fumbled seven times in four

527
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: playoff games, the most of all time. So I I

528
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: think he's really good.

529
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: But you give him a big break for it being

530
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: a second year, right or no?

531
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: Like it's no, no, no, I give him a big

532
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: break for it being his second year. I don't immediately say, though,

533
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: oh but and he'll he'll have a ton of chances

534
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: to make up for this, no that he's I like

535
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: right now, I would say, I don't think the Patriots

536
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: like right now. If I were to do way too

537
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: early playoff picks for next year, I wouldn't have the

538
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: Patriots in it.

539
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: Oh okay, like.

540
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: So that, So I just think so here is the thing.

541
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: Also, the schedule changing up and stuff.

542
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: Well, when I tell you how the schedule is changed up,

543
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna believe it, because it's not

544
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: just that they have a first place schedule, demanse, it's

545
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: that they draw as far as the way the NFL

546
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: schedule works is you play everyone in your division twice.

547
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: That's six of your games. Then you play one other

548
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: division in your conference that rotates every year, one other

549
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: division in the other conference that rotates every year, and

550
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: then you have three strength of schedule games, the meaning,

551
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: if you were the division winner, you play the two

552
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: division winners in your conference that aren't on your schedule,

553
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: plus one from the other conference. So the Patriots go

554
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: from and this this is the important part about the schedule.

555
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: Every year someone has the easiest schedule by definition. That

556
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: wasn't why the Patriot schedule was noteworthy. Patriot schedule is

557
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: noteworthy because it was the easiest schedule anyone has played

558
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: this century, and the second easiest schedule anyone has played

559
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: in fifty years. So it wasn't just the easiest this season,

560
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: it was by opponent winning percentage, the easiest in twenty

561
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: five years and the second easiest in fifty years. So

562
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: that wasn't just because they were playing, you know, a

563
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: last play schedule. It was also because they drew the

564
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: NFC South, which wasn't good, and the AFC North, which

565
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: turned out not to be good. Next year they draw

566
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the NFC North and the AFC West. Their home road

567
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: splits are tough. So here demands they are, and they

568
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: get a little unlucky nine road games instead of eight

569
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: because that alternates every year. They have nine road games. DEMONSA.

570
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: These are this is the Patriots road games next year, Jets, Dolphins,

571
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: divisional games. Fine, the Bills a divisional game. Here are

572
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: there other six road games? The Bears, the Lions, the Chiefs,

573
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: the Chargers, the Jags, the Seahawks. Yeah, that's the list.

574
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Well it's all of your non divisional road games are

575
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: playoff teams except for the Chiefs and the Lions. And

576
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: now at home you get your again your divisional opponents, Jets, Dolphins, Bills,

577
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: and then at home you also get the Raiders, so

578
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: that's nice. And your other home games are Vikings, Okay, Steelers, fine, Packers, Raiders,

579
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Packers, I already said Raiders, Packers, Broncos, pardon me, So.

580
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: It is you have the history of in the last

581
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: thirty years, one team that lost the Super Bowl got

582
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Speaker 3: back to it the following year.

583
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: The twenty seventeen Patriots did, but they were maybe a

584
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: little immunized from the super Bowl hangover because they had

585
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl in twenty sixteen, so it wasn't

586
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: quite as emotionally devastating. And eleven teams missed the playoffs outright,

587
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: or thirteen teams and I think it's eleven. Let me

588
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: make sure I have this right. Seven, No, this is

589
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: what it is. Seventeen teams after losing the Super Bowl

590
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, thirteen one a single playoff game or

591
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: won at least one playoff game, and only or I

592
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: have that wrong. Ignore me on this because I Josh

593
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: sent this to me yesterday. I don't have it committed

594
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: to memory. Only one teams made it back to the

595
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and the majority of teams in the last

596
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: thirty years have either missed the playoffs or been one

597
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: and done in the playoffs. That I know. The other

598
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: numbers I don't have committed to memory. So it's tough.

599
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: And I know people are gonna talk about Drake May's shoulder.

600
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: I I do not attribute that performance to his shoulder,

601
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: in part because his best passes of the game were late,

602
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: like after he'd been hit. Even more, I also.

603
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: See what he did. I feel like his receivers kind

604
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: of dropped some stuff too, Like it was on I

605
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: feel like some of the plays, Yeah, he was not

606
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: there and they just were. I couldn't get it.

607
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: But it was a bad game by everyone on the

608
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: Pats offense. A worst game by left tackle Will Campbell. Yeah. Who.

609
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: Now that's another thing we're talking about, like the Pat's future.

610
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: They spend the number four overall pick on a guy

611
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: who might just be a decent left guard. That would

612
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: be a problem. You drafted me a franchise left tackle. Now,

613
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: maybe he'll get better. But that was Yeah, that was

614
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: a rough one. And I you just don't know. And

615
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give you another fact. And I'm not

616
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: trying to listen. I've been very pro Drake May all year.

617
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: But I also thought the revisionist history on why he

618
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: was struggling in the playoffs, as if every game was

619
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: played in the weather of the final quarter and a

620
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: half in Denver, was nonsense. I also thought that people

621
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: Pats fans kept saying, well, look at the great defenses

622
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: they've played, and they were great defenses, but I don't

623
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: I personally, while I might not just kill you, if

624
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: you play poorly against a great defense, you don't get

625
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: ata boys for playing a great defense and playing awful.

626
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: Like there's no credit to be gained from playing really bad.

627
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: Escaped right, and so I things fell very nicely for

628
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: New England along this playoff route. They earned that. Good

629
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: for them. The team that's got to be absolutely sick

630
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: their stomach is the Broncos. Like man if bo Nicks

631
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: doesn't now, maybe the Broncos get beat up by Seattle,

632
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: but they feel like we were better than New England

633
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: and our quarterback got hurt. Here's another one, Demonsey. In

634
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: the last fifty years, there have only been two quarterbacks

635
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: to lose the first Super Bowl they play in and

636
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: ever win one. Just two, and that is Jalen Hurts

637
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: and John Elway. John Elway lost his first three in

638
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the eighties and then got to back to back in

639
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: the nineties. And there's not many quarterbacks. There's not many others.

640
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who it would be. Who are

641
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: even the quarterbacks other than those guys to lose their

642
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: first Super Bowl and even get back to a super Bowl. Well,

643
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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, obviously he went to four in a row.

644
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: Ken Anderson, maybe I don't know the regardless well, Joe Burrow,

645
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: may Burrows, but so no. But the the Joe Burrow

646
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: things instructive Bengals fans after year two as sucks, we

647
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't win. We'll be right back. And the next year

648
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: they were close. They were in the AFC title Game,

649
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: and then never there again.

650
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

651
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Speaker 1: The one everyone always will bring up, so I'm not

652
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: breaking news. Here is the Miami Dolphins. Year two, Dan Marine.

653
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: They're fourteen and two. Dan Marino wins League MVP, They

654
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl, they get beat up by

655
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: the Niners. The next year they're in the AFC Championship Game.

656
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: We're right there. We're gonna be there every year with Marino.

657
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: The rest of Dan Marino's career. They made the conference

658
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: championship game once and made zero more Super Bowls. It's hard,

659
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: and it's just particularly hard in the AFC. When I

660
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: would imagine demons next year, Chiefs Ravens bounced back a bit.

661
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: Are the Bengals gonna be just an embarrassment forever? Are

662
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: they gonna finally get their act together. There's there's just

663
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: a lot of mm So this was a great year

664
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Speaker 1: for New England. But there the reason they were fourteen

665
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: and three was an MVP candidate quarterback and they didn't

666
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: get that in the playoffs. And there's a combination of factors.

667
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: It's defenses, he's banged up, it's competition, it's whether it's

668
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: that you know, he got a little tight in my opinion,

669
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: it's all of it. But you're not guaranteed to be

670
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: back there. And I'll say one other thing. Sacks are

671
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: not exclusively a quarterback stat, but they are. They also aren't,

672
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, totally removed from quarterback play. And Drake May Now,

673
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: in how many games has the kid played, He's played

674
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: thirty games, okay, twenty nine starts, so twenty nine games

675
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: in the regular season, four in the playoffs, so he's

676
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: had thirty three starts in his career. In those thirty

677
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: three starts, he has been sacked one one hundred and

678
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: two times. That that feels like too big of ann

679
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: and is something that I would be at least a

680
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Speaker 1: we get to the MVP voting, which happened after our

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Speaker 1: last show, reminder, please send in any questions because we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do a mailbag style podcast next week. All right, demand,

696
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Speaker 1: let's go to the Stafford stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So, as we know, Drake may Or Stafford

698
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 2: beat Drake may by about a vote in the MVP race.

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Speaker 2: After seeing this game, he also announced that he's returning

700
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Speaker 2: next year. But after seeing this game, do you think

701
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: that the voters are correct?

702
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I think, Yes, definitely. I also

703
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: think that it was flawed logic. Two, do what some

704
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: folks were doing, which is Stafford carved up the Seahawks defense.

705
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Stafford's you know and Drake May were one A, one

706
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: B and MVP voting. So why can't Drake May carve

707
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: up the Seahawks defense when Stafford carved up the Seahawks

708
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: defense with the help of Sean McVay, with Pukainakuah, with

709
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: DeVante Adam and with the benefit of having played them

710
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: by the time they got to the NFC Championship game

711
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: five times in the previous fourteen months, because divisional opponent

712
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: and all of that, Like, that's just that's not what

713
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: it was. Matt Stafford deserved the league MVP this year.

714
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: He was the best player in the league this season.

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00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it is all that close. It was

716
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: closer than it should have been, and I think the

717
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl put a spotlight on it as mad as

718
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: people were at my buddy Sam Monson for the Justin

719
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: Herbert MVP vote. I do want to spend a second

720
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Speaker 1: about the you know, my pal friend of the show

721
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: and voter's obsession with him, Josh Allen in getting two

722
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: first place votes, so this is now so again he

723
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: should be on the ballot, no question about it. But

724
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: first place means you think they should win it. I

725
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: also have a theory that I stumbled upon when we

726
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: were talking about Hall of Fame stuff that I wonder

727
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: if people would vote more honestly for Hall of Fames

728
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: and awards. If this is how they did it, We're

729
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: gonna have fifty voters. Everyone's gonna fill out their ballot,

730
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: and we are not counting the votes. We are putting

731
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Speaker 1: all of the vote votes in a big ben, stirring

732
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: them up, and picking one ballot at random, and that's

733
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Speaker 1: the award. Because I know, so just hear me out

734
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Speaker 1: on this. Let's think about the Hall of Fame thing

735
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: with Belichick. Yeah, if people if that's what because I

736
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: do feel like some people like with the Hall of Fame,

737
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: they're like, well, this guy's gonna get in. I'd rather

738
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Speaker 1: my vote go for this person, try to try to

739
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: game the system. I think Sam Monson when he voted

740
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: for Justin Herbert, or even the people who voted for

741
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, they did not think this guy's going to win.

742
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: What they thought was I wanted you know, she used

743
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Speaker 1: to be how much value? Right?

744
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

745
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: But if people knew. No, there's not going to be

746
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: other people to fix your mistakes. So to speak. We

747
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: are we trust you, fifty voters, and one of your

748
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: ballots is just gonna be the ballot, and there's no

749
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: way of telling who's I do wonder if people would

750
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I need to YEH can't put just

751
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: fine with right? I can't so and I feel the

752
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: same way. It's very, very difficult to make the case

753
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Josh Allen had a better year than Stafford or Drake. Yeah,

754
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: and this is now, and I only care about the

755
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: first place votes piece of it. So I we now

756
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: have had the following instances, and I'm not picking. This

757
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: is not Josh's fault. And in fact, a lot of

758
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: the blowback, if there is any or backlash Josh Allen gets,

759
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: is because of some of the media treatment that is

760
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: indicative of these votes. Because I don't think Josh Allen

761
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: thought he deserved League MVP this year, but two of

762
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: the fifty voters did. And here is the trend that

763
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And I'm gonna use very simple numbers here. Okay,

764
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Speaker 1: I understand it's more than that, and I get it,

765
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Speaker 1: but I'm it's a podcast, and so I can't show

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00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: it to you graphically. This year, Matthew Stafford had forty

767
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards. His passing numbers forty seven hundred yards,

768
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: forty six touchdowns, eight picks. Josh Allen had thirty six

769
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards, twenty five touchdowns, ten picks, and two people

770
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: voted for him for MVP. Last year he won it.

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Speaker 1: I thought he should have won it, but again, if

772
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Speaker 1: we're just doing the passing numbers, he had thirty seven

773
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Speaker 1: hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns, six picks. Lamar had forty

774
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: one hundred yards forty one touchdowns, four picks. Fine dog.

775
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen got a first place vote the year before,

776
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: when he had twenty nine touchdowns and led the league

777
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: in intersect options with eighteen. Dak Prescott did not get

778
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Speaker 1: a first place vote that year when he had thirty

779
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: six touchdowns and half the interceptions. Twenty twenty two, when

780
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes had forty one touchdowns, twelve picks and fifty

781
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: two hundred yards, Josh Allen got one first place vote

782
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: when he had forty two hundred yards, thirty five touchdowns

783
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: and fourteen picks, and the maybe the best one in

784
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, when Aaron Rodgers had forty eight touchdowns and

785
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: five picks and Mahomes had thirty eight touchdowns and six picks,

786
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Speaker 1: and both teams had better records than the Bills. Josh

787
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: Allen got four first place votes when he had thirty

788
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: han touchdowns and ten picks. It is there is a

789
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: couple MVP voters that are just Josh Allen no matter

790
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: what voters, and it's baffling to me, and so I,

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00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, I but the voters did get it right,

792
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: and I think it's good for everyone involved, including Drake

793
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: May that he didn't win MVP. Yeah, I Stafford deserved it,

794
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: and it does cement Stafford as a Hall of Famer

795
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: in my opinion. And I'm glad now these again, these

796
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: folks doing the top ten quarterback stuff like we gotta

797
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: the Let me see if I can find my all

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00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: time quarterback see if I can find my old time

799
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Speaker 1: quarterback pyramid, because I didn't want to do it off

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00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: the top of my head. Head, but give me one

801
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: second and then we'll get out here. All the time

802
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: quarterback pyramid. I should have had this before. No, that's

803
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: the all time No, I don't gosh darn it.

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: You think rams there are any other teams in can

805
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: kuon turned their TV off? Piss because they should have

806
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: been there and they could have won that game.

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Speaker 1: I mean just the Broncos. Yeah, you know what I mean,

808
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: just the Broncos. Let me try. I'm gonna try one

809
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: other thing on this go ahead.

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00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, no, I was gonna say the Texans, but

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Speaker 2: the Texans have no way of uh getting there with

812
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: their quarterback play, so.

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Speaker 1: So the yeah. But okay, I found I found one

814
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: of my older all time quarterback mountains, just real quick.

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Speaker 1: If we are for people that are wanting to do

816
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Speaker 1: Stafford Wary ranks and again is a Hall of Famer

817
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: now in my opinion, but quarterbacks who, without a shadow

818
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: of a doubt have to be ahead of him in

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Speaker 1: the all time quarterback rankings. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning,

820
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Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Rogers, Stallbach,

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Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Johnny Uniteds, Bard Starr, Auto Graham,

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Speaker 1: Sammy bab Because people tell me I'll trust him on it,

823
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and then we can start discussing him versus

824
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: big Ben, Lamar, Big Ben and Lamar like that, and

825
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen to round out your top twenty, What did

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Speaker 1: you think I was?

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Speaker 2: Where Stafford at?

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Speaker 1: There? Right? So that's those were all the guys that

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Speaker 1: I just said ahead of him. So of all time quarterbacks,

830
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Speaker 1: I'll do it again, Brady Mahomes, Peyton, Montana, Marino, Elway, Rogers,

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Speaker 1: Farv Staubach, Bradshaw. Those are the ten kind of modern

832
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Speaker 1: era guys, and then I will add the old timers,

833
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: which are Unitas, Star Graham, Sammy Baugh. Now we're at fourteen,

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Speaker 1: then I would get to Steve Young, Drew Brees, and

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Speaker 1: then after that we can have the discussion of after

836
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Speaker 1: those sixteen guys, Stafford alongside Lamar, Kurt Warner, Troy Aikman,

837
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Speaker 1: Big Ben, Josh Allen like to round out your top twenty,

838
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Speaker 1: top twenty five. That's the neighborhood he's in. But this

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Speaker 1: top ten all time, it's just not it's much like

840
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Speaker 1: a lot of people's top tens. The people saying it

841
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: would not actually say it if they put pen to paper.

842
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: So that's you know, that's did you did you think

843
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: I had him too high? Too low? I know you

844
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Speaker 1: don't have this, no, I understand.

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Speaker 2: I mean there, yeah, there was just a bunch of

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Speaker 2: a bunch of those guys.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I obviously did not watch, but I thought Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: was a I thought you'd be a little bit higher

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01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 2: up in your list.

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Speaker 1: But the problem for Stafford is the the decade plus

852
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: in Detroit when he was a good player but not great. Yeah,

853
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Speaker 1: and like zero and three in the playoffs, made one

854
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, like just you know, and so again is

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Speaker 1: maybe audio only podcast on Thursday. Keep the questions coming

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Speaker 1: That'll help us out and make sure you guys get

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Speaker 1: me live from Daytona on Thursday, and I'll be on

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Speaker 1: TV with Colin in about ninety minutes. Talk to you

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