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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I am Jay Glazer, and we have an incredible guest

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Speaker 2: today that I cannot wait to learn from and to

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Speaker 2: have you all learn from it as well. He has

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Speaker 2: coached some of the most well known and most decorated

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Speaker 2: athletes of our time. Look, we talk mental health a lot,

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Speaker 2: and that doesn't always mean issues mental health could lead

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Speaker 2: to mental wealth.

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Speaker 3: It's what you do with what goes on between your ears.

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Speaker 2: And I always talk about you know, we have physical

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Speaker 2: coaches all the time that we all lean into, but

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Speaker 2: we need coaches for our mental health.

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Speaker 3: As well, and there's just not too many of them

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 2: This man, though he is coached Tom Brady's, Michael Phelps,

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Speaker 2: Desmond Hours, Charles Woodson, the best of the best of

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Speaker 2: the best, and Greg Harden just came out with a

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Speaker 2: new book, Stay Sane in an Insane World.

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Speaker 3: If as anybody who understands that it is me Greg.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about the roommates in my head, trying

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Speaker 2: to get them to play along nicely together how you

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Speaker 2: doing that?

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Speaker 4: Oh man, life is great, and I'm just thrilled and

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Speaker 4: humbled to have an opportunity to chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Jay. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Mat So he's right there and I just want to

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Speaker 2: go back and forth in each other because we have

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Speaker 2: a lot of mutual friends working.

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Speaker 3: But you said life was great. Did you always think

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Speaker 3: like that you ready for this? Yep, I'm too dumb

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Speaker 3: to be depressed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I got tired of being so smart that

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Speaker 4: I was overthinking and overworking and anxious all the time.

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Speaker 4: So I decided that I really just need to simplify

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Speaker 4: things and keep it as simple as possible. And I've

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Speaker 4: been able to figure out what's working and what's not working,

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Speaker 4: and was not working I attack relentlessly.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I loved in your book.

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Speaker 2: And we'll go back because I want people to know

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Speaker 2: your story also, But just something that really stood out

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 3: I've trained a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: In mixed martial arts, and it wasn't until a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago Randy Couture, who's you know, my partner

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Speaker 2: doing a lot of their stuff, Who's one of the

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Speaker 2: baddest dudes on the planet.

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Speaker 3: I was getting upset with one of more fighters, Becau's.

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Speaker 2: Just over and over and over it, Like, man, how

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Speaker 2: how can I I'm explaining this?

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Speaker 3: I thought in such simple terms, and Randy pulled me aside.

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Speaker 2: And Randy's coach, he's won seven six world titles himself

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Speaker 2: and coached several other world champions, and he says, Hey,

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Speaker 2: don't tell them what you don't want, just tell them

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Speaker 2: what you do want.

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Speaker 4: And I saw that in.

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Speaker 2: Your book really like that stood out for me. One

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Speaker 2: of the first things that I read. Go a little

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Speaker 2: bit more into that about getting you know the most

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Speaker 2: out of people in the right way.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's crucial that you give people an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: tell you who they are. And if you don't ask

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Speaker 4: questions and you're in there just running your mouth telling

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Speaker 4: them what they should think and what they should do

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Speaker 4: and how they should feel, you're stupid. You've got to

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Speaker 4: find out what's important to the person you're talking to. You,

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Speaker 4: what is their dream, what is their idea, what is

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Speaker 4: their definition of success, and help them shape it in

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Speaker 4: such a way that they include mental fitness. See we

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Speaker 4: talk about mental health a lot, and folks, when I

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Speaker 4: first started doing this thirty forty years ago, mental health

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Speaker 3: Was hard to talk about. So I started talking about.

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Speaker 4: Mental fitness and training for it and helping them understand

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Speaker 4: that all of us are vulnerable. But if we are

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Speaker 4: serious about being a total person, there are three levels

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Speaker 4: of fitness, physical, mental, and spiritual. Now I'm not going

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Speaker 4: mental for you. If there was anyone that would understand this,

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Speaker 4: we ask somebody from another planet to h help help

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Speaker 4: us understand physical fitness, they do.

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Speaker 3: I But if you.

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Speaker 4: Had to explain it to somebody, you'd be talking about

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Speaker 4: their strength, their endurance, their stamina, their cardiovascular And until

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Speaker 4: go on and on and on and until they understand.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about shortening, telescoping how fast you recover.

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Speaker 3: All of us.

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Speaker 4: Will experience trials and tribulations, all of us will be broken, hearder,

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Speaker 4: grief laws, all of these things attack us. But how

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Speaker 4: fast do you recover? Because you have to come back?

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Speaker 4: And so what we want to do is shorten Jay's

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Speaker 4: recovery time because he get you. No anxiety is going

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Speaker 4: to tack you know, depression, that's going to be talking about.

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Speaker 4: I've been waiting for your food. I got your you're tired, good,

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Speaker 4: come here. Your recovery time, though, is what you've shortened, Jay,

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Speaker 4: That's what you've been doing. And that's what we train

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Speaker 4: people to do. The understand the greatest and you've alluded

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Speaker 4: to it, and we've never talked, but you said it

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Speaker 4: so clearly, the greatest competition in your life. It's between

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Speaker 4: your ears. There's no greater challenge.

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Speaker 2: So you're not just talking physical recovery. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I love it you said that, you know, argument unbreakable.

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Speaker 2: We recover you as far as we train you. I

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Speaker 2: was one of those meat headlifters and fighters who trained

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Speaker 2: four times a day and more and more more, and then,

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Speaker 2: you know, as a coach a long time ago saying, man,

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Speaker 2: if you're healthier than that guy across from you, you'll win.

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Speaker 2: But it took me, you know, obviously, a while and

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Speaker 2: to figure that out. You're not just talking the physical

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Speaker 3: Bruh.

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Speaker 4: So the everyone that came in my office was.

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Speaker 3: Not struggling with addiction or depression.

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Speaker 4: They were trying to figure out how to be the

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Speaker 4: best possible performer they could be. So I have to

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Speaker 4: convince them that if you're training physically, you have to

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Speaker 4: every six months and say I feel great. You've got

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Speaker 4: You've got to be reinforced to reinvent yourself because everyone's

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Speaker 4: got baggage and letting go of yesterday's baggage or make you.

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Speaker 3: A better athlete.

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Speaker 4: Becoming a more leading with care, compassion, and concern will

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Speaker 4: make you a better athlete. Learning to ask for help

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Speaker 4: will make you a better athlete. So we're trying to

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Speaker 4: a better athlete. I'm going to go there, Jay, you're ready, No,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you the secret that ain't a secret.

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Speaker 3: Self love and self acceptance.

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Speaker 4: Look, all of us want four a's. We need attention,

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Speaker 4: we need affection, we need approval, and we need acceptance.

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Speaker 4: Oftentimes we settle for attention and approval, but you know,

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Speaker 4: deep down in your heart. What you want is to

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Speaker 4: be loved and to be accepted. But until you put

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Speaker 4: the word self in front of it, something that's missing.

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Speaker 4: Self love and self acceptance must become a mission and

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Speaker 3: Like I alluded to earlier, You've worked with Tom Brady,

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Speaker 3: Michael Philips, Charles Woodson, you know, Doesn't Howard at University

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Speaker 3: of Michigan, and I know you work with other sports

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Speaker 2: Journey get you there in the first place that they

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Speaker 4: I was invited to work with the football team at

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Speaker 4: I was invited because I was supposedly an expert on

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Speaker 4: years old. That is the dumbest idea in the world.

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Speaker 4: I said, I say, so, let me give you the

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Speaker 4: names of some folks that might do it. And say,

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Speaker 4: but this is Michigan. I said, yeah, I went to Michigan.

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Speaker 4: but that doesn't work. They know more about alcohol and

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Speaker 4: and say we did a lecture. Now I can't have

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Speaker 3: With that show.

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Speaker 4: The head coach at the time was a gentleman named

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Speaker 4: shim Becker. Shim Becker wanted to who is this fool?

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Speaker 4: Let me meet him? So I came in and suggested

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Speaker 4: would include something that didn't exist yet, integrated behavioral healthcare.

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Speaker 4: That's what you know about behavioral healthcare, but it didn't

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Speaker 4: And if you can't tell me what happened to that kid,

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Speaker 4: if you're talking about you kicking him out, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Want any parts of it. And that's how it got started.

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Speaker 4: The next thing, you know, several years goes by and

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Speaker 4: using you effectively? Are we? I said it was a

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Speaker 4: matter of facturers not. He said, well, what would.

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Speaker 3: You do different?

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Speaker 4: I say, instead of being focused on pathology and someone

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Speaker 4: getting in trouble, we need to set it up so

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Speaker 4: a young person could talk to somebody other than a

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Speaker 4: be human beings. Don't tell anybody, but they're going through

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Speaker 4: the same crap the rest of those students are going through. Pluse.

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Speaker 4: They have a full two full time jobs being a

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Speaker 4: student and being a first class, top tier peak performing athlete.

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Speaker 3: But who they are yet? Yes, don't get me started.

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Speaker 4: You're three hundred pounds six foet inches tall. It looked

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Speaker 4: like a grown ass man in your kid, an adolescent

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Speaker 4: struggling to find out who you are, where you fit.

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Speaker 3: Then our needs.

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Speaker 4: So if we can give them a vehicle by which

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Speaker 4: they could just talk to somebody, continuum up there. You

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Speaker 4: can come in and talk to me about you dating

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Speaker 4: a food, or you can come in and talk about

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Speaker 4: this depression is killing me.

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Speaker 3: That's a wide range.

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Speaker 4: Jay, my mom and daddy crazy. I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: That's a wide range.

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Speaker 4: I had a kid, This is a true story. I

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Speaker 4: Come on, Jay, I mean hungry and a bear coming

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Speaker 3: Bam. Love that man, Love that, absolutely love that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Tom Brady watched what Desmond Howard and I did, and

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Speaker 3: He said, let's start right there.

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Speaker 4: He said, let's go, Rob All, I can help you.

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Speaker 4: How do you see yourself if they If you don't

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Speaker 4: Whether this crap works or not, we just increased the chances.

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Speaker 3: That are the work. So everywhere is what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: Basically, I'm more than a football player. That's all I said. Tom,

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Speaker 3: You need to screw the NFL.

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Speaker 4: What does the NFL stand for long? Not for long?

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Speaker 3: Does that fall under you know?

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Speaker 2: I saw in your book. I saw it stood out

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, jay, I can't control what your

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Speaker 4: You can't control how old is your coach Tommy h

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Speaker 3: Okay? So what can you change my attitude?

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Speaker 4: How I'm approaching it, how I'm responding to it, how

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Speaker 2: Is Michael Phelps my dude, and I just want to

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Speaker 4: I'm not even thinking that as the resume is not

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Speaker 4: me what works what doesn't work, because it was a

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00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 4: different age group and population that he had never worked

441
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 4: with before. So he said, you know you're my administrator.

442
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 4: I'll listen to you. So your goes by, and he says,

443
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 4: you know, me and Michae are going through some challenges.

444
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking to Michael is now eighteen nineteen

445
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 4: years old, and you know he hasn't had a childhood.

446
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 4: He was identified at twelve years old to be to

447
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 4: be an Olympian. By fifteen, he's in the Olympics. By

448
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: eighteen nineteen, he's back in the Olympics, kicking ass and

449
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 4: taking names. But rebellion has to take place, so he

450
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 4: begins to act out and like, Bob is so confused.

451
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 4: He's never been like this. He's always been perfect, and

452
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 4: yet why is this going on? And he can't understand

453
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: that he's surrogate Daddy. Who else you going rebel against Bob?

454
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: Bob's Mike Guy. I'm coaching Bob, And he said, do

455
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 4: you think he could talk to Michael. I said, a

456
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 4: hold on, player, Mike ain't gonna come talk to me.

457
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, but but I said, I tell you

458
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: what you tell Mike that I'm fascinated with him and

459
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 4: want to meet him and then tell him who I've

460
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 4: worked with and he said, okay, Mike comes in and

461
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 4: uh and we're kicking it. Jay Glazer, listen carefully. I

462
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 4: treated Michael Phelps like he was a person, like he

463
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 4: was just another cat off the block. Stars fool, I say,

464
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: stars all the time. Come on, sit down. Let's talk

465
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 4: about who you are, where you're going, and how you're

466
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 4: gonna get this, and what are you gonna do besides

467
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 4: gold medals? And when are you gonna give one hundred

468
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: per cent again? Because you're not?

469
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: And he looking at me like what I said? He

470
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: so we just would kick it. We would just kick it.

471
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: We wouldn't talk about anything except his life, and he did.

472
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 4: Who gets to do that? He doesn't get to do that.

473
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 4: I don't care that you're all this and that you

474
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 4: know what's working what's not working in your life. And

475
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: that door opens up. It opens up a door to

476
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: talk about life and the pursuit of happiness. So what

477
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 4: would make you happy? Other than I said, what if

478
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 4: you got rich and famous?

479
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: For real?

480
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: What would you do with power and influence?

481
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 3: JG.

482
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: That's what I talked about to my guys. So what

483
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 4: happens if this turns into everything.

484
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: You dreamed of.

485
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: Now, what are you gonna do when you're gonna let

486
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 4: go of daddy issues, when you're gonna go yesterday's baggage?

487
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 3: I said, bro, I can make you'll be a better

488
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: a better Olympian.

489
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: If you let go of some of this crap you

490
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 4: dragging around everywhere you go. So I wasn't this therapist,

491
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: but I convinced him that he might need to tell this.

492
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

493
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: So we've had a great relationship since he was a

494
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: teenager in ann Arbor trying to find himself and that's

495
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: what he was trying to do, and I was fortunate

496
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 4: enough to be there and he allowed me to talk

497
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: to him like he was a regular guy. I think

498
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 4: people like this, you know, they definitely need somebody like you,

499
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 4: because for me, I wasn't able to feel love from.

500
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: The inside out because of depression anxiety. So I didn't

501
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 3: understand what that was.

502
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 2: But as a result of that, it forced me to

503
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: go seek out and do I thought such great things

504
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: to get some love from the outside in. And I

505
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: hope they meet in the middle. But the biggest shock

506
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: to my system was quote unquote made it. I wasn't

507
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: happy my wallet was not an antidepression. Holy crowd, you

508
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: gotta be kidding me. Like bows and unicorns, like that

509
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: outside stuff wantn't to make me happy for the inside out?

510
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: Where do we find out? From Jay, listen to what

511
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: you just said.

512
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 4: Remember I talked about the four a's, the need for attention, affection, approval,

513
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: and acceptance. I've made a fool of myself, but I've

514
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: all also risen to the highest levels possible pursuing attention, affection, approval,

515
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: and acceptance.

516
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: That's what you did.

517
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: That quest for the four a's leads you down this path,

518
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: which ends up being an amazing path. It doesn't cure you,

519
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: it doesn't finish you, but it sets you up to

520
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: be on a mission. Your mission comes from your challenges.

521
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: Your pain has created a monster on.

522
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: Mental health stats. No doubt, scars make me who I am,

523
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: no doubt. I don't talk about my successes, talk about

524
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: my scars. I've bragg to myself about my scars, not

525
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: my success.

526
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: And I think you know that's a big thing with

527
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: you teach people, is that, look, we're not all going

528
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: to have the success that we want. We all got scars.

529
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: If you lean in on those scars. Those could be

530
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: your superpowers.

531
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 4: And so being able to help people have a clue,

532
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: and they get tired of clues.

533
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: Tell me what to do. Sometimes they say, you.

534
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 4: Need to obsess over self and self acceptance. You're obsessed

535
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 4: with everybody else's love. You're obsessing over about everybody else's acceptance.

536
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: When at some point will you deliberately and intentionally decide

537
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna love me, I'm gonna love me so much?

538
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: How I can afford to love you? Because where we

539
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: go is like how I feel about me flaws and

540
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: all flaws and all until flaws and alls is included,

541
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: that's not love and love and love till you give

542
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: it away. But the love I'm giving away is simply counterfeit. Ah, well,

543
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: how do I get there? Because I want to be

544
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: a loving, caring, compassionate, concerned individual, And in order to

545
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: give the love that I want to give, it has

546
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 4: to come from my heart. It has to be something

547
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 4: I can see in me. It doesn't mean it's perfect,

548
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: It will never be perfect. And the pursuit of perfection

549
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: and it's a fool's game. But pursuing perfection is fun.

550
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: But if you try to be perfect, you'll kill yourself,

551
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: You'll never be happy.

552
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: We talk about the approval part.

553
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't until this past year that I learned how

554
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: important it is for me to build up my self approval,

555
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: not approval from everybody else, but man, I'm fifty three.

556
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: I didn't learn how to start doing that till recently.

557
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: I wish I met you freaking twenty five years ago.

558
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 4: Bruh, Jay, I'm like fans in my mid of the

559
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: late thirties, and I'm giving all these speeches and the

560
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: lectures and talking about four a's and like I was.

561
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: For some reason, it hit me, My god, I'm almost

562
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: forty years old and I'm still seeking my father's approval.

563
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: What am I doing?

564
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: And so I decided that my father loved me, he

565
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: just didn't know how to show it. I decided my

566
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: father believed in me, but he didn't. His fault. He

567
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: didn't even know who his father was. No one modeled

568
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: for him how to be a daddy. And instead of

569
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: me just pissing and moaning about what he didn't do,

570
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 4: I had to start looking at what did he do

571
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: and what did he do right? And what he did wrong.

572
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: I have articulated it. I've chronicled, I've documented it, But

573
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: when am I going to allow him to be a

574
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 4: human being instead of Daddy, who I wounded? So I

575
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: decided my father loved me and that he thought highly

576
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: of me, and I said, I'm done with that, I

577
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: swear to God. Two weeks later, the phone rings. Hey,

578
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: this is your pops. Hey Dad, how you doing? He said,

579
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: I'm all right. You know what's going on? I said,

580
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm surprised. Why are you calling me? He said, well,

581
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: I needed your advice. Who's this?

582
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: No?

583
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: Really, can I speak to my father? He said, no,

584
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: you're You're funny, And I figured you know more about

585
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: this than I do. Who is this brouh? I'm flipping

586
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: out because he's never talk like this. But whatever, God

587
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: you believe in sent me a message that food. You

588
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: did the right thing for giving your father for not

589
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: being perfect and letting go of yesterday's baggage. My father

590
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: called and told me he loved me and it and

591
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: admired and respected me. I was, I mean on All

592
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 4: I did was decide two weeks ago to stop holding

593
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: him hostage to what he didn't do.

594
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: Open up your universe, right, Lord, you start attracting something

595
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: that you never thought you'd yet.

596
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: That's beautiful, that's amazing, that's the truth. Hard for a

597
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: lot of us. Yeah, bruh. But let's think.

598
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: About how it applies. Who thinks of MVP, who sits

599
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 4: something and thinks about what am I going to do next?

600
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: It comes up with stuff that's gonna save lives. Okay,

601
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: my next mission is to save more lives. Jay. That's

602
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 4: what you did. And so everybody run around trying to

603
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: how great you are you you can't hear that, but

604
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: what you can here, it's what you have done is

605
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: concrete and measurable. You've changed lives, You've saved lives, and

606
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: you did it on purpose.

607
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: I do thank you so much. I wouldn't been able

608
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: to accept that years ago. I can now. Is that

609
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: right being of services that keeps being the blue.

610
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: It's beautiful and I never dreamed you'd be doing this

611
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: never I didn't have those scores, I couldn't.

612
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: Do it, Brod.

613
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: If it didn't have the scars, you wouldn't be able

614
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 4: to look at the cat who you've shoes you've never

615
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: been in and say I can relate, And they say

616
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: I think you can. They know you can't, because Brod,

617
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: this this ain't about us. This book is not about me.

618
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: There's stories in this book, short to the point knocking

619
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 4: on your butt, stories that you will love and somebody

620
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: you don't have to read it all that you can

621
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: just open that bad boy up and a story will

622
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: pop you in your eyes.

623
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: Right.

624
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: But there's short stories to tell people the history of

625
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: folks who are like them everybody I talk about. This

626
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: is not about athletics. This is not about stars. It's

627
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: about people struggling to find out who they are and

628
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: how to become the world's greatest expert on one subject themselves.

629
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: Beautiful, give me before I let you go, two more questions, Yes, sir,

630
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: give me another message in this book that you want

631
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: to make sure the world can hear that I haven't

632
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: brought up.

633
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: The most important piece is that no one can make

634
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: you feel inferior without your permission. Eleanor Roosevelt. Eleanor Roosevelt.

635
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: No one can make you feel inferior without your permission. Okay,

636
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: let me tell you what Greg rode. Your self worth

637
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: and self esteem must not be based on performance or

638
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: external factors. How I feel about me and got jack

639
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: to do with?

640
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 3: How much money you're gonna pay me and got jacked?

641
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: Do? How many touchdowns are?

642
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: Right?

643
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: How I feel about me has to go beyond what

644
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: you think of me.

645
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: What I'm doing.

646
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna fight for it, and you gotta be willing

647
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: to fight for it and not just hope and wish.

648
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: Is this is your podcast X rated?

649
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: Oh, you can say whatever the fuck you want. Are

650
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: you ready for this? Jay?

651
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: Don't judge me. All right, You're in my office and

652
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: you're talking about I wish. I'm so tired of being

653
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: this way. And I would say to you, Jay, we've

654
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: been together now for like several months, maybe a couple

655
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: of years. So I want you to do an experiment.

656
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: I want you tonight. I want you to go home.

657
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 4: I want you to take your left hand. I want you

658
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Speaker 4: to to wish in it. I want you to take

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Speaker 4: your right hand, Jay, and I want you to shit

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Speaker 4: in it, and then come back and tell me which

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Speaker 4: one got field first. I got issues, I know, I

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Speaker 4: know I'll do it well. Wish in one hand and

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Speaker 4: should in the other, and tell me which gets filled first.

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Speaker 4: Wishing is not enough.

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Speaker 3: You gotta fight for your sanity.

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Speaker 4: You gotta do whatever it takes to stay sane in

667
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Speaker 4: this crazy world. They can't have me, they can't have you.

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Speaker 2: Jay love that, man, I love that, and we do.

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Speaker 2: We let all the external voices shape us, and they

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Speaker 2: become the truth. When they don't have to be the truth,

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Speaker 2: we can decide what that truth is.

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Speaker 4: The voices in your here be lying you're all fucked up. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I am worthy.

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Speaker 2: Fuck you, I'm fucking up, but I'm good with my

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Speaker 2: fucked upness.

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00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: Now. I'm worthy of being fucked up.

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Speaker 4: Predictable, predictable, therefore manageable.

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Speaker 2: So my last question, he is I asked every one

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Speaker 2: of my guests, give me your unbreakable moment for me.

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Speaker 2: Unbreakable is man a thing that was supposed to break

681
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Speaker 2: you but then't and you came to the other side

682
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Speaker 2: of that and as a result of that and you're

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Speaker 2: stronger forever.

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Speaker 4: There are quite a few, but let me tell you

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Speaker 4: this one, this one piece. I think I was in

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Speaker 4: about twenty three years old, and I was living a

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Speaker 4: lifestyle that was definitely predictable in terms of what could happen.

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Speaker 4: You're going to be locked up, you're going to be dead,

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Speaker 4: you're going to be hospitalized somehow. It ain't gonna end

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Speaker 4: right the way you're going. And I looked, and I prayed,

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Speaker 4: and I pondered, and I said to God, if I

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Speaker 4: lived to see twenty five, if I lived to see

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Speaker 4: twenty five, there must be some purpose for my life.

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Speaker 3: Jah.

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Speaker 4: I hit twenty five, and oops, I hadn't made a promise.

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Speaker 4: And at twenty five, I said, at twenty five, I've

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Speaker 4: been on this, I've been on a planet for a

698
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Speaker 4: quarter of a century. I should at least have a

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Speaker 4: clue who I am and where I'm trying to go.

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Speaker 3: And so my first purpose was pursuit of purpose. Man.

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Speaker 2: I love that, dude. I have love connecting with you.

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Speaker 2: I've known about you for a long time. You weren't

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Speaker 2: such a secret weapon of me. I knew about you

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Speaker 2: for a long time. I'm really glad we got a

705
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Speaker 2: chance to connect. Young's book Stay Sane in an insane world,

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Speaker 2: how to control the controllables and thrive. And I love

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Speaker 2: that too, because you're not just surviving, you're thriving there.

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Speaker 2: It is, man, I really appreciate it. Congratulate you on

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Speaker 2: that as well. That that's huge, you know. And one

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Speaker 2: thing when I, you know, wrote this book, is how

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Speaker 2: many people you end up helping and power and saving.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what is watching somewhere else, and it's

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Speaker 2: it's I just want you to be able to love

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Speaker 2: yourself up for that, because you're probably helping somebody right

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Speaker 2: now that you have no idea about.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: So make it real clear. I don't buy books. I'm

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Speaker 4: getting ready to buy your book, but I hope people

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Speaker 4: will appreciate that her picking mine up.

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Speaker 3: But Brad, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I am so humble and pleased to have this opportunity

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Speaker 4: to chat with you and get a.

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Speaker 3: Clue about who you are for real

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Speaker 2: My dude, I appreciate you so much, getting Greg Harden everybody,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much, my dude,