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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago, click your ass up the

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club finish for y'all done. It's the world no day,

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Speaker 1: this morning show to Breakfast Club, Charlamagne the God just hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Envy is off to day.

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Speaker 1: But we got two special guests in the building.

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Speaker 2: Were Bach were you here?

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Speaker 3: You kind of.

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Speaker 2: He the prime minister of bait. That's true, that's true,

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Speaker 2: that's true. Shaggy Shaggy is here. Shaggy is baby Robin

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Speaker 2: Thinket's here. He's all white. I'm talking, I'm read, I'm

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Speaker 2: mostly read. How are y'all today? Man?

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Speaker 4: Oh good Man could have done something about the weather, though, God,

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Speaker 4: oh boy, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: I was dressed up.

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Speaker 4: I was like, it's raining all day. You know what's up?

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Speaker 5: Don't ever trust the bellman. I checked in last night.

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Speaker 5: He was like, it's gonna be a beautiful day tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Was like, y'all, man said, what do we what do

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Speaker 2: we owe the pleasure of this?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: This union right here?

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Speaker 1: I know you'll got to were looking love, looking love.

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Speaker 5: We're doing grown and sexy reggae things these days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's a good five. It's a good good energy.

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Speaker 4: Uh you know, a great great songs something for the ladies.

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Speaker 4: Of course. You know what I'm saying. I think a

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Speaker 4: lot of that is lost sometimes just the mayor compliment

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Speaker 4: and I was like, man, you just you're looking you're

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Speaker 4: looking lovely today. Yeah, it's just having that vibe. And uh,

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Speaker 4: it's a song I wrote.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I ran into uh Robin on.

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Speaker 3: It was uh we did a show together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't uh. I think it was one of

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Speaker 4: the f ones we did. So man Houston and me

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Speaker 4: and him Clif, all of us we ended up hanging

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Speaker 4: out one night. It was just just we just kind

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Speaker 4: of kicked it off, and once this record came up,

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Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this sounds like Robin. I sent

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Speaker 4: it to him and he was just like, Yo, this

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Speaker 4: is this is lovely.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm a huge Bill Withers fan, of course,

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Speaker 5: the soulhead. So all my inspirations are Oldest and Bill

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Speaker 5: and Al Green and guys like that. So when he

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Speaker 5: sent me the record and he had his voice on it,

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Speaker 5: I'm a huge Shaggy fan. I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 5: there's something here with the throwback soul record, but with

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Speaker 5: the Caribbean influence and if I put some little soul

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Speaker 5: man stuff on it, put that white soul on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're really happy with it.

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Speaker 1: I can't whatever I hear Bill with a lovely day,

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Speaker 1: I think could the late great Clarence. Clarence is yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I know he knows made a lot to you

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Speaker 1: a lot, big time.

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Speaker 4: I mean even you know when when I show actually

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Speaker 4: showed that documentary of Black Godfather to a lot of

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Speaker 4: people coming up. You know, I do this thing in

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Speaker 4: Jamaica called All of Music Conference, which is this my

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Speaker 4: third year doing it. I just did it, you know,

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Speaker 4: bring a lot of people down from the business, just

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Speaker 4: just to get you know, a lot of the inner

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Speaker 4: city utes out of Jamaica and reggae artists because so

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Speaker 4: many of our artists, their intellectual properties are owned by

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Speaker 4: other people throughout the whole thing. So we try to

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Speaker 4: get him on the right track and just like kind

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Speaker 4: of make it go. And and that's one of them

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Speaker 4: things I say, Yo, y'all gotta watch this, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, because Clarence was instrumental in a lot

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Speaker 4: of people that y'all didn't really know. I mean, so yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you know, build with it. You know. The thing

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Speaker 4: with Bill is he didn't really put out a huge catalog.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't really massive, but those songs are probably some

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Speaker 4: of the most recurrent songs through decades.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's one of the greatest poets we've ever had music.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I remember if you got to see his

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Speaker 5: documentary I'm I Am Bill or something like that. And

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Speaker 5: even when he speaks, he doesn't talk much, but every

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Speaker 5: time he speaks there's poetry in it. There's so much

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Speaker 5: meaning and value to his words that he doesn't waste.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't waste words, you know, and that that was

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Speaker 5: something that I really appreciated about him.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of people's favorite too. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's actually a sting one of sing's favorite artists. Him

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Speaker 4: and I we'd be on stage together, we'd be doing

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Speaker 4: songs like yeah Wow because the lyrics.

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Speaker 5: Musically and lyrically, he's just one of the best.

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Speaker 6: What genre would look and lovely fall under the.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what it is. I think I was

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Speaker 5: We think it's like grown, you know, it's grown and sexy.

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Speaker 5: But it's got the Caribbean influence and most of my

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Speaker 5: records playing on urban AC, so I think there's a

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Speaker 5: home for it there but there's also you know with

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Speaker 3: When he crosses over, it plays everywhere.

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Speaker 5: And when I hear it, I feel like I'm on

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Speaker 5: vacation with the Pinicoladas, you know what I mean. It

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Speaker 5: anytime we can just have a it's just meant to

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Speaker 5: you feel It does a feel good record.

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Speaker 4: But in my history of doing records, you know, when

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Speaker 4: you're reggae, there's you know, my hearts got one eight

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Speaker 4: hundred station, how many of them a regae station? Zero?

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Speaker 4: So how did the guy like me get on on

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Speaker 4: radio with that many hits and sold that many records

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Speaker 4: over the years. Is really because I put these records

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Speaker 4: that once something happened and it becomes huge, it kind

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Speaker 4: put me. That's kind of a it's like, well, he's reggae,

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Speaker 4: he's poppy.

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Speaker 5: When I first came out and they didn't they wouldn't

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Speaker 5: play me at Pop rated, so they said, let's try

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Speaker 5: them at Urban AC let's your own black radio.

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Speaker 3: And that's where I broke.

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Speaker 5: Was Yeah, in d C on on urban AC radio,

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Speaker 5: where Lost Without You broke, And that's that's where I've

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Speaker 1: That's that sucks to though, because when you think of

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Speaker 1: a song called Lost Without You, we used to have

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Speaker 1: the quiet storm. Yeah, that used to matter, you know

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Speaker 2: And and throughout the day now you hear R and

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Speaker 5: Were killed and hell yeah, but you're trying to make

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Speaker 4: But to the point of it, you know, when a

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Speaker 4: But when it started starting on mixed shows and some

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Speaker 4: dance all and then ended up just becoming and then

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Speaker 1: So when you got R and B and you know,

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Speaker 1: reggae dance hall, what did you discover about where those

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Speaker 1: two worlds like naturally meet.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm i am. I am naturally a hybrid guy.

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Speaker 4: I think, I Meanstik was talking about this. I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, hybrid is what ship's culture like. If I'm

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Speaker 4: If I'm gonna do music just like those who are

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Speaker 4: the hell am I to think that I could do

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Speaker 4: it better? Those guys are masters of their craft. I

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Speaker 4: gotta literally find a way that is me, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean. When I came to Old Carolina back

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Speaker 4: and people I was criticized heavy for it. It was like, yoh,

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Speaker 4: you know he's doing this. What kind of music is

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Speaker 4: this is? You know, cross the crossovers, water down and

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Speaker 4: Bob Marley was the same thing. And I mean you

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Speaker 4: look at Bob Marley where they had session musician that

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Speaker 4: overdubbed rap, session musician overdubbed that overdubs on him, rap

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Speaker 4: And Chris Blackwell told me that there is old documentary

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Speaker 4: recordings are now the blueprint of what record music is

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and even hybrid. You look

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So to me, you just

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Speaker 4: did my album that's coming out. This record is also

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Speaker 4: really me betting on myself because I've always betted on myself.

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Speaker 4: You imagine me being in a record company on a

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Speaker 4: Coming it was the first dance dance all number one

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Speaker 4: of the British Dark Mister Boombasket is the first regular

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Speaker 5: My seven year old daughter just started saying randomly at breakfast, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you got too much stuff.

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Speaker 1: When I y'all talk about music, man, y'all sound like scientists.

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Speaker 4: It is calculated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for me, I don't feel like people have that

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know what I think. We're living in

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's always every generation we have that

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Speaker 5: There's always like you look at Olivia Dean, I mean

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Speaker 5: that's you know, there's there's They're these artists that are

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Speaker 5: and that stuff lasts the test of time otherwise, you know,

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Speaker 5: some of it is just supposed to make you feel

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Speaker 5: But the real artists that are coming from their heart

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Speaker 4: The love ones with the love you got that love

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Speaker 4: for it, you'll find that real be obsessed. When I

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Speaker 4: think about AI, too of people are talking about AI.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I think it's actually going to be good

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Speaker 4: in a way because it's going to really let the

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Speaker 4: cream rise to.

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Speaker 2: The top because you can't replicate that soul. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So so the mediocrity that people just go do

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Speaker 4: that quick thing, they're gonna have problems.

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Speaker 5: And it's there's something karmically to skip things steps. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you six steps and you try to you know,

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Speaker 5: of things. You can get that first push, but to last,

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Speaker 5: you really have to have a craft and an obsession

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Speaker 3: Day, and I might have a good time.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's more fun being grateful. I think gratitude makes

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Speaker 3: But then you've already missing the whole point. You're already

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Speaker 5: Actually we went number my first number one on reggae.

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Speaker 5: It feels great. You know, I can't say because you

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Speaker 1: When I started listening to afro beats, like I really

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, No, it's deep.

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Speaker 4: The funniest thing is if you look at dance all,

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Speaker 4: And what he what El Henro used to do was

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Speaker 1: When you when you, when you when you are responsible

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Speaker 4: No? No, because I think that in my game of this,

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Speaker 4: It's incredible because do you know this game is a

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean from a highest being, Because

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00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 4: if I wrote, I'd be right one every week. Trust me.

438
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,360
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, but it's like a tool. Like you know,

439
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,159
Speaker 4: somebody you might be building a house to four walls

440
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,159
Speaker 4: and seemen on concrete and you reach the roof and

441
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 4: you you need a hammer, and I said, I ain't

442
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 4: got no money, and here's here's boom basting. Now you

443
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 4: can build three house and cover everybody you go on tour.

444
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 4: There's you know, three hundred to five hundred people which

445
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 4: are riggers and truck drivers and concession stand people. That's

446
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 4: that's you know, three to five hundred electric bills, cool fee,

447
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 4: you know, mortgages, and one of them might go to

448
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,679
Speaker 4: an Ivy League school and find a cure for cancer.

449
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 4: You're part of an equation. So I look at myself

450
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,199
Speaker 4: as everything that I do as a servant, and my

451
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 4: job is really to touch people's lives and change it.

452
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 4: You know, I wrote hot Shot. It was letting people

453
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 4: that bought homes and started their lives. You know what

454
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I mean, I'll talk to half the motherfuckers anyway.

455
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, but it doesn't matter you you really change.

456
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 4: It's about changing people's lives. So I found there's a

457
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 4: there's a moment in your life when you find purpose.

458
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 4: And when I got that purpose, I was like, okay,

459
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 4: this has not started feeling better by myself. I wasn't

460
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 4: worried because I got you know, I got jerked and

461
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 4: and you know, my career coming up with people and

462
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 4: money and management and all that I've done it. I

463
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 4: don't worry about that anymore because I found purpose.

464
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: Do you remember, Robin, when you found purpose?

465
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 3: Uh?

466
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 5: Well, you know I was pretty self obsessed, uh, you know,

467
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 5: trying to make it for a long time and make

468
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 5: my dad and impress my parents and those things that

469
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 5: we try to do. But yeah, when my when my

470
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 5: kids were born, and especially when my daughters were born,

471
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 5: I found a new purpose. I think I just kind

472
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 5: of morphed into my life being about me into being

473
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 5: about their you know, their futures and so. And it's

474
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 5: nice because they say that purpose is the most important

475
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 5: thing why we wake up every day, you know, why

476
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 5: we wake up and keep going. And I might have

477
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 5: given up on myself at some point, but I can't

478
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 5: give up. Well, I can't give up on Michael.

479
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

480
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 5: I say might, but you know, sometimes when you feel

481
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 5: like giving up, you just feel like I don't know

482
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 5: if I can do this anymore. I'm facing too much harshness.

483
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 5: And then but the kids, they just nothing. I've never

484
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 5: been loved more by anything in this world or needed

485
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 5: more than I.

486
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: Am from my kids. So they give me.

487
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 5: I wake up at six am every morning with purpose

488
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 5: thanks to them.

489
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: You know.

490
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 6: And the album that you're working on, is it therapeutic

491
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 6: for you?

492
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that's the thing.

493
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 5: The songs that were fluff, that weren't about that, that

494
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 5: purpose just didn't seem to matter on the album anymore.

495
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 5: So all the songs that are geared towards the family

496
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 5: survival and sticking together and staying together, That's what all

497
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 5: the songs matter to me.

498
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: How does they reflect where you are musically now versus

499
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: like the Robin think we heard a decade, Well.

500
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 5: It's still it's you know, I'm always trying to make

501
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 5: black music, you know what I mean.

502
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make soul music.

503
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 5: I'm trying to I mean, that's what I grew up on,

504
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 5: That's who I love, and those are my favorite singers.

505
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: I'm always trying to be a part of that culture.

506
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: Uh So, you know, and and I like making love songs.

507
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: I mean, in the end, it's it's they're almost all

508
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 5: geared towards making love, work and making love.

509
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 2: Last do you hear how Robin Think answered that.

510
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: Robin Think say, I'm always trying to make black music,

511
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: he said, He's I forgot how you said, but you

512
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: said you're part of a culture I want to be.

513
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean, and I think that's why

514
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 5: I have some barbecue status.

515
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: Because I don't. I don't. I still have never.

516
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 5: I did one song where I chased pop music and uh,

517
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 5: and I don't perform it live, you know what I mean,

518
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 5: because it's just not who I who I am.

519
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: I brought it up because you know, Jack Hallow he

520
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: just put out like a he's calling it a neo soul.

521
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah yeah, R and B album, And he did an.

522
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: Interview and he said that the music made him blacker

523
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: or something like that, like like, like, what are your

524
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: thoughts on the situation as as a white person who's

525
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: been accepted in the space for so long?

526
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 5: Well, for me, I think that's just you know, it

527
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 5: all starts from inspiration.

528
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 3: You know.

529
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 5: I grew up in the Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson Prince

530
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 5: which in Houston eighties. You know what I mean so

531
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 5: to me that that was the pinnacle of art and

532
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 5: of greatness, and Michael Jordan, I mean all that.

533
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: So those are the people I had on my wall, you.

534
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 5: Know, And so I've I've always, honestly and from the

535
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 5: bottom of my heart, wanted to be a part and

536
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: be accepted into that world and culture because I respect

537
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 5: and admire and love it so much.

538
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: And I also think that what helps you with the

539
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: music was good. Yes, so disrespect the jack.

540
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: The music ain't that good, Like the music has to

541
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: be good.

542
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: Especially if you are of another race doing that music.

543
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: They got to hear it and be like, oh that's

544
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: a bot.

545
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, no, you know, you can't. You can't

546
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 5: fool it, you know what I mean, you got to

547
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 5: you gotta come come real. But I think what he's

548
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 5: doing is I think it still shows love for the game.

549
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 5: It still shows love for the culture, and then everybody else.

550
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: It's all perspective after that.

551
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, how did you feel shaty when you first

552
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: heart Snow?

553
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you broad of that because Jamaica, but

554
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: in itself has always been a culture. I find uh.

555
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: In certain other cultures it's it has to be them

556
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: alone and not someone else, you know what I mean.

557
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 4: Jamaica is one of the few, and reggae he's one

558
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 4: of the few cultures that embraces everybody. There's a guy

559
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: called Naki. I don't know if you've heard of this guy.

560
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: He's a Japanese dance all artist. It was massive, it

561
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: was massive, came to Jamaica, came to Jamaica and he

562
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: literally dominated Jamaica people. He would walk up on the

563
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 4: biggest stage shows and Ripert. It's another guy called Dominic

564
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: was a white English dance all DJ. Used to come

565
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: down there and come on sun Splash and he comes

566
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 4: unstaying on all the roughest stages and we just pick

567
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: him up, pure fan, you know. And you got Apatche Indian,

568
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: who is a guy that the dance all. He did

569
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: a song called Bom Shakaalac was a massive number one

570
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: globally and he got the whole Indian market to come

571
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 4: turn onto dance hall on reggae.

572
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 3: You know.

573
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, if you look at all the big

574
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: reggae bands right now, they're all white. One of umber said,

575
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 4: you're the biggest reggae band right And I think his revolution,

576
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: you know, out of California. You know what I mean.

577
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, Uh take for instance, the ones that

578
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 4: sold over ten millions red red wine with uh U

579
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 4: me me white. You know what I mean. If you

580
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: think about the Police, who was you know, kind of

581
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: a reggae band, Yeah, sure, white, you know what I mean,

582
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: and even things that and say yeah, you know we

583
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 4: got played because we were white. We got on radio.

584
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You look at uh you

585
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 4: know Ace of Base, another white white band. Matter of fact,

586
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 4: me and Sempa is only probably two Me and Bob

587
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: only two big diamond sellers that were Jamaican. Jamaican, you

588
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But we as a culture have

589
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 4: always embraced it. They come to Jamaica and we love

590
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 4: them just the same because or motto it's on my

591
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: ring where you see these that is the crest of Jamaica.

592
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 4: What it says is out of many one people. So

593
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 4: my grandmother was white. You know what I mean. You

594
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 4: see a Chinese guy look straight Chinese and welcome and.

595
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: Say oh shock everything.

596
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, and I mean, just like you know

597
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: what I mean, we are used to that. The guy

598
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: in my school, a primary school admit was this Chinese

599
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: guy and this Indian guy and this. You know, you

600
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: got Jewish people, you got everything. It's all there. That's

601
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: why it's out of anyone. When one uh one people

602
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: and it's kind of out of any one. Music and

603
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 4: the same if the earlier days you saw the stones

604
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 4: used to be down in Jamaica. All these people used

605
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 4: to come down there and they make record and embraces that.

606
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, he would sing every breath you take,

607
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: and and some of those earlier songs were all written

608
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 4: in Jamaica. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, So

609
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 4: I'm just saying we as a culture have always been that,

610
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I see in some cultures

611
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: where you know, there'll be one one set of people,

612
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 4: don't like the set of people and just a bit

613
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: like free. Even in Africa, your life, you would remember

614
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: the whole controversy one of for instance, Tyler, you know

615
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: what I mean, she's from and then you have other

616
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: people in another side of like well she ain't the

617
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: real thing. Weird like we just embrace it all, you

618
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: know what I mean, and just kind of bring it

619
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: so for me, you know, I embrace all of that,

620
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 4: you know, and that because That's how I ended up

621
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: blowing up. Also, it is me going doing music. I

622
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: couldn't have gotten on radio unless I started to sample

623
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: like you know, Marvin Gay and put it on the

624
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: on the boombastic, you know what I mean, or Peter

625
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: Guns or Green Onions and and get on radio. I

626
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: had to do those kinds of things.

627
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: To clear okay, as long as you clear it, okay,

628
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: you see, that's the problem.

629
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 4: When you don't clear it. I mean, and we got

630
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: Bill with us right now, but we cleared it, you

631
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Shout out to his estate man

632
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: and his wife is lovely, you know what I mean. Robin.

633
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: Did all the controversy around blurred lines impact you creatively

634
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: in any way?

635
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sure it does.

636
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 5: It's whether it's subliminal or you know, or overt.

637
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: But I think in the end, I don't really.

638
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: I always have to have enough faith in myself that

639
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 5: another great song is coming, the next great song is coming.

640
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 3: Just keep feeling, keep sharing.

641
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 5: Luckily, you know, I can sing so sometimes, Like with

642
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: this record, I really didn't add that much writing.

643
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: He sent me the record.

644
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: I was like, man, this sounds this sounds great. I

645
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: would love, you know, let me just sing this and

646
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: see how I sound on it. And you know, like

647
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: I said, we're not reinventing the wheel with this one,

648
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: but with but I do.

649
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: I do.

650
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 5: Just keep telling myself, today could be the day you

651
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 5: write another loss without you. Today could be the day

652
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: you write another sweetest love or whatever, one of your best.

653
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 5: And so you just keep hitting the piano and keep

654
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 5: hitting it, you know, and then sooner or later something

655
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 5: will come up and.

656
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: You got that kind of catalog. I mean, you can

657
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: eat forever.

658
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

659
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all performance, but it's the loveg you just

660
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: told me about in the damn dressing room all in

661
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: rerecches he used to write before he blew up. Well, yeah,

662
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: a lot.

663
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: Of people want to know that.

664
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: I started at sixteen as a writer. So so I

665
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: wrote for Brandy, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Mark Anthony, Michael Jackson.

666
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: I knew that was.

667
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: All before I released my own music.

668
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I started very early.

669
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 5: Yeah I heard that I got really I never wrote

670
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: the hit song, but I was on their biggest albums.

671
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: I was on Mark Anthony's biggest album. I was on

672
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 5: Christine Pink's biggest album.

673
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: Brandy's biggest album. So I got really lucky early on.

674
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: So you know who buying lunch today.

675
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: That's some of my favorite artists.

676
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: That's what's up Robins.

677
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now, the evolution of Robin think

678
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 6: and sex therapy.

679
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: No skip albums like.

680
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: Thank You, the new one, that's what I'm working on

681
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 5: the new one. I'm making sure there's no skips.

682
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: That's why.

683
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: That's why you take long to do them. That's why

684
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 4: you got to make sure.

685
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: I said you wrote on Color Me Bads.

686
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: I did. I wrote Color Me Bads.

687
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: They were there when they came out with their new

688
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: album and we had the first singles called sexual something

689
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 5: sexual kind he kind of and I was working with them.

690
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: I was sixteen.

691
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Was the least thing of that group.

692
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: I forgot to forget their names.

693
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he got He kind of walked so you

694
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: could run because he was like the first white guy

695
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: we saw that head because that was a real because

696
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: that was a New Jack City soundtrack.

697
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 5: That was not just a white group making a black

698
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 5: They want a black film that you know, and Andre

699
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: herrel My mentor produced produced that movie's New Jack City.

700
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: So so that was Yeah.

701
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: It's a hard putting out music when somebody like Andre

702
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: isn't here because I know you did run a lot

703
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: of stuff by him.

704
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was He was my lifetime creative partner. And

705
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 5: not just that, but I realized that a lot of

706
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 5: the people I thought were my friends were just his friends.

707
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: Andre passed like that, you don't want to come to

708
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: my birthday party?

709
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 5: But no, I realized that everybody loved Andre. People like me,

710
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 5: but everybody loved Andre because he was so helpful and

711
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: informative and inspiring. And every time he saw somebody, he

712
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: would tell you something that would help your life and career.

713
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: He would just give away free knowledge.

714
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: Everybody's a hustler, especially out here in New York, and

715
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 5: then I gonna give you any advice for free would

716
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: and help your career without getting something from it. He

717
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 5: just gave away knowledge all day along everywhere he went.

718
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: He helps people. And so for me, if I to

719
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 5: get naws on my new record.

720
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Dre, where are you at? I need you to call

721
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: naws for me. You know what I mean?

722
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: He had everybody, So I do miss not just the

723
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: knowledge he would give me while I'm making the records,

724
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: Like you need some horns on this and need some

725
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: horns you know, just those little things he would tell

726
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: me that would help me take my records from one

727
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: notch to the next. But really his friendship and his

728
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 5: guidance and his connections and everything I missed.

729
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: He was like my second father, you know.

730
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: He taught me how to walk and talk like I

731
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 5: remember when I first started performing, he went up on

732
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: the stage ground but.

733
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: You need to do this and come over here and

734
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: walk over here.

735
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: And do a shake and do like. He taught me

736
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: how to dress.

737
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: The guy taught me, I tell.

738
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: You to me.

739
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: We met a guy named Pete Farman.

740
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 5: He was coming to LA to start a new label

741
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 5: with Babyface called New America, and he had a young

742
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 5: singer who was more like a like a dancer who

743
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: could sing, you know, from down in Orlando. And he

744
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: came to listen to records for that guy, and I

745
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: played him a couple of songs and I sang live,

746
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: and he was like, wait a second, are you.

747
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 4: Making an album?

748
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: So from that moment.

749
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: We just started working on my album and he became

750
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: my best friend.

751
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: From that moment on.

752
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Wow, hey y'all calling back man, all the people that

753
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: was ignoring Robin after Andre, you do have the kind

754
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: of name you got to delete out of a phone,

755
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: or Robin because if you forget that E.

756
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: And your girls see that Robin Robin.

757
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: I do wonder how do collaborations like this help y'all

758
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: stay creatively fresh?

759
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

760
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 4: For me, man, I don't, Mike. If you look the

761
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: track record of my collaborations are normally I use like

762
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 4: just regular artists, new artists coming up, like you know,

763
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: you know, Angel was me and Ray Vaughn uh and

764
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: Ra wasn't a big artist or anything like that. But

765
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: we did Big Up and we did h Angel, and

766
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: we did Summertime and those were all you know, hit records.

767
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: And then we I did and it wasn't me. I

768
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: did Rick Rock, who is also an unknown artist. Recently,

769
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: I did Banana over two billion stream with an unknown

770
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: artist by the name of a Conqueror. So I always find,

771
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: you know, go down there with Spie with Spice, a

772
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: big artist. But you know what I mean, I always

773
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: just go with local artists because that's where my access was.

774
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: And sometimes I can't deal with the drama of dealing

775
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: with the big artists because it comes with you know, well,

776
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: I want four first class teas tickets for my assistant

777
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: and my dogs, and you know it's like, I'm yo, bro,

778
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Uh So most of my

779
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: collaborations come from just just sheer friendship.

780
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: You know.

781
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: I struck up a friendship with Robin and uh I

782
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: must say I even said it to you when you

783
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: walked into that shook an. I said, it's great. It's

784
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 4: refreshing to be promoting the record with a guy that's

785
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: pro like, like he shows up on time, he just

786
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 4: he does roll with a bunch of people. He just

787
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: comes in, he tells you all this off he's going

788
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: to do, and just just beyond it. I'm not used

789
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: that even on local artists that I've been I mean,

790
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: I'm seeing thirty people walk in with him. It was like, yo,

791
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: what we're doing? You know what I'm saying. So it's

792
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: based on friendship. Like with me and Sting, we're genuine friends.

793
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a friendship.

794
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I gotta be honest, And I think

795
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: the reason that a lot of people can last, or

796
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: that some people last in this business is who they are,

797
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: you know, and is a great guy you know, and

798
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 5: he's he's just a great human being. He's kind, he's

799
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 5: warm hearted, he makes great music, you know. I joked

800
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 5: that like Jaggi's music is like donuts. It's like it's yummy.

801
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 5: It tastes good, it makes you feel good. Everybody loves donuts.

802
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: Shaggy's music just tastes good and feels good.

803
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: Thank you sir. Yeah, I appreciate that.

804
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: And what I mean for me this kind of a record,

805
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: and the reason I did it is it's a nice

806
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 5: bridge for me, Like, you know, because there's so much

807
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: pressure when you're putting out a new project, especially you

808
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: haven't put out nothing out in years and blah blah blah.

809
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: So I'm holding on to this album. I'm a little nervous.

810
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make the visual visuals. I'm trying to

811
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: get everything right, but I'm scared. This record gives me

812
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 5: a little bit of okay, we on the charge. People

813
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 5: feeling it, they like it okay. It gives me a

814
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 5: little momentum, you know, I can I can hop on

815
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 5: the train with my news stuff and feel a little

816
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 5: extra confidence instead of sitting home going I don't know

817
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 5: if anyone's going to get this or like it.

818
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: Maybe I shouldn't put it out.

819
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 5: So having a nice just feel good record now gives

820
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 5: me more confidence.

821
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: And it's good to share the load. You know what

822
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying, It's good to share the load.

823
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, with mister.

824
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: Sand that's crazy talk, boss.

825
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 3: Man.

826
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: I totally, we totally messed up because my mom was

827
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 5: telling me a story the other day where she tried

828
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 5: to make sure that I had a name that you

829
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 5: couldn't make fun of at school.

830
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 3: And then when they gave the lady the name Robin Allen.

831
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 5: Thick, she came back and she goes, so, how is

832
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 5: our little rat?

833
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: She goes, oh, no, we named him all right.

834
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 5: Sounds like but I I messed up even worse.

835
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 2: I messed up even worse.

836
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: My my wife's middle name is Love. Her name is

837
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 5: April Love. Right, so we decided to give my daughter

838
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 5: the middle name Love after her mom. But then we

839
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 5: didn't realize that her name is me A Love Thick.

840
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: She gonna go to school with me a Love dick.

841
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: My god, high school experience.

842
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: I do want to know, Robert before we get out

843
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: of here. Why are you scared?

844
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: What are you scared of?

845
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think it's just a natural feeling

846
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: of of when you've had ups and downs and you

847
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 5: and you wonder how people are going to respond, and

848
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: you just want to get it right.

849
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: You want to connect again.

850
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 5: You know that that that time when Evolution was out

851
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: and what I was saying was connecting and it was

852
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 5: helping people with the toughest times in their lives and

853
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: their relationships. That's why I wrote it because it helped

854
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 5: me with my toughest times. So you want that connection

855
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 5: to happen again. And if the first single doesn't hit,

856
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 5: they stop spending money, and.

857
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: Then the blah blah and then the record and the.

858
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: Other songs that have a lot of you know, true

859
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: and importance to you, they don't get heard, you know,

860
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 5: So so I just want.

861
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: To get it right.

862
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: And this at least is like it's just a nice quest,

863
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 5: you know.

864
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: It's just a swing out.

865
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 5: To the fences to go, hey, we're out here, we're

866
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 5: making music, we're feeling good, we're having a good time.

867
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 5: And then I can follow this with my own stuff.

868
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know what success looks like nowadays though.

869
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: It Is it a billion of streams? Is it a

870
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: number one record?

871
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: Like?

872
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.

873
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: How I feel it is, I've had I have a

874
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 4: fan base, Uh, and when I'm I tour a lot

875
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: because I do it because I love it. I mean,

876
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 4: I'm a guy that if you ask me what part

877
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: of the whole business I like. You know, I write

878
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: great songs. I'd be in the studio, but I love touring.

879
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: I like being in front of an audience. It's the

880
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: most honest and raw feeling that you could get. Their

881
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: opinions is real when it's coming at you, and I

882
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: have to feed that and they want music from me, right,

883
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter whether it's a stream or not.

884
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 4: When I go out there and I'm singing, my audience

885
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 4: is front in front of me and they're loving and

886
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 4: singing that song with me, that's winning for me. That's

887
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 4: my success. Now. If it hits a charge and that

888
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: goes up and all that, it's it's fun. I've had

889
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 4: records that albums that my favorite album is not the

890
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: big selling album that I do un hotshot, you know

891
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: what I mean. I have all the albums and was like, Yo,

892
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: this is just way better, you know what I mean? And

893
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: I do it. But my fans that are in front

894
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: of me, they know those records, and to me, that's

895
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: feeding the beast. That's what the success is for me.

896
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 6: And that's what I wanted to say to you, Robin.

897
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 6: I think it's the impact, right, what success for you

898
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 6: would be because even going back to the evolution of

899
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 6: Robin think my parents were going through a little crazy

900
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 6: time in their marriage and that album or constant repeat,

901
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 6: no skip with you know what I'm saying, that's how

902
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 6: I listened to Oh and then you had sex, came

903
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 6: back up, followed up with sex therapy, and I think

904
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 6: that's where you were and at that point in your

905
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 6: life to make that type of music. So where you're

906
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: at now, where you saying you're holding on to the

907
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 6: album because you know you're scared and everything. I think

908
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 6: who you are, just your authentic self, like a lot

909
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 6: of people are going.

910
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: Through what you're what you're speaking through this album. Yeah,

911
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: so just drop that shit.

912
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: No I am, it's it's ready. It's I think this was.

913
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: But you know how God works in mysterious ways. I

914
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 5: had a hiccup with a distribution company. So I was

915
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: working on a new distribution company and I was wondering,

916
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 5: I'm like, why is it taking so long? While I

917
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 5: feel like I'm sitting still, And then this happened. And

918
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 5: now this might be exactly what God was having me

919
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 5: wait for, because now I've got I've got shaggy, I

920
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: can ride his coat tails for a minute, you know

921
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 5: what I mean. Get out here, do some interviews, get

922
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 5: the new record out, and then I can feel that

923
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 5: confidence building to go, Okay, now I'm coming back with

924
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 5: my own stuff.

925
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: You know. So I think it all helps.

926
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 5: You know, everything one one's success begets another success and

927
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 5: confidence and momentum all all matters.

928
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: You know, how did you know when you wanted to

929
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: get married again?

930
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 5: Well, you know, we had a lot of love very early,

931
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: and we wanted to start a family early. So we

932
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 5: had three kids in three years, and so it was

933
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: more TV Netflix. Yeah, we were netflick and no chill,

934
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: you know, but yeah, I think that. I mean, we

935
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 5: were together, so it wasn't really about the marriage as

936
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: much as we wanted to start a family. And then

937
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 5: once we had the three kids, I wanted to wait

938
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 5: until the kids were old enough to see us get

939
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 5: married because if they got married, if we get married

940
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 5: when they're one years old, they don't have any recollection

941
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 5: of memory. But at least they were six and seven

942
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 5: years old, So the girls got to walk the aisle

943
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 5: and you know, and all that.

944
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: So now it's a real memory for.

945
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 4: The whole family that close behind each you get no sleep.

946
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: It was not close in age behind you. It's crazy,

947
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: but you gotta love it.

948
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: And for me, like I said, like, this is the

949
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 5: time of my life where this is what gives me.

950
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: Joy.

951
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: It makes me want to be a better man and

952
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 5: do the right thing every day. So it's the right

953
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 5: time for the right reason.

954
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: And I heard you mentioned earlier that you know, you

955
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: your parents had gotten divorce and you didn't want to

956
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: recreate that.

957
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: So do you feel like, I don't know a failure, Well.

958
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 5: I already did, yeah, because Paula didn't work. But our

959
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: son is thriving and doing great. She's an incredible mom.

960
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: I trying to be an incredible dad, and so now

961
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that again, especially with three kids.

962
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 5: And I made and that didn't work, and so it's

963
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: just about and you learn, you know, you learn that

964
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 5: there's some things I could have done better and some

965
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 5: things were just meant to be. Like I do love

966
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: my life and I love that I have three extra kids,

967
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 5: you know, and that wasn't something that necessarily Paul and

968
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: I were going to do is have more children. So

969
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 5: it all worked out and the best way for us separately.

970
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think you just you're learning along the way,

971
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 5: you know, And like I said, the harder things get,

972
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: once you get through that, you're only stronger and you're

973
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: only better, you know, and you love yourself more. I

974
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: think this is finally the period of my life where

975
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: I'm learning to just love myself as opposed to search

976
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 5: for love from everyone else and search for affirmation. You know,

977
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: the guys that I the patriarchs that I wanted to

978
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: impress and hang out with, are gone. So now you know,

979
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: it's like it's all up to me to try to

980
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: find that inspiration and and and do it for my

981
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 5: kids so they can have a great life and lead

982
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 5: by example. That's the thing that I realized I was

983
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: messing up, is I got a lead by example. You

984
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 5: can't just tell them what to do and then go

985
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 5: act like a fool. You have to lead by example

986
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: when you're a parent, and I.

987
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: Guess nobody ever talked about that when it comes to

988
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: you when you think about.

989
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Probably the levels of grief you experienced, right.

990
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 5: Your father and I do a speech on stage. I

991
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 5: had these years where I got divorced, ensued. Then my

992
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: father passed, then my manager passed, then my house burned down.

993
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 5: What then Andrea Herrel passed. That was five years in

994
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 5: a row of tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy.

995
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: And you know, I almost That's what I was saying.

996
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: I almost lost.

997
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: It was looking into my kids' faces every day and saying,

998
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 5: you know, this is worth being your very best for them.

999
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: What do you think God was trying to show you?

1000
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: I think God was saying, you've had it fairly easy

1001
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: up till now. Even though you thought you struggled, struggled internally,

1002
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 5: you've still had a good father, a good mother, uh

1003
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 5: you know, good schools, lots of friends, a nice voice,

1004
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And so I think that

1005
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 5: that was just who are you when when you're challenged?

1006
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 5: Who are you when the road gets rough?

1007
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: You know?

1008
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 5: And now I've found out that I like myself better

1009
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 5: now that I went through those times than I did

1010
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 5: when I hadn't gone through them and thought I deserved more.

1011
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 5: I was entitled to a certain life. Now I don't

1012
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 5: feel that I'm entitled to anything. I feel like I

1013
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 5: have to earn everything. I get therapy, Yeah, a little

1014
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: bit of therapy, uh, you know, and yeah yeah there,

1015
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 5: but yeah, but.

1016
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: Help ye yeah.

1017
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 5: I think it's just you know, you got to look

1018
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: in the mirror and you have to you have to

1019
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 5: really be honest with yourself, and you have to be

1020
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 5: able to say, you know what, you didn't handle that right,

1021
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 5: You could have done that better. You can change that

1022
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 5: about your personality. You got to own it. And lately

1023
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: I've really found it a place of calm and of

1024
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 5: peace and of patience that I think I'd never had before.

1025
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: You know, and the kids kind of bring that out

1026
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 5: of you because you see yourself and them once they

1027
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 5: start acting like you the bad side, I wait a second,

1028
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 5: that's me.

1029
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: You're doing it right now.

1030
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 5: So you just kind of fix yourself along the way.

1031
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Now, I truly do all that agent is good.

1032
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: It gives your perspective if you're lucky.

1033
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: To make it, and you know, I live I lived

1034
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 5: the rockstar lifestyle. And then you see Ozzy Osbourne and

1035
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 5: the way he lived and he only made it to

1036
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 5: seventy even though he tried to fix his health fifteen

1037
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 5: twenty years early. So you know, I'm approaching fifty, and

1038
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 5: you know, and for right now, I'm like, the only

1039
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 5: thing that matters is being around another thirty.

1040
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: It does catch up on you, though, Yeah, that s

1041
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: it is real. I find myself doing some things now

1042
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, I can't believe it. I don't drink,

1043
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: I don't smoke. I don't you know. I mean, I

1044
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: get up in the morning. I hit the gym really

1045
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: hard every morning. I'm like, even when I and I

1046
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 4: hate every all the people will be like, oh I

1047
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: feel great when I'm in the gym and I'm grud

1048
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: them suck.

1049
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 5: I just tried to change my diet, change my head,

1050
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 5: my priority, so being with my priority as opposed to

1051
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 5: does everyone love me?

1052
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: You know?

1053
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 4: But but your body tells you you kind of have

1054
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 4: to because after you start going certain things ain't starting

1055
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: to feel right. Once you make those changes, you realize

1056
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: how you just feel different. I was like, oh, well,

1057
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: I guess it's a life slight check. You know, that's

1058
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: what it is.

1059
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like that shacking? Do you ever

1060
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: feel like I need everybody to love me all the time?

1061
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: Like, No, I wasn't. I wasn't that kind of guy

1062
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: that that, you know, because I was always around people

1063
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: who kind of bring me down to make themselves feel better,

1064
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So it was always you know,

1065
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: oh you can't do it. Why can't you can't do it?

1066
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: You know?

1067
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: So that was my I had to get people to

1068
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: come into my life. Like I said, Sting came into

1069
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: my life. And and when you look at a guy

1070
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: that's Ture saying that you remember with me and men

1071
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: and he was like, yeah, you know, I'm at chegging

1072
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 4: and this guy's did you I'm like, what did you

1073
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: just say? It's just kind of like I'm a what

1074
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And I'm glad. I'm like,

1075
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: no one has ever said that to me. But to

1076
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 4: see this guy would say that, it was like, bro,

1077
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 4: you're one of the great. So now I'm doing a

1078
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: play right now, which is it's called The Last Ship

1079
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: with me and Sting Last Ship, the Last Ship, Like

1080
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: why would you hear ship? The Last Ship? And we

1081
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: did Amsterdam to get a sold out. We just came

1082
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 4: back from Paris, sold out him and me here in

1083
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: Junia in June. It's here at the met in June.

1084
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: You put a suit on the com it's about his childhood. Uh,

1085
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 4: you know, back in the days, they used to build

1086
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: ships and about eighty percent of the ships in the

1087
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: world used to be built out of there. And then

1088
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: after a while, just with you know, technology and uh economy,

1089
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: everything closed down and it's kind of like what's happening now,

1090
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 4: people losing their jobs based on on AI and stuff

1091
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: like that. So it's very related in that sense. And

1092
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: it's really a story about, you know, how those shipyard

1093
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: was closing. It's the last ship, and how everybody gathered

1094
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: around even though they was going to counselor ship, but

1095
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: everybody in the yard decided that we're going to finish

1096
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: this ship, you know what I mean. And even they

1097
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 4: worked without pay and did everything and went ahead and

1098
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: finished the ship. And there's also a love story in

1099
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: there to a guy and went back. So it was

1100
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 4: really really good. And I've never done theater before, and

1101
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: the Sting just called me and says, yo, you know,

1102
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 4: I wrote this role for you. I want you to

1103
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: be on it. And I'm like, yo, bro, I never

1104
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 4: what do you talk about? And it was like, nah,

1105
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 4: I could do it. And then you know, I mean,

1106
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: you can you imagine you know, these are trained actors. Yeah,

1107
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 4: you know, it was like, you know, but he believed

1108
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: in me so much, and I got like, you know,

1109
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: right when I was doing rehearsal, the hurricane happened in Jamaica,

1110
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: and so I had to go and you know, go

1111
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 4: do my thing there. So I couldn't do rehearsals. But

1112
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: I went on there and I had one dress rehearsal

1113
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: and the next day next one was a show and

1114
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: the next day was press day and I was went

1115
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: on there and I just kind of killed and then

1116
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: you gotta move.

1117
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

1118
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: Told you a couple of things that's working into So

1119
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: we're working on a couple of things here. Things are

1120
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 4: just coming to you. It's amazing coming to you, you know

1121
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: what I mean. And I'm just kind of like, you know,

1122
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 4: going in and out on it. But it's good. You

1123
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 4: got to come see that. It's at the MIT. Yeah,

1124
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 4: ninth to the fourteenth, you know what I mean. I'm

1125
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: going to Australia to we're doing Australia. I'm leaving in

1126
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 4: the end of this month of June, right and and

1127
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: uh next month I'm going into Australia for four weeks

1128
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: with the play. Also, so I'm doing the musical also,

1129
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of things, you know, it's this thing.

1130
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: Was one of those people who who really helped my confidence.

1131
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 4: You know, I man let me do things. I mean,

1132
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 4: the guy made me do a Sinatra album in reggae.

1133
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: What you know what, Charlamagne God, just have some things

1134
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: and put people in your way. I can't tell you

1135
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 4: why him and I went to do one song together.

1136
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 4: He walked and singing a song and then he looks

1137
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: at me and says, produce me, Shaggy, Uh, produce me

1138
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 4: the way you're supposed to because it's reggae and the

1139
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: man to cut them vocals. But in that session I

1140
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: ended up how we ended up having just way so

1141
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: much fun. It was more fun than work in the

1142
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: session that we walked out in there and said we

1143
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 4: don't want it to stop. And we just ended up

1144
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 4: moving from that to making an album and a tour.

1145
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 4: And then he's just like my best friend and I'm

1146
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 4: talking to her every week.

1147
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 5: And my wife yesterday she was like, you guys, she

1148
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: loves the new song because I didn't play it for

1149
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 5: it until it was done and it was out, and

1150
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 5: she says, I love the new song. You Shaggy should

1151
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 5: do more records together. Absolutely, Maybe Shaggy just has that

1152
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: absolute effect on everybody.

1153
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: I mean, he comes in and everybody's called me about

1154
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: something else. Every new idea comes up is like, Shaggy,

1155
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 4: what do you think of this? Let's do this?

1156
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1157
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 4: And I'm you know, I'm like ultimate wingman. Let's go

1158
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: yeah whatever, And it's uncomfortable these position day But like me,

1159
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: where am I? I'm not a singer like that. But

1160
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 4: he was like, oh yeah, and taught me how you can't.

1161
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: I heard your singing records is strong man. I wouldn't even.

1162
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, but I was. I was always a dance

1163
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: all toasted, like you know what I mean. But I

1164
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: never really because I had people around me that if

1165
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: I come into a song where I'm singing, because I

1166
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: used to do background on some of my stuff, if

1167
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 4: I do today, people Mustard is like I think.

1168
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: I think Luthor Vandel, snow Angel.

1169
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 4: Just one big party when you're still young. I mean,

1170
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: it's it's singing. But for me, it's like people, it's like,

1171
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 4: you can't do that because I'm from the sound systems

1172
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: of dancing, you know. So, so he was a big

1173
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 4: big help in that man.

1174
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: My last question, what do each of you learn from

1175
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: working together that you'all will carry into future projects and

1176
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: and just in life period.

1177
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: I love I love Rob's professionalism. I said that to

1178
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: you multiple times, even though the phone you know it's

1179
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: it is so it makes me have hope in the

1180
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: game that there's this thing could still you know, satisfy me.

1181
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 4: And I'm inspired by how professional he is. I mean,

1182
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 4: you showed up in the video. It came to the

1183
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: video by himself. He just kind of rolled up and

1184
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 4: I was like, you just came out.

1185
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 5: I gave up my personal assistant money for school.

1186
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: My kids.

1187
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: He just showed up, boom, he did everything boom boom,

1188
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: and was out. I was like, yo, bro.

1189
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: You know I heard the ind of his documentary years

1190
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 5: ago that Chuck Berry was like that that he would

1191
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 5: just show up and all he had was his guitar

1192
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 5: case and he would just show up by himself, get

1193
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 5: with the house band, and go on to the next show.

1194
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 5: And I was like, that sounds like me, like I

1195
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: need is my voice and my suit.

1196
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 4: But it's inspirational, Like I'm like.

1197
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: And I got that from my dad. You know, my

1198
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 5: dad was a workaholic.

1199
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1200
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 5: I mean even when he was in his sixties, he

1201
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 5: would if he had something coming out, he would do

1202
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 5: a forty two radio show promotion campaign.

1203
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and fly all over the place.

1204
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 5: And and so I just learned from him, show up

1205
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: on time, treat people right, you know what I mean.

1206
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 5: And that's why working with Shaggy I love that too,

1207
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 5: because I've worked with a handful of people that I'm like,

1208
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 5: I don't want to work with them again, that's me.

1209
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 5: But he's just a great guy, that's easy going. He's

1210
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 5: a real, you know, real human being, and that makes

1211
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: a difference.

1212
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: That's a jewel right there.

1213
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, if somebody says you're

1214
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: a pleasure to work with.

1215
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: Oh you're always going to starting. But so much about

1216
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: surviving in this game is relationships important.

1217
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: When I got the mass singer the TV show, you know,

1218
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 5: I was coming off a little bit of the Blurred

1219
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 5: Lines drama and divorced and some of that stuff. So

1220
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 5: they met with me. They liked me, but they went

1221
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 5: and asked Nick Nick Cannon. Now Nick and I had

1222
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 5: done The Real Husbands of Hollywood with Kevin Hart, so

1223
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 5: we had that rapport. So when they asked Nick, what's

1224
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 5: it like working with Robin, he was like, Rob is

1225
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 5: the best.

1226
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna love working with him. And so if that

1227
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 3: wasn't the.

1228
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 5: Case, if I was a jerk on real husbands, then

1229
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have gotten mass singer. And so it's all

1230
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: them young cats out there, like it doesn't matter if

1231
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 5: you're at the height of your game or what.

1232
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: You gotta treat people right.

1233
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 4: Be nice on the way up, because you're gonna see

1234
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 4: them on the way down.

1235
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: This is the final question. Do you regret putting blur lines?

1236
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 3: Oh no, of course not.

1237
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 5: I mean still when I performed, that's that's the magic.

1238
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 5: Like I wait till the end and as soon as

1239
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 5: I go, everybody get up the from an R and

1240
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 5: B show to a dance show, you know, And so

1241
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 5: I think that it's more about my goal is to

1242
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 5: make the audience feel good. And that song is still

1243
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 5: one of the tops, you know, when I perform, that

1244
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 5: makes people feel good. So I don't care what else

1245
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 5: came with it, as long as the people feel it.

1246
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: There are many songs that I've done that I've lost

1247
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: one hundred percent. Publishing though you're not an angel.

1248
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1249
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you couldn't get dance all in regular on radio,

1250
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: so I had to use samples and interpolations to get

1251
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: on radio, you know what I mean, And so I knew.

1252
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 4: You know, they're like five avenues of income, you know

1253
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 4: what I mean. You got you got the writer's part, right,

1254
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 4: but then it's a new master, so you get in

1255
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: the master portion. You're getting the sings, you know what

1256
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: I mean, You're getting the sound exchange, you know, I mean,

1257
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: you're getting it. So you know it's nothing, it's it's okay. Yeah,

1258
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: you're losing the publishing part of it, but you still gain.

1259
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: And I gained a crime, and I mean, so for

1260
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: me it's a win, you know. I mean, so he

1261
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: could never look at that record in that way of

1262
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: like yo, because it change your life.

1263
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 5: And also the challenges that came after that have made

1264
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 5: me a stronger, better man, you know what I mean.

1265
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 5: And that's my point is that if I hadn't faced

1266
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 5: everything that came from Blurred Lines and after who knows where,

1267
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 5: I might have just lost my mind.

1268
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1269
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 5: But luckily I had to be grounded because life threw

1270
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 5: me some some challenges and some wrenches and then I went,

1271
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 5: like I said, five years in a row of tragedies.

1272
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 5: So for whatever reason that's happened to me, I like myself.

1273
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 5: I mean, i'd love to be, you know, back on

1274
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 5: top with another number one, But I like myself more

1275
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 5: now than I did.

1276
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Back then, And the grandest scheme of things, what happened

1277
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: with that song pales in comparison to everything else.

1278
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 5: Now for sure, because now my kids like that song

1279
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 5: won't nearly matter as much as my help that's helping

1280
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 5: pay for their school.

1281
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: Of zero is still zero.

1282
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 4: Bro, you know what I mean.

1283
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 3: So I'm not good at math. You know what I mean?

1284
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: If you when I'm saying, because some people might think that,

1285
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, because you lost the publishing, you lose, you

1286
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1287
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You got it. You still

1288
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: got the lion's chair. Last time you had a pizza,

1289
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: you have over fifty percent. You're still winning, you know

1290
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

1291
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: Zero.

1292
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm saying even that even though you might

1293
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: think that you didn't get one hundred percent of the record,

1294
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 4: you still you know what I'm saying. That's how I'm

1295
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: looking to be honest.

1296
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: With you.

1297
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying, but it don't matter, okay,

1298
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: because it's all about looking luckily.

1299
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: Yes, looking lovely in May. All right, we're gonna play

1300
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: looking lovely right now.

1301
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 5: You want to throw to a shaggy, let's do a shack.

1302
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: Were on the Breakfast Club, you know how we go.

1303
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: BIG's hilarious in the house. Yeah, we got Robin Thick

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Speaker 2: in the house.

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Speaker 4: God the Mage King isn't here, but YO, were gonna

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Speaker 4: drop it anyway, Yo, looking lovely, Shaggy, Robin Thick.

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Speaker 2: Turn up your radio. Make sure your.

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Speaker 4: Window's gotta be down to Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Hold every day a week. Pack your glass up the

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. You finishing, y'all done,