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Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's rapper, Hank Segue dies your boy
Speaker 1: and he's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What up is
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Speaker 1: with some of the biggest players in music and sport.
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Speaker 1: eud you know, Hay Hank Sechus, this is your Boy
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Speaker 1: blessed with the legendary so we gotta gotta make some
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, because the intro was crazy. This
Speaker 1: guy right here, like listen, listen, um, they have the
Speaker 1: they have the Godfathers, and this man is directly like
Speaker 1: my father in lyrics, like in in style, and I
Speaker 1: directly try to be like this man right here, and
Speaker 1: I send out the APB, try to make it happen.
Speaker 1: Let's pick up a Hakim Green off top channel last
Speaker 1: squark baddi is Um, we love you Hakim. But we
Speaker 1: got the blast Master, we got the teacher, we got
Speaker 1: the father directly templar hip hop all that, the Master,
Speaker 1: the dude who made it cool to learn earned in
Speaker 1: music and still be entertained. You could be smart and
Speaker 1: you could still dug it the funk out, yo. The
Speaker 1: other day, I'm gonna be honest, I'm watching right Along Too.
Speaker 1: And at the end of Right Along Too, my kids
Speaker 1: they are eight and they are six, and they sung,
Speaker 1: they said, whoa, whoa, this is the sign of the police.
Speaker 1: And at that moment, I knew I was a great father.
Speaker 1: I knew at that very moment I was a great father.
Speaker 1: When my kids knew the sign of the police. We
Speaker 1: have the one and only legendary. You can't say hip
Speaker 1: hop without caress One in the building. Drink man, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we are yo. You know what the crazy
Speaker 1: ship is. I'm gonna start the interview offs like this.
Speaker 1: When I was locked up in a juvenile detention center,
Speaker 1: I had a CEO who was taking care of me, right,
Speaker 1: he was, you know, holding me down, and he could
Speaker 1: have snucked me weed. He could have snucked me liquor.
Speaker 1: He could have snucked me books. But I wanted that
Speaker 1: criminal mind. This is real ship. This is you know,
Speaker 1: how much of a big caress fan. That's what the
Speaker 1: track I wanted to do is. I'm the biggest caress
Speaker 1: One fan. Man, Let's just make some noise for him
Speaker 1: being in the building. Come on, come on, come on, cheers, cheers, yo, yo,
Speaker 1: we got the fun up noise. Make it so blast
Speaker 1: master caress One. How does it feel to be in Miami?
Speaker 1: How long you've been coming out here? Man? Don't even yo, man,
Speaker 1: I've been coming to Miami since like eighties seven. We
Speaker 1: were coming up here, man, struggling, trying to be heard,
Speaker 1: and there was only a few places that actually like
Speaker 1: embraced us. Philly was always right there. Philly feel it Delfy,
Speaker 1: just the whole Philly that like, we went from New
Speaker 1: York to Philly. That so let me stop. So you
Speaker 1: think that New York artist is that like the first marketing?
Speaker 1: That's that is for me to like, Philly was the first,
Speaker 1: then Connecticut and and see you look how you said
Speaker 1: that Philly was the next, and then Connecticut. Connecticut is
Speaker 1: right on top, right there next to the Bronx. Philly
Speaker 1: would get it first. Philly would hit you first if
Speaker 1: you did New York and Philly, Connecticut yonkers all up,
Speaker 1: Boston was trying to see you. Maybe some of the
Speaker 1: South like that. So going down to a nine five
Speaker 1: man was like, I mean big up to v a
Speaker 1: North catallax South Carolina. It's it was sort of like
Speaker 1: the rights of passage. You had to get out of
Speaker 1: New York, go down each city, each state or nine five,
Speaker 1: and your final victory was Miami if you made it
Speaker 1: down man, See this is one MCS was real. Uh
Speaker 1: straight up, you have to do clubs. Let me take
Speaker 1: you to the nine Let's come around ninety two, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm Somewhere around nineties, right around the college was
Speaker 1: just start and he had a thing called the Temple
Speaker 1: and even before that, even before that, Oh yeah, mother Superior.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, actually I got you know what nerd
Speaker 1: war is. No, he's this guy who interviews people. He
Speaker 1: brings out props that would remind you of stuff. We're okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I got. Let's make some noise. Having
Speaker 1: autographed too, it's authentic, so you put that on. It
Speaker 1: was a show supposed to be at the Spot underground
Speaker 1: compound and it got shut down by the cops and
Speaker 1: we moved it to Zulu headquarters. There was no that
Speaker 1: a c wasn't on. He took the people were faking
Speaker 1: in the eyes and he started throwing these balls. That
Speaker 1: was crazy. That was ninety three. I was in high
Speaker 1: school at the least at the least. Right, well, let's
Speaker 1: started right there. That's way he's been coming to Miami
Speaker 1: since then, since then, breaking it down, crushing Miami. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't the hip hop scene out here back then.
Speaker 1: Back then Luke was the man out here. Two Live
Speaker 1: Crew was straight destroy in the South, like there was
Speaker 1: nothing else really happened, to be honest with you, But
Speaker 1: there was always that boom bap element in in. I
Speaker 1: mean just I just have to say Florida, because you
Speaker 1: know from Miami all the way up to what Tallahassee,
Speaker 1: even even Gainesville, Jacksonville, all that's boom bap that that's
Speaker 1: a hardcore up there. But Luke, But there was that
Speaker 1: divided for us in the city between the base scene
Speaker 1: and scene. That's right, There wasn't divide. I mean it
Speaker 1: had its own audience, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: had its own We've seen a lot as a New
Speaker 1: York thing, right, but we were trying to build that
Speaker 1: identity for ourselves. But I think it was way smaller.
Speaker 1: But I think the New York thing was way smaller.
Speaker 1: Two Live Crew. Look look that whole sound. So you're
Speaker 1: saying from the beginning when Two Live Crew came, the
Speaker 1: South immediately accepted them as opposed to new in New York,
Speaker 1: you had to be hot in New York. No, actually,
Speaker 1: you go to Philly. Wait a minute, the second part
Speaker 1: is true. Yes, you had to be hot in New
Speaker 1: York first to go to Philly. With the exception of
Speaker 1: like Tap Money three times, Dobe Uh, Steady b even
Speaker 1: Jazzy Jeff Fresh, Prince Uh, they blew up in Philly
Speaker 1: and convinced New York what it was. But you have
Speaker 1: um back then, the base scenes. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of dudes that were not so popular, but Miami had
Speaker 1: a base scene that let me and then with these
Speaker 1: dudes with so Luther Campbell and Two Live Crew was
Speaker 1: on top of that, they came up out of that scene.
Speaker 1: They didn't really invent it, but they was just sort
Speaker 1: of the pot feel the ones that that was doing it,
Speaker 1: and Luke was just I went to one of these
Speaker 1: concerts one night. You know, you wouldn't believe what was
Speaker 1: going on. And then on top of that, what makes
Speaker 1: it really really hip hop on on on that level
Speaker 1: is that Two Live Crew was was the ones that
Speaker 1: were dragged into court on obscenity charges and had they
Speaker 1: lost that case, Rock would be sounding a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Let's make some noise for that happening. Even when you're
Speaker 1: rolling the blunt man, stop and clap your hands. You
Speaker 1: had the black mass in the building, right, So, UM,
Speaker 1: you got that, you got that that thing, and I
Speaker 1: want to set up I play that play that real quick.
Speaker 1: I want to play something for you. One of the
Speaker 1: one of the greatest calls I ever got in my life.
Speaker 1: And um, it's set up past. It's Cool Hurt. What's up, brother,
Speaker 1: That's right, My brother was going on. Man, I just
Speaker 1: missed your call. Man, Man, I got you on speaking
Speaker 1: for him right now. Man, let them Let them dudes know. Baby,
Speaker 1: let the dudes. No, you're the Gulf for the hip hop.
Speaker 1: Cool Hurt number one. That's right, baby, you're the original
Speaker 1: o G. That's right. Baby. You know I love you absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know I love you to death. Cool Hirk Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Not in w all right, baby,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna take this off of this SI
Speaker 1: for me. You can speak private, but yo, man, just
Speaker 1: let the people know one more time. This is my
Speaker 1: Dyslexia album. Man, tell them niggas. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Where I got an album called Dyslexia? Man, thank you man.
Speaker 1: This this, this is the Godfather, Cool Hurt or the
Speaker 1: game speaking to your fucking assholes. Cool Hurt right here.
Speaker 1: And I'm the father and not the godfather. Secondary you
Speaker 1: the father the father? All right? My brother hold on,
Speaker 1: hit you right back? I Hurt, all right, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. So one day I got a
Speaker 1: call from cool Hurd, right, which is for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a real hip hop guy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I respect everything that came before me. And when Cool
Speaker 1: Hurd called me, I had called him something. I said,
Speaker 1: you're the godfather of hip hop. And I said it
Speaker 1: once and he let it slide. And then I said
Speaker 1: it again and he let it slide. But then the
Speaker 1: third time I said it, I said, Cool, let these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's no, you know, uh godfather hip hop? He said, Normy,
Speaker 1: hold on, let me stop you. I am the father.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that statement? Yes, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with the statement. There's there's huge debate on it, okay,
Speaker 1: because everyone wants to take credit for hip hop now
Speaker 1: for its origins. Uh, we call technically to be scholarly correct.
Speaker 1: Cool Hark is called the recognized father of hip hop,
Speaker 1: the recognized father of hip hop. We call him the
Speaker 1: father of hip hop. And the reason we call him
Speaker 1: the father of hip hop is because Bam called him
Speaker 1: the father of hip hop. Grandmaster has called him the
Speaker 1: father of hip hop. Peewee Dance and Grandmaster Flash from
Speaker 1: this group and Crazy Legs called him the father of
Speaker 1: hip hop. Now, this is a family situation. All these guys,
Speaker 1: we all know each other and they know it, but
Speaker 1: you're there, younger home. Oh yes, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Her calls me the son of hip hop because okay,
Speaker 1: let me break it down for me, right for me,
Speaker 1: alright for me. When I heard her say that he
Speaker 1: was the father, automatically saluted that never and then I
Speaker 1: thought of Bambada as the godfather, and then I think
Speaker 1: view Rock Kim, Big Daddy Kane as the father's right
Speaker 1: and then then after that comes Wu Tang like where
Speaker 1: are your little cousins, Wu Tang, marb Deep the fat,
Speaker 1: Joe's the component, Noriega's the MLP. We're actually your son's
Speaker 1: direct like I don't know what Paul's I know this
Speaker 1: new generation, but you're actually our fathers like you Rock Kim,
Speaker 1: Big Daddy Kane. And so I have to ask this
Speaker 1: question with that being said, with the name being like,
Speaker 1: how how is hip hop supposed to respond to the Bambada?
Speaker 1: Like how are we supposed to do that? From? I
Speaker 1: just don't know. That's why it's a generic question, which
Speaker 1: what what should we do? Because you're you're being our father.
Speaker 1: Whatever you say, I have to move accordance to it. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, with the first of all, controversy is not truth.
Speaker 1: What you want is truth right now? You want truth,
Speaker 1: But truth is also not information. It's not gossip. It's
Speaker 1: not even conversation. For me, if you keep it hip hop,
Speaker 1: nothing could be taken away from Africa ban not just
Speaker 1: keep it hip hop, but if you want to dig
Speaker 1: in the dude's personal life and accusations it is being
Speaker 1: made and so on. Personally me personally, I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. Personally. Look if if somebody was harmed or
Speaker 1: whatever was done, whatever, y'all deal with that ship what
Speaker 1: what deal with it? That? Don't stop hip hop? That
Speaker 1: don't stop with take away under history's history, but deal
Speaker 1: with you deal with that. That's personal. I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to sell past. You know,
Speaker 1: but even if you knew the facts, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. A person like me, I deal with with
Speaker 1: dudes that are questionable all the time, not just if
Speaker 1: the accusation is right. I do I know dudes that
Speaker 1: are doing You know what I'm saying. If you if
Speaker 1: you know anybody from prison, if you don't nothing to shout,
Speaker 1: you know anybody, if you live really in the hoods,
Speaker 1: you know shooters, you know, dudes running from the you
Speaker 1: know your man might have an open warrant on him
Speaker 1: right now, like right now, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not judging these motherfucker's man, that's right here, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's it now. What you do and your crime and
Speaker 1: your ship and your bullshit, whatever you're doing, that's on you.
Speaker 1: That's you, my g that's whatever you're doing. That's how
Speaker 1: I always dealt with it. I can't pick and choose. Hey, yo,
Speaker 1: this dude right here, I mean I was producing Justice album,
Speaker 1: right Who's crazy already came to Queen's Bridge by himself?
Speaker 1: Yes it is. Let's make some just like every change
Speaker 1: the subject too. I was talking, let's say the subject,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, but I mean he was on America's
Speaker 1: Most Wanted is. Let's make this is real hip This
Speaker 1: is real hip hop, shot man. Hip hop is in
Speaker 1: the world like everybody else, like every other culture. We
Speaker 1: in the world, politicians with bottom line is we we
Speaker 1: are humans. That humans, all humans. But now with that
Speaker 1: being said, right, what is your favorite MC battle Because
Speaker 1: I mean you don't have to, you can do with
Speaker 1: yourself if you want to. But what is your favorite
Speaker 1: MC battle. To be honest with you, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot this huge that I really what comes to
Speaker 1: the top of your head. The first one that comes
Speaker 1: to my head is freeway in cassidy for me. Let's
Speaker 1: make some noise, but caress one. No one's going on.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's going on in the streets? No, No,
Speaker 1: that that's I mean, it's an old battle. But if
Speaker 1: you talk about showmanship, you know, instant rhymes on deck
Speaker 1: right there? That was hot? Okay, um, I gotta ask
Speaker 1: you about what's up? What what? How did you like?
Speaker 1: What did you like? It was it? It isn't your
Speaker 1: even battles? I think I think it gave both of
Speaker 1: them credibility and what wait? Well, because for me as
Speaker 1: an m C, like like when people say top five, okay,
Speaker 1: everybody got their top five. Everybody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if you ain't battle, if you ain't did tours,
Speaker 1: if you ain't putting no hits out, if you ain't
Speaker 1: put somebody else on or came from a legacy that
Speaker 1: was wild, you ain't even nowhere near the top five. So, dudes,
Speaker 1: is like, I'm looking for young cats today to really
Speaker 1: rise up to the criteria. First, first, with your battle
Speaker 1: you say you dope, bring it right now, because his
Speaker 1: nigg is like me out here, like straight up, I
Speaker 1: stay hung okay, stay hungry. You claim you hungry, you
Speaker 1: claim who you know, I'm the man, I'm I'm in
Speaker 1: this and now today with social media, you could claim
Speaker 1: anything and everybody. So with Draking Mills, to me, it
Speaker 1: gave them the credibility that they needed for even me
Speaker 1: to look at them as real mcs. I like both
Speaker 1: of the lyrics. By the way, Drake. I think it's
Speaker 1: underrated in terms of because maybe he's doing the pop
Speaker 1: thing or whatever, but his lyrics is still dope from
Speaker 1: a MC perspective. No let me, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to cut you off. But there's been allegations that
Speaker 1: he had help on his lyrics. You writers, you, how
Speaker 1: do you feel like this? I'm very curious that this
Speaker 1: look because but because you do come from a day
Speaker 1: where people are by um writing bismarck lyrics. This Mark
Speaker 1: was upfront about it. Ice Cube said, um he's he
Speaker 1: said ice Cube the rhymes that I say, and to me,
Speaker 1: he was one of the most So how did you
Speaker 1: feel when you found out that Drake might have had
Speaker 1: some help. Was that doesn't disturb me at all. It
Speaker 1: diminishes him in front of those that write their own lyrics. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: those of us to split the raw from our own heart.
Speaker 1: You you really got to step up and come up
Speaker 1: to the plate on that level. But we're talking about
Speaker 1: m C and as a whole art. Talk about rappers
Speaker 1: a whole art. No, if you got a dope writer
Speaker 1: that can make you sound like something, got ahead and
Speaker 1: get with dude. The issue is writing. This is the
Speaker 1: issue writing. Don't rhymes. I don't give a funk where
Speaker 1: it comes from. Writer whoever. Some of the dopest dudes,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna call no names rhymes. You said, Yo,
Speaker 1: it's like this secrets in hip. Okay, his news that
Speaker 1: dude right for them, that's not a problem. Not me.
Speaker 1: I never had the privilege of anyone writing for me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I I you know you're too smart. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. If Rock Kim came to me
Speaker 1: with a rahm, I say that ship this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I say that this is crazy. I need to believed.
Speaker 1: You have to listen. Drake sent me to check. I
Speaker 1: have just saved just saved you. You are that cool
Speaker 1: in every community drinking k r S has set it
Speaker 1: on a drink Chess podcast that he's okay. No, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: Look not it real spinn is it right? They rhymes?
Speaker 1: It will never be okay with real spins it right there? Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's our lane, that's our category. That's a level
Speaker 1: of excellence that you have to get to. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: but my issue is right, Look, here's the opposite. Some
Speaker 1: dude write your rhymes and they whack and you say
Speaker 1: them ships and way I heard dude say what ROMs
Speaker 1: that they didn't even right. That's corny, Okay, but if
Speaker 1: you got a real shooter with you, dude, it's right
Speaker 1: and raw ship. We'll make sure he paid a brother,
Speaker 1: make sure he gets some credit at some point in
Speaker 1: your career. Let's say that ship, say that dope ship.
Speaker 1: Hip hop needs dope lyrics. We don't need dope. Mcs understand,
Speaker 1: we need dope lyrics. We need to write. I don't
Speaker 1: care where it comes from. Your mom's could write you
Speaker 1: some ship. That ship is dope right, most lyrics, you're saying,
Speaker 1: it's the vessel. It's just about mcs all the vessel. Look,
Speaker 1: if you really get down to it, I don't write
Speaker 1: my own lyrics. God writes my lyrics, goddamnit. So if
Speaker 1: you think about it, none of us are writing our
Speaker 1: own lyrics. We all any m C that writes his lyrics.
Speaker 1: You know, you're sitting there with the pen, the pad
Speaker 1: or whatever, your phone, whatever it is, and you hum
Speaker 1: your ship out. You hear that ship from someplace else.
Speaker 1: You're like criminal man and dj is don't even start
Speaker 1: with that. You as producers, you hear the beats before
Speaker 1: you hit the thing. You know what you're gonna do,
Speaker 1: before you do it. You hum it out, you bang
Speaker 1: it out, but you hear something. So no one is original,
Speaker 1: No art is original. We are all being influenced by
Speaker 1: everything and everyone. The corny motherfucker is the one who
Speaker 1: doesn't say, yo, my g wrote this. Give it three years,
Speaker 1: four years. You know you made some success after you
Speaker 1: got on spicking man. Acknowledge, acknowledge your dude, man, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. Hit him with his cash.
Speaker 1: You he know, you know he helped you get what
Speaker 1: You gotta go. Hit him with his cash. Make sure
Speaker 1: he's good and his family is good. That's respecting hip hop.
Speaker 1: That's big respect now in this day, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of the o G s, they'll sit back and they'll
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I don't like this. Do you
Speaker 1: listen to what's going on now? Or you know they
Speaker 1: had their chance, they're over, They're finished that they had
Speaker 1: their chances. That ship is over. That's just funk. All
Speaker 1: that old school show, all that's just done. You do
Speaker 1: listen to the new school. Yeah, I listened to everything. Okay,
Speaker 1: I listen to everything. Okay. I was just with my
Speaker 1: man l A. Sunshine. He put a book out. He
Speaker 1: was just kicking it up in the Bronx. That's my
Speaker 1: G right there, Komo D that's my G. Busy b
Speaker 1: no doubt. These are my dogs, no doubt. But let
Speaker 1: me let me let me see Joey Badass right now,
Speaker 1: let me see you know. Um yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like like I don't want to call names,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying let me just you know, but no,
Speaker 1: I listened to every thing. Man. Yeah, I really appreciate
Speaker 1: um you having that attitude because now I am They
Speaker 1: called me a o G. Now thirty years you know,
Speaker 1: hip hop was born and what Yeah, seventy three. I
Speaker 1: was born in seventy seven. So now they're calling me
Speaker 1: a O G and I want to sit back and
Speaker 1: I want to give back to this life. So we
Speaker 1: we were doing this podcast. I want to get people
Speaker 1: like you a platform to say whatever the funk you
Speaker 1: want to see any time. You know, it's okay, we
Speaker 1: don't get, we don't care, get another drink. So this
Speaker 1: has been one of my um uh accomplishments in life.
Speaker 1: You know, people got bucket list. You know, You've always
Speaker 1: been a person that I've learned from, Like, whether you
Speaker 1: know it direct or indirect. You ain't even asked me
Speaker 1: to pass the blank some foul people, but it's okay,
Speaker 1: I understand from kindle, so I'm not looking so you directly,
Speaker 1: you directly. Somebody said to me the other day. It
Speaker 1: said Jay Z and Jay the Kiss raised me with
Speaker 1: their bars and they fucked me up because I was like,
Speaker 1: damn well. Then I always told people if you take
Speaker 1: care ress one and then you take a little bit
Speaker 1: of bis markey and a little bit of Granddaddy are you,
Speaker 1: that's when you get in all. But you noticed I
Speaker 1: never took none of your styles. But I was as yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's three totally different people. But that's who made
Speaker 1: me because you taught me that black is beautiful and
Speaker 1: be yourself. BIS taught me. BIS taught me life Ain't
Speaker 1: that serious, homie, have some fun. And then Granddaddy you
Speaker 1: told me how to be exact opposite of him because
Speaker 1: he was so smooth, Like I feel like Granddaddy you
Speaker 1: was like the cane that never I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 1: My first interview ever smoking, you know, big up hockey
Speaker 1: in Green. My brother, my brother. Another legend is in
Speaker 1: the building. Swark matters and let's just get into that. Man,
Speaker 1: How did swark maddism come about? Damn Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: Hawk was a was a school teacher. No, I did
Speaker 1: never knew that let's make some noise to school with
Speaker 1: the teacher. Okay with the teacher. So he was one
Speaker 1: of the many teachers and professors I was rolling with
Speaker 1: about ninety three. Hot rolled up and said, yo, So
Speaker 1: I took he kept coming to my lectures. I was
Speaker 1: doing lectures around, so he kept coming to the lectures.
Speaker 1: So I said, you know, you look like you am sick.
Speaker 1: It look like you know you get that back there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just started that's rights and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: you look like an m C. He was like, why
Speaker 1: how did you so make a long story shot? I
Speaker 1: heard him. I loved it, but I said, that's solo MC.
Speaker 1: Thing not gonna work. We need two people. This is
Speaker 1: like das Effects was hitting nice and smooth. They were
Speaker 1: signed to Yes, well technically to to my wife Simone
Speaker 1: was running Front Page Records. Technically k Arrest was with
Speaker 1: the label Channel Live Mad lion Um for a minute,
Speaker 1: even Fat Joe. But but we was closing the label
Speaker 1: at at the closing the company, the management company at
Speaker 1: the time when Joe just started to blow, We was
Speaker 1: just coming down on on on that level, same thing
Speaker 1: with excuse me, priz and and no not before they
Speaker 1: would have oh yeah, actually the refugees, it was just
Speaker 1: Prize and to sign yes we we We did some
Speaker 1: of their first shows, you know for no note no
Speaker 1: that was no no, no. We wasn't in no position
Speaker 1: whatsoever to deal with them. They they you can white
Speaker 1: Coulf used to pull out a guitar. He still does
Speaker 1: it in the middle of it. He still doesn't. He's
Speaker 1: just started out like you know, it was like you know,
Speaker 1: you got ahead and uh, but but it was dope.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we got in the studio, and you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in a herb culture. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I grew up in Flatbush, Brooklyn Church Havnue
Speaker 1: right there and he Rasmus High School, wing Gate High School,
Speaker 1: shout out to Prospect, the whole nine. So I grew
Speaker 1: up there in the seventies when you were born seventies,
Speaker 1: I was in the parks. Memory. The reason we went
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, and you're trying to get is that's going
Speaker 1: on our game. So there we was in Flatbush. So
Speaker 1: I grew up in in in herb culture and not
Speaker 1: from the point of view like are we just gonna
Speaker 1: smoke mud. I was with with Rosters and the Ethiopian
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church. We had the Bible open. Dudes was smoking
Speaker 1: towards the east. Childie burned down roam. Every time the
Speaker 1: child is burned, you had to say, yo. We was
Speaker 1: like in that culture for real. So it was like
Speaker 1: I grew up with like no problem, like yo burned apart.
Speaker 1: Why does no big deal? One moved up to the
Speaker 1: Bronx when I became homeless like an one or two.
Speaker 1: So that story is true. Oh yeah, no doubt about
Speaker 1: four years. That's how I met Scott Larrock. Uh he
Speaker 1: was a social worker in the shelter. But we'll get
Speaker 1: back to that. Uh. So I grew up in the culture.
Speaker 1: So for me, Peter Toash since nineteen seventy one was
Speaker 1: yelling for the legalization of marijuana. Since seventy one. Everybody
Speaker 1: know that. You know, the judges are smoking, the cops smoke.
Speaker 1: The doctor's been saying, this is the safest plant. In fact,
Speaker 1: this is the healing of the nation right here, all times, kancers,
Speaker 1: you name it, herb is the healing for that. But
Speaker 1: now you got this tax issue, and you got this
Speaker 1: dudes that don't want to give up their power. They
Speaker 1: get more money and more power selling it illegally. You
Speaker 1: don't you really don't want the government selling weed. You
Speaker 1: really don't want that because the idea is that it's
Speaker 1: gonna get whacked. It's like whatever the government put they
Speaker 1: they can't even teach English correctly, like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like anything that the government puts his hand into,
Speaker 1: it starts to get sterile, it starts to get waged.
Speaker 1: You don't have no complication wordered down. So dude is like, no,
Speaker 1: we want to grow that ship right there in Mexico,
Speaker 1: right there in Afghanistan, right there up in and now Colorado, Seattle.
Speaker 1: They just went rogue with it and just said, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're just gonna do it. And I think
Speaker 1: it was done for the kids in the area because
Speaker 1: they're not locking their kids up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do that. They rather change the laws
Speaker 1: than see their kids in the family go through that.
Speaker 1: That's why I think it really got legalized. You could
Speaker 1: cite medical lists or medical that, but really it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's an issue of going to prison. Families have
Speaker 1: been ruined by just smoking a joint or having herb
Speaker 1: on you. This is a plant that grows and in
Speaker 1: the world. Like how is the government like even allowed
Speaker 1: to tell you how you should think? Like that's to begin,
Speaker 1: Like like if I smoke button, I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel great on this. Why are you telling me? I
Speaker 1: don't like like like the use of the word nigga
Speaker 1: for instance, same ship, that's my nigga right there. I
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, nigga, I got three pH d s. Nigga,
Speaker 1: I write books, nigga, what I know, what the funk
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But now, black people ain't supposed the thing.
Speaker 1: We're not supposed to have governance over our own mouth,
Speaker 1: over our own thinking. So if I tell you, listen,
Speaker 1: when I say my nigga, I'm talking really mean my brother.
Speaker 1: Listen to how I say it, my nigger, that's my
Speaker 1: brother right there. Now, I just told you what it is.
Speaker 1: The problem is there's no law in the United States
Speaker 1: made by black people that white people are bound to respect.
Speaker 1: Imagine we follow all a laws, what lord they follow
Speaker 1: of ours? There's no Latino brother to kings. I said, look,
Speaker 1: this is what helps Latino people. Right here, y'all gonna fight.
Speaker 1: We want black whits everybody. You're gonna follow our laws.
Speaker 1: We we follow the Constitution, Should we follow state ordinances?
Speaker 1: All that's white law. But here's now the Native American
Speaker 1: law while we're not. Nah, this country is not built
Speaker 1: on following anybody else's law except their own. And when
Speaker 1: it comes to marijuana, it becomes an issue of freedom
Speaker 1: of thought, like this is how I think. Do you
Speaker 1: have the right to tell me what state of mind
Speaker 1: I should be into? Like, no, this is the state
Speaker 1: of mind that I feel I should be. And as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the U. S Constitution, it's federal
Speaker 1: law to be happy in the United States, the pursuit
Speaker 1: of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So if
Speaker 1: you get happiness, that's illegal. If you're sad and depressed
Speaker 1: in the US, you broke federal law. Wow, you broke
Speaker 1: federal law. The government should be doing. The Constitution and
Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence. The spirit of it is all
Speaker 1: about liberty, justice, freedom, happiness for all. The pursuit of
Speaker 1: happiness is law. Welcome to Play, a new podcast network
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Speaker 1: to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and R and d J. Then,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna change it up real quick. Come on
Speaker 1: a crazy hip hop story. As you went to the
Speaker 1: Palladium and you threw P M. Dawn off the stage,
Speaker 1: I gotta get this story. Let's make some noise, but
Speaker 1: I gotta story. Yo. That's when, like you, you've been
Speaker 1: my hero. But like it's like that's when I made
Speaker 1: my choice from Malcolm and Martin. It was like Martin,
Speaker 1: like I still think Mary was killing people at night
Speaker 1: when he went like I think he still think Marrow
Speaker 1: was a shoot up, Like I still in my heart,
Speaker 1: in my heart. But but Malcolm, Malcolm was like, straight up,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot you back. So when Chris, I'm very
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm honored. So I felt like the
Speaker 1: minute you threw p M down on stage is like, yes,
Speaker 1: he could teach me and he'll still that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I wanted. That's makes it. So what did he do
Speaker 1: for you to throw him off the stage? I never
Speaker 1: really got that part of the story. Well, if you
Speaker 1: want the scholarly approach, approach, Okay, so dude, stop mouthing
Speaker 1: off in Details magazine. Okay, now this is now, this
Speaker 1: is the mood that we're in around this time. I
Speaker 1: think we'll I forgot what year. This was nineties nine? No, no, no, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it was Kay, it's ninety two and it wasn't The
Speaker 1: Palladium was like, no, it was a small club in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. It was one of the clubs
Speaker 1: that have like like car wash was it wasn't. That
Speaker 1: wasn't the name of the place. That's just the name
Speaker 1: of the night. The night right, it was it sound fast,
Speaker 1: so sound factory. Okay, wait a minute, now here's the
Speaker 1: mood of it. Ninety two Okay, around the time, this
Speaker 1: is when, like you said, knowledge was just hitting hip hop.
Speaker 1: Hip hop was some ignorant as ship. Okay. Of course
Speaker 1: you did have run DMC, you had Houdini, you had
Speaker 1: those who were actually rocking on on a supposedly more
Speaker 1: intelligent level, especially run DMC with it's like that, and
Speaker 1: and all types of record societies got to salute you
Speaker 1: in the interview. Just do that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, that's who the viewer is
Speaker 1: to know someone is drinking of my time and drink.
Speaker 1: If you have traveled, you probably don't know where the
Speaker 1: funking my tie is. Okay, so this is you have.
Speaker 1: This is a Hawaii drink. People like, do you continue
Speaker 1: to drink? That's how you know making money for long?
Speaker 1: He wasn't Tahiti or something. I mean, I'm with this ship, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you for thank you for coming again, thanks for
Speaker 1: opening your dog. Okay. So anyway, so anyway, so so
Speaker 1: the mood and nothing by the but I'm I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you later on. Look this this move
Speaker 1: this time is when I had just put out you
Speaker 1: must learn to stop the violence movement? Why is that?
Speaker 1: And then what's what's the joint? What's the joint? He
Speaker 1: got out? I don't know why. Why did he let
Speaker 1: well it wasn't just me, but he did say he
Speaker 1: tested more. Yes, ok. In his Details magazine he had
Speaker 1: said something pertaining to the fact. He said, n w
Speaker 1: A is nothing. Chuck d is making mountains out of
Speaker 1: mole hills, and careis one is kiss. One wants to
Speaker 1: be a teacher, but a teacher of what? And for
Speaker 1: me it matter for me. But Chuck at the time
Speaker 1: was receiving death threats because of the controversy with Griff Griffin,
Speaker 1: the Jewish comments. Griffin made a statement, so public Enemy
Speaker 1: was the real heat in America. Okay, and this dude
Speaker 1: just sold like a million records, so he had a
Speaker 1: really good year, you know, selling records. So he's just
Speaker 1: mouthing off like it's our time now these with these dudes,
Speaker 1: and you know these dudes is over. N w A
Speaker 1: ain't nothing, Chuck, the public Enemy ain't saying nothing. Arrest this.
Speaker 1: So I let it go for a minute. So this
Speaker 1: this was like over months. This is like the first
Speaker 1: no no, no no, no, this is over a period. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just him. So I had also a little
Speaker 1: running with X Clan around the same time. Me and
Speaker 1: X Clan, We're going back and forth with I mean,
Speaker 1: brother Jay was you know, calling me Captain human and
Speaker 1: that's the other well it wasn't that wasn't directed to,
Speaker 1: but it was them. Yeah, and if and if you're
Speaker 1: battling me even maybe it was so there was ex
Speaker 1: claim Bam chilled it all out back then, right, so
Speaker 1: he cooled it all out. We had a press conference
Speaker 1: and just kissed it made up. That was into that.
Speaker 1: But there were others dudes in the hood. They for
Speaker 1: some reason, they felt people felt that if you come
Speaker 1: out advocating peace, knowledge, wisdom, I was coming with you
Speaker 1: that somehow we're supposed to be soft for somehow, well
Speaker 1: you're gonna run up or I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: And I was naive because all my dudes was straight gangsters.
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking about, I'm trying to take dudes off
Speaker 1: the street, convince them, yo, we can go on tour. Man,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna do this. You ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 1: And dudes is like, Yo, if you can show me
Speaker 1: another way out of here, we could do this. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take these dudes and we're trying to
Speaker 1: leave the hood. Okay, we're trying to be positive. We
Speaker 1: got to stop the violence this movement and PM and
Speaker 1: he is too calm. Yeah, okay, arrestient shot but bahbah
Speaker 1: bahba he just got finished with X clan with that
Speaker 1: um lynch mob had made a statement ice que self destruction,
Speaker 1: don't pay the fucking or this is after something something,
Speaker 1: this is after all, this is what it is stuff
Speaker 1: noise for him. You gonna we're gonna stop. And so
Speaker 1: for some reason they thought it was so in my
Speaker 1: corner and so PM doing is not from New York? Correct, No,
Speaker 1: what is he? No? I don't know what that was.
Speaker 1: So I want to know what did you say something
Speaker 1: to him or just no, no, no, no happened? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is what happened. He so he made his allegation,
Speaker 1: and he made some other allegation on the radio or
Speaker 1: something like that about he was ready to battle or
Speaker 1: something or some kind of lyrical something. So I was like, great,
Speaker 1: let's just take it right there and and leave it there.
Speaker 1: You called my name out, What I got to do
Speaker 1: with you? I'm doing my own thing over here. But
Speaker 1: he was riding a wave that was saying that groups
Speaker 1: like nWay, Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, they bullshit, and
Speaker 1: we ship right hood dudes is bullshit. This is the
Speaker 1: new ship. And so there was a big party for
Speaker 1: Tea Money back in the day's Tea Money was at
Speaker 1: your MTV raps host with Ed Love and Doctor big
Speaker 1: party in in New York. Everybody in the industry was there,
Speaker 1: which is why we had two chances he was gonna
Speaker 1: play in somewhere he was he was gonna play with
Speaker 1: his own show. He was gonna even go there, or
Speaker 1: we could go right here to Manhattan where it was popping.
Speaker 1: And we said, you know what, let's do Manhattan because
Speaker 1: the industry is there. This is Tea Money's birthday party.
Speaker 1: We said, you know what, let's set it straight real quick.
Speaker 1: Right there. A couple other dudes was in the They
Speaker 1: was called your kay arrest, ain't share what the fun that.
Speaker 1: They went in the crowd too. So when I got there,
Speaker 1: we were so amp like we was just so and
Speaker 1: when I say we are again. I don't want to
Speaker 1: call no names and put nobody on, but you know,
Speaker 1: just the color of the story and give you some
Speaker 1: background on it. So it was me, there was justice,
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa. Blatifa had her crew, naughty by nature, naughty
Speaker 1: had they crew because he did naughty? And and them too,
Speaker 1: and them too well, no, no, no, it was just
Speaker 1: they were just there with me. This is the early
Speaker 1: days of flavoring, and this is this is the only
Speaker 1: days early Okay, they all kitty like, yo, when do
Speaker 1: we go? Oh? So you set it up? You know.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know that is a trend now when a person
Speaker 1: has a beef with somebody, they booked them for a
Speaker 1: show and then when the person they come out, they'll
Speaker 1: do one or two songs and then the bum rushed
Speaker 1: the ship. But you set that trend. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know that. Well, you know what, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we didn't mean to, but you set the trend.
Speaker 1: Let's make them knowing. Look, he so we went up.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a set up in the sense that we
Speaker 1: knew we were gonna go there, but we knew we
Speaker 1: had two choices and it was like the day before,
Speaker 1: so we chose this one. So did you actually talk
Speaker 1: to him prior to no, No, no, you just waited
Speaker 1: for him, just waiting for As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the word had gotten out because I said, Yo, I'm
Speaker 1: here the battle. It wasn't about throwing nobody off stage
Speaker 1: because I'm still stop the violence. Yeah, that's why it
Speaker 1: was a controversial. It was so when I jumped up,
Speaker 1: what happened was I think one of his boys or something.
Speaker 1: He had a little crew with hit me somebody with him.
Speaker 1: So when we jumped on stage, I remember super Cat.
Speaker 1: I can't even man, super Cat. He said, Chris, let
Speaker 1: me go on first month. Let me go on first.
Speaker 1: Before you do that, let me one first. I was
Speaker 1: like yo, and Cat went on, he did his thing.
Speaker 1: Then p M Down went on. We let him get
Speaker 1: through one song, and then we all jumped on the stage.
Speaker 1: It's like, Yo, let's battle. Let's get it popping right now.
Speaker 1: So the whole crowd was like, oh, let's go. But
Speaker 1: something happened is man, somebody jumped out. It was like
Speaker 1: funk that I was trying to do some ship. It
Speaker 1: was like funk that we would all shoot this my
Speaker 1: naked that threw them nikes off the stage. That's what
Speaker 1: he wants that. No, it's not Troy. I just did
Speaker 1: that to I love Mechannon in New York. In New York.
Speaker 1: This is a fact. I love, I love, I love
Speaker 1: mccannon like I love for Troy A. But when it happened,
Speaker 1: didn't met about this. Now you are so Immediately when
Speaker 1: I seen it, I said, this is I don't even
Speaker 1: think Troy. I have know that this originated from that
Speaker 1: very moment. Like if you disrespect and you come to
Speaker 1: the person town, you are liable to go off the
Speaker 1: stage and drinks is liable to throw at you, and
Speaker 1: you are allowed to feel uncomfortable. You started that trend,
Speaker 1: and I applaud you for that, sir. Come on one
Speaker 1: more time, everybody but Bill. Being that we're on the
Speaker 1: topic of self destruction, stop the violence. One thing that
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, why do you think that we haven't
Speaker 1: been able to recreate those movements in hip hop? Because
Speaker 1: when that came out and um, we're on the same
Speaker 1: game came out those records, they were cool to the
Speaker 1: youth at the time. When we love those records, we
Speaker 1: knew the lyrics. I know you've been doing, you've done,
Speaker 1: You've continued to do those records, but they haven't touched
Speaker 1: the pulse of the youth. Amore. No, hip hop is
Speaker 1: not conscious, Okay, Like people gotta understand that hip hop
Speaker 1: it's raw essence. That ship has gotta ghetto. Hip hop
Speaker 1: is ignorant. Okay, that ship is. I'm that and it's core.
Speaker 1: That ship is raw ignorance, man, just straight up. But
Speaker 1: all the best things come out of that ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: the darkness, that's where the best ship comes from. Out
Speaker 1: of this ship. Look, it takes feces to make things grow.
Speaker 1: All were eating is ship. It's the most honest. So
Speaker 1: that's why I say go back to the movement when
Speaker 1: we did those records, stop the violence and self destruction.
Speaker 1: Look at the dudes that we're doing them. Those were
Speaker 1: street Okay, that's why, right, But now we all them
Speaker 1: dudes got shot up and went to jail. Nobody there's
Speaker 1: no one else, like maybe some younger kids today or
Speaker 1: maybe some of the younger artists today, if they care
Speaker 1: about they come. You see, when we were coming up
Speaker 1: with gangs and excuse me, a cruise and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: we we cared about the community still, like we would
Speaker 1: still smack a young kid up and be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you better go to school, motherfucker. I know your mom's
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You would still get gangs
Speaker 1: like that. Today it's too individualistic, even due to a
Speaker 1: real gangsters. They're not really in the hood. They do
Speaker 1: they gangster on the phone. They pushing their thing through
Speaker 1: twitterfferent mediums. Now, we didn't have none of this ship
Speaker 1: and we was coming up. I'm sorry to cut you off,
Speaker 1: but you know what the crazy shi it is. I
Speaker 1: just thought about it, like you know hip hop. We
Speaker 1: got our own little version of chipland circuits, like when
Speaker 1: you go so back then in the nineties, I'll say
Speaker 1: in nineties, I had to go to Virginia, I had
Speaker 1: to go to North Carolina. And when the dude told me,
Speaker 1: y'all running the block, I had the choices. It was
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, not fifteen seconds on the internet, but it's
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds that I had to say I believe him,
Speaker 1: fucking don't. We didn't have Instagram, like right now, dude,
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I run to the town, check
Speaker 1: my check them. That's don't fucking register with me, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because they'll have a picture
Speaker 1: with like you know whoever is the popular popular people
Speaker 1: at the time. But back then, in the nineties, I
Speaker 1: had to go to a town and I had to
Speaker 1: make a decision in fifteen seconds when the dude caught
Speaker 1: me and foot locker and said, your Nori, I run
Speaker 1: the town. Funk with me? And I had to start
Speaker 1: with sometimes this guy's lying. They're good, but a lot
Speaker 1: of the times they're official. You don't have time to
Speaker 1: go look at nowadays google them. When I go to
Speaker 1: a town. Now they'll be like, yo, go get what's
Speaker 1: such and such? And I gotta look at this guy's Instagram.
Speaker 1: But it was real up and and your generations before mine.
Speaker 1: So how was that like? Just traveling the US back then?
Speaker 1: You had to know people, man, you had to really know.
Speaker 1: Like what you just said right there brought me back
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, tell your story Iced Tea. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is way backed Tea coming on the show. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Ic and Coco. This goes back to Darlene. Okay,
Speaker 1: so first, this is first wife on the cover of
Speaker 1: Iced Tea. This is the realest dude ever. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know what y'all know about TV, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what that ship is. Okay, But in the eighties,
Speaker 1: ryme syndicate in l A. Okay, you had to know
Speaker 1: these dudes or you wasn't playing. You say, you couldn't
Speaker 1: even go. You couldn't even play, You couldn't even play. Date.
Speaker 1: Today you can book shows, you know, live national book
Speaker 1: is all good. No, back then, it was only dudes
Speaker 1: were hustling. Did was booking rappers. So it was like
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it wasn't never no ship.
Speaker 1: It was it was actually the time, we're always having
Speaker 1: a good time. It's like we left all the guns,
Speaker 1: all the all the the product, and she leave that
Speaker 1: ship down. Let's just go to Latin Corns and have
Speaker 1: a good time. Let's just go down to to you know,
Speaker 1: the rooftop or or whatever fever or whatever. Everybody just
Speaker 1: was like that. Everybody left their ship in the car
Speaker 1: if there was any beef in the cup. You see
Speaker 1: dudes running outside today ride and that's the ship would
Speaker 1: pop off in this in the parking lot. But we
Speaker 1: had to know people. You couldn't just be a rap.
Speaker 1: There was so many rappers that were dope on the
Speaker 1: mic and even had hit records. But they couldn't tour.
Speaker 1: They couldn't travel, you know, because back then people were
Speaker 1: still getting robbed for they change just the idea of
Speaker 1: wearing a gold change. Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but look, I tell you this
Speaker 1: YouTube and it's for YouTube. It's for YouTube, you know,
Speaker 1: MC search um you know, far the third base. These
Speaker 1: were the only white dudes ever ever to walk in
Speaker 1: Latin quarters with big Gold, the original last quarters, because
Speaker 1: I went to Broadway. The original ladder quarters was Fort
Speaker 1: Street in Broadway, across the street from Popeye's Chicken. We
Speaker 1: used to eat that bullshit and go across the street
Speaker 1: and tear that ship down. Nothing but hustlers and then nothing.
Speaker 1: And if your rhymes was whack, you did not make
Speaker 1: it out like you without insults or sneaking scheming on you,
Speaker 1: or like you had to have security walk you out
Speaker 1: like you. You know what I'm saying. And I took
Speaker 1: pride in that ship. I was like, fuck y'all, nakeds man,
Speaker 1: get the ship in right now. And they just loved,
Speaker 1: they loved my whole ship. And the point was was
Speaker 1: that we were spending conscious ship we called the Real
Speaker 1: Kality Rap. Yo. Man, funk these these cops, this court,
Speaker 1: the ship we were going through fun the d A.
Speaker 1: These motherfucker's are corrupt. Let's talk about the government. That
Speaker 1: ship became Conscious rap all of a sudden in the nineties,
Speaker 1: the titles switched and now, all of a sudden, we
Speaker 1: were supposed to play this role of being conscious rappers
Speaker 1: who didn't fight or argue, and this ship and it
Speaker 1: was like, I never wrested, I'm wrestled. I never settled
Speaker 1: this in my own career. You know me. I consider
Speaker 1: myself a god man, straight up all about peace. But
Speaker 1: this world the minute you say you're standing up for
Speaker 1: justice and wisdom, these dudes want to try to see you.
Speaker 1: And I love ship like that. I'm like, I'm God's
Speaker 1: like worst. I'm sent here to make you think like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's that we know we can get that dude right there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and ship changes in the come on, follow
Speaker 1: me down here and then see the skirt on in
Speaker 1: the skirt, come on down here, that's where I want
Speaker 1: to go. Camera. How do you back? How did it
Speaker 1: be start with shan originally? Man? Was it the record
Speaker 1: or was it something on the side. I have to
Speaker 1: notice for my own because you're my favorite rapper. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know that we wanted to. I
Speaker 1: hated you when you did the Bridges. That's gotta be
Speaker 1: clear with you. Let me tell you something. You made
Speaker 1: any any killers and Queens, you made them, because I'm
Speaker 1: just tell you because you said we didn't. It's a horrible,
Speaker 1: it's a great, it's a great all day because you
Speaker 1: know why we had on Rights Island at that time
Speaker 1: was the toughest place. I mean, it was the hard
Speaker 1: chorus place to go. And if you was from Queens,
Speaker 1: you would just walk by and people would be like
Speaker 1: Queens right. And I don't know if you know if
Speaker 1: you started this, but you said I didn't hear peek
Speaker 1: from a place called Queens. And we had to fight
Speaker 1: every each New y'all nicker, every ball snicker for nickers
Speaker 1: to be like Queen's nickers is a fish like he
Speaker 1: just took out Shan. Damn, I've rolder that wrong and
Speaker 1: she sh don't. Don't don't blow me up, listen. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just being honest. And at that time you
Speaker 1: changed the face of hip hop because you single handedly.
Speaker 1: I don't need to know. How did this start? Was
Speaker 1: it beef with Marley? Was it beef for Shan? Was
Speaker 1: this this wackpool? A sneaker? What was it, Chris? To
Speaker 1: make you go off like that? First off, we and
Speaker 1: queens didn't know that was a South Bron. We didn't
Speaker 1: know it was a North It was the Bron. So
Speaker 1: when all right, so I need to notice this is
Speaker 1: from my own history. How did they start? That's the
Speaker 1: wall rest in peace to Mr Magic. Let me start right.
Speaker 1: You don't care whether we smoke right now, come on, man,
Speaker 1: come on um recipees to Mr Magic. Okay, straight up,
Speaker 1: Now that's who started it. He started it, Magic, Mr Magic?
Speaker 1: Down he rest in peace, Mash we wanted to be
Speaker 1: down with the Juice Crew. Let's start right there. So
Speaker 1: and this is Molly mar This is Magic, okay, Magic
Speaker 1: Magic was here. First of all, there was another Juice
Speaker 1: Crew before Magic, the original Juice Crew. I was first.
Speaker 1: I don't know all of it. I think it was
Speaker 1: Melly Mel. Yeah, this is Juice Crew. This Juice Crew
Speaker 1: had a disco fee and they're the original Juice Crew.
Speaker 1: Magic was part of that crew. Okay, so he kind
Speaker 1: of took the name and the second generation came up,
Speaker 1: which was us and so he named his crew the
Speaker 1: Juice Crew. But he is the only one with the ring.
Speaker 1: There was rings was like thirteen rings that were given
Speaker 1: out for this Juice Crew because he was one of this.
Speaker 1: He was one of these views with the ring. So
Speaker 1: he made the think Juice cre with his man fly
Speaker 1: tie as well. Ty was was big, you know with
Speaker 1: UH promotion and marketing. So the idea was battles were
Speaker 1: huge on the street anyway. If he was an m C,
Speaker 1: he was always battling your man. He was always in
Speaker 1: the ciphers fitting ship. So that's what it was. But
Speaker 1: none of that was ever reflected in mainstream media and
Speaker 1: Wrapped whatever run d m C. They was crushing ship,
Speaker 1: but they were still you know, wrapping um. They were
Speaker 1: still like performers, you know. They It never was really
Speaker 1: what it was on the street level. So we went
Speaker 1: to Magic. We wanted to be part of the Jewice screen.
Speaker 1: We wanted to be produced by Molly maul okay. But
Speaker 1: Magic was the Juice Crew. He's the one that put
Speaker 1: everybody down. So Rock Sands Shante just came off of
Speaker 1: a battle with U. T. Fo nice battle. All these
Speaker 1: rock sands came out of that battle. Little sister Fast Team.
Speaker 1: I went to school, continue rock Sand. She came out
Speaker 1: U t f O nice battle. So mc shan came
Speaker 1: out and this LU called him a beat bitter because
Speaker 1: the word on the street was the LL bit his
Speaker 1: stop the can go, the didas the pumas and us
Speaker 1: the track suit. And in a way you looked just
Speaker 1: like L from her early days. If you look at
Speaker 1: early LL, it was some kind of similarity. So l
Speaker 1: I was mad about that, I guess and started going out.
Speaker 1: I'm not L. I'm sorry. Shan was mad at that
Speaker 1: and started going after L. L L never answer them, um,
Speaker 1: but I did because Magic took our demo. So the
Speaker 1: story goes, engineer told us this. We handed in our records,
Speaker 1: two records criminal Minded and Elementary, oh and a record
Speaker 1: called Advanced three records. We have got to advance three records.
Speaker 1: We gave it to him. He said, Magic said this
Speaker 1: is corny. No, we're not doing it, and supposedly flung
Speaker 1: it into into garbage. We're not. This is an engineer
Speaker 1: telling us. First of all, we couldn't even talk to Magic. Okay,
Speaker 1: he was not huge. Okay, security, he was the man. Okay,
Speaker 1: we couldn't even see. We handed up. We handed dude
Speaker 1: the c D throw somebody through, somebody through somebody, and
Speaker 1: the word got back your wick, get a body here.
Speaker 1: So mind you, I'm homeless in the street. I'm riding
Speaker 1: the train back and forth, the D train. Scott land
Speaker 1: Rock is a social worker at the shelter. I get to,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm at the shelter. Sometimes I'm not
Speaker 1: me and just Stice was in the shelter together, so
Speaker 1: some NICs we hang out all nights. Some nice we
Speaker 1: get up. But Scott had to go to work every
Speaker 1: day and worked there at that shelter. So we got
Speaker 1: back and Scott was like, yo, they said it was
Speaker 1: what my g I was like, Yo, why shan is
Speaker 1: why how my ship? My ship ain't white. So I'm twenty,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm cocky, I'm arrogant. I'm
Speaker 1: already known in the Bronx. I'm a graffiti writer really
Speaker 1: named k r Rest and I'm writing on the six
Speaker 1: train and the five, the two and the five. We're
Speaker 1: hitting the bus yards for the rod bus yards. So
Speaker 1: I'm already on my ship in the graffiti world, and
Speaker 1: I was, I'm just throwing it out there. I was
Speaker 1: on my ship, bomb and busses and trains and we
Speaker 1: were trying to get into the wrap deal, hopefully to
Speaker 1: get some money and get out the hood. They said
Speaker 1: you why so I wrote, I was, I wrote the
Speaker 1: Bridges over first, before the South, before the South Bronx.
Speaker 1: I wrote the Bridges over because that was more my ship.
Speaker 1: And I was on some reggae ship. So I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I used to listen to shine Head, actually was my inspiration,
Speaker 1: shine Hand. I used to listen to shine Hand, Michigan
Speaker 1: and Smiley yellow Man, Lieutenant Stitchy, Major Macro, Nija man On.
Speaker 1: I used to blast all that. So he was like, see,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Okay, So so it's like, so
Speaker 1: I'm listening to all that. But Scott was like First
Speaker 1: of all, Scott started to get down in his spirit
Speaker 1: because he had already shopped our music to everybody, and
Speaker 1: they all turned us down. They said it was too
Speaker 1: educated to preachy. You don't sound like the rappers out here.
Speaker 1: Because we were talking about nuclear a wall, the government.
Speaker 1: This kind of day was like, na, I wrapped, don't
Speaker 1: need I know about lutle nat because you I'm just
Speaker 1: we want I'm just telling you that anyway. So we
Speaker 1: was like, you know, nobody was gonna sign us. No,
Speaker 1: no one wanted us. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck it? I wrote the Bridges over. I said it
Speaker 1: to Scott. Scott was like, nah, man, because nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: gonna play that reggae ship. Nobody want to hear that ship.
Speaker 1: They want to hear like run DMC and this. So
Speaker 1: you're telling me the Bridges over was wrote before Shan
Speaker 1: actually dropped the bridge. No bridge out, No, the bridge
Speaker 1: was out, and I wrote the Bridges over. So now
Speaker 1: let me just tell you this is where you also
Speaker 1: crushed my dreams as a child. Fair hip hop started out.
Speaker 1: I thought he was telling I'm a child, all right.
Speaker 1: I bought the nineties seventy seven right, what what year
Speaker 1: did shann drop that record? That was like eighty six
Speaker 1: eighty six? So technically how old am I? Nine? Ten?
Speaker 1: Nine years old? Nine? So I believe as a nine
Speaker 1: year old, but I don't. I've never been at But wait,
Speaker 1: here's the real of it. We both were wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait wait me and you ll meet you. And okay,
Speaker 1: he said, you love to hear the story again and
Speaker 1: again how it all got started way back when the
Speaker 1: monument is right in your face, sitting and listening for
Speaker 1: a while to the name of the place, the bridge. Okay,
Speaker 1: that caused the battle, that's what because you knew hip
Speaker 1: hop originating. I was going watching BAM right, so now
Speaker 1: we as as as as as we go. So it
Speaker 1: was that line that made you that's it. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's Magic, said we was garbage. It made his fury
Speaker 1: combined with that line, Well, that line was the excuse.
Speaker 1: But Magic wasn't from Queen's Bridge. No, magic is from Magic.
Speaker 1: He's from Brooklyn. No. But but you hear this record
Speaker 1: and why Well, first of all, Magic just dissed us
Speaker 1: and and basically was hopping on the fact that his
Speaker 1: number one MC was this dude right here, mc shan.
Speaker 1: So being from the Bronx, hungry broke poor with nothing,
Speaker 1: we said, you know what, that's food right there. Let's
Speaker 1: go get him. This is crazy and so food right,
Speaker 1: We said, yo, we wrote up. I wrote the bridges
Speaker 1: over first. Scott didn't like it, said, no, nobody's listening
Speaker 1: to reggae ship If you really want to go at dude,
Speaker 1: come with some ship. So the original bridges Over was
Speaker 1: a reggae Yeah, okay, it was super Cat books boom
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boo boom boom the super Cat for
Speaker 1: that right, super Cat literal left right for a little while.
Speaker 1: That was I was all in the super Cat right there.
Speaker 1: And he had a record called said Bop standing going up,
Speaker 1: hug him up. He said, boo standing in the boom
Speaker 1: boom boom boo boom boom boom boom boo boo boo boom.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, put that to some boom back
Speaker 1: the same ship we used to do in the in
Speaker 1: the in the shelter, we used to hit the bathroom.
Speaker 1: He didn't like that. So then what happened? You went back?
Speaker 1: He put on this record that goes, hey bro, I
Speaker 1: got that good cheap achiever boom boom, Hey bro, I
Speaker 1: got that good chiep a chief. You have to keep
Speaker 1: cutting that far out. So Scott's cutting that ship. And
Speaker 1: I was like, way back in the days when the
Speaker 1: hip hop began with Coke Lrock, Cool HRC and Damn Bamn.
Speaker 1: He was the Scott was like, oh yo, you need
Speaker 1: to come with that next like three days later he
Speaker 1: got his check. We went to the studio. It was
Speaker 1: fifty dollars an hour and you get an ascetake at
Speaker 1: the ends. It was a bargain like the ascetake was
Speaker 1: only five hours, but they said and the acid take
Speaker 1: two hour minimum. We spent fifty dollars. We made a
Speaker 1: four track. We did South Bronx and the ps Free
Speaker 1: the same day, two hours on the bridges of Us.
Speaker 1: South Bronx and the p is Free, the original with
Speaker 1: d knights from the beat and we got du plate out.
Speaker 1: So we took that down to Latin Quarters and Raoul
Speaker 1: was playing Red Alert wasn't even on yet. It's a
Speaker 1: dude named Raoul. That is sidebar on, all right, was
Speaker 1: my homie. Shout out to sidebar, shout out to sidebar.
Speaker 1: What's the older people? As I said me, And because
Speaker 1: I stopped, no, no, no no, because I just figured
Speaker 1: Raoul so continue this story. We gave him. We gave
Speaker 1: him asta take, We gave him the dump player. He
Speaker 1: put the ship on. From the second that ship came
Speaker 1: on bridges own No, the South Bronx on the south
Speaker 1: it said Queen's after Queen's But queens Wich is a
Speaker 1: huge hit record should play on the radio every day.
Speaker 1: Throw the ship on the club, dudes. We were very
Speaker 1: proud of how long do we have? How long do
Speaker 1: we have? How long Queen's were we? It was about
Speaker 1: a month, It was about a month. We only had
Speaker 1: a month, maybe two months, maybe two months. We had
Speaker 1: six months. No right to give us two months even
Speaker 1: if it was like two months was on the radio,
Speaker 1: it was like one month. The ship was he was
Speaker 1: in the club already, and then and then he came back. No,
Speaker 1: then Shan came back. No, no, no, no, no, let's
Speaker 1: not skip okay, So we only had a month where
Speaker 1: it was okay to be from Queensbridge, left Franck Projects
Speaker 1: and then no, wait a minute, rephrase the question. No,
Speaker 1: you guys had like three you had like three or
Speaker 1: four years. Because when ce when when run DMC came
Speaker 1: out and l L and that shant it was cool
Speaker 1: with them. I'm cool with all of that. So why
Speaker 1: did you ship? Wait a minute, No, lyrically, I wasn't lyrically,
Speaker 1: I wasn't see this was the time. This was a
Speaker 1: time where you had to prove run, d m C said,
Speaker 1: amazing lyric I think it was d m C he said,
Speaker 1: other rappers can't stand us, but give us respect. That
Speaker 1: sums up the whole eighties with do you feel like
Speaker 1: DMC was like a pop group to you back? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was nothing pop about run DMC. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This was straight hood okay, jam Master Jay okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Jane was hood hood okay Okay. Now Run and d
Speaker 1: they were straighthood as well. They came from different other
Speaker 1: parts of Queens, but Queens the whole of Queen's good okay.
Speaker 1: So it was like Run to MC was just kings
Speaker 1: like they would just say and and you always took
Speaker 1: a shot at those who was on the top if
Speaker 1: you was the little guy on the bottom. That that
Speaker 1: that's what it was. It was like even um Rox
Speaker 1: and Shante had a line where I met Running, I
Speaker 1: met d m C and I said so and it
Speaker 1: was like one of her dopest like one of her lines,
Speaker 1: and she had put it. But that was the attitude
Speaker 1: like you ain't large, you you ain't you know even
Speaker 1: though you are, and you demand But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this question. When he said hip hop started out
Speaker 1: in the dog was was that something that directly bothered
Speaker 1: you because you knew the truth scholarly, yes, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know the truth. I thought I knew the truth.
Speaker 1: So this is young arrogance. I'm hanging out in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: North Bronx, South Bronx, East West Bronx. I'm the whole Bronx,
Speaker 1: Gunhill Road to Milborough Projects. Okay, whole Bronx. First time,
Speaker 1: I'm a graph writer, So I walked the entire Bronx.
Speaker 1: My maid is okay, I'm the whole Bronx. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm running in the party's dudes, you know we know ship.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear, and I didn't hear. No, we did.
Speaker 1: We used to go to Queen's. Queen's had the dopest party.
Speaker 1: But so you did hear Pete? No do alright, come on,
Speaker 1: come on up man Queens. No see what it was? No, no,
Speaker 1: let me childhood store. Let me say this. Let me
Speaker 1: say this. My wife is from Queens, okay, s Queens.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no, no, that's the queen right Jasmine
Speaker 1: in the village in Queens, Queens. I'm gonna pick you up. Sorry,
Speaker 1: pigau me a wife. He's looking for I'm looking for
Speaker 1: my Queen's st orbans. See this is what I'm talking about. Man,
Speaker 1: Niggas don't respect this part the nigga no matter a woman.
Speaker 1: Let's leave this. Listen. On the island, people used to
Speaker 1: be like queens, like you started something. So niggas from
Speaker 1: queens at that time on the island spit out razors
Speaker 1: and buck fifties. You might have originated buck fifties. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you knew that. But because queens, he's like everything murder,
Speaker 1: I do, I do mask. You don't care? This is?
Speaker 1: This is he's like my father, Like I mean, like,
Speaker 1: ain't you blame your father for everything? Don't we all? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Don't we all? Yeah? Don't we all? So? Um? All right,
Speaker 1: So when you heard hip hop started out an adult
Speaker 1: and you knew that, you knew that it didn't know.
Speaker 1: I knew Cool herd existed, I knew Bama, knew flies
Speaker 1: she exists that I didn't know them, but their names
Speaker 1: were in the hood crazy, So you knew she was fronting? Yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: well I knew he didn't know. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if he was fronting. It's just that because and he
Speaker 1: wrote about what he saw from his perspective, and so
Speaker 1: I went out to record South Bronx and and today
Speaker 1: it's to be scholarly correct hip hop starting the West Bronx.
Speaker 1: It never started the South Bronx. That was my next
Speaker 1: question ahead, this is the West Bronx, Coolheart Avenue, the Bronx. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's West Bronx. But we were so ghetto ignorant and
Speaker 1: gas to get on the record. We South Bronx, South
Speaker 1: South Bronx. Because that was one of my other history
Speaker 1: books was were people from the other part of the
Speaker 1: Bronx when they still chair Oh yeah, everybody North Bronx,
Speaker 1: East West was all from the South. Because even now,
Speaker 1: like when Biggie you hear you yeah, Biggie, or you
Speaker 1: hear um nah, somebody's out out the Bronx, they never
Speaker 1: say the Bronx. They say the South Bronx. And I
Speaker 1: always wondered when people from the other side, well they
Speaker 1: offended by that, Like it's just like Biggie shout it
Speaker 1: out on one record when God bless her dead. Obviously
Speaker 1: when Big was alive, he was like, yo, I shouted
Speaker 1: out Queen's Bridge, and I was like, I'm from Left Fract,
Speaker 1: Like I don't really get that, like, you're not shouting
Speaker 1: out the whole Queens when you shout out Queen's Bridge.
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge is a ninety six building that you come
Speaker 1: over Manhattan, and that's just that section for people that's
Speaker 1: right next door to it. Ravers would a story of
Speaker 1: they don't recognize Queen's Bridge. We understand what you mean
Speaker 1: by shout out Queen's Bridge and thinking it's the whole
Speaker 1: Queen's but it's really not. So I always wanted it
Speaker 1: was that the opposite when you said South Bronx, um
Speaker 1: was people in the West Bronx. The Bronx took it
Speaker 1: differently because the Bronx wasn't on the map. Brooklyn was
Speaker 1: on the map. The Brooklyn is still on the map.
Speaker 1: Rules you could be in dues off journey. You say
Speaker 1: broken in the house, what the fly was? Okay, there
Speaker 1: was nobody was. There was a record called Go Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I think that's the Sonic Mighty Mike Master somebody go Brooklyn, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: That was it. That that was the club anthem. That's
Speaker 1: what we did. That's what it was. So when I
Speaker 1: came to South Bronk, yeah, that's what I want to
Speaker 1: go that's where the Bronx was on the map. And
Speaker 1: then I mentioned dudes that were heavy in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: you know, Nine Lives Crew, Cypress Boys, Real Rock. So
Speaker 1: what you're telling me is after you dropped the South Bronx,
Speaker 1: shan drop kill that noise, that's what made you drop
Speaker 1: Bridges Over. Yes, this is terrible. No. Never, First of all,
Speaker 1: I would have been over. It was horrible. This is terrible. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know what no let me tell you. When kill
Speaker 1: that noise came out, it was a hit. Was it
Speaker 1: was a hit. First of all. That be think of
Speaker 1: the Casey Sunshine band beat done. That was crazy. Think
Speaker 1: he even used it again. He used it the doo
Speaker 1: don't jun jun juno, don't don't don't don't, don't don't
Speaker 1: come that that that that was the case. When he
Speaker 1: knew that on it was hot. It was like, oh
Speaker 1: he came back. It wasn't It wasn't whacked until the
Speaker 1: Bridges Over came out. Marst Off, you're hurting my feelings.
Speaker 1: But I need to know how this happened. I need
Speaker 1: to know, like we all, because you're my favorite artist
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm a child, and you you broke
Speaker 1: my dreams like ruined ship with the murder people all around.
Speaker 1: The boy my whole life as good as it's because
Speaker 1: he's my god. You so how did this session? How
Speaker 1: did how did how did this? Because you said you
Speaker 1: originally recorded original version it was a reggae b no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I never recorded it, just I just said it in
Speaker 1: Scott's living room. He said, nah, wow, So you did
Speaker 1: the South Bronx. So did the South Bronx and the
Speaker 1: noise came out and did Now Scott got on the
Speaker 1: reggae when he heard the ps free when I did
Speaker 1: South Bronx and then the ps free on the other side.
Speaker 1: You know, um, when we used to do that in
Speaker 1: the club, that was the rock that that was the record.
Speaker 1: So Scott was like, what's up this reggae? Like what?
Speaker 1: He started getting on it. Now he was on it.
Speaker 1: But then Shan answered, us would kill that noise if
Speaker 1: you knew what I knew, you'd kill that noise. And
Speaker 1: the record was hot for it's time, and so we
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, we got this joint right here,
Speaker 1: and Scott didn't even was already recorded. No, it was
Speaker 1: all my record. Scott never recorded the bridges over he
Speaker 1: never even well. He came for the mix of the
Speaker 1: second one. But when when um, when Shan put out
Speaker 1: his record, I went back to said Gee from Ultra Magnetic,
Speaker 1: who who who was doing our beats? And he said,
Speaker 1: actually was sampling? He he was, He had the SP twelve.
Speaker 1: So I asked him, Yo, give me some drums. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go in the studio up the block from Latin Quarters.
Speaker 1: I found some little rinky think studio like two blocks
Speaker 1: up and I said, Yo, Shan came out with this joint.
Speaker 1: I'm coming back. Went in there and I produced the
Speaker 1: whole records. I took said Gee's drums. Boom boom back back,
Speaker 1: boom back, boom boom back. That's the same beat we
Speaker 1: did on the bathroom wall and the shelter boom boom
Speaker 1: back back boom back. When and dudes just get it in.
Speaker 1: That was just the standard beat. So we did that.
Speaker 1: Put the super cat to it. Boom boom, boom blah
Speaker 1: boom bom. I played the piano one take one time
Speaker 1: you listen to the instrumental. That's the sloppiest playing ever.
Speaker 1: As errors mistakes, all types of shipping. But no one
Speaker 1: heard all that. Put my lyric down the Bridge is over.
Speaker 1: I did that ship strictly for Brooklyn, straight up Bronx,
Speaker 1: South Bronx. That was straight up Gunhill Road, straight up
Speaker 1: west Chester, Jamrong, Grand Concuse, that was straight that this one.
Speaker 1: We said, Yo, this is what Brooklyn is on right now,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows it. Nobody. Nobody goes to the jams like, well,
Speaker 1: actually what it's called the don side. The Dan's all.
Speaker 1: They don't go to that. We'd be it. We was
Speaker 1: in there with Stone Love and GT International and all
Speaker 1: of that. So when he was talking about battle and
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, we're gonna battle the way they
Speaker 1: do in Jamaica. We're gonna spin the record back this up,
Speaker 1: gun shot we go and America's never hurt. They was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? The bridge is over? What did I buy?
Speaker 1: They didn't know what the fun that hurt? It was
Speaker 1: like it was that's what it was called sound. I'm
Speaker 1: not even from the Bridge, I'm just from Queens, but
Speaker 1: it still hurts. Scary. I'm gonna take a moment of silide.
Speaker 1: Take that moment, let's drink. So let's drink that chance
Speaker 1: sent opcially fund it out. So why did why did
Speaker 1: you even respond to sharing this Shan Shannon? Listen, let
Speaker 1: me just say, Shannon still a godfather, no doubt of
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge of Queens, He's still a forefather. But this time,
Speaker 1: why did you respond, like Shan is the reason k
Speaker 1: arrest one has a career. Damn okay, this is to
Speaker 1: make some noise for that man. For second, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: the greatest battle on record, no doubt on record. To me,
Speaker 1: it was the greatest battle because it affected like it
Speaker 1: changed people with lives. Like right now, when I see
Speaker 1: people battle, they don't change people's lives. We just laugh
Speaker 1: at them. And you know, but this like Queens had
Speaker 1: to prove ourselves, like we had to like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like South Bronx was was was was
Speaker 1: the position where you had to dig out the rubble.
Speaker 1: I got the outside. It's gonna go away where he said,
Speaker 1: It's like Brooklyn has always been recognized. I can remember
Speaker 1: back and uh nineties seven. I used to go to
Speaker 1: Atlanta and be like, yo is Atlanta in the house
Speaker 1: and nobody from Atlanta what never you know say anything?
Speaker 1: And when I said New York in the house, people
Speaker 1: go crazy. And I would saying Brooklyn and were always
Speaker 1: my first choice Brooklyn and and these people won't go crazy.
Speaker 1: I'll see him. I would see him backstage. And but
Speaker 1: like you from Brooklyn, we're at that. But like Queens Boulevard,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's a line and motherfucker. But you changed the
Speaker 1: game from that. And so Shan responded to recently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why did he started? You started? He started it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He just he did an interview. No no, no, no
Speaker 1: he didn't. Well wait he didn't do a record, No
Speaker 1: he did, he did, um he did. Uh wait wait,
Speaker 1: let me go back, just for the record. I was
Speaker 1: battling some other two in Pittsburgh recently. Yeah, maybe a
Speaker 1: three months up like Hill Chris, I would have got
Speaker 1: I mean, having eggs and bread in my fucking hand
Speaker 1: and ship on. But I give the young kids a
Speaker 1: run for their money. Man still got it. They got
Speaker 1: to test somebody. The young shooters got a little somebody.
Speaker 1: The young kids don't know my history. So don't tell him.
Speaker 1: Don't tell him because he spank that. But but they
Speaker 1: but but but the point is is that I was
Speaker 1: bounding some other someth dude jumped on stage. He was
Speaker 1: this and he was dressed like L holding l L's
Speaker 1: album album, and I was freestyling. I said some waxh
Speaker 1: it about l L. I apologized for that because l
Speaker 1: L is up here. You know, he's even before me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. There's no disrespect there. But
Speaker 1: I was battling, and the battle is for moment. He
Speaker 1: was like spurt. He held up l L's album. I
Speaker 1: was like, are you telling me some kids just jumped
Speaker 1: on stage? Yeah? Yeah, well just just jumped. So I
Speaker 1: gave him a shot. Why what you got? He spent
Speaker 1: his ship. It was corny, and so I started going
Speaker 1: away this Pittsburgh, Okay, you did say that. So in
Speaker 1: that he put up Sham this album and I said,
Speaker 1: we took Shan out already. What's your old this problem
Speaker 1: up for? Shann heard that and said, fucking man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he never took me out this, that the other. Do
Speaker 1: you agree with his theory? His theory is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: should have been in front of each other like how
Speaker 1: the Battle Rappers do. Now do you agree with that theory? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He just never showed up. Dude. It's thirty years. It's
Speaker 1: thirty years the festival. I've been all up and down
Speaker 1: Queens okay in Queen's Friend, there's no excuse outdoor festivals,
Speaker 1: come on Summon Champ thirty years and now he wants
Speaker 1: to do it face to face. That would be the
Speaker 1: end of his ship. If you ever want to see
Speaker 1: him all that should will be destructive. I don't know
Speaker 1: what he's asking for, but you know, I eat off
Speaker 1: this ship, man, I this is my ship right here.
Speaker 1: You know, still have it in you? Like you right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot somebody. So you really were in the
Speaker 1: studio and recorded a new Well he came out with
Speaker 1: something he did. He did an interview and he said
Speaker 1: some rhymes on the interview that he's coming at me
Speaker 1: so well from you don't just say that's like pulling
Speaker 1: your gun and not shoot, like what you're gonna pull
Speaker 1: your ship out? I'm blasting you. That's sad, That's I'm
Speaker 1: not what that's the end of. So he said his
Speaker 1: little piece, So put a piece out. So what did
Speaker 1: he exactly say? He like, I'm freestyle a cappella. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it was written though it had
Speaker 1: no heart to it, like a real freestyle. He was
Speaker 1: reading some ship and he read some ship off and
Speaker 1: and I just so fu Yeah, I'm going to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I'm going to Atlanta. That's what, dude? Is that? That's what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shan working, sham working a place called Club Babes in Atlanta. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going there. Okay, that's why I don't know what
Speaker 1: I just started. Come on, you want to see it.
Speaker 1: Let's get it popping so you will be willing drink champs.
Speaker 1: I think this is an opportunity for us, right, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want it to do with this battle. I
Speaker 1: just want to see it online. Queens, man, I don't
Speaker 1: really want to see this battle, can you? Is there
Speaker 1: anyway we can chill you out or no? Not? What? What?
Speaker 1: What did they say that ignited you to want to go?
Speaker 1: It's not what it's being said. It's so it's the
Speaker 1: audacity to even think that, after thirty years you you
Speaker 1: got something for me. You are crazy. You obviously want
Speaker 1: more hits on your ship or whatever it is. Let
Speaker 1: me give them to you, Let me give it to you.
Speaker 1: Let let me blick you up. Because again, let me
Speaker 1: also say this, if Shan never answered me, I would
Speaker 1: not have a career. Okay from the South, bron from
Speaker 1: the South, Bronx. Okay, that record could have been one hit,
Speaker 1: Like if South Broncy came out, we would have had
Speaker 1: one hit. Okay, we had no other shot. Shannon answered,
Speaker 1: would kill that noise, and then he never He didn't
Speaker 1: have to. So we came back with the Bridges over
Speaker 1: and that's when we was able to follow up with
Speaker 1: Criminal Minded. We had four songs on the market. Now,
Speaker 1: Shannon is the reason I exist, or the least I
Speaker 1: could do. His bust his ask, that's the least I
Speaker 1: can do. You know what I'm saying, Show him that
Speaker 1: and hopefully I said, Yo, somebody should write for Chancey.
Speaker 1: Back to your first question, back to the first ones.
Speaker 1: I see if someone wrote for Shan, I would not
Speaker 1: be mad at all. Fuck that man saved that nigga man. Please,
Speaker 1: so you kept saying to him, you told you told
Speaker 1: him his name is Nah spelled backwards your father. It's
Speaker 1: the opposite, yo, Yo, Let me pick up my nigga
Speaker 1: nos real quickly, because you said, look at the Queen's
Speaker 1: Bridge was done until Ill Mattic came out. Okay, just
Speaker 1: for the history, Okay, Queensbridge was criminal Minded? Was was
Speaker 1: the ship on that ship? That was it? Okay, I
Speaker 1: think Illmatic was better than Criminal Minded. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Um um. Me being a queen's kid, I can't understand
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. But me living in that era,
Speaker 1: I gotta say criminal Minded. If it wasn't a criminal Minded,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a matter. We could say that, no doubt,
Speaker 1: no doubt. We could say that, so we can say
Speaker 1: I'm a real hip hop ki. No no no no
Speaker 1: no we tried no no no no no no. You
Speaker 1: real with it. You influenced eyes too. But you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what you are starting right now. Whoever is
Speaker 1: listening to us right now, go and listen to both
Speaker 1: albums right now, back to back, back to back. Listen
Speaker 1: to the whole Criminal Minded, and listen to the whole Illmatic.
Speaker 1: I did that this morning. That's the creaz Listen. Listen, listen.
Speaker 1: You know that's Criminal Mind is one of my favorite albums.
Speaker 1: I just it's two records. I can't really listen to it,
Speaker 1: but I listened to them. But this morning I just
Speaker 1: woke up and I was like, I wanted to listen
Speaker 1: to Illmatic. I don't know why, and I just listened
Speaker 1: to it. And then I listen to criminal another mind
Speaker 1: if you want to switch the champagne you know so,
Speaker 1: um so I understand what you're saying. But me living
Speaker 1: in that era, that's um. I can one hundred since
Speaker 1: tell you nas what answer the question the same way.
Speaker 1: He'll be like, if it wasn't for a criminal minded,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't know because you made us step our game up.
Speaker 1: You know what, but that game, but that game got
Speaker 1: stepped up to the point where hip hop changed. But
Speaker 1: change hip hop too, just in case, because you don't
Speaker 1: know you and you humble, but you changed hip hop.
Speaker 1: You You was the first person you was. You was
Speaker 1: our Malcolm X. Let me break that down to you.
Speaker 1: It is because hip hop had took up like the
Speaker 1: p M Dawns, and it took up Hey, we're cool approach,
Speaker 1: but we wanted to keep that attitude. But we also
Speaker 1: wanted to learn something and that's the position you fulfilled.
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why your your name as a teacher
Speaker 1: would never be testing at all. No one could ever
Speaker 1: say he's not a teacher because you taught us the
Speaker 1: woof Tangs, the mob deeps, the Bona Noriega's the Nazis.
Speaker 1: So I can't agree with your statement. I know your
Speaker 1: statement is humble, saying that all Maddock is better, but
Speaker 1: I think it is beat for beat. No, but that's not.
Speaker 1: But that's not how history happened. Because how history happens
Speaker 1: is they say, you know this happened in order for this.
Speaker 1: I hear that. So that wait, when I was coming
Speaker 1: from a different perspective. We're talking about respect. We talk
Speaker 1: about yeah, you're a great guy, a great guy. We
Speaker 1: understand when you're wait, wait get it. How else was
Speaker 1: Queen's been supposed to come back? But now nothing out? Now,
Speaker 1: let's answer Shan's question. Because I listened to the interview.
Speaker 1: Shan is also a guard to me. He said that
Speaker 1: Molly told him not to respond. What do you think
Speaker 1: of that? That's pussy, That's that's pussy. It was right
Speaker 1: for him. I wanted him to think that that's pussy. Man,
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god. Now that's grown ass. Man
Speaker 1: gonna tell you not to response. We're eating your ass
Speaker 1: right now, nig somebody don't respond and ship right. Oh man,
Speaker 1: this is real for me, this is so surreal. Welcome
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Speaker 1: Radio with Rapper and R and d Jes. Then I
Speaker 1: don't even know where to go here if we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap this up before here, before we wrap this up,
Speaker 1: I'm the only Miami represented here, right, Yes, So it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be right for you to walk away without me
Speaker 1: to represent my generation of Miami hip hop. And when
Speaker 1: you recorded with Mother Superior this album, didn't really see
Speaker 1: the letter. This is your usually lie. Mother Superior. Mother
Speaker 1: Superior is this dope m C that came out of
Speaker 1: Miami in the mid nineties early mid nineties, and she
Speaker 1: was spearheading our movement. I mean, there was those funky Bastards,
Speaker 1: there was Society, Home Team, there was there was We
Speaker 1: had a bubble of movement that was parallel to the
Speaker 1: base movement based, no doubt is a part of our
Speaker 1: Miami culture, but we had we had a hip hop
Speaker 1: and the way you guys were talking about how everybody
Speaker 1: was talking about the Brooklyn, the Bronx or whatever in
Speaker 1: the clubs, we had that problem here. So what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do is build our own identity. He did
Speaker 1: a record, so she did this album she got signed
Speaker 1: the Island Music she you know, strictly off of underground radio.
Speaker 1: She did a song called rock Bottom, which was totally
Speaker 1: representative of Miami. And then he did a record with her,
Speaker 1: maybe a couple, but this one record I put on
Speaker 1: one of my mixtapes, but her album never came out
Speaker 1: and got shelved. And he said, where you at? Where
Speaker 1: you at? Miami's on the map. I remember that, and
Speaker 1: then you remembers everything that made that made the world
Speaker 1: of difference for a Miami hip hop kid. And I
Speaker 1: just you couldn't leave without me telling you that because
Speaker 1: it made the world a difference for all of us
Speaker 1: out here that I felt shot out some other superior,
Speaker 1: superior she was. She was hot man stone words. Peter
Speaker 1: got question, where was your mind that when you made
Speaker 1: the sound of the Police? I was sick of these
Speaker 1: pigs man shooting us down in the street. And it's
Speaker 1: still going on still, what it was going on since
Speaker 1: we got here? So what was the sound of? What
Speaker 1: year was that? Technical? Damn this and were now one
Speaker 1: years and you made that record then? Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: still going on now still to this tape, Little n
Speaker 1: W A man the police? What was. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: the police that And see, this is the thing is
Speaker 1: that people say, you know, black people are overdoing it.
Speaker 1: We have documents, records that says that these people was
Speaker 1: doing it. So I just like to say, what was
Speaker 1: the mind state you woke this in the South Bronx.
Speaker 1: Well keep in mind that. Wow. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to say this, but um, in the Bronx. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you was really successful with you'll hustle in the hood,
Speaker 1: the cops was your friends. It was Larry Davis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were. Larry Davis was right on our block like
Speaker 1: Webster Project. He was up the block from Webster Project.
Speaker 1: The whole thing went down. Um, the cops was like
Speaker 1: they were gangster like. It's like, oh boom, okay, to
Speaker 1: speed this up. Training day, the movie training day. That
Speaker 1: ship is every day all day. Okay, just go out
Speaker 1: training day and you'll know what it is. It's just
Speaker 1: this was another gang with another jurisdiction. And then and
Speaker 1: this is what we was dealing with. So if you
Speaker 1: remember in Bookie Down Productions, we had to we had
Speaker 1: to do called RoboCop that was with us and there
Speaker 1: were two of them. One was um A Bounced was
Speaker 1: the lead bouncer at Latin Quarters who is known for
Speaker 1: breaking dudes up in Latin Call. He had a reputation.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to deal with this dude, okay. And
Speaker 1: there was another dude, uh that was a state trooper,
Speaker 1: New Jersey State trooper. Um when I'm posting on the
Speaker 1: going to cover biomies necessary with the oozy the ouziest
Speaker 1: from a New Jersey state trooper. Remember the studio jet shopper.
Speaker 1: I didn't look at I didn't look as cool as you.
Speaker 1: That was from New Jersey said she was so weird.
Speaker 1: Austin it was like it got to a point where
Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, we we can't associate
Speaker 1: with you anymore because of what was going on. It
Speaker 1: was a split like in our own community, because like
Speaker 1: if you're really in the hood, like like you could
Speaker 1: be selling mad drugs, but your brother's a cop, Like
Speaker 1: your cousin's a cop, your uncle's a cop. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just oh, I'm a cop and everybody around
Speaker 1: me is clean. It's the exact opposite. Dudes, did the
Speaker 1: cops even today they gotta live with people like like,
Speaker 1: imagine you a cop and every day you see crime
Speaker 1: all around you every day, but you can just pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna arrestue today. How did you come up with
Speaker 1: an analogy from officer overseas? But that's that's some ot
Speaker 1: ship because when we when we were first and we
Speaker 1: were first brought here uh not as slaves but really
Speaker 1: as soldiers on the Spanish side, um uh and and
Speaker 1: then slaves on the English side. Although that's controversial too,
Speaker 1: but yo, yo, hit yo, yo, we're gonna get your
Speaker 1: new phone cameras. No, I need that when I need
Speaker 1: that ship, I need that. My ship is eighty can't
Speaker 1: do that. I'm bringing that ship back. I'm personally buying you.
Speaker 1: I gotta beeper nickels. I got no word. I'll say, y'all,
Speaker 1: I bring my ship IOUs serious, I gotta beat hold
Speaker 1: my beeper man, bring beepers back that yo. That yo.
Speaker 1: You want to get dream, you gotta beat us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta beat us. I'm personally buying caress the world. Okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So you remember you're talking about because you can forget
Speaker 1: it and um yeah I did. Yeah, that's okay. Listen,
Speaker 1: we wanted to take the community, oh, cops in the
Speaker 1: community that's right, signing the police. So the cops is
Speaker 1: always your friends in the hood, which is the weirdest
Speaker 1: ship because when you really in the hood, cops ain't
Speaker 1: arresting you, ain't shooting you. He's a bitch, instead of
Speaker 1: shooting at us. Motherfucker's that ain't no real ship. That's
Speaker 1: some bullshit. Okay, that's that's scared. They said, we're scared.
Speaker 1: That's what we shoot because we're scared. Real cops. They
Speaker 1: know exactly who's selling who they hit the d A. Yo,
Speaker 1: go watch training day the d A. Go ahead, this
Speaker 1: dude to this one. I say all the time when
Speaker 1: we have police brutality, is when they stopped letting the
Speaker 1: cops from the hood go to hud because you know,
Speaker 1: you know what you call it from down the block.
Speaker 1: He went to school with him. You know he's a thief.
Speaker 1: You don't need to kill him. But when what happened
Speaker 1: is they take the cops from our hood and they
Speaker 1: bring them to another place, and then they bring the
Speaker 1: cops from another place, and that's the borderline. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's one of the essential reasons why police brutality exists,
Speaker 1: because if you had Jamal that that's from sound View project,
Speaker 1: and that went to school and sound View, and then
Speaker 1: that was patrolling sound View. He's gonna be different as
Speaker 1: opposed to as a Paul to Walter, who's from wherever wherever,
Speaker 1: but now he's patrolling sound View. He's never seen a
Speaker 1: kid with braids. He's never seen a kid either by
Speaker 1: since I see so he's gonna just do whatever this woman.
Speaker 1: This add on. The police are supposed to be the
Speaker 1: model citizen in the community, no matter who you are,
Speaker 1: white cop, black cop, Latino cop, Asian cop, Arab cop.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna funk who you are. You take you take
Speaker 1: police training. You're supposed to be the model citizens. You
Speaker 1: should have the most restraint. Okay. Kids are looking at you.
Speaker 1: They should be able to look at you and be like, yo, dad,
Speaker 1: I want to be a cop, and your dad be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta really be a good man to be a cop.
Speaker 1: And that that's what it's supposed to be. But our
Speaker 1: children forget adults. Okay, children know the cops are corrupt. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the state we are, right, Kids, not forget the adults.
Speaker 1: Kids know I'm not safe around this duo. I'd rather
Speaker 1: be around my shooters over here with the rag on
Speaker 1: the here, I'm safe around crips and blood. I rather hot.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm even gonna say that ship. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I rather higher them, which we do as opposed
Speaker 1: to some some off duty cops. Years ago, we used
Speaker 1: to hire off duty cops x FBI. These dudes need jobs.
Speaker 1: You just go ahead and you hire them for and
Speaker 1: now you give them some money. You're doing your country
Speaker 1: or service. These are veterans, and ship, do you do
Speaker 1: your thing now? It's like, nah, man, let me organize
Speaker 1: these blogs over here. Hit them with some money because
Speaker 1: on the street for let me hit them with some cash.
Speaker 1: And y'all God, y'all can stand in. Just do what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do and get organized. I'd rather hire
Speaker 1: them as long as we know that we're not safe
Speaker 1: around the police. This whole ship is corrupt and let
Speaker 1: me show you this. I want some Illuminati ship if
Speaker 1: you really want to know. Years ago, like eighty two,
Speaker 1: there was a supposedly a conspiracy theory going around about
Speaker 1: eighty three. It said that the new World Order is
Speaker 1: going to include a global police force, and the way
Speaker 1: to implement the global police force was for local police
Speaker 1: to become so hated by the local community that the
Speaker 1: local communities cry out for international interference. So now you
Speaker 1: have these cops today randomly just shooting down black people,
Speaker 1: just shooting and it's stupid. It's like, it's ridiculous. Now
Speaker 1: the rest of the world's saying, Yo, what's something with America?
Speaker 1: What's what's something? Do you go to other places? You know?
Speaker 1: Nor are you go to places? Dudes looking at us
Speaker 1: like wait, crazy, like you know what's going on? Got
Speaker 1: Africans asked me, you old bro, what's something? Man of
Speaker 1: black man? Sometimes you land in these different countries, they'd
Speaker 1: be like welcome, like you're here, like you survived. And dudes,
Speaker 1: you think that's because because became president it got worse
Speaker 1: or no no, you're saying yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know what he got to do, and he got
Speaker 1: a lot of factors in it. First of all, people
Speaker 1: want black people in jail. Okay, people making money on it.
Speaker 1: Black people are making money on black people in jail. Okay.
Speaker 1: This black d a sending business Like, don't doubt this
Speaker 1: black d a sending black people a prison. Black judges
Speaker 1: are sending black people to prison. Black cops are sending
Speaker 1: black people, black cops, black stop shooting black beebo. We
Speaker 1: y'all gonna drop, I got you, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: like it's like, are we really at war with any
Speaker 1: outside for us? So we all with ourselves? Are we
Speaker 1: just going along with the script that they have planned
Speaker 1: for us? And it's like straight up and down. They
Speaker 1: just had Tyler Quality was just with me the other day.
Speaker 1: He came over. So he just told me he just
Speaker 1: came from the White House with a blood. The rappers
Speaker 1: were there and really nothing got discussed, you know. And
Speaker 1: they never call people like me or Chalk or and
Speaker 1: one or no doubt, and that's that's what they need.
Speaker 1: But they never know. But you know what they had
Speaker 1: ricked there. You know what I'm saying. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm saying, no, why don't they because
Speaker 1: they know you're gonna come with the truth. Look, here's
Speaker 1: the point is that is that we're moving into this script.
Speaker 1: The United States has to become what its name is
Speaker 1: in order to it to survive. United funk all this
Speaker 1: black ship, give me this this this is this legendary
Speaker 1: what right here America? We got to become a United America.
Speaker 1: Gotta stand up for America, like straight up when you
Speaker 1: go to other country's nick is this in US man
Speaker 1: this and the Americans this and not everybody because my
Speaker 1: first game president, everybody with you know whatever. Overseas, they
Speaker 1: was like black like the like the first year after
Speaker 1: that there was you know. But there's a rumor that
Speaker 1: you didn't fly. He was taking boats and Franklin. So
Speaker 1: so do you do you fly now? No? I fly privately.
Speaker 1: I love flying. I fly helicopters. I'll fly private jets
Speaker 1: and things like that. Take a few private jets here
Speaker 1: in there. But commercial airlines for me, it's too much
Speaker 1: to love in the hood is too much for k arrest.
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't do nothing like you know, like
Speaker 1: to get to the airport, it takes me an hour.
Speaker 1: The baggage claim sucking the whole baggage claim. I take
Speaker 1: pictures with everybody pounds. I'm not leaving my people. I'm
Speaker 1: not is gonna walk past you. So everybody said, yo, Chris,
Speaker 1: I gotta stop. I gotta take things. I got sign ship,
Speaker 1: get on the plane. The stewardess buggat the people on
Speaker 1: the on the plane, bugging Captain. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: and this was ninety seven. I said, forget it. I'm
Speaker 1: not flying. I'm not flying on what I can't you
Speaker 1: haven't from since ninety seven, actually ninety six. Let's being rich.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You gotta be tweating a line a rich. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's not rich. I'm not a rich man. I'm a
Speaker 1: very poor man. No, no, me too, I say the same,
Speaker 1: I take I'm not rich, me too, I'm pot. But
Speaker 1: the private thing is let's talk about it. But but
Speaker 1: but I won't fry privately. I take very good care
Speaker 1: of my wife and my children. Okay, that's what it's.
Speaker 1: I don't need anything, but they need a lot. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I say, look, I don't want to have
Speaker 1: a career where I'm away from my kids on my wife. Ethan,
Speaker 1: it's that the other so and I can't be away
Speaker 1: from my wife. She books all the tours. Did you
Speaker 1: book a boat to London? I heard that. I heard this.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm rushing out of here now. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going to Speen tomorrow. Talk about are you getting a
Speaker 1: boat to Man's Woman? Mimi, I'm going in tomorrow. This
Speaker 1: Coronesian Nowegian cruise posting right up to your board. I'm
Speaker 1: getting on that ship and then it goes to go
Speaker 1: to Spain. How many days? Fourteen days, I'll be in
Speaker 1: Barcelona world, So this is this is current you and
Speaker 1: college is like the only two left. You know, College
Speaker 1: don't fly either. I think he got expected though fly?
Speaker 1: Why should he fly? So? Why what? What? Why you
Speaker 1: wouldn't fly? Well? Well, first of all, like I told you,
Speaker 1: commercial travel to me is just hectic. Besides that, like
Speaker 1: you know now, besides that, I have books to write.
Speaker 1: I got rhymes to right, I read a lot. My
Speaker 1: life is slower, you know what I'm saying. I take
Speaker 1: time with my family, my wife, my daughter, my son's
Speaker 1: I got you need time for that. So you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen days at see, I'm finishing up three books that
Speaker 1: I'm just finishing. You just zone now try that one.
Speaker 1: You should. You should try writing rhymes in the middle
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic. I got a d D hit that
Speaker 1: you don't have a d D smoke too much. I
Speaker 1: might just jump over escualde Cures. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have it. And the thing is the weed
Speaker 1: I smoke is so loud, like it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: judge that come out. I'm gonna tell you a story, right,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I was in Hawaii because I remember
Speaker 1: this story because he's drinking my ties. So I'm in Hawaii, right,
Speaker 1: I'm out, hold on, hold on, I'm smoking weed. Right.
Speaker 1: This is my first marriage, it's my I'm married again,
Speaker 1: it's my second one. Pray for me. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there smoking. The people at the Four Seasons, the Four
Speaker 1: Seasons Maui. So they called me and they say, yo,
Speaker 1: are you smoking up there? And I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I paid for this room, but I
Speaker 1: just know my accountant lost her mind. So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm smoking. They're like, kids, you would you mind not
Speaker 1: smoking on the terrorists? So I said, now you're inviting
Speaker 1: me to smoke in the room. They're like, you're right.
Speaker 1: They're like, we have a very important guest that is upstairs.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, did the guests pay more than me?
Speaker 1: And they're like no. So I'm like, well, they're like
Speaker 1: Mr Santiago, that's my last name. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you don't pay. Puerto Rican makes a noise for La team,
Speaker 1: but I'm black and like so so they say I'm
Speaker 1: actually performing in Santiago. This is a gift. So they
Speaker 1: say to me, they say, you're right, you're actually outside.
Speaker 1: You can't do it. I look on the news. This
Speaker 1: is when Oprah um step son had drowned in Hawaii
Speaker 1: and Maui. So the person I was telling them to
Speaker 1: tell them the funk that I paid the same amount
Speaker 1: was fucking Oprah. This is hard a morbid story because
Speaker 1: I like that I actually paid square for square. We
Speaker 1: had the same exact room. God bless you know the
Speaker 1: people who passed away and everything. But that ship was
Speaker 1: just a moment for me. It was a moment for
Speaker 1: just me standing in my ground but now and trying
Speaker 1: to make this one work. The second was always the best.
Speaker 1: You're the second one to ms. Melanie was first, okay
Speaker 1: a year and a half and big up to her
Speaker 1: wresting peace. God blessed not that I'm every related, by
Speaker 1: the way, So if you seen me do that, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm a Muslim, Christian, God body your caress. Thank you
Speaker 1: for so much for hanging out with us. And we're
Speaker 1: not going and I'll come back. I'm not fourteen days
Speaker 1: when I come back. The people need you let's just
Speaker 1: break it down for these people. You are going fourteen days,
Speaker 1: So now how does this cruise happen? You leave in Miami,
Speaker 1: do you stop anywhere? Yes? Will you stop that? We
Speaker 1: stopped in fun called Africa. We stopped on you go
Speaker 1: from Miami to Africa? Yeah, we got that. Real questioning Africa,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of some Bahamas, a little Bahama, little Bahamas.
Speaker 1: Then you get out to Africa, then you get done
Speaker 1: this trip before. Oh yeah, no doubt. Not only this ship,
Speaker 1: but I've done other ships I've done. And how many
Speaker 1: times do you say you them this oh sailed? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh at least thirty times? And you believe in a
Speaker 1: boat you've got an everything Titanic? No, no, no, there's
Speaker 1: no Titanic anywhere in the Atlantic Ocean. The coast guard
Speaker 1: will get you in ten minutes. Anyway, It ain't that
Speaker 1: bo that's bullshit. That's this movie ship. This rich motherfucker's
Speaker 1: on that boat. That boat ain't going nowhere. There's no
Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's nothing now mind you. Now come on now,
Speaker 1: Caribbean Cruises and all that you cruise, Do I get them?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no doubt. You get platinum gold status, healthy passengers,
Speaker 1: no doubt. But some of the triangle, the triangle you
Speaker 1: haven't been there. Yeah, part of the triangle you've been
Speaker 1: right through it. Get right there. The Bermuda try and
Speaker 1: go only acts something when when like you know you
Speaker 1: you have to go through that and like like, um,
Speaker 1: it's like certain seasons where they say it's like hurricanes
Speaker 1: season or this kind of thing. Look everything, because it
Speaker 1: gets the bottom line. You trust the boat more than
Speaker 1: the plane. No, no, no, okay, I trust me driving
Speaker 1: ship more than anything. Okay, I would prefer to get
Speaker 1: my own boat and sail across the sea myself, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to settle for a small yacht. Like
Speaker 1: you know, I could do a small yacht right now,
Speaker 1: but that's not what I want. What I want is
Speaker 1: an actual ship that I could go across and of
Speaker 1: course mad money. So I'm just holding out till I
Speaker 1: can get my own ship, and then I could. I
Speaker 1: could see some motherfucker's want to buy planes. They want ship,
Speaker 1: pair of us one and one on the ship something
Speaker 1: that's straight up no doubt. So you think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you this last one? Um, it's the last question.
Speaker 1: Boxing don't have no representative which means that if you're
Speaker 1: a boxer, you make it, you make it. If your
Speaker 1: boxer you don't make it, you're fucked up. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no reparations, there's no like you know, type of
Speaker 1: you know, to hold you down. Hip hop is the
Speaker 1: only other, I want to say, entertainment company that we
Speaker 1: might have thirty people that's down with us. But when
Speaker 1: you go on that vocable before you go to perform
Speaker 1: that record, it's just you. Similar to boxing, we don't
Speaker 1: have nothing to representing us in the hip hop. We
Speaker 1: hear that the president just recently met Matt with these
Speaker 1: people Toddler Quality brothers that we know bust the rhymes.
Speaker 1: What do you think it's our solution to make we
Speaker 1: need a hip hop you know when you wanted the
Speaker 1: life insurance or the health insurance even further than that.
Speaker 1: Now Um yeah, well let me let me because like
Speaker 1: right now, like like DC right, phenomenal guy lost his voice.
Speaker 1: They should have been health insurance that kind of helped
Speaker 1: him restore that. We didn't have that and right now,
Speaker 1: But it's because Jenna Kiss said something on our part cast.
Speaker 1: He said, we're the only people who have a hip
Speaker 1: hop South hip hop regions. Yes, there's no hip hop,
Speaker 1: there's no rock and roll South, there's no rock and roll.
Speaker 1: Why are we segregating? Why are we saying and and
Speaker 1: and do we need this? This this policies where we
Speaker 1: if Coolherd gets sick, we can go and help him.
Speaker 1: Do we need that? Yes we do, Yes we do,
Speaker 1: and and and and and I advocated absolutely. Unity is
Speaker 1: the only thing we talked about, American unity. Let's let's
Speaker 1: tweak it down to hip hop unity. Hip hop is
Speaker 1: the greatest urban movement to hit human history. Let's just
Speaker 1: start human history. Okay, human history, Okay, hip hop breaking
Speaker 1: him seeing graffiti or DJ and beatboxing. You can add
Speaker 1: street fashion, language, knowledge, all of that. That movement in
Speaker 1: the hood. That that right there, hip hop is is
Speaker 1: what America really is. It's like the true declaration of independence.
Speaker 1: It's what America is. But we got these old people.
Speaker 1: You asked me also about hip hop's old school. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have respect for the old school. We always should,
Speaker 1: we did. Those are the ancestors, those are the elders,
Speaker 1: those are the fathers, godfathers and so on. That's that's
Speaker 1: what it is. But when you don't do your job,
Speaker 1: you don't deserve the respect of the youth. Elder is
Speaker 1: always asking for respect that they don't deserve me. I
Speaker 1: try to earn the respect of the youth. I don't
Speaker 1: look down on them. I think they're smarter than me.
Speaker 1: I think they're faster than me. I think they think
Speaker 1: of things beyond what I can think about. Now. Of
Speaker 1: course I tell them, hey, look, I'm the old head
Speaker 1: in the room, and I like that ship. I'm fifty
Speaker 1: fun this ship. Okay, that's my ship. I got a
Speaker 1: our peacon. I want my ship next time. Dude, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. What fifty percent off hotels ship
Speaker 1: is bad? Let me tell you, Okay, we yo, were
Speaker 1: the elders in this. Young people are supposed to look
Speaker 1: up to us and be like, Yo, that's what it
Speaker 1: means to be fifty and hip hop world. You got
Speaker 1: your knowledge downpack, your family straight, you got your money right,
Speaker 1: You're doing your thing. That's what young people need to
Speaker 1: see and see more blue the blue print. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Shows like this, your ship bringing people
Speaker 1: together right now as we speak. Right now, as we speak,
Speaker 1: dus is here and what it is what we gotta
Speaker 1: do is really unite, and here's what it's gonna take.
Speaker 1: Here's you asked this about to stop the violence movement
Speaker 1: about my brothers ain't doing that today? What we're so
Speaker 1: hard to do that today? Too much, too much competition,
Speaker 1: not enough cooperation. Okay, we live in a capitalist come
Speaker 1: we we we we live in a capitalist society where
Speaker 1: uh where competition is the number one order of the day.
Speaker 1: So the young are trained to kill the old so
Speaker 1: that you can get so so that you could you
Speaker 1: what it is the younger train to kill the all.
Speaker 1: The all a train to kill the young so you
Speaker 1: can stay in power. Kill these youngest as they coming up.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to take your hip hop the
Speaker 1: only generation like you know, the Odds brothers could tour forever.
Speaker 1: Why did they try to kill the older? Well, it's
Speaker 1: that it's that competition. It's still competition. Look when we start,
Speaker 1: when we stopped thinking of hip hop as a music
Speaker 1: and start thinking of it as a culture, a nation,
Speaker 1: a community. When you start realizing that you are a nation,
Speaker 1: you're a sovereign nation, all we gotta do is unite,
Speaker 1: just just unite. Just here's a unity. I here it is.
Speaker 1: Let's print our own currency. Alright, start right, This is
Speaker 1: the unity of any nation starts with trust. We print
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars for every hip hop citizen in
Speaker 1: existing we have a million citizens. We print a hundred
Speaker 1: million of our currency currency. Wif cent I'm coming right
Speaker 1: now here, he'll he'll be a fifty cent piece, fifties
Speaker 1: worth more than that. But but I'm saying, print our
Speaker 1: own currency, and let's see if the people spend that. No,
Speaker 1: they will, You'll be instantly rich. People buying albums, we
Speaker 1: give them, give them currency by our currency, not our albums. Right.
Speaker 1: If we gets selling the album, we did that, we
Speaker 1: know that game. Now let's sell currencies in which you
Speaker 1: got the k arrest currency, and d would be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this ship is worth this this week up against the
Speaker 1: American dollar, up against this is the end, up against
Speaker 1: the Euro, against this ship. Yo. Look, if you gave
Speaker 1: me a hundred thousand dollars, say you know, let's say
Speaker 1: I gave you a hundred thousands. Okay, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand hip hop currency currency. Okay, now you're
Speaker 1: gonna spend it with my man right here. What we
Speaker 1: what we want is specialized people to have this money electricians.
Speaker 1: Right now, hip hop is old enough. We got doctors, lawyers, ps, workers,
Speaker 1: we got all kinds of and entrepreneurs, okay, huge entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1: All we gotta do is trade our own currency with
Speaker 1: each other, with each other. This hip hop has their
Speaker 1: own stores, farms. Look, dude, funk that American dollar. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see if you're gone this is I gotta
Speaker 1: be until four in the morning on the plastic I'm
Speaker 1: not it's plastics. Ship. We gotta join. We gotta drink somewhere.
Speaker 1: Are your caress. I love you so much, man much,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us and being a
Speaker 1: great sport. Took a drink. You even tried to smoke.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to. You gotta need bring you back
Speaker 1: to the old school. Dude, brother, I'm adas that over there. Okay,
Speaker 1: bass it over there. That's the drink. We gotta take
Speaker 1: one picture with you. Over there, came green. There's no
Speaker 1: way I can thank you ever in my life. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in your video. We have a moment. I'm
Speaker 1: being her video. But it's no way I can thank
Speaker 1: you ever in life. Because this is this is actually
Speaker 1: like one of the first hip hop albums I've ever
Speaker 1: listened to this man. Yeah, one of the first people
Speaker 1: that I ever said. Then I thought about like my
Speaker 1: Mom's like, what you're gonna be in life? And I
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know. I knew I couldn't
Speaker 1: be a teacher, not like you. But I am a teacher,
Speaker 1: but not like you. I'm a different teacher because I
Speaker 1: show him a different path. But if I've never would
Speaker 1: have heard you, I would have never wanted to speak.
Speaker 1: I would never be here. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Some hot Kim Green. You know that's my brother. He
Speaker 1: called me And when he called me, I said I
Speaker 1: knew the number, but I hit him back. I just said,
Speaker 1: called madness And he got a website. Right, come on,
Speaker 1: I can't come over here, come over here, here here, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So shout out your website. We got the maddesm dot
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Grow When you say grow, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm about cannabis. I'm talking about that goodness chronic that
Speaker 1: you know what we do, what we got going on.
Speaker 1: Your casts need to know how to grow for themselves.
Speaker 1: It's not not just about smoking it, but industrial hip
Speaker 1: is a multi b pipe in the mail. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got the whole. We got the hot box, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. How we got different ways of you know,
Speaker 1: the vaping, got the smoking, the leaves, the paper, the blood,
Speaker 1: but we got the hot box. It's just a special
Speaker 1: way of inhaling, you know what I mean. It's real,
Speaker 1: real good. I want more. Are you a vegetarian? What
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? Yes, so you don't eat no fish? No,
Speaker 1: I try to eat. I leaned toward a vegetarian die,
Speaker 1: but I do eat fish. How about you. I'm not
Speaker 1: a vegetarian, right, but I am about my health. I
Speaker 1: do a lot of juicing. And I said, you keep
Speaker 1: up with the bartender trying happy about trying to d
Speaker 1: I drink. Yeah, thank you so much for saying my
Speaker 1: brother yo, no jarres. Yeah, I called you Chris for
Speaker 1: the first time in my life. I never called you Chris. No,
Speaker 1: what you know what. It's through the records. It's like
Speaker 1: I never knew if I had the ability to call you, Chris,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate what that man, greatest
Speaker 1: sport you actually sat down and drink. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I was gonna be able. I didn't think I was
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get anyway with it. Shout out,
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