WEBVTT - Teen Dream

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<v Speaker 1>M h. Welcome to the stuff of life. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Douglas. The early teens are years of upheaval and turmoil,

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<v Speaker 1>their years of physical and glandular change, new and wider

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<v Speaker 1>relationships with people, and new inner feelings in the early adolescents.

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<v Speaker 1>In the book A Field Guide to Getting Lost, author

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca Solnitt writes that when she pictures herself at age fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she can see flames shooting up. She says, she sees

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<v Speaker 1>herself falling off the edge of the world, and she

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<v Speaker 1>is amazed that she survived, not the outside world, but

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<v Speaker 1>the inside one. Parents of almost every child find the

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<v Speaker 1>age of puberty or early adolescence full of problems. The

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that these difficulties are normal and usually only temporary,

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<v Speaker 1>helps fitter and family friction into more constructive channels. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt that the teenage years are marked by turmoil,

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<v Speaker 1>but this betwixt and between stage is a relative newcomer,

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<v Speaker 1>born out of the twentieth century, when increasingly wealthy nations

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<v Speaker 1>did away with child labor and instead focused on education.

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<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen fifties, adolescents emerged as its own bona

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<v Speaker 1>fide phase of development. The adolescent is self centered, bills

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<v Speaker 1>responds to every situation that's concerned with how it affects him. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we treat teenagers like another species, beings fumbling for the

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<v Speaker 1>portals into adulthood. We admire them, we fear them, but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly we forget that at our core, each of us

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<v Speaker 1>is still falling off the edge of the world. We

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<v Speaker 1>are still that teenager. In this episode, we talked to

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<v Speaker 1>a neuroscientist about the teenage brain. As a result of

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<v Speaker 1>the increasing activity of this biole logical stress system, UH,

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<v Speaker 1>teen and young adults seem to have a more robust

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to stress. And we talked to some intrepid teens

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<v Speaker 1>about what it feels like to be on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of adulthood and what the media gets right and what

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<v Speaker 1>the media gets wrong. Well, of course there's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other experience compared to back then, but there's even a

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<v Speaker 1>different experience because of your gender or like like your race,

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<v Speaker 1>like it goes even deeper than just being simply that age.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, let's take a step into the inner sanctum

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<v Speaker 1>of the teenage girl with photographer Ronya Matar. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>photo in the book about like a little teen age

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<v Speaker 1>girl in the Palestine refugee camp, and she's she's wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a headscar but she's addressed exactly like a picture in

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<v Speaker 1>her closet of Hannah Montana, as she's striking the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same places Hannah Montana, And there was something so endearing

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<v Speaker 1>about that. So I photograph girls in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and in the Middle East. I mean, for me, this

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<v Speaker 1>was also the whole project about identity, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>about my current identity at my daughter's identity as being

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<v Speaker 1>from the two cultures. And it so happened that anytime

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<v Speaker 1>you might put the news on now you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about some terrorists, something happening in the middles or

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<v Speaker 1>about refugees, and we forget that there's the normal people

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes are just the same. So for me,

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<v Speaker 1>this work became really on focusing on that universality through

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<v Speaker 1>the girls and Ronne's book A Girl in Her Room,

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<v Speaker 1>An essay by Susan Minett describes the bedroom as the

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<v Speaker 1>first cocoon a girl will create for herself. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a chrystalis. If we could see inside, we would witness

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most extraordinary changes in the animal kingdom

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<v Speaker 1>metamorphosis the girls in a way are really growing up

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to to kind of get a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>who they are and how they are perceived in the

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<v Speaker 1>world by their friends, by other adults. By I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really trying to come to terms with their identity.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said that the room was the place where

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<v Speaker 1>they would experiment with that. What they surrounded themselves on

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<v Speaker 1>the walls, stuff on their bed everything. It was such

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<v Speaker 1>an intimate setting. The impetus for a girl in her

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<v Speaker 1>room came from Ronney's then newly emerging teenage daughter. When

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter turned fifteen, especially saw the change in her.

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<v Speaker 1>She had been a townboy soccer player before, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, she was just like becoming this girly

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<v Speaker 1>girl who I felt I hardly recognized. So I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of became fascinated with with the changes she was going

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<v Speaker 1>to and thought I was one of photographs something. And

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<v Speaker 1>then her friends would come and I started kind of

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<v Speaker 1>photographing them, and then I realized that these girls are

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of my daughter, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>some of them as well, but my daughter was like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole different person that I had never seen, and

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<v Speaker 1>they all kind of started to sound all was the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same expressions and ponalities and the same straight hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, so I decided, you know, maybe it would

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<v Speaker 1>be more interesting for me to photograph each girl by herself.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I started photographing each girl, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>started originally with that friends of my daughters or daughters

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends, and um, it so happened that we

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<v Speaker 1>did it in their bedroom, and I quickly realized that

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<v Speaker 1>this was my project. The room not only provided sanctuary,

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<v Speaker 1>but it reflected aspects of the girl's personality back to

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<v Speaker 1>the camera. When the girl was around in her room,

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<v Speaker 1>it was she was more she was being herself. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that there was such an interesting, really

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<v Speaker 1>organic relationship with this with the girl in her space.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ronne's book of photos Susan Mine Rights Pink gives

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<v Speaker 1>way to glitter, stuffed animals, to figurings. Pictures of animals

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<v Speaker 1>are replaced by pictures people and with objects no longer

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<v Speaker 1>selected by a parent. Then to the she adds her

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<v Speaker 1>own creations, and soon the walls are taken over and

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<v Speaker 1>the closets in the bed. The teenager's room is her cave.

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<v Speaker 1>So perhaps these scenes of girlhood morphing into womanhood are

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<v Speaker 1>so compelling because they reach across time and connect to

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<v Speaker 1>all of us who, at one time or another we're

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<v Speaker 1>grasping for who we were or who we wanted to become.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's something very interesting happened because at that

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<v Speaker 1>point I was really interested in photographing girls in this

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<v Speaker 1>country and because this is where I lived and where

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<v Speaker 1>my girl, my daughter's growing up. And then somewhere as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing this project, it's really struck a chord with me,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was those girls when if I gave earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in a different country and different culture, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was the same, and there was something This is

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<v Speaker 1>when it tissed me at the whole universality of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I decided to include girls in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's exactly what you say, like, um, it put

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<v Speaker 1>me back into my teenage here just like something. There

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<v Speaker 1>are things that never changed. And maybe the pictures on

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<v Speaker 1>the wilds are of different rock stars, but I also

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<v Speaker 1>had pictures of rock stars back then. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>had something a little different happening. As I was growing

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<v Speaker 1>up doing the living in Civil Wars, I was collecting

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<v Speaker 1>sharpnell and bullets, bullets also from the street like whenever

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<v Speaker 1>they was fighting. The next day I would go out

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<v Speaker 1>with my friends and little collectors, and they were also

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<v Speaker 1>stayed in my room. But this was also part of

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<v Speaker 1>the identity I was growing up. The team's geographical locations

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<v Speaker 1>in socio economic status varied widely, but still there were

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<v Speaker 1>more commonalities than differences among them. The cover of the book,

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<v Speaker 1>her name is Chris Pilla. I love this photo because

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<v Speaker 1>you you look at it and you really think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a young woman in the United States or anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You would never think this is a living new girl.

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<v Speaker 1>She's blonde or faith blonde. She's so she has a

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<v Speaker 1>gigant to take photo of Marlin Monroe behind her, and

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<v Speaker 1>she has this kind of attitude playing down, which is

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<v Speaker 1>for another kind of universal teenage girl in her bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>attitude as and and it shows people off a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because people assume that if she's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>from the Middle East, she has to be covered or

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<v Speaker 1>oppressed of blah blah blah with the whole kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rhetorically here all the time, and that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other markers of teenage universality beyond pop culture expression.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was interesting is even in the refugee camp

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<v Speaker 1>and anywhere it felt like there was always the mirror

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<v Speaker 1>and often the laptop and Facebook. And for me, these

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<v Speaker 1>were like in some way the outside world coming into

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<v Speaker 1>the room, or because the mirror is like okay, all

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of seeing how they want to portray themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to others right in some way, and and Facebook is

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<v Speaker 1>the way they come indicating with the outside words from

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<v Speaker 1>the comfort of their bedroom. In this sense, mirrors and

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<v Speaker 1>social sites like Facebook are conduits to identity. Think of

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<v Speaker 1>all the images and expectations that team girls are inundated

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<v Speaker 1>with now, think of all the attendant anxieties that come

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<v Speaker 1>along with living in a time where the gaze has intensified.

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<v Speaker 1>But they put on the wall is often what they

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<v Speaker 1>want to be. And there's another young woman, her name

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<v Speaker 1>is Fianna, and she surrounded herself with all these beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>models in her wall, and there was something painful about

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<v Speaker 1>that in some way, and and she said something like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as I was getting photographed, I kept thinking

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<v Speaker 1>how do I look? And compared to the pictures on

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<v Speaker 1>my wall. We tend to think of teenage girls is

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<v Speaker 1>armored up in their makeup and their defiant stances. But

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<v Speaker 1>as Ronya points out, that's often the condition of vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>I found with the the gut to have that they

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<v Speaker 1>have this armor for the outside world, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>take the time to really be with them in the

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<v Speaker 1>room and kind of whatever, you see how vulnerable they are.

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<v Speaker 1>This was really a revelation to me. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>the girls. There was another girl in the book as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and her name is Dizzy, and she was wearing a sweater,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I was photographing and she got more at these,

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<v Speaker 1>she showed she took off for a sweater and I

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<v Speaker 1>could see that she had cuts on her arms, and

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<v Speaker 1>and she's somebody who when I saw on the street,

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<v Speaker 1>looked like somebody who had build an armor, and she had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she had the attitude you might think off

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<v Speaker 1>a teenage girls, and all of a sudden, when she

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<v Speaker 1>took off that, I'm like, oh my god, she's she's struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was really actually very powerful moment to me

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<v Speaker 1>because then she told me, I do want to photograph

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<v Speaker 1>them because when I look at them, it reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of what I overcame, where I was, and where I am.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was something also very powerful about that that's

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<v Speaker 1>also very vulnerable. Photographing the girls gave me a portal

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<v Speaker 1>into teenagers that helped her to reconsider her own children.

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<v Speaker 1>With me spending so much time with them and really

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<v Speaker 1>building that trusting relationship, I could see the vulnerability and

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<v Speaker 1>how hard it is to be a teenage girl. And

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<v Speaker 1>it really made me so much more understanding of my

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<v Speaker 1>own kids in some way, to give them more space

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<v Speaker 1>in some way and to often ignore this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>um attitude that I could have worried about otherwise, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, no, this is this is just part

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<v Speaker 1>of growing up and they have to do that part

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<v Speaker 1>of cutting the cord. And I'm their mom, and these

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<v Speaker 1>young women I was photographing there's no way their mom

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<v Speaker 1>could have taken the photos I took. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>something that really made me understand that quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that's interesting is as I'm photographing them, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really bonding with them after the point that I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of them, and I'm would pass the mirror

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh my god, what am I thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>So what just wron? You want you to take a

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<v Speaker 1>way from what she saw through her lens. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>have a harder time looking young girls being photographed. All

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, people associate also of uh, you know, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's sexuality and those I'm like, there's nothing sexual. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's something empowering about owning up to being a

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<v Speaker 1>girl and too. You know, you could be you could

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<v Speaker 1>go plase soccer the next day, but you still are

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<v Speaker 1>owning up to your body changing and all that. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's something I feel like, it's important for me to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the work with respect that the girls deserves.

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<v Speaker 1>To wear her hair and clothes, according to the latest

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<v Speaker 1>style is much more important than to wear them in

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<v Speaker 1>the most becoming ways. She's not mature enough yet the

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<v Speaker 1>world knows best, and she wants to be sure of

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<v Speaker 1>her place in the world. And the Wired article a

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<v Speaker 1>troubling adaptation the beautiful teenage brain. David Dobbs writes, quote

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<v Speaker 1>in scientific terms, teenagers can be a pain and ass

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<v Speaker 1>but they are quite possibly the most fully crucially adaptive

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<v Speaker 1>human beings around. Without them, human beings might not have

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<v Speaker 1>readily spread across the globe. In this segment, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Elaine F. Walker about vulnerability and the teenage brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Early teens are years of uneven development, that are spirits

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<v Speaker 1>of mental energy as well as physical and at other

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<v Speaker 1>times nothing seems to be happening. Research on adolescent brain development,

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<v Speaker 1>brain function and behavior is an area that is very

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<v Speaker 1>active right now and we have a lot to learn.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Elane Walker and a professor of psychology and you're

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<v Speaker 1>a science at Emery University. For thirty years, Elaine has

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<v Speaker 1>been conducting research on risk factors for aarious mental disorders,

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<v Speaker 1>especially schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. And guess what being

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<v Speaker 1>a team can be a risk factor, depending on, of course, genetics,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the kinds of stressors teams are exposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to mention certain drugs. Certainly, at this point, there's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of evidence that adolescents are more responsive to certain

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<v Speaker 1>emotional stimuli than either younger children are adult. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's the stress response as regulated by the hp A

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<v Speaker 1>axis or hypothalamic pituitary adrenal access. The main thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that cortisol, the stress hormone, is released, and the brain

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<v Speaker 1>gets wind of this hormone and tells the hypothalamus and

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<v Speaker 1>pituitary glands to chill out, which both puts the body

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<v Speaker 1>on high alert, but make sure that it doesn't go overboard.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is when there's a persistent elevated cortisol released

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<v Speaker 1>that left unchecked, can lead to changes in brain struck

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<v Speaker 1>and behavior in and of itself. That normative increase in

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<v Speaker 1>cortisol release may make adolescence a more vulnerable period because

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<v Speaker 1>the stress system hp A axis is ranting up its activity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically one part amped up emotional response to stress

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<v Speaker 1>and one part dicey environmental conditions along with the brain

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<v Speaker 1>still under renovation state that could present a tipping point.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that so many psychiatric disorders have their peak

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<v Speaker 1>onset period during adolescents in young adulthood is probably a

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<v Speaker 1>function of the fact that brain maturation during adolescent is

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<v Speaker 1>playing a role in triggering the manifestation of vulnerabilities. This

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<v Speaker 1>means that for teens who are at the risk of schizophrenia,

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<v Speaker 1>puberty could set the stage for the disorder, and hints

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<v Speaker 1>of it can emerge in something called prodromal symptoms. Symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>that are associated with heightened risk for latter schizophrenia include

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<v Speaker 1>subtle version of the defining features of schizophrenia and and

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<v Speaker 1>other psychotic disorders. Uh The individual might report that they

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<v Speaker 1>think fromtimes that they're hearing their name called, but when

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<v Speaker 1>they check, there's no one there, and they attribute that

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<v Speaker 1>perceptual anomaly to just their imagination. Turns out that those

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<v Speaker 1>who go onto full blown psychosis have higher levels of cortisol,

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<v Speaker 1>have exposure to more stress, and are more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>use cannabis. The thing about this that's so fascinating is

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<v Speaker 1>that the same underlying plasticity that sets the conditions for

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerability to brain changes like psychosis. Maybe the saving grace

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<v Speaker 1>for the team who can be identified early on this

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<v Speaker 1>work is still in the investigated stages, so many of

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<v Speaker 1>the studies have not yet been replicated. However, it does

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<v Speaker 1>appear that the likelihood that an individual will develop a

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<v Speaker 1>psychotic disorder can be reduced if they are provided with

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive therapy after they begin to show the prodromal sign.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of neuroplasticity is in itself a big risk

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<v Speaker 1>by nature the idea that to ride the edge of development,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to ride the razor's edge of a shape

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<v Speaker 1>shifting brain, negotiating the twists and turns of risk, reward,

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<v Speaker 1>and emotion. Let's watch some of these youngsters as spend

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<v Speaker 1>Friday afternoon and evening we'll see what some of the

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<v Speaker 1>common troubles are. Oh no, I don't think they're ready

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<v Speaker 1>for these hot tracks. Good Ready. Box Communications is a

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<v Speaker 1>multimedia and journalism program for uncensored teen publishing and self expression.

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<v Speaker 1>Four vox teams took over the studio to record their

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on gender, how they're represented in the media, and

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<v Speaker 1>how media like you know, high school musical shaped their

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<v Speaker 1>ideas about adolescence. My name's Catherine, a k A. Cat

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<v Speaker 1>On eight seen my glorious gap years ending gloriously. My

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<v Speaker 1>name's Manuel. I am eighteen years old. I turned nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday. I graduated from North Atlanta High School at

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<v Speaker 1>last year, and I also took a gap year. My

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<v Speaker 1>names some Eira. I'm seventeen. I go to the Cap

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<v Speaker 1>School of the Arts. I'm Caleb. I'm eighteen. I'm girl

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<v Speaker 1>in status now I go to Best Academy High school.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the media gets wrong and right

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<v Speaker 1>about being a teenager? I don't know. I see a

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum really like I either see like teen celebrities like

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<v Speaker 1>Kylie or like local news teenagers that are only like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, oh you know, they were body slapped by

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer. In the classroom or you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>was something crazy on the streets. What I see our

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<v Speaker 1>minority teens only being reported on when something bad happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, when non minority teens white people. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>see things like these four college girls died in a

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<v Speaker 1>car accident. Well that's that's sad, of course, but that

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<v Speaker 1>happens all the time. Why are you following that? And

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<v Speaker 1>of course here in Atlanta we have a huge operiods

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<v Speaker 1>and jug abuse, but it's really only reported on minorities

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<v Speaker 1>who are doing it, when in reality it's the wealthier

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<v Speaker 1>areas of the city that have the highest use. When

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<v Speaker 1>I think about teams, I think about how we're portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>in movies. Yes, as if like every single high school

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<v Speaker 1>in America has this major peg mentality. Gods to your loaners, here, jogs, here,

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<v Speaker 1>the popular kids. I'm like, that never worked at my school.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say that high school musical let

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<v Speaker 1>me down, because I thought it was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like that. It's not musical schools all boys, But

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<v Speaker 1>I just there are, like you, all the jocks, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there are the nerds and the geeks and like

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<v Speaker 1>the people that just don't do anything at all. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think that, like from from what I've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to experience from high school, Like, even though there's division,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like teams now aren't judging like millennials aren't

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<v Speaker 1>judging each other based on like characteristics. More teams are

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<v Speaker 1>really now judging itself off of like what's our resume

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<v Speaker 1>look like girl? Or like what you're doing, or like

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<v Speaker 1>you like your status? Like it isn't really about like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, physical appearance is still always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>something teams you know, if you think or not. But

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<v Speaker 1>other than that, I mean the whole like jocks versus nervousing.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, today's teams seem to be on the whole

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<v Speaker 1>better adjusted. In two thousand and fifteen, the Centers for

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<v Speaker 1>Disease Control released the results of the Youth Risk Behavior

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<v Speaker 1>Surveillance Survey and found that today's teens smoke less, drink less,

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<v Speaker 1>and have sex less in the previous generation. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>ten point eight percent of teens today smoked cigarettes twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. That was thirty four point eight percent. Today's

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<v Speaker 1>teens are also forty six percent less likely to be

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<v Speaker 1>in strength and teenagers twenty years ago. In fact, they're

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one percent less likely to have ever tried alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and yet they just can't shake the reputation

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<v Speaker 1>that they're overdoing it, especially emotionally. What adults have said

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<v Speaker 1>in my life like, um, when I overreact about things, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, because by the time you're an adult, the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we think about are much are like small

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<v Speaker 1>things to them, like all that petty stuff that goes

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<v Speaker 1>on in school, that small stuff. At some point it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like it's non existent, like an adulthood. So

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<v Speaker 1>they don't really according to at least when my adults

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<v Speaker 1>like adults, But I feel like adults really just like something.

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<v Speaker 1>Adults probably just lied to you because adults have been

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<v Speaker 1>justice petty teenager. I mean, since social media is huge,

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<v Speaker 1>adults are just as petty on Facebook as we are petty,

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<v Speaker 1>oh gosh, Like they're making memes just like we are,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're laughing at all the same things that go down,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we are. And if adults are exposing themselves

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<v Speaker 1>as petty and social media, even as a mirror points out,

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<v Speaker 1>they tell teens that the little indignities of life don't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>What exactly does it mean to be in an adult anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>For me? Adulthood isn't necessarily turning eighteen or getting a

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<v Speaker 1>car or a bank account. It's how you carry yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how you react to situations, how you adapt to things,

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<v Speaker 1>how how you express yourself, and how you treat others. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's basically how I view it. As an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>you're only pushed to build relationships for other adults who

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<v Speaker 1>have opportunities for you. So understanding that whatever you say

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever you do has a consequence to it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what adult means. Sometimes it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>argue what adult hood means because you know, like people

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<v Speaker 1>are human, so they're gonna they're gonna slip up sometimes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like adulthood has so many different nations to so many

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<v Speaker 1>different people. Yeah. I think I'm pointing to say, is

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<v Speaker 1>that adulthood has nothing to do with your age. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's something that we all kind of agree on. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when I turned eighteen, I'm thinking, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be this amazing flash of light, gains superpowers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, save the word. I was just so

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<v Speaker 1>in my imagination. I'm sorry, but like, but like, truthfully,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the same way that I felt when I

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<v Speaker 1>was five, when I was ten, and I was twell, like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no grand transition to this. One day you just

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<v Speaker 1>look up in your eighteen and the first question, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an adult. And then I'm like what, No, Like, wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>new transition. Is there an an instruction? Man? This leads

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<v Speaker 1>to a discussion of expectations. I guess from the African

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<v Speaker 1>American point of view, as a black man, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to go out what's supposed to do and

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<v Speaker 1>come home and bring home the money to support your family.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I completely agree that, I mean from from the base,

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<v Speaker 1>from the baseness of that, as a man, you're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. But I feel like, then, well, well

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take you along adding a black man to that.

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<v Speaker 1>From what my family has shown me what a black

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<v Speaker 1>man is supposed to be, I feel like in society

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not I'm not playing the victim here because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like playing the victim here, but black men

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<v Speaker 1>are really like I'm not even gonna use exercise because

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<v Speaker 1>that's just such a huge and loaded word. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like black men have to do even more

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<v Speaker 1>than just what a regular let's just say white man

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<v Speaker 1>has to do. I mean, I feel like our image

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<v Speaker 1>is always under attack. Kleen feels the pressure of holding

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<v Speaker 1>up the mantle of being a black man to project

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<v Speaker 1>and work to attain a positive image that his white

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<v Speaker 1>male counterparts are already impuged with. And this is very

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<v Speaker 1>much part of the culture of patriarchy in our American culture.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still definitely living under this patriarchy that men have

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<v Speaker 1>to be this way and do this and women follow afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>which I personally would like to challenge um on my

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<v Speaker 1>in my personal life and in family. I know my

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<v Speaker 1>mom she likes the idea of the patriarchy man doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know, I think that's kind of boring. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is two And like I feel like my

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<v Speaker 1>mom at times like she would want for a man

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<v Speaker 1>to like be able to, you know, do all of

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<v Speaker 1>those magical things that a man in America is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But I feel like I feel of the

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<v Speaker 1>day and she feels like, well, I could really do

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<v Speaker 1>this all by myself exactly, and what is and I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to be the person, but like what does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean to be a man or what does it mean

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<v Speaker 1>to be a woman? And stuff like that. That's really

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<v Speaker 1>the truth of it. Women can do the same things

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<v Speaker 1>men can do. UM from from the female perspective and

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<v Speaker 1>from what my family UM I believe expects from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that you know, they want me to stand tall

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<v Speaker 1>and hold my own ground. Like you know, they firmly

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the fact that there are things that women

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<v Speaker 1>can do then men can do. So they hold me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I feel like they hold me up to

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty high expectations, which I feel like is both

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<v Speaker 1>really amazing because they have such faith in me, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a little constricting because what if I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go off and do something else, and so it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>m well, then I feel like it's two things to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like one since we grow true, I mean, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>decision that we get to make for ourselves. But then too,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like with the teenagers of today, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that like the lines between men and women are

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<v Speaker 1>completely blurred. So what do teens want from their parents

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<v Speaker 1>and society? What you experience in life is letely different

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<v Speaker 1>from what somebody else has experienced alive. So don't push

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<v Speaker 1>your expectations or what you know or what you think

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<v Speaker 1>somebody should know onto everyone. If you enjoyed high school

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<v Speaker 1>and you did the typical prom prom queen, prob king

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. That's cool, but let some let us

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<v Speaker 1>as teens be us, let us discover ourselves without your interference.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's great that you know who you are. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to experience my life and maybe be

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<v Speaker 1>better or not as great doubt. Yeah, guide on the

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<v Speaker 1>sign at stage on stage. Manuel's now and his second

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<v Speaker 1>semester at Oglethorpe University. We reached out to him to

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<v Speaker 1>see what his thoughts are about current events. Hi, Julie

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<v Speaker 1>Lass has changed since we last spoke in June. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>some of my follow up thoughts. There is that political

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<v Speaker 1>correctness that went out the door when the whole election started,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are just you know, covering it up with oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the economy is bad, this and that. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>core of it, it's still this American thing, this American racism.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's I hate to say it, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>there's the there's nothing more American than being racist. If

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing else that I want for myself, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>to be treated like a human being. Um. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what's going to happen next with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>in office m M m M. One of the most

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<v Speaker 1>poignant stories we tell about ourselves is about emerging from

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<v Speaker 1>the chrystalis of childhood into adolescence, a fleeting time when

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<v Speaker 1>we lived our emotions like a fever dream. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a time of radical transformation, one that we need

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<v Speaker 1>not just to have the courage to take a risk

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<v Speaker 1>to survive, but to change the world. A Stuff of

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<v Speaker 1>Life has written an executive produced by me Julie Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>and co produced by Noel Brown. Original music is by

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<v Speaker 1>Noel Brown and editorial oversight is provided by contributing producer

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan Fagan and Head of production Jerry Rowland. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>also featured music by Tristan McNeil, Aaron Grubbs, and Dylan Fagan.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're wondering about the instructional clips for parents raising teams,

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<v Speaker 1>those are from the nineteen fifty three film Age of

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<v Speaker 1>Turmoil from archive dot org. We'd like to thank Ronya

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<v Speaker 1>Mattar for walking us through the minds and spaces of

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<v Speaker 1>teenage girls. You can find her book, A Girl and

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<v Speaker 1>Her Room and stores and learn more on Ronya Matar

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Thank you to Elaine F. Walker at Emery

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<v Speaker 1>University for explaining the wonders and the pitfalls of the

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<v Speaker 1>teenage brain. And many many thanks to our team participants

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<v Speaker 1>from Box Team Communications Caleb Anderson, Manuel Portillo, Catherine Boyd,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amra Dischaber for the adults out of the studio

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<v Speaker 1>and recording your insights. You can find out more about

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