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Speaker 1: I want to do, Clay Um Clay Newcomb right off

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Speaker 1: talk about how you guys fixed squirrels down there in

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Speaker 1: the Ozarks, like the number one if you had to

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Speaker 1: eat them the rest of the one way the rest

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Speaker 1: of your life. Simple answer that there's there's only one answer,

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Speaker 1: that's frieda. But there's more than that, right, Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean you don't that's it. Well, I like to double

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Speaker 1: batter them. So you used to take your buttermilk, and

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Speaker 1: but buttermilk flour mix it holdup a little bit more

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Speaker 1: so you've got five pieces of squirrel. When you're when

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Speaker 1: the actual rib slab. Well, I mean, I mean you're

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Speaker 1: but so so. But typically you would just eat the quarters. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: That works for me. But you take and cook the

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Speaker 1: really we're talking about four quarters, but you're not throwing

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Speaker 1: the saddle out. Well, I mean it's I guess it's

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Speaker 1: it's a less process just to cook all of it.

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Speaker 1: Just cook the saddle with the ribs. So you just

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Speaker 1: So you got five pieces, five pieces. So what I

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Speaker 1: would do is I would I would take those pieces,

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Speaker 1: dip them in buttermilk. Have a zip like bag with flour.

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Speaker 1: bat put the put the buttermilk squirrel into the flour.

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Speaker 1: In the perfect world, you soak them in the buttermilk.

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Speaker 1: So I have not like done that, but so buttermilk

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Speaker 1: double the double backs. As you're saying, you're going buttermilk flour,

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Speaker 1: buttermilk flour. You ever cook catfish by going, uh, you

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Speaker 1: go flour, then egg because it gives the egg the

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Speaker 1: Griffith's Texas. He was talking. I knew this like a

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Speaker 1: predators pick up on it. Could be ever hide in

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing that back and then turn the crock pot

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Speaker 1: on Minnesota. Same thing you did, the same thing, ladies

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Speaker 1: and general. That's Kevin Harlander. Hello you more? Do you

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Speaker 1: You'd put it on toast, oddly shot on a shingle

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Speaker 1: a lot, and sometimes my mom would brown him. Like

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Speaker 1: how my brother Matt likes to cook. Him still do

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Speaker 1: everything you're talking about now. He doesn't know what he

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Speaker 1: doesn't do. The double dip chrome, double dip deal single dip,

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Speaker 1: single dip um in a pan, then finished them in

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Speaker 1: a three degree oven for a long time, covered in foil.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, and it's it tenderizes them. But that works. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm I'm my squirrel cooking has been.

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Speaker 1: to work at a brewer. Well, I worked at actually Silia,

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00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: and my girlfriend worked at the brewery as well. She's

423
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: on the front end of Cilia. Cilia. How'd you spell that?

424
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: S I l j E. Yeah, she's from North Norway.

425
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: Her families from Norway. Okay, yeah, I met her. Yeah,

426
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: I liked her. She's awesome. Um. So you guys used

427
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: the word to brewery yep um. And so I worked

428
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: on the business side and I would take all the

429
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: spent grain, which is brewery grain. Mash that's been brewed

430
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: through UM and bring that to the hogs and they

431
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: love that and it has some nutritional values, just a

432
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: little bit all the sugars out of it. It's kind

433
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: of just like a filler, a fattener if you will,

434
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: so work pretty good. Where do you feed in mine?

435
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: They're getting a blend from this guy named what do

436
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: You Wolf? If he raises barley and what do you wolf?

437
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: What do you Wolf? That's a good name. Yeah, great guy.

438
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: He's in the lower Rollawa Valley. UM. He actually raises

439
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: all the grain for the Carmen Corey Carmen's hog operation,

440
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: which is in in Willao County as well. Is something

441
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: that I would know about, probably not. She does a

442
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 1: lot of like grass fed beef and that sort of thing.

443
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: She's entered entered quite a few markets with that products.

444
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: They have a hog side to UM. So you're not

445
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: feeding any kind of restaurant slop right now. A little

446
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: bit of compost here there, you know, ends of like salad,

447
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: greens and things like that, and then how are you

448
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: gonna kill it? There's a guy named Dale who's got

449
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: a mobile slaughter operation. It's pretty awesome. He comes through

450
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: kills its skins, It brings it to Jake, and Jake

451
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: takes care of their ast. So how much space is

452
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: my pig have to run around on? Quite a bit,

453
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: It's like acre and a half. There's three of them,

454
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: so it's pretty good. They tend to want to stick

455
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: into the shade this time of year because it's pretty

456
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: pretty hot. So have you named my pig? No? No?

457
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: Do you know the one that's mine? Ah? Yeah, I

458
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: think so, I start scraggly looking one. I'm just kidding. Hey,

459
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna advise that you feed it a little bit

460
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: of Asian food right before you slot. Okay, I just

461
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: I just I just hear people. I hear people talk

462
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: lil Asian food just fattens him, fattens him up, flavors

463
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: them up right. I'm kind of joking. I like you said,

464
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: he said, He said that he didn't feed him any

465
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: like restaurant slop. Do what you're doing, Yeah, about three

466
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: weeks before you give it a little Asian food. The

467
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: point of the Grandma story was they used to take

468
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: the skim off of their milk, like the thick, and

469
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: they would throw that in as as their main food

470
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: source without mixed with old oats. So that was probably

471
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: pretty delicious pork, I imagine, I think, way to bring

472
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: it back. Thanks dude, that was he should host this thing.

473
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: That was good. I appreciate it. But you know what

474
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: was bad about it is he took the damn long

475
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: that it wasn't fresh in people's minds that while you

476
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: were talking about your grandma. That's right. So you went

477
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: from there, and then you've been with First Light essence

478
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: about may. I just started with those guys actually, just

479
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: as as we were kind of marrying up these two operations.

480
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: So I feel like we're cousins now. Yeah, I think

481
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: we are. I think we are kissing cousins, all right.

482
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: And then you're liking it over there, loving it. It's

483
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: the best job I've ever had, for sure. Oh yeah,

484
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: hands down. I mean I just got back from a

485
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: week in Texas access to deer hunting, so it's pretty

486
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: damn good. And you were at work, Yeah, that was

487
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: at work. Um, I can't I can't talk about it.

488
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: But we looked at a bunch of the new First

489
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: Light stuff coming out. Yeah, I guess we can talk

490
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: about just that. It's there, it's in development, so we're

491
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: working hard. On that. We got a whole new robust

492
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: program for gear testing, and I'm really excited about that.

493
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it to a lot of key guys.

494
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you guys are gonna wear it

495
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: somewhere this week. You're heading somewhere. Yeah, Um, we're heading

496
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: up Me and my wife and children, Brodie Henderson and

497
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: his wife and children, and then my wife's buddy and

498
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: her husband and children are going up to our fish shack. Um,

499
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna wear that new summertime ish. Yeah, that's

500
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: a good way to put on that new summertime. Feeling

501
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: too too much. You guys are leading in U into

502
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: the Texas market. Yeah, it's been been spending quite a

503
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: bit of time. Actually, just I can tell you. I

504
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: can tell you guys have been hanging out in Texas

505
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: and you've got some clothes that are like, yeah, we're

506
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: getting close set that wasn't hot in Texas. Yeah at

507
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: the latest gear me and they're like, so what do

508
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: you guys think about some elephant skin boots rhino Ostrich. Yeah,

509
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: that was yeah, that was a The one of the

510
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: more shocking things about Texas is all the things you

511
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: can make boots out of the man's, isn't it. I'm

512
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of thing about going in that direction. Yeah. I

513
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: don't know, man, you don't know if I could really

514
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: pull it off, like wearing boots of all different critter types.

515
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: Like if I was sitting here and you said that, hey,

516
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: one of those boots made out of and I was like, elephant. Yeah,

517
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: I feel like you'd be like that. I was a

518
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: little bit of a poser well, being from Michigan. I

519
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: work at Bay Boots once in a while, but they're

520
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: just leather, you know, I just made out of cow's hide. Yeah,

521
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: I just got ease into it. Maybe. Yeah. I don't

522
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: even know if I could. I can't even pull that off. Yeah,

523
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: I think that would be the harder part, More than

524
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: worrying about what species it was. It just be like,

525
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: are you comfortable in some high heels? This is legit

526
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: choice though, Yeah, but your neck of the woods. Yeah yeah,

527
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: they're comfortable though. But you have the right person, you

528
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: have the right personality and everything for it, and these

529
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: are just leather. Listen. I mean you get into like

530
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: the guys wearing like the ant eater boots, boots growing

531
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: up eaters. Oh yeah, my god. I mean used to.

532
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid sitting around and the guys

533
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: used to wear shorter pants and they do now. So

534
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: my uncles would have their legs crossed, and so you

535
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: could see like almost the entire boot, you know, when

536
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: they their legs crossed, like the upper leg over the

537
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: knee boot is then exposed. I remember my dad being like,

538
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: look at his ant eater boots. I mean to me,

539
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: it was just like that is top level, that's you know,

540
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: you made. I've never I've never had anything other than

541
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: leather though, just uh yeah, I mean I I've had boots,

542
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: but I started wearing cowboy boots probably I don't know,

543
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: eight or nine years ago. I mean, like where wearing

544
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: them casually? And where are they comfortable? Like right off

545
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the bat, like acquired. It's an acquired taste. I mean

546
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: it's it's partially. I mean, I'm of the firm belief

547
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: that I'm man ought to be wearing leather boots, leather

548
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: shoes of some sort. Almost all the time. I'm uncomfortable.

549
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Like I have sandals. I mean I like sandals. Don't

550
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: get me wrong. You'll see me, You'll see me with sandals,

551
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: But quit wearing flip flops a few days ago for

552
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: the same reasons that you're okay, Well, why do you

553
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: wear leather boots? Man, I was gonna wear you defend

554
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: your family. Man, I'm serious. When I wear these, I

555
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: feel like I'm wearing like armor. Like I was yesterday.

556
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna when I was fine up here, I

557
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'll just wear my tennis shoes. I

558
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: have some shoes for like running these different things. And

559
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I can't do it. I'm gonna

560
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: wear the boots. I mean, if it, if it goes

561
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: fisticuff somewhere, I need these. I mean, I'm being serious.

562
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I want to talk about Ronnie Beam anyway,

563
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: so I'll start now. Um. He like he always asked himself,

564
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: am I ready for a volcano to erupt? And when

565
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: he has uh, I can't remember. He has some crazy

566
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: word for flip flops, but anyways, He's like, I just

567
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm ready for that occurrence. And the

568
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: other day, a longtime friend of mine who I've been

569
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: hanging out with for forever, I was sitting there, we

570
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: were having dinner, and I had flip flops and he said, man,

571
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: just like really surprises me to see you and flip

572
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: flops and he's from Montana. That who this friend is

573
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: Dave McKay. So Dave McKay's from Montana. And he was

574
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: with his wife in New York once and they went

575
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: into a comedy store, comedy show right to watch stand up,

576
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: and the stand up guy sees Dave and Dave's got

577
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: flip pops on and he yelled, where are you from

578
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: because you're not from here. It's not from Montana. And

579
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: he goes, and you're gonna defend your wife in those shoes,

580
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: And it got to him and him pointed out to me,

581
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: got to me that, like, you're not ready for action.

582
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: It's true, he's not ready for action, and he strap on.

583
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: I got on, Now I'm ready for action. You can

584
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: move in those yeah, spring over and defend him and

585
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: he'll be falling over his flip pops. Oh, I forgot this.

586
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: The day we went to dinner, I had tripped twice

587
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: in my flip flops, fell off a curb and tripped

588
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: coming through a doorway. It was top of mind. Yeah, well,

589
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know that other people shared my sentiments about shoes.

590
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, really, I've never I don't know that I've

591
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: ever like verbalized when I just said being ready for

592
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: a yeah, but it's very real. The first guy that

593
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: ever brought this to my attention was Donnie the wild

594
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Man McConnell, who I've talked about before. Was that just

595
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: the guy that would so pistol pockets into his leather vest,

596
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: that's the guy. That's the guy. Yeah. He says that

597
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do anything. He wouldn't even get ready for bed. Yeah,

598
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: he said, he just laid down. Yeah, there wasn't even

599
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: sleeping bag on his bunk. And I don't always try that.

600
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: When I was just starting there, I would trying to

601
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: always steal that bunk, and they'd like, no, it's Donnie's bunk.

602
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: He's he's just for gets. There's like nothing there besides

603
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: an ash tray and some empty coke cans and empty Budweisers.

604
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: And uh, that was how his day went, was when

605
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: he when he would finish the day with Budweisers and

606
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: some cigarettes, and he would take his boots off and

607
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: lay down jacket with in this pistol pocket and all.

608
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: And then when your alarm and go off, you get

609
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: up and we'd spend fifteen minutes getting our ship on,

610
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: getting all geared up and brushing our teeth, and he

611
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: like donning breakfast, you know, and he just sit up,

612
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: put his boots on, light a cigarette, crack of coke,

613
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: and be gone. That man, that's like the Mitch Hedberg joke.

614
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: He wanted to get clothes made out of blankets. Yeah,

615
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: so ahead, so at night he didn't need to do anything.

616
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: Um oh, my thing about Ronnie Bam. Did you guys

617
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: notice that you know what a trombo is? No, a

618
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: trombo trombo You ever spent much time in Mexico or Greece. Nope,

619
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: you know you know what Tacos l pass store is not.

620
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Really you can help me out here, man, just go

621
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: with the hero I'm talking about the spiraling. Okay, the engineers,

622
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: let's go lace ups. He's reads the fan piel is

623
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: gonna spring out of that little booth there and coming

624
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: in that Phil is gonna be coming in to the rescue.

625
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: So it's like you take you slice a bunch of meat,

626
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: thin thin slice, not cooked, which is raw slice, raw meat,

627
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: thin slice, and you marinate it and then you put

628
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: it and you stack it on this skewer and so

629
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: it winds up being on the skew were in the

630
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: shape of a giant pineapple. And I say that because

631
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: they often put slices of pineapple in there. And then

632
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: it turns vertically on a spit. And you gotta either

633
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: a propane burner or charcoal that's oriented vertically. And this

634
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: thing turns on a spit with a vertically oriented heater.

635
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: And then when it's kind of like and then you're

636
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: just ready, that thing's just running around the clock. Okay,

637
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: so you you put that. We usaid when we started

638
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: first started travel to Mexico, we called it a pork

639
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: rock because it looks like a giant rock man out

640
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: of pork um. And that spit turns and when you

641
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: go to make a taco, you just hold the taco

642
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: up against the rock of meat and and it's all

643
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: stacked like if you put one hand on top of

644
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: your hand and another hand on top looks like this

645
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: is a solid piece of meat, you can't really tell.

646
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: But then you slice also vertical slices off, so you're

647
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: just taking the ends of all this stuff that the

648
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: part that's cooked, and you slice the cook part onto

649
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: a taco, or you slice it into a euro Um.

650
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: And that device, that cooking piece of equipment I recently

651
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: learned is even though I owned one, is a trombo.

652
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: So Ronnie Bam. When I got married all those years ago, uh,

653
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: we had you know, you'll have like a party. No,

654
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: we had a party the day I got married. Before

655
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: I got married, so we had a party before the party.

656
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: And at this party, my brother took a bunch of

657
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: deer meat and Ronnie Beam welded us up a trombo

658
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: out of stainless steele and it was a hand turn

659
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: kind you had a hand crank it. So we cooked

660
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of venison tacos like this, and then I

661
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of forgot about it for eleven years. But I

662
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: was just home at my mom's and found the trombo

663
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: and the pole barn brought it back here and had

664
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: a fabricator here in Bozeman named Travis Barton, who's a fireman.

665
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: Yanni introduced me to him. He did a lot of

666
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: the metalwork at Yanni's house. When Yanni remodeled UM, he

667
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: raised it on a higher let eggs and put a

668
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: rotisserie motor so you don't need to hand turn it anymore.

669
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: Single single speed. Can you regulate the speed? Just single speed?

670
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: It's about this fast? Mak it sounds like but smooth like? No. Uh.

671
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna make a mountain lion. Oh, I'm gonna

672
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: make a pork rock out a mountain lion. I like it.

673
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: That's gonna be good. Yeah, we already started that. Ladies

674
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Okay, how do you describe? Uh? Do do

675
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: you say you're from the Ozarks? Yeah? Yeah, I live

676
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: in the Ozarks? Now, hunt and the washing Toss something

677
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring, But that's Kevin. You don't have

678
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: pronounced that mountain range the wash toss. He he didn't.

679
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: He didn't see the spelling. I called the au cheetahs. Yeah,

680
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: so if you saw the spelling, it's spelled. Oh you

681
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: a c H I t A. You mentioned how we

682
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: mispronounced it was me because I don't think I would

683
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: venture to try to pronounce. Well. I don't want to

684
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: name any names here, but it was a guy that

685
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: was from the Ozarks and he mispronounced. Well, you you

686
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: mispronounced it and he didn't correct you, and he was like, yeah,

687
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: that's the way you said. Who was it? Man? I

688
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: honestly can't remember. It was on one of the turkey

689
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: hunting episode y'all did with Brandon Butler, but there was

690
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: he the one that It wasn't Brandon. I'm not throwing

691
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Brandon on the was it a guy that was the

692
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: other guy, our friend Steve Jones, the Wild Game chef.

693
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't Parker Hall. No, it wasn't Parker. It was

694
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: were narrowing it. It was a guy that was a

695
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: turkey hunter. He was describing how he called turkeys with

696
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: his mouth, but it was kind of like it felt

697
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: like it was kind of he didn't really know, but

698
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: it was kind of just like, yeah, that's the way

699
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: he said, guys uck. What's that? Guys uck? May have

700
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: been so you're so polite you don't want to say

701
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: who did it? Well, I mean, I just hate to

702
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: throw the guy under the bus, But at the same

703
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: time vowed to my people that if it ever came

704
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: to it, I would I would would bring back the

705
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: honor of the wash Ittals. So oh you a he

706
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: starts with a w. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks like

707
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: oha cheetahs, chah cheetah and say wash it talk like

708
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: with a hard w wash wash yeah yeah, yeah, why

709
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: don't you guys just spell it different? Man? We didn't.

710
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: We just we're just some messengers. Man, this is a

711
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: chock talk. Well, actually, there's three things that they that

712
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: they say that. First of all, it is a transliteration

713
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: of a Catto Indian word for wash it talk explain

714
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: cattle Indian. It's just a it's just a type of

715
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: Native American that lived in Southeast Catto Indian. Yeah, try

716
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: like Choctaw cherry. And I was like when you when

717
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: they talk about language types like Proto Indo European or

718
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: so it's a trans It's a French transliteration of the

719
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: way the Cattos said wash ital and they said it

720
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: with a W. But it's a bunch of French guys

721
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: over here that said, oh, we're gonna spell it o

722
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: U A c h I t A and it actually

723
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: means good hunting grounds. Yeah, so there's three things. There's

724
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: another guy that says that the O U A c

725
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: is the choc Tall word for buffalo, and it actually

726
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: means buffalo hunting grounds given a throwback to the woodland buffalo,

727
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: which totally was in Arkansas buffalo. And then, um, the

728
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: third there's three possibilities and there's no agreement on truly

729
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: what it means. The third one is another choc tall

730
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: word that they think it means far away hunting ground.

731
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: That's that's what I got. Like ozark man the French

732
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: like named a bunch of stuff back in that country.

733
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: So the word ozark describes a bend in the Arkansas River.

734
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: Arkansas River flows, it doesn't really flow north, but there's

735
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: a north trending bend in the Arkansas River and they

736
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: called it ox Arc. They called this region above the

737
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: arc ox arc a u x arc French. And so

738
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: the trans well it grew into the Ozarks. So the

739
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Ozarks are north there above the ark Ship. So those

740
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: are the two I like them all. Those are the two.

741
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: Those are the two mountain ranges in Arkansas. And they're

742
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: very different. I could totally nerd out about the differences

743
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: and or culturally geologically sometimes those are inseparable though right right,

744
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: they're similar enough in size and and like the geology

745
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: will shape the culture in some ways. Absolutely. Yeah. Now,

746
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: so the y stalls where are in east west running

747
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: mountains uh formed from uplift when the when the South

748
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: American continent bumped into the North American continent, and it's

749
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: the only mountain range between the Appalachians and the Rocky

750
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Mountains that runs east and west. And so what happens

751
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: when you're hunting in the Washingtalls is you have two

752
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: very different types of terrain because you have these southern

753
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: facing slopes and then north facing slopes, because the mountains

754
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: are running east and west with me. So the north

755
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: it's like really thick, moist, vegetative, not as much strict sun.

756
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: The south sides are arid, have a lot of pine, blueberry,

757
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more open, so that critters used that

758
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: different terrain in different ways. Pretty interesting that you go

759
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: up hung along the rim where you're kind of tapping

760
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: into both. Yeah. Well that's the other feature of these

761
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: mountains is that they're formed by uplift, so they're these

762
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: like hogback ridges, and so there's these real distinct tops

763
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: which are usually fairly flat but but small. So either

764
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: walking straight it up are you're walking straight down the

765
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: other side, but there'll be you know, these flat tops,

766
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: and critters travel on them. So you hunt the tops

767
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: of these mountains quite a bit. You know, while you

768
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: were talking about all that stuff reminds me of two

769
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: good pieces of barroom banter. One being you talk about

770
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: the buffalo hunting, you know where that word comes from?

771
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: What they're one of the ways they think that buffalo

772
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: came about. I read your book. I shouldn't know, but uh,

773
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: good for making buffalo leather. M But there's even occurrences

774
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: where people called man and teese buffs thick leather. Now

775
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: buffalo wasn't the Native American word for it. This was

776
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: an English word. Yeah, they would call him buffs. You

777
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: just spelled all kinds of different ways, and the eventually

778
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: became buffalo. But it's something good for making buffalo leather.

779
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Um like thick leather, you know. And the everything you're

780
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: talking about, like the geology. Have you ever read uh,

781
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Animals of the Former World by Geo McPhee. It explains

782
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: all the geography in the US. They want a Pultz

783
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: front different east to west than won a Pulitzer. But

784
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: it was the interesting thing in there where um, you know,

785
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Alaska kind of a created and docked up. It was

786
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of islands, just a big mishmash of ship.

787
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: The decreed did and docked up against our continent and

788
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: then rolled north on a transform fault. And I can't remember.

789
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: I think in eighty seven million years Japan we'll have

790
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: a created all of the illusions and slammed into Alaska. Yeah,

791
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: all them bears and everything going to be in Japan,

792
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: which is in Alaska. Uh, how'd you getting none? Man?

793
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: I grew up. It's just I grew up with it

794
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: my dad. I always say that my dad was bow

795
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: hunting before bow hunting was cool. Uh he so, I

796
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: mean I I grew up bow hunting for white tail deer.

797
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: My dad got into hunt to stick. No, no, that's new.

798
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: My dad is like totally a compound like speed guy.

799
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: My my movement into traditional archery probably is a little

800
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: bit of a throwback from his his uh kind of

801
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: the the intricacies and he took he takes tuning bows

802
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: and all this kind of to the extreme. I never

803
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: really liked that side of it. I wanted it to

804
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: be simple, and so I still shoot compound and love it.

805
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: But my dad shot a reeker before compounds came out,

806
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: and then he rolled into compounds hard. Now see that's

807
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: the way these guys think though, Like my dad is like,

808
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: why the heck would you want to go backwards? Because

809
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: that's where he started to you know, shooting these traditional

810
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: bows that they couldn't kill anything with. And then so

811
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: to go backwards just the forty years. Yeah yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

812
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: we grew up deerhund. We had a place in northern Minnesota,

813
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: so we kind of grew up in that North Belt

814
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: country of just honey, small racked, big bodied white tails,

815
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: and then really got into waterfall hunting in high school

816
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: because it's accessible where I lived. You run right for

817
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the get go, Yeah, yeah, right right away. It's been

818
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: a part of my family for a long time m hm,

819
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: because you had access to those farms. Yeah. Yeah, a

820
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: lot of good pheasant hunting, a lot of good duck hunting,

821
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: pretty good deer hunting. Not as good as Iowa and

822
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: on the west actually, but it's great, good way not

823
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: as good, yeah, at least in northern Minnesota. Oh yeah,

824
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm with yeah, still pretty good though, great for the

825
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: camaraderie sense from the deer camp since uh, not as

826
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: big a deer for sure, but great great deer populations. Certainly.

827
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: Are you guys in wolf area? Yeah yeah, certainly has

828
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: that changed a lot for real? Or can't you even

829
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: look at it for real? Because you're still wrapped up

830
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: in the differences. That's a loaded question, I think. Um,

831
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: if you talk to people up there, they'll say it

832
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: has impacted it tremendously. Um, But I think in my case,

833
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it to the point where it's made

834
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: the deer hunting in my lifetime that that different. Yeah,

835
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: it feels different. Yeah, certainly feels different. Yeah. Yeah, And

836
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I would say that my experience in the West, specifically

837
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: in Oregon, with with wolf free introduction has been my

838
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: My experience in the short time I've lived out there

839
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: has changed traumatic, like pretty dramatically. Let's say, yeah, where

840
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: we go ahead, Well, I might I want to name

841
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: an example, Like, what's the common thing you've seen change?

842
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: I think in eastern Oregan specifically, it's just the balance

843
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: back between the ranching community and and sort of the

844
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: introduction of wolves. It's a obviously a slippery slope conversation,

845
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: but they've been impacted in a different way than they

846
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: haven't been in the last fifty years. UM. From a

847
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: hunting standpoint, A lot of guys will say, oh, those

848
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: alcal quatter in this area now, which I think I've

849
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: had a few experiences with that. Although it's you know anecdotal,

850
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: it's not based off science. So, UM, I think my

851
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: experience in in see Ean wolves to have seen a

852
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: couple in eastern Oregon. That's different when than when I

853
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: started hunting there when I was a nineteen and I

854
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: didn't see wolves until two years ago. Um, just quite

855
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: a few. Now you started hunting organ when you're nineteen. Yeah,

856
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: I was out there to fight fire when I was

857
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: in college, So that was the first time ever stepped

858
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: foot in Oregon for real. So I was spending mostly

859
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: about May through and in September there and then going

860
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: back to school. I heard my first wolf from my

861
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: deck a couple of nights ago, just to two howls,

862
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: and there's just happened. I was out there watching a

863
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: small herd of elk, and every single one of those

864
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: mature cows was looking down the hill and across the drainage.

865
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: Nobody was eating, nobody had their heads down, everybody was

866
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: just staring. When that wolf was out, but he only

867
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: it only it howled twice. Now is that? Yeah? Such

868
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: a different sound too. It's pretty remarkable. Uh. You got

869
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: like your grandpa's a big hunter. My grandfather was a

870
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: quail hunter, that's all he hunted. Really, that's that's all

871
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: he out of luck now, uh yeah, yeah, Well, so

872
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: there was a time in the South when I mean

873
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: the heyday of quail hunting would have been from the

874
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: forties to well nineteen eighties. Do you regard yourself as

875
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: being from the South, Yeah, it's really I mean I

876
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: do being from Arkansas, but I mean, you know, I

877
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: can drive twenty miles and technically well yeah, yeah, yeah,

878
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Arkansas is it's definitely not Deep South where I live.

879
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: But I live in northwest Arkansas on the mountains, and

880
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: so the mountain culture truly is not Deep South. You

881
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: get into the Arkansas Delta, you absolutely would feel like

882
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: you're in the Deep South. This is very different. But

883
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: also my my grandfather, he was a renowned bird dog trainer,

884
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: and that's all he did. I mean, they would they

885
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: would go out there were I mean he talks about

886
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: going out and you know, finding nine covees of quail

887
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: and day and you know, several guys killing their limits

888
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: of quail, and then about night the quail world just

889
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: started to dry up. And um, I had bird dogs.

890
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: When I got my first bird dog when I was

891
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: in sixth grade, got it from my grandfather, And we

892
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: actually had two or three cuvees of quail back behind

893
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: our house. And uh, my dad wouldn't let me take

894
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: the shotgun. At that time, there were had some houses.

895
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: It was kind of suburban, rural Arkansas. And so I

896
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: would take that dog out and we pointed quail during

897
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: the winter. I mean, I probably didn't go out every day,

898
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: but I feel like I did. Snow undergrown. No not

899
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: not not in Arkansas. Really, I thought we do get

900
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but not a lot. I mean just

901
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: a few days a year. Well yeah, but he so,

902
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: he he is the one that really introduced my dad.

903
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: He my grandfather did some squirrel hunting, but he was

904
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: he was a bird dog man. I mean that's like

905
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: in the South. That was like a like a nobleman's sport,

906
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: you know. And then he was a trainer and then

907
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: was the affluent. Tell me what you mean by that,

908
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Like was he When you say, what was the word

909
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: you used, I said, it was a nobleman's sport, I

910
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: mean like affluent. Was he wealthy? No? No, No, he

911
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: was a He was a biology teacher for a public

912
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: school and a pastor and a pastor of a church.

913
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: When he said like noble. This noble in the sense

914
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: of like this is a this is not no no

915
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: no YEA good good clarification there. But but he and

916
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: part of truly what influenced still influences me today is

917
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: that I watched my grandfather the last twenty five years

918
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: of his life lament the demise of the animal that

919
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: he loved. Really, I mean, I didn't know that conservation

920
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: was cool. I didn't know that. I mean, it's just

921
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: what happened before me. But every time I talked to

922
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: him and would be like, man back, and he was.

923
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was embittered against it or he

924
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: like he hunted just the same when there were no

925
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: birds as he did when there were lots of birds.

926
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like he was like, I'm getting

927
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: rid of the dogs, there's no more quail. He he

928
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: hunted until the He didn't huntil the day that he

929
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: died when he was ninety four. But but he was

930
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: a he was a good man, good good dog trainer.

931
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: What uh, I don't want to ask what his idea

932
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: was about what happened to the quail, but like what

933
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: you take on what happened to the quail? There are

934
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: so many different versions. You know what I mean. Do

935
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: you remember you read something that I sent to you

936
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: one time and it's pretty to think about the fire ants. Nope,

937
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: but a habitat mine had to do with invasive grasses

938
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: fence posts. So I mean basically, back in the day,

939
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: there was no fescu and bermuda grass, and because of

940
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: the cow calf operations that all these farms have turned

941
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: to in the last forty years, cow calf operations in

942
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: Arkansas need fescu and bermuda grass. It's just the best.

943
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: And those grasses it's just it's just hardy, it's nutritious,

944
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: it grows like crazy. That's what everything is. I mean

945
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: right now, you go and look at any grass and

946
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some type of fescue or bermuda, which

947
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: are both invasive grasses and their turf type grasses, which

948
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: means they grow by rhizomes. So what the quail would

949
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: have been used to back in the day before these

950
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: invasive grasses would have been clump grasses, and so clump

951
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: grasses provided uh places for the birds to move through.

952
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: We see, like I'll hear you from the people on

953
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: bunch grasses. Yeah, I mean just the native grasses of Arkansas,

954
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: like orchard grass and some of the some of the

955
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: sage UH would have, they would not have grown in

956
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: like these continuous patches. Like even if it looked like

957
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: a continuous patch, if you open it up, you'd see

958
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: ground underneath it. And so basically habitat was destroyed by

959
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: those two invasive grasses. And then with the advent of

960
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: basically modern brush hogging machines and just people kind of

961
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: taking better care of their farms. People have t post

962
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: fence rows now, when back in the day they probably

963
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: would have just strung barbed wire between trees and put

964
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: up some wooden fence. And not that wood or metal

965
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: makes a difference, but basically they had these robust edges

966
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: that product provided habitat for quail and and and we

967
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: don't now we have t posts. And with a t

968
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: post fence you can mow right up beside it. You

969
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: can right you can mow within six inches of one

970
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: side and six inches of the other, you know, I mean,

971
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: like there's two sided fence. So that was big. I mean,

972
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: those really are the it's it's it's habitat degradation. But

973
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: the other thing that's happened in Arkansas. That's crazy. That

974
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: has to do with the ground nesting bird is our

975
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: quite Our turkey populations are down like six. So it's

976
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: almost like there's this fuzz of nobody knows really what's

977
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: going on with the ground nesting birds other than that

978
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: they're doing really bad. You know, we had an article

979
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: we ran on uh the meat eater dot com about

980
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: declining turkey numbers in some states, and it's kind of funny, Man,

981
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: piss people off. You come war with my house. We've

982
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: got playing turkeys. I'm like, I'm sure you do, man,

983
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's certain things you can't ignore it.

984
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: There's a lot of states that have for the first

985
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: like for the first time, and you know, a decade

986
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: or so you're seeing like declines and turkey numbers. But

987
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: people get here, I don't know, it's like a weird

988
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: thing to get irritated about. No one said like turkey huntings,

989
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: but you're seeing like like you're seeing a widespread decline

990
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: in turkey numbers in certain parts of the country. Yeah, well,

991
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: I think it's guys, like I can go back to

992
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: some of my good spots that maybe there is a

993
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: six decline in turkey numbers, and I can still hear

994
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: a turkey gobble from there, but there's not eight of

995
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: them there anymore. There's one, you know. So I mean,

996
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: like to the guy that's really not paying that much attention,

997
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: he goes in there and he kills that bird, and

998
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: he's like, like, kill the bird last year, killed the

999
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: bird year before that. Don't you tell me about my turkeys. Yeah,

1000
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: we've got some good homes down to Missouri. Yeah, now Missouri, oddly,

1001
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Missouri is totally different. Man. You go and this is

1002
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: what's bizarre. And you can't blame any of the commissions.

1003
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's anything they're doing. But

1004
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: any direction you go from Arkansas, turkey hunting gets better

1005
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: quick huh, no doubt. I mean even where you are

1006
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: hunting with with Brandon Butler. I mean that's a couple

1007
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: hours from my house, like three hours and uh, dramatically

1008
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: better turkey hunting up there. I've talked about this. I'm

1009
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: sure we staught this interesting thing hunting in Kentucky, UM,

1010
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: which is another area that used to have great quail hunting,

1011
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: and the quail are gone kind of gone. And we're

1012
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: home with our friend Kevin Murphy, and he was explaining

1013
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: that when he hunts a small game, he likes to

1014
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: hunt on the Amish farms because he said, they don't

1015
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: clean farm. They they still dirty farm and you go

1016
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: out there, and it was so funny the whole time

1017
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: run around with him. That was the place we saw

1018
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: quail was on an Amish farming, described dirty farming. I've

1019
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: heard you said before. But well leave like they'll pick corn,

1020
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: leave it for the winter. So they'll pick corn, leave

1021
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: the ground covered all winter. They will have uh big rows,

1022
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: like big huge wind rows and they don't win untill Okay,

1023
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: they leave crop coverage on the ground for the winter.

1024
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: And so he was just saying, then he did our

1025
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: part of it is he said, he says they're hell

1026
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: on predators. Yeah, so they provide habitat kill predators and

1027
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: it's like small game golds. He goes way out of

1028
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: his way to hunt the Amish farms. That's the games

1029
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: all the game is. Man sounds good. Yeah, did uh

1030
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: did your grandpa hunt quail on mules? No? No, no,

1031
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: he didn't. But how did you get into hunting on mules?

1032
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, my my dad doesn't hunt on mules. We

1033
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: actually did not grow up having ecoin animals. I mean

1034
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: it grew being in rural Arkansas. I grew up with

1035
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: horses and stuff. I mean just people had them, you know,

1036
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: Buddy's had them, and we'd ride and stuff. But it

1037
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell about four or five years ago that I

1038
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: just said it's time to get a mule, and it was.

1039
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 1: It was as you know. I'd give you a short

1040
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: version or a long version of that, but I think

1041
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell people what a mule is. A mule is

1042
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: when a donkey and a horse do it. A mule

1043
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: is a hybrid cross between a male donkey called a

1044
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: jack and a female horse called them mayor, and it

1045
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: produces a what in the biology world, how's it work with?

1046
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: How's it work with? The gender? Again, So it's a

1047
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: a mule is a male donkey, a jack and a

1048
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: female horse. The opposite is what's a genie mule? That's okay?

1049
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: That is when it's a man. I'm gonna get I'm

1050
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna mix it up. I'm not an expert, but it's

1051
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: a differ for an animal. When you do the inverse,

1052
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: when it's a male horse and a female donkey, it

1053
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: produces a different animal. It's it's escaped me what that is.

1054
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: It's really rare. People don't do it. Well, that's what.

1055
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: That's what a genny mule is or whatever. I think that. Yeah,

1056
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: there's a phrase for it, and I can't recall what

1057
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: it is. Jenny, I think it's g So the cool

1058
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: thing about we'll come back to you. The cool thing

1059
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: about a mule is that it's a classic example of

1060
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: hybrid vigor. You know the phrase hybrid hybrid, hybrid, hybrid,

1061
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: hybrid vigor, hybrid, I mean I know it in terms

1062
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: of egg Yeah. So, so basically, you take the strength

1063
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: of these two animals, which both have great strengths like

1064
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: a donkey. Like a donkey strength would be like hard feet, nimble,

1065
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: very strong for its size. Um. And you would take

1066
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: a horse, which would be its strengths would be um,

1067
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: it's it's speed, it's trainability. And basically inside of a

1068
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: mule you get you get the best characteristics of both

1069
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: animals in one animal. And this is fascinating to me.

1070
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: A mule will live longer than both a donkey and

1071
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: a horse live longer. I mean, uh, they're not. It's

1072
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: actually viable. They're they're not. Do you still geld him. Yep,

1073
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: they have all the same desires, but no, no real ammo. Yeah,

1074
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta, you gotta cut a male

1075
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: or he'll want to breed females and stuff but won't

1076
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: do any good, won't do them any good. But he

1077
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, that's when you wanna want a boy.

1078
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: That's when a boy stallion and a girl donkey a

1079
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: jenny they do it. They get a henny, correct, honey,

1080
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: male horse, female donkey? What is the opposite what you're

1081
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: talking about? And it's a different animal. They have different

1082
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: they're usually not as big and for some reason people

1083
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: just don't do that very much. It's not his story.

1084
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: So stature, shorter ears, stronger legs, and a thicker mane.

1085
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: So guys who produced mules for the mule trade, um,

1086
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: they just they have some donkeys, they have some horses.

1087
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: Well you would you would have a set of Let's

1088
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: say there was a guy that was actually a mule breeder,

1089
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: he would have a set of mayor horses that would

1090
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: be I mean, if he was good. They would be

1091
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: selected horses based upon them being a good horse, being trainable,

1092
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: being not KICKI being having good feet, I mean, have

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: all these like traits that you want a good horse,

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01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: and then he would have he would have a jack

1095
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: that suited and produced what he wanted in side of

1096
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: a mule. And so a lot of guys use mammoth jack's,

1097
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: which a mammoth jack it's like a jack that's over hands.

1098
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: It can be up to like seventeen hands, which is huge.

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like a dinosaur. You got to

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: look up. A mammoth jack looks crazy. But so you

1101
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: just have you have you know, one or two breeder

1102
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: jack's and and it's just like any type of animal breeding.

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: You make a cross and maybe it produces a mule

1104
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: that's really good, that's tempered right, that's built right, that's

1105
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: a good feet, that's strong, that's colored the way you

1106
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: want it to. But there's a lot of quirks inside

1107
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: the mule world too. It's really hard to get a

1108
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: mule bred with color like actually the fur color of

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01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: a mule typically tends to be solid ball. For everybody, buddy, man,

1110
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: it's just a it's just a it's just like, for instance,

1111
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: the mule that I that I trained and own, Like

1112
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: in the mule world, it's like, oh, that's a flashy mule.

1113
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like your bow. It's just like

1114
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: your boat. I mean, like you want a bow that

1115
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: you like the looks of it. Yeah, my new bowl,

1116
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: my new boat. All bowls are this way now almost,

1117
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: But I got a new Matthews and it's flat black

1118
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: looks it looks menacing. Many verdicts everybody. Everybody wants one

1119
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: of them flat black black bows because he looks like

1120
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: a killer. Remember Fridge Perry, oh, the football player. Yes,

1121
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: remember you know they won the Super Bowl. That was

1122
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of the last football game I watched. Uh a touchdown.

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01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: My mom was from Chicago. He wore black shoes back

1124
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: when everybody had white shoes. And he was saying he

1125
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: wore black shoes because people looked at him, they think

1126
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna he was gonna be slow, but then he

1127
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: just slam them with black Now, why would black shoes

1128
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: make you think they're slow. Let's dude, this is man.

1129
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: We just thirty seven years ago. People to who knows.

1130
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: That's what was his theory on it. But that black boat,

1131
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: what the point is? My black bowl looks fast. Jet

1132
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: black bowl looks menacing. Man, I shoot the same color

1133
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: bow mean, if I had a guy pop up to

1134
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: shoot me with the arrow, and he had wanted and

1135
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: he had I choose whether he had a camel bow

1136
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: or a black bow, I'd go with camel if he's

1137
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: shooting at me, because I'd be like, yeah, you think

1138
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: could be. But he had a flat black boat that's

1139
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: menacing fops, I do shoot my bone flipflops a little bit. Uh.

1140
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: How much is the mule? Man? That's just like every

1141
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: other thing on the planet when you're dealing with a commodity,

1142
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: there's all kind of variations. I mean, just this last week,

1143
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: somebody asked me how much I paid for the mule

1144
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: that I have, which I trained my mule, so it's

1145
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: an untrained mule. I mean basically she was totally untrained.

1146
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: But no one knew what it had. No one knew

1147
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: what it was the only the only thing, the only

1148
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: reason I bought the mule that I did, traded and bought,

1149
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what I gave for it. It

1150
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: was because it was a flashy mule that was the

1151
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: right size that I wanted so wanted you, oh I have.

1152
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: I have no apologies for wanting to flash man. If

1153
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feed that thing and see it every day

1154
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: out from my house. I wanted to look good. Let

1155
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: me tell you why you don't want to flashy mule.

1156
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: Let's see you get a flashy mule, okay, and it

1157
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: winds up being a shitty mule. People are gonna be

1158
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: like that guy taking those all cool looking and now

1159
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: he's got But let's say you have a shitty looking

1160
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: mule and he's a shitty mule. People will be like, whatever, Yeah,

1161
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: he got some old mule. I don't know what. Dude

1162
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: doesn't do what he says. But it's like a lot

1163
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: different if you bought a really fancy sports car and

1164
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: then the minute you take it out, you crash it. People,

1165
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: it's more funny to people. That's gonna be more funny

1166
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: to people. It's he bought an old junkie car and

1167
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: crashed it. So you're just more you're gonna head your

1168
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: bets on like the social the social aspect, Like Romella

1169
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: bought an ugly mule. Really it turns out stupid mule

1170
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work good. But I mean, what do

1171
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: you expect? Well, do you understand what I'm saying? You

1172
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: don't understands? Yeah, we'll see the thing about. I'll try

1173
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: to be brief here. I mean, you can. I can

1174
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: leave it rest. You bought a cool looking mule, right,

1175
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: you could. You could. You could pay ten dollars for

1176
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: a mule easily based on what it looks like, based

1177
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: upon a whole bunch of stuff. Men, The complexities inside

1178
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 1: of the animal world, especially one that you're gonna ride,

1179
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: are so at the point at which it's broke, right, Yeah,

1180
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: you don't. It's intelligences And yeah, you'd never buy like

1181
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: an untrained ten thousand dollar mule. The reason can you

1182
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: spend on a horr mean, he's spend like you can

1183
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: spend times out of a horse. Sure, yeah, because of

1184
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: the racehorse industry and some of the stuff. But but

1185
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, the reason that I bought the mule that

1186
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: I did is because I like the way it looked,

1187
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: its right size, and nobody had ever messed with it.

1188
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: Which that's the one thing with a mule is that

1189
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: they're easy to mess up there, so the strong they're

1190
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: easy to mess up very So you don't want to

1191
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: get a mule from a guy that's like, I trained

1192
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: this smele a little bit. You know, I'll sell it

1193
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: to you for this much. You don't know what's happened

1194
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: with that mule. And that's that's the one negative people

1195
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: talking about formed a really bad impression of people. They

1196
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: they're highly unforgiving. But in the same sense, that's what

1197
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: makes a mule great, is that if he trusts you,

1198
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: if you train him right, if you do it right,

1199
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be an incredible animal forever. That's an abbreviated

1200
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: like simple thing inside of a complex situation. But I

1201
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted a mule that nobody had messed with.

1202
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: And you want to your mistakes to be your own, Yeah,

1203
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: I did. I wanted to know because I got a

1204
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: mut I had a mule before that that was green broke,

1205
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: and green broke is basically just a way of saying,

1206
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: this thing ain't trained. And I had one means technically

1207
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: like you could put a saddle on it and get

1208
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: on its back. It's trained enough for that and could

1209
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: ride a little bit. But it's broad term. But green broke,

1210
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: in my book, means highly dangerous. Really, you don't know

1211
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: what this animal has. So I had some bad experiences

1212
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: with a with a green broke mule, so I wanted

1213
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: to train one on my own, and I this guy

1214
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: has now become my friend. But a guy in southeast

1215
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma had this mule, Craigslist mule dangerous. Oh yeah, I

1216
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: do it almost almost every day. And uh, he had

1217
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: this mule I wanted about He wanted fifteen hundred dollars

1218
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: for an untrained mule, which is you could buy a

1219
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: broke mule for fifts, but the mules special. Basically, I

1220
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: traded him n Honda four tracks four wheeler, an old

1221
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: Russian World War two rifle. It was worth about seventy

1222
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: five dollars one of those. Man, it was a little

1223
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: set with what call. It was given to me as

1224
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: a gift, and it fired. It's some odd caliber but no,

1225
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: it's like it was like seven six to like whatever. Yeah,

1226
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: with one of those four wheeler, one of those rifles

1227
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: and five dollars cash and he took me to the cleaners. Really,

1228
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm not a good negotiator when it comes to stuff

1229
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: like that. I'm a little too nice. So he got

1230
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: a gun, a quad Runner and five hundred bucks and

1231
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: I got a man. It was an incredible, incredible experienced

1232
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: just for hunting. None. Yeah, there's six mules for sale

1233
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: on the boat on the bowsman Craigslist right now? If

1234
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: you is there a dead deer on that same page

1235
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: mule deer? Get you get on that? Oh you want

1236
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: to know people selling mule deer Kawasaki mule four wheelers.

1237
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: You gotta do a lot of digging to buy mu

1238
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nuances in the Craigslist mule world

1239
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: that guy has to get tuned up on. Uh, that's

1240
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, man. But you don't love the thing about

1241
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: hunting with mules down where you're at is um Is

1242
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: it really like an access issue? You know, like what

1243
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: can you get you on a mule that you can't

1244
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: get to in your in your truck. Well, that's a

1245
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: good question. It's legitimate. I mean, we don't have the

1246
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: wilderness that you guys have in the West. I mean

1247
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: we just don't. But we do have. We do a

1248
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: big but I think we have two point two million

1249
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: acres in National Forest and Arkansas and a lot of

1250
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,839
Speaker 1: it's fairly remote, fairly well, all of it's pretty rugged.

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: We have eleven wilderness areas in Arkansas that are you know,

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01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: limited to foot travel, leaqueline travel, Federally designated wilderness like roughly.

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01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: How big are they? Um, the biggest ones about thirty

1254
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: thousand acres. Yeah, the smallest one is probably six seven

1255
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 1: thousand acres. Is that thirty acre one fairly contiguous or

1256
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: is it buzz it all up into a thousand contiguous?

1257
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: No kidding? Yeah? Yeah, yeah for the south or you know,

1258
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: if we're considering Arkansas at the south, which it is,

1259
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: we uh, we have some incredible rugged I mean, well,

1260
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: it is wilderness, it's federal wilderness, wilderness area. Uh, it's

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01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Wilderness that's the biggest one. And no, kid,

1262
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: I can't remember I've never hunted the Buffalo Wilderness. Because

1263
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,480
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Wilderness has become a hot spot for tourism

1264
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: because of the Buffalo River, which is the nation's first

1265
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: national river. So it's incredible. The Buffalo River area is

1266
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: probably the most rugged, true representation of the Ozarks that

1267
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: there is, and but it's become a hub for tourism

1268
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: big time. So it's it's a positive thing. But I

1269
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: don't really want to go there and hunt. Yeah, I

1270
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: got you. Yeah, it sees a lot of nine tourism.

1271
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah it does, it does. But so being an issue

1272
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: of access, like it's not like I'm gonna ride my

1273
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: mule like eighteen miles back into the wilderness to hunt

1274
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: that that's just not gonna happen. But definitely I go

1275
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: places that other people don't go and stay longer. I mean,

1276
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: that's the whole point of it, is to go further

1277
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: and stay longer and a lot of times ill. And

1278
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: now I learned this technique from James Lawrence. You know

1279
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: what it does, but it's but it's right, I add,

1280
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: that's my one of my I call him a friend,

1281
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: but he's almost he's more than a friend. Guy named

1282
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: James Lawrence. James is he he grew up hunting in

1283
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: wilderness in Arkansas, and what he would do and this,

1284
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: and he taught me how to do this, and that's

1285
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: kind of kind of a lot of what I do.

1286
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do what James did, and it's just

1287
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: I like to do it. But he would use a

1288
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: paniard and lead a horse in with all his gear

1289
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: on it for like nine days. So he'd just hauled

1290
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: his horse in with packs on, and then once he

1291
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: got to his camp, he'd unload all his stuff and

1292
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: then he'd ride the horse. And I liked hunt that way. Yeah,

1293
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: I saw one of the one of your videos that

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: you made. You're a good writer, man, Thank you like

1295
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: you right? Like the narrations, Well, I like it. It's

1296
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: well done. Um, you can shoot off that mule. Yeah,

1297
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't even give a ship. Yeah, shooting right off

1298
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: over his head. Dude. At one time got in a

1299
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: horse with a muzzle loader, and that most lord swung

1300
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: across the corner of his eye. I was down on

1301
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: the ground so fast and so hard. Man, I hate

1302
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: that just from not even shooting it swung in his

1303
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 1: peripheral vision. I'll spook a man off of lip out

1304
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: and landing on a rock. We with an outfitter, were you? Yeah?

1305
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: Well I was on a reservation, so I was with

1306
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: some tribal members messing around. See a good animal is

1307
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: not gonna do that, Steve, You're gonna desensitize it. I mean,

1308
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: like I spend We'll just dude. You know what's funny,

1309
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: The guy knew enough to know that. He knew enough

1310
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: to know that, Um, it might not like that. See

1311
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: that's you shouldn't put You shouldn't put somebody. You shouldn't

1312
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: put somebody on an Yeah, my sister in law takes

1313
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: my daughter outright, and she picks a horse that she

1314
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: thinks is suitable for my daughter. Yeah, she's like, this

1315
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 1: would be a good horse for her. Yeah, because of X,

1316
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: Y and Z. This guy's like, this would be a

1317
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: bad horse for that. Let's go put him on that horse. Um,

1318
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: you guys hunt raccoons. You guys hunt raccoons on mules?

1319
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: What kind of dogs you chase them with? I've got

1320
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: plot hounds, so you don't use your squirrel dogs? No, No,

1321
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: what's the plot? Plot? Hound? Is a It's a uk

1322
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: C registered breed of dogs p L O T T

1323
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: the plot home plot? Is it like a walker? Is

1324
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: it like over? I mean it's a it's a hound,

1325
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a fascinating story, like a lanky,

1326
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: long legged deal. Now it's a pretty compact. I mean

1327
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: my dogs are like fifty to sixty pounds, females in

1328
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: the forty five to fifty pound range, males in the

1329
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: sixty to sixty five pound range. If it wasn't black,

1330
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: it would look like a hound I'm looking at. That's

1331
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: what you're run raccoons with. You bet you like one

1332
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: of them? Like, what's the dog? I'm looking Catahoulo. Yeah,

1333
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: they're kind of a brindle dog. My dog, one of

1334
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: my dogs is black. But the plot, the plot hound

1335
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: is the only breed of hound that didn't descend from

1336
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: European fox hounds. So Walker, blue tick, red tick, English.

1337
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: All these dogs descended from European fox have all been

1338
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,879
Speaker 1: tainted by Europe. Well, the plotthhounds were to the plothounds

1339
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: came from Germany. But they were big game dogs in

1340
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: Germany and they were brought over in seventeen fifty by

1341
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: sixteen year old boy named your Honness Plot and Johannes's Plot.

1342
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: He his father bred these dogs for a nobleman in Germany.

1343
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 1: He sent his son to the New World, and what

1344
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: he sent him with was five hounds, which were the

1345
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: original plot hoounds. They came in. Johannes's Plot was sixteen

1346
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 1: years old. His brother died on the journey over. He

1347
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: and to one other brother came. They ended up in

1348
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: North Carolina with these five dogs. I mean they weren't

1349
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: plot hoounds, that that was just their last name. They

1350
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: were just hunting dogs. And he had a mix of

1351
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: males and females presumably. Yeah, And so the the story

1352
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: is is that the plothhound breed descended directly from those

1353
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: five dogs, and the plothhound is it's it's absolutely true

1354
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: to a degree. There's some like real hardcore plot men

1355
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: that are like, the plot breed has never been bred

1356
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: by anything outside of those five dogs. But clearly when

1357
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: you look at the history and the culture, I mean

1358
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: dogs on tethers out in people's yards and these mountain

1359
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: people they were breeding other dogs in but in general

1360
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: they stayed true to that, to that plot lineage. And

1361
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: uh so the plot is the national dog or the

1362
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: state dog of North Carolina, and it's the only hound.

1363
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: Jana is married into North Carolina. He's essentially from North Carolina. Okay,

1364
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: but the plot, the plot hound is the only breed

1365
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: of hounds that is directly associated with bear dogs. Some

1366
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: it's like a plot bear dog. And so for me,

1367
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: hunting coons with with plots is actually primarily because we

1368
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: cannot run big game in Arkansas with hounds, and so

1369
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to have plot hounds, and what we can

1370
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: run is raccoons. And so a tree dog is a

1371
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: tree dog. They'll chase anything with fur and they've just

1372
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: got to have that tree and instinct. So the difference

1373
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: between a bear dog and a raccoon dog is very

1374
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: different depending on how much you want to nerd out

1375
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: about it. But you could take a bear dog and

1376
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: train it to be a raccoon dog. Why do you

1377
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: guys call all it when when a when a tree, squirrel,

1378
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: a raccoon taps the tree, jumps from one tree to

1379
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: the next. Why do you call it that he timbered

1380
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: the tree? You know, I guess because that's I say tap,

1381
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: because that's the Jerry Clouds possible description of it. Steve,

1382
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: what else have we heard for that? Like Mississippi? I

1383
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: think you know that taps the tree, taps the tree.

1384
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 1: Let's say, when I hear the word taps the tree,

1385
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: to me, that means that the raccoon, squirrel, whatever went

1386
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: halfway up the tree and then came back down and

1387
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: went to another tree. Oh you know, that might be

1388
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: what Jerry claud was talking about. Yeah, that's what he

1389
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: was he was. Yeah, that's what he's saying. He tapped

1390
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: the tree. Yeah, so they timbered because he timbered out. Yeah,

1391
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: he timbered Like we didn't have we don't have a

1392
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: word where I'm from, We didn't have a word for that.

1393
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: You have to say something like he jumped into another tree. Yeah,

1394
01:18:58,160 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: you didn't settle with something like that. So that's what,

1395
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: like he tapped it but didn't climb, And that happens

1396
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot. A lot of people would think that they

1397
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: did that on purpose to throw off the dogs. And

1398
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that happens. I think that the critters

1399
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: just moving around and maybe went up that tree for

1400
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: a little while and goes to another one. So what happened? Dogs?

1401
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: And so the dog starts tree and on that tree

1402
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: you get there, there's no animal in the tree. And

1403
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: the guy goes, I tapped this tree, you know, and

1404
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: the coon's not there. That's good. Yeah, you guys eat

1405
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: the raccoons. No, no, I mean I can't. I can't.

1406
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: I have eaten them. But it's not the norm. Are

1407
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: you selling hides right now? You know? Uh? Uh? An

1408
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: Arkansas raccoon hide. I think the average market value last

1409
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: year per the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission report that

1410
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: they give was like less than two dollars a pet.

1411
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: It's sad. Yeah, we just don't have good for density.

1412
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 1: It's just not that good of a it's just not

1413
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: that good of a hide. So I mean, you know,

1414
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: we take so many people raccoon hunting. I have this

1415
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: like spiel down to like a science when I take people,

1416
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: because we do skin the hides. I've got a bunch

1417
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: of hides right now at a tannery. And uh and

1418
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: I get the hides tan flushing yourself. Yeah yeah, and

1419
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: and gived. Have you send up a we can do

1420
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 1: an exchange program. Done, I'll send you one. I'm not

1421
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: gonna get him back to like December over my I

1422
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: keep a raccoon hide over my desk chair. You come

1423
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: out of dog Durn's barn, well, come out of his

1424
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 1: his grain silo. Yeah, you know, obviously reasons that wanted

1425
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, well we you know. So I talked

1426
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: to people that I take hunting new hunters because we

1427
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: take a ton of new hunters raccoon hunting, We really do.

1428
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I talked about how this this

1429
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: hunt is is your there's two birds being killed with

1430
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: one stone, and that this is a conservation hunt, depredation

1431
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,440
Speaker 1: hunt in terms of we're trying to remove an unnatural

1432
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 1: amount of raccoons that are here. There's an unnatural amount

1433
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: of coons right now because because of agriculture, because of

1434
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: all the things that are going on ecologically, So we're

1435
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: trying to remove them because of their suppression of ground

1436
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: nesting birds, you know. And uh and yeah, we just don't.

1437
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: We just don't eat raccoon that much. It's laborious to

1438
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: cook it, you do, Like any when you talk to

1439
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: the eats raccoon, they're usually doing two or three things

1440
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: to it, like you cook it this way, then you

1441
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: cook it that way. We like slow cooked one, you know,

1442
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: and then finished it on a grill. It's not bad, though, Yeah,

1443
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: it's not bad. I've cooked it over an open fire,

1444
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: pretty open fire. You guys eat raccoons. You grew up

1445
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. You read to raccoon JOHNI I have not.

1446
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't remember anybody eating them. Just last

1447
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: guy told me he was eating raccoons and still making

1448
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: them cooking him was bo what it's for? Yeah, that

1449
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: was that was the name of that podcast. Yeah, no,

1450
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: that was the last the most reason and he still

1451
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: eats them. M hmm. I'd like to cooking on the

1452
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: one up. I mean, there's a million of them around

1453
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: here east here especially. You say it's pretty similar to beaver,

1454
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: no greasy, greasier. I think it's not a ton different

1455
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: than bear meat, even though I think bear meat is better,

1456
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: but it has that same, you know, kind of greasy feel.

1457
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: Diets fairly similar. But I really don't think it's that

1458
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: it could be eaten. But it's just not it's just

1459
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: not what you do. You know. What had to me

1460
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: that was funny is today I was thinking about, you know,

1461
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: when you're looking at YouTube videos, I was wondering how

1462
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: fixed the ratio is of likes and dislikes on YouTube videos.

1463
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: This is like honestly going through my head today. Um,

1464
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, it'd be interesting to take

1465
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: an analysis of all YouTube videos and add up the

1466
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: likes that dislikes because it's like, I feel like it's

1467
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: like less than like generally runs lessan ten percent all

1468
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: like dislike. Yeah, I feel like I was thinking, like,

1469
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: it's such it's so weird that there seems to be

1470
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: such a fixed ratio, like and when we put out videos,

1471
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: you look at the thumbs up and thumbs downs, they're

1472
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: like always fixed, right, overwhelmingly positive, but always yeah. And

1473
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: then I was reviewing one of your videos that that's

1474
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: got like one point eight million views and it has

1475
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: more dislikes and legs, which shattered my operator, which shattered

1476
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: the theory that I had just been thinking about that day.

1477
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: You know what's amazing video on talking about talking about

1478
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: let me tell you something that's amazing about that. I've

1479
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: been tracking that video now for about two years. Video.

1480
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: I put it up I think in September of seventeen,

1481
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: so almost two years seen his video. You haven't seen

1482
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: his video, h the like, the likes and dislikes were

1483
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: within a hundred of each other for years. It's ten

1484
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven thousand right now, Well it's it's started

1485
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: to kind of go over, but that's still very close. Yeah. Man,

1486
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: it was like it was like I wanted to start

1487
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: like calling my friends, like hey, you like this video.

1488
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: You know what's funny? I need to pull it back

1489
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: up and like it. It would help man over. Yeah, no, kids,

1490
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a time when I want to say,

1491
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: it was below a hundred difference between and it was

1492
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: just like, it's amazing that there's just this tug of war,

1493
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: but it actually stayed above on the positive side, and

1494
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: just in the last like a couple of months, it's

1495
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of tipped over. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. Tough being

1496
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: a YouTuber. Do you do you think of yourself as

1497
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: a YouTuber? Man, I never wanted to be on YouTube.

1498
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Intentionally stayed off YouTube two years ago because we were

1499
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: creating We've been creating video content for five years, and uh,

1500
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: never wanted to be on YouTube. To me, YouTube was

1501
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 1: like for cell phone videos and stuff you didn't want

1502
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: to watch and bad stuff. If you didn't want to

1503
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: watch it, that's where you put it. Yeah, and I

1504
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: had a buddy of like the garbage can. I mean,

1505
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: that's the way that was my perception. But just someone

1506
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: recently told me that, um, every minute, I don't know

1507
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: if this is true or not. I think from judging

1508
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: by the source, I think it's probably true. Every minute,

1509
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: four hundred hours of content are uploaded to YouTube. I

1510
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: believe that cynd hours per minute. Incredible. I had a

1511
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: buddy you could tell about the video. Yeah, I'm just

1512
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: gonna continue on how it got there. Yes, how you

1513
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: asked me if I felt like I was feeling at

1514
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: some point we need to get around to what's in it? Okay,

1515
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: but go ahead. You're you used you use the word YouTuber.

1516
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm a lot of surprised when someone calls

1517
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: himself a YouTuber. No, I don't really consider myself a YouTuber,

1518
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: but I do have content on YouTube, you know. But yeah,

1519
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: that's what I would think, because you wouldn't be like, um,

1520
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: it just seems weird to name like if you're a musician, right,

1521
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: and what you wind up that most of your money

1522
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: comes from Spotify? Do you call yourself a Spotify or right?

1523
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Just a platform for the art? Really? Yeah, and so

1524
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: it's like it just it always felt weird for me

1525
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: to be like, like, oh when it used to be

1526
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: like iTunes store. I would like to interject though, that

1527
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: I feel that YouTube made YouTubers and not that musicians

1528
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: made Spotify. Spotify wouldn't exist without musicians, That's what I'm Yeah,

1529
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 1: you're saying that platform created a platform, created a type

1530
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: of content producer, and it wasn't like musicians, like, oh,

1531
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: we used to make our business this way. Now we

1532
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: distribute that way in the way that that YouTube handles

1533
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: creators kind of channels do they handle creators? You bet? Yeah,

1534
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: you get if you guys are on you, I'm like,

1535
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: I get, but I don't think of them as like hand.

1536
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they handle well, they I feel like

1537
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: they're trying to help creators, like with the best possible

1538
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: ways to do things and to upload and create content,

1539
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: and so they kind of created this culture of hey,

1540
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: you guys are YouTubers. I mean, and you know, but

1541
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily identify with that. But but now, so,

1542
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about the video when you're ready?

1543
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm ready. So it actually surprises me that you brought

1544
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: this video up. Why you know? To me, well, I

1545
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: brought it up because of the really supernatural thing. I

1546
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: was not supernatural, like like above natural, but like exceedingly

1547
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: natural that I was thinking about the ratios then I'm

1548
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: then I was like before we came and talked, I

1549
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's funny. Yeah yeah, no,

1550
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: no it it's the year the people don't like it.

1551
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: More than man that this video has taught me a

1552
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: lot and really is toughened up my skin. I can't

1553
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: imagine talks about video. You don't know about the video video. No,

1554
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm not let me tell about it. No, you're telling

1555
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: about it. I was. I was a bear hunting in Saskatchewan,

1556
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: bear hunting in Saskatchewan. I believe in uh. I like

1557
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: the way you pronounced Saskatchew. Now you're gonna have some

1558
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: dude like you calling in and talking about how you

1559
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: didn't say it right, a skatchewe what you calls a

1560
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 1: cat scratch one. So, so hunting in Saskatchewan with it

1561
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: was it was a wilderness based boat hunt. So we

1562
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: were boating back in like on these on these Canadian rivers,

1563
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: and man, the Canadian wilderness is incredible. Oh yeah, they

1564
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: don't play around up there, man, like legit wilderness. Not

1565
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even classified as that. But we I was

1566
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: twenty one miles from the nearest road and we were

1567
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: hunting bar over bait and that is camping. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1568
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean we were camped closer to the road system,

1569
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: but we were going we were traveling by boat twenty

1570
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: one miles a day to get one way to get

1571
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: to this particular spot. Well, how do you get before

1572
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: it gets darker, before it gets late in the morning,

1573
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: You don't. You just typically are hunting in the evenings

1574
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the days. Yeah, in June and northern Saskatchewan hardly gets dark,

1575
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, so you just you just kind of navigate

1576
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: out and you you gotta give up on the idea

1577
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: of hunting from dawn until dark. And that's the hard

1578
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 1: one breakfast. Yeah. So, and that's the key component of

1579
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: this video is it was true wilderness to the to

1580
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the other direction from me. According to my buddy, it

1581
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: was the outfitter. The closest road was fifty six miles away.

1582
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,560
Speaker 1: So we're twenty one miles away from this road, and

1583
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: then the other direction, the closest road is fifty six miles.

1584
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a seventy five mile block

1585
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: of wilderness. Now they were they probably would have been

1586
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: like snowmobile trails and stuff in there, but like you

1587
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: couldn't have taken a motorized vehicle back in there. Yeah. Yeah,

1588
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: us in Alaska, if you headed west, you won't hit

1589
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: a role till you get into Siberia. Yeah. The first

1590
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: day of the hunt, we come to this it's a

1591
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,560
Speaker 1: bait site and nobody's hunted there that year. And he

1592
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: he told me, he's like, man, there's a big black

1593
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: bear coming in here. That's you know, that's what you're after.

1594
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 1: And so I was looking for a big black bear.

1595
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: He's beating with what oats and he's a lot of

1596
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: oats and grease up in northern Saskatchewan. Fry oil. Yep, yep,

1597
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: that's primarily what they used. So he he goes around

1598
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: the restaurants and saves all their grease and pours it

1599
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: on top of oats. Yep. I met a guy that

1600
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: long ago that was baiting with um. I don't know

1601
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: if it's the same brand. Do you know Jolly Ranchers.

1602
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: He gets barrels of that syrup that hardens into a

1603
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: Jolly rancher. Shots of that man puts them ever clear

1604
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: in air anyhow So, so it's the first said of

1605
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the hunt, the I miss a bear. So this video

1606
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: shows a ton of barry Interactionally, I missed this beart

1607
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: like probably twelve yards with a tradition, I'm hunting with

1608
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: a traditional bow. We're hunting off the ground there. The

1609
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 1: trees up there too small to put tree stands in.

1610
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: And so now why are you hunting with a traditional bowl,

1611
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 1: Just the same reason I write a mule. Just I

1612
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 1: like it. It's hard. You can't fake it. I like

1613
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: doing stuff that you can't fake. I mean, yeah, but

1614
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: you can say that about baiting bears. Yeah, I'd love

1615
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: to talk directly about that. When I say, when I

1616
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: say fake it, that's probably a hard term. But like,

1617
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 1: and that's not why I do it. But you can't

1618
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: fake being a traditional archer, like you can't just go

1619
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: pick it up. And it's probably a harsh term. I

1620
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: don't want to. Well, we talked to a guy yesterday

1621
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: that they've been doing this, they've been training new hunters

1622
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: up and shooting cross bowls and three hours they can

1623
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: have you ready to kill a deer. Yeah. Well, I

1624
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: would say in three hours they're ready to kill a deer.

1625
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: I would say you could do that with a compound

1626
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 1: boat today. I disagree hand three days, No, you know,

1627
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: it depends, man, but not no, no, no, no, no,

1628
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Okay, I can conceive that. But you

1629
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: can get them shooting accurate quick, Yeah, you really can't.

1630
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing. I'm not like yeah, and

1631
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm walking real careful here because uh no,

1632
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm dogging on your bow and crossbows because

1633
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: everybody knows that their own both way to go. Yeah

1634
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: that's right, No, do it like me? Yeah that's the

1635
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: right way. Yeah. Okay. So anyways, there you are on

1636
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the traditional bowl on the ground recurver long bow. This

1637
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: was a hybrid longbow, which is just kind of in

1638
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: between a recurve and a long bow. Yeah, I get

1639
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: confused with those bows a long bow. It's the most

1640
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: simple way to think about is a long bow has

1641
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 1: pretty much straight limbs and a recurve bow has the

1642
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: curved limb tips. And that's the simplest way to think

1643
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: about it. It's this bowl would have been kind of

1644
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: like you could call a cross bowl, but then it'd

1645
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: be like I mean crossed, like a little bit of

1646
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: each It would be a little confusing though. It would

1647
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 1: be confusing as hell. Yeah, I mean, so I missed

1648
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 1: this bear and then a different bear. I missed a

1649
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: bear that I never killed, big big like big Boone

1650
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: and Crockett, potential type bear. And did it spook him off? Yeah?

1651
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: He ran off, he did. He never came back. And

1652
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 1: see like the noise he knew. He all the bears

1653
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: know that you're there. That's that's that's what I kind

1654
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: of want to talk about. Well, we'll get the story

1655
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: will reveal this. So what we didn't show on the

1656
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: video is that almost all those bears walked up to us,

1657
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: not much different than the bear did. So these these

1658
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: bears they see you, so far in the wilderness that

1659
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: they are. They're not They're not that alarmed by human presence.

1660
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: And I'm realized I'm digging myself a hole, but I

1661
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: would love to talk myself out of it after I

1662
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: tell the story. So the bear, huh, you haven't seen

1663
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: this video. A bright blonde salve bear comes in, A

1664
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: bright blonde salve bear, beautiful bear comes in, and another

1665
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: bear comes in and they begin to frolic on the

1666
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: ground breed. I mean, it was incredible to watch him.

1667
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't think you really ever. It was like early summer.

1668
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: Well I was late June, which is a primetime for bear,

1669
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 1: you know. So these bears are frolicking around and literally

1670
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: rolling on each other, and he'd kind of jump up

1671
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 1: on her and act like he's gonna breed her, but

1672
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: he never really did. And then all of a sudden,

1673
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: off down beyond the bait, I see, I see a

1674
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: big color face bear coming up the hill. He's got

1675
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: a his lip was drooping and had saliva and dripping

1676
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: from his lips. Man, he did not like the looks

1677
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: of that one bear getting on that female he saw.

1678
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they were literally he the big the black

1679
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: bear was on top of the South, and they were

1680
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: just like, oh hey, you know, that's like they got busted.

1681
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: And he charges them, and these three bears just run

1682
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: right past us, and uh. And when I saw the

1683
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: color phrase bear, I was like, I want that's the bear.

1684
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: That's the bear I want to shoot. That's a shooter,

1685
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: old age class male, That's what I'm after. Forty three

1686
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: seconds later, the bear comes back in the colored bear,

1687
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: and they don't really look at you. I mean, it's

1688
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: kind of I've probably heard people talk about this was

1689
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: like grizz attacks and stuff. They he didn't he didn't

1690
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: just like look at me, but you could tell he was.

1691
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: He totally knew we were there. And he basically just

1692
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: kind of like starts walking towards us, but kind of

1693
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: at an angle, and then he gets about eight yards away,

1694
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: and at that point he directly looked at me, and

1695
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: then he turned and started to two to walk in

1696
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: a a place that was going to project him to

1697
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: be about five yards from me. Broadside is just walking

1698
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: this way, and I'm thinking, here's my chance. You know

1699
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 1: what's better than a Barrett tin yards is a Barrett five.

1700
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, when you got a traditional bow. And so

1701
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean I got three fingers under the knock. I

1702
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: mean this is about to happen. You do three under,

1703
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: you don't do one over and two under? Three? Is

1704
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: that for suckers? To do one over and two one?

1705
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's it's no meridian. One over two under

1706
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: is the traditional way to shoot a traditional bow. My

1707
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: kids do it. Oh really happen one over to under?

1708
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: Now let him shoot three under? Well, the reason we

1709
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: didn't weird kids because our arrows didn't fit our strings

1710
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: and you had to use You can chew on them

1711
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: all day long and bite the knocks down, but you

1712
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: still like had to pinch it on there. Why do

1713
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 1: you actually three fingers? I just think you can shoot better.

1714
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: It transformed my shooting when I when I just one

1715
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: day started shooting three under because you can draw that

1716
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: era right beneath your eye and there's some ship where

1717
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: you stack your fingers to right, you count down. Yeah

1718
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, people do that, but that's not normal

1719
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,759
Speaker 1: in hunting. That's more like Olympic style target shooting stuff.

1720
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: They tically not do that with hunting. So there we are,

1721
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: so the bears coming at me, and when he gets

1722
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 1: to like this place where he's just about to be

1723
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: broadside five yards away. He just turns and just comes

1724
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 1: at me, comes at you, like to the point where

1725
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 1: he comes up and touches your arrow. How do you

1726
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: how do you know he's not gonna um, he's not

1727
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna do anything. He's not gonna try to get a

1728
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: bite of year or get piste and scratch you when

1729
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 1: he's at close to get scared and take a jump

1730
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 1: out of you. This was the only situation thus far

1731
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: in my hunting career where a situation got out of control.

1732
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: Fucking say it that way. Up until he touched the

1733
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: end of my arrow, I thought I was in the

1734
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: driver's seat because I thought he was gonna turn. I

1735
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: thought he was just gonna kind of wheel in about

1736
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: two or three yards and just kind of spin and

1737
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: go on because he weighs quite a bit more than you. Yeah,

1738
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 1: it was probably you know, it was It was probably

1739
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 1: a two in fifty pound bear. I mean you could

1740
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: tell somebody it was four and they probably believe it

1741
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 1: was probably to fifty. And when he didn't stop coming

1742
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: and and I I subconsciously used the tip of the

1743
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: arrow to like I didn't poke him, but like I

1744
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: positioned my arrow so that. I mean, imagine a dog

1745
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: like attacking you and you've got a bow and arrow

1746
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: in your hand, and you're not gonna shoot him in.

1747
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd like use what you had in your

1748
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: hand to keep the animal in between, you know, away

1749
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: from you. And when my arrow touched his nose, that's

1750
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: when I said, oh crap. Literally, that's what I said.

1751
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: And uh and I backpedaled and it startled him and

1752
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: he raised up on his hind legs about three quarter

1753
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: It's not like he just stood straight up, but he

1754
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: he kind of reared up and he stuck his head

1755
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 1: in the blind and just kind of smelled us and

1756
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: then dropped down and uh and yeah, do you feel

1757
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: that that was his first encounter with humans? Absolutely? And

1758
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: there's a couple of back things behind it too. The

1759
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: uh Kobe Morrison had never seen that bear before. I mean,

1760
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 1: these are stations that they know what barriers are coming in,

1761
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: never seen that bear before. I am confident that Barrett

1762
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: never encountered a human and that's why he did what

1763
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: he did. It was just like, who are these guys?

1764
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: Like what is that? Who are these guys? And I

1765
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: it's the only time in my life that I didn't

1766
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: think he was gonna eat me. I was just reading him.

1767
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I just didn't think he was gonna attack

1768
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 1: me and eat me. Yeah, but I I yeah, not

1769
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: that he's coming in with that intention. But when he's

1770
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: that close, there's no room. Right when he's that close,

1771
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: like the minute he gets scared, he's so on top

1772
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: of you that you could just see and I know,

1773
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,879
Speaker 1: like like a grizzly would be a very bad situation.

1774
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: You wouldn't let that happen. Yeah, And like black you

1775
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 1: couldn't write because they when they get scared, day lay

1776
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the lash out. And so you could be thinking, oh, yeah,

1777
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: when black bears get a scared, day run. But at

1778
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: that close, it's just hard to rule out that he's

1779
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: not going to get scared and neutralize what he's also not.

1780
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 1: And I thought that's what was gonna happen. After I

1781
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: said oh crap and I stepped back, I thought, it's like,

1782
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, one time almost drowned, and it was like

1783
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 1: slow motion, like, oh, this is what it feels like

1784
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 1: to drown. In that moment, I thought, oh, this is

1785
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: what it feels like right before you get roughed up

1786
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: by bear. I mean, I thought he might just kind

1787
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: of like whack me. I thought he might knock my

1788
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: bow out of my hand or something. And yeah, it was.

1789
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 1: It was scary but it But a lot of people

1790
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: are like, what were you thinking? What were you thinking?

1791
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to kill that bear. I did not

1792
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: have another thought in my mind other than that's the

1793
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: bear I want to kill. And I was in I

1794
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: was in mode of that's what I'm gonna do. Yeah,

1795
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: surprised me how much you kept your composure. Two. Then

1796
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: take the shot, man, that's what I took a ton

1797
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: of heat for, even from bow hunters. What the shot? Well,

1798
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: we can talk about that later. But yeah, so he

1799
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 1: because he's like two ft away. Man. You go read

1800
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 1: some of those comments, I made a conscious decision not

1801
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 1: too well. Yeah, I understand that. Well, that's another another

1802
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 1: when I'm trying to when I'm trying to, like um taken,

1803
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: well formed, well thought out sentences, I don't typically go

1804
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,600
Speaker 1: to the YouTube comments. I hear you, I hear you.

1805
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people, A lot of people had a

1806
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: sentiment of that bear gave you spared my life and

1807
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: then I took kids. What a terrible things he spared

1808
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: your life? Steve It's incredible how many people. I mean,

1809
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I bet since I've been in Bozeman, someone has made

1810
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: a comment that that bear spared my life and what

1811
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: a expletive expletive expletive I am for shooting him, and

1812
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: how cowardly it was for me to shoot him once

1813
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 1: he turned his back on me. No, I'm not. I mean,

1814
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 1: hundreds hundreds of comments, and that's a sentiment the hunters

1815
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 1: have no no, Okay, what I took for on flag

1816
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 1: for the shot was and this goes just a shot

1817
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: placement stuff. People said there was a terrible shot and

1818
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,560
Speaker 1: shot him in the butt or something. Man, that was

1819
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: a full length shaft, thirty inch long shaft. I got

1820
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:13,600
Speaker 1: seventeen inches of penetration, steep quartering away angle, hit it

1821
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 1: in the last rib. It was totally immortal shot. I

1822
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,600
Speaker 1: won't give on that because people are like, oh, you

1823
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't killed because I made a follow up shot that

1824
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: was better than the first shot, granted the first When

1825
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: you shot again, man, he just strolled out. I sorry,

1826
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell what the arrow did. I just tendering him. Yeah,

1827
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: out there he felt either arrow would have killed him.

1828
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Either arrow, But you know, I mean he's he's he

1829
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 1: just he just kind of strutted out there like nothing happened,

1830
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 1: Like he didn't evenine that. So I was just like,

1831
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: what do you do when he keeps walking? You shoot

1832
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: him again? How far was it the second time? About

1833
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 1: twenty four yards? Dude watching it it's unsettling. Man, It's

1834
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: like it's like you're like, wow, you know. But then

1835
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: the thing I think is, yeah, it's unsetting because you're

1836
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: sort of watching it through other people's eyes. Yeah, but

1837
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: anything like you're hunting, the objective is the objective is

1838
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 1: to get a bear. You got a bear, yea? What

1839
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: is it removed? The objective of the bearer comes up

1840
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: and touches your arrow? Yea? If you had, If you had,

1841
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: if someone was hunting deer and the buck came up

1842
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: and touched the arrow and the guy shot it, that's

1843
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: not going to annoy people. It does, Yeah, I mean

1844
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:27,799
Speaker 1: I've made I mean to annoy some of it wouldn't

1845
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:29,560
Speaker 1: annoy eleven thousand of them. I mean it would have

1846
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: made it would have made these people that had complaints

1847
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,599
Speaker 1: happier if I had shot the bear a tin yards,

1848
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: which that doesn't make any difference. But now there's there's

1849
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: a lot to this, and obviously people don't understand baiting

1850
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: and and Steve, honestly, this is awesome that we're having

1851
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 1: this conversation because I have been torn at different times

1852
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've created my my position, which

1853
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: I assume you would agree with hopefully maybe. But just

1854
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,680
Speaker 1: like when I first put that up, I thought, is

1855
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 1: this good for hunting? For this to be on YouTube?

1856
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 1: Because of how misunderstood it was, and from a guy

1857
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: that's running a small business, and you know, I mean

1858
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: like this has been good for my business. Um, you know,

1859
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, am I gonna? I mean, I've really

1860
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: wrestled with that because man, the first few months that

1861
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: I had that up, I was like, this is bizarre.

1862
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 1: I mean, people talking about my mama, people talking about

1863
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 1: my wife, people, my kids. Oh, just people saying I

1864
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: hope your mom dies. I hope she dies of cancer.

1865
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean just like mom, yeah, oh yeah. They talked

1866
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 1: about juju yeah, oh yeah. So that's when my kids

1867
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: call my mother. But no, I just just like like, oh,

1868
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but like yeah, Karmen,

1869
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:47,800
Speaker 1: Like my mother's name is Judy, So my my kids

1870
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: call her juju. So we joke. We joke with my mom.

1871
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 1: We're like, YouTube hate you. So they were like, I

1872
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: hope your mom because they're like, you're dying would be

1873
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: bad enough. I want your mother to die. Yeah. Anyway,

1874
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: if picked up my skin. For a while, I had

1875
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 1: the comments closed down because I was just like, this

1876
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: is crazy, that's a great future closing comments. Yeah, But

1877
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: then I then I decided to open them back up,

1878
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: and I've just left him up in in the you know.

1879
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: I guess it has to do with just how much

1880
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,799
Speaker 1: time I have. But I've gotten to where I respond

1881
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: to some people if they have it, if I can

1882
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 1: discern that they have a genuine like question of why

1883
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: we do it. You could write a book off the

1884
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: off the comments that I've made two genuine people about

1885
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 1: the North American model for wildlife conservation and hunting older

1886
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,879
Speaker 1: mature males being selective. Um bear number bears are thriving

1887
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: all across North America. Most of these people think that

1888
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: I killed the last black bear on the planet. Actually,

1889
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,560
Speaker 1: they think I killed the last grizzly bear on the

1890
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 1: planet because of what color it was. Oh absolutely, They're like, God,

1891
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 1: dare you kill it? Grizzly, and I'm just saying, Kevin,

1892
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: have you have you killed the bear over bait? No,

1893
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: we're just talking about this. I've never killed a bear.

1894
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: He's never killed because we're gonna swop. Yeah, how did

1895
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: you avoid bear hunting? I think the biggest part of

1896
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: it was in Minnesota. I was always playing baseball in Springs,

1897
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I played college baseball. So, yeah, can I read your quote? Sure,

1898
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 1: we pull it up, go on, finished talking. Yeah, So

1899
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: I guess it just wasn't a thing we grew up doing.

1900
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: And then when I came out West and I've been

1901
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: on bear hunts, haven't killed one myself, but I hear

1902
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: a quote from Jim Harrison. Sure, in the spring and summer,

1903
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: the boys in the town carry either baseball mits or

1904
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 1: fish poles on their bicycles. Two different types are being formed,

1905
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: and though they might merge or vary at times, most

1906
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: often they have set themselves up for life. So you

1907
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: broke the trend. Yeah. We used to tell Jim here

1908
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,839
Speaker 1: he was wrong, but he's dead. Yikes. Yeah. In baseball,

1909
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,600
Speaker 1: we usa these like hunting racks on our bikes, and

1910
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 1: we biked baseball practice. One hole would have fishing rod.

1911
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 1: One would have the back. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's

1912
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:00,679
Speaker 1: being a little rigid there. I just I was thinking

1913
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: about that. Is what happened was, Um, I want to

1914
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 1: get back to this YouTube video. But the other day

1915
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 1: of my boy for the first time. He's nine and

1916
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: we don't him straight too far. But his buddies, the

1917
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 1: neighbor kids twelve, and they both liked to fish, so

1918
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: they wanted to go fish where they had to ride

1919
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: off a mile away or whatever. Um, and I said,

1920
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I said, you can go, but I took the twelve

1921
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: year old boy. His name Oddley's Harrison. Took twelve year

1922
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: old boy, and I said, you're in charge, and and uh,

1923
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: that's great if you guys go together, but I want

1924
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 1: to make sure you come back together, like don't you

1925
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 1: split and leave him and you know what I mean.

1926
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: And they rolled off together with their backpacks and they

1927
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 1: rigged the rods up their backpacks and rolled off together.

1928
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: And dude, it was heartbreaking because he didn't want me

1929
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: to go. He didn't say it, but he was like,

1930
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: didn't want me to go. He wanted to have the tag.

1931
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:02,600
Speaker 1: He's like was awesome, real concerned about what if it

1932
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: was his tackle box or not. If it was his

1933
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 1: rod or not. It was not like old come with right.

1934
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: She was just like, we're out of here. He kind

1935
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 1: of like, I hope you don't want to go, and

1936
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: they took off and his way out, he goes to

1937
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 1: get a zip like bag for his fish and they

1938
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: took off down the road, and um, I put it

1939
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram the video him taken off on Instagram, and uh,

1940
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: and and and I thought of that Jim Harrison quote,

1941
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: and I put that Jim Harrison quote in there. Dude,

1942
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking. Just wait, just wait, there's gonna be

1943
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 1: shat wraps disappearing on your tackle box. I grounded him

1944
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: last night because he lost a bowl, Like, how do

1945
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 1: you lose a boat? I caunually losing arrows, but you

1946
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: don't lose the bowl. Was talking about all this stuff

1947
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: of disappearing. Now it's starting to come back around. But yeah,

1948
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: he found it and got on grounded. But but I

1949
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: had to like try to find a way to express

1950
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: to him that it was not acceptable to lose the

1951
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: whole bow. Oh man. Anyhow, Uh, playing baseball didn't bear hunt. Yeah,

1952
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 1: sell me on bear sell me on bear bait. Yeah,

1953
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 1: So anywhere that you can hunt bears over bait. It's

1954
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 1: a management tool for the powers that be that have

1955
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 1: the data, that want to achieve a harvest objective of

1956
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 1: taking out a certain number of bears. That's the way,

1957
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: that's the only way they can do it. I mean,

1958
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: you you look at any place where it's legal bait

1959
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 1: bears and it is a management tool. Spotting stock hunting

1960
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,679
Speaker 1: could not take out the number of bears that they need,

1961
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: and so they use baiting as a management tool for bears.

1962
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 1: Can I tell you a story about the first bear

1963
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I ever saw in Michigan? Grew up there, there's bears there.

1964
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 1: My brother drew a bear tag. We put out and

1965
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 1: lived our whole lives. Never saw damn bear. He put

1966
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 1: his out a bait pile. Within a couple days, I

1967
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,679
Speaker 1: saw my first bear. You know what I'm saying. It works,

1968
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 1: just flat thick. Yeah. Why did game in Phish agencies

1969
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 1: need to reduce the numbers of bears? That's just I mean,

1970
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,839
Speaker 1: just like every other thing, there's a suitable amount of habitat.

1971
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like we've got X number of

1972
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 1: available quality habitat for bears. Those bears that bear population

1973
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 1: will remain healthy if it stays at these numbers, bear

1974
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 1: population is increased by ten percent per year if you

1975
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 1: don't if you don't harvest these bears, then overpopulation isn't

1976
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 1: like the end of the world. But you know, if

1977
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 1: if a block habitat is supposed to can confeasibly hold

1978
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: ten bears and it's got fifteen in it, all fifteen

1979
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: or compromised in some way, so why not take out

1980
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: those five balance it and have a population that stable.

1981
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just just like any other species. But

1982
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: you're talking about a little bit different situation when you

1983
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about a big predator. That there's a low

1984
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:07,639
Speaker 1: cultural tolerance for a bear being on your back porch

1985
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 1: eating your bird seed as opposed to deer. So I mean,

1986
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: I think that we just had a running We just

1987
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,760
Speaker 1: had a bear in our neighborhood. That bear is not

1988
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: alive anymore. Yeah, he wasn't killed by a hunter. See,

1989
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the thing. Bears are going to

1990
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 1: be taken out of the population, you know, So why

1991
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't we use hunting in Arkansas? Like so? Arkansas reinstated

1992
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 1: s bear season in nineteen eighty, So from nineteen eighty

1993
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: to two thousand, one that all you could do in

1994
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: Arkansas would be equivalent to a Western spot in stock hunt. Okay,

1995
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean you just had to go out and just

1996
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 1: hunt them. Okay, Oh, I do that now by choice. Yeah,

1997
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 1: I do that now by choice. But I'm I'm giving

1998
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,679
Speaker 1: you an example. So for twenty one years you could

1999
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: only hunt in that way in Arkansas, and they killed

2000
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact data, but I'm gonna guess

2001
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 1: less than twenty bears a year. I mean, because it's

2002
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: just such a tough hunt. It's just such a low

2003
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:06,440
Speaker 1: odds hunt. I mean, bears were being killed just by happenstance,

2004
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:12,600
Speaker 1: by walking past the deer hunters. Opportunistic yeah, yeah, opportunistic

2005
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: deer hunters killing bears. And so basically the bear properation

2006
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: got to a point where they said, man, we've got

2007
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 1: to take out three bears a year. How are we

2008
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: going to do that? Well, in Arkansas, the furthest you've

2009
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 1: seen in any directions about fifty yards in most places,

2010
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: so that's not by spot and stock hunting. And they said,

2011
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:32,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna use bow hunters over bait on private land

2012
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 1: to manage the bears in Arkansas. Do the same thing

2013
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: in southeast Oklahoma, and so where people have a problem

2014
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 1: with it is this emotional sense that some way it's

2015
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: not you know, fair to put out bait and draw

2016
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 1: a bear in Well. My position on it is is

2017
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 1: that if if the goal of conservation is to strategically

2018
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 1: take out animals, bear baiting is has the opportunity to

2019
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 1: be highly selective. You can be highly selective. Not everybody is,

2020
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 1: but you have the opportunity to be highly selective watching

2021
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,800
Speaker 1: animal for a long period of time before you can

2022
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 1: you can sex it, you can tell its age, you know,

2023
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 1: get a general estimate, you can make a wise decision

2024
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: about where you're gonna shoot that bear. I would argue

2025
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 1: that that spot in stock hunting is the least selective

2026
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:24,600
Speaker 1: type of hunting. Oh, I'd agree with that at least opportunity.

2027
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: Like if you say that does it and what chance

2028
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: does the hunter have the map whether he acts on

2029
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: it or not, and what chances the hunter have the

2030
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 1: maximum capability and knowing what we're going on, I'd be

2031
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: like a tree hund hunting. Yeah, in bait probably one

2032
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 1: of the same, because officis, they might treat you high

2033
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: up to get a good look at him and the

2034
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: third being spot start. Yeah, and so if you're talking about, well,

2035
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: who's the conservation hero, because I've been, I'm on both

2036
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: sides of it when I kill the I don't want

2037
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: to get too far away from what I'm talking about.

2038
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 1: But like that's the number one foundational thing that I

2039
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: think gives us is that this is a management tool.

2040
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: But what nobody People can buy that, but they can't

2041
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: buy what. People have a hard time understanding, and it's

2042
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: because of a skewed foundational understanding of wildlife as they

2043
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 1: feel like that this is somehow unfair to do this.

2044
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: And I feel like Steve, that we're shooting ourselves in

2045
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 1: the foot by hunters. It's almost like we are giving

2046
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 1: into the emotional propaganda that a wild beast is is,

2047
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, like you shouldn't you shouldn't kill a bear,

2048
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 1: charismatic megafauna. You know, you shouldn't kill a bear. It's

2049
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 1: okay to kill a deer, but you shouldn't kill a bear.

2050
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 1: Like totally emotional propaganda. This is an animal that just

2051
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 1: we have this emotional connection to and I kind of

2052
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 1: feel like that hunters play into that a little bit,

2053
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: like we're like, yeah, I don't mean that they the

2054
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: hunters are like, Okay, I'll give you I'll give up

2055
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:03,120
Speaker 1: on that one. Yeah. And and here's I'm not jumping

2056
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 1: too far ahead, Steve, but I feel like that we've

2057
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: we've started to use a hashtag called guard the Gate. Okay,

2058
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: guard the gate in the right now, the biggest threat

2059
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: to hunting. I mean, there's lots of threats, you know,

2060
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 1: access to land and habitat and these things, but one

2061
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: of the most direct threats is anti hunting community massively

2062
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: coming in on us. And bear hunting is the gate

2063
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: for the anti hunting community to get into our space.

2064
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 1: Would you agree with for And so our stance is

2065
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: why wouldn't we want to like create and form And

2066
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm open to for input, but like, why wouldn't we

2067
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 1: want to create and form this powerful narrative for why

2068
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 1: that we do what we do? Why do we use hounds?

2069
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: Why do we use bait? Because a lot of hunters

2070
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 1: don't understand that a lot of hunters would be like, ah,

2071
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 1: we could give that to them. Like honestly, I think

2072
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters would just be like, Hey, why

2073
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 1: don't we just give them, just give them the hounds

2074
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: and the bait. Just let them have that, but we

2075
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 1: all know that that will not solve the problem, because

2076
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: they're not just after hounds and bait. It's just the

2077
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: lowest rung on the ladder. It's just the it's just

2078
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 1: the easiest thing that's easy enough to sell. And so

2079
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: if we could sit down in a perfect world with

2080
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 1: the anti the powers that be in the anti hunting

2081
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 1: community and could truly say, hey, will you stop harassing

2082
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: our way of life if we will give this to you,

2083
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it, though, Well, I wouldn't

2084
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 1: even make even if I knew it was like even

2085
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 1: if like somehow it was like an enforceable deal, I

2086
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do the deal. Well, but the thing

2087
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 1: is is that they wouldn't. I mean, like if we

2088
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 1: give them let's say, let's say that, I mean, let's

2089
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 1: just say it was somehow it was possible, like through whatever,

2090
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 1: it was like possible that you would make a truce

2091
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, I'll forfeit, I'll forfeit these two

2092
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 1: things and then you'll never mass with us again. Um,

2093
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 1: I would be like I wouldn't. I wouldn't make the deal,

2094
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 1: would make that deal. And that's why I think sometimes

2095
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: we're missing it when it's not. I mean, we have

2096
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: been really my personal I mean, I would rather kill

2097
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: a bear in the National Force in Arkansas with my

2098
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 1: traadbo just out in the mountains. So it's not like

2099
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 1: I just have this love affair with bait and bears,

2100
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 1: but I feel like that it's a critical component of

2101
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: this whole mechanism of hunting that we have to guard

2102
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 1: this thing and so guard the gate, you know, the

2103
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: well that those That's that's my main my main thoughts.

2104
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 1: What annoys me a little bit and you run into

2105
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: this in a in a handful of things, is people

2106
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: will take it's almost like almost it's almost like I

2107
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 1: almost the only want to bring it up. No, I

2108
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 1: bring it up. Let's say a hunter says I don't

2109
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 1: have any desire to shoot a bear over bait. People

2110
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 1: take that to be a condemnation. And yeah, no, people

2111
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 1: do like I don't uh hunt whether they are so

2112
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 1: people be like, oh, he must condemn a r So

2113
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,600
Speaker 1: like I don't hold the long bow. Do you also

2114
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 1: think that I condemn long bows. It's just like I

2115
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 1: just feel like there's a little bit of a part

2116
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: of that sensitivity is people want to. There's if there's

2117
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:16,080
Speaker 1: a practice that the broader public might view as being

2118
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 1: controversial that somehow you not participating in it is supporting

2119
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 1: that when you could, when you could have very much

2120
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 1: like I think they're uh, typically it would be I

2121
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 1: haven't hunted that way, I haven't gone out and booked

2122
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 1: a trip to go do that. Do I have a

2123
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 1: problem with it? Absolutely not. But there are a thousand

2124
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: things to do in this world. There's a thousand hunts

2125
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 1: to do kinds of hunts in a lifetime. You only

2126
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 1: get to do a hundred, and so does that mean

2127
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 1: I hate Yeah, I think that's probably a symptom of

2128
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 1: being the bottom round on the ladder. Maybe you're a

2129
01:58:55,960 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: little insecure. I get it, I get it. But then

2130
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 1: if you take someone like another beleaguered group would be trappers,

2131
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 1: trappers don't get pissed at people for not trapping. Yeah, well,

2132
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think bear hunters are upset

2133
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 1: for people for not hunting bear over bait. I think

2134
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 1: it's just a general a general stigma, and not everywhere,

2135
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 1: but in some places that just it's like taboo to

2136
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 1: do this, you know, Yeah, you know, one of the

2137
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 1: things that people mix up a whole bunch of things.

2138
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 1: People mix up. They're like, and we talked about this

2139
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 1: all damn time. We talked about yesterday ethics, right, but

2140
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 1: like ethics and what end do you need, like ethics

2141
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:39,240
Speaker 1: meaning the challenge for the hunter or somehow something to

2142
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 1: do with ethics meaning the experience of the animal, the

2143
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 1: experience of the animal. You're not doing the animal service

2144
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: or disservice to kill it one way or another, except

2145
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 1: for what's most effective. You'd be if you're gonna look

2146
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: and say, like, what is most ethical? And I would say, okay,

2147
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:00,680
Speaker 1: in terms of the likelihood of success us or in

2148
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 1: terms of like sort of like what's the most ethical

2149
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 1: way to dispatch an animal? I think that if you're

2150
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 1: saying the most ethical way to dispatch an animal to

2151
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:09,840
Speaker 1: be bait because you have the greatest chance for a

2152
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:13,200
Speaker 1: really good shot opportunity. So people be like, honeymore based,

2153
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 1: not ethical. I'm like, what what part of this you're

2154
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 1: talking about? Because getting a twenty yard shot at a

2155
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:22,600
Speaker 1: stationary animal that's broadside you that you can make a

2156
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 1: good judgment on what's going on and place your arrow carefully,

2157
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty damn ethical. If the goal is to kill

2158
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:32,040
Speaker 1: it quick. Yeah. But then but that's not the that's

2159
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 1: not what people are on the top about that. That's

2160
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 1: the thing. That's why I hate when people use the

2161
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 1: word I almost hate, like the word ethics. I don't

2162
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,080
Speaker 1: hate the word ethics, but I mean I hate when

2163
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:41,040
Speaker 1: it's like describing that way. Like I've had so many

2164
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 1: people come to me and say, oh, I hunt with

2165
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 1: the bolks. It's more ethical to play devil's advocate. Okay,

2166
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: we are. I think the thing we've brought it before.

2167
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 1: The bait that can trip people up is that you're

2168
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:57,640
Speaker 1: changing the animals natural behavior or natural patterns. But then

2169
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 1: some people would argue this, when a whale water is

2170
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,440
Speaker 1: up on the beach and there's twenty bears feeding off it,

2171
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 1: is the weale guilty of changing their natural patterns. No,

2172
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 1: what's natural is if there's a big cache of food

2173
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:13,080
Speaker 1: out in the woods, as an elk carcass, if you like,

2174
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 1: If you butcher an elk and leave the gut pile

2175
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 1: on the bear eats, that have you changed the bear's

2176
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,880
Speaker 1: natural habits. He's out in the woods, he finds a

2177
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 1: big thing to eat and hang it. You're capitalizing upon

2178
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:25,040
Speaker 1: a natural thing that a bear does. I mean a

2179
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 1: bear interacts with a bait site the same way that

2180
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: he interacts with a wide oak acorn covered ridge. I

2181
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:33,800
Speaker 1: mean he pounds it until the food sources gone. I

2182
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:36,760
Speaker 1: mean like it. Yeah, I mean you're I mean, I'm

2183
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 1: just doing the whole Devil's advocating. We're two douvils advocating. Hey,

2184
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:45,440
Speaker 1: can I can I paying the story? That could. I'm

2185
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,000
Speaker 1: not gonna step on anybody's toes, but it could. I

2186
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's legit. So I think I

2187
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 1: think the issue, especially with hunters, is is an issue

2188
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 1: that I think could be characterized by fair chase. People

2189
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:59,480
Speaker 1: say it's not fair chase to hunt. But yeah, okay,

2190
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start the story by saying that I love

2191
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,880
Speaker 1: Western spot in style hunting. I hunted Montana, killed the

2192
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 1: bear in Montana, hauled my mules up here this year,

2193
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: and hinted to do it yourself. Deal. I love it,

2194
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 1: but let me Yeah, I killed the bear man, brought

2195
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 1: my mules up from Arkansas. Where, Oh, Western Montana. I'll

2196
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 1: tell you right where after we're off there here. Um,

2197
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're out here hunting the spring. Yeah,

2198
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: how made you see a lot? We we saw bears

2199
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: al ust every day, killed the killed a nice boar.

2200
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,480
Speaker 1: You show me where. I mean, I don't even know exactly.

2201
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I'll show you. Um, So, what's what's

2202
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:43,080
Speaker 1: more fair Chase? Two hunt with a high powered rifle

2203
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 1: with a custom turret on it, have technological mapping capabilities

2204
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:57,200
Speaker 1: that absolutely are supernatural compared to the human navigation abilities

2205
02:02:57,240 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 1: we have. I'm talking about having like an app on

2206
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:04,440
Speaker 1: your phone, having a four wheeler, and having optics which

2207
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:11,160
Speaker 1: greatly radically increase your natural ability to see. So what's

2208
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:14,160
Speaker 1: more fair chase we're talking about we're talking about success rate? No,

2209
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:16,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about fair Chase like fair well, but we

2210
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 1: have to have a way. We have to have a way.

2211
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,360
Speaker 1: We're finally checking it. If it's success rates, it's still

2212
02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:23,320
Speaker 1: better to home with bait. Okay, I said, you cut

2213
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:24,640
Speaker 1: me right to the chach. I should have known you

2214
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 1: would have done it. Man, you're good now. So yeah,

2215
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:33,080
Speaker 1: so you give me those four things, which optics and

2216
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:34,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna give a plug for on X hunt maps

2217
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:36,680
Speaker 1: because they're awesome. I wouldn't have killed the bear I

2218
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:40,800
Speaker 1: did without on X, that's the truth. Um, And uh,

2219
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:44,880
Speaker 1: you know a four wheeler, a map or you got

2220
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:47,160
Speaker 1: a bucket of bait and a mule and a bow.

2221
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:52,440
Speaker 1: Which one is? Which guy is more fair chase? Again,

2222
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:57,880
Speaker 1: it's a difficult word to work with because we don't

2223
02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:02,040
Speaker 1: know what it means. If we mean that it makes

2224
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 1: it really if we mean what way makes it harder

2225
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:07,400
Speaker 1: to kill a bear? Which I think is what some

2226
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 1: people are kind of talking about, like evens the playing field.

2227
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,640
Speaker 1: And you said to me, which of those people a

2228
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:18,400
Speaker 1: guy with a quad and an X and a high

2229
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:23,160
Speaker 1: powered rifle and optics in a non bait state compared

2230
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:25,760
Speaker 1: to a guy with bait and a bow and a

2231
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 1: bait state, the guy with bait and a bow will

2232
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:32,200
Speaker 1: have a higher success rate than the guy in a

2233
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 1: non bait state. But I don't know that that's what

2234
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's what people mean when they

2235
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:45,640
Speaker 1: talk about this kind of Eldo Leopold. This guy slipped

2236
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 1: this in real quick that Boone and Crockett basically says

2237
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 1: the fair chase is just in a in a manner

2238
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:54,240
Speaker 1: that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair

2239
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:59,400
Speaker 1: advantage over the game animal. Again, it's slippery language. Crockett

2240
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: is all basically, well, they're they're totally cool with baiting hounds, Boone,

2241
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,960
Speaker 1: crock It is. I am too. Yeah, I'm glad to

2242
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:13,600
Speaker 1: hear that. Man, I am one of one of the

2243
02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 1: when what I've ever said or done something to make

2244
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 1: you feel otherwise besides saying what's interesting to me? Now?

2245
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 1: I get it. You know I think I don't like starfruit. Yeah,

2246
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think sometimes we're probably probably a

2247
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:36,560
Speaker 1: little maybe a little insecure for real, Like you got

2248
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 1: what Randall Weaver calls the persecution complex. Yeah, we do.

2249
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean what's true because they are persecuted. I mean

2250
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 1: we we really are. So nah. Yeah, you know I

2251
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 1: got half my Brody, our buddy Brody. He would he

2252
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 1: did a hound hunt this year. Man. I loved hunted mountains,

2253
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 1: the hounds. I haven't had it. I would. I would

2254
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and go hunt Bear the house. Hey,

2255
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:05,640
Speaker 1: that's like home with hounds. You don't like? Very interesting?

2256
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:07,400
Speaker 1: To come with me to New Mexico on a meal

2257
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:11,560
Speaker 1: based hound hunt for Bear. You do that, I'm going

2258
02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:14,200
Speaker 1: to you get around a little bit, uh yeah, you

2259
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:18,800
Speaker 1: bounce around? Yeah? Yeah, I would do that it's it's

2260
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna be. I'm really interested in hounds, man, Like how

2261
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:24,160
Speaker 1: like all this stuff? I mean, I like how much

2262
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:27,480
Speaker 1: stuff those people know. Yeah, so it's powerful for us

2263
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:29,840
Speaker 1: to get a get even just a small hat tip

2264
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 1: from a guy like you, Steve for real. Yeah, I

2265
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:34,760
Speaker 1: mean like the first bear ever eight was my brother.

2266
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:36,520
Speaker 1: The first piece of bearing me to ever eate, we

2267
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: eat we that bear down to the nobles was a

2268
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:41,280
Speaker 1: bear my brother Danny killed over bait Pie when he

2269
02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:43,680
Speaker 1: drew a bear tan in Michigan. Second bear every it

2270
02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 1: was the one my other brother killed over bait Pilo, Michigan.

2271
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:49,440
Speaker 1: This this is what we say, and you may say

2272
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:50,880
Speaker 1: it too. Maybe I've never heard you say it, but

2273
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 1: we have absolutely got to defend every legal method of

2274
02:06:55,120 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 1: hunting that I mean and in my traditional use, every

2275
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 1: legal method of hunting that's legal today in twenty nineteen,

2276
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:06,480
Speaker 1: it's been run through the ringer of all the things.

2277
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, is that science based? Is that? This? Is

2278
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: that that? And we've got nothing left to give the

2279
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 1: anti hunting community. Well, my my perspective on this, I mean,

2280
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 1: my perspective is, like I said, you know, I support

2281
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:27,920
Speaker 1: people's right two have a legally ordained and legally managed

2282
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:31,919
Speaker 1: way of extracting natural resources of sustainable populations of wildlife.

2283
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:35,480
Speaker 1: I've used population like healthy populations of wildlife where there's

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02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,640
Speaker 1: public demand, and used for it a view that we

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02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:42,560
Speaker 1: have a right set up, a system set up by

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02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:46,000
Speaker 1: which we determined the resources viable and it can withstand

2287
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:48,880
Speaker 1: x amount of pressure, and we allocate that through a

2288
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:51,040
Speaker 1: democratic process and give people the right to go out

2289
02:07:51,080 --> 02:07:54,720
Speaker 1: and utilize resources. And bears are part of that. There's

2290
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:57,480
Speaker 1: certainly desire always has been. If you went to the

2291
02:07:57,520 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 1: frontier settlements, they shot deer for hides, they ate bear meat.

2292
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:05,800
Speaker 1: H Now, in a lot of places, that's just the

2293
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 1: only way to go about it, Like traditionally, that's all

2294
02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:11,520
Speaker 1: people have done it. I have no desire to see

2295
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:14,400
Speaker 1: that be taken away from them, especially in places where

2296
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:17,640
Speaker 1: you're effectively killing bear hunting and then nolier effectively killing

2297
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 1: bear hunting. Yeah um yeah yeah. And I you know,

2298
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 1: I love I want to say that I'm not like

2299
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I I enjoy baiting bears, I do, but

2300
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:34,440
Speaker 1: you know I enjoy spotting stock bear hunting just the same.

2301
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I see what a lot of people don't

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02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:38,880
Speaker 1: understand that have never baited bears? Is how difficult that

2303
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:42,400
Speaker 1: it is, truly and that may sound crazy, but if

2304
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 1: you've never done it, and difficult in terms of not

2305
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:47,200
Speaker 1: just killing the bear, but killing the bear that you're after.

2306
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 1: It's just like hunting a big white tail. It's difficult.

2307
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,720
Speaker 1: People don't understand that. Um, it's a ton of works.

2308
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 1: Understand that hunting a cat behind hounds is difficult. It

2309
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:00,040
Speaker 1: takes It takes a dedication of a lifetime to be

2310
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 1: able to do that, to have your own pack of dogs,

2311
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 1: to know the cats, to know where they crossed, to

2312
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:10,040
Speaker 1: know what you need in a hound. I mean it's

2313
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:15,080
Speaker 1: laughable in someone you know, sitting on the edge of

2314
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:17,400
Speaker 1: the edge of an apple orchard with a crossbow in

2315
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:20,560
Speaker 1: a tree shoots a deer, which I'm all for, God

2316
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:23,160
Speaker 1: bless you. But when they're like, oh, I don't think

2317
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:26,760
Speaker 1: it's okay to to spend your whole life training up

2318
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:28,560
Speaker 1: a hound dog and learn how to find a damn

2319
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 1: mountain lion, And it's like, oh, that doesn't take any

2320
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:38,960
Speaker 1: nohow man, We've said. The houndsman that we've gotten to

2321
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:43,640
Speaker 1: spend some time with, have always been the best. You know,

2322
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:47,560
Speaker 1: overall outdoorsman. You can't take it in the woods. You know,

2323
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:51,120
Speaker 1: the best woodsman that we've ever met trackers, and my god,

2324
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, they dedicate their their lives to it.

2325
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't people just still it down to

2326
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:59,000
Speaker 1: one thing that you shoot something in a tree. They

2327
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:01,400
Speaker 1: boiled the whole thing down to the part that they

2328
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:05,200
Speaker 1: care least about. And it's such a traditional method to

2329
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like the hunting culture of North America was

2330
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:12,680
Speaker 1: built not totally on the backs of hounds, but I

2331
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:16,200
Speaker 1: mean they've been doing it since the beginning at least European.

2332
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:19,960
Speaker 1: European hunting on this continent highly traditional. You know what

2333
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:23,040
Speaker 1: Prus houndsman like don't view the kill as the thing

2334
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:27,360
Speaker 1: because they don't care who does the shooting. You have

2335
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:29,839
Speaker 1: some guy that like you have some guy that patterns

2336
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:31,880
Speaker 1: some big white tail and finally cracks the coda on

2337
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 1: some big white tail. Does he turn around going you know,

2338
02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Bob w don't you go up

2339
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 1: there and get shot? He don't know, Like, dude, all

2340
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:42,960
Speaker 1: the work is getting it, catching it, like I really

2341
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 1: don't care. Like they don't care. And a lot of

2342
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,640
Speaker 1: them get to where they don't shoot. They're like, don't shoot. Ah.

2343
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:52,760
Speaker 1: They release way more, way more animals than they take,

2344
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:55,840
Speaker 1: almost all of them, almost every hounds. When I know,

2345
02:10:56,000 --> 02:11:00,080
Speaker 1: I got one last quick question for you. Uh how

2346
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 1: do you how do you how do you spot stock

2347
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:04,480
Speaker 1: bears in Arkansas? What are they doing? So we're hunt

2348
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:08,200
Speaker 1: in the fall, and uh, man, I'm looking for white

2349
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:14,520
Speaker 1: oak acorns and bear sign, bear scat and white oak acrens. Well,

2350
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, ambush hunt. So I do a lot of

2351
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:21,879
Speaker 1: what I call slip hunting, which is just slowly moving

2352
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,320
Speaker 1: through places, covering a lot of ground with a wind

2353
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:28,920
Speaker 1: in your face, moving into just covering a ton of ground,

2354
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 1: just trying to find bear. And you might kill a

2355
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 1: bear while you're doing that. You might see a bear

2356
02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:36,680
Speaker 1: before he sees you, and then you're able to put

2357
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:41,800
Speaker 1: a stock on him. Or in your rambling you find

2358
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:45,000
Speaker 1: a ridge top or a finger or a flat or

2359
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:48,120
Speaker 1: a saddle that's covered in bear scat and bear trails

2360
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:50,440
Speaker 1: and white oak acorns, and maybe there's not a bear

2361
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:52,680
Speaker 1: there right then, but you come back in the next

2362
02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 1: day and hunting like a deer. That's the that's the

2363
02:11:56,200 --> 02:11:58,160
Speaker 1: essence of it. I'd say it's it's one of the

2364
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:00,640
Speaker 1: toughest big game hunts in North America. Have you been

2365
02:12:00,720 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 1: successful doing that? Yeah, it's to me, it's the it's

2366
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:10,240
Speaker 1: the sheep hunt of the South. Yeah. Now, one of

2367
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:17,000
Speaker 1: my one of my greatest, most personal, you know, achievements

2368
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:20,240
Speaker 1: inside of hunting was I killed a bear in Arkansas

2369
02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:24,560
Speaker 1: with my bow spotting stock, actually killed it over water.

2370
02:12:25,480 --> 02:12:28,320
Speaker 1: And uh, in the next day, I went into Oklahoma

2371
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:30,880
Speaker 1: and did the same thing, killed the bear of the

2372
02:12:30,920 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 1: tread bow, just stalking. So two days. Yeah, and it

2373
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:37,960
Speaker 1: was because I just I wouldn't even plan it on hunting.

2374
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,520
Speaker 1: It's a whole another story. But I had gone into Scout,

2375
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:43,680
Speaker 1: made a big spin, found a ton of bear sign

2376
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:46,080
Speaker 1: Luckily I had my bow. I mean, I wasn't even

2377
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 1: gonna bring my bow. And uh, it's all on video.

2378
02:12:49,120 --> 02:12:51,600
Speaker 1: It's a YouTube video that YouTube shut down and probably

2379
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 1: have it. It's got like six thousand views right now,

2380
02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:59,280
Speaker 1: but they shut it down because of graphic content. Sad story.

2381
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:03,760
Speaker 1: The but so I found all the acrons that year

2382
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 1: was high. So in in our mountains, like mass crop

2383
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:10,360
Speaker 1: varies based upon things that happened in the spring, you know,

2384
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 1: like freezes, different things, so that year, all the acrons

2385
02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:16,320
Speaker 1: were up high. I didn't know that. I just was

2386
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:18,640
Speaker 1: going in to scout this area, found a ton of

2387
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:23,080
Speaker 1: bears and uh, kill the bear, packed it out. I

2388
02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:25,640
Speaker 1: had an Oklahoma bear tag. So the next day I

2389
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:29,560
Speaker 1: went into Oklahoma, which was just the exact same terrain

2390
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:33,560
Speaker 1: the Washingtons run into Oklahoma and the Ozarks. And I

2391
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:35,800
Speaker 1: was like, well, if they're high in Arkansas, they'll be

2392
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,480
Speaker 1: high in Oklahoma. And man, I went up there and

2393
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:41,400
Speaker 1: killed another bear spotting stock on the ground. The next

2394
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 1: morning by ten o'clock. Was that a place you had

2395
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:46,560
Speaker 1: been in before? Not in Oklahoma? The Arkansas place? Was

2396
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:50,520
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma place? Was? I got on what's what's graphic about?

2397
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:53,640
Speaker 1: What's more graphic about that video? Nothing? The human that

2398
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:57,200
Speaker 1: decided it was graphic from YouTube that flagged it. You

2399
02:13:57,240 --> 02:13:59,240
Speaker 1: know what it could be as a volume of a

2400
02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:04,720
Speaker 1: volume of planes? Yeah, one hundred hours a minute. Man,

2401
02:14:05,160 --> 02:14:08,440
Speaker 1: there's a ton of artificial intelligence using that stuff. Yeah, yeah,

2402
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:12,080
Speaker 1: you're right. They shut it down though. It was getting

2403
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:15,760
Speaker 1: fifty thou views a day, and they shut it down,

2404
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:19,200
Speaker 1: and and and since that time, it's gotten like maybe

2405
02:14:19,640 --> 02:14:24,440
Speaker 1: fifty views in two years. Yeah, I've found they for

2406
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:27,280
Speaker 1: whatever reason they cherry pick they shut down one. If

2407
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:29,040
Speaker 1: you want, I don't know if you want to give it,

2408
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:30,440
Speaker 1: if you want to pull, We'll put it on our

2409
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:32,480
Speaker 1: website if you want, if people want to come check

2410
02:14:32,520 --> 02:14:37,000
Speaker 1: it out. I mean you're saying, like my YouTube video

2411
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:41,640
Speaker 1: or like content. No, we could just like put the video,

2412
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,760
Speaker 1: could put it. I mean that doesn't go to YouTube

2413
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:47,840
Speaker 1: if they shut it down, right, Oh, I see, just

2414
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:54,040
Speaker 1: like put it on your website. Yeah, absolutely would be awesome. Man,

2415
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:57,000
Speaker 1: that's see that video to me is the is the

2416
02:14:57,080 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 1: epitome of of hunting. I mean, the bears were not

2417
02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:03,200
Speaker 1: and this again goes back to it's not selective to

2418
02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:05,160
Speaker 1: be spotting stocking. I mean both of these bears were.

2419
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 1: They were not large bears. They were just average bears.

2420
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:11,320
Speaker 1: But man, you'd hear me say it if I if

2421
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:13,040
Speaker 1: you watch the video, I shoot this bear out of

2422
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:15,840
Speaker 1: the water. Bear standing in the water, eight yards on

2423
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:21,400
Speaker 1: the ground, just tendering this bear, And I say, I

2424
02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:24,480
Speaker 1: would rather kill that bear than a Kodiak brown bear.

2425
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:27,440
Speaker 1: That bear. I did it on my turf. And and

2426
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:31,000
Speaker 1: the thing is is that just nobody's doing that. Yeah,

2427
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:33,320
Speaker 1: how many likes and dislikes they have I don't even know.

2428
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:35,920
Speaker 1: No serious, if you want to put it out just

2429
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:37,880
Speaker 1: the listeners can go see the video, we could like

2430
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,040
Speaker 1: host it on it. You're saying it's back on YouTube.

2431
02:15:40,080 --> 02:15:43,960
Speaker 1: Now it is on YouTube. It's on YouTube, but you

2432
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:46,560
Speaker 1: have to be eighteen years old or older to watch it.

2433
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:48,840
Speaker 1: And what happens when YouTube flags one of your videos

2434
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 1: as they quit promoting it, so you know the algorithms

2435
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:55,440
Speaker 1: it was getting views, so now they don't prompt anyone.

2436
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:57,760
Speaker 1: If you like this, you'll okay, and like, yeah, we

2437
02:15:57,880 --> 02:15:59,520
Speaker 1: just have the link up that like if if you're

2438
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:03,160
Speaker 1: but if someone under eighteen or a someone tried to

2439
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:05,320
Speaker 1: watch the video and they weren't logged in the YouTube,

2440
02:16:05,320 --> 02:16:08,560
Speaker 1: they couldn't watch it, got it because the YouTube has

2441
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:10,880
Speaker 1: to know, oh this person's over eighteen, so you actually

2442
02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:13,240
Speaker 1: have to have an account, like if you logged on

2443
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 1: and tried to watch it right now? Uh? Are things

2444
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 1: heating up? First? Light? Heating up is the time of

2445
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:22,520
Speaker 1: year when people start buying a bunch of stuff. It's crazy.

2446
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:25,680
Speaker 1: It just like when fourth of July, I think people

2447
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:28,360
Speaker 1: are like to shoot the fireworks off. Then like what's next?

2448
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:30,960
Speaker 1: The like, oh, ELX season's almost here, It's the same

2449
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:32,879
Speaker 1: thing with archery shops. I talked to my friend John,

2450
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:35,160
Speaker 1: who runs archery shop in Eastern Oregon's like, man, it

2451
02:16:35,320 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 1: is nuts in here right now, all the way until,

2452
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:41,000
Speaker 1: like August said, people will come in as we speak.

2453
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:46,400
Speaker 1: Our guy, Joe Ferrigno is Joe Farron attles cutting my

2454
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:48,760
Speaker 1: arrows down right now. Man, I just got a couple

2455
02:16:48,760 --> 02:16:51,560
Speaker 1: of built myself. I'm excited. But yeah, things are heating up,

2456
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:54,440
Speaker 1: Like people are coming coming, sniffing around looking at gear. Yeah. Yeah,

2457
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 1: we have more people swinging by the office. Is this

2458
02:16:56,560 --> 02:17:01,000
Speaker 1: the show room, no, sir, Yeah yeah, oh yeah. They

2459
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:03,160
Speaker 1: want to come in to buy stuff. Yeah, we send

2460
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,320
Speaker 1: them to the interwebs. Though, do you guys sell, um,

2461
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:09,560
Speaker 1: you guys sell a lot more like mountain stuff before

2462
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:11,280
Speaker 1: you start selling the white tail stuff, Like, do white

2463
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:12,880
Speaker 1: tail dudes wait a little bit longer? I don't know,

2464
02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think the most guys that are getting

2465
02:17:14,879 --> 02:17:16,520
Speaker 1: geared up right now are kind of getting geared up

2466
02:17:16,560 --> 02:17:19,360
Speaker 1: four in November already, they're starting to starting to get ready.

2467
02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:22,240
Speaker 1: But um, I think the majority of the purchases right

2468
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:24,320
Speaker 1: now are from our two thousand nineteen line that just

2469
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of get came out, So most of that stuff

2470
02:17:27,560 --> 02:17:30,760
Speaker 1: has hit the website as of Yeah, it's about a

2471
02:17:30,760 --> 02:17:33,200
Speaker 1: week and a half ago. What's the hottest selling item, Man,

2472
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:35,280
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Probably brooks Down sweater. That's a

2473
02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 1: great one this year. Um, the Sawbucks that thing along.

2474
02:17:38,840 --> 02:17:41,720
Speaker 1: You've tried those sawbucks hunt? Yeah, but tell you what,

2475
02:17:43,360 --> 02:17:46,680
Speaker 1: I was wearing them hunting down in Old Mexico and

2476
02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:51,800
Speaker 1: I was greasing through that like man, everybody else's like, yeah,

2477
02:17:52,720 --> 02:17:54,800
Speaker 1: cat Colm, me squite all that stuff. I got a

2478
02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:56,440
Speaker 1: feeling that's gonna be I got a feeling like after

2479
02:17:56,520 --> 02:17:58,520
Speaker 1: we went down we go down there. We've been on

2480
02:17:58,560 --> 02:18:00,680
Speaker 1: it quite a few times. Go down there January hunt

2481
02:18:00,680 --> 02:18:03,880
Speaker 1: COO's dere in the desert, and um, I got a

2482
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:06,440
Speaker 1: feeling that there's gonna be a lot more those pants

2483
02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:10,600
Speaker 1: on the ground come this January than we're last. Dude,

2484
02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:12,760
Speaker 1: my legs are the only ones not ripped up. Yeah. There,

2485
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:14,520
Speaker 1: that's an incredible pair of pants. The best part is

2486
02:18:14,520 --> 02:18:16,240
Speaker 1: it's not like a thick canvas pant where you can

2487
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:18,560
Speaker 1: actually eat their breathable for the hotwell, I lived it

2488
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:21,080
Speaker 1: every morning. I just pulled all the Southern listeners. Guys

2489
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:24,200
Speaker 1: are talking about briar bridges. Yeah about this today, that's awesome.

2490
02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:28,119
Speaker 1: Should have called him that briar bridges, briar pants brush pants.

2491
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:30,760
Speaker 1: But no, things are things are getting pretty heated up

2492
02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:33,640
Speaker 1: at first. People are getting excited. Yeah, yeah, we're coming

2493
02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:36,440
Speaker 1: up on it. Antelope season starts in August. I think

2494
02:18:36,600 --> 02:18:40,960
Speaker 1: you guys all hunt animal withoutree equipment? Yeah you guys, Yeah,

2495
02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:44,080
Speaker 1: guys over here, that's right. It should be fun. I've

2496
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:47,520
Speaker 1: actually never killed aniop with the bow. So so who's

2497
02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:50,560
Speaker 1: buy our the sawbuck pants? Is it? Like? Um, a

2498
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of bird hunters are big game. I mean they're

2499
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:56,160
Speaker 1: built for for for the bird hunter, chucker hunters and

2500
02:18:56,320 --> 02:18:59,480
Speaker 1: and folks like that. But um, actually a lot of

2501
02:18:59,480 --> 02:19:01,160
Speaker 1: folks in tech to start buying him. I was wearing

2502
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:03,440
Speaker 1: them squirrel hunting Missouri. Sweet. It's like it's sick of

2503
02:19:03,480 --> 02:19:06,800
Speaker 1: getting scratched up by the brush. Yeah. Ye, eliminates the

2504
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:08,520
Speaker 1: need for a gator on the bottom when it's hot.

2505
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:10,520
Speaker 1: I was crawling out of the river the air day

2506
02:19:10,640 --> 02:19:12,760
Speaker 1: with U, and I didn't want my little boy to

2507
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:15,720
Speaker 1: climb through the rolls, bushes and thistles, so I picked

2508
02:19:15,800 --> 02:19:17,720
Speaker 1: him up over my shoulder and climbed up through there.

2509
02:19:18,680 --> 02:19:21,920
Speaker 1: Gash my legs all up. I had my shorty pants

2510
02:19:21,959 --> 02:19:25,920
Speaker 1: on because we're coming out of crayfishing. Oh nice, Yeah,

2511
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:30,720
Speaker 1: you need to make those shorts just have a big

2512
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:34,560
Speaker 1: gap in the thigh right there. All right? Man? Yeah,

2513
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:36,879
Speaker 1: any what do you got anything final thoughts? I do, Man,

2514
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:39,480
Speaker 1: we net We need to finish up on the barrel oil.

2515
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:44,880
Speaker 1: Why does it say okay barrel oil. It's only a right,

2516
02:19:44,959 --> 02:19:48,360
Speaker 1: it's only so good. That's okay. Well that's uh, that

2517
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:52,360
Speaker 1: isn't oklaholm for Oklahoma. Yeah, so I brought I brought

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02:19:52,400 --> 02:19:55,720
Speaker 1: you guys some barrelil, Johnnie and Steve, and this is

2519
02:19:55,879 --> 02:19:59,840
Speaker 1: this is Oklahoma barrel oil. Well okay, so I did

2520
02:19:59,879 --> 02:20:03,280
Speaker 1: it test on how to render fat, whether there was

2521
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,040
Speaker 1: any difference in rendering it slow or rendering it slow

2522
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:10,320
Speaker 1: and low? This is this is not viscous, not at all.

2523
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,760
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my question to you after I

2524
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:16,880
Speaker 1: tell you a few things about this. Um. So, I

2525
02:20:16,920 --> 02:20:19,840
Speaker 1: brought you this barre oil to use it your pleasure.

2526
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:26,000
Speaker 1: But this is a testament to black bear conservation because

2527
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:29,280
Speaker 1: black bears were brought into Arkansas. It's considered the most

2528
02:20:29,320 --> 02:20:32,440
Speaker 1: successful reintroduction to large carnivores in the world's reintroduction of

2529
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:37,600
Speaker 1: bears into Arkansas. And these Oklahoma bears are bears that

2530
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,840
Speaker 1: have infiltrated into Oklahoma from Arkansas and now have a

2531
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:44,400
Speaker 1: huntable population and are thriving. That was a fifty pound

2532
02:20:44,440 --> 02:20:49,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma black bear. Yes, sir, yes, sir, Oklahoma head on

2533
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,640
Speaker 1: him to bet you well, I'm one of the few

2534
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:56,080
Speaker 1: people on the planet besides they, of course holding a

2535
02:20:56,680 --> 02:21:00,160
Speaker 1: bottle of Oklahoma barre oil right now. Well, hey, not

2536
02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:03,000
Speaker 1: only do you get that, but I'm gonna give you this,

2537
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:10,480
Speaker 1: uh bear grease weather chart that you can use. It's

2538
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:12,880
Speaker 1: in a magazine. What magazine is that? Okay? Yeah? This

2539
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:16,120
Speaker 1: this is Bear Hunting magazine. And we wrote an article

2540
02:21:16,360 --> 02:21:18,320
Speaker 1: this like are we published an article we didn't write

2541
02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:21,200
Speaker 1: it about an old guy in New Mexico named Gordon Websad.

2542
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:26,959
Speaker 1: He died in Gordon Websitt was nationally known for sixty

2543
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:34,640
Speaker 1: years of watching and forecasting weather based upon bar oil forecasting.

2544
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:40,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely he could forecast weather with a high degree of success,

2545
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:44,160
Speaker 1: says this article. And this is his personal chart. And

2546
02:21:44,280 --> 02:21:48,640
Speaker 1: so this this chart shows, I mean, you know, one

2547
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:51,520
Speaker 1: if the barrel oil looks like that, then you go

2548
02:21:51,800 --> 02:21:56,000
Speaker 1: heavy and bottom no changes for several hours. Clear. Number two,

2549
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:59,240
Speaker 1: there's a slight bulge in so barre oil for people

2550
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:01,760
Speaker 1: who wouldn't know it watching the bear matric pressure. Ye,

2551
02:22:02,280 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 1: well he you you got to read this article earthquakes

2552
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:13,760
Speaker 1: with this, I mean does it? I mean I like it.

2553
02:22:14,280 --> 02:22:16,800
Speaker 1: I believe that he believed it right, But it doesn't

2554
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:20,160
Speaker 1: bother you that I'm not buying it. I'm with you, okay,

2555
02:22:20,520 --> 02:22:25,359
Speaker 1: But it's just it's thrilled. I'll yeah, it's just eccentric.

2556
02:22:25,480 --> 02:22:28,800
Speaker 1: It's just cool. I love stuff with bear grace. It's

2557
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:30,760
Speaker 1: a cool. It's a cool article about that old guy

2558
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:34,200
Speaker 1: Gordon whims that my fridge is gonna set up like

2559
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:37,760
Speaker 1: a rock. Yeah. Well my question is, how do you

2560
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:41,280
Speaker 1: render fat? That's clear because I have rendered bear fat, Steve,

2561
02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:45,240
Speaker 1: that was totally clear. Well, once it gets warm, it's clear. Wow.

2562
02:22:46,840 --> 02:22:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's like piss colored. Yeah, but somebody told

2563
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:53,240
Speaker 1: me that has to do with what the bear eight

2564
02:22:53,360 --> 02:22:57,280
Speaker 1: and actually like the the chemical makeup and well yeah,

2565
02:22:57,320 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, like when you get like, uh, you know

2566
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:02,080
Speaker 1: sometimes just like you know, I've seen it on on

2567
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:04,600
Speaker 1: when I killed a buffalo that was in a certain

2568
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:07,720
Speaker 1: area there's a lot of caroteen and he had orange

2569
02:23:07,879 --> 02:23:12,960
Speaker 1: like orange, like a damn orange orange fat. But uh,

2570
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:15,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise me that the I know. I know

2571
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:19,400
Speaker 1: because I have people with contested but it's true feeding

2572
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:21,640
Speaker 1: on when they're feeding on blueberries, the fat takes on

2573
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:26,120
Speaker 1: a tint from that coloration. Well, just my question is,

2574
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,280
Speaker 1: and what I was trying to decide by doing different

2575
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:30,840
Speaker 1: temperatures is I have rendered it before when it was

2576
02:23:30,920 --> 02:23:33,000
Speaker 1: almost clear all the time, like if you can put

2577
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:34,920
Speaker 1: in refrigerator, it would have solidified up, but it looked

2578
02:23:34,959 --> 02:23:38,760
Speaker 1: like olive oil. Yeah, well even look at put it

2579
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:41,040
Speaker 1: in your fridge, it was clear. Yeah, even after that,

2580
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that was possible. Right, not long ago.

2581
02:23:45,080 --> 02:23:49,880
Speaker 1: There's a whale fat Mark Tuck skin and the fat

2582
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that's Mark Tuck or not. I think

2583
02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:53,400
Speaker 1: part of the skin. I don't know. Either way, we're

2584
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:58,240
Speaker 1: eating some whale fat. That was interesting, pretty good. Uh,

2585
02:24:00,120 --> 02:24:02,959
Speaker 1: good looking magazine, So you're good. Bear tell us again,

2586
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:07,720
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting, Yeah, Bear Hunting magazine. Yeah, we've been in

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02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:10,320
Speaker 1: print for twenty years. I've had the business the last

2588
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 1: six years. But we're making a yep, that's us print

2589
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:20,600
Speaker 1: magazine six times a year. Read all about bear grease. Yeah,

2590
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:23,960
Speaker 1: the editor's note and this one is titled guard the Gate.

2591
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:27,840
Speaker 1: That would be a good one. Uh, you got any

2592
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:32,120
Speaker 1: concluding thoughts? Kevin for Antelope season comes. Get those Guidelight pants.

2593
02:24:32,320 --> 02:24:35,320
Speaker 1: They're sweet. That was a good one coming out. Are

2594
02:24:35,400 --> 02:24:37,680
Speaker 1: there out right now on the website. It's gonna be hot.

2595
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:41,160
Speaker 1: And man, when you get those, get yourself a Marino

2596
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:43,960
Speaker 1: T shirt. What's the light one called the Wicks, the

2597
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:47,320
Speaker 1: New Wicks. Yeah, I've keep mean to do it. I'm

2598
02:24:47,360 --> 02:24:49,440
Speaker 1: gonna do it next time I climb up Baldy. We've

2599
02:24:49,480 --> 02:24:51,600
Speaker 1: been going up Baldly every Thursday, and I wear my

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02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:54,600
Speaker 1: Wicks T shirt and everybody else is wearing like a

2601
02:24:54,680 --> 02:24:57,640
Speaker 1: T shirt plus another layer. And I started off just

2602
02:24:58,160 --> 02:25:01,000
Speaker 1: the hair chili, which is always you should start a mountain.

2603
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:07,959
Speaker 1: But that T shirt makes it through the whole experience.

2604
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:10,080
Speaker 1: Starting at fifty degrees or so, and by the time

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02:25:10,120 --> 02:25:13,080
Speaker 1: we get down it's probably well into seventy and we're

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02:25:13,160 --> 02:25:16,160
Speaker 1: running and it's hot, and that T shirt just it

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02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:20,040
Speaker 1: spans that whole you know, variants and temperatures and you

2608
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:23,640
Speaker 1: get up top on Baldi and the winds howling, even sweating,

2609
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:25,560
Speaker 1: and it's trying to blow through you, but it dries

2610
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:28,160
Speaker 1: out and it still keeps you warm. I feel like

2611
02:25:28,200 --> 02:25:30,680
Speaker 1: everybody should have that is their basic as their first

2612
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, piece on their skin. Thank you, My concluder

2613
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:39,160
Speaker 1: is I think now that these these guys pointed out

2614
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:40,760
Speaker 1: a little problem. I think you ought to work up

2615
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:43,880
Speaker 1: a price on that hog. I'll see what I can

2616
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:49,080
Speaker 1: do by eight. So I'm gonna roll back over there

2617
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:51,600
Speaker 1: and i'll drop it off. It's gonna get it cutting wrapped,

2618
02:25:51,800 --> 02:25:55,760
Speaker 1: cutting wrapped like a pro. I'm gonna be generous with it. Yeah,

2619
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm keeping all the fat for myself. Yeah, yeah, that's

2620
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:02,800
Speaker 1: a good, good plan. Well, I'll give Yanni a little fat. Yeah,

2621
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:06,360
Speaker 1: the whole jar right now? If I just buy my half,

2622
02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:09,520
Speaker 1: can we just split it and share it? Oh? Has

2623
02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:13,920
Speaker 1: he's straight up right now. I'll shake on it. I

2624
02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:17,720
Speaker 1: get the left half, we'll bulk up that left side

2625
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:21,240
Speaker 1: for it. Alright, Clay, you got your final thoughts. Man,

2626
02:26:21,320 --> 02:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I've I've said enough. I appreciate you having me on truly.

2627
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:27,959
Speaker 1: Do you do a good job? Thank you? Yeah, thanks,

2628
02:26:28,040 --> 02:26:31,320
Speaker 1: thanks for opening. It's been great. This is really sweet.

2629
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:35,520
Speaker 1: Go give his video films up. Yeah. Man, maybe maybe

2630
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:38,080
Speaker 1: if everybody works really hard, we could tip it back

2631
02:26:38,120 --> 02:26:41,119
Speaker 1: over the other direction. Would help. Great. What's it called?

2632
02:26:41,720 --> 02:26:44,080
Speaker 1: I think the title I mean they need to check

2633
02:26:44,120 --> 02:26:48,640
Speaker 1: out the like Clay new Comb bear hunt. Well, I

2634
02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:52,560
Speaker 1: think it's called bear bumps into traditional Archer's arrow, like

2635
02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:55,600
Speaker 1: we we tried to describe in the title. But if

2636
02:26:55,640 --> 02:26:57,760
Speaker 1: you just go to the Bear Honting Magazine YouTube channel

2637
02:26:58,360 --> 02:27:00,880
Speaker 1: and hit popular, like there's a tab up there that's

2638
02:27:00,920 --> 02:27:03,240
Speaker 1: some of the most popular videos, you'll see three or

2639
02:27:03,240 --> 02:27:06,240
Speaker 1: four come up and it'll it'll be there. Yeah, but

2640
02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm more proud of the squirrel hunt on mule videos

2641
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:10,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that than that. That's a good one.

2642
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Everybody should watch that one too. Steve and I both

2643
02:27:13,240 --> 02:27:17,240
Speaker 1: enjoyed that one. All right, man, thanks for coming on. Hey,

2644
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:19,680
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thank you appreciate it.