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Speaker 2: In this episode, Market Moves. The market is.
Speaker 1: Moving market all over the place.
Speaker 3: It's moving off the Succession season four episode three, which
Speaker 3: we will be talking about Airlock.
Speaker 2: It's Yellow Jacket season two episode three. Things also going
Speaker 2: very badly there, yes, only getting hurt, only getting.
Speaker 3: Worse and in the nedout victim it is us on
Speaker 3: the two thousand and five film Sky High.
Speaker 4: Coming up, Market Moves, Here comes the bride Logan Roy
Speaker 4: has died, his heart took a shit in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: In the sky.
Speaker 4: Who will succeed to Logans thrown?
Speaker 1: The board will have to choose. Welcome to Market, Buket.
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Speaker 1: on with the Roy Star Gojo deal. And here's the latest.
Speaker 1: It's Connor and Will's wedding day. Roman Roy feels a
Speaker 1: call from his father Logan. Roman asks Logan, Dad, are
Speaker 1: you coming to your son Connor's wedding? And it's a
Speaker 1: definite maybe. It's a hard maybe because Logan has to
Speaker 1: go to Sweden where Lucas Mattson awaits. Lucas getting cold
Speaker 1: feet might pull out of the Gojo deal, and so
Speaker 1: Logan has to go there along with Carrie and Carl
Speaker 1: and Tom and Frank to pour some honey and Lucas's
Speaker 1: ear keep that Gojo deal alive. But he wants Roman
Speaker 1: to do one important thing for him to prove his loyalty.
Speaker 1: He gotta fire Jerry, who you know. Listen, I know
Speaker 1: Son that you've had a close relationship with Jerry. That's
Speaker 1: why I should come from you, and you should do
Speaker 1: it as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: This is a personal attack on Roman by Logan.
Speaker 3: Absolutely this is only done to fuck with him, like, absolutely,
Speaker 3: no question.
Speaker 1: As Logan boards the Fateful plane, we also learned that
Speaker 1: he intends to fire Sid. He wants Sid out. He
Speaker 1: tells that to Tom. This clears the way for Tom's
Speaker 1: ascendency to the time of atn Meanwhile, on the wedding barge,
Speaker 1: the kids, Greg, Ken, Roman, Shiv, plus Jerry and of
Speaker 1: course the bride and groom are all in attendance. The
Speaker 1: kids are talking amongst themselves about the Gojo deal. Roman
Speaker 1: gets ready to uh to, you know, fire Jerry, which
Speaker 1: he does even though he kind of doesn't want to.
Speaker 1: He's said, Jerry is pissed. That brings us to our
Speaker 1: first question of today. Buy or sell Jerry and Sid
Speaker 1: who stays? Who goes? Do they both stay? Do they
Speaker 1: both go? Does one stay in one go? What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen with Jerry and Sid?
Speaker 3: Bye Bye bye Jerry. Jerry is in line to succeed.
Speaker 3: Jerry is on top. This is gonna happen. I believe
Speaker 3: that Logan was fucking with Roman, but he did want
Speaker 3: Jerry out.
Speaker 2: But by the end of this episode.
Speaker 3: What Logan wants is irrelevant, absolutely fucking irrelevant. So I
Speaker 3: say Sid, I think Tom is a brutal person and
Speaker 3: throat and will do what he will, so he will
Speaker 3: spread that news about Sid as much as he can.
Speaker 3: Roman is the only one and Kerry but also irrelevant. Sorry,
Speaker 3: my dear, but It's true. Roman is really the only
Speaker 3: one that knows about the Jerry situation. So I believe
Speaker 3: Jerry is staying, and I believe Jerry could become the
Speaker 3: most powerful person in the com.
Speaker 1: Carolina also knew, but kind of Carolina will just we're
Speaker 1: whichever way the wind blows, Carolina will go that way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's not like Tom.
Speaker 3: She's not going to try and use that information to
Speaker 3: usurp anyone. Tom will use the information about Sid to
Speaker 3: help his own ascendancy, whereas if Jerry's in power, no
Speaker 3: one's gonna argue.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, you mentioned Jerry in power, and it was
Speaker 1: suggested in previous episodes of Succession that should Logan step
Speaker 1: aside or whatever, the interim CEO would likely be Jerry
Speaker 1: until such time as the board could select someone more permanent.
Speaker 1: So it really does feel as if Jerry's as general
Speaker 1: counsel is kind of going to be running stuff until
Speaker 1: the board decides on which of the kids is more
Speaker 1: amenable to And I agree with you. It feels like Sid.
Speaker 1: There are just more knives out for Sid, I think,
Speaker 1: and Sid I don't know that she has necessarily a
Speaker 1: protector in this situation. A lot of people carry number
Speaker 1: one amongst them find themselves without a chair in this
Speaker 1: game of musical chairs. Now that Logan has gone, but
Speaker 1: I agree with you by Jerry sell Sid Next, Connor
Speaker 1: is very anxious about the wedding cake, and this has
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that Victoria's sponge cake was
Speaker 1: the cake that Logan told him to eat after he
Speaker 1: sent Connor's mother to a mental health facility aka, in
Speaker 1: Roman's words, the funny farm.
Speaker 2: I need to know why was this not on the
Speaker 2: wedding clans.
Speaker 3: Why did he not mention no Victoria sponge cake, no
Speaker 3: Victoria's lunch.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is traumatic.
Speaker 3: His mom was sectioned so that Logan could go on
Speaker 3: his merry way Henry the Eighth style, and he.
Speaker 2: Gave his son Victoria's spongecake.
Speaker 3: Here he is on the happiest day of his life,
Speaker 3: marrying Paul Willa, and there's.
Speaker 2: A Victoria spongecake. This is terrible. I actually am on
Speaker 2: Connor's side.
Speaker 3: Yeahard the wedding clana, but they should have told the wedding.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievably just an unbelievably dark detail. Shiv gets
Speaker 1: a couple of calls from Tom which we think nothing
Speaker 1: of two calls, she sends her both to voicemail. That's
Speaker 1: unfortunate because had she picked up there, she would have
Speaker 1: understood that Logan was on his journey to the big
Speaker 1: shitter in the sky, attended to the rhythmic drumming of
Speaker 1: chest compressions done by the flight attendant. And as it
Speaker 1: turns out, Roman takes the call from Tom. Tom I
Speaker 1: think generously puts his cell phone near Logan's cold dead
Speaker 1: ear and lets Roman and Ken say goodbye to their dad. Shiv,
Speaker 1: who had gone off to deal with Connor, eventually gets
Speaker 1: her turn as well. Notable fact about the kind of
Speaker 1: type of person that Logan roy was that each of
Speaker 1: his children in turn, when they get their their moment
Speaker 1: next to their their dad's quickly icyeing ear is after
Speaker 1: saying you know we love you, they all say some
Speaker 1: version of I can't forgive you for all the fame
Speaker 1: you were a terrible po On his deathbed, They're all like,
Speaker 1: I care forgive you. So that brings us to our
Speaker 1: next prompt. Who are you betting on? Who is gonna
Speaker 1: be the next CEO of wastear Roco? Who do you got?
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be Ken? Is it gonna be Roman?
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be Shiv? Is it gonna be Tom?
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be Greg? Is it gonna be Hugo?
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be is gonna be Frank? You know.
Speaker 2: You have yet to mention the one person that I
Speaker 2: oldly think the board is gonna back.
Speaker 1: Tell me.
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna back Connor because they can just
Speaker 3: tell him to do whatever.
Speaker 2: They would be amazing, how funny would that be.
Speaker 3: Connor hates Logan, he knows that he is unwanted. But
Speaker 3: if you put Kendall, Shiv or Roman in that board seat,
Speaker 3: they are going to be trying to do hostile takeovers.
Speaker 3: They have the attention span of five year olds. By
Speaker 3: the way, they do not know how to make a deal.
Speaker 3: Even in this episode we see Shift say one thing
Speaker 3: to the press, then immediately go back on it because
Speaker 3: she needs to state her claim on what's going on.
Speaker 2: I think there's a verse version.
Speaker 3: I think Jerry will likely get power soon because they
Speaker 3: need an interim CEO, and the kids actually have backed
Speaker 3: Jerry in the past. Like I don't think there would
Speaker 3: be an issue there, But I think there's a terrible
Speaker 3: version of this.
Speaker 2: I thought that without these events which I did not
Speaker 2: see coming.
Speaker 3: I must say congratulations to Brian Cox for escaping this
Speaker 3: set and escaping Jeremy Strong.
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you, Brian. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 3: I'm happy Logan is dead because he's a terrible person.
Speaker 3: I thought there was a version where we would see
Speaker 3: Logan use ATM to essentially get Connor into a very
Speaker 3: strong political position, and I thought that would be a
Speaker 3: very good, bleak kind of reality and the analogous to
Speaker 3: the Fox News and the way the Murdocks use Fox News.
Speaker 3: Without that in plate, I actually think we could see
Speaker 3: Connor get the board backing to be the CEO because
Speaker 3: they see him as a puppet.
Speaker 2: Now they see him as someone with no vested interest.
Speaker 1: Would he have to forego his presidential campaign his dreams
Speaker 1: of the highest office in the Republic. Would he not
Speaker 1: have to suspend his campaign until further notice? Should he
Speaker 1: decide take up the top spot at waste ar Royco.
Speaker 3: I will say that post this wedding, which he was
Speaker 3: doing to keep his one percent, you know there, the
Speaker 3: one vaguely human thing that happens this episode is the
Speaker 3: choice to go on with the wedding and only like
Speaker 3: five people are there, and Logan's death absolutely out shines
Speaker 3: and once again takes all the emphasis off Connor and
Speaker 3: Connor's life and Connor's feelings. And I wonder if that
Speaker 3: one percent is not going to even be there after this,
Speaker 3: because being a roy means nothing without Logan, and also
Speaker 3: the attention that he was hoping to grab with this
Speaker 3: ridiculous you know, statue of Liberty Barge wedding is to
Speaker 3: be seen because Logan takes the stage, so he would
Speaker 3: have to morally and ethically and legally drop out. But
Speaker 3: I wonder if he would already be in that position
Speaker 3: and the board is offered him as a way of saying, well,
Speaker 3: you're not going to be president, but can you imagine
Speaker 3: if Shiv and moment and.
Speaker 1: To him, well, it is quite clear that with this,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Logan's quickly putrefying corpse, hour of
Speaker 1: the way, Uh, what we're going to see towards you know,
Speaker 1: in this the rest of this final season is going
Speaker 1: to be the interne scene fight for the top spot
Speaker 1: at Royko. We're going to see the kids torn apart,
Speaker 1: We're gonna see Sandy.
Speaker 2: The first season promise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it. This is now the true successions
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: He actually dies. It's so smart. Also, can I just
Speaker 2: ask you before him?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: It's important question.
Speaker 3: Was Logan's death in the toilet? Was this like a
Speaker 3: mile high situation?
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you asked this. I do have this
Speaker 1: on my checklist. I think that this is one implied.
Speaker 1: I think that there's it's implied a little bit the
Speaker 1: way Carrie comes into, you know, into the room where
Speaker 1: Frank and Carl and Caroline are are starting to kind
Speaker 1: of flesh out what the response is going to be, right,
Speaker 1: she comes in with just this like like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you guys, it was fucking crazy, what you know? Like
Speaker 1: that scene's this grins more listen, who knows. We all
Speaker 1: respond to stress and death in different ways. But it
Speaker 1: seemed as if she was taking it in a way
Speaker 1: that she was very very shaken me and perhaps there
Speaker 1: and I will say that it would not surprise me
Speaker 1: at all if as part of this kind of knives
Speaker 1: out fight that is coming, that that narrative isn't put
Speaker 1: out there by Shiv or one of the kids that oh,
Speaker 1: how do you go? He went? He was with Kerry
Speaker 1: in the in the mathroom. That's I went or one
Speaker 1: of one of his enemies. I'm sure that that will
Speaker 1: I think that that will be said. I will say, or.
Speaker 2: Even one of the board just to carry out.
Speaker 1: You don't need to cut her out. She's got nothing novant.
Speaker 1: She is a dead guy's former assistant. That's it. I
Speaker 1: will say my pick for CEO, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the the the Jerry Roman duo. This is Roman had
Speaker 1: pitched this to Jerry. I love that in past seasons
Speaker 1: to run it as Batman and Robin. Jerry is the
Speaker 1: front person. Roman is the kind of Tarzan swinging through
Speaker 1: the trees. And I think that we will end up
Speaker 1: back at that.
Speaker 3: I think that's my that's my favorite pick if it
Speaker 3: was just about a choice.
Speaker 1: Back to our sorry. Word is starting to trickle out
Speaker 1: now that the Big Man has died, and it starts
Speaker 1: with Connor. Connor gets it is he takes He takes
Speaker 1: it extremely stoically. I mean he takes it like he
Speaker 1: and he just he just eats the punch, although he
Speaker 1: eventually gets more emotional. H And now people are starting
Speaker 1: to think about the effect of this news on the market.
Speaker 1: On the plane, Caroline and Frank and Carl are putting
Speaker 1: together their action plan. People need to be notified, mattson
Speaker 1: the board, et cetera. Wasttar needs a message to kind
Speaker 1: of soothe the market. Considering that Logan was, you know,
Speaker 1: seen as you know, basically the driving force of Waytar
Speaker 1: Roy car So what is the market's response gonna be
Speaker 1: now that he's gone. They make it very clear to
Speaker 1: a very frazzled Carrie that her skills i e. Fucking
Speaker 1: Logan Roy potentially in the bathroom in his final moments,
Speaker 1: are no longer needed. We don't need those kind of
Speaker 1: skills anymore. On the boat, Tom tells Greg the news
Speaker 1: and then tells him, Hey, stick with Sid delete certain
Speaker 1: files on my computer. I'd love to know what that's about.
Speaker 1: I gotta know what that's a time?
Speaker 2: Why does also like why does he trust Greg? Who
Speaker 2: I sweat to God almost immediately leaks this like very
Speaker 2: important news, and that's kind of why he told him.
Speaker 3: He says, Greg, people need to know I was that
Speaker 3: Logan And then yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And then he makes sure to tell Greg that get
Speaker 1: ready to start spreading the news that Logan wanted Sid
Speaker 1: out in his final moments. The kids, meanwhile on the
Speaker 1: boat are debating the wisdom of even offering a statement
Speaker 1: right now, and they wonder whether they should buy time
Speaker 1: by maybe having the plane with Logan's dead body on
Speaker 1: its circle for a little while. Not in a long time,
Speaker 1: but just like an hour or a couple hours or
Speaker 1: something like that. Willa admits that the wedding is in
Speaker 1: large part inspired by money, by Conner's money. Money is
Speaker 1: a factor, she says, but she frames it as security,
Speaker 1: which is I think is a nice way to say.
Speaker 2: It was a very sweet scene.
Speaker 3: Naturally, it was a very It was like the most
Speaker 3: honest thing that happened between them, probably throughout the whole area.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Con admits that he is, you know, feeling quite
Speaker 1: creaky and old, considering that he is thirty years Willis
Speaker 1: senior and his dad just died. Carolina then tells the
Speaker 1: kids that, hey, the news is starting to leak now,
Speaker 1: so we have to really are under the gun now.
Speaker 1: We got to get our response together. Jerry makes some
Speaker 1: suggestions again, acting like she was never fired, which makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, And now the maneuvering is just
Speaker 1: starting to begin. The kids, the plane, folks, Jerry, everyone
Speaker 1: is kind of jostling to be included in whatever statement
Speaker 1: is eventually issued. The press is there to meet the
Speaker 1: Death Bird. At the airport, we see Colin Logan's body man,
Speaker 1: who Logan told two episodes ago that he was his
Speaker 1: best friend. Colin looks absolutely shattered. He's on the same
Speaker 1: whatever boat that carry is on. Colin is on that
Speaker 1: boat with her because he has nothing now. Soon after
Speaker 1: Shiv makes the statement for the family, she praises Logan
Speaker 1: and tells the world that the kids intend to be
Speaker 1: a presence at Waste Star in the years to come.
Speaker 1: Our final question of the day the Gojo deal thumbs
Speaker 1: up er thumbs down? Does it go through? Does Lucas
Speaker 1: Mattson push through the Gojo deal? And if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: what happens with the Attendant Pierce deal. That is of
Speaker 1: course contingent on the kids getting the money from the
Speaker 1: Gojo sale.
Speaker 3: I wonder if Mattson is gonna want the Gojo deal
Speaker 3: but for less money. I wonder if that might be
Speaker 3: his card here because everything's unstable as we see as
Speaker 3: you kind of get this great moment at the end
Speaker 3: of the episode where Roman shows on his phone how
Speaker 3: the stocks have dropped because everyone knows Logan's dead and
Speaker 3: he says, that's Dad, and then they kind of all smile,
Speaker 3: And I think that's the moment when they realize they're free,
Speaker 3: instead of being upset and kind of shocked by the news.
Speaker 3: But I think with the absolutely tanking stocks and the
Speaker 3: fact that Matson was already aware that they were trying
Speaker 3: to force more money out of him, I wonder if
Speaker 3: he comes back with a counter deal that is lower
Speaker 3: that then goes on to fuck up the pierced deal.
Speaker 1: I wonder that too, because, as mentioned in the episode,
Speaker 1: one of Mattson's objections, in addition to the fact that
Speaker 1: the price was going up, was that he was paying
Speaker 1: for less because Logan was going to hold on to
Speaker 1: ATM and we'll carve out eightn So the price was
Speaker 1: going up, but he was getting less stuff. So I wonder,
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. I think he's going to say, well,
Speaker 1: price has got to come down, either that or give
Speaker 1: me at in Bagh. And I also wonder if he listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it works legally, even though this
Speaker 1: is market Moose your number one, your number one spas
Speaker 1: for the most informed opinion on all matters, due to
Speaker 1: you know that come from the economy. I do wonder
Speaker 1: if he might, would he put himself up for it?
Speaker 1: Would he put himself up for CEO?
Speaker 3: Oh maybe as part of the deal, we can do
Speaker 3: it for the same amount of money. But I will
Speaker 3: be CEO and also atm huh.
Speaker 2: I would be very interested to see it.
Speaker 3: I love Mattson and Scarsgard's performance is so good in
Speaker 3: him and Kendal are so chao together. I would love
Speaker 3: to see this kind of smash altogether. But I just
Speaker 3: can't wait to see the chaos to come because those
Speaker 3: stock prices are going to be WBD back then for
Speaker 3: the foresteeable future.
Speaker 1: Final question, who is your winner and loser? Your winner
Speaker 1: and loser in the wake of the death of the
Speaker 1: big man himself Logan Roy, But up up up, He's
Speaker 1: loving death, big winner, big loser. Going forward, Who's gonna
Speaker 1: thrive and who is gonna Who's gonna really be missing
Speaker 1: that that sweet Logan energy.
Speaker 2: Big loser, it's Logan Roy first and foremost.
Speaker 3: He's lost his life, He's lost everything. But in the
Speaker 3: wake of that, I actually sad to say this because
Speaker 3: I am a Roman fan. I think Roman is the
Speaker 3: big loser coming out of this this destabilizes him. I
Speaker 3: hope that he can grab on to Jerry and make
Speaker 3: that apology. She's really pushing him away right now, but
Speaker 3: I would love to see them team up.
Speaker 2: But Roman is obsessed with the.
Speaker 3: Idea that his dad heard his last horrible voicemail where
Speaker 3: he said this terrible thing. Roman is in this position
Speaker 3: where he fired Jerry, but the rest of the kids
Speaker 3: don't know, and he can never tell them because otherwise
Speaker 3: it shows that he betrayed them.
Speaker 2: He felt like he just.
Speaker 3: Had this moment of connection with his dad and then
Speaker 3: his dad died. So I think coming out of this
Speaker 3: he is from the core trio. He is struggling. Kerry
Speaker 3: obviously lost, Colin lost, Logan lost, but I think Rome
Speaker 3: is our main, main loser, big winner, probably just Kendall,
Speaker 3: because I think he's actually very happy about this, Like
Speaker 3: that's my funniest business wise, who knows.
Speaker 2: I think Kendall is a fool, but Jeremy Strong was.
Speaker 3: Delivering some great Kendall being constantly on the edge of
Speaker 3: just trauma and also ecstasy, like he can't quite believe
Speaker 3: he outlived his dad, and I think we could see
Speaker 3: this power him forward to the.
Speaker 2: To the President everyone's becoming the president.
Speaker 1: My winner and loser, my winner. I'm going to say Frank,
Speaker 1: Frank Is has always been the only alongside Jerry, I
Speaker 1: guess you would say, the only like humane person in
Speaker 1: this terrible, terrible, terrible company filled with terrible people. He
Speaker 1: handles Ken. You know, when Ken starts going into you know,
Speaker 1: fueled by grief, Ken starts doing is Ken. I want,
Speaker 1: get me, get me the greatest heart doctors in the world.
Speaker 1: I need them on I need them on the line
Speaker 1: in one minute. I want to know who, you know
Speaker 1: who the medical service this airline uses. I want that
Speaker 1: plane turned around. I want to all this and that,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk to the pilot. And then
Speaker 1: frank Is like Frank cools him, genesis, like son. Pilots
Speaker 1: find the plane and he just handles it well. And
Speaker 1: I hope that in the wake of this, Frank will
Speaker 1: find a measure of freedom and liberty from the intensely
Speaker 1: toxic atmosphere that he is student for forty years. Big loser,
Speaker 1: you know, I I honestly I think it's Kerry. She
Speaker 1: has no allies, her one. If she has something as armor,
Speaker 1: it is going to be that she knows bad stuff
Speaker 1: that happened, she was right there.
Speaker 2: She might she might be in a Tom position.
Speaker 1: She might have a map to a significant number of
Speaker 1: mass graves. And if she does have that, then maybe
Speaker 1: she'll have a soft landing, uh, you know, landing on
Speaker 1: a pile of money. But otherwise I would imagine that
Speaker 1: kids are going to be out to get her. I
Speaker 1: would imagine she you know, certainly, the way that Carolina
Speaker 1: Frank and carltreated her was cold shoulder at best. And
Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to have anybody really there
Speaker 1: looking out for her interests. So I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be very, very tough for her going forward. Also
Speaker 1: also Greg, I don't know, you know, unless Tom can
Speaker 1: hang on, Greg better hope that Tom can hang on,
Speaker 1: because then I think cousin Greg is in a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble.
Speaker 3: I think there's a version of this because we know
Speaker 3: Jesse Armstrong, we know Peep Show, we know the kind
Speaker 3: of dark satire and comedy that he brings to this,
Speaker 3: you know, fantastic show with succession. I do imagine that
Speaker 3: there's a world where cousin Greg could end up being
Speaker 3: the CEO. I don't know how, but you know that
Speaker 3: it would be the nightmare like corporate nepotism. But yeah,
Speaker 3: good luck to cousin Greg, because we love that tall
Speaker 3: four that.
Speaker 1: Has been your market moves for.
Speaker 5: Up next, Yellowjackets, We're stepping out of the airlock and
Speaker 5: into Yellow Jackets Season two, Episode three, Yes, and things
Speaker 5: are going bad, going terrible the delightfully named Digestive, directed
Speaker 5: by Jeffrey W.
Speaker 2: Bird and written by Sarah L. Thompson and Amini Rosa.
Speaker 3: Jackie's bleeding skeleton is gesturing us back into the wilderness God,
Speaker 3: where a poor assistant coach Ben is basically disassociating in
Speaker 3: his own past to escape the truth of what he
Speaker 3: saw at the end of last episode. Spoiler alert, it
Speaker 3: was kids eating Jackie's body. Yeah, all of them feasting
Speaker 3: delicious as he dreams of non cannibalistic meals that his
Speaker 3: loving boyfriend used to cook him.
Speaker 2: They're now delightfully full of human meat.
Speaker 3: Team are dealing with the realities of the feast, and
Speaker 3: some of them are doing better than others.
Speaker 2: Nat she's dealing with it quite well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she just like we did it. We needed to survive.
Speaker 3: She's rightfully kind of like grossed out, but she's pragmatic
Speaker 3: about the survival nature. Tie, on the other hand, comes
Speaker 3: out of the cabin absolutely freaking out.
Speaker 2: Somebody ate Jackie. Something ate Jackie? What happened to Jackie?
Speaker 2: And Van strolls out and Van's like.
Speaker 3: We ate her, Like what are you talking about? And
Speaker 3: Tye is like, no, it was nighttime, Tie, I was sleeping.
Speaker 2: I would never do it.
Speaker 3: Van assures her that she was fully awake. You were
Speaker 3: talking to me and live. Hewson says, well, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: He's like, immediately an a more all line. She says, Tye,
Speaker 3: you ate her face.
Speaker 1: I got to say. I am quickly growing tired of
Speaker 1: Tie not getting help. Tye like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you got this far in life, but you need to
Speaker 1: resign from your state senator, I'm telling you, and you
Speaker 1: need to seek help immediately, because this is serious.
Speaker 3: And it has been going on for like twenty five
Speaker 3: years at least at.
Speaker 1: Least at least and it will only become more as
Speaker 1: we talk about.
Speaker 3: This episode, and and she is wealthy enough that she
Speaker 3: could get private he big. It does not have to
Speaker 3: be a pressed please free for all, just please, This
Speaker 3: Freddy Krueger caffeine pill nonsense is gonna end.
Speaker 2: Very badly for.
Speaker 1: You, very very badly.
Speaker 2: It's really bad. Coach assistant Ben also not doing well
Speaker 2: in the nineties Wilderness.
Speaker 3: He's like trying his hardest to become the next meal,
Speaker 3: sassing up Nat as she kind of comes up with
Speaker 3: quite a good plan to just pack up Jackie's remains
Speaker 3: and put them on the plane, and he's like, at
Speaker 3: least if you put her body on the plane, you
Speaker 3: can pretend she died with the rest of them trying.
Speaker 2: To come brunch. It's it's just terrible plans all around.
Speaker 3: In the present, Nat is investigating what he's carl and Taisa,
Speaker 3: who's exceedingly needs help, is holding vigil over her critically
Speaker 3: injured wife, who, if you've forgotten, is critically injured because.
Speaker 2: Ty crashed her car on purpose with her wife in it.
Speaker 3: Not only that, Nighttime Tie Daytime Tie, who knows one
Speaker 3: of the Ties, has drawn the creepy cult symbol on
Speaker 3: her comatos wife's hand, So all going badly for time.
Speaker 3: Miss Misty is on a romantic journey of her own,
Speaker 3: heading to meet her Reddit crime board Frenemie Walter, played
Speaker 3: delightfully by Elijah Wood, who's just so wonderful He's set
Speaker 3: up a little meet cute where they're going to pretend
Speaker 3: to be FBI agents.
Speaker 2: Incredibly illegal, but very much but Miss's dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Missy's old had at this illegal stuff.
Speaker 2: She's like, she's better at it than what she knows
Speaker 2: what's going on in the game plan.
Speaker 1: She immediately knew's how we're going to do it. Here's
Speaker 1: what you're going to do. You're gonna need to rough
Speaker 1: this guy up a little bit. She knew it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately the guy they need to rough up is that
Speaker 3: actually like Misty's old school friend Randy, who in season
Speaker 3: one Jeff told about his little blackmail scam. So the
Speaker 3: pair have to basically play murder Serrano de Bergiac, with
Speaker 3: Misty hiding in the boat and whispering sweet questions and
Speaker 3: violent threats into Walter's earpiece for him to tell Randy.
Speaker 3: I can't even believe that it took this long to
Speaker 3: get to her, because she is such She's just a
Speaker 3: void of chaos and truly is at the center of
Speaker 3: everything that is insane in this show.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Missy, like everybody except Misty is kind
Speaker 1: of on a villain arc right now. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: Shauna villain arc she's about We're.
Speaker 2: About to get to her villain ark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that villain arc.
Speaker 3: Because because because you're right, Misty, she's still standing out
Speaker 3: as the hero.
Speaker 2: So Shauna Molly whops.
Speaker 3: Her carjacker where Jeff tries to take her on a
Speaker 3: romantic trip because he feels like they're not spontaneous enough
Speaker 3: and that that's why she had an affair with Adam,
Speaker 3: and she goes full Rambo punching a carjacker in the hand,
Speaker 3: stealing his gun. Now we'll say, Jeff fucks this up
Speaker 3: because it was a pretty sick move by Sean as psycho.
Speaker 2: As she was.
Speaker 3: John was shit, Yeah, Melanie lynsky wick and it was
Speaker 3: I have to say, very good Jeff. Unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 3: freaks out the car gets stolen, and that will come
Speaker 3: back to bite Jeff. Especially Lottie at the cult is
Speaker 3: showing that her beehives saying increasingly creepy things about them,
Speaker 3: alluding to how the girls ate Jackie and how that's
Speaker 3: similar to wasps and bees killing each other. It isn't brutal,
Speaker 3: it's natural. Otherwise they starve, we all do.
Speaker 2: That's an important illusion.
Speaker 3: I feel like that we will get back to as
Speaker 3: the episode comes to the end. In the woods, Nat
Speaker 3: teen Nat, who is truly the only logical person left.
Speaker 3: She's packing up Jackie's body. She refuses to drink Lotti's
Speaker 3: blood tea.
Speaker 2: As protection.
Speaker 3: I would say that, but almost immediately she almost gets
Speaker 3: killed by a giant white moose, So maybe she should
Speaker 3: have drink the bloody Now, let me stop you.
Speaker 1: Here is this mood? What this is?
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 1: Real? Is it? Here's our first opportunity to be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on out here? What is happening?
Speaker 1: Is that it was the moose reel? Is this some
Speaker 1: sort of multi dimensional thing where you know the boundaries
Speaker 1: between realities?
Speaker 2: Or or is it a computer generated image?
Speaker 1: Is is it like a haunted forest type of thing?
Speaker 1: What is happening?
Speaker 3: Because the moose comes at her, knocks the plane, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's huge, and then it disappears.
Speaker 2: Did run away? Is it real? It's very unclear and
Speaker 2: nobody has the wherewithal to be thinking about that because
Speaker 2: they're all just absolutely traumatized by what they did. And
Speaker 2: Lotty decides the best way for them to keep dealing
Speaker 2: with things and to cheer Shawn her up who's feeling
Speaker 2: slightly guilty about eating her bff. Is that they're gonna
Speaker 2: plan like the world's grimes baby showers. Oh good, everyone
Speaker 2: has to uh make gifts for the baby.
Speaker 3: Also important to note here, I think Lotty seems to
Speaker 3: think Slash know that the baby is a boy.
Speaker 2: She keeps calling it a hymn. So is this one
Speaker 2: of Lotty's visions? Is something there? I don't know. We'll
Speaker 2: likely find out about that as it goes on.
Speaker 3: It's very strange, but not as strange as Missy's unexpectedly
Speaker 3: moving steel magnoliously going in.
Speaker 2: You just believe it.
Speaker 1: On the rewatch when she announces it and there's like
Speaker 1: and she's like and now a speech from steel Manolis.
Speaker 3: And her Sally Field voice, she's like going ham In
Speaker 3: the modern day, Walter is, you know, following Misty's orders.
Speaker 3: He's slapping Randy, he's pulling out a little bonecutter.
Speaker 2: He's threatening him.
Speaker 3: But you know, Randy is like a stone cold idiot,
Speaker 3: so he doesn't have any good information except there were
Speaker 3: a strange group of people wearing.
Speaker 2: Purple at the motel.
Speaker 3: We know that Lottie's cult loves to wear heliotrope. I
Speaker 3: believe she calls it, so seems like Misty might be
Speaker 3: onto something. As the girls continue to prepare for the
Speaker 3: Nightmare baby shower, Mary is going full Lady Macbeth. She's
Speaker 3: hearing a dripping which which I'm sure is going to
Speaker 3: come into play. Nobody else can hear it. But she's
Speaker 3: always hearing and dripping. Oh can nobody else hear that?
Speaker 3: You can't perceive that.
Speaker 2: I wonder what that could be out? Yeah, drip, drip please,
Speaker 2: it's you know, very Edgar Allan Poe of and Misty.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm gonna say this is a suggestion that I
Speaker 3: do think adds fuel to that is Misty the Antler
Speaker 3: queen fire, but it's also, once again not necessarily incorrect
Speaker 3: on a survival level. She reveals to us and to
Speaker 3: Crystal that she had pitched turning Jackie's bones into a
Speaker 3: broth for the people for the kids to drink and
Speaker 3: eat act the baby shower. As Crystal says, a party
Speaker 3: is no fun without snacks, So Misty's really found.
Speaker 2: A twin flame there.
Speaker 3: But the plan's rejected, and while Misty's kind of a
Speaker 3: chill vibe about it, is a red flag.
Speaker 2: For her sociopathic behavior.
Speaker 3: I will say he's probably right ari surviv she is probably,
Speaker 3: but they could have probably done with it.
Speaker 2: Coach Ben is delusional freak outs.
Speaker 3: He's well, no, you know what he did see a
Speaker 3: little kid crawling along the floor with a rabid mouth
Speaker 3: planning to eat him.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was actually real. I mean, will the same style.
Speaker 1: In the sense because it had me wondering obviously, like
Speaker 1: people are not. You know, Coach Ben did not partake
Speaker 1: of the meal that was had the other night, so
Speaker 1: this could be just hunger hallucinations. But also it's true.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of weird things going on
Speaker 1: in this wood. I wonder if there was something else
Speaker 1: going on, whether it's magic or whatever. You know, weird
Speaker 1: thing is happening out here that we have yet to
Speaker 1: figure out. That is obviously tied to that symbol that
Speaker 1: we keep seeing, but we don't know. So I I
Speaker 1: was unclear whether he was being tortured by some kind
Speaker 1: of vision that was caused by something, or if he's
Speaker 1: just like hungry and scared and cold and he just
Speaker 1: like is afraid that they with cars that they might
Speaker 1: eat him. He might be I really.
Speaker 3: I like that reading because also I do think we're
Speaker 3: getting into deep unreliable narrator territory at this point. We
Speaker 3: don't know what we're seeing or what we're being shown
Speaker 3: that is actually true or is just how the girls
Speaker 3: or Ben or whoever is perceiving what's going on in
Speaker 3: the forest.
Speaker 2: Ben is just he's hiding in the back room. He's
Speaker 2: laid up.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to talk that Travis when Travis checks
Speaker 3: in on him, and he's practically just disassociating full time
Speaker 3: to survive. He's thinking about his lovely boyfriend and how
Speaker 3: his boyfriend broke up with him just before Ben left
Speaker 3: for Nationals because he wasn't comfortable coming out.
Speaker 2: Of the closet.
Speaker 3: And it's this really interesting, grounded, kind of emotional story
Speaker 3: arc that Ben is going on in his head while
Speaker 3: the girls get ready to celebrate their baby. This wilderness sacrifice,
Speaker 3: what's coming there is a good juxtaposition here of Ben's
Speaker 3: life before the wilderness, and you can understand why he's
Speaker 3: ruminating on it compared to his life in the wilderness. Now,
Speaker 3: we get a big reveal here this week, which is
Speaker 3: Van finally learns more about the mystery of Tie's sleepwalking
Speaker 3: when She asks Nighttime Tie if she can join her
Speaker 3: on her little Sonambalist jaunt as long as she unbinds
Speaker 3: her from the ropes. Nighttime Tie says yes, and she
Speaker 3: explains to Van that the man with no eyes has
Speaker 3: been telling her where to go if you don't remember him.
Speaker 3: He's the Vincent from pulp fiction looking suit wearing guy
Speaker 3: but with no eyes, who Tie saw in the mirror
Speaker 3: when her grandmother died, and it seems to be some
Speaker 3: kind of familial hereditary ghosts or delusion, and he is
Speaker 3: now clearly connected to whatever's going on in the forest.
Speaker 3: She also says that she's not Tie. She talks about
Speaker 3: Tie in the third person, and when Van wakes Tie up,
Speaker 3: Ty has no memory and it seems like I would
Speaker 3: say Tie lies to Van about the man with no
Speaker 3: eyes because that's been recurring for her day time night Time.
Speaker 2: She's seen him throughout the series.
Speaker 1: Is this a ghost story? Is that what's going on?
Speaker 2: Is this kind of worked out too? Is it actually
Speaker 2: a ghost in it?
Speaker 3: At Pailey Fest the one of the co show runners,
Speaker 3: Ashley Lyle, who also co created the show, she talked
Speaker 3: about how people wanted to know about the Man with
Speaker 3: No Eyes and she was kind of saying no, and
Speaker 3: then Tawny Cypress, who plays adult Tie, got up and
Speaker 3: was like, you have to tell us, like you've kept
Speaker 3: it from us for so long, and kind of bullied
Speaker 3: her into it. And she said she sees the man
Speaker 3: with no eyes kind of as you could see him
Speaker 3: as death incarnate. That's like how Tie sees him, she said,
Speaker 3: So this kind of almost an apparition of what you
Speaker 3: see before you die. But she also said that he
Speaker 3: represents the unknown, which is something Ties very scared of.
Speaker 3: So I do wonder if we're getting into that kind
Speaker 3: of spiritual end of life, that's someone you see when
Speaker 3: you die. If he is Death in Karnate, then let's
Speaker 3: talk about the lost potential hair are.
Speaker 2: The girls already dead?
Speaker 3: I think we're getting to the stage now where we
Speaker 3: can ask that is this purgatory?
Speaker 1: I am now wondering if there isn't something like they
Speaker 1: cheated death or something like they should have died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should have died, but they didn't, and that's why
Speaker 1: they are being hounded by this fell luck in the
Speaker 1: years after. I will say that, like, then you gotta
Speaker 1: fucking tie Tie like you had a tire. She can't
Speaker 1: be walking around. I know you have very warm feelings
Speaker 1: towards her, and listen when she's and daytime. Tie is
Speaker 1: a nice person. Yeah, but you I'm sorry, but we
Speaker 1: got to really really tire up, like like very very
Speaker 1: very tightly. She cannot be allowed to roam around the
Speaker 1: woods doing who knows what, taking shits, jumping off cliffs,
Speaker 1: potentially killing people.
Speaker 3: We can't literally please stop it. Yeah, and also why
Speaker 3: is she always going to the symbol?
Speaker 2: I think Van is on something. Van's like, Bro, you
Speaker 2: got to talk to Laurie.
Speaker 3: You've got to try and understand what's going on with
Speaker 3: the symbol, Like what is the crying ties?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: No, not having it nothing is a coincidence. It's not
Speaker 3: a coincidence, my friend. Well, it is clear that the
Speaker 3: symbol is somehow connected to whatever Tie is experiencing and
Speaker 3: has sleepwalking.
Speaker 1: I will say that it does seem like the symbol
Speaker 1: can be found at these moments where death is closest.
Speaker 1: It was at the cliff where Tied was gonna maybe
Speaker 1: jump off. She put it you know, on her on
Speaker 1: her ex partner's hand. Now that she's very very close
Speaker 1: to death. It was on the window. I want I
Speaker 1: and so I wonder if there's it's either a ward
Speaker 1: or you're calling death. You're trying to ward it off,
Speaker 1: but it does seem like it's it's there in those
Speaker 1: moments where there is a coin flip happening and it's
Speaker 1: like heads you live, tails you die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I think that's a great point.
Speaker 3: And Lotty seems to think it's protection, but it could
Speaker 3: also be that you're calling down.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Present day Jeff, making everyone look incredibly suspicious as always,
Speaker 3: goes up to Cop Kevin in the gym Terrible Sea.
Speaker 3: Oh it's all going wrong, and he's going up to
Speaker 3: him saying, my wife didn't do anything, and Kevin's like, well,
Speaker 3: guess what. Somebody told me that your wife's having an affair.
Speaker 3: And that's a good source because guess what it was.
Speaker 3: It was fucking Cali the worst she told him last week.
Speaker 3: And then sure not who Jeff should probably be spending
Speaker 3: time with instead of harassing a cop is on her
Speaker 3: union shit going to get her Mini Van Melanie Lynsky
Speaker 3: just goes absolutely ham here as she gives the monologue
Speaker 3: of a lifetime, adding more fuel to the.
Speaker 2: Fire that she is the antler Queen.
Speaker 3: Here's just a snippet. Have you ever peeled the skin
Speaker 3: off a human corpse. It's not as easy as you
Speaker 3: might think. It's really stuck on us skin. You have
Speaker 3: to roll back the edges of it just so you
Speaker 3: can get a good grip to really pull, which again
Speaker 3: isn't easy. People are so sweaty when you kill them,
Speaker 3: just like Oily Nightmare. But you know what gonna say,
Speaker 3: it works. She gets the minibaundpack.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, people are so sweaty when
Speaker 1: you kill them. Who else has Shanna killed?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: I think she's killed, She's has she committed in the past,
Speaker 1: because I think she might revolution very believable that she's
Speaker 1: killed multiple people.
Speaker 3: I think in the forest she is the person who
Speaker 3: kills the people that they eat later on over this
Speaker 3: like nineteen months.
Speaker 2: I also look, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Because Jeff is kind of like a himbo darling who
Speaker 3: very shocked and innocent. But I do feel like those
Speaker 3: two have killed or covered up a murder before, and
Speaker 3: that's how they get their little marriage kicks and keep
Speaker 3: things fresh.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I I need to know what
Speaker 1: Shauna has been up to in the years preceding when
Speaker 1: we catch up with her in the present day, because
Speaker 1: it really feels like there is the dark side to
Speaker 1: her is a lot darker and a lot deeper than
Speaker 1: we ever imagined, and I would not be shocked to
Speaker 1: learn that she has committed multiple, multiple non forest murders.
Speaker 2: Yes, big big serial killers. Mix above and see and
Speaker 2: she gets so many bound back. Good for her.
Speaker 1: X ray vision will be back.
Speaker 2: And we're back back in the cabin.
Speaker 3: There is this I love this scene because I think
Speaker 3: it leans into what we were talking about, like unreliable narrators,
Speaker 3: like different versions of the past and the present merging together. Also,
Speaker 3: I will just say before I talk about this moment,
Speaker 3: Yellowjackets Socials did a post where they said this is
Speaker 3: our multiverse.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if that.
Speaker 3: Was just a mistaken post that was because like there's
Speaker 3: two different timelines. But to me, I'm also like, does
Speaker 3: that mean we're in multiverse territory and they're different universes?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And Ben is definitely wishing that he could live in
Speaker 3: a different universe, and we get to see a glimpse
Speaker 3: of that here where it shows him going back to
Speaker 3: his boyfriend and saying I love you. I'm going to
Speaker 3: come out of the closet. I'm going to live with
Speaker 3: you openly. We're gonna move in together, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: be great, because if I don't do this, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be the most boring, depressed version of myself.
Speaker 2: I was hoping that this was.
Speaker 3: Something he said, and then he was like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to let the girls down, so I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: to Nationals.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: We learn then that Ben is imagining what could have
Speaker 3: happened if he'd done that, as the news begins to
Speaker 3: play a story about the plane crash that he wouldn't
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 1: On Bump bumb Bum.
Speaker 3: It's really heartbreaking and gutting, and the thesis is like,
Speaker 3: come out of the closet and you won't die in
Speaker 3: a fiery crash.
Speaker 2: So it's it's really bleak and sad stuff.
Speaker 3: And I actually felt for Coach Ben in this moment,
Speaker 3: where usually I'm kind of I'm a Coach Ben agnostic.
Speaker 3: So Misty is now giving that famous Steel Magnolias performance
Speaker 3: that we mentioned. By the way, chose a speech about
Speaker 3: a dead daughter our baby shower, very weird.
Speaker 1: Flex absolutely bizarre choice for.
Speaker 3: Bizarre and like you mentioned, It begins with this kind
Speaker 3: of heckling and a couple of people clapping, but by
Speaker 3: the end the group is like crying. They're giving her
Speaker 3: rousing applause. People are smiling, and I think she's finally
Speaker 3: getting to move back up the social ladder of the
Speaker 3: wilderness post, you know, poisoning everyone. It seems like she
Speaker 3: finally get to to be having a friend.
Speaker 1: Tie yes again. I just somebody needs to stop her.
Speaker 1: She needs to be TI needs to be stopped.
Speaker 3: She needs to go and get some help, whatever that
Speaker 3: means when you're incredibly wealthy and a maybe haunted by
Speaker 3: a ghost ghost rehab. I don't know she has enough
Speaker 3: money to get help. I don't know why she's doing this.
Speaker 3: She's ignoring Misty's phone calls. She's putting herself in a
Speaker 3: dangerous situation. And that leads to one of the creepiest
Speaker 3: scenes from this season actually, where Tye sees a nightmare
Speaker 3: reflection of herself with kind of red eyes, which I
Speaker 3: guess is maybe a bit of a nighttime tie signifier,
Speaker 3: and the other tie in the mirror is moving of
Speaker 3: her own accord. She wants something from daytime tie, and
Speaker 3: when Tye kind of asks her finally, what do you want?
Speaker 3: She covers half of her face well, making the dooms
Speaker 3: coming moss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me. The way I interpreted that hand
Speaker 1: gesture was she was making the symbol with her fingers.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so good.
Speaker 1: Like they those dashes, you know, go to the side
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, that was the way I perceived it
Speaker 1: was that she was making the symbol across her face
Speaker 1: and over her eye.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so crazy, So.
Speaker 1: Again calling into question the idea that the symbol could
Speaker 1: be about seeing who is this person that she's dealing with.
Speaker 1: Is it her from another dimension? And is the symbol
Speaker 1: how they communicate with this dimension? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it felt like, again we were seeing the symbol, but
Speaker 1: in a in a different formula.
Speaker 2: New way, in a new way.
Speaker 3: I love that, And I love that double reading too,
Speaker 3: because so much of the show is subjective. So I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it must be like the mosque that
Speaker 3: she wore with Van at homecoming. She wants you know,
Speaker 3: she wants Van, and I do wonder if that's the case,
Speaker 3: why would Nighttime Tie.
Speaker 2: Want Van there?
Speaker 3: Because Van was one of the few people who actually
Speaker 3: tried to stop her. We know adult Van has been
Speaker 3: cast Lauren Ambrose, so maybe we'll be seeing her soon.
Speaker 3: But either way, it's bad times for Tie and she's
Speaker 3: losing control and she is yet to ask anyone for help. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, Walter is doing his
Speaker 3: best to flirt with Misty. She's having absolutely none of it.
Speaker 2: But I love this moment.
Speaker 3: We get this moment between them where it seems like
Speaker 3: he's flirting, he wants them to spend the night together,
Speaker 3: to have a drink together, but really he's kind of
Speaker 3: probing her about why she's down shouting his posts. I
Speaker 3: think this is very interesting to ask you a question.
Speaker 3: What do you think about Walter's intentions? Is he a
Speaker 3: yellowjacket Superstan? Does he actually like Misty? Or is he
Speaker 3: just trying to find out what happened to Adam and
Speaker 3: she's just a tool on his chin.
Speaker 1: It's all of the above. I think it's he quite
Speaker 1: rightly suspects that there's more going on with Adam unless
Speaker 1: we get to the bottom of that. I think that
Speaker 1: him saying that he doesn't care about the Yellow Jackets,
Speaker 1: which we think we see in the in the upcoming scenes.
Speaker 1: Right the those scenes from next week's episode feels a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh, you know the lady Lady doth protest
Speaker 1: too much, right, I think that agree one of the
Speaker 1: I'm a mystery freak and one of the biggest mysteries
Speaker 1: I don't care about the last couple decades. I don't care. God,
Speaker 1: I just did not care about it. I could not
Speaker 1: care less. I'm just on the Internet trying to solve
Speaker 1: mysteries all day, but this one I don't. I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: I think I think that he's very interested, and I
Speaker 1: think that to your point, I think that he is.
Speaker 1: He correctly suspects that there's more going on with Adam,
Speaker 1: and I think he would love more information about the
Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets and what is going on with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this great tear tet here too, where Misty
Speaker 3: makes up this lie just sociopathically fast, about how she's
Speaker 3: protecting Adam's mother, who was so heartbroken because he was
Speaker 3: an addict, and she just wants to protect this poor woman.
Speaker 3: And then you're like, oh, wow, that was really creepy.
Speaker 3: I kind of forgot you could do that. And then
Speaker 3: she's like, you know, you must know because you brought
Speaker 3: your mom to the nursing home where I work and He's.
Speaker 1: Like, that's not my mom.
Speaker 3: He's like, that's just some random woman I know. And
Speaker 3: you know, it meant I could come and see you.
Speaker 3: And Misty was like, why would you do that? And
Speaker 3: he says this line. I mean, these two are definitely big.
Speaker 3: They got big joker Harlequin in the yellowjackets. Yeah, world energy.
Speaker 2: He says, maybe I'm just a bored Moriarty looking for
Speaker 2: a shirln I.
Speaker 1: Mean, at this point, I feel like, Misty, this is
Speaker 1: wonderful and I'm rooting for these these really, really truly
Speaker 1: unhinged kids. That said, if I'm Misty, I think you
Speaker 1: got to put your defenses up a little bit at that.
Speaker 3: You know, Moriarty is somebody says they're Moriarty, you gotta say,
Speaker 3: that's a red flag.
Speaker 1: And also the reveal that he is at the nursing
Speaker 1: home specifically to see her, not for any other reason
Speaker 1: to make contact with her.
Speaker 2: Red flag, big red flag.
Speaker 3: And you know, Lotti is trying to work through things
Speaker 3: with Nat and make her believe that she's at the
Speaker 3: wellness cult out of choice. She teams her up with Lisa,
Speaker 3: you know, played by Nicole Mayins, who Nat stabbed with
Speaker 3: a fork Lotty in true unhinged fashion. I have to say,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with the wellness space.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem good to me. But it's not obviously
Speaker 3: the supernatural cult we thought. But this is a big
Speaker 3: red flag with the white reflegs. She gives Lisa a
Speaker 3: fork and says to her, if you want to stab Natalie,
Speaker 3: like go for it, just just do it and like
Speaker 3: see how it goes. But Lisa is extremely chill. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's living the good life. That intentional community is working
Speaker 3: for her because she drops the fork, hugs Nat and
Speaker 3: forgives her. And I think that has quite a profound
Speaker 3: impact on Naw.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean this was, first of all, it was chilling
Speaker 1: the way Lottie says and if you want to hurt
Speaker 1: her you can, and I think you should. That was
Speaker 1: absolutely bone chilling, and it really it felt like a
Speaker 1: big thing for her to not do it and forgive her.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Nat is a person who, whether
Speaker 1: she knows it or not, is looking for that grace
Speaker 1: from everyone around her. She is looking for someone to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I think she would love to give it to other
Speaker 3: people too. I think but in that moment, Juliette Lewis
Speaker 3: does so much acting. She's so shocked and moved by
Speaker 3: Lisa's choice to do that. I'm very interested to see where.
Speaker 2: That relationship goes. Yeah, in the past.
Speaker 3: Nat is not feeling very forgiving or graceful when Lotti
Speaker 3: I have to say, this is fucked up. When Lottie
Speaker 3: decides that the best present for Shanna's baby is a
Speaker 3: blanket with the cult symbol stitched onto it, Natalie is like, bro,
Speaker 3: this symbol was found among a dead man.
Speaker 2: This is bad.
Speaker 1: Lot.
Speaker 3: He's like, Nah, it's cool, man like he was using
Speaker 3: it for protection and that's like, well, he's dead, so
Speaker 3: it didn't really work, and tis about to step up.
Speaker 3: It seems like her and Nat are really the only
Speaker 3: two logical kind of team logic people left in the cabin.
Speaker 2: But Shanna gets a.
Speaker 3: Nose bleed and her nose very I would say my
Speaker 3: first thought was this is coming from eating human flesh.
Speaker 3: Nose bleed Like, this is a you ate too much
Speaker 3: of your friend nosebleed. The blood drips onto the symbol
Speaker 3: and immediately just hundreds of crows kill themselves by flying
Speaker 3: into the cabin.
Speaker 1: I'm telling about the blood magic. It's something, something's happening,
Speaker 1: Something is super I am. I am convinced now that
Speaker 1: something is supernatural.
Speaker 3: I think that there is at least there is a
Speaker 3: supernatural element to whatever else is going on here, whether
Speaker 3: there's some kind of esp thing like some weapon X
Speaker 3: program in the forest, whatever it is, there is a
Speaker 3: level of extrasensory something activity, yes occurring. So if you're
Speaker 3: wondering if Team Logic or Team Supernatural is winning, Nat
Speaker 3: makes a very very good point. She's like, do not
Speaker 3: touch those crows. They are probably sick, seeing as they
Speaker 3: all just died. And Lot he's like, nah, gather the blessings,
Speaker 3: and all of the girls apart from Nat and Tye
Speaker 3: just start picking up the crows and taking them into
Speaker 3: the cabin.
Speaker 1: Folks, What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: What is OK?
Speaker 3: So this is where speaking of this, the episode ends
Speaker 3: on a big what the fuck is going on? Moment
Speaker 3: where I think we can really dive into this like
Speaker 3: dimensional ideas ideas of parallels with Lost, which this is
Speaker 3: season is really I feel like kind of trolling people.
Speaker 2: With like intentionally.
Speaker 3: Lotti in the present goes to her Beehigh, which she
Speaker 3: was telling that about that she obviously cares about.
Speaker 2: And the bees are all dead.
Speaker 3: The hives are full of blood, and she's, you know,
Speaker 3: her hands are covered in blood. Somebody's killed her bees.
Speaker 3: It seems really just absolutely alarming to her. But it's
Speaker 3: just a vision, it seems, And visions of dead animals
Speaker 3: can mean lots of things, like they can talk about
Speaker 3: grief and trauma, but they can also mean great evil
Speaker 3: is coming. And the song behind Lottie as she has
Speaker 3: this vision says, can't stop what's coming, can't stop what's
Speaker 3: on its way. So I'm guessing that this is a
Speaker 3: bad omen, whether it is real or not.
Speaker 1: There's also let me look at the lyrics to this,
Speaker 1: there is also, uh, I think one of the it
Speaker 1: says something about a portal. Also in that time, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's really feels like there's something trying to come
Speaker 1: into this world and what is it? I think you know,
Speaker 1: you and I both coming into this season where like
Speaker 1: a lot is much more clued in. She might be
Speaker 1: behind all of this. She knows more about what's going
Speaker 1: on maybe than the rest of them. And now it's
Speaker 1: quite clear that Lottie, though profoundly affected by her experiences
Speaker 1: in the Woods, and despite the fact that she was
Speaker 1: something of the spiritual leader of the girls in the woods,
Speaker 1: is just as mystified as to what is happening is
Speaker 1: that everybody else.
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting to see how she almost
Speaker 3: like it almost feels like she didn't have a lot
Speaker 3: of agency and being put in this position by the girls.
Speaker 3: It was more to do with these strange coincidences or
Speaker 3: things that occurred, and lot his own struggles with mental health,
Speaker 3: and they kind of put her on this pedestal. And
Speaker 3: I found it really interesting that earlier Lottie had talked
Speaker 3: about the bees as annas for the girls, and then
Speaker 3: at the end you see that the bees are all dead.
Speaker 3: So is this leaning into our kind of final destination?
Speaker 3: They should have died and now they have to die again.
Speaker 3: Is death or some kind of supernatural thing hunting them down?
Speaker 3: Is that like Travis ended up dying, or is this
Speaker 3: more of that that's a different version of the world,
Speaker 3: a different universe where these visions are not necessarily untrue,
Speaker 3: but there's something pushing through from the other side.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of really fun I am
Speaker 2: very impressed.
Speaker 3: Basically that this show can get more intriguing as it
Speaker 3: goes on in its second season, when the first season
Speaker 3: was just such an explosive kind of zeitgeist hitting smash.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to keep the mystery going. But every
Speaker 3: week I come out of this like, what the fuck I.
Speaker 2: Have going on?
Speaker 1: I need so no super producer Saul put the title
Speaker 1: of the song in our chat, and here is the lyric,
Speaker 1: and through the lifeli whlse, there goes her friend and
Speaker 1: her and Nashiki. It's out of time, and through the
Speaker 1: portal they can make amend. So there it is the
Speaker 1: word portal. I I mean, it feels like they're telling
Speaker 1: us that there is something in some other dimension. And also,
Speaker 1: you know, for our house of the dragon heads and
Speaker 1: for our kind of Norse mythology slash various other forms
Speaker 1: of mythology. Heads, a white elk or a white moose
Speaker 1: or a white animal in general is often quite symbolic
Speaker 1: of a thing, usually a protector, which makes me feel like, man,
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's some like bigger battle between good
Speaker 1: and light and dark going on here that these girls
Speaker 1: are somehow trapped up in. I have no idea where
Speaker 1: it's going. That's the thing. Either this is you know
Speaker 1: other shows like, Yeah, here's what I think might happen,
Speaker 1: Here's what I think this one. I'm flummoxed at the
Speaker 1: end of every episode. I'm like, I don't know, just
Speaker 1: tell me what happens to and I love it.
Speaker 2: I love every second of it all.
Speaker 1: Right up next nerd Out.
Speaker 3: In this week's ned Out, where you tell us what
Speaker 3: you love and why oh a theory you're excited to share.
Speaker 3: Victor pictures us on the two thousand and five film
Speaker 3: sky High.
Speaker 6: Hi, this is Victor from Kentucky and I want to
Speaker 6: tell you about my nerd out, which is the two
Speaker 6: thousand and five movie sky High. It is essentially a
Speaker 6: John Hughes inspired superhero movie that has rated PG. This
Speaker 6: came out when I was in my mid twenties. There
Speaker 6: weren't a lot of superhero movies after Spider Man, X Men.
Speaker 6: There's kind of a gap there. This was right before
Speaker 6: Marvel started doing its thing. So watch this Disney movie
Speaker 6: that came out as made for preteens.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I fell in love with it.
Speaker 6: I think it's fantastic. If you look at the cast,
Speaker 6: you may be surprised to just see how many people
Speaker 6: you recognize from it, of course. Kelly Preston, Kurt Russell,
Speaker 6: Michael and Gerano stars in it. Nicholas Brown is in it,
Speaker 6: Bris Campbell, a lot of people you're going to recognize.
Speaker 6: But it's just it's very sweet, it's very charming. It
Speaker 6: has some pretty good action scenes in it. If you're
Speaker 6: looking for something superhero ish that you could watch with
Speaker 6: your kids, or even if you don't have kids, you're
Speaker 6: still going to enjoy it. So that is my nerd out.
Speaker 6: Two thousand and five's Sky High, a movie that should
Speaker 6: have gotten a sequel, so far it hasn't happened.
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