1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. Well, let's talk a little 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: bit about Bow and Young. How did you guys decide 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: like a duo is the way to go after having 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, your own individual careers and you were riding 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: together for so long. But were you Was it just 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: like a very clear moment or Um? Was it something 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: you kind of grappled with for a while. Um, It's 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: something that I had wanted for such a long time, 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and it was I guess I I let other people 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: make decisions for me because I was so exhausted all 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: the time. Um, when I was doing the TV show, 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: that this thing that kept being like, oh yeah, I'm 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: gonna do it, gonna do it, not Bran, Like we 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: both wanted to be in a duo, and I, you know, 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: I was trying to spear ahead that and it was 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: just I don't know, A let other people make decisions 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: because I was exhausted and I trusted them to be 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: going in the direction that I wanted to go in. 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: Then the pandemic happened and I reevaluated everything, which was 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: really hard and one of the best things I could 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: have done for myself and us possible. And and then 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: we're sitting in it was Tracy Gershon's place, Tracy's backyard, 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: Susan manager, Susan Bank, and we were all talking, listening 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: to the new music. And Brandon and I always played 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: together anyway, like it was silly that we weren't ado. 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: We were ye, some reason wasn't allowed to be on. 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, it was weird. Um and Tracy and 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: Susan I think as just about the same time listening 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: to the music, and they said, have you guys ever 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: thought about that? You do it? And I just remember, 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: like my soul of plex is like lighting up, like yes, 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: like every day for the love are we allowed? And 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: we were allowed? And they were like, why haven't you already? 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to talk about it. Yes, yes, yes, 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: yes yes. And it was the most wonderful, It was 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: so so lovely. And then we did the first tour 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: after the pandemic ended, so we we had written all 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: of these songs, and like Brandon wrote my whole first 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: album with me. I couldn't have done it without him. 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: And he's actually the reason that I being able to 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: go out more and be around people is a whole 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: lot easier for me immediately. It was easier when Brandon 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: came about and we went out on this little city 45 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: winery tour after the pandemic, and I remember standing behind 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: the curtain waiting to go out for the very first show. 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: I think it might have been really I don't know, 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: and I realized for the very first time I was 49 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: about to walk out on the stage and I didn't 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: feel lonely, and everything just felt right because he was 51 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: going to be standing in the spotlight with me, not 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: just off to the side like just out. He was 53 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: always sort of kept there and it was it was 54 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: so beautiful. Just burst into tears and he's like, what's wrong. 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: As you're about to go on stage. I think I 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: said something like I'm unlinely, and he was like, okay, 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: well we have to go out and sing songs now. 58 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: Are you going to make it like we just table 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: this for later. I mean, I was raised by people 60 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: who cry in KFC, and so he's very emotional sincere, 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: so he was very supportive. And I was like, okay, 62 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: but like, let's go sing songs now. Those people are 63 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: here for you. It was everything just felt right. And 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: so Bow and Young has been the most incredible project 65 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: to work on, and we're so excited that we get 66 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: to released the next single soon. Skeletons has gotten really 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: wonderful responses. Um, and so the next one is Dangerous Love. 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's just like every it just 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: feels the world feels right to me. Now, do you 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: feel like, now that you guys are married, that being 71 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: in a duo is it's just like an extension of 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: your marriage almost like you know each other so well 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: that it's easier to work together. Or is it that 74 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: thing where you're like, whoa, We're like always together, doing 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: everything together? Like which one is it? Or is it both? Yeah? Okay, 76 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: I think it's it's special because you know, obviously we 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: have a unique relationship where we're both creatives. Um, we 78 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: both right, we both sing Claire acts, you know. Um. 79 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I feel really fortunate that we get 80 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: to if she's you know, booked a film somewhere, like 81 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: I can go with her and I'll write songs in 82 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: a hotel room while she's shooting, and you know, and 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: then we get to go on tour together and then 84 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: we get to write and make records together, and you know, 85 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's such a a beautiful thing. And 86 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: I know other people's relationships are different, so and and 87 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: that's that's fine, But for for me personally, I just 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: think we couldn't get any luckier to get to do 89 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: what we do together. And and you know, there's no 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: pilot in this thing. There's we're both each other's co pilot. 91 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: Like we're we're a team. So if it's Claire reading 92 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: for a new role, I'm the guy off camera reading 93 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: the other lines of the other characters. Or you know, 94 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: if I'm working on music for a film or a 95 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: television show or an ad campaign, you know, I'm bouncing 96 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: ideas off of Claire. So we really truly are a team, 97 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: whether it be music or acting or or you know, 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: just life. Um, so I just feel like, you know, 99 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: we're so lucky. Yeah, we really quite like each other. 100 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: So it's being around all the time. Well, how do 101 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: you guys find the balance to Like, I mean, obviously 102 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: you take this very seriously, the this part of your relationship, 103 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: not letting the stress of it being everything that you 104 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: wanted to be affect just the romantic side, like because 105 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: obviously you have to turn it off at some point 106 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: and just be each other with each other and not 107 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: be work. So how do you find that balance, um? 108 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: With the work thing? For me, Like, you never play 109 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: a character at home, you can't. I don't know how 110 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: people do that. Like if you're if you're not just 111 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: you laid there at home with your person, I don't. 112 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that. That sounds really 113 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: lonely to me and exhausting as well. And like Brandon 114 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: was saying, you end up looking at like we've looked 115 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: at each other. I look at him and I'm like, 116 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: they're They're really wonderful things we get to experience together. 117 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: And then there's really hard stuff and I just want 118 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: to do it with you if it's even if it's awful, 119 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: if I have to go through it. Not that I 120 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: want him to go through it too, but he's the 121 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: I want there and I'm not afraid to just be 122 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: me um, And I think that's one of the things 123 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: that we sort of I mean I already knew that 124 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: about ourselves that we were we're best friends were I 125 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: love him for exactly who he is and I couldn't 126 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: be more blessed, Like I just I'm still just amazed 127 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: that I'm married to you. Or sometimes I wake up 128 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like, here is it pretty? But I don't know, 129 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: there's I don't know any other way to do it 130 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: except to be completely genuine, because the other thing sounds 131 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: really scary. Um. But I think, you know, for us, 132 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, every day is different, and so 133 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: there are some days where we just want to sort 134 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: of be in the house and we don't really want 135 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: to see anybody else, and we just, you know, honestly, 136 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: we'll just play Nintendo, you know, like just like open 137 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: up on the line and play Ingintendo. And then there's 138 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: other times when we're like we don't want to look 139 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: at a TV, and so we'll go to a bar 140 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: and we'll just sit at the bar and we'll have 141 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: drinks and we'll talk about whatever there is to talk about, um, 142 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: And it's just kind of you know, I don't it 143 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: just works for us. So I think, you know, we're 144 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: not clearly we're not vacation people, because I don't think 145 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: we've been on vacations since we've been together. Yeah, we 146 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: still haven't, don't even Yeah, but we we just kind 147 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: of try to live every day to its fullest, and 148 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: some days are are much harder than others. Um, you know, 149 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: when I'm really dark and and it's sad, you know, Um, 150 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, Claire does her best to pull me up, 151 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: you know. And if she's having a dark day or 152 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: a sad day, then I do my best to pull 153 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: her up. And it's like it's a team thing. I mean, 154 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: life is hard, like the world is, you know, going 155 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: through so much turmoil and sadness. And to have a 156 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: partner that you get to walk through all the good 157 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: stuff and the scary stuff with is is just an 158 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: incredible thing. And to have an ally in this life, um, 159 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: is amazing. And so you know that might be sitting 160 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: at a bar, or that might be playing Nintendo, or 161 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: that might be on stage playing in Germany or Australia 162 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: with all of the UK's it's all got its own 163 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: version of beauty and it's just great that we can 164 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: do together. Yeah, And I love I just love that 165 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: idea in general, because like you just said, life is hard, 166 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: and so if you can find companions, I mean, whether 167 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: that's through deep friendships or a partner, whatever it is. 168 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: I do think that something we miss a lot of 169 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: times is like how much we need other people to 170 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: hold us up on the hard days or the hard times. 171 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: And and to me, that is the biggest way that 172 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I've overcome any fears in my life. And so I 173 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: hear a lot of that in your story, that you 174 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: just have each other regardless of what the day looks like. Well, 175 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny too, because obviously the jobs that 176 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: you guys do are so different than what you know, 177 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: most people grow up and do. For jobs. Like if 178 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: you were a couple that owned the corner store together 179 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: and went there and looked at the store and sold 180 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: whatever and then came home and had family dinner, Like 181 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: no one would be like, well, how how is that? 182 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: But because it's entertainment and creativity, all of those public yeah, 183 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: it is, um, I mean, I guess to me. For me, 184 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: the question is like how do you separate? Like when 185 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: something happens in your life, do you look at each 186 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: other and say, like we should write a song about that? 187 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: You know? Like how do you get to terms peace off? Yeah? 188 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's very beneficial at some point, but 189 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: if it was like the whole relationship was constantly like 190 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: let's throw that into a song, each other so it's UM, 191 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: and I would fear that that would come to be UM, 192 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: because it's obviously you you both are very driven and 193 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: you want to be successful and UM, you've you've overcome 194 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: a lot of things through probably through art, you know, 195 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: so you know that would be a fear of mind. 196 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's really beautiful to see that you guys 197 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: like are able to find that sort of balance and 198 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: just be together. UM. Protecting each other to speak to 199 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying is like sort of protecting each other. 200 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: You know. There are times where I just know Claire 201 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: doesn't want to watch a series or a movie, or 202 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: she just doesn't because she sees things through a different 203 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: lens than I do. She's about dialogue and lighting and 204 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: make up and tear and wardrobe and sent in all 205 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: these things that she's literally like thinking of it like 206 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: a director and like an actor and all these things. 207 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: And sometimes I just know, like that's not really where 208 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: her head wants to be right now, So let's go 209 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: do something completely opposite. And then there's other times where 210 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: she knows me and I will do the thing that 211 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: you just said. You should read a song about that. 212 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: It's a good line that's constantly pulling my phone out 213 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: and writing down, you know, notes or seeing a voice 214 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: memo and Claire will put on like music in another 215 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: language because it goes. I can't understand it, and it's 216 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: not going to put my brain into that place where 217 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking through the that like oh that's that's really good. 218 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: That's It's like, you have to figure out where you can, 219 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: like you said, kind of shut it off and be 220 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: in the space together and enjoy each other's company without 221 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: it having to be sort of through this lens of work. 222 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: Maybe they have space. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how 223 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: else to do it. And my granddad said to me 224 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: a long time ago, like long, it doesn't matter how 225 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: long you're together or married or whatever you want to do, 226 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: you should always say please and thank you to each other. 227 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: There's this weird thing that happens where people forget how 228 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: much how magical they thought the person was in the beginning. 229 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: And with Brandon, it just keeps getting better. He's like, 230 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been through some some ship together and 231 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: where we I mean, I love him more every day. 232 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do without him. Um, 233 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,239 Speaker 1: And I don't understand why why someone would be impolite 234 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: or like he always opens my car door for me, 235 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: and UM always like, oh my goodness, you always opened 236 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: the car door for me. I've always say please, and 237 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's always that that 238 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: level of courtesy and politeness, not as a UM, not 239 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: as an unfamiliar thing, but you can have that familiarity 240 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: with each other and at the same time, I have 241 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: really deep respect for each other. It goes away, if 242 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: that makes sense, deeper respect and I think I hear 243 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: it's just so much caring for each other, which I 244 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: think it's lost when life starts to happen and and um, 245 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: relationships go on for a long time. So that's beautiful, 246 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: and the you know, the career stuff is really important. 247 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: But like I feel really lucky. We live in a 248 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: house on the lake and it's wonderful. But if Brandon 249 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: didn't live here with me, it would just be a 250 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: box near some water. I don't, yeah, I don't. Like. 251 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: There's Hollywood and the music industry are very strange places 252 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: to work, and you can have all of the success 253 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and they're you know, the things that it's the stuff 254 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: that happens throughout a career. Um, there are lots of 255 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: ups and downs, and it's wonderful when it's wonderful, and 256 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: when it's not, it's really dark. Um. And none of 257 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: it matters more than my relationship with him. No, it 258 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: doesn't without that. Without him, I wouldn't want to do that, 259 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: because this is what actually lasts. Well. One time that 260 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: you guys have collaborated recently about a life events that 261 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: um turned into music, was you said, during the pandemic, 262 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: there was a home invasion that happened, and you've written 263 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: a song called Dangerous Love about that experience. Can you 264 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: tell the listeners a little bit about what happened? Yeah, Um, 265 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: do you want to? I'm happy too. Well, it was 266 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: a little over a year ago. Um. It was a 267 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: Sunday night. Um, it was midnight, Yeah, almost midnight. I 268 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: had just finished watching Sunday night football. Clay was already 269 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: in bed, Um, and came upstairs and you know, got 270 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: into bed, and we have a two pound Irish wolf 271 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: found that sleeps at the foot of our bed and 272 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: I had literally just gotten into bed and our dog failing. 273 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: He picked his head up and he made a peculiar, 274 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: peculiar sound. It was it was It wasn't a bark. 275 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't a growl. It was I hear something that 276 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: is unfamiliar to me, and I don't like it. So 277 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: I just slipped out of bed and went to look 278 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: out the window on to the front of the house, 279 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: and there was a man in front of our house, 280 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: sort of almost right at our front door. And um. 281 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: So I quickly went back in the bedroom and Claire said, baby, 282 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: there's somebody out front, and I said, I see him. 283 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: So I was looking on like she was looking on 284 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: the rain camera. So I'm pulling my outloves on and 285 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: she gets out of bed and says, failing, come and 286 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: so the three of us go down down the stairs 287 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: to the front door. Um, and we're looking out this 288 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: little window in the front door. And you know how 289 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: sometimes kids will check car doors and then they'll just 290 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: move on if the car is locked, you know they 291 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: sometimes we didn't really made some noise with the mail 292 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: slot and just you know we're here, can you know, 293 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: you know kind of thing. Um. And then Brandon went 294 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: down to these So I'm just gonna go and check 295 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: the mid level make sure, like with the living rooms, 296 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go and check it out. Um. And 297 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: you were so quick. I guess you heard them. As 298 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: soon as I got down the the stairs to the 299 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: mid level, I was rounding the turn into the kitchen. 300 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: Claire was still in the landing with the dog, and 301 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: I heard the security system go beepep beep, and I 302 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: heard the back kitchen door slide open. That's where we 303 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: we hang our recycling, so I could hear like the 304 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: aluminum cans slide across the tile floor. I just I 305 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: turned around and I said, he's a Claiy's in the house. 306 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: Get upstairs, and so we ran upstairs to our bedroom, 307 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: closed and locked the door. Claire called one and was 308 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: on with nine on one dispatch, and she she had 309 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: the Falin was like right at her head, like he 310 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: was plastered to the side of her. But he was 311 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: very aware that things were pretty gnarly. And we just 312 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: waited for a second and then yeah, like talking to 313 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: the dispatch and m we heard the guy walking around 314 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: pretty calm downstairs for a little bit. And because we 315 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: were we were dead quiet, and the dog's whole body 316 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: was shaking, and I'm thinking I couldn't let him like, 317 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't let him go, because a dog like that 318 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: will go for the person who is trying to hurt 319 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: that person. That's all like, I don't care about here anything. 320 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: So I had a hold of the dog and we thought, okay, 321 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: the guy's like, we're fine. The guy's gonna go to 322 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: the music room and he'll take the guitars. There's a 323 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff in there that you have to walk 324 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: past to get to the front door, so he'll take them. 325 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: And I had seen him hunting around the truck, so 326 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: he'll take them in the truck and that'll be it, 327 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: and this will be a you know, I can't believe 328 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: this is happening, but it'll it'll be over. And then 329 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: we heard him walk past the music room and start 330 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: up the stairs to where we were, and that was 331 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: terrifying my because I realized then it was like, oh no, 332 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: he's not here for them, okay, because there's only a 333 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: couple of rooms up at the top of the house 334 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: and he had to walk past all those things to 335 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: get to us, so he'd seen them and ignored them. 336 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: And we've heard him methodically come up the stairs, very calm, 337 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: And then I watched I was sitting on the floor 338 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: and I watched the door handle to our bedroom turn 339 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: once kind of like a like he tested it and 340 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: it was locked. Um, and he spent. But I just thought, 341 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: this is not happening. I had to tell dispatch, like, 342 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: he's at our bedroom door and I think, as I said, 343 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: and he's trying to open it. The guy started, he 344 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't yell. Brandon said to him, don't come in here. 345 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: We could you come here and hear something really bad 346 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: is going to happen, and the guy told him to 347 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: go fuck himself. UM, and I just dreamed at the guy, 348 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what that was gonna do. You just 349 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: get taught in Catholic school to be very loud and 350 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: someone's something terrible to you. And he very calmly said 351 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: you're going to open the door. Open the door, and 352 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: then spent the next I think it was only eleven 353 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: minutes that it took the police to get there, thank goodness, 354 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: just trying everything he could to get in and hitting 355 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: it and kicking it, and we had to screw the 356 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: door back together afterwards. And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm 357 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: watching the door like start to bow in from what 358 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: he was doing. And Brandon was very calm called our 359 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: neighbor Trey, who's wonderful and came running over his ex military, 360 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: an ex policeman, um, and so he was on his 361 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: way over as well, and I'm looking at the door 362 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: and I'm listening to it. It was making this cracking 363 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 1: noise like when you hear would snap and splinter, and 364 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh my god, he's he's going to get in, 365 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: and I'm going to have to do where both going 366 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: to have to do something terrible so that he doesn't 367 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: take my whole world away and Brandon, Um, it was 368 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: just and I've had my life threatened before, UM, so 369 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: that kind of boundary with they had already been broken 370 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and that was it was rough. But having Brandon's life threatened, 371 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: that was a whole other thing. And I used to 372 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: feel really terrible about the things that I knew that 373 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: I would do if somebody hurt him, um to try 374 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: and stop them. And I don't feel bad anymore. It 375 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: was something that just kind of changed just and all 376 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like a movie that I wasn't getting 377 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: paid to be in, which was frankly just rude. We 378 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: heard that we could hear the sirens that they were 379 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: just too far away. They're not going to get here 380 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: in time. The door is cracking. And they got there 381 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: and everything just stopped, like we heard the cruise just 382 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: pulled next to the driveway. Everything stopped and went very quiet, 383 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: and the guy went answered the door for him, thought 384 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: for the place and what. Yeah, they removed him that 385 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: He tried to tell them that it was his place 386 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: and that they should go away, and made a big 387 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: fuss about they were infringing upon his rights and it 388 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 1: was his property so that he could come back and 389 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: finish doing what he was going to do. Um. But thankfully, Yeah, 390 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: it was that. It was just as the door was 391 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: starting to give. It was really very strange. Um. And 392 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: so we were up until I think four o'clock in 393 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: the morning with the sergeants. That detectives and sergeants. They 394 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: were so lovely and our neighbor was so so wonderful, 395 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: both of our neighbors. Yes, huge, huge thanks too. They 396 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: were incredible and they were amazing. They were It would 397 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: have taken them half an hour to get to us. 398 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: It was only that one of the officers that UM 399 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: a mistake on his roster and he thought he was 400 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: off that night, and I guess one of the other 401 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: blokes called him and said, night, where are you, and 402 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: he was like, Hi, I'm off and they're like, no, 403 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: you're not. And he got into his cruise and he 404 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: lives two miles from us, so he got into his 405 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: car and as he sat down, alcohol came in. And 406 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: the reason he got to us so fast. Yeah, they 407 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: would have it would have been another twenty minutes, and 408 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, it would have been. It was like 409 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: eleven minutes, like from the time we called nine one 410 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: one to the time that the police removed him. And 411 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: the nine one one dispatcher was was wonderful. I don't 412 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: know her name, but thank you if you're listening. Ah. 413 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: So we had a we had a right two days later, yeah, 414 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: I think. So that was Sunday night, and I think 415 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: that I think writing session with Sean McConnell was Wednesday 416 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: at eleven am. I think it was either Tuesday or Wednesday, 417 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: and we drove out to his studio and he was, yeah, 418 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: produce our record, and so we were just writing for 419 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: the record. But we were just shredded, like lately, just 420 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: a mess. And it's been a couple of days of 421 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: dealing with everything. They hadn't I hadn't like burst into 422 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: tears yet or like neither of usn't really crapped yet. Yeah, there, 423 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was just shocked. And so we pulled 424 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: into the driveway and Player just sort of melts and uh, 425 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: you know, and and I was like, you know, Sean 426 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: will be in in a minute, and just give us 427 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: a second. So anyway, we we went in the studio 428 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: and he was just Sean and every day she's just 429 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: brilliant and sweet and and wonderful. And so we made 430 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: a pot of coffee and we sat down on the 431 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: studio and and just talked and he said, you know, 432 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: he's like, guys, I can't believe you're even here, and uh, 433 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those decisions that we 434 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: were just kind of like, you know what, we're not 435 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: gonna like this rob us of you know, of what 436 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: we're here to do, you know. And we're thrilled to 437 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: be making a record with Sean, and we're thrilled to 438 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: get to write songs with him, and and you know, 439 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: and so we're not going to be robbed of those 440 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: experience experiences. And so we probably talked for two or 441 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: three hours not I mean, I was not feeling creative 442 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: at all, and Claire sort of had these this percolating 443 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: idea that she sort of was tossing out into the 444 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: room and and uh, maybe two or three hours in 445 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: she said something and Sean picked up the guitar and 446 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: started picking and said, you know, but if it goes 447 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: a little something like this, And within an hour we 448 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: had written the song. And yeah, it's it's really honest. 449 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: It's a very honest song. That's one of those moments 450 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: where Chipped like you was saying, something happened and you 451 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: know that should be a song. Really happened like that 452 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: most of the time with us, So it was difficult 453 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: to be sitting there and I'm thinking, like I usually 454 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: write about whatever we've been talking about in the session, 455 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: where there might be an idea that you've been holding 456 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: onto something like that, and it may have come from 457 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: one of those experiences where you're like, oh, that needs 458 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: to be a song, but I could agree about it 459 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: first or whatever. Um. But sitting there, I felt so 460 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: useless and uncreative and it was like, I have, this 461 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: is the only idea I have, and I don't know 462 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: if it's anything, And it's okay if we don't write 463 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: anything today, um, but I just I have no words 464 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe what just happened to us, and for 465 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: no good reason whatsoever, and that's what they picked up 466 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: one and there was a mad team effort from there 467 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: on in. But it created this song that we're really 468 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: proud of, UM, and the more we sing it on 469 00:27:54,520 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: stage two, whether it's like thousands of people or like, 470 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, two hundred and fifty at the City Wineries, 471 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of I don't know if it's 472 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: healing or something else, that you start to understand about 473 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: your own experience that happens UM, And I guess it 474 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: was a couple of shows in on the first tour 475 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: we did out after it happened that we realized that 476 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: it can actually become a vehicle for anybody out there 477 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: who might be struggling with something that they don't know 478 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: how to talk about and something somebody did. UM. We've 479 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: done so much trauma therapy over what happened. It has 480 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: become a vehicle for us to say, like, it's it's 481 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: not weak to talk about your feelings and the things 482 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: that terrified you and the things that hurt you. It's 483 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: really brave and really strong. So proud of Brandon for 484 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: all of the all of the sessions that you've done 485 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: really really intense trauma therapy because it was I mean 486 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: it was the end was like it was him or 487 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: us and that's terrible. But Um, if something good can 488 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: come out of something so horrible, it's being able to 489 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: let other people know that it's it's a good thing 490 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: to go and talk about for things that you need 491 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: to talk about. And he'll probably you know yeah, I 492 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: mean shift when you listen to that, are you like, uh, 493 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: Kelly is like freaking out right now really my motto 494 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: for life. I'm just like, that's exactly why I want 495 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: to do this podcast. It's I agree with you. I 496 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: think it's the bravest thing that any of us can do. 497 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: And to face the hard feelings and not just you know, 498 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: suppress them. That was the big reason we picked that 499 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: this theme for this month even was just to really, um, 500 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, kind of embrace the things we've all gone through. 501 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: And I love that you guys are utilizing your creativity 502 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: to put it out there to the world and as 503 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: a healing experience for both you and us as listeners. UM, 504 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: tell the listeners what else they can look forward to 505 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: musically from you guys coming up up. Oh my goodness, Well, 506 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: we have the whole record coming out and we really 507 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: sing it in bits and pieces. Do we know that yet? Well, Chip, 508 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: as you know, it's a brave world putting out music, 509 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: and uh you know, we thankfully have the wonderful, brilliant 510 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: Susan Bank to uh to guide and direct us. But 511 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: as what I know is the Dangerous Love comes out 512 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: in November. I know at some point the rest of 513 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: the record is going to come out. There may be 514 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: another single to follow, but um, you know, I'm I'm 515 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: just along for the ride. Yeah, you're like, I'm going 516 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: to write the songs, you guys figure the rest out 517 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: making the record with Jowan McConnell um. So we're really 518 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: excited for that to come out, and we're like looking 519 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: towards tour dates and things like that. I just came 520 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: a film set, so I'm I'm still like friedad. There 521 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: was a Christmas movie coming out next month, really excited 522 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: about it. It's called hashtag Christmas and I read the 523 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: title and was like, oh read this was like, Oh 524 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: it's so lovely. I love Christmas movies. I think they're beautiful. Yes, 525 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: it was really fun. I just came back from filming 526 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: in Canada. That was lovely. I'm just still like in 527 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: the middle of re entries. I'm just weird and crispy 528 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: from you know, sixteen hours of days on set a 529 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: day on set for you know, however long it was. 530 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: But we're we've actually started the next project. We've been 531 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: writing UM with. Well, am I allowed to know, I'm 532 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: not I'm not like scratch that right, it comes out 533 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: twenty something, Okay, Yeah, it was really really fun to 534 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: do UM. But would just I think the music industry 535 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: is such an evolving and shifting creature. You can release 536 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of singles UM, or we can release 537 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: the entire album. We're not sure which one we're doing 538 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: right now. There are just a few things that we're 539 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: looking at but may or may not fall into place, 540 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: so that will dictate more of like the schedule of 541 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: releasing things things like that. A little about that, Yeah, 542 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: well we can always and you know, you guys know 543 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: I always link social media platforms and the descriptions of 544 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: these podcasts. So I'll put both of you guys individual 545 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: pages as well as bo and Young page and we'll 546 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: just stay tuned for the updates wonderful, Thank you so much. 547 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: I do, and I know we have to go because 548 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: we're out of time, but I did, Chip and I 549 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: came up with a couple of rapid fire questions and 550 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: we were wondering if you guys would rate on a 551 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: level of fear these moments in your life, like, were 552 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: they as zero to attend of fear and what was 553 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: the one thing you said to yourself to get through 554 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: that fear in this moment. So the first one we 555 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: have is for Brandon proposing at the Opry, what was 556 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: your level of fear that day? Uh? One? Just you know, 557 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't nervous. You know, Nashville is the 558 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: hardest place on the planet for me to play live music. 559 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: Nashville is Nashville. So any time you're playing in Nashville, 560 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: it can be a bit nerve racking because you're surrounded 561 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: by your peers, by people who are quite frankly, just 562 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: better than you are at what you know that at 563 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: the at writing songs and singing and playing and all 564 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: that stuff. Um. But the Grand but the Grand old 565 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Opry is a special and special like interesting kind of 566 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: place in Nashville that just feels like home and it's 567 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: so welcoming, So you know, I guess there would be 568 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of like nerves about the fact that 569 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is like a huge life moment, 570 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask the love of my life to 571 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: marry me. But all in all, it was more just 572 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: excitement and and just being thrilled to get to experience 573 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: this all, you know, together at the opry and then 574 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: hopefully she said yes, and she did, yeah, sort of, 575 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: she said it after she said a couple of um, Claire, 576 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: you posed nude for allure back in the day in 577 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: a in a spread called The Naked Truth about empowering 578 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: women with their bodies. What was your level of fear 579 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: for that? Really? I don't know. I had very very 580 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: long hand so that, you know, Yeah, there are the 581 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: important bits that people get fussy about, and I don't know. 582 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: I think when you maybe it's being in me, being 583 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: in theater or being in hospital a lot. You kind 584 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: of there is a level of self awareness, and I 585 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: don't maybe self consciousness. I was like, well, this thing's 586 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: not gonna look this good forever, so I might as 587 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 1: well make fun, have fun with it. And I'm I'm 588 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: the first person to make fun of myself. There's nothing 589 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: anybody can say about any of the surgical scars that 590 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: I've got that could offend me. And actually talked to 591 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: the people who were taking That was Patrick Demaetia, who 592 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: passed away from something, who was taking the pictures um 593 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: and I said to him, please don't let them edit 594 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: out my scars, please, because to show that a body 595 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: is beautiful when perfect and it's missing pieces and you know, 596 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: I've got some pretty Narli stuff happening. Now. Yeah, that 597 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: was actually I don't know. I guess it was supposed 598 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: to be empowering, but it was. I guess that wasn't 599 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: it sounds like it. I think that's empowering. You embrace yourself. Yeah. 600 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,959 Speaker 1: I sat down with the the person who was interviewing us, 601 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: or like one of the people, and she said, so, 602 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: did you go on a special diet to do this? 603 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: And I was like no, I literally had had ice 604 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: cream for breakfast. I'm so jealous. Well, I mean, I 605 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: get it, But then she said, what's the part of 606 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: your body that you hate the most? What would you change? 607 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: It was a really weird word to Frisen. I was like, well, 608 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: I'd like my fucking kidney back if I could have that, right. See, 609 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: that's that's what you got from your young childhood experience. 610 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe an appreciation for your body and the 611 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: fact that that our bodies do the things they do 612 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: every day, Like it's so amazing. It's amazing. This thing 613 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: is like an old car. It's like you replace one 614 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: bit that puts pressure on the other bits and then 615 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: something breaks down. You just have to be really gentle 616 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: with it and roughly and it's all good around and 617 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: scary and Patrick was lovely. So yeah, that's amazing. Okay, 618 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: Brandon showing up to Nashville with a guitar that you 619 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: didn't quite know how to play, what was your level 620 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: of fear? Um? I would say there was a there 621 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: was a good amount of fear. Yeah, you know that 622 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: at least an eight, eight or nine out of ten. 623 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: You know, it's a to move to a town or 624 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody, um, not knowing what I was doing, 625 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: not having a song. You know. I think some people 626 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: would just say it was I was an idiot, you know, 627 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: I was just stupid, you know. Um, But yeah, I 628 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: mean that that was well. At the same time, I 629 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: also didn't know any better, so there was sort of 630 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: this like, you know, I don't know. I was just 631 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: kind of floating around, going I don't really know what 632 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: I'm getting into, and there's I don't know any of 633 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: the rules, so I'm just making it up as I 634 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: go along. So in a lot of ways, I've sort 635 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: of felt like an impostor for twenty two years and 636 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: then just faking it till I make it, you know, 637 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: and uh, and knowing that you know, making it what 638 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: even what does that even mean? Making it is this 639 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: sort of moving target. I've been here twenty two years, 640 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: and to look back, there are some beautiful things that 641 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: that I have had the opportunity to accomplish, but I 642 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: still feel like I haven't even scratched the surface of 643 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: what I want to do. Yeah, I think the I 644 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: think you're incredibly brave. Firstly, but when John Carter asked 645 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: you to finish his father's song, Brandon came home and 646 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: he's got these two little spots of like pink that 647 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: happened on his cheeks. When he's next he came on, 648 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: he was very pink. I'm like, what the funk happened 649 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: to you? I'm cloud of just asked me to finish 650 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: one of the Forever Words songs, which is a compilation 651 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: of pieces of writing that John Carter had found that 652 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: Johnny Cash had not finished. He whittled them down to 653 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: maybe from thousands to maybe two and asked Brandon to 654 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: finish one's that was incredibly right. It was a moment 655 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: for sure, that's yeah. Yeah, And I just hear a 656 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of two. And I was kind of touching on 657 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: this earlier, but in overcoming fear, it's just like, what's 658 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: the next right step and like just keep going, you know. 659 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: And I hear a lot of that in the story, 660 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: and it's like I love that idea that there isn't 661 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: some finish line that you're going to get to that's 662 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: going to be like, oh and now I've made it. 663 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: It's just all part of the journey. Yeah, like I 664 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: have arrived, right. We all think that though, you know, 665 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: like the we're in our head, we're like when I 666 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: get to that moment, and then if you do get 667 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 1: to that moment, it's sort of like you've already forgotten 668 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: about that moment because you're onto the next moment. And 669 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: it's so I love the idea of just I'm just 670 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: on the journey. I'm gonna keep going and um figuring 671 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: it out as you go. I think we all are 672 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: doing that. I really do. Yeah, and do the work, 673 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, really? Yes? I read Nick Cave wrote in 674 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: yesterday's install one of the Red Hand Files that you know, 675 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: inspiration comes because I put in the work. And you know, 676 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're going to get up every day 677 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: and just feel like you're walking on a cloud of 678 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: inspiration and you just want to write this next song. 679 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just force yourself to put a guitar in 680 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: your hands and a pencil in your hand, and you 681 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: write for the exercise of writing, and you put in 682 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: the work. And you know, I think being prepared. The 683 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: only way to be prepared is to put in the work. Yeah, yeah, Claire. 684 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 1: My next question was gonna be from when you moved 685 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: from Australia to the US. I think you've kind of 686 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: already answered how scary that was because you said you 687 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: were like hibernating in a little cottage to get away 688 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: from everyone. But what do you think the moment, what 689 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: was the shift that you felt in changing that narrative 690 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: for you of like, Okay, this isn't gonna be scary anymore, 691 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to lean in. Oh, it happened gradually. Uh. 692 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: I've went through some stuff in two thousand and fourteen 693 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: that almost killed me, and I had to address why 694 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I deserved to be treated any 695 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: better than being treated. Um. And I didn't know what 696 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: survivors guilt was. I didn't know. I hadn't like no 697 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: one gives you therapy after childhood cancer, not not and 698 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: these like um, when I got better, when like now 699 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: there are these wonderful organizations like Guilder's Club that we 700 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: we do events for and we love them, who support 701 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: a whole like the spectrum of a family and friendship 702 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: group who have been affected by cancer. Like there's the 703 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,439 Speaker 1: person who has cancer, then there's the person who's taking 704 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: care of the person who has cancer. Then there's the 705 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: person taken care of the person. Like you know what 706 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean? There was there was none of that. My 707 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 1: parents were handed this tiny little pamphlet that was basically 708 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: like your child was dying. Um, so the operative was 709 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: just survived. When all you're doing is surviving, you're basically 710 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,760 Speaker 1: living on like fear hormones and you know, cheap food. 711 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: Because I was broke um. But coming here my whole 712 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: life it changed, and I met so many I met 713 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: my doctor who has helped me so much with all 714 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: the post effects of the chemo stuff that no one 715 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: no one talked about, um, no one talked about being 716 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,280 Speaker 1: one of the only children on my ward who lived, 717 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: and so addressing all of that stuff and figuring out 718 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: why I didn't like myself or why I thought as 719 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: long as I'm breathing, it's fine, and it's a really 720 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: unhealthy way to think. It was that. So it was 721 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I avoided Brandon for a 722 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: really long time because I've been through this terrible thing 723 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to I knew I was really 724 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: messed up, and I didn't want to get any of 725 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 1: it on him. So I did a lot of work, 726 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: um to address why certain things had happened, not that 727 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: they were my fault, but how to learning how to 728 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: love myself because I knew that he had been through 729 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: some really bad stuff, and like I wasn't I already 730 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: loved him so much. I wasn't about to allow anybody, 731 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,959 Speaker 1: not even me, to hurt him ever again. Um. So yeah, 732 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: that was doing the work part was pretty scary, but 733 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: also at the other end of it, you're like, I 734 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: have the manual for life. Feel with that now, So 735 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. Fear is not I don't really even 736 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: fear death. I don't never have. What I fear is 737 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: m missing out like being with my family and being 738 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: with him. That's that's my greatest fear. Like when you're 739 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: on a plane it's really king like ship and you're 740 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: saying Hail Marys and stuff. I think I'm not. I'm like, 741 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: I'm not getting able to feel if this thing goes down, 742 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: but I'm going to miss out, then I don't want to. 743 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss I'm with them, so I'm 744 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know. That was an annoying, roundabout 745 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: answer to that question. So it was beautiful. I think 746 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: it's actually the perfect place to end, because fear loses 747 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: its power when we just embrace all the things we 748 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: have to be grateful for. And I'll denover on this. 749 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: So you guys were so fun to talk to. Thank 750 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: you so much for being here with us. I think, Chiven, 751 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: I could ask you a million questions, but we won't 752 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: take any more of your time. Thank you. That cops 753 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: looks so comfortable, by the way, it's cozy up in 754 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,720 Speaker 1: the music room. And yeah, my parents last night in Nashville. 755 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: We were part for about three years because of the pandemic. 756 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: So we're going to take them to our favorite pub, 757 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: have some dinner. And yes, oh, we're going to keep 758 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: up you guys. Follow Bowen Young on instats at bow 759 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: and Young, and I will link everyone's Instagram page, will 760 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: link the website. We'll keep up. I can't wait to 761 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: see what you guys do and what is um to 762 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: come for the rest of the year and everything. Thanks 763 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: again for being here with us. Thank you so much, 764 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll see you guys around Nashville. Yeah, we 765 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:03,399 Speaker 1: would love that. Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge 766 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone has a 767 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: little velvet and a little edge. Subscribe for more conversations 768 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: on life, style, beauty, and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever 769 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.