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Speaker 1: I listened to the Black Guy You Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and carried the hut. Hey, welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Black Auttils podcast. I'm your host, Rod, joined

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Speaker 1: us always by my co host, and we're live on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday, YEP. Ready to do some podcasts and to

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Speaker 1: wrap up, kind of wrap up our week. We won't

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Speaker 1: see you guys again till Saturday if you're a freeloader.

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Speaker 2: But we're not here alone. We have a guest.

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Speaker 1: A person wrote in and said like, hey, Rod, I

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Speaker 1: love your review of Sinners, but also here are my thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And they felt very random thoughts.

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Speaker 1: It felt like they were journaling, but they were writing

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Speaker 1: the podcast, you know, like oh this thing and remember

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Speaker 1: when this happened in Centers. And then they said I

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Speaker 1: was waiting on you and BOSSI to do this too

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Speaker 1: much about it? And I was like, damn, we haven't brushed,

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Speaker 1: you know, the dust off of this too much in

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Speaker 1: a minute. But obviously I'm down, she's down whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll ask. And then I asked BOSSI, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Bossy, you have a podcast. Bossy got

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Speaker 1: a whole lass podcast and didn't even tell us.

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Speaker 2: And you don't promote it very much.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't.

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Speaker 1: You you suck at it. I'm sorry to tell you

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Speaker 1: you are not good at promoting. And you know, Bossi's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, also, you know I don't my podcast partner,

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Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about it yet. I'm like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I have a podcast. Yes, we could just

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Speaker 1: come on the bigger, the main podcast and introduce y'all

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Speaker 1: to I want it, and then they know you got

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Speaker 1: a podcast, and then they'll definitely want to hear you,

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Speaker 1: because half of them are just like I came over

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Speaker 1: from this too much and I stayed to hear what

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Speaker 1: y'all think about other shit.

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Speaker 3: So let me do this introduction real quick, okay.

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Speaker 1: First of all, co host of The Idea of Podcast,

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Speaker 1: award winning singer Best Female Actor in the Motion Picture

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Speaker 1: ninety seven to Best Coach Supporting Actors twenty sixteen offences

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Speaker 1: along with Viola Davis, Golden Globe winner, future VP candidate

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty eight, an author of I'm Telling the

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Speaker 1: Truth but Online available for order Amazon, Barns and Noble Books,

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Speaker 1: A Million and any Bound, and Mike, what's up y'all

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Speaker 1: y'all doing? I just met Mike. I don't know all

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Speaker 1: Mike's stuff.

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Speaker 3: Give us some time running this down on you too.

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Speaker 4: It's all good, random nigga, ain't Mike is good? I

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Speaker 4: ything you call me. It's all good. It's all good.

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Speaker 4: And there's way too many it's too much. Michael Andrews

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Speaker 4: ed D. I don't need all that that's googleed ind

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Speaker 4: that I to do that. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I feel bad because he just wants people to know

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Speaker 5: that he's a doctor.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't want anybody to know that.

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Speaker 1: But when they say when they say ed doctor, now,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it means some different to people.

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Speaker 4: See, umunderstand I'm the doctor of the Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 3: Uh well, let me.

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Speaker 2: Ask you all this.

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Speaker 1: First of all, how did you come up with the

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Speaker 1: idea of the idea of podcasts?

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Speaker 5: Take Mike?

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Speaker 4: All right? So yeah, yeah, So for for a while

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Speaker 4: I had I had a podcast years ago called The

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Speaker 4: Idea of Manhood, and that's kind of always been my

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Speaker 4: platform that I've used just talking about men's issues. I

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Speaker 4: started right after I became a dad. My son is eighteen.

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Speaker 4: I started like the concept of the idea of manhood.

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Speaker 4: My son's eighteen, and I started the podcast probably when

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Speaker 4: he was six or seven or eight around that timeframe,

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Speaker 4: and it kind of went came and went, you know,

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Speaker 4: and long story less long, my son and Bossy's son

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Speaker 4: were on the same soccer team in Maryland and so

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Speaker 4: we met each other mad long ago. There's also other connections,

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Speaker 4: like we were I was following BOSSI on Twitter, didn't

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Speaker 4: and our son it was and when we made it

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Speaker 4: all come together and she told me years ago on

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Speaker 4: the sideline, like yo, yeah, I might be thinking about

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Speaker 4: a podcast. I have an extra mic for you. We

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Speaker 4: literally met at like a burned down target somewhere.

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Speaker 2: And burned out.

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Speaker 5: It's still right there.

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Speaker 4: The story was better when it was burned down because

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Speaker 4: She gave me a red podcast mic in a plastic bag.

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Speaker 4: It's literally in like a Walmart. It wasn't even a

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Speaker 4: Target bag. It was a Walmart bag and that.

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Speaker 5: Was like my drug.

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Speaker 3: Now that's why she handed it to you in the bag.

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Speaker 1: Well, it should It makes sense also because I do

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Speaker 1: feel like it should be illegal to give new podcast

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Speaker 1: mics out. So no, they haven't been used, like we

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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, and that was the start of the idea

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Speaker 4: of manhood and then that ended and then we just reconnected.

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Speaker 4: Uh you know, we kind of stayed in contact through

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Speaker 4: our sons. They both play soccer, they're both going to

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Speaker 4: in contact and Box it was like, yeah, let's let's

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Speaker 4: and because it's just so much could we curse on here? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's what you do.

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Speaker 4: I've heard, I've heard you. I just want to make

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Speaker 2: I'm a guest take the shoes off.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's just so much bull fit. In the podcast

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Speaker 4: face man, we were just you know, listening to a

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Speaker 4: lot of the same shows, and you know, folks were

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Speaker 4: just talking about stuff, I think specifically the Kendrick and

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Speaker 4: Like people are you know, playing dumb, being dumb and

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Speaker 4: just there was no nuance in any of the conversations. Uh,

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Speaker 4: And and Bossy and I were like we could like,

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Speaker 4: you know, Vossi is an animal on the microphone, just

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Speaker 4: her per it takes you know, all all day all balls,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I'm just okay. And so we came

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Speaker 4: together and it's been, it's been, it's been amazing so far.

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Speaker 5: Well, just to add to that, we were going back

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Speaker 4: It's like a right.

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Speaker 5: Whole episodes and yeah, and I've been wanting to like,

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Speaker 5: I love I love this too much, but all of

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Speaker 5: our shows left, and I love popping in every once

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Speaker 5: in a while. But as much as Rod says you

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Speaker 5: can come back whenever you want, you can. It was

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Speaker 5: like an everyday thing where I was like, I have

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Speaker 5: this is the thing about me and Mike. We agree

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Speaker 5: and then we don't. So there's like a like a

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Speaker 5: it's fun. It's fun. It's it's good to to have, uh.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, you guys know an outlet when things

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Speaker 5: Another reason was like I just wasn't on Twitter anymore,

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Speaker 5: so all the things that I would usually tweet, I

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Speaker 5: to talk about them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a very I think it's a

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Speaker 1: very healthy thing because I think everyone does need an outlive.

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Speaker 1: But far too often our outlets are like these the

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Speaker 1: things we're saying are just helping monetize somebody else's bullshit,

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Speaker 1: and they're not interested in like what you have to

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Speaker 1: say going out to people as much as they're interested

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Speaker 1: in interaction. So like, you know, I you know, there's

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Speaker 3: Twitter, What the fuck do you see all this?

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Speaker 1: And it's like yeah, and it's like, oh yeah, that

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Speaker 1: form podcast the way you guys break things down I

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Speaker 1: everything's so service level. It's honestly, they're kind of seeking

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Speaker 1: hopefully this clip gets people mad enough that they'll watch

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Speaker 1: it even if they hate my guts, because I don't

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Speaker 1: like that y'all show doesn't do that, and so that's

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Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the reasons I and you

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Speaker 1: like this is earnestly how people feel. And even like

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Speaker 1: I said, even when it's like a disagreement or whatever,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's like, that's genuinely that's a genuine disagreement

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Speaker 1: at least like sometimes you watch, you know, like you

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Speaker 1: watch these clips online. It's like, let's bring in Mark

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Speaker 1: earth is flat, and you're like, that's not a genuine disagreement,

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Speaker 1: y'all orchestrated bringing a smart person in so you would

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Speaker 1: have fights, so you would sell the fights to me.

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Speaker 2: On my fucking timeline. And I don't I never feel.

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Speaker 5: Don't no, don't make that face looking. It's different than

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Speaker 5: that's different than what you said. You said that everybody's acting.

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Speaker 5: All of it is fake. Itsh doesn't really believe the

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Speaker 5: earth is flat. That is different than let's yeah, I

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Speaker 5: That is completely different.

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Speaker 1: I don't completely them clips of ish. There's no actor

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Speaker 1: that that good. There's no actor. I think they believe

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Speaker 1: that there's no actor. You can give instructions and be like,

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Speaker 1: and then when he gets when they turned the MIC's off,

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Speaker 1: issues back to like line up, please, oh thank you.

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Speaker 1: I went to Juilliard like now that motherfucker believed.

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Speaker 5: That they believe it too, exactly exactly all right.

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Speaker 1: I would listen. I worked with I worked on TV,

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Speaker 1: and I worked with actors, and I'm telling you nobody's good.

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Speaker 4: That good.

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Speaker 3: I wish I wish it was able to do some

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Speaker 1: You'd be like here's a here's like Curby enthusiasm, like

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Speaker 1: here's your the general scene we want to have is this,

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Speaker 1: but you were that require me to believe in the

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Speaker 1: confidence of Joe Budden a lot. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff that would have to happen.

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Speaker 3: Was to find out like is was actually smart and

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Speaker 3: was like, oh no, no, of course I don't believe

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Speaker 3: that bullshit. I'm like, oh, and don't think that.

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Speaker 5: The entire world to think I'm an idiot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be comfortable walking down the street like

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Speaker 1: that because everybody wouldn't know it's an act. When you

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Speaker 1: see male out, you don't think this nigga on Drake Dick.

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Speaker 1: There's no way. People are like, nah, he just he

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Speaker 2: He don't really believe that.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I when I saw that its ship?

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Speaker 2: A bigger bubble. I gotta get, you know, got to

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Speaker 1: They're like, we need to have conversations that are stupid

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Speaker 1: If isshes my homie but he looks stupid, we're just

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make his I'm gonna let him be stupid

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Speaker 3: Y'all doing.

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Speaker 2: What's y'all favorite episode of your show you've done so far?

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Speaker 1: No I hear I could hear you because I've talked

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Speaker 3: Like what fucking podcast?

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Speaker 4: Public? Please thank you?

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Speaker 5: What shocks me though. It's like I'll be talking to

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00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 5: Rose I talked to Rod digerally every single day and

440
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 5: he'll be like, oh, and I was like when did

441
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 5: I say that? He's like, I'm listening to your podcast. Yeah, okay, right, right, right, right, man,

442
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 5: It's gonna take me a minute. I told you Yester today,

443
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 5: like I'm what I need to work right up to

444
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 5: and I'm getting there.

445
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: How to turn her camera on? Like what is? Did

446
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 4: you agree to this? That's all I got up.

447
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: Here, that's all hers.

448
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: She's like, listen, I'm busting out of my shell. Let's

449
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: get this second, ask about it and doing my best.

450
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: If you like this too much, okay, I feel like

451
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: you'll love the idea of you know, if I'm if

452
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm the Kendrick Lamar of uh Bossi's male podcast co host,

453
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: then obviously Elon Musk would be Drake. I mean Elon

454
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: would be Drake, right, and then Mike, that makes you

455
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: j Cole, which you can't take as an insult because

456
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: you think he great, so you can't that's not so.

457
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: There you go, all.

458
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 5: Right, you can have that because I don't want to.

459
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 4: So you got it. Listen, You're gonna start a war

460
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: in the UH over there now, everybody.

461
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 5: Everybody agrees with me.

462
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: Rod. You heard the story, right, You heard the episode

463
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: where BOSSI went like off the rails.

464
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I would not characterize it as her going off the rails.

465
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 3: As I was agreeing with.

466
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, gang Gang. I think I think Future

467
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: would be over Cole. If we're talking about who who

468
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 1: people are saying are the most three influential rappers of

469
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: this of this era.

470
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: I think Future is more influential than J Cole.

471
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, you would, I would say J

472
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Cole a lot of his impact is about being one

473
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: a one on one Like he's not imitatable. Uh, he's

474
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: not trying to start a movement. He does his festival

475
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: and he definitely support North Carolina rappers.

476
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: So I'm not like he.

477
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: I think he's a dude that thinks of his community

478
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm not saying that part, but just

479
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think J Cole was even

480
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: trying to be like what Future is or or biggest drake. Yeah,

481
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: and I don't no offense, but I don't think he

482
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: got it to be like Kendrick. Like Kendrick, that PG

483
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: Lane all that ship, the different the politic er that

484
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: ship is that ship different, Like it's not supposed to

485
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: be no conscious rappers big as Kendrick. That's just that,

486
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: It's just that's an anomaly exactly. It's like when Nas

487
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: is talking about, like, you know, trying to make he

488
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: tried to make club songs, and it was like, it's

489
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: not gonna work because you're one of one in a

490
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: different way. If we measure you by jay Z numbers,

491
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: where you're gonna come up short.

492
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: So just be you.

493
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: And now he's lean into being like nas the poet

494
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: old nigga, And I'm like, that's a perfect lane. And

495
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: I think j Co is in the perfect lane for him.

496
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wouldn't.

497
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little, a little uncomfortable.

498
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: He want to he want to brag, and he want

499
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: to do all the big boy ship. But then like

500
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he really want to

501
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: be friends with everybody.

502
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 7: He not.

503
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: He not a hard soul soul like that.

504
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: He's not. He doesn't.

505
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: He don't want to live in beef. He don't want

506
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: like he make raps.

507
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: That shit bothered him. He don't want to live in beef.

508
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: He made before this whole beef ship, he was making

509
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: raps like hey, young rap nigga, stop shooting each other.

510
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

511
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: He was the only nigga saying that, y'all, it's crazy

512
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: that we're old enough.

513
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: He the only nigga saying that it should be a

514
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: lot of old heads looking out for the young people

515
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: because they was killing the fuck out each other.

516
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and he the only one like, hey, maybe.

517
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 3: He really shooting each other.

518
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like, you know, I'm halfway

519
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: between nuns, halfway between young thug.

520
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: We should all not shoot each other and can't.

521
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: We just get long? Yeah?

522
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: But Mike, I know you want to retort about how

523
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: great he is, So go ahead.

524
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: Do you think I can't even I'm having a hard

525
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: time here, Guys, I don't. I don't like the level

526
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 4: of blaspheme is so hot. I don't even impact future.

527
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: I don't even like me neither that compares. Yeah, so

528
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: what are we talking about?

529
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: Because it's not Mike, it's not my list. It's the

530
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: list of what I'm analyzed. It's like me saying.

531
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: It's like if I said I don't like Luka Doncic,

532
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: and then you was like, name the top five NBA

533
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: players and I just left them out because I don't

534
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: like him. That's crazy, Like, no, obviously this nigga get

535
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: on my nerves.

536
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: But he top five, that's future to me. I do

537
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: not like future music.

538
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 5: He number three not allow by the same metrics that

539
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 5: allows Drake to be on the list, Future should be

540
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 5: on the list as well. Like that's that's it. I'm

541
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 5: not I can't name maybe wait, no masks, that's him

542
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 5: right or mask off right, I don't know. I tolerate

543
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 5: Future to get to Kendrick's versus.

544
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 4: I like that.

545
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: That's the most future I've ever heard ever in my life.

546
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: I don't know anything else about it, but I know

547
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 5: enough to know that he has influenced a bunch of

548
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 5: other these niggas that I don't listen to. Yep, yeah,

549
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 5: and I gotta give them that.

550
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: And it's crazy.

551
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for cold Cold not imitatble like that he didn't

552
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: spawn a bunch of wanna be ass day colds because

553
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: I think a lot of niggas looked at him like

554
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: I can't do that whatever.

555
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: It just was like, but I.

556
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Can fucking auto tune my voice and say I smoke

557
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: all types of pro methazines and shit like fuck that

558
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm about to get this money.

559
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: Right, But it's technically proficient, and that's great my only.

560
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: Whenever I talk about rappers, whenever I talk about MC's,

561
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: I would say ninety five percent of what I'm talking

562
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: about is just bars. It's just lyrics, how they put

563
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 4: words together. It might not even necessarily be content. It's

564
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: really just how they rap periodic, which is the only

565
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: reason why I even I don't I don't even want

566
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: to say the D word. Let's just focus on Cole.

567
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: Cole is an elite level rapper, and I was headging

568
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: my black I was walking the tightrope with coal, like

569
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 4: the Big Three conversation. And I told this story on

570
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: our podcast, like literally the month before the beef started,

571
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 4: my son and I were in a soccer tournament in Tampa, Florida,

572
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: and we just happened to be there the night of

573
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: Cole and Drake's concert, and it was like a perfect thing.

574
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: Like my son, he's at the time, he was seventeen,

575
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: of course he loves Drake and Cole, and I was like,

576
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: all right, let's go, let's go see Cole. And I was,

577
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: you know, I was expecting Cole to be what how

578
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: y'all describe him, which is, you know, the guy on

579
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: stage with the weird cutoff jeans, the unnecessarily baggy shirt,

580
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: the runover sneakers, like trying to look like BOSSI calls

581
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: him the rapper on campus. That's what I was just

582
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 4: and he did look like that. But the way that

583
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: dad Man controlled the crowd and lyrically just barred us down.

584
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: Like even my son seventeen years old, who's that lyrics

585
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: are not necessarily his guy his guy post, he was like, yo,

586
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: Cole is nasty and we just left there.

587
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 5: Literally, y'all were tired from the soccer tournament because there's

588
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: nothing they are. I'm hearing you and there's just nothing.

589
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 5: You know, when you see like a Maxwell performance and

590
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 5: he's like doing the splits and like there's no Maxwell

591
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: song that makes this make sense?

592
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: Right?

593
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 5: I don't like I love hip hop, I love lyrics.

594
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 5: I love all the stuff that you mentioned. I cannot

595
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: remember the name of a Cold song, let alone a lyric.

596
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, You see like this is

597
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: this is crazy?

598
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: Like I'm not.

599
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I'm between both of you because

600
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: I do like j Car. I do respect this talent.

601
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: I do think he has an incredible Mike presence, and

602
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: a big part of his ship is that he does

603
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: ship by himself, and that's like the boost that he

604
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: gets that from his fans that other people don't understand

605
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: because they're like.

606
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Why is that a big deal?

607
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, man, nigga with that type

608
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: of style not supposed to be able to have a

609
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: crowd in his hand. It's just he's a very like

610
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: even the fact that he sang all his on hugs,

611
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: you know that, the no features thing, it's a real thing.

612
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm from North Carolina. That was very fucking impressive. You're

613
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: not really co signed by anyone. You don't have any

614
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: fucking big names on your goddamn album. Every song just

615
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: you and you went platinum. Yeah, okay, bro, I respect

616
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: that shit that being said, not top three and uh

617
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: not the Big three. And honestly, if I was taking

618
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: future out, I'm throwing in Tyler the Creator.

619
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: That's how I enough.

620
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 3: You.

621
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: You talked about it, you talked about seeing somebody, you

622
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: talked about seeing somebody in person.

623
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: We me and Karen just came from seeing Tyler Creator.

624
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: Like a month.

625
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 6: Tyler Create did a motherfucking one man show. I mean

626
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 6: one man show. No backup dances, no backup singers, no backup.

627
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: To the backup that niggas out there, what man moving

628
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: across the motherfucking stage all by all the people all

629
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: the way over the over the crowd into another thing

630
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: where he's giving us acting and fucking.

631
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: Rap like five works everything.

632
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Like it's like he when he goes to play his

633
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: old songs, there's us in the set piece he has.

634
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: He's literally walking towards a crate of records and you

635
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: see like different influences of his and then he'll pull

636
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: out like this song this album. Everyone goes crazy because

637
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: they recognize the cover. It's like flower Boy or whatever.

638
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: He puts it on, plays like three songs, starts rapping along,

639
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: takes it off like brings the crowd down with them,

640
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: the way he's like moving his body, even though like

641
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: because he's a showman, he's not just a he's not

642
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: just a rat.

643
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: He's giving you like visuals.

644
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna get to perform them, showing up dressed

645
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: up like the fucking like toy thing with the ego

646
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: hair and ask the mad like the nigga just built different.

647
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: And I feel like our generation like two years too

648
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: old to recognize how fucking important he is. And then

649
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: it was a beast yeah, and all the but in

650
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: that concert, all the young people fucking knew it was

651
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: crazy because he not young. No one know he was

652
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: eating roaches like fifteen years ago. Dog, this this nigga

653
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 1: is over thirty now. And it was like at one

654
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: point he was rapping one of his old songs. It's like,

655
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: how do y'all kids know this? Like y'all, y'all are

656
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: too young to know this ship And I was really

657
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: rapping about some crazy shit back then. Anyway, enough j

658
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Cole slander guys. Okay in case he's listening.

659
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 5: But you but you bringing up Tyler? This is what

660
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 5: I'm talking about. There's a level of you can see

661
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: the third line from where Tyler started to where he's now,

662
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 5: Like he's grown his game, he's elevated his performance. He's

663
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: he's innovatives. These people are innovative. And Cole is just

664
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: the same nigga that he was ten years ago, Like

665
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: he just is. He's forty years old. I just find

666
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 5: he's forty years old. Mary, he's got a couple of kids, Like,

667
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: what are you talking about?

668
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: That's why your.

669
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: Life right now.

670
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: But that's that's what's funny. That's why to his fans,

671
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: that's why he's dope, is that he ain't changed and

672
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: he's the same nigga from Blah Da Dah, He's just

673
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: he's yeah.

674
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: With the caesar he has.

675
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: You know what Cole is to me in a way,

676
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: He's like if Nas never did showty owe me for

677
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I like, if he just was like, I'm actually not

678
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna chase that type of fucking fame. I'm gonna be

679
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: a MC's MC and all all the rappers will respect

680
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: and love me, and I'm gonna be everyone's friend, which

681
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: is where he fuck up.

682
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna be everyone's friend.

683
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: And honestly, at this point, if you're making the argument,

684
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean far being from me to help out the

685
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: J Cole side of the argument.

686
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: But if I was making the argument and I was

687
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: a J.

688
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: Cole fan, what I would be doing is trying to

689
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: move Drake out of the Big three now and and

690
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: like and say, Jay No, Cole should be in there.

691
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: Drake should be out because look how bad everything's gone

692
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: from him in a year. Cole still still doing it.

693
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: He just had that fucking festival, He's still putting out songs.

694
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I think I would try to bump Drake out because

695
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: I feel like that's where you and the Kendrick people

696
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: could find common ground.

697
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they.

698
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: Would be grudgingly except j Cole in to that top

699
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: three as long as Tyler.

700
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 5: Wasn't around, except a fan.

701
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: But I know, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

702
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say fans. We're not going to live the

703
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: speed work together. That's y'all. Wait, hold on real quick.

704
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: You just want at the concert, right, Cole did this joint? Y'all?

705
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 4: Y'all noticed on nice Watch? Listen, listen, of course, VOSSI

706
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: does it.

707
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: You know, feel bad?

708
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: I met the light turn in the nice Watch and

709
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: the crowd combusted like I've never seen. I wasn't expecting

710
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 4: that crowd. We're in Tampa, Florida, right, mostly white folks

711
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 4: in the crowd. You know it was us in there too.

712
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 4: But that was the moment when he did nice Watch.

713
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: I was like Chris Niggas the top three. That was

714
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: literally I had chillen.

715
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: So look, everybody gotta go see Colon concert before we

716
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: can judge, and then we have a spiritual experience. We

717
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: gotta come back and apologize to Mike. I will accept

718
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: that if.

719
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: I re see him live.

720
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: And I had that feeling of like, damn, this motherfucker.

721
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Only they only made one of these. I promise you

722
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I'll come back in and apologize because I'm always new information.

723
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: But as of right now, Kendrick and Tyler gave me

724
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: that feeling this year, and I was like, God, damn,

725
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: thank god I'm alive for them being alive at this time,

726
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: because they must suck for the people.

727
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: That missed this ship. All right, guys, let's talk about Sinners.

728
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 4: All right.

729
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: We talked about a lot of stuff. I didn't mean

730
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: to get into the cold of it all. Yeah, so

731
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: let me just go around the room and just start

732
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: with this. How did you see Sinners? Like, well, did

733
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: you go Opening Night? Opening weekend? You know, did you

734
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: get the imax all that stuff. I'll start first you, Mike,

735
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: then Bossi and Karen. You can tell them about ours.

736
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I start Opening Weekend. I happened to be

737
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: in there's a theme here. I was in Florida. It's

738
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: not a where coincidence. I was celebrating my fraternity. Uh

739
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: my line had our thirtieth anniversary, remember of a fi

740
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 4: off of anybody was wondering, and we were in Orlando

741
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: celebrating our anniversary and we were just trying to find

742
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 4: something to do. And I was the only one that

743
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: I really wanted to go see it. But we have

744
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: some some of my lbs that you know that a

745
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: little little Christian, little Christian eye, and uh, they weren't

746
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: really feeling it. But I was like, yo' I'm gonna go.

747
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna just go. Y'a'll be okay. But we

748
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: all went, uh and saw it in one of the

749
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: Disney theaters, like on the Disney Land. They have this

750
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: crazy like a mall inside of the Disney World, and

751
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 4: it was you know, that's how I saw it on

752
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: the opening weekend, I think on Saturday.

753
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Was it crowded or yeah, okay it And was it

754
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: Imax or just regular?

755
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: H it was Imax? Yep, it was it was Imax.

756
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: What how'd you see it?

757
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 5: I saw it last Thursday, I think. And I'm not

758
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 5: a I'm not a I'm not gonna say I'm not

759
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 5: a movie person, but there are very few times where

760
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 5: like I have to see this in the theater. But

761
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 5: there was something about the way that people were talking

762
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 5: about it that I was like, I think I need

763
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 5: to see this. And then on top of that, I mean,

764
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 5: I don't care if I'm spoiled, like I'm like, tell

765
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: me the ending so I know what to expect, Like

766
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't need to be shocked. I don't

767
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 5: need any of that. For some reason, every time something

768
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 5: would show up, I would scroll right past it or

769
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 5: I would click out, like I didn't want to hear

770
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 5: it for some reason. But people like you have to see,

771
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 5: you have to see, you have to see it, and

772
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 5: I was like absolutely. And then it was leaving Imax,

773
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 5: which I didn't know that was the thing. I thought

774
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 5: it just stayed in Imax until until it went to

775
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 5: a dollar theater. I don't know. I just didn't think

776
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 5: there was that. So I was like, okay, I want

777
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 5: to see it before us Imax, And it was it

778
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 5: was leaving that Friday, but there was only one theater,

779
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 5: like God, like fifteen miles away that still had it

780
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: on IMAX. So I drove out there to watch it.

781
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 5: And this is how, this is how blind I was

782
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: in going in. I did not know the vampires were involved.

783
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 5: That caught me completely off guard. I was like, hold on,

784
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 5: wait a second. I didn't know any of that was

785
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 5: going on. But like I'm sitting there and I'm watching

786
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 5: this movie, and I'm like this is a nice movie,

787
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 5: like this is this is great, Michael B. Jordan's acting

788
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 5: his ass off, like just watching like the very into it,

789
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: but still kind of processing. I don't know what people are,

790
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 5: what people were seeing. And then it got to the

791
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: point where I was like okay, and it was this,

792
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: well we'll talk about it, but like it was a

793
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 5: scene with Delroy Lindo and I was like okay, and

794
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 5: I sat up. I still didn't know what the van.

795
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: I didn't know about vampires, but I knew at that

796
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 5: point there's something happening and I need to pay attention

797
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 5: to it. And yeah, it was.

798
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: It was the.

799
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 5: Actually I sent money to my cousin so that he

800
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 5: could watch it in Nigeria. Like that's how much. I

801
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 5: was like, you need to see this movie because I

802
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: need to talk to you about it. Because he's he's

803
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: a very he's literally like literally a genius, not like

804
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 5: oh he's a genius, he's literally certified genius. And I

805
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 5: wanted to know what the movie was like in Africa

806
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 5: because I knew what it was felt like to be

807
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: American in America and black watching it and uh, just

808
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 5: to see what the what what you know, what the

809
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 5: what the nuance is like what did you get out

810
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 5: of it? But I sat there, Thank god, I sat

811
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: there and cried for an hour, because otherwise I would

812
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: have missed the two u ending credits and.

813
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Fool theater when you saw it, it wasn't very full.

814
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 4: The whole.

815
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 5: I think that like the like the the middle part,

816
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: like there was nobody in the front. The back was

817
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: pretty empty, but like everyone was kind of congregated in

818
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: the same like yeah that like hjk ella, you know

819
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 5: a bit of it. But it was like twelve in

820
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 5: the afternoon or it might have been twelve thirty and.

821
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: It was a couple cross Yeah it was, And it

822
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks in so that you know,

823
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: the crowd would be doing it in at some point.

824
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Karen, I don't know.

825
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: I think we've said how ours was on the on

826
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: our spoil review, But I don't know if you want

827
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: to tell people.

828
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 6: Oh I can, we like to We don't like things

829
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 6: being spoiled, so we go see shit like Thursday night,

830
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 6: and so we went to go see it Thursday afternoon.

831
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 6: Now all look aside For me, I just knew it

832
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 6: was Koogla and I could be Joydan that's all I knew,

833
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 6: and I knew was black, so I didn't know about

834
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 6: Vampire Ze.

835
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling truth.

836
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 6: I was just like because I was like, it's scary,

837
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 6: but I know it's not gonna get into Gore because

838
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 6: I'm afraid of Cat, So I don't like Gore.

839
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: You know, I can do sci Fi, I can do

840
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: all that shit.

841
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: You can kill people trying to peopr head off, but

842
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: when you get into Gore, I'm like, I'm out.

843
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: And so I was like, well, I know it's not

844
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: going to be like the Gore part, like you know,

845
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: getting a kind of horror. So I'm like, okay, I'm good.

846
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: So me and Roger went to go see it, and

847
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: since we go so early, a lot of times it's

848
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: not as packed, but it was actually pretty crowded in there,

849
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of times for me and Roger that

850
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: normally dictates how it's going to go for the rest

851
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: of the weekend because the people like us who go

852
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: like see that first first screening, we normally don't want

853
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: it spoiled.

854
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: We want to see it before everything start hitting the timeline.

855
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 6: And so for me, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it

856
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 6: a lot. I think that.

857
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: I like the fact that I went in blind, if

858
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I liked the fact that I didn't

859
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: know what was happening nor what was going on, so

860
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: literally everything was a surprise for me, and so for me,

861
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: that's what made the experience not trying funny more magical

862
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: for me, versus just having people just talk about it

863
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: and ruin it and spoiled, you know what I mean,

864
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: spoiled Like I understand some people don't like I mean,

865
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean, don't mind spoilers, but I like the shock

866
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and I like I like those feelings that kind of

867
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: because I want the storyteller to tell me the story

868
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: and me respond in a real.

869
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 6: Time reaction versus for a lot of people. And it's

870
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 6: just me not to get off topic.

871
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: People go digging for shit, they find shit, and didn't

872
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: blame the artists for the shit that they.

873
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: Knew in the dance that don't make sense.

874
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting too, because like, how did

875
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: it like, how you heard about it and your excitement

876
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: level from just the idea of it. I think also

877
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: was a big thing because Hollywood kind of missed it

878
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: because it's very white centric. Black people were very excited

879
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: about a Ryan Coogler, Michael B.

880
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: Jordan.

881
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: I've just seen people taking it like you brought up

882
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: something right away, which is that you don't even like

883
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: this genre of movie, which I mean, we can you

884
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: know this isn't really the genre but the one that

885
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: in the trailer they promoted it as a horror movie. Yes, yes,

886
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: so you don't even like the genre, but you like

887
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: It's Coogler and Michael Boran.

888
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not gonna miss not your fundy.

889
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 6: I will fight through whatever they're presenting to me because

890
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 6: I know whatever it is. It's like in my mind

891
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 6: him and Peel are like, oh, it's gonna be good

892
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 6: no matter what they show me.

893
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: Well that's what I was saying.

894
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: And I think white Hollywood ain't tapped in ever to

895
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: black culture, so they missed that this was gonna be

896
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: a hit. Like almost everything I saw was like questioning

897
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: the budget, like why is this ninety million dollars? Because

898
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: like before you and then like then the first wave

899
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: of reviews came in, which like a perfect scoring right

900
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: in Tomatoes, to which I still think for a lot

901
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: of white folks it's that what is it?

902
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: Black's only given perfectly? Like I don't think they believe it.

903
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: It's when the numbers come in that they start being like,

904
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: oh shit, this was a this is actually a hit,

905
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: and I need to go see it.

906
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: Right.

907
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: But it's interest in that all three of us are

908
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: kind of come from the same angle of like, no,

909
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: it's Ryan Coogland.

910
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: We were going to see it.

911
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a Black Panther.

912
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna miss Black Panther, even if I didn't

913
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: know nothing about Black order Panther.

914
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: I was going to go see it.

915
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: Right, correct.

916
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't like horror. I don't like being like

917
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 5: there was a portion of the movie when I was

918
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: just like this where I was just like, y'all just

919
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 5: gonna have to I have to guess what's going on.

920
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: I don't like things jumping out and all of that,

921
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 5: And had somebody told me it was horror, I probably

922
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: would not have seen it until it was on television.

923
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: Wow.

924
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: So I'm really, really, really really glad that that I

925
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: went in completely unspoiled. I didn't even see a trailer,

926
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, I didn't even see a trailer.

927
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 5: I saw nothing.

928
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: The first like this minute has like three jump scares

929
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: in it and I'm like, I'm like those poor people

930
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: that they.

931
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: Trusted you, Ryan, they trusted you.

932
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: You betrayed him immediately and no more jump scares for

933
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: like an hour forty minutes.

934
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: I just I don't know what made him make that choice.

935
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: He got my ass though, because I was like, oh, ship,

936
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: I was about to get crazy.

937
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: And then then we got a beautiful portrait.

938
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 3: Of black Southern life.

939
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: Gonna say, Mike, I was gonna say, do you all

940
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: remember when the previews first came out, like they've been

941
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 4: out for a minute. They were out for a while,

942
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: and I didn't know, probably for the first six months

943
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: that it was a horror movie, Like you saw the

944
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 4: piece the you know, the parts where would blood on

945
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 4: people's faces. But I was like, are they cannibals? I

946
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 4: don't know what was happening, But they kept on the

947
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: first wave of commercials was only showing Michael B. Jordan

948
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: with the gun at the end he was popping out.

949
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, it's the war movie.

950
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Well for me, for me, it was Haley Stanfield whatever

951
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: when she's got the blood on her mouth and she like, yeah, y'all.

952
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: Gonna let us in.

953
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: And they showed him like crawl clawing at the door.

954
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: I was like, that look like.

955
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Vampires to me.

956
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: Those are vampire rules in the trailer, because you don't

957
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: have to let in no other motherfucking monsters.

958
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: Everybody else just bust up.

959
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: In that bit.

960
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, you know, obviously hinting towards

961
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: some type of vampire thing. But it was interesting to

962
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: hearing the coverage because I think a lot of the

963
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: coverage was like the vampire movie. You know, the black

964
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: guy's making the vampire movie. And I'm like, hmm, I

965
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: don't think that it's I don't think Ryan Coochler's is

966
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: straightforward as you guys are writing him to be. He's

967
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: not gonna just give us, you know, a like a

968
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Robert Rodriguez horror movie. It's gonna it's there's gonna be

969
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: more to it because he's too thoughtful. He's the Kendrick

970
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: of Hollywood.

971
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 5: I was about to say that. I was about to

972
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: say exactly that it's late whatever it is that they

973
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: tapped into it, I thought. So I thought about Kendrick

974
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: so much while watching the movie. Yes, like just just

975
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 5: I was like, this is and I think also I

976
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 5: was just telling some about I hope I hope they're

977
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 5: all in the group chat together, because because there's no

978
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: way if they know each other, there's no way that

979
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 5: that that that Ryan didn't have input on the super

980
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 5: Bowl halftime show. You can't you can't tell me it's

981
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 5: a coincidence. You can't tell me that, Oh, we just

982
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 5: so happened to be doing that. No, y'all, y'all talk

983
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: to each other, y'all had notes. Y'all are like, oh,

984
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 5: I can't use this part, so you can use that.

985
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: Like I refused to believe it was just coincidence.

986
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kendricks trying to get into Hollywood too, so I

987
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: feel like they had to run across each other at

988
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: some point.

989
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: All right, So then let's talk more about.

990
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: The movie right overall enjoyment of the movie, Karen, you

991
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: go first, then Mike Dan BOSSI.

992
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot.

993
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 6: It uh delivered, and it did have gump scares, but

994
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 6: like I say, it wasn't like the horrific jump scare

995
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 6: like I'm doing ship just because like that, this like

996
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 6: the scares had a purpose for me, and I don't

997
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 6: mind it having a purpose.

998
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: And also a lot of times when it comes to

999
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: there's things that of course, there's.

1000
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 6: Certain genres where you can kind of float around and

1001
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 6: things don't got to make sense.

1002
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: But this kind of made sense to me because sometimes.

1003
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 6: Hard just just do shit just to do shit, because

1004
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 6: they can do shit and be like.

1005
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh, y'all sposed to understand bench I don't what happened,

1006
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: you know type of thing. And so for me, I

1007
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: love the way.

1008
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: That it did did it but you know, but you

1009
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: know what that is?

1010
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: I think I think that works because he's not making

1011
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: a horror movie like he like, I think if he

1012
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: was making a horror movie, they do get really nebulous

1013
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: at the end with like and then the ghost was

1014
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: afraid of Jesus and you're like, what you never set

1015
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: that up? That's not the third act can't end that

1016
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: way because you need the foreshadow that that was a

1017
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: solution that could be had, you know whatever. I think

1018
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: he was like, vampires are just a vehicle for the

1019
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: third act, is like, they're just an allegory, right, But

1020
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: he's not trying to make a vampire movie, which is

1021
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: why I don't know. Seventy five percent of the reviews

1022
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: that are discussing it as a horror movie are just

1023
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: missing the mark so.

1024
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: Badly because I'm like, well, in horror you do this.

1025
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not what the movie.

1026
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: Is though, it's so you don't do that. No, you

1027
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: we don't know the main vampire's orgon story. We don't

1028
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: have to know. I'm fine not known. Like, yeah, So

1029
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting, Mike, your general thoughts about

1030
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: the movie.

1031
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 4: You know something that I just thought about and hearing

1032
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: so many of Bossi's takes on Kendrick and gn X

1033
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 4: and and thinking through I never thought that, dang, maybe

1034
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 4: they were working together all this time, Like there was

1035
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: definitely some creative connections happening there. But you know how

1036
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 4: Kendrick used the California sound on gn X to like

1037
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: alter the trajectory of his overall sound. I feel like

1038
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: Googler used horror vampires this genre to tap into a

1039
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 4: different creative layer of his storytelling, right. I think there's

1040
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: so much similarity there. And I never thought about them

1041
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: together until this week and I heard Ryan Cougler talk

1042
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: more and I brought this up on the show on

1043
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: our show this week, But his accent sounds like it

1044
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: made me feel like gn X like and part of

1045
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: the reason why. I'm from Brooklyn, so I just gotta

1046
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: let you I just gotta put that caveat there. I

1047
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 4: love I love Kendrick, He's one of my favorites. But

1048
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: gn X made me feel a way because it was

1049
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: so California and I wasn't expecting that. So I would

1050
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: imagine that people that were coming to either see a

1051
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 4: you know, black Panther or fruit val station or you know,

1052
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 4: might not have been prepared to see a vampire movie

1053
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: or horror movie however they classified it. But overall, I mean,

1054
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: I think the movie was it was stunning. It was

1055
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: like one of those It was one of those movies

1056
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: where at the end, I definitely sat in the theater

1057
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: after the ending credits and whenever there's like a creative masterpiece,

1058
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: like I could tell by my chills, like that's a

1059
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: part of my you know, I had chills so many

1060
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: times through the movie. But it wasn't about you know,

1061
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 4: the storyline, of course, but it was like everything coming together.

1062
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: It was the images on the screen. It was almost

1063
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: like there were certain images that could be paintings right

1064
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 4: that you could hang on your wall and just look

1065
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: at it. For the stuff happening in the background. The

1066
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: way that they used colors, the way that they used

1067
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: you know sounds, Sammy's character Sammy right, I didn't know, Yeah,

1068
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: I didn't know he could sing. So when he started singing,

1069
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: I was like, why do you using a voiceover? Like

1070
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 4: it sounded so it didn't sound real, like so like

1071
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: how they were saying his voice was a portal to

1072
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: another world. It felt like that for real. Like I

1073
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 4: was like, so it left me after the after the movie,

1074
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: I was like, I gotta I gotta go search him

1075
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: because that voice is not His voice reminded me of

1076
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 4: Donnie Hathaway's, Like whenever I listened to the way, I

1077
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: burst into tears, Like not even on those salt stuff,

1078
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 4: but it's like there's something about his voice that breaks

1079
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: me down whenever he sings. If he's singing this Christmas,

1080
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, But there were so many aspects

1081
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: of the movie that were just beautiful, and you know,

1082
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: it was just breathtaking. The initial sentiment I had at

1083
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 4: the end of the movie before you know, the thing

1084
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: pieces and everybody was breaking it down. I thought the

1085
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 4: initial uh my reflection was it was about the music industry,

1086
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 4: Like that's where like my initial brain went was like

1087
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 4: this is about specifically on the heels of Drake and

1088
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 4: Kendrick and talking about culture vultures and thinking about some

1089
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: of the conversations we heard from Damon Dash and Lee

1090
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 4: or Cohen, and I was thinking of all these people

1091
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: like oh, that's leor Okay, that voice there, that's Kendrick,

1092
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 4: Like this is this person And it was just such

1093
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: a visceral feeling. And at the end I was feel

1094
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 4: that towards the end the movie and at the end

1095
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 4: where they were in the Blues in the Blues Joint

1096
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: and yeah, in the club and the characters walk in

1097
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: dressed you know, like nineties like gangster, I was like, oh,

1098
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 4: this is this is this is a gangster rap. This

1099
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 4: is when the gangster rap came in and changed the industry,

1100
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: you know, and all the music documentaries they always say,

1101
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 4: and then in nineteen ninety two, gangster rap changed the

1102
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 4: scene and like that to me was represented in that

1103
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 4: final scene. It was just it was phenomenal. There's just

1104
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 4: no words. I want to see it again. And I

1105
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 4: tend to not us as you all could probably see,

1106
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 4: I tend to like not believe hype a lot, and

1107
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 4: I'm always like why do you really want me to

1108
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 4: see this? Like what is really behind this? But there

1109
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: was nothing I could say negative about this movie, Like

1110
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: there's literally nothing like it was a perfect film to me.

1111
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, did J call the films for you?

1112
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: BOSSI? What do you think? What was your overall impression?

1113
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 5: I I walked out of the theater crying my eyes out,

1114
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 5: but walked away saying, this is the best movie I've

1115
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 5: ever seen. This is this is my favorite movie. And

1116
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 5: I have to mention that my son saw it like

1117
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 5: the week before and he was like, it's the best

1118
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 5: movie that ever. It was like, it's the best movie ever.

1119
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 5: And but when I spoke to him after I saw it,

1120
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 5: he I was just balled up and you know, like

1121
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 5: still emotional. He's like, why are you crying? Did we

1122
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 5: see the same movie? And I was like yes, I

1123
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 5: was like didn't you get them? And I started talking

1124
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 5: about He was like I got the vampires and I

1125
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,479
Speaker 5: was like, okay. So the fact that he and I

1126
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 5: favorite movie, love the movie, best movie we ever saw

1127
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 5: both said the same thing, but from different perspectives. I

1128
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 5: thought that was that is a testimony to how genius

1129
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 5: and talented Ryan Coogler is because he knew that he

1130
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 5: knew that this movie had to work on like five

1131
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 5: different levels, and it invited people seeing it over and

1132
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 5: over again. I think that Michael just blew my mind.

1133
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 5: Mike just blew my mind because when you start talking

1134
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 5: about the record industry, and then I was like, okay,

1135
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 5: and then he comes in he smells death on the

1136
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 5: blues and then this is when the blues and like

1137
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 5: the fact that we feel so much in our music

1138
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 5: that starts like dial okay, but I was thinking about

1139
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 5: it from the like the the the the the metaphor

1140
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 5: of black people in America and like, but I think

1141
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 5: that like a Kendrick song, all of that is true

1142
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: on the one level, Yeah, shake ya asked of this song?

1143
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 5: But also the third versus this and then also it's

1144
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 5: about Drake, but also it's about y'all, you know what

1145
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 5: I mean. Like all those levels showed up in this

1146
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 5: movie for me, and I was so I could see.

1147
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 5: Also I'm not a comic book person, but I did

1148
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: see what kinda Forever and Black Panther. But I saw

1149
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 5: him use the Marvel formula to create something so mind

1150
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 5: blowing to a point where I'm looking at him like

1151
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 5: like after I got back in my stud I was like,

1152
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 5: who are you like, Like, like seriously, who are you? Like?

1153
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 5: When I get into my my mic bag, it's like,

1154
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 5: I feel like people are otherworldly. I feel like you're

1155
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 5: a prophet. I feel like you were sent here to

1156
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 5: teach us something. That's the same way I feel about Kendrick.

1157
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 5: But it's the same level of there's you're not seeing

1158
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 5: things the same way that the average person sees things right,

1159
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: and the way that you have learned to manipulate your talents,

1160
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 5: it's the same way that Sammy was learned to manipulate

1161
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 5: his talents and and and and show a world that

1162
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 5: we knew existed. Like I think that black people watch

1163
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 5: this movie and got something completely different. Even when white

1164
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 5: people understood it, it wasn't the same way that we

1165
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 5: understood it, I don't think. And the ability to tap

1166
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 5: into that is so remarkable. And it's and it's it's

1167
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 5: doing I keep bringing back to Kendrick and I'm gonna

1168
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 5: try not to say his name again after that. But

1169
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 5: like it's like right and wrong. It's like putting things,

1170
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 5: it's course correcting, it's putting things back on track. This

1171
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 5: is what our movies and our art were supposed to do.

1172
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 5: Beyonce too, this is what it's supposed to do. It's

1173
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 5: supposed to be fun and entertaining. We're suposed to dance

1174
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 5: and have a good time. And I laughing at Drake,

1175
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 5: but it's also supposed to like sink into our bones.

1176
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 5: Like that's what black art has always done through through

1177
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 5: through time. It's only recently where we stopped. We stopped

1178
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 5: expecting our art to move us. Yeah, I think in

1179
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 5: in profound ways.

1180
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: I think also like it's the that feeling you can

1181
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: feel as a black person where there's a difference between

1182
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: selling blackness to the world and and just making something

1183
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: black for us that the world will obviously glom onto,

1184
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: because you know, contrary to propably belief, white people love

1185
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: black shit anything.

1186
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: They love it too much.

1187
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: Historically they have, they have loved to have it for free.

1188
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: They have loved a bunch of ship they weren't suppoed

1189
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: to have. But like, I definitely felt that in the movie,

1190
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: like this is some of these moments and cultural touchdowns

1191
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: are so insular and black, but it's still a great movie.

1192
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: You don't have to be black to know it's great.

1193
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to be black to even like, you

1194
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: don't have to get every cultural reference to know that's

1195
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: a cultural reference.

1196
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: I don't.

1197
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: I don't understand.

1198
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: Exactly what he's talking about, but I but I got

1199
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: close enough. I don't, you know, I don't need to

1200
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: fill it in my bones per se to still be able.

1201
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: Which is why that fucking writing critics written Tomato story

1202
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: is so high because all.

1203
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: Them people ain't black.

1204
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: A lot of people just like, fuck, I've never seen

1205
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: a movie like this before. The only things I would

1206
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: add to just stuff y'all were saying for me was,

1207
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: h it it's so beautifully intricately intentionally done. Every fucking

1208
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: thing is crazy. It's is it is crazy. And the

1209
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: acting like Michael B. Jordans I already I already had respect.

1210
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: For my man, Michael B.

1211
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: Jordan, but I know it was a lot of holdouts

1212
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: out there. I was just remind people like he was

1213
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: Wallace first, like like I think as people that people

1214
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: that don't think he can act skip over Wallace and

1215
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: go straight to like Michael B. Jordan had grown up

1216
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: and they're like he always do same God like that

1217
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 1: Nigga was Wallace. That while I cried for Wallace dog.

1218
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: That was different that that mother fucking And then I

1219
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: saw him in his first like big movie role where

1220
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: oh fuck was that We went to go see in

1221
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: the theater and he wasn't on That and Loan, but

1222
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: that Chronicle.

1223
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: He stole the goddamn show.

1224
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: It was Chronicle.

1225
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: Karen and I walked out of the theater and I said,

1226
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's a star.

1227
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 3: Yes. I was like, I don't know who that nigga is.

1228
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: He's like the third He's the third bill person in

1229
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: a weird sci fi white boy movie. And I'm like, no,

1230
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: that that guy's the movie star. Them other two dudes,

1231
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna go on to do

1232
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: with their lives.

1233
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: He's gonna be in a lot of movies.

1234
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: He's gonna be somebody.

1235
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's you don't what.

1236
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 5: My introduction to Michael B. Jordan was Friday Parenthood on NVC.

1237
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 5: That was the first time that I ever saw him,

1238
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 5: and I was like, I was one of the people

1239
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 5: who's like, he's all right, but he's always been acting

1240
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 5: against people that I particularly thought were like powerhouses. So

1241
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 5: I to me, he paled in comparison to like a childwick.

1242
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 5: To me, but also watching him on Parenthood. Watching him

1243
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 5: on Parenthood amongst mediocre people, I was like, why are

1244
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 5: you on that show? And you know when he when

1245
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 5: I saw him later in movies, I was like, oh,

1246
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 5: that makes sense.

1247
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: He was great in Friday Night Lights as well the

1248
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: TV show version.

1249
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: And then the other.

1250
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: Thing is in this movie he.

1251
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: Plays these twins and I love that him and Ryan

1252
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: Coogler did this because so many people go over the

1253
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: fucking top.

1254
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: He played the twins in a way where.

1255
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: It's like, these are two black people that grew up

1256
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: together in the same area.

1257
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be that fucking different.

1258
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: Like normally when you do twins, it's like it becomes

1259
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: that acting theater exercise where it's like.

1260
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: I nerd me and I'm jock me.

1261
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was it didn't come.

1262
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: Off like that, And I was like, this feels so

1263
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 1: much more richer and lived in and plausible that these

1264
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: two guys smoking stack would be like some hustling ass

1265
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: dudes from the South that went to the North, hit

1266
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: a lick, came back like this still hustling. Like all

1267
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: that shit felt real. The way the camera loved all

1268
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: the blackness on the screen.

1269
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 5: Oh, it loved everybody.

1270
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: No one had to look bad, which here's a you know,

1271
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: white cinematographers of you know, just a little.

1272
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 2: No one has to look bad.

1273
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 6: You can just work a little harder because there's a

1274
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 6: white woman that does it, and she she.

1275
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: Does that thing with the camera loves. It reminds me.

1276
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: It reminds me of Insecure, where it's like it wasn't

1277
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: like I was looking at it going the camera loves

1278
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: the black people, but the white people look pasty. It's

1279
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: like somehow, when when you make it good enough to

1280
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: make the black people look great, everyone looks great, right,

1281
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: But especially the way I loved like woman Masokka Musuku

1282
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: i skin like it felt good to see a person

1283
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: like that be appreciated, uh, and like you could fill

1284
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: it in the audience in the crowd because the movie

1285
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: was extremely sexy and so you could feel the like

1286
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: when when she was standing at the door and he

1287
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: was at the grave. I was like, no, they're not

1288
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: gonna yeah, they they're not gonna be fucking in five minutes,

1289
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: because that.

1290
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: Was probably not you know what, that's me, that's me

1291
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: and my sick mind.

1292
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: Let me get my mind out the gutter and bam,

1293
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: they was hitting it from the back in five minutes.

1294
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: Like I was like, well, I guess, Ryan Coogler, you

1295
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: know the audience, sir, carry on. We needed and were

1296
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 3: kind of forever.

1297
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: When he threw Nikita was in the jumpsuit, I was like, Oh,

1298
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: so we're gonna put We're gonna put lape.

1299
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: She goes.

1300
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: She the one gotta go down. She gotta go down

1301
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 1: to the sea. Okay, whatever you say, whatever you say,

1302
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: that's what you mean. I'm sorry I about to say

1303
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: this was a sexy ass movie with no nude scenes.

1304
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people overlooked that because because

1305
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: because they know how it made them feel. But if

1306
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: they actually go back, there was not one titty pulled

1307
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: out of aside, like like, there was not one ass

1308
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: cheek like you seen ass, but the ass was COVID

1309
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, you know.

1310
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 5: And there were only two sex scenes and they weren't graphic.

1311
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 5: Yet people still walked away thinking that was a sexy

1312
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 5: ass movie. Have to do with everything surrounding it, the

1313
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 5: whole juke like atmosphere, and yeah, they.

1314
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: Was in their senting, you know what I mean, So

1315
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: so all right, but yeah, and then what was the

1316
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: other thing I had. I'm sorry I wrote down these things. Oh,

1317
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: collaboration is Ryan Coogler's superpower. That's the real thing. That's why,

1318
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: that's why you do the Marvel movies. You don't just

1319
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: like you leaving with something. It's shout out to Denzel,

1320
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: you're leaving with something. So like leaving out out of

1321
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: Marvel Studios and getting like Ruthie Carter, I think it's

1322
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: her name to be the person that.

1323
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: Did wardrobe for this movie. That's a big hit.

1324
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: Getting that money, that budget, that ninety million, so you

1325
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: can afford to do that.

1326
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: Obviously, his relationship with Michael B.

1327
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: Jordan.

1328
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,439
Speaker 1: I think one met was in a Disney show over

1329
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: there for Loki, Like Buddy did not leave the recipe.

1330
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: He like he was over there was it's like he

1331
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: was working in the kitchen that fucking like KFC. But

1332
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: he had a notepad out like so thirteen spices, okay, yeah,

1333
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: all right, And when he went home he was like,

1334
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: but if you throw some extra paprika in that motherfuck

1335
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: it out, it's gonna be like they sitting on something.

1336
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: But I got the formula over here.

1337
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: So that collaboration I could feel it on the screen

1338
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: between the actors.

1339
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: You could feel that it was a fun set.

1340
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: That it looked so good, and I love that it

1341
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: didn't like ice out. It wasn't a statement about It

1342
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: wasn't an overt statement of like what if black people

1343
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: were like white people and we were we refuse to

1344
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: acknowledge anything and every like.

1345
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: I loved that it was inclusive.

1346
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: I love the stuff with Asian people within the culture,

1347
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: within the community, being within being within the framework of this.

1348
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: I believe they had some like either Latino people obviously

1349
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: saw naive Americans, but I believe us on Latino people

1350
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: in the cooking scene in there, if I'm not mistaken.

1351
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: But I just liked that it was more like, this

1352
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: is a community story. It's not about a fuck the

1353
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: white man's story. That's that Like, not that those overtones

1354
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: undertones can't be present within the black community, but that's

1355
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: not the purpose of the movie. You know, I didn't

1356
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: walk in there expecting to see panther or I don't

1357
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: remember that shitty that's probably a bad reference.

1358
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: Anyway.

1359
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: I didn't walk in there expected to be like, you know,

1360
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: down with the white It wasn't like that, even though

1361
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: Jason Will clearly took it that way. So let's get

1362
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: into some of these characters and stuff, because I think

1363
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: that that kind of helps.

1364
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 4: Oh right now, I forgot that.

1365
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're like they know what's up with that box.

1366
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: The last thing I meant to say is it's a

1367
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: as a Southern black person, it is a love letter

1368
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: to a part of America that very very rarely gets

1369
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: seen in that light from people from black people. Like

1370
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,959
Speaker 1: we see white people do the like plantation, wedding, ass

1371
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: gone with the wind bullshit all the time down here,

1372
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, one of the questions you

1373
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: always hear from people or you know these I hate

1374
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 1: that this happens, but it's like the other dash for rewards,

1375
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: the while y'all live down there, move and it's like

1376
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: because it's ours, we from here too, it is beautiful

1377
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: to us, like this this is my land as well,

1378
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: and they don't just get to fucking take it from

1379
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: me unless we gotta fight for it.

1380
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 3: And so it felt like that to me, especially the.

1381
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: Final like scene with uh with with the with the

1382
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: gun and the klan, like it was like there's fighters

1383
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: in our blood down here too. It's not all just

1384
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: giving it up or whatever. And seeing like the culture

1385
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Uh and the land and uh

1386
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: and even the swamp even like all that stuff get loved.

1387
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 5: Man.

1388
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know when's the last time I saw that.

1389
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: It's been decades since I saw that on the screen.

1390
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1391
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 5: And also I really loved Oh, go ahead, Bissie, just

1392
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 5: just very very quickly. I can't remember. I started getting

1393
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 5: the twins confused after a point. But I don't know

1394
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 5: whether there was smoke or staff that told Sammy that

1395
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 5: Chicago ain't nothing but plantations with SA skyscrapers. Yes, and

1396
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 5: that I think that's just what you were saying, Robert.

1397
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 5: People think that, oh that the South is just what

1398
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 5: are they doing? Let's get rid of the Red States,

1399
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 5: like like black people don't live there and face like

1400
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 5: the exact same things.

1401
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think it was I think it was

1402
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 6: stat cam so to kind of piggyback on what Rod

1403
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 6: is saying as somebody who's a Southerner and actually just

1404
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 6: loves the South, like I love being down here.

1405
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 3: I actually not your funny.

1406
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 6: I don't want to live anywhere else to truth be told,

1407
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 6: and it's you know, and it's also one of those

1408
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 6: things where I'm glad that a lot of people who

1409
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 6: are not trying to fundy don't know nothing about the

1410
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 6: South and just think South the South is just this country,

1411
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 6: bunking ass place where everybody just you know, eat backwards

1412
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 6: and all this other ignorant bullshit because they just don't

1413
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 6: know no better. Actually got to see in a beautiful light. Yeah,

1414
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 6: I mean all aside, like like they actually got to

1415
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 6: got there.

1416
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: It was see it as Sammy said, it was the

1417
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 2: best day of his life. Until it wasn't.

1418
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: And but if that's how that movie felt, I was like,

1419
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: this is the best day of everybody's life. They about

1420
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: to have a party, like this shit is, this is lit.

1421
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: You're hanging out with your big cousin, they looking out

1422
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: for you, about to make a little money. It felt

1423
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: so good and then it, you know, till it there wasn't.

1424
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: All Right, let's let's go through characters, because I think

1425
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: that's probably the easiest way to like break these films down.

1426
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 4: Can I add something in real quickly?

1427
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 3: Gosh, yeah, go ahead, brother, No the I wanted.

1428
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 4: To pick up what what what you and Karen were

1429
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 4: saying about the South as a as a Northerner, I

1430
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 4: didn't even think.

1431
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 5: About the.

1432
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about the like the letter, the

1433
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 4: love Letter to the South. I completely missed that, But

1434
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 4: as you were describing it, it made me think of

1435
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 4: the first time I saw Crookland and the way that

1436
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 4: Spike Lee shot Crookland, like I saw my entire family

1437
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 4: in every single one of those of those people. And

1438
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 4: remember when she went to the South, to Virginia to

1439
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 4: be with her family, Like that is how Northerners thought

1440
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 4: of the South. She went down there, I don't want

1441
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 4: to be here, But then when she left, she didn't

1442
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 4: want to leave, like to me like that, you describing

1443
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 4: that made me think of like the richness, and I

1444
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 4: haven't seen to this moment someone shoot New York like

1445
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 4: Spike Lee did there right, just supposed like how you're

1446
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 4: talking about cooler shop.

1447
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, black people, black people finally getting in positions to

1448
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: have our imprint on these discussions in our art is

1449
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: so important.

1450
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm not from the West Coast.

1451
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: I love gn X because Kendrick's from the West Coast

1452
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm making something right. He's like, and

1453
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: that's what you feel like, I don't need to I

1454
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: have never been to Rosecrans. I don't know about Southwest Atlanta,

1455
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: georg Atlanta either because I ain't have to be there

1456
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: when olcass is rapping street names and ship I just

1457
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: knew that them niggas had been on them streets. And

1458
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: that's I felt that because I'm a nigga that's been

1459
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: on some streets and that and that I feel like

1460
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: that's what came across with Coogler when he was doing this.

1461
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 6: And also I love the fact that Ryan Coogler has

1462
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 6: a very thick accent and he just and change it.

1463
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 6: And I love the fact that his accent is authentic.

1464
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 6: So he made this movie, but black people's accent was

1465
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 6: authentic to the South.

1466
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: Like he was like, y'all gonna learn some draw like

1467
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 3: like and not tell me funny like as somebody.

1468
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 6: Who lives down here who have seen bad movies made

1469
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 6: but by people quote unquote pretending and not actually talking

1470
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 6: like we talked.

1471
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: We talked slower, we have draws and things like that.

1472
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: Because the thing is, when it comes to it, you

1473
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: know how you felt about Spike Lee, That's how I

1474
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: felt about this, because you know, we want to be

1475
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: represented in a massive way too. You know, New York

1476
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: ain't the only place in LA ain't the only place.

1477
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, it's a whole swap of

1478
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: niggas down here too.

1479
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: It definitely you feel seen.

1480
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: And then I did want to make say a small thing,

1481
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: which is Atlanta made me feel like that.

1482
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 4: Too, though.

1483
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 3: Oh I loved Atlanta like.

1484
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: Atlanta because like.

1485
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: That that TV show is set in the present, so

1486
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 1: it's it's it's how I grew up talking.

1487
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: Yes, like those niggas talk. I know niggas that just

1488
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: sound like that.

1489
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: And that was like the first thing that made me

1490
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: sit up in my seat when Atlanta Drot was like,

1491
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: whoa wait a minute, this is a good depiction. And

1492
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: of course you know, Donald Glover's from down there, so

1493
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, no matter how much

1494
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: they hate him, that's they can't make it not true.

1495
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 5: That's the thing too, just just in general, whenever people

1496
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 5: talk about like how much Donald Glover hates black people

1497
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 5: or whatever, I was like, it's not possible. You can't

1498
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 5: make Atlanta and hate black people, right, I absolutely cannot.

1499
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 5: And Ryan loves black people. And I keep bringing Beyonce

1500
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 5: in because because but she do I think she loves

1501
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,879
Speaker 5: black people. Kendrick loves black people, and the difference between

1502
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 5: a black person who loves black people and makes art

1503
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 5: for the people he loves or people they love. It's

1504
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 5: so much different than somebody who either tolerates or doesn't

1505
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 5: care or is like, you know whatever about you. You

1506
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 5: can hear the lack of you can hear the vampire

1507
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 5: lack of soul, and in a lot of these and

1508
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 5: a lot of people.

1509
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: You can feel the difference in a product that's just

1510
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: this was my pitch was black such and such.

1511
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: You know, hey, it's black Dracula whatever.

1512
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 4: Fuck.

1513
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: Like you can feel the difference where you're like, oh,

1514
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: this isn't really you're selling black people. You're hey, come

1515
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: watch black people do this, as opposed to like, I

1516
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: made this is black because I'm Black, So I'm not

1517
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: really interested in the experiences of outside of myself as

1518
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: far as making them the focal point of any story.

1519
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 3: And that's how it is.

1520
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to explain black people to any of us, right,

1521
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 5: I'm not explaining this, So that is what it is.

1522
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: That felt like, All right, characters, I'm gonna start with

1523
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: Remick first because I feel like Remick is like the

1524
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: most misunderstood and also like people have a lot of

1525
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: sympathy for them.

1526
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: People have a lot of.

1527
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: Like, like media literacy I think is as fucked right

1528
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: and it's a toilet. So like I've been watching people

1529
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: discuss Remick and you know, beyond jokes, like if it's

1530
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: a joke, it's a joke, I'm not right, but like

1531
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: people really feel like he's an abolitionist. People really felt

1532
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: like he's offering black people like equality and freedom, that

1533
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: he's definitely not a racist, that you know, all that

1534
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: stuff I've seen that I don't want to say names

1535
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: because a lot of people going write in and all

1536
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: this other shit. I don't want to start no podcast

1537
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: beef but it's not. But it's multiple people I've seen

1538
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,799
Speaker 1: any people said, but I'll start first with you, Bossi,

1539
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: and then we'll go Mike and then Karen.

1540
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: What did you think of the character of Remi?

1541
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 5: Remy was a white far left socialist progressive. That's who

1542
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 5: he was. And he was so adamant about saying or

1543
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 5: I don't know if he said it, but like being

1544
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 5: offended that he would thinking he was part of the clan,

1545
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 5: Like how could you think I was part of them?

1546
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 5: I just want to kill you and make you do

1547
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 5: whatever it is that I need to do to make

1548
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 5: myself feel better. I need you to sacrifice all of

1549
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 5: your people for what I think is best for y'all.

1550
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 5: None of my people are gonna die, really, but y'all all,

1551
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 5: y'all should die and join my thing. The scene when

1552
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 5: he was outside doing the little jig, it wasn't it

1553
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 5: wasn't like he was doing a jig. And then he

1554
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 5: started like, you know, popping and locking. He was doing

1555
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 5: his shit, and then all the people around him were

1556
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 5: doing what he was doing, and he wanted what they

1557
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 5: had in order to find a way to turn it

1558
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 5: into something that was useful for him.

1559
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: That is.

1560
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 5: People kept saying, oh, he's a white liberal. No, he

1561
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 5: was a far left socialist, Like there's a certain kind

1562
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 5: of blame person that he was very certain Mary was

1563
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 5: a white liberal, but the rest of them, he was

1564
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 5: a very specific kind of white person in my opinion.

1565
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: Oh.

1566
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 5: Next, it was low key funny, though sometimes he was

1567
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 5: very funny. I'll say that I.

1568
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 4: Think he was charming. He was charming. And I listen,

1569
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 4: I live in North Carolina, y'all. I don't know if

1570
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 4: y'all not, I'm in North Carolina. I'm in.

1571
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 2: Take your shirt off right.

1572
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 4: You know, like the helicopter and his character, more than

1573
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 4: any character in there, reminded me of parents of the

1574
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 4: children that my you know, parents are the kids my

1575
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 4: kids go to school with, right, and specifically it's a

1576
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 4: very specific box. You will see this eye to eye

1577
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 4: when your kids play sports. Right, there's like a level

1578
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 4: of you know, if your kids are good, right, they're

1579
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 4: gonna level of attention and you know, favoritism might look

1580
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 4: like on the outside and all the parents on the

1581
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 4: sideline are cool and chummy and their elbow and they're

1582
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 4: high fiving when people score. But if something happens and

1583
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 4: your kid either gets too much shine or they leave

1584
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 4: the team, or something happens, there is a visceral evilness.

1585
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 4: There is a guttural evilness, if that's the word, that

1586
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 4: you feel when all year they wear your best buzz

1587
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 4: they ask you to come to the pop belly in

1588
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 4: between games and they want to take your kids to

1589
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 4: the pool on the weekend, and you're like, I don't

1590
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 4: know if I trust you. Remick like that is like

1591
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 4: the that's the feeling I felt from him. It's just

1592
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 4: a conveniently charming and nice person until you have something

1593
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 4: they want and then it. He doesn't just go from

1594
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 4: nice to oh he's a little stand offish. It goes

1595
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 4: from nice to Dracula to evil to like, I will

1596
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 4: kill you because you're taking a spot or you're taking

1597
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 4: something that I have. I didn't. I saw right through

1598
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 4: all that charming bullshit. That shit was not cool to me,

1599
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 4: Like it just it even makes me laugh a little bit.

1600
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 4: I was like, I know, like, I know this guy.

1601
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: This is the guy on If you work in DC

1602
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 4: and you're on the Metro and you're in somebody's way,

1603
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 4: they're gonna let you go. But if you're the last

1604
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 4: spot and someone's both trying to get them the train,

1605
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,480
Speaker 4: they're gonna throw you on a train and kill you.

1606
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 4: You know, so you can't get their spot, they're gonna

1607
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 4: cut you off in traffic and pull their gun out

1608
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 4: the window to let you know that they have something

1609
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 4: with them. Right. So, yeah, he was a good villain

1610
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 4: in the movie, but his charm didn't move me.

1611
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 5: He is not an anti here. People keep saying, oh,

1612
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 5: he's an anti here. He meant, well, no, he didn't.

1613
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 5: He was kind of he was literally killed, Like what

1614
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 5: part of he was killing people? Don't you it's anti heroic.

1615
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 5: He wasn't killing clan members right.

1616
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: Well, he did kill two, but you know not, that's

1617
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: because he needed a place. Oh, Karen, what about your

1618
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: little song? I I knew that meant something when I

1619
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: was listening to it, I was like, this means something.

1620
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: I got looked this up afterwards, Karen, go ahead.

1621
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for me. The way it started off, it

1622
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: let me know that.

1623
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 6: He was running away from somebody was trying to kill him.

1624
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 6: And in my mind, I was like, oh, if they

1625
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 6: were trying to kill him, it is a reason why

1626
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 6: they were trying to kill him. It's like they knew

1627
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 6: something that other people did not know.

1628
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 2: And he was on fire.

1629
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: Yes, he was burning. They didn't seem to have torches

1630
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 3: or flame arrows.

1631
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 6: He was on fire, yes, And for me, it's one

1632
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 6: of those things where he was morphing into whatever that

1633
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 6: person needed so that he can trick them. And I

1634
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 6: think so many people fail for the morphing. If it

1635
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 6: was about black liberation, he was tightening you by bat.

1636
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 6: It was about that krew Klaus Klan. He was telling

1637
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 6: you about that. I'm pretty sure he was race.

1638
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 5: He spoke her literal language.

1639
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm pretty sure he probably killed a Native American.

1640
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 6: He was talking to them too till somebody was like, bitch,

1641
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 6: what you're doing over here? And so you know, it's

1642
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 6: one of those things where he will do whatever it

1643
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 6: takes to use you, because the thing is he wants

1644
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 6: whatever you have. And the thing about Sammy was that

1645
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 6: because of who he was, and he could see things

1646
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 6: on a supernatural level, and Sammy sung on a supernatural level.

1647
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 6: And that's why a lot of times people didn't understand,

1648
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 6: like why was the building burning?

1649
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 3: That's because he.

1650
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 6: Was seeing something on the outside that none of them

1651
01:22:59,040 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 6: could actually see.

1652
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,799
Speaker 1: He saw, he saw fire, he saw warmth, he saw

1653
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: a thing he wanted for himself, yes, and selfish, and

1654
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: so he.

1655
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 5: Was out a connection to the ancestors that Sammy was

1656
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 5: able to bring.

1657
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: He was not thinking.

1658
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't thinking I want to free these people when

1659
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: you saw that.

1660
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 3: No, that that that was.

1661
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 5: I mean, it's also interesting because sorry, just quickly the

1662
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 5: way when they were trying to get into the juke

1663
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 5: joint and they were like, we want to play for you,

1664
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 5: they were playing the most how does what you do

1665
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 5: match with what you're hearing? Like why would we let

1666
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 5: you in? To do that, and it just didn't cross

1667
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 5: their mind, not they didn't cross his mind, but like

1668
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 5: he should have been let in. There's no reason why,

1669
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 5: I asked nicely, I also singing a song you should

1670
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 5: let me in, and the sense of entitlement and then

1671
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 5: like the the anger that came with being denied what

1672
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 5: you feel entitled to, I thought was very clear.

1673
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 6: I Karen sorry, yes, And also I say that the

1674
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 6: biggest reason why he went is Sammy, because he recognize

1675
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 6: Sammy's gift. And with Sammy's gift, he wouldn't have had

1676
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 6: them two white people playing the bandos behind him. He'd

1677
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 6: ha had Sammy out there singing yes, and.

1678
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: They probably would have been tricked and let him in.

1679
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: And so at the end of the day, just.

1680
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 6: To use people because at the end of the day,

1681
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 6: his cult, because he was the leader quote unquote, everybody

1682
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 6: was a part of the cult.

1683
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 3: And they all had that connection.

1684
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 6: And the connection was so deep that if he got stabbed,

1685
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 6: they felt it. And so that's how connected they were.

1686
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 6: I think people underestimated how connected he was to them

1687
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 6: and how if he bit you, all of a sudden,

1688
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 6: he could speak your language, he knew your memory, like

1689
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 6: like like so, so it was a deeper thing. And

1690
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 6: so because he understood that, he was like, Oh, if

1691
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 6: I can get Sammy, I can go out out here

1692
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 6: because I'm already down south where a bunch of niggas

1693
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 6: is anyway, I'll just right right.

1694
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: I already got the.

1695
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: Klan here and it ain't nothing but them out here.

1696
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Plus I get the nigga like.

1697
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 6: It was one of the things. I think his whole

1698
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 6: thing was like I can actually get to the point

1699
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 6: where I can take.

1700
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 3: Over more and gain more and getting.

1701
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I'm sorry, did you have more before

1702
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: I go?

1703
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 4: Okay?

1704
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: But just I agree with you. I wrote down some

1705
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: words wh y'all were talking. Gluttonist was one of the

1706
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 1: words he that was a gluttony about him that felt

1707
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: to me like the gluttony of like white supremacy, like

1708
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: historically over over the earth. Yeah, it's never enough, it's

1709
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: never happy enough. It's coming to take your ship. It's

1710
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: cos we don't have equals. We have people that we

1711
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: uh dictate to. And that's how those people in the

1712
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: group were. They were under his throat when they were

1713
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: dancing a jig. I know people, some people were entertaining

1714
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: like this is a fun song or whatever scene.

1715
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 3: I didn't see it as a party.

1716
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: I saw it as this is how complete his control

1717
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: is over these people, because those motherfuckers didn't know know

1718
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: Irish jig.

1719
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 3: They didn't yeah, exactly.

1720
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: There was no meaning of him teaching them, like he

1721
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: was making them do that with their bodies, and they

1722
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: had no choice but to be excited about it.

1723
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 5: Later on watching him, he was the center, right.

1724
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: And later on we do see that, like when they're

1725
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,480
Speaker 1: not under his stalls, they do have their own motivations

1726
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 1: and it wasn't his, so clearly it was coming from him,

1727
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, like he you know in other movies, vampirism

1728
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: is the like it makes you into this thing of

1729
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 1: like and I have to eat.

1730
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 5: Everything because Mary went straight to Stack because that's what

1731
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 5: he wanted, right, and then Smoke was able to earth.

1732
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 5: Stack was didn't bite Smoke right because oh my god, right, it.

1733
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: Was well, you know, I'll do my thing a little bit.

1734
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: He Yeah, I love that you brought up. You know,

1735
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: he's conniving. He has no morals, He absorbs knowledge. He

1736
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: wants this black black girl. But the other thing I noticed,

1737
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: he's the clan either way, So like the clan for

1738
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: white people was like, hey, y'all, hear y'all, y'all love whites.

1739
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm almost smoking on fire. Let me in, you know,

1740
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: like big bad wolf.

1741
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Just let me on in.

1742
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 1: And they let him in just out of pure because

1743
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 1: white people, those poor white Southerners saw those indigenous people

1744
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: and they were more afraid of the other that they

1745
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: let the wolf inside.

1746
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 3: The hen house.

1747
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 2: Shout out today would have voted for him to be president.

1748
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to them would be like, did you

1749
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 3: let him in your house? God bless you?

1750
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: Hi?

1751
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 3: Boys? Hop on the horse be handing off midnight? Indigenous

1752
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 3: folks never seen them people again?

1753
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1754
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

1755
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: That was another thing I loved about this movie is

1756
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: how much Lord they didn't explain. They just put us

1757
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of stuff. If you're smart, you understand.

1758
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: If you're dumb, you still understand. You do understand. Those

1759
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: indigenous people said, all right, that's your life. White people

1760
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: is getting dark.

1761
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 5: Byse okay, you luck with that.

1762
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, what I would love a spin off show

1763
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: about what they I'm like, we don't need to know

1764
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: what happened before we knowed he's on fire and running

1765
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: and they were chasing him and was like, fuck it,

1766
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: he ain't coming back our way by nice, enjoy your

1767
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: lives at too many.

1768
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 5: We don't need to know what they had for dinner

1769
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 5: before they set out on the We don't need any

1770
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 5: of that.

1771
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 3: We're good.

1772
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 5: And that was the beauty of his ability to storytelling

1773
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 5: that way. Like it's just he trusts his audience. He's like,

1774
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 5: I'm showing you what you need to know. I'm telling

1775
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 5: you what you need to know. Trust me the rest

1776
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 5: of it.

1777
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: I'll say it like because I know you said you

1778
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't just like Kendrick, Like Kendrick, Kendrick trust that his

1779
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: fans will go and find that fourth on Tandra without him,

1780
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: Like he never does a line in those ooz Pa

1781
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: surprise or whatever the fuck, Like he just said some

1782
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: ship and you'd be like, I think, huh, I feel

1783
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: like it could mean more than you know what. Actually,

1784
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: damn it means seven things like that. That's how he

1785
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: does it. And Coogler was doing this.

1786
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 4: It was something else he said ron that when Remick

1787
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 4: was doing the Irish jig right and then all the

1788
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 4: people around him were doing the jig. That was the

1789
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 4: initial moment where I was like, oh, he's It reminded

1790
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 4: me not really, but he's eminem right like he It

1791
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 4: gave me an eminem analogy in that moment. But he

1792
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 4: was doing okay. So when they did the flashback scene,

1793
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 4: I'm sure we're gonna talk about this later, but one

1794
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 4: of the flashback and forward of the music, when Sammy

1795
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 4: was singing in all the different genres, right, they were

1796
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 4: super imposing the Irish jig over all of the music, right,

1797
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 4: and his music didn't change. They were still jigging it

1798
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 4: out there, but it was overlayered with the black music.

1799
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 4: And then all the black people started doing the jig

1800
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 4: and it was just like such a perfect culture vulture

1801
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 4: moment of how like white the industry, but it's not

1802
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 4: just music industry, it's all of culture and art will

1803
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 4: take like bits and pieces of black art, put their

1804
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 4: face on it. It becomes popular and then other black

1805
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 4: people are like, oh, that's lit because look how popular

1806
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 4: it is.

1807
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Also, he's not of the culture at that point because

1808
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't absorbed Sammy and uh delar Lindo's character, like

1809
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: because if he, you know, he might could have, I

1810
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have put it pasting to play that ship to

1811
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: get in the club, even though I think what we

1812
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: heard with that jig, that's his nok. If you buck,

1813
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that was his because like

1814
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: the way Michael B. Jordans' character is like, I'm like,

1815
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: it's if you I'm surprised this hasn't happened on Twitter.

1816
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: But if you just take out that jig and put

1817
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: in like some down South krank music, that's the vibe

1818
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: of the fucking thing in there, you know, Tey that

1819
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: club if you buk his Irish answer, right, Tedda Drew.

1820
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: I also love that his Irish ancestry gave him a

1821
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: way into because what people mistruck for empathy, which, as

1822
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Bossy pointed out, is not. He doesn't really understand blackness.

1823
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: He's a pitch man.

1824
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 2: He's a hit He's the guy that hits on every

1825
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: woman in the club. That's what he is.

1826
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't take no for an answer, and I thought

1827
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: this was obvious in how he talked to Grace, because

1828
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: he talks to her in her own language.

1829
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 2: First he uses the husband, then he talks to.

1830
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 1: Her in her own language, tells her he'll eat her pussy,

1831
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: then says I'm gonna kill your kid, and people were like,

1832
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: see he was really for black liberation.

1833
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you fucking dumb?

1834
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 6: He was like he was like whoever lets me in

1835
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 6: and not ging funny. It was like, oh, you're the

1836
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:46,719
Speaker 6: weakest link.

1837
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, however he can get in, he's gonna get in,

1838
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: whether it's to save your child, whether it's to the

1839
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: because you still think you can be a vampire, pro

1840
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: black one. Whatever he gets. But the second you're you're

1841
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: he bites you. You're just in his throat. There's no

1842
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: fucking you anymore. You're just a set of iran It's

1843
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: almost like you know social media and how they like

1844
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: take everybody's information or whatever.

1845
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 2: You're just a set of data to him.

1846
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: It's like, if this data helps me to sell or

1847
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: get some more shit, that's what you're good for.

1848
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 2: The cultural apprehension of black.

1849
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: People's the only thing that was keeping on the outside,

1850
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: because that's really what it was like. He was not

1851
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: threatening when he showed up at that door, other than

1852
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: the threat of just general whiteness and black people being like, Nope,

1853
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna step on your shoe. Like whiteness is scary enough.

1854
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: You don't gotta be a vampire. You just can't come in.

1855
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 3: Like it was like, what the fuck are you doing

1856
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 3: out here?

1857
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: Y'all are the vampire as far as we're concerned. All right,

1858
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: smoking stack, let's go around. I forget the order, but

1859
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: carry you go first, and then we'll go Mike and

1860
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: then BOSSI. I love the fact that they did they

1861
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: research on twins and like they actually I was listening

1862
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: they actually covered twins, and they was like they knew twins.

1863
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 3: And you know, they did research on twins.

1864
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 6: They you know, some people on the set were twins,

1865
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 6: and so you know, they would ask them things like

1866
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 6: why y'all side by side, and they was like, it's

1867
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 6: not for us, it's for y'all because the second we're

1868
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 6: not together no more, everybody gets fucking confused, like what's happening?

1869
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1870
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: Like like like like everybody else just don't know what

1871
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: to do when they're not together.

1872
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 5: And so I'm standing in the yes in the same

1873
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 5: position or like back to back of like close in

1874
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 5: proximity to each other, and I was like, I would

1875
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 5: have never thought about that.

1876
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 6: And you know, they was talking about growing up in

1877
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 6: the hood and how they was nobody one or two

1878
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 6: sets of twins and how they would respond to each

1879
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 6: other and how a lot of times they language just

1880
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 6: the same and they talked the same, because particularly if

1881
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 6: they grew up together, you're not going to see a

1882
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 6: big difference unless you get them alone, one on one.

1883
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 6: And so that was a big thing on why their

1884
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 6: partners were different, because they literally.

1885
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 3: Got two the from people, you know what I'm saying.

1886
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 3: But together they look identical that you know, they're the same.

1887
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 6: But when they're separate, that's when you got to quote

1888
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 6: unquote see the real them, if that makes sense.

1889
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 5: And their partners made sense once you got to know them.

1890
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 5: Their partners made perfect sense, right of course.

1891
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 6: And so I actually really love and I appreciate them

1892
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 6: doing their homework on it and having an understanding of

1893
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 6: that relationship. They would have the same casus, they would

1894
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 6: talk alike, you know, and things like that, like they

1895
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 6: would kind of have the same appearance and things that

1896
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 6: they would have a deep love for each other, you know,

1897
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 6: because they literally have spent their whole lives together and

1898
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 6: so you know, it's unlike any other bond. So I

1899
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 6: really do appreciate that. And also my biggest thing we

1900
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 6: was talking about Michael B. Jordan before shout out to

1901
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 6: him for literally playing two different parts like that is

1902
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 6: a very very hard thing to do.

1903
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 3: And so that shows you.

1904
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 6: How talented and how dedicated he was, because it's just

1905
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 6: was just amazing to see because if you did not know,

1906
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 6: you would really think he had a twin, like like

1907
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 6: if you.

1908
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 3: If you were like, oh, that's actually his twin, but

1909
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 3: but it's actually the same person.

1910
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: Probably the Marvel special effects that Ryan Coogler got cool

1911
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: with or some ship that shit did my brain stopped

1912
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: thinking of them. As to Michael B Jordan's, yes, really

1913
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: the most immediate it was.

1914
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 4: Crazy.

1915
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 5: I turned this is another thing that I never do.

1916
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 5: I turned my phone completely off and put it in

1917
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,600
Speaker 5: my bag. I never do that. And I was like,

1918
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 5: I need a Google because I wasn't Michael B Jordan's

1919
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 5: have a twin? Did I'm not right?

1920
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 3: Did I Misa right?

1921
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1922
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 3: It felt it felt.

1923
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 5: Not even that I thought he'd be acting, but I

1924
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 5: thought like maybe they did a thing, a Marvel thing

1925
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 5: where they put his face on his actual brother's you know,

1926
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 5: head or whatever.

1927
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: The conspiracy that isn't true, but that I was prone

1928
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,759
Speaker 1: to believe was that one of them Towins was supposed

1929
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 1: to be a completely different actor. I was like, Okay,

1930
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: that must maybe Jonathan Major's fucked up so bad. They

1931
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: were like, Michael both yeah, Like that's how. That's how

1932
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 1: good the twin thing was, because you know, you can

1933
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 1: be fraternal twins and not you don't have to look identical, right,

1934
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: But I was like, that's how, but that's how good

1935
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: his performance was. I was like, Oh, they must have

1936
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: just planned for this to be two different people, because

1937
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: they're two different people.

1938
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 3: Like they interacted with each other like damn.

1939
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, I think it's you.

1940
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think there.

1941
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 4: I think their characters go ahead by see what No, no, no,

1942
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 4: I think I think their characters were just profound. There

1943
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 4: was something, Karen that you mentioned about if you notice

1944
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 4: whenever they were in a scene together and if everybody

1945
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 4: knows twins in real life, there was something about like

1946
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 4: how they were positioned that were like they had each

1947
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 4: other's backs, like they were like either looking over each

1948
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 4: other's shoulders, they were like positioned always in a way

1949
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 4: where that they were looking out for each other. Phenomenal.

1950
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 4: It was like small stuff. I was trying to see.

1951
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 4: I might have been doing too much in the movie.

1952
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 4: I was trying to see, like sometimes twins are like

1953
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 4: one of his right handed one his left handed. Could

1954
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 4: you see that. I couldn't. I couldn't pick it up.

1955
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 5: I was definitely looking for that too.

1956
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 4: I was looking for that. Yeah. I just loved the

1957
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 4: fullness of each of their characters, you know, just with

1958
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 4: with black men in movies, and they're you know, ones

1959
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 4: playing a villain role. They're both kind of like have

1960
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 4: villain tendencies, you know, throughout in terms of you know,

1961
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 4: trying to you know, find money, and they're you know,

1962
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 4: trying to get this juke joint going. And there's like

1963
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 4: not perfect aspects, imperfect aspects of their character, but they

1964
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 4: were all still like they felt like cousins to the viewer, right.

1965
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: I never thought Sammy was in danger, even when him

1966
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: and Sammy when smoking, Sammy got into it at the

1967
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: club and he pulled a gun on him.

1968
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 3: I was like, he would never, right, because I was

1969
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, I was.

1970
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Like, I'm like Ryan, Ryan, you could turn the dramatic

1971
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:09,440
Speaker 1: music down nothing, there's no suspicion, that's not.

1972
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 3: That love is too deep.

1973
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, oh, go ahead, no, no, no,

1974
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: go ahead, finished.

1975
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 4: The one thing I was wondering about that I kind

1976
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 4: of missed and I saw people talking about it. I

1977
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 4: was like, what happened the connection in Chicago? I know,

1978
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,680
Speaker 4: like al Capone was in Chicago. Did they mention that

1979
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 4: because I didn't miss they?

1980
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they mentioned that.

1981
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: I think actually it was Mary who mentioned that they

1982
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: had robbed they got that liquor from the robbery in

1983
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 1: Chicago that everybody like had heard about through the grape vine.

1984
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: It's clearly like y'all worked for both gangs. Y'all, y'all

1985
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: robbed both gangs.

1986
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: I forget what they took from the Irish mob, but like,

1987
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 2: y'all robbed both games.

1988
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: The Irish Yes there, Yeah, so that was like you

1989
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 1: She's like, you stole both and then y'all came back

1990
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: down here to basically like run shit and oh I

1991
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: know what I was gonna say, and we'll go to

1992
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 1: buy Yeah it is. When you're already illegal, why not

1993
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: be a gangster? Like that's why there's no moral judgment

1994
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: on them from the community. Really like like like this

1995
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 1: it's necessitated. You don't if there's not someone willing to

1996
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: break the law, you don't get a juke joint if

1997
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: there's not someone willing to like fight the Klan, you

1998
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: don't get to have shit.

1999
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: You just go be sharecroppers when.

2000
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: They're paying you in dollars that are not currency outside

2001
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: of black the black community in that area.

2002
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 2: Then go steal some wine and some.

2003
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: Liquor at go fucking host your own party like that.

2004
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: That's why I never felt like the film judged them.

2005
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: I never felt like Sammy judged them. The only person

2006
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: that would have judged them, obviously would be Sammy's dad.

2007
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: And that's more of a religious thing than a you know,

2008
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: a black thing to me, bossy, your turn ye.

2009
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 5: And just on that point, the care that Smoke and

2010
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 5: Stack took with Sammy was not the same care that

2011
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 5: his father took, because had Sammy showed up at the

2012
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 5: juke joint bloody and torn up, they wouldn't have like

2013
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 5: tried to they would have they would have gone to him,

2014
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 5: and they would they would have tried to take care

2015
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 5: of him. His father never left the pulpit trying to

2016
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 5: like to his own child after his child came broken

2017
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 5: and bruised towards him. But the thing with Smoking Stack

2018
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 5: too is that after when we first the same way

2019
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 5: with twins. When you first see them, you think, oh,

2020
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 5: they're identical, they do everything the same, their cookie or whatever.

2021
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 5: But then the more time you spent with them, the

2022
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 5: more you're like, oh, he's a hot heead Oh he's

2023
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 5: the one that calms him down. Oh he does this,

2024
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 5: he does that. One thing about twins too, is they

2025
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 5: take the who's older thing very seriously, like I am

2026
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 5: five minutes older, I am your older brother, and I

2027
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 5: will treat you like you are ten years younger than me, right,

2028
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 5: and so to see to see Oh my god. Ryan

2029
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 5: Coogler on the Met on the Met carpet last night

2030
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 5: said that Stack does Smoke's hair, and people had picked

2031
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 5: up that I think that Stack rolls the cigarettes because

2032
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 5: what's his name, Smoke doesn't have a steady Like there's

2033
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,719
Speaker 5: certain things that after you've met them for a while

2034
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 5: and see that Mary makes sense for Stack and Nannie

2035
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 5: makes sense for Smoke, you go back and like, oh,

2036
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 5: I see how the way that he moved this. He's

2037
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 5: more concerned with this aspect of the business than that

2038
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 5: aspect of the business. And Michael B. Jordan's ability to

2039
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 5: have the subtleties and the nuances of a relationship like

2040
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 5: that was really really amazing, and I don't want to

2041
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 5: keep on bringing up Kendrick. But in the Heart part six,

2042
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 5: when he says, grinding with my brothers, it was us

2043
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 5: against the world, no one above us. Bless our heart.

2044
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 5: That's I kept hearing her reincarnated. I heard the Heart

2045
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 5: part six, like I kept hearing all these different songs,

2046
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 5: but like that's that's what I got from it, Like

2047
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 5: they were, they were two separate people. And when I

2048
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 5: think I started crying now, I cried a lot, but

2049
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 5: I start when when when when Smoke was holding Stack

2050
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 5: and Stack was dying, watching Michael B. Jordan hold himself

2051
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 5: while he's dying. I was just sitting here, like.

2052
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 3: My brain nomina something because obvious.

2053
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 5: Every single category should have everybody all.

2054
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: That, because I I believe this nigga was holding himself

2055
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:00,759
Speaker 1: watching him self die.

2056
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 4: And I actually even thought about it, think about it.

2057
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 3: But it hit me.

2058
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: It hit me different because in that moment, I'm thinking

2059
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: he's watching his own face die, you know what I mean.

2060
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm like not even like as a character and

2061
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: an actor, Like I'm just like, God, damn, this would

2062
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: fuck someone up so bad.

2063
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 3: That's why he wasn't trying to hit her. When she

2064
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 3: was talking, he was like, I don't I.

2065
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 1: Don't care any innately understood there was no convincing him

2066
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: of putting that body outside, so she did the next

2067
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 1: best thing to save his life.

2068
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 5: Which is what Annie. Mary would never talk about that,

2069
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 5: but you know what what I thought of. They loved

2070
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 5: each other so much, Smoking Stack And at the end

2071
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 5: when when when Stack says, it was the best day

2072
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 5: of my life, it was the last time I saw

2073
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 5: the sun. It was the last time I saw my brother.

2074
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 5: You know how vampires can't see their own reflect He

2075
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 5: can't even see his brother in his face, like his

2076
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:04,759
Speaker 5: brother is gone.

2077
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: God, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2078
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:10,759
Speaker 2: Karen, go ahead, I'm sorry.

2079
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:15,600
Speaker 6: And something else when uh, I forgot which one was

2080
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 6: talking to Sammy and they was talking about their dad

2081
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 6: and how abusive.

2082
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 3: That their dad.

2083
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 6: Uh And he was like, yeah, my brother killed him.

2084
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 6: I was like, that makes sense to why he saved

2085
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 6: his why he didn't kill him and.

2086
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 3: Smoke killed the father to save Stack Stack.

2087
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: Clearly to us on screen, Stack reads as the crazy

2088
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 1: wild card brother. But it's Smoke that just Smoke, the

2089
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: one that that's gonna get it done.

2090
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 5: Like like they could kill his mother when he shot people? Right,

2091
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 5: did Stack ever shoot anybody?

2092
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:50,520
Speaker 4: Uh?

2093
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 3: I don't think Yeah, I don't think he did.

2094
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 5: The smoke ship. I think this swap was the only

2095
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 5: one who shot anybody between the two of them.

2096
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,799
Speaker 3: Damn, I think you're right. Yeah he shot them to

2097
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 3: because he too. Yeah, he shot them to and he

2098
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 3: shot them too.

2099
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 2: He got Ship done like he was.

2100
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: But it's but also that protective vein explains why he

2101
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,839
Speaker 1: couldn't kill Stack right, like he couldn't. He just fucking

2102
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: It's like I would have saved your life back then,

2103
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: just to end it as I'm obviously was saving you

2104
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 1: from our father's abuse, and now I will be your killer.

2105
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 2: I can't do it.

2106
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 1: And I love the way they cut away and then

2107
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: reveal that later because they got me like I didn't

2108
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: see it, but in my mind I had forgotten about

2109
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 1: that moment.

2110
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, everybody.

2111
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 3: God, this is such a right. And then the second

2112
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 3: you see Stack come up and he's telling.

2113
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 1: The story, you're like, like, the second I saw him

2114
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 1: in the coach, I went, oh, because he couldn't.

2115
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 2: He couldn't kill his brother. That's fucking ridiculous.

2116
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 5: But when he said that smoke said don't touch Sammy,

2117
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 5: and he just didn't, like yeah, like a like a

2118
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 5: like a murderous thing empire. The connection was that strong.

2119
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 5: It's like my brother said, not to my big brother said.

2120
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: That's when that's when I four hundred percent sure knew

2121
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 1: Remick was evil, Like it wasn't a it wasn't.

2122
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 2: Vampires are evil.

2123
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: That he didn't have to do any of this ship

2124
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: Stack probably had converted another motherfucker the whole time, because

2125
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: he's like, look, I'm now a mortal or whatever the fuck,

2126
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: and I'm and I promised I wasn't gonna touch my my,

2127
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:28,679
Speaker 1: my cousin.

2128
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 2: That's it.

2129
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: I do want to let him know we out here,

2130
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 1: and he and honestly he offered them the same ship

2131
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 1: like if you won't, he's like, I'm good. It's like

2132
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 1: all right, damn fam I love that they both had

2133
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 1: to vocally confess their love different ways, different characters. But

2134
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan Coogler is one of those dudes that

2135
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: one of the things I resonate with his work is

2136
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: that he thinks about like women, black women equal like

2137
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: he thinks about it. He's not a stumble into some shit.

2138
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: Got yeah, like like pan.

2139
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 3: Of women's have purpose.

2140
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,680
Speaker 1: The reason Black Panther One hit so hard to me

2141
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: is that the whole plot of the movie is like.

2142
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 2: Listen to the black people, listen to black women.

2143
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: The key is right the whole time, Sure is right,

2144
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: is right and so, and that's a you know, through

2145
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 1: up the core of his movies, that is a recurring theme,

2146
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, so to see like them like the obviously

2147
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: it means something that they was even putsy in the

2148
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: twenties or whatever the fuck Like obviously that means something.

2149
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: But more importantly than that, it was like how they

2150
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 1: were listening and how they had to come clean cause

2151
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: like Mary is not any on any level as.

2152
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,640
Speaker 3: Far as that, but Mary is.

2153
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I believe Dack loves Mary, and I believe him when

2154
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,639
Speaker 1: he's like when he's cold towards her, you know, it's

2155
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 1: because he thinks it's gonna protect her.

2156
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 3: Yes, at no point did I think like because he

2157
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 3: bitches ain't shit.

2158
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm it was like I was just waiting for him

2159
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 1: to have his moment or like god damn it, yes,

2160
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: you know I love you, but you cannot be safe

2161
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,520
Speaker 1: with again the nigga from the south.

2162
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 5: Right, and you can't be you're trying to be a

2163
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 5: white woman and you can't be seen. They'll kill me

2164
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 5: and you right, and.

2165
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 1: You have like there's this it's like the kid that's

2166
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna make it out the hood. It's fucked up, but

2167
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: it is what it is. You have the chance to

2168
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: go be white. Yes, there's nothing safer for you in

2169
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: America than being white. There's nothing I can provide you.

2170
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 1: If I have to make you think, I hate you

2171
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 1: for you to go make that choice. You should go

2172
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 1: make that choice. And in her own like kind of

2173
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:36,799
Speaker 1: selfish white and womanish ways, she's like, fuck that choice.

2174
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't value my safety if it's not with you.

2175
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,759
Speaker 1: I'll burn everything down just so we can be together,

2176
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 1: which kind of speaks to her own privilege.

2177
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 2: But you know the core of her character as well.

2178
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 5: And I think that I think that Stack bit Annie

2179
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 5: because he thinks he thought that if Annie turns, then

2180
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 5: then Smoke would get would be more willing to turn,

2181
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 5: and the four of them could together forever.

2182
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 4: Yes, But.

2183
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 5: Annie's will was so let me ask you a question.

2184
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 5: This is something that I that I thought of. I

2185
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 5: told you that because Rod asked me to do this,

2186
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, whatever I went to see it,

2187
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 5: and I was like, I can't do it because I

2188
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 5: was crying for hours after. I cannot do it. I

2189
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,600
Speaker 5: have I didn't get anything from it because I'm too emotional.

2190
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 5: I was literally taking a walk and I stopped dead

2191
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 5: in my tracks because a million like things just kept

2192
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 5: fall like all this symbolism and all this like like,

2193
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 5: oh my god, when he did this? Did he mean that?

2194
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 5: But one of something that I thought of, And I

2195
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 5: want y'all to to let me know if you, if

2196
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 5: you with the with the understand that this was a

2197
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 5: layered story. I was trying to understand why Smoke did

2198
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 5: what he did.

2199
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 4: At the end.

2200
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 5: The obvious answer is he lost the love of his life,

2201
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 5: he lost his brother. There's nothing left for him to

2202
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:02,839
Speaker 5: live for obvious, absolutely for sure. But what I thought

2203
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 5: was also one of the other layers couple. But one

2204
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:11,719
Speaker 5: of them was something that Remick said got to both

2205
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 5: him and Sammy, not enough for him to join him,

2206
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 5: but in a sense that there will never know freedom.

2207
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 5: They're never going to there's never going to be a

2208
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 5: point in our black ass life where these people will

2209
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,719
Speaker 5: leave us alone. It won't always be a vampire, It'll

2210
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 5: be the Klan. It'll be some like random ass racist whatever.

2211
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 5: So my thought was he knew that this was a

2212
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 5: is it called a dummy mission when you know you're

2213
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 5: gonna die but you do then Yeah, So it was

2214
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 5: one of him and a bunch of klansmen. He knew

2215
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 5: that he was going to die at some point. But

2216
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,679
Speaker 5: for me, he was saying, I can't stop the world

2217
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 5: from terrorizing black people, but I can stop these specific

2218
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 5: particular racist white people from doing any damage to the

2219
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 5: people around to the black people around us right or

2220
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:11,719
Speaker 5: around here. I'm also willing to die because my wife

2221
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 5: is gone, my child, my daughter is gone. He could

2222
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 5: have hopped on in the car with Sammy and drove

2223
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:23,520
Speaker 5: to whatever. But then the whole Chicago nothing but plantation

2224
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 5: with skyscrapers. It could get so much worse for his bloodline.

2225
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 5: Does he want to bring another family, another child, Does

2226
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 5: he want like a generation a bloodline of of of

2227
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 5: of of children and children's children who have to battle

2228
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 5: vampires and all shape forms and sizes, or does he

2229
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 5: just like, this is my decision as a human here,

2230
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 5: it ends here. Nobody else is going to have to

2231
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 5: go through this. That's what I thought.

2232
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 4: What else?

2233
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 2: So There's a couple of things there.

2234
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 1: The first thing I want to say is I knew

2235
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: you was do this uh thing.

2236
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 2: This is Mike. You can learn a lot from me.

2237
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:07,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna try to like convince her or fix

2238
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: it or whatever.

2239
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 2: I know bossy well enough. She just needs some time.

2240
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 1: She's like, even even when she was like, I don't

2241
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:15,600
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna see it, I never told her to

2242
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 1: go see it. I never was like, you gotta go

2243
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 1: see it. I was like, you're gonna have to go

2244
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: see it because you are you.

2245
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna wait it out.

2246
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 1: You're you are who you have always been, and you

2247
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 1: cannot not see this. And the experience I had was

2248
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,799
Speaker 1: so beautiful. I it's it's like they made a movie

2249
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: for you. Why, Like, I'm sure a hundred people have

2250
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 1: told you to go see it, and you've told them

2251
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: politely no, why.

2252
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the ninetieth or the one

2253
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 2: hundred of one. So what That's the other thing.

2254
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 1: The second thing is she does see it and she's like,

2255
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:51,760
Speaker 1: and that's when I'm like, you want to do the thing,

2256
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 1: watch it out there and review it, and she goes,

2257
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: I can't.

2258
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 2: I can't even stop crying or whatever.

2259
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, understood, because it's she's not gonna

2260
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 1: stop thinking about it. It's too beautiful of anything. That's

2261
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: why she's gonna want to talk about it. She can't

2262
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 1: stop crying. Who the fuck don't want to talk about

2263
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 1: something that made them feel like that?

2264
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 3: You're gonna be talking about that forever.

2265
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 2: I believe.

2266
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,680
Speaker 1: During the beginning of like the Kendrick Beef, it was

2267
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 1: like something like, I don't I can't just see us

2268
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: talking about this right, I'm like, this is gonna be

2269
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: our life.

2270
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 2: I've been waiting on.

2271
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 5: Personality after the after the the Kendrick Beef was my

2272
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 5: personality for a year. Is my new personality? Somebody needs

2273
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 5: to do something next year.

2274
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 1: To listen, you come along way from Bruno mars now

2275
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 1: to the things now to the things you were bringing up.

2276
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: I think Stack does believe, and he believed in all

2277
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 1: the Annie spiritual stuff the whole time. He didn't want

2278
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 1: to believe in it, obviously, but he believed in it,

2279
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: and that when he took off that that charm.

2280
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 3: That's I wrote that down.

2281
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I said, he's going to be with Annie.

2282
01:53:57,320 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2283
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 6: I was like, that was his decision to die at

2284
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 6: thateriod of time because his brother couldn't bite him because

2285
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 6: of that necklace.

2286
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he understood, like his faith was

2287
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 1: not in her religion or whatever, because I don't think

2288
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: he knows all the practices his faith was in Annie.

2289
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 3: Like, I believe in you.

2290
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:21,240
Speaker 1: If you believe in this, then I believe in you

2291
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: believing in this, and it had he had just gone

2292
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: through two things that would make him feel a way,

2293
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: which is one, vampires exist.

2294
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 2: That's a real fucking thing.

2295
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: So who would have thought about Who would have thunk

2296
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,839
Speaker 1: that the day before? So maybe there's some elician afterlife,

2297
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 1: phil where I get to go live with my wife

2298
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: and my dead baby.

2299
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 3: Like, why the fuck would I not believe.

2300
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 5: That he chose He chose that heaven right opposed to

2301
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 5: that Sammy's father is trying to give him the forever

2302
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 5: that was trying to give up. My question is what

2303
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 5: happened in the morning when the town woke up.

2304
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the klan woke up and they went to go.

2305
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 5: Burn the onquel. I want to know.

2306
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the klan woke up first and then they then

2307
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: everybody else woke up because the clan apparently earlier Bread

2308
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 1: earlier rise.

2309
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 3: But uh, it was like, so you.

2310
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 1: Have the vampire thing, so now you there's things beyond

2311
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 1: human understanding that he now has his idea of. And

2312
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: then the second thing is the Klan. Whiteness won't stop.

2313
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: So like that town, well, he told Sammy to go

2314
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: and be safe. I feel like he knows it's just

2315
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 1: a matter of time for that shit too, like Whiteness

2316
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: is coming for all black joy.

2317
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 2: And happiness and and and and.

2318
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 1: Commerce and everything, and he just decided, like I'm checking

2319
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 1: out here, I'm taking as mean as him out with

2320
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 1: me as I can, and then I'm off to the afterlife.

2321
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 3: So I those are the reasons I felt that.

2322
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 5: He did it.

2323
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: Uh, And then Karen and Mike, you guys can, uh

2324
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 1: can if you have different reasons, and then if not,

2325
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 1: we'll move to the next character.

2326
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 3: Oh all right, the same. I agree.

2327
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 6: I think the second he took off that necklace, I

2328
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 6: think that that was his decision that he no longer

2329
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 6: wanted to be there. And it's also was that thing

2330
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 6: where he knew if they showed up, they were going

2331
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 6: to kill them like like, and I think that because

2332
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 6: Remick had kind of told them, hey, they coming in

2333
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 6: the morning, so he already knew, which caught them by

2334
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 6: surprise when they hit their front door and they people

2335
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 6: went coming out stebbing it and drunking all that stuff.

2336
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 6: And the time that they did it was club letout times. Yes,

2337
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 6: like they were coming to murder them in that building.

2338
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 2: They weren't like waiting until noon the next day, right.

2339
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 6: And it's also one of those things to where you

2340
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 6: look at it. He had I don't know how much

2341
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 6: time he had or if he did it after he

2342
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 6: sent Samon back home, but he had guns everywhere, so

2343
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 6: he was prepared for the war.

2344
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 3: And so I do agree.

2345
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 6: I think that he was ready to go, and he

2346
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 6: knew that he wouldn't go get no peace, you know,

2347
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 6: because technically in his mind he lost his brother because

2348
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 6: his brother was was quote unquote no longer human.

2349
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 1: Right, you know, and you know, and so his mind

2350
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: he lost his child and his and his wife. I mean,

2351
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: he was right, he was ready to go. What was

2352
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 1: what's my purpose?

2353
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:22,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2354
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 2: What about you, Mike?

2355
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: What did those reasons cover? Why you think he did

2356
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 1: what he did?

2357
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 4: Same things? The only thing I would add, if it

2358
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 4: might have been said already, but I saw it as

2359
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 4: him taking control. It was just his opportunity to have

2360
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:41,839
Speaker 4: control over his demise, right and and and knowing what

2361
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 4: was going to be his afterlife. Uh, and believing when

2362
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 4: Annie was telling him that that's the only thing. But

2363
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 4: I mean it was let me, did this happen in

2364
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 4: y'all's theater? Like folks clapped when he shot everybody? The

2365
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 4: folks like stand up and applause.

2366
01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 3: Well, people was.

2367
01:57:57,800 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 1: hYP I don't remember if they stood up and clapp

2368
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 1: but I just remember everybody like being hype.

2369
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was super hype. And it was a theater.

2370
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 4: Like I told you, we were in Florida, so it's

2371
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:09,720
Speaker 4: kind of a mixed bag in terms of the theater.

2372
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 4: And folks were standing up yelling like it looked like

2373
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 4: the Arsenia Hall.

2374
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 3: We need a never mind.

2375
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 1: America needed a reminder that we all should apply killing

2376
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 1: the Klan.

2377
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 2: It's sad that we need that, right, but.

2378
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 1: We are at a point in America where like a

2379
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 1: theater full of people getting a hey guys, these are

2380
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 1: bad people always all the time. It felt good because

2381
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 1: the scene what makes that seem so fucking amazing to me?

2382
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: And I've moved this into the next point as well,

2383
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 1: I love. It reminds me the role that the Church

2384
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 1: plays and Slash doesn't play in this film is fucking immaculate.

2385
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 2: Like it's not like I don't.

2386
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 1: Think it's necessarily shitty on religion, Like I think you

2387
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 1: can be a religious person and watch it and enjoy it.

2388
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 2: I think.

2389
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 1: I actually got to talk to the actor who played

2390
01:58:56,720 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: Cornbread the other day on the radio, and he's a

2391
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 1: very religious person. He said he almost he wasn't gonna

2392
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 1: take the role. But there was something that Coogler put

2393
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 1: in the movie, the line from Remick to Sammy where

2394
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:14,000
Speaker 1: he says, those words were basically used to given to

2395
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 1: my people by the people that conquered my people, and

2396
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:22,480
Speaker 1: and yet I still can find solace in them and

2397
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:25,760
Speaker 1: he and so to him, he was like, yes, like

2398
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: I do find solace in those words.

2399
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:28,840
Speaker 2: It's not ironic to me.

2400
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 1: And even though obviously Coogle was also pointing out these

2401
01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 1: words are used to make people subservient, they're not of

2402
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 1: our culture. There, you know, your father's dedicated his life

2403
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 1: to this, But when you look at why his father

2404
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 1: may have dedicated his life to that, he probably came

2405
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: from an abusive ass household.

2406
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 5: Like you know, like that yeah, like this like that,

2407
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 5: that's right.

2408
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 1: These choices weren't just like in a vacuum where you know,

2409
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 1: we're we're judging with the twenty twenty twenty five standards

2410
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 1: of the day, like, well, well why didn't you. It's like,

2411
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 1: because they didn't have that many choices, it's gonna be

2412
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 1: a preacher.

2413
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 2: They maybe they won't kill you.

2414
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I love that religion wasn't the

2415
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 1: answer in that, Like there was no magical power of

2416
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 1: like the hey say the cross, or you say this

2417
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 1: prayer and then the vampire go, oh, I can't bite them.

2418
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:19,680
Speaker 2: There was no get out of jail free car.

2419
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 1: And I love that at the end when the father

2420
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 1: is trying to take Sammy get them to drive the guitar,

2421
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 1: and like, now that you've been scared, now that you

2422
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:32,400
Speaker 1: have you're making a fearful decision, run it to me

2423
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:35,960
Speaker 1: in my arms of the Lord. And Sammy ultimately doesn't

2424
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 1: make that decision, you know. I yeah, And if anything,

2425
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 1: he kind of you know that final scene that to

2426
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,680
Speaker 1: the end of the credits, he's blending the cultures together,

2427
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 1: he's bringing the Something's father.

2428
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure would have never let him doing that.

2429
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 4: Church.

2430
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: But he's bringing the blues to the to the to

2431
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 1: the to the gospel. And there's something so beautiful about

2432
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:58,640
Speaker 1: that because to me, that really symbolizes African American culture

2433
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:03,400
Speaker 1: in America, like the creativity, the constraints, the breaking of

2434
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: those constraints, the melting of genres and all that stuff.

2435
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 1: The innovation. Like I didn't get that scene the first

2436
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 1: time I saw it. I was like, what, Okay, I

2437
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 1: guess I stayed after the credits for the same maybe

2438
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 1: all the audience needs that because they need their to

2439
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:24,520
Speaker 1: feel better or something. And then I thought about that

2440
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:26,640
Speaker 1: shit for like two days. It was like, oh my god,

2441
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 1: this nigga's a genius. But yeah, the roll of the

2442
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:33,080
Speaker 1: church Karen Mike Bossi.

2443
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:33,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2444
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 6: And also when you look at the religious part of

2445
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 6: it with Sammy, you realize.

2446
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 1: At the oh and feel free to throw any in

2447
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 1: there too, since the spirituality, religion, all that stuff.

2448
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 6: And not the very very inn How when he gave

2449
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,480
Speaker 6: them permission to come and see him, how they was

2450
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:59,000
Speaker 6: like that new shit is like seeing that original shit,

2451
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:03,400
Speaker 6: like like like because in their mind the sound that

2452
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,920
Speaker 6: had the most soulful feeling that actually moved them to

2453
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 6: their core was the original stuff that he first did,

2454
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:13,840
Speaker 6: and it kind of changed over time because people changing

2455
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 6: all that stuff.

2456
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 3: But in their mind they was like, that's all.

2457
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: I You made me wonder if Sammy had used his

2458
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,040
Speaker 1: gift in that way, since you just made me think

2459
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 1: about that, because like if everyone was getting that experience,

2460
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:29,680
Speaker 1: like what the vampire saw was was Sammy doing because

2461
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:31,680
Speaker 1: once he you said, yeah, he made a note that

2462
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:33,760
Speaker 1: you changed the music, Yes he did.

2463
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 2: It's not what this is.

2464
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:36,680
Speaker 1: It don't hit the saund I want to hear that

2465
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 1: shit you used to do you know that spirit?

2466
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 4: Did he change it? Or did the white people change right?

2467
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:42,760
Speaker 4: The white right?

2468
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it really does.

2469
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 2: Man, Dad Karen blew my mind.

2470
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know because that stuck out to me

2471
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 1: that they specifically was like, no, we want to hear

2472
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: your old ship. We were like that that original stuff.

2473
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:59,200
Speaker 1: That was like that's all I got all your albums though,

2474
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 1: but it's nothing like like that first time that it

2475
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 1: actually moved my soul anything any spirituality before I moved

2476
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:07,760
Speaker 1: to the next people.

2477
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 6: The thing I liked about her was that she was

2478
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:12,480
Speaker 6: just a part of the community.

2479
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 3: She was in an outcast. She was she wasn't the

2480
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 3: other you know, they weren't like this.

2481
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 5: They trusted her.

2482
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like, this is just what she does.

2483
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:27,840
Speaker 2: And she even took the black money.

2484
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and and she was like it's okay, you know that.

2485
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:36,400
Speaker 6: And so I think that a lot of the people

2486
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 6: in the community have been protected by.

2487
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 3: Her and and like the things that she has done.

2488
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:43,160
Speaker 6: So for a lot of them, even even the people

2489
02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 6: that with the church and religious that go, I get it.

2490
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 6: Whatever this is, it has some type of power behind it,

2491
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 6: if that makes sense. So they believed in that, and

2492
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 6: and from that they kind of in some people's mind

2493
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 6: they connected to that to some power to God, which

2494
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:59,760
Speaker 6: actually for them made it.

2495
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 3: Kind of okay for her to be around.

2496
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 6: I don't know if that makes sense, Like like like

2497
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 6: that's how a lot of them rationalized it out. Uh,

2498
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,440
Speaker 6: particularly particularly in a time where where white people are

2499
02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:10,360
Speaker 6: trying to kill you.

2500
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:12,000
Speaker 3: Anything it takes.

2501
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 6: To prevent them from coming up here and fucking everything

2502
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:17,480
Speaker 6: and everybody up, Like if it takes me getting a

2503
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 6: thing from you to put.

2504
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:20,000
Speaker 1: In my house, or the white man won't come in

2505
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 1: here and rape me girl, whatever it takes.

2506
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 3: And so you know, you have to think about the time.

2507
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 6: They was in and and and where they were and

2508
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:31,240
Speaker 6: the things around them, to the fact that I really

2509
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 6: really liked the fact that she wasn't frowned upon, even

2510
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 6: if you did not understand what she was doing. Yes,

2511
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:42,839
Speaker 6: and that's and and that's the thing, and they allowed

2512
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 6: her just to be all right.

2513
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 2: I forget who I said was next, Mike.

2514
02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 4: I think I think he said, like the the two

2515
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 4: things I wanted to add on to what Karen was

2516
02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:56,920
Speaker 4: saying is one my my grandmother's Cuban and she was

2517
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:00,560
Speaker 4: definitely uh. I don't know. I don't know what it

2518
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 4: was called when I was a child, but I saw

2519
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:08,600
Speaker 4: her do things and that scene when she was in

2520
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:11,360
Speaker 4: her house and she was like preparing, she got stuff together,

2521
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:15,360
Speaker 4: should I put her hair? I vividly remember my grandmother

2522
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:18,520
Speaker 4: doing stuff like that and like being like getting ready

2523
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 4: to do something magical is how it looked to me

2524
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:25,760
Speaker 4: as a child. And I remember stories of my mom

2525
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 4: telling me in Cuba how the woman in the community

2526
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 4: would be sought after if people were in pain, if

2527
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 4: people needed healing, if people wanted something good or bad

2528
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:41,400
Speaker 4: to happen to somebody else they knew. And my grandmother

2529
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:43,200
Speaker 4: was one of those people. So I saw my grandmother

2530
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 4: in that character, Nanny's character. The other thing too, is

2531
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:48,880
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I don't know if I've heard

2532
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,360
Speaker 4: this anywhere because I purposely haven't really listened to a

2533
02:05:51,400 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 4: lot of commentary before or after I saw the movie.

2534
02:05:55,640 --> 02:06:01,480
Speaker 4: But the Sammy's character wasn't y'all tell me if I'm

2535
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:03,440
Speaker 4: I don't know my Bible the way I should, the

2536
02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 4: way I used to. But the death was the angel

2537
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:09,080
Speaker 4: of the Lord at one point, right, It wasn't the

2538
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 4: angel of music.

2539
02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:12,240
Speaker 2: He got cast out.

2540
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:16,560
Speaker 4: He got cast out the music ministry. And I think that,

2541
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:21,680
Speaker 4: of course there's a connection to what Sammy's abilities were,

2542
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:25,560
Speaker 4: and that's what the vampires were sought after, right. And

2543
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 4: I couldn't help but think about all of the great

2544
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:35,520
Speaker 4: singers in our lifetime that we've seen have this battle

2545
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:40,040
Speaker 4: between church and popular music.

2546
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:42,440
Speaker 3: That's how they used to find us. Like like, I'm

2547
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 3: like like like like it's.

2548
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,600
Speaker 6: Kind of moved away from that, but that's how they

2549
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:47,440
Speaker 6: used to find us.

2550
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:50,000
Speaker 3: They used to actually just go to the churches and

2551
02:06:50,440 --> 02:06:52,040
Speaker 3: just find us and pluck us out.

2552
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:55,200
Speaker 5: I have a theory on that, always thought about that

2553
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 5: I've never expressed.

2554
02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 7: M M.

2555
02:06:57,480 --> 02:07:00,440
Speaker 4: So if you think of we were talking about the

2556
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,760
Speaker 4: culture vulture in remic, right. If you think of the

2557
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,520
Speaker 4: names that we all know, Tommy Mottola, If you think

2558
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:11,120
Speaker 4: of of Homeboy that found that, that found Whitney Houston

2559
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:13,600
Speaker 4: in the church.

2560
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:15,839
Speaker 2: No, No, that wasn't.

2561
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:20,800
Speaker 3: There was baby did you talk about?

2562
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 5: I see him in my face.

2563
02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:31,920
Speaker 4: And all of these, all of these real people Clyde Davis,

2564
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,720
Speaker 4: that have that that vampire like quality that find our churches,

2565
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 4: find our best voices and end up killing our great singers.

2566
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:46,480
Speaker 4: I think of the you know, we talked about Donnie Hathaway,

2567
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 4: we talked about Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Prince snoother like

2568
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 4: Sam Cook. I mean, there's so many of the the

2569
02:07:54,680 --> 02:07:58,840
Speaker 4: great voices of our generation that have had these untimely

2570
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,839
Speaker 4: deaths do to this constant battle of like good and evil.

2571
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:06,480
Speaker 4: And then that that's what I saw the church representing

2572
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:09,560
Speaker 4: in uh in in in the film.

2573
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:10,560
Speaker 2: Bossy, What were you gonna say?

2574
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:14,800
Speaker 5: A couple of things. Uh They made it a point

2575
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 5: to keep mentioning or to to to let us know

2576
02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:22,120
Speaker 5: that the twins father was abusive, and then also that

2577
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:26,800
Speaker 5: his that he was Sammy's uncle like his dad's older

2578
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:29,920
Speaker 5: brother or younger their brothers, and the fact that they

2579
02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 5: both probably and this is this is the math that

2580
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:34,440
Speaker 5: I did when I was taking my walk, But their

2581
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:38,760
Speaker 5: father was probably enslaved at some point, either either at

2582
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 5: the tail end or or at some point. So the

2583
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,560
Speaker 5: ways in which they too, they they handled their traumas.

2584
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:49,520
Speaker 5: One became abusive, one became a preacher. And it's all

2585
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:56,840
Speaker 5: born of the same need to to to tend to

2586
02:08:57,000 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 5: generational traumas and generational wounds. And so the grace that

2587
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:07,080
Speaker 5: I give Sammy's father is that I know all of

2588
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:10,160
Speaker 5: this horrible, terrible things that happened in the world, and

2589
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 5: my cover is God in Jesus. I don't know any

2590
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,320
Speaker 5: of the words, I don't know any of the hoodoo

2591
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:19,600
Speaker 5: to like to make anybody feel better. I don't have

2592
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:22,080
Speaker 5: any control, I don't have any power. All my powers

2593
02:09:22,080 --> 02:09:24,320
Speaker 5: in the Lord, and that's the only thing I can

2594
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:27,000
Speaker 5: offer you in this your time of need. And so

2595
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:31,920
Speaker 5: being able to see that both Remic and his father

2596
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:37,000
Speaker 5: were offering him fear yes, and could not choose fear,

2597
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:41,200
Speaker 5: he didn't. He killed it over here with the thing

2598
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 5: that was supposed to be his downfall, according to his father,

2599
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:47,080
Speaker 5: was what literally saved his life when it came to

2600
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:51,880
Speaker 5: when it came to to remic and what freed him,

2601
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:56,160
Speaker 5: and him feeling free and his father needing to protect

2602
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:58,520
Speaker 5: him because I don't think it's all like, ah, I

2603
02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:01,480
Speaker 5: don't care about you, I love you, I don't know

2604
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,400
Speaker 5: how to do this. I don't know how to take

2605
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:05,720
Speaker 5: care of you. I don't know how to protect you. Clearly,

2606
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:08,640
Speaker 5: I don't know anything but to give you the fear

2607
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 5: that keeps you close to me, which is how a

2608
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:15,080
Speaker 5: lot of black parents parent through this veil of fear

2609
02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:17,040
Speaker 5: and a lot of times it's going a tangent but

2610
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 5: like now the days, but due to social media, people

2611
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:24,800
Speaker 5: lose the nuance of why parents behave the way they do.

2612
02:10:25,400 --> 02:10:27,920
Speaker 5: It's not about being abusive and it's not about that.

2613
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:31,000
Speaker 5: It's like knowing that these people came from somewhere and

2614
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:35,160
Speaker 5: every generation believes that they're breaking a generational curse, and

2615
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 5: they are, but there are still things that need to

2616
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:40,960
Speaker 5: be built upon. So that was the first thing. But

2617
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 5: to what Mike was saying, I'm a huge Sam Cook fan,

2618
02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:49,040
Speaker 5: Like he's been my like my favorite artist that's not

2619
02:10:49,120 --> 02:10:53,040
Speaker 5: Kendrick since I was eight years old and I read

2620
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:56,840
Speaker 5: his biography that was made on of like the comprehensive

2621
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:00,120
Speaker 5: biography on Sam Cook, and I was like, I was

2622
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:03,720
Speaker 5: shocked at all of the things that that that that

2623
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:06,560
Speaker 5: went on in his life. But there are so many

2624
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 5: stories of gospel singers who go against the church and

2625
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 5: they become secular singers, and and a lot of times

2626
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:17,960
Speaker 5: something happens to them, like they die, they they they

2627
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:21,200
Speaker 5: get all kinds of things, something tragic happens to them.

2628
02:11:21,560 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 5: And the the the Christian viewpoint is, see, we told

2629
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,400
Speaker 5: you the devil got you. See we told you that.

2630
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:33,120
Speaker 5: But what I think happens is they left the church.

2631
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:37,160
Speaker 5: And because they left everything you talked them about love,

2632
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 5: about about forgiveness, about cherishing, about about about the eternal

2633
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:47,280
Speaker 5: unconditional love that comes with with with the cover of Christ,

2634
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:51,600
Speaker 5: all of that you take away from them. Now they're horrible.

2635
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 5: Now they're there. They don't mean anything. Now they're they're

2636
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:56,960
Speaker 5: no good. Now they belong to the world, all of

2637
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:58,240
Speaker 5: these they're they're worldly.

2638
02:11:58,760 --> 02:11:58,960
Speaker 4: Right.

2639
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:03,040
Speaker 5: So if you're telling somebody that just because I made

2640
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:05,280
Speaker 5: this decision, I am that is the end of me.

2641
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:11,480
Speaker 5: My soul is gone. What prevents them from being reckless

2642
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:15,320
Speaker 5: people what prevents them from falling headfirst into all the

2643
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,280
Speaker 5: vices because you said that they're unforgivable, You said that

2644
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 5: they'll never be redeemed. You said that that once they

2645
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 5: leave the cover of the church, the sanctity of the church,

2646
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:29,640
Speaker 5: then they're they're dead to you. So without that, they

2647
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:31,760
Speaker 5: don't have anything to protect. So I don't think it's

2648
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:33,840
Speaker 5: a it's a it's a it's a oh they did

2649
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:37,320
Speaker 5: this and that happened. It's because this happened because you

2650
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 5: took away everything that I've known to be supportive. What's

2651
02:12:40,840 --> 02:12:44,280
Speaker 5: the point of being anywhere needs community?

2652
02:12:44,360 --> 02:12:47,160
Speaker 4: And how does that make them any different than the vampires?

2653
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 2: Right said, unless you're going to conform.

2654
02:12:51,800 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're going to conform, you're cast out. And

2655
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:58,160
Speaker 1: if you're cast out, you're dead. Does and we want

2656
02:12:58,160 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 1: to use your gifts to spread the words that we want, right,

2657
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:03,440
Speaker 1: Like play the guitar.

2658
02:13:03,160 --> 02:13:05,720
Speaker 5: In church a gift, but do it for our reason.

2659
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, everything I said I totally co signed.

2660
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,840
Speaker 2: As far as Annie, I love that she had read

2661
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:15,240
Speaker 2: the scription.

2662
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:18,760
Speaker 1: I love that she knew what was gonna happen in

2663
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:21,520
Speaker 1: each scene in the movie because she was ready in

2664
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 1: the way nobody else was She was like, guys, those

2665
02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:26,040
Speaker 1: are vampires.

2666
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:27,920
Speaker 2: Okay, don't let them in.

2667
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Like get the body out of the house, like

2668
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:35,760
Speaker 1: she had did the research. And uh, clearly if they

2669
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 1: had listened to her, we would all be Kamala Harris

2670
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:40,040
Speaker 1: would be president right now.

2671
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:44,760
Speaker 3: But she knew what she was talking about.

2672
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:47,840
Speaker 5: The other thing too, I love that they listened to

2673
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:50,240
Speaker 5: her too. They listened to her. Smoke was like, you're

2674
02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:52,240
Speaker 5: gonna listen to her because she knows what she's talking about.

2675
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:58,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that point that Mike brought up about

2676
02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:03,000
Speaker 1: religion and the devil being an angel because it reminds

2677
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 1: me of Kendrick Lamar's reincarnated.

2678
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:20,760
Speaker 7: See, almost everything comes back to if it wasn't for

2679
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 7: a BOSSI, if she.

2680
02:14:23,080 --> 02:14:24,840
Speaker 1: I knew she had points to make and I didn't

2681
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:27,240
Speaker 1: want to distract her. But I almost cut Michael off

2682
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:30,200
Speaker 1: before BOSSI was talking to be like, you.

2683
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:32,080
Speaker 2: Don't have to say it, I'll say it.

2684
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:37,440
Speaker 1: Reincarnated Kendrick Lamar thought of all that, even the even

2685
02:14:37,480 --> 02:14:41,080
Speaker 1: the thing of like these other stars that are black,

2686
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:43,240
Speaker 1: that were cast out of church, that were cast out

2687
02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:47,320
Speaker 1: of community, who fel to their own vices. Yes, even

2688
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:51,160
Speaker 1: the idea of what you do with those gifts, you know,

2689
02:14:51,320 --> 02:14:56,000
Speaker 1: the angel taking music and then trying to rehabilitate himself and.

2690
02:14:55,960 --> 02:14:57,360
Speaker 2: Bring it back to earth.

2691
02:14:57,400 --> 02:14:59,640
Speaker 1: It reminds me of Stack in a way of like,

2692
02:15:00,360 --> 02:15:03,040
Speaker 1: this gift does not I'm a vampire. I don't have

2693
02:15:03,120 --> 02:15:06,440
Speaker 1: to be evil. I'm just a vampire. Oh so, like

2694
02:15:06,600 --> 02:15:09,040
Speaker 1: I like that. And then the other thing I was

2695
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:12,280
Speaker 1: thinking too is who do you think I think would

2696
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:15,920
Speaker 1: be the funniest actor to have to be let in

2697
02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:19,520
Speaker 1: the house as a vampire. Because the dude that played

2698
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:21,960
Speaker 1: corn Bread was great, he was like he was a

2699
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:27,200
Speaker 1: good one. But like, if you could cast one random

2700
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:31,520
Speaker 1: black person as need just a meaningless two minute scene

2701
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,080
Speaker 1: of begging to be letting the house, that make it?

2702
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:38,280
Speaker 2: The audience laugh, Karen, who would you? Who would you cast?

2703
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:43,320
Speaker 6: We kind of talked about this before and I have

2704
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,800
Speaker 6: several people, but I'm I'm gonna.

2705
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 1: Go go at your top one because I'm gonna make

2706
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:49,440
Speaker 1: it quick for everybody.

2707
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:54,280
Speaker 6: My top one I would love to see, uh, Kat

2708
02:15:54,360 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 6: Williams uh like, like that's my favorite. That's a good one,

2709
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 6: and you need to be dressed up as the pimp.

2710
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:01,080
Speaker 6: Ain't slip back?

2711
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:04,839
Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay, it might not fit the time period,

2712
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:08,880
Speaker 1: but I would I'll allow it, thank you, because I

2713
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:12,280
Speaker 1: can't see.

2714
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah s he could be a pimp.

2715
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 2: He just you know, you know what, Ruther figured it out.

2716
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:19,080
Speaker 1: Ruth figured it out because she got she had all

2717
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:22,280
Speaker 1: of them looking modern to me, like they all look modern,

2718
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 1: like obviously they close look more modern than Jonathan Major's close.

2719
02:16:25,640 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 1: Like right, I was like, this is right, y'all could

2720
02:16:29,680 --> 02:16:32,800
Speaker 1: roll in. Y'all could roll into the black Dandy place,

2721
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:35,440
Speaker 1: and I'd be okay and fit right on in. Mike,

2722
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:38,680
Speaker 1: do you have a person that you would have loved? Oh, Bossie,

2723
02:16:38,680 --> 02:16:40,840
Speaker 1: go ahead, I know, I'm.

2724
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:42,560
Speaker 5: Just gonna say. I know Jonathan is sick that he

2725
02:16:42,560 --> 02:16:45,199
Speaker 5: couldn't get it. He canceled himself before.

2726
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:50,000
Speaker 2: The next is right. He was like every day he

2727
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,120
Speaker 2: is somewhere dandy.

2728
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:54,440
Speaker 4: He had his dandy outfit on the hangar.

2729
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:57,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he was waiting for that call up.

2730
02:16:57,800 --> 02:16:59,480
Speaker 1: He was hoping someone got sick and they had to

2731
02:16:59,520 --> 02:17:02,200
Speaker 1: pull him up from the second string like a quarterback,

2732
02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:05,440
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I guarantee you that that.

2733
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he was ready. He was suited, just.

2734
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:11,879
Speaker 3: Holding Megan his hand tight as hair, just mad. Just

2735
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:13,840
Speaker 3: what about you?

2736
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,119
Speaker 2: Like any anyone you would have cast.

2737
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:22,400
Speaker 4: Woman, this woman, this woman anyway? I would say I

2738
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:24,120
Speaker 4: have I have a funny answer and that I'm not

2739
02:17:24,120 --> 02:17:28,680
Speaker 4: so funny. Okay, I would say, uh, Eddie Murphy because

2740
02:17:29,360 --> 02:17:34,000
Speaker 4: his ability to have so many different voices, I feel

2741
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:36,480
Speaker 4: like he would just like old people.

2742
02:17:37,959 --> 02:17:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2743
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:42,840
Speaker 4: My off kilter answer for also humorous purposes would be

2744
02:17:42,879 --> 02:17:47,160
Speaker 4: Shannon Sharp, just because I feel like his his vampire accent.

2745
02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:47,000
Speaker 1: Like.

2746
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:49,920
Speaker 5: You doing.

2747
02:17:51,520 --> 02:18:00,120
Speaker 1: Right, Empire, vampire lags in five? What about you? Who

2748
02:18:00,120 --> 02:18:03,000
Speaker 1: would you cast the person?

2749
02:18:03,080 --> 02:18:05,480
Speaker 5: First? I want to talk about Cornball real quick. When

2750
02:18:05,480 --> 02:18:08,680
Speaker 5: he was asking for his money and his hand was over.

2751
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:13,560
Speaker 1: Here, like that was so fucking funny to me. Can't

2752
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:16,240
Speaker 1: you can you believe Karen was shocked he tried to

2753
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:20,240
Speaker 1: buy him. I was like, this nigga is moving like

2754
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:23,720
Speaker 1: a bite. Every part of his being is I'm gonna

2755
02:18:23,720 --> 02:18:24,800
Speaker 1: bite you and cares like.

2756
02:18:26,959 --> 02:18:32,320
Speaker 3: I hadn't you how I'm a scaty cat. And when

2757
02:18:32,360 --> 02:18:35,400
Speaker 3: he reached down and all of a sudden his face changed,

2758
02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:37,000
Speaker 3: I was like, the fuck's happendent?

2759
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,440
Speaker 2: I can't believe that Karen was shot.

2760
02:18:39,560 --> 02:18:41,959
Speaker 5: When he and I jumped, you asked it for your money.

2761
02:18:41,959 --> 02:18:42,960
Speaker 5: It's like give me my money.

2762
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:48,120
Speaker 8: He was, right, can we out here doing? You know

2763
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:51,480
Speaker 8: when we're supposed to be going. I was like this

2764
02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:53,840
Speaker 8: Wigga the club.

2765
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:57,480
Speaker 4: We all feld He was really good.

2766
02:18:57,720 --> 02:18:59,959
Speaker 5: But my choice is Kiki Palmer.

2767
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one, all right, So I'll give mine.

2768
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:13,720
Speaker 1: People suggested a lot of good people. Kevin Hard, Keenan

2769
02:19:13,800 --> 02:19:16,920
Speaker 1: Thompson was a good one. All the reginas they were did,

2770
02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:22,680
Speaker 1: but mine is it's more serious, but it's way funnier

2771
02:19:22,680 --> 02:19:28,680
Speaker 1: than everybody else's. Jonathan Majors It needed to be because

2772
02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:30,119
Speaker 1: it's on a meta level.

2773
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:34,599
Speaker 3: I just feel like we are.

2774
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:37,280
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm glad they didn't do it because honestly, everyone

2775
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:38,480
Speaker 1: would have had to leave the theater.

2776
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:44,480
Speaker 4: Made such a crazy statement like that's something that Kolan

2777
02:19:44,560 --> 02:19:47,320
Speaker 4: would do, Like that would be crazy.

2778
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:53,920
Speaker 5: They work together in Creed, right he wanted I think that.

2779
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he may have even written a role for him. Yeah,

2780
02:19:58,840 --> 02:19:59,600
Speaker 3: not everybody.

2781
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:02,280
Speaker 2: It's weird. I've never seen it like this for a

2782
02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:03,240
Speaker 2: black person before.

2783
02:20:03,320 --> 02:20:05,560
Speaker 1: I've seen it for white people a lot, but I've

2784
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:08,000
Speaker 1: never seen so many people being like, we need to

2785
02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:08,800
Speaker 1: get him back.

2786
02:20:10,680 --> 02:20:12,879
Speaker 3: I've never seen no shit, not for black people.

2787
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:18,800
Speaker 1: Everybody normally be like, no nigga, you know, like this

2788
02:20:18,959 --> 02:20:22,080
Speaker 1: the first time people have been like, so, we got

2789
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:23,360
Speaker 1: a movie coming out next week.

2790
02:20:23,360 --> 02:20:24,879
Speaker 4: All right, what.

2791
02:20:24,920 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 2: About Mary, guys, let's talk about Mary real quick.

2792
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:33,039
Speaker 1: Something about Mary, Karen, you have any feelings on Mary.

2793
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:40,240
Speaker 6: Mary was an interesting character because she represented a lot

2794
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:42,240
Speaker 6: of people in the South that.

2795
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:47,000
Speaker 3: You present white even though you're not really white. But

2796
02:20:47,080 --> 02:20:47,920
Speaker 3: niggas know you.

2797
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,920
Speaker 6: But you can't be on outside of town and you

2798
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 6: can't see us. You have to turn your nose a

2799
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,560
Speaker 6: walk past us because you if you acknowledge us in

2800
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:56,600
Speaker 6: any way other than telling us to get out, get out,

2801
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:58,120
Speaker 6: my white nigga, it becomes an issue.

2802
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:02,480
Speaker 3: And it was one of those things.

2803
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:06,840
Speaker 6: Where I believe that she loved that man, and she

2804
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:10,959
Speaker 6: loved him very dearly. And I do believe his thing was,

2805
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:16,280
Speaker 6: I'm gonna treat you bad, just so you understand. It's

2806
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:18,840
Speaker 6: not for me. It's for your protection. Gone out there

2807
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:21,560
Speaker 6: with your white husband, live your best white life. But

2808
02:21:21,720 --> 02:21:24,640
Speaker 6: this his thing was, I'd rather see you alive and

2809
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:27,879
Speaker 6: out there than with me and dead, if that makes sense,

2810
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:33,280
Speaker 6: and so right, And so I think that after she

2811
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:36,920
Speaker 6: got bit, it is just me. I think it was

2812
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:39,039
Speaker 6: her that made the decision to go in there and

2813
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:42,119
Speaker 6: bite him.

2814
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:44,680
Speaker 2: Like I I you don't think controlling her.

2815
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:48,039
Speaker 6: No, and and and and the biggest reason why is

2816
02:21:48,120 --> 02:21:50,360
Speaker 6: because she could have been anybody, because you know, because

2817
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:53,400
Speaker 6: you know, because if I'm a bite somebody, I could

2818
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:54,320
Speaker 6: have been anybody.

2819
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:58,600
Speaker 3: But she was the only one that when she came,

2820
02:21:59,360 --> 02:22:02,119
Speaker 3: she went and asked. They was like, oh, come.

2821
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:04,320
Speaker 2: On in, you know, but she went straight for him.

2822
02:22:04,440 --> 02:22:06,400
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like you have this room.

2823
02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:07,480
Speaker 2: Because like we can be together.

2824
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:09,760
Speaker 1: And that would make sense because even when they were

2825
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:12,680
Speaker 1: under the thrall of Remick, they wanted to turn Annie

2826
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:15,080
Speaker 1: because they knew that that would help, that would get

2827
02:22:15,640 --> 02:22:19,080
Speaker 1: Smoke to the turn and then of course that would

2828
02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:22,560
Speaker 1: get Sammy to turn. So no, I think that's and

2829
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:22,920
Speaker 1: so and.

2830
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:25,480
Speaker 6: So in my mind, that's why that's why I was like, oh,

2831
02:22:25,640 --> 02:22:29,280
Speaker 6: that was her decision, because and that's why she was

2832
02:22:29,320 --> 02:22:32,400
Speaker 6: like we coming after y'all, And it was more of

2833
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:35,840
Speaker 6: she meant y'all as a collective, but she actually meant

2834
02:22:35,879 --> 02:22:39,080
Speaker 6: like the other two, you know, Like in my mind, like.

2835
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:41,680
Speaker 2: She ran out of there, which was funny. I was like,

2836
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:43,320
Speaker 2: she's not gonna turn.

2837
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:47,360
Speaker 6: Nobody else, because that was her goal, her goal, because

2838
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:49,039
Speaker 6: she was like, if he's in there and they don't

2839
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:52,039
Speaker 6: let him out, he gonna get him anyway, go ahead.

2840
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:56,119
Speaker 5: Just very I didn't. I forgot to mention this stack

2841
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:58,920
Speaker 5: was in that was in the juke, like he had

2842
02:22:58,959 --> 02:23:01,400
Speaker 5: locked himself in the when the when the when the

2843
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:06,800
Speaker 5: klan was coming. That's neither here nor there. But what

2844
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:10,160
Speaker 5: we were talking about, Oh Mary, Okay. People keep saying

2845
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:14,080
Speaker 5: that Mary and Mary loved I think that it was toxic.

2846
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,640
Speaker 5: I think that they that they had like an attraction

2847
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:20,240
Speaker 5: and a passion for each other. But because of the

2848
02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:25,080
Speaker 5: way that she was, so her privilege blinded her to

2849
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:29,400
Speaker 5: like the realities, and she didn't care about like even

2850
02:23:29,400 --> 02:23:31,280
Speaker 5: in the in the in the wide open at the

2851
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:34,720
Speaker 5: training station, she was not careful at all about his

2852
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:39,800
Speaker 5: life or her life. So her turning him was I

2853
02:23:39,800 --> 02:23:42,800
Speaker 5: think a selfish act because she knew that he couldn't.

2854
02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:47,600
Speaker 5: He couldn't. He couldn't. Uh, he couldn't resist that, he couldn't.

2855
02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:50,240
Speaker 5: She couldn't. He couldn't walk away from her if he

2856
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 5: did that, if she did that, and that was her

2857
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:56,039
Speaker 5: only goal, even her walking out there to talk to

2858
02:23:56,760 --> 02:24:00,720
Speaker 5: to remic in them. She was going after what he wanted,

2859
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:03,200
Speaker 5: which is he wanted the gold like Smoke was all

2860
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,400
Speaker 5: about the money, and she was like, if I get

2861
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:08,480
Speaker 5: that money for him, he's gonna to talk to me.

2862
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2863
02:24:09,320 --> 02:24:10,920
Speaker 5: And then she sucked around and they're not gonna do

2864
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:13,879
Speaker 5: anything to me because they think I'm white, right, And

2865
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:17,400
Speaker 5: then she sucked around and found out she's the white liberal.

2866
02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:21,680
Speaker 4: She's the white liberal, like for sure, and I definitely,

2867
02:24:22,520 --> 02:24:27,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's subconscious, probably are very conscious. I

2868
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,720
Speaker 4: didn't really vibe with her character, like I didn't take

2869
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:33,440
Speaker 4: enough time in the theater to get to know her.

2870
02:24:33,800 --> 02:24:36,680
Speaker 4: Like I was just like, oh this you know white

2871
02:24:36,760 --> 02:24:39,080
Speaker 4: white people. Shit, you know what I mean? She being white?

2872
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:42,280
Speaker 4: She all dangerous, reckless, they kissing out public. She can't

2873
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:44,400
Speaker 4: get this man, she can get this man Lynch like

2874
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:48,080
Speaker 4: look at all reckless and abusive. That and two when

2875
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:51,440
Speaker 4: she turned him, there was something about it that like

2876
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:55,000
Speaker 4: they was doing too they was going too long like

2877
02:24:55,560 --> 02:24:59,720
Speaker 4: everybody else's got bit like she was enjoying turning him

2878
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:02,880
Speaker 4: a litt a little bit too much. It felt it

2879
02:25:02,920 --> 02:25:07,840
Speaker 4: felt like it felt toxic, boss, like you said toxic,

2880
02:25:07,879 --> 02:25:10,000
Speaker 4: like in the true terms, like how we think of

2881
02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:15,120
Speaker 4: a toxic relationship. Today she was enjoying killing him right

2882
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:17,840
Speaker 4: in a different way than just like I'm gonna make

2883
02:25:17,879 --> 02:25:20,320
Speaker 4: him like me. I didn't like it. I didn't like it,

2884
02:25:20,360 --> 02:25:22,400
Speaker 4: and I just I didn't invest a lot in her

2885
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:25,280
Speaker 4: character because it seemed like very typical to.

2886
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:27,720
Speaker 2: Me as an MCU fan.

2887
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:33,640
Speaker 1: Seeing Haley Steinfeld act that way was like, that's when

2888
02:25:33,640 --> 02:25:35,040
Speaker 1: I had to be oh, she can act like this,

2889
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:38,160
Speaker 1: that thing where you're like, that's totally different than when

2890
02:25:38,200 --> 02:25:41,920
Speaker 1: you play Hawkeye and the PG thirteen TV show like,

2891
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:45,680
Speaker 1: and she had the black like acting down to where

2892
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:48,800
Speaker 1: like you know, those people were we can tell people

2893
02:25:48,840 --> 02:25:50,680
Speaker 1: are black, but white people can't tell people are black.

2894
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:54,120
Speaker 1: That thing she because like even at the train station,

2895
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:59,039
Speaker 1: I was like, she nah, I'm looking too far into this.

2896
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:00,880
Speaker 1: He need to get away from that white woman. But

2897
02:26:00,959 --> 02:26:03,720
Speaker 1: later when they started telling that story and shout to

2898
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:06,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler, he would of course cast someone who was

2899
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:10,800
Speaker 1: exactly the same racial makeup of the character. So which

2900
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:12,879
Speaker 1: is I don't know how that's gonna affect their career

2901
02:26:13,240 --> 02:26:15,720
Speaker 1: because they have been seeing her as a white leading

2902
02:26:15,800 --> 02:26:18,640
Speaker 1: lady for a minute, and now these white people know

2903
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:22,000
Speaker 1: that she's black, and I think some of us have

2904
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:27,320
Speaker 1: had to, like you shake the family tree, a negro

2905
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:28,480
Speaker 1: might fall out.

2906
02:26:28,600 --> 02:26:30,760
Speaker 2: But now we know it's confirmed.

2907
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:32,760
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't affect their career in any negative

2908
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:35,160
Speaker 1: way because I don't think she can make a career

2909
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:37,720
Speaker 1: out of these roles because she'll become the most hated

2910
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:39,480
Speaker 1: woman in Hollywood if she did that shit.

2911
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:42,120
Speaker 4: So I didn't know she. I didn't know, Like, so

2912
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:44,959
Speaker 4: she's really yes, ten times down there.

2913
02:26:44,840 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 5: He's gonna I think her mom is half black or

2914
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:51,760
Speaker 5: her grandfather. I think it's like her grandfather's half black.

2915
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:55,600
Speaker 6: Because Ryan Coogler ain't dumb, and he know people are

2916
02:26:55,720 --> 02:26:58,640
Speaker 6: going to actually verify that shit. He made sure that

2917
02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:01,960
Speaker 6: he got somebody because that's the ship niggas do. When

2918
02:27:01,959 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 6: you have somebody like that, people are gonna va fire.

2919
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:05,600
Speaker 3: To see their lineage.

2920
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:08,600
Speaker 6: So he made sure before she got that role. Not

2921
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:10,640
Speaker 6: telling me funny because he because they know how people

2922
02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:11,840
Speaker 6: are when you start.

2923
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:14,800
Speaker 3: He covered all.

2924
02:27:14,720 --> 02:27:17,080
Speaker 5: His bases, like all the left fields, like where are

2925
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:19,040
Speaker 5: the queer characters? And where that? He was like all right,

2926
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:25,600
Speaker 5: but as far as everything else, he he covered. Some

2927
02:27:25,640 --> 02:27:28,800
Speaker 5: of us want to say about Barry just like somebody else.

2928
02:27:28,840 --> 02:27:32,000
Speaker 5: You know, one of the things that that that I

2929
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:35,160
Speaker 5: that struck me about Mary too, is that her being

2930
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:38,320
Speaker 5: a vampire gave her permission to be wild, and gave

2931
02:27:38,360 --> 02:27:41,800
Speaker 5: her permission in a in a way that I mean,

2932
02:27:42,600 --> 02:27:45,520
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not racist my grandfather's black type way,

2933
02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 5: where when she was white, she was all like, I'm

2934
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:49,600
Speaker 5: gonna go out there and I'm gonna talk to them

2935
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:51,520
Speaker 5: and they're gonna, you know whatever. As soon as she

2936
02:27:51,560 --> 02:27:56,120
Speaker 5: became a vamp, she was wild and in closet she

2937
02:27:56,280 --> 02:27:56,840
Speaker 5: was doing this.

2938
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:00,760
Speaker 1: I think that also goes into that feeling feeling about

2939
02:28:00,760 --> 02:28:02,519
Speaker 1: her relationship with Stack.

2940
02:28:03,160 --> 02:28:03,480
Speaker 4: Is that.

2941
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:08,440
Speaker 1: Even that felt like her wanting to rebel, it didn't

2942
02:28:08,480 --> 02:28:11,520
Speaker 1: feel like we need to be together as lovers because

2943
02:28:11,560 --> 02:28:15,320
Speaker 1: he honestly had not really shown her love. It was

2944
02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:18,800
Speaker 1: him finally saying it at the party to say but

2945
02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:21,119
Speaker 1: up until that point he had been treating her like shit. Now,

2946
02:28:21,160 --> 02:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I will say that gas lighting shit has done that

2947
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:28,360
Speaker 1: to many a woman. Well, like a dude is clearly

2948
02:28:28,440 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 1: having like you can sense that they have deeper emotions

2949
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:35,120
Speaker 1: than they're letting on and they're doing the opposite, and

2950
02:28:35,160 --> 02:28:37,120
Speaker 1: it will fuck your head up enough to where you're like,

2951
02:28:37,160 --> 02:28:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm sticking around because I'm I need the truth, motherfucker,

2952
02:28:40,840 --> 02:28:43,200
Speaker 1: whether we're together or not. You need to fucking tell

2953
02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:46,920
Speaker 1: me what is happening, because I don't think if they

2954
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:49,240
Speaker 1: don't get turned to vampires, I don't think they're gonna

2955
02:28:49,240 --> 02:28:53,039
Speaker 1: be together at any point. But I will say they're

2956
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:55,720
Speaker 1: together in nineteen ninety two, guys, So.

2957
02:28:56,040 --> 02:28:57,840
Speaker 5: But did you see the way that they were together.

2958
02:28:58,840 --> 02:28:59,880
Speaker 5: She didn't say anything.

2959
02:29:00,400 --> 02:29:03,080
Speaker 3: She was just she had finally she.

2960
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:06,840
Speaker 1: Had finally learned when black people are talking, shut the

2961
02:29:06,879 --> 02:29:09,840
Speaker 1: fuck up. And I appreciated that. It's a small it's

2962
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:12,600
Speaker 1: a small thing, Ryan Coogler. But I saw what you did, Okay.

2963
02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:17,240
Speaker 4: I saw her in that nineteen ninety two clips as

2964
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:18,800
Speaker 4: a video girl, like.

2965
02:29:18,840 --> 02:29:21,519
Speaker 2: As like video masing type, the video.

2966
02:29:21,320 --> 02:29:26,920
Speaker 4: Vixen, like the start of the video vixen, that lollipop,

2967
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:30,360
Speaker 4: the earrings, you know, all that as what they were

2968
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 4: trying to light skin.

2969
02:29:31,560 --> 02:29:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, just what I figured was they had had at

2970
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:37,240
Speaker 1: least twenty thirty fifty years of Look, a few decades

2971
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:40,600
Speaker 1: of therapy. It can get you in a good place,

2972
02:29:40,920 --> 02:29:44,640
Speaker 1: like they have worked some shit out, apparently being vampires together,

2973
02:29:44,680 --> 02:29:47,560
Speaker 1: because that's a long time vampire or not to still

2974
02:29:47,560 --> 02:29:51,480
Speaker 1: be together sixty years later. So when they showed up together,

2975
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:54,440
Speaker 1: I was actually like, Okay, well you know that's there.

2976
02:29:54,480 --> 02:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Happily ever after or whatever. But yeah, I much like y'all.

2977
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:01,720
Speaker 1: I was not that pressed about Harry as a character,

2978
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:03,920
Speaker 1: but I felt like the movie wasn't that pressed.

2979
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:05,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't Mary's story.

2980
02:30:06,480 --> 02:30:08,720
Speaker 1: A lot of this felt like purposeful choices to be like,

2981
02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:12,400
Speaker 1: whiteness is not the key to this story, Like race

2982
02:30:12,480 --> 02:30:15,520
Speaker 1: is happening, but yeah, how it affects white people, what

2983
02:30:15,560 --> 02:30:18,279
Speaker 1: white people think is not what we're asking in this story.

2984
02:30:18,680 --> 02:30:20,640
Speaker 1: I'll go through some fast ones because I know.

2985
02:30:21,480 --> 02:30:25,080
Speaker 5: Really really quickly though. When the Oscar nominations come up,

2986
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:31,160
Speaker 5: if she is nominated for Best Or and she.

2987
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:37,959
Speaker 1: Wins, yeah, I refuse. I refuse to even get pre

2988
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,040
Speaker 1: mad about that. They're gonna have to do that in

2989
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:42,800
Speaker 1: real time. Smack me in my face, and then I

2990
02:30:42,840 --> 02:30:45,200
Speaker 1: will not. I'm not spending another what do we got

2991
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:47,680
Speaker 1: seven months to the Oscars? I'm not doing seven months

2992
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:48,080
Speaker 1: of anger?

2993
02:30:48,120 --> 02:30:52,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, they I staying with Bossie.

2994
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:55,680
Speaker 1: If that ship happened, I'm going I'm going crazy.

2995
02:30:56,400 --> 02:30:56,760
Speaker 4: Grace.

2996
02:30:57,520 --> 02:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Grace's character has been misunderstood. I feel

2997
02:31:02,600 --> 02:31:05,000
Speaker 1: like her character's been misunderstood and that a lot of

2998
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:09,000
Speaker 1: people think I think she's people think she's just there

2999
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:13,279
Speaker 1: to be like Asian people are white people and racist

3000
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:14,120
Speaker 1: to black people.

3001
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:17,480
Speaker 2: Grace is clearly part of the community.

3002
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:18,520
Speaker 3: And that's not made up.

3003
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:23,320
Speaker 1: That's actual, like facts that white people's racism meant they would.

3004
02:31:23,080 --> 02:31:25,240
Speaker 2: Not have put stores in black communities.

3005
02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:28,720
Speaker 1: Uh, and they also would not frequent Asian stores, and

3006
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:31,640
Speaker 1: they also would not allow Asian people to buy their shit.

3007
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:35,480
Speaker 1: So it becomes a symbiotic relationship or whatever. They clearly

3008
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:37,440
Speaker 1: went back, you know, and I think it's smoke that

3009
02:31:37,480 --> 02:31:40,640
Speaker 1: goes in there and they're like they clearly was cool

3010
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:43,560
Speaker 1: back in the day before they even left town was

3011
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:46,280
Speaker 1: ready for the juke joint shit. But it's always, if

3012
02:31:46,280 --> 02:31:50,199
Speaker 1: you notice, it's always a financial relationship, meaning like the money.

3013
02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:52,600
Speaker 1: They had to get the money right, and it was cute,

3014
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:55,320
Speaker 1: like it was part of the lingo of the relationship.

3015
02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:57,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was mad at each other, but

3016
02:31:57,440 --> 02:31:59,640
Speaker 1: like when he's like, well, how much for we're gonna

3017
02:31:59,640 --> 02:32:00,000
Speaker 1: need a song.

3018
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:02,640
Speaker 2: So I think that's on purpose.

3019
02:32:03,879 --> 02:32:07,240
Speaker 1: But the main thing is I think people feel like

3020
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:10,760
Speaker 1: she let them in, the vampires in because she was like,

3021
02:32:10,840 --> 02:32:14,080
Speaker 1: fuck these black people, and just from the way she

3022
02:32:14,280 --> 02:32:17,320
Speaker 1: killed her husband, I think she clearly was only thinking

3023
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:20,840
Speaker 1: of her daughter. That doesn't necessarily make it okay, I

3024
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:24,280
Speaker 1: just made I think there's a way to interpret this

3025
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:28,160
Speaker 1: as like Ryan Coogler wrote a bad character or bad scene,

3026
02:32:28,280 --> 02:32:30,920
Speaker 1: like he fucked up, or he means all Asian people

3027
02:32:30,959 --> 02:32:33,000
Speaker 1: are trash or some shit, and I'm like, I think

3028
02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:35,560
Speaker 1: y'all are going too far. You don't got to agree

3029
02:32:35,560 --> 02:32:39,800
Speaker 1: with her doing that shit, but her motivations were clear

3030
02:32:39,879 --> 02:32:43,720
Speaker 1: when she was set on fire and burned and killed

3031
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:45,119
Speaker 1: her husband only.

3032
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:46,720
Speaker 3: And they both went down.

3033
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I feel like she was saying, the knowledge of where

3034
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:55,520
Speaker 1: our daughter is dies to hear, and I hope, like,

3035
02:32:55,640 --> 02:32:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens to the rest of you motherfuckers,

3036
02:32:57,640 --> 02:32:59,959
Speaker 1: but that like the pussy e and shit didn't matter

3037
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:03,320
Speaker 1: me speaking in another lane, but you threatening my daughter

3038
02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:05,440
Speaker 1: did it, and that does make her a weak link

3039
02:33:05,480 --> 02:33:08,760
Speaker 1: because everybody else knew, Like, there's nothing they can say

3040
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:10,199
Speaker 1: that we should be entice.

3041
02:33:10,360 --> 02:33:13,879
Speaker 5: Everybody had people, though everybody in that room came from

3042
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:15,600
Speaker 5: somewhere and had people at home.

3043
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know he didn't, but he didn't

3044
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:19,240
Speaker 1: call out. He didn't call out any of those people.

3045
02:33:19,400 --> 02:33:21,320
Speaker 1: He didn't call out any There's a reason they wrote

3046
02:33:21,360 --> 02:33:23,920
Speaker 1: it that way for her, like if they because they

3047
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:27,080
Speaker 1: didn't say, Annie, you got a cousin, like they clearly were,

3048
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:31,320
Speaker 1: like we we that little Asian girl we saw earlier

3049
02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:34,600
Speaker 1: that was adorable. She's a fucking dead person unless you

3050
02:33:34,959 --> 02:33:37,400
Speaker 1: uh let me in or kill me.

3051
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:40,279
Speaker 2: And that I like, I said, I go ahead.

3052
02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:45,199
Speaker 5: No I I I gently pushed back on that because

3053
02:33:45,240 --> 02:33:50,720
Speaker 5: I think she definitely represents the concept of people of

3054
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:54,920
Speaker 5: color who stop beating people of color once it serves

3055
02:33:54,959 --> 02:33:57,959
Speaker 5: them to do something else. She's protecting her lineage. She

3056
02:33:58,160 --> 02:34:01,920
Speaker 5: came both worked on the black side, the black in

3057
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:05,600
Speaker 5: the black store. Grace worked in the white store. We

3058
02:34:05,720 --> 02:34:09,440
Speaker 5: saw her leave the white store and walk over and

3059
02:34:09,480 --> 02:34:13,080
Speaker 5: her daughter, Lisa took her place at the white store

3060
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,240
Speaker 5: when we when we had that flash to Lisa, she

3061
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:18,240
Speaker 5: was looking out the window of the white store. I

3062
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:20,000
Speaker 5: think that I think that I don't think it was

3063
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:21,880
Speaker 5: a bad scene. I don't think that it was poorly

3064
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:24,760
Speaker 5: thought out. If anything, I think it was it was

3065
02:34:24,840 --> 02:34:30,520
Speaker 5: fully fleshed out, and her giving her the grace of

3066
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:34,120
Speaker 5: she was only thinking about her daughter cool. Everyone was

3067
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:38,360
Speaker 5: still setting up, the doors were closed, we were setting up,

3068
02:34:38,440 --> 02:34:42,119
Speaker 5: and then she yells, unbeknownst to anybody around her, come

3069
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:45,800
Speaker 5: on in, motherfuckers. There was it was gonna be sunset

3070
02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:48,440
Speaker 5: in ten minutes, and we were still getting weak. Because

3071
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:51,560
Speaker 5: I was there, we were still getting ready. Annie was like,

3072
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:53,920
Speaker 5: do this. We're still doing this, We're still getting She

3073
02:34:54,520 --> 02:34:57,200
Speaker 5: nobody was prepared for when she said that, because she

3074
02:34:57,240 --> 02:35:00,560
Speaker 5: was only thinking about herself. I would I would agree

3075
02:35:00,600 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 5: with you. Had she let everybody get prepared to let

3076
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:07,760
Speaker 5: them in, She's let them in.

3077
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:10,400
Speaker 1: Well, this is what everybody else.

3078
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:12,440
Speaker 2: This is my retort to that.

3079
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:15,120
Speaker 1: I think if it was supposed to symbolize like a

3080
02:35:16,200 --> 02:35:19,600
Speaker 1: people of color and joining into whiteness, which is the

3081
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:22,440
Speaker 1: critique I've seen of dislike, well, you know Asian people,

3082
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:24,080
Speaker 1: they get white when they want to be white, I

3083
02:35:24,080 --> 02:35:26,440
Speaker 1: think she joins remick. That's the only way to make

3084
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:29,879
Speaker 1: that allegory completely work. It was a selfish move made

3085
02:35:29,879 --> 02:35:33,640
Speaker 1: of love for her daughter. That's not necessarily a race thing.

3086
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:38,560
Speaker 1: That's that's a character, individual choice thing. Like it's like

3087
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:40,959
Speaker 1: they didn't do that to any of Yeah, it was

3088
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:43,600
Speaker 1: what she was was she decided to be an individual

3089
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:48,400
Speaker 1: because they it's check Ov's fans. Vampires have to get

3090
02:35:48,400 --> 02:35:51,480
Speaker 1: in the room for the third act, so this, I

3091
02:35:51,480 --> 02:35:54,320
Speaker 1: don't think the intent was to throw an Asian community.

3092
02:35:55,000 --> 02:35:57,080
Speaker 2: Grace is a character. I don't think the intent was

3093
02:35:57,240 --> 02:35:58,120
Speaker 2: throw her under the bus.

3094
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:02,360
Speaker 1: Is like another subset of like villainous person or you

3095
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:04,600
Speaker 1: know person that it was or not even like the

3096
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:06,879
Speaker 1: white people that from the Klan that let Rimick in.

3097
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they. I don't think.

3098
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:11,959
Speaker 1: I don't think Coogler intended for it to be like that.

3099
02:36:12,040 --> 02:36:13,960
Speaker 1: I think people are walking out the movie hating her.

3100
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:17,720
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that was Coogler's intention,

3101
02:36:17,800 --> 02:36:19,440
Speaker 1: And I think people took it too far with that.

3102
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:21,039
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. I don't That.

3103
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:22,760
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you have to agree with her choice or

3104
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:25,760
Speaker 1: think it was a smart choice or a long term choice.

3105
02:36:25,959 --> 02:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I have an empathetic understanding of like you were like,

3106
02:36:30,200 --> 02:36:32,280
Speaker 1: I think this is the way to save my kid,

3107
02:36:32,760 --> 02:36:35,360
Speaker 1: but I don't. But beyond that, as I said earlier,

3108
02:36:35,400 --> 02:36:38,240
Speaker 1: when he wasn't allowed in, Grace was part of not

3109
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:41,640
Speaker 1: allowing them in like they like it wasn't I'm gonna

3110
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:44,520
Speaker 1: join whiteness, it was something else that you can also

3111
02:36:44,600 --> 02:36:46,600
Speaker 1: dislike I see it.

3112
02:36:46,760 --> 02:36:49,560
Speaker 4: I see it almost as a as a reverse right,

3113
02:36:49,640 --> 02:36:55,200
Speaker 4: So I see it as it is an easy kind

3114
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:58,520
Speaker 4: of trope and maybe a stereotype of like one of

3115
02:36:58,280 --> 02:37:01,920
Speaker 4: the the high levels of like what racism looks like

3116
02:37:02,120 --> 02:37:07,720
Speaker 4: to assume or to use the Asian character in that way,

3117
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:10,320
Speaker 4: and based on everything that we've seen and what we've

3118
02:37:10,320 --> 02:37:13,440
Speaker 4: been talking about, Ryan Coogler, like, that's just too easy.

3119
02:37:13,480 --> 02:37:18,320
Speaker 4: But I think that for us as black folks, the

3120
02:37:18,440 --> 02:37:23,600
Speaker 4: easy access to that part of the story is to blame,

3121
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:27,640
Speaker 4: to blame, right, but to blame the Asian lady. But

3122
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:32,200
Speaker 4: in reality, the devil here is still the white person, right,

3123
02:37:32,680 --> 02:37:36,520
Speaker 4: And what the white person, What whiteness does you know,

3124
02:37:36,879 --> 02:37:42,080
Speaker 4: Remick is the character. But what whiteness does is it

3125
02:37:42,200 --> 02:37:47,200
Speaker 4: causes us to infight with each other. Even though like

3126
02:37:47,240 --> 02:37:49,160
Speaker 4: there is like you know, the black brown thing we've

3127
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:53,280
Speaker 4: talked about recently with the election and all that. There's

3128
02:37:53,320 --> 02:37:57,320
Speaker 4: some truth in that for sure, but our focus tends

3129
02:37:57,360 --> 02:37:59,800
Speaker 4: to be on each other and what these other people

3130
02:37:59,879 --> 02:38:03,279
Speaker 4: have color are experiencing people of color, But the focus

3131
02:38:03,320 --> 02:38:04,640
Speaker 4: should be on the evil white man.

3132
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:10,520
Speaker 1: Del Roy Lindo even said, like he likes that analogy

3133
02:38:10,560 --> 02:38:14,040
Speaker 1: of this outside forest causing the community to tear itself

3134
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:18,879
Speaker 1: apart from within and within the purposes, within the purposes

3135
02:38:18,920 --> 02:38:21,920
Speaker 1: of that scene and that story, she is part of

3136
02:38:21,959 --> 02:38:25,680
Speaker 1: their community, even if it's even if it's tertiary, even

3137
02:38:25,720 --> 02:38:28,480
Speaker 1: if the Venn diagram is in the circle that the

3138
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:30,320
Speaker 1: point was this is a community or else.

3139
02:38:30,360 --> 02:38:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't think you have the.

3140
02:38:31,240 --> 02:38:35,480
Speaker 1: Asian people in the scene where you're commuting to the ancestors, Like,

3141
02:38:35,520 --> 02:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I just don't think you get all that if the

3142
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:40,000
Speaker 1: if the purpose is for us to only see her

3143
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:44,560
Speaker 1: as an outsider who betrayed everybody, I just think I

3144
02:38:44,760 --> 02:38:46,280
Speaker 1: don't know if that would feel so long.

3145
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:51,360
Speaker 4: I think I think whiteness, though, the whiteness of it

3146
02:38:51,440 --> 02:38:59,400
Speaker 4: all understands that the black people may right assume that

3147
02:38:59,440 --> 02:39:05,720
Speaker 4: the age is uh, there's more of a proximity between

3148
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:09,440
Speaker 4: white and Asian in the racial you know, in the

3149
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:13,120
Speaker 4: racial oppression wars, and the white people know that, right,

3150
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:15,960
Speaker 4: So they know that the black people are gonna look

3151
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:19,240
Speaker 4: crazy at the Asian person instead of us out here

3152
02:39:19,360 --> 02:39:24,280
Speaker 4: doing the Irish jig because they're in there with them, right,

3153
02:39:24,360 --> 02:39:27,360
Speaker 4: And so like there's just you know, we understand, and

3154
02:39:27,400 --> 02:39:32,080
Speaker 4: sometimes the mistake can be that Asian people this is

3155
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:35,280
Speaker 4: this is all big painting with broad brushes, right. The

3156
02:39:35,400 --> 02:39:39,680
Speaker 4: Asian people sometimes become too akin and too familiar with

3157
02:39:39,720 --> 02:39:43,840
Speaker 4: the white experience and vice versa. Right, So it was

3158
02:39:43,879 --> 02:39:46,400
Speaker 4: an easy choice for Remick to be like, oh, I'm

3159
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:48,480
Speaker 4: gonna get the Asian because you know what I mean.

3160
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:54,800
Speaker 5: So I think, I think again, just like, just like

3161
02:39:55,160 --> 02:39:57,840
Speaker 5: we've been saying all night, all things can be can

3162
02:39:57,879 --> 02:40:01,600
Speaker 5: be true. I don't think I I as a person

3163
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:06,199
Speaker 5: watching who was deeply invested, I didn't like what she did,

3164
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:09,360
Speaker 5: but I understand it in the context of what the

3165
02:40:09,400 --> 02:40:12,440
Speaker 5: movie was trying to say and in the micro and

3166
02:40:12,480 --> 02:40:15,280
Speaker 5: the macro sense. Something that I also wanted to point

3167
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:18,280
Speaker 5: out is during the scene when Sammy is playing and

3168
02:40:18,360 --> 02:40:23,640
Speaker 5: you see the past president future of culture, like one

3169
02:40:23,640 --> 02:40:29,680
Speaker 5: of the most incredible depictions of that idea I've ever

3170
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:32,320
Speaker 5: seen in my life. But if you notice when the

3171
02:40:32,400 --> 02:40:36,320
Speaker 5: Chinese dancers come, they're the same we've seen them before.

3172
02:40:36,959 --> 02:40:39,920
Speaker 5: There was no past president future for them. And my

3173
02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:44,720
Speaker 5: interpretation was it's because Chinese people gate keep the fuck

3174
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:48,240
Speaker 5: out of their culture. You don't get to see anything

3175
02:40:48,400 --> 02:40:52,040
Speaker 5: unless it wasn't until what the mid sixties or seventies

3176
02:40:52,080 --> 02:40:55,240
Speaker 5: that they were allowed to even teach martial arts outside

3177
02:40:55,400 --> 02:40:59,560
Speaker 5: of an Asian country. They gatekeep, so they don't have

3178
02:40:59,600 --> 02:41:03,720
Speaker 5: the constantly reinvent and and and and have to give

3179
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:05,480
Speaker 5: up something and then find a way to build it

3180
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:07,560
Speaker 5: back up together. Everything that we saw, as far as

3181
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:14,080
Speaker 5: the dance, the music, the Grio rappers singers, all that

3182
02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:17,480
Speaker 5: is a result of the fact that Black people are

3183
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:22,240
Speaker 5: constantly having to find new ways to express culture because

3184
02:41:22,280 --> 02:41:25,560
Speaker 5: the remis of the world take it, bastardize it, and

3185
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:28,160
Speaker 5: then and then and then refuse to let us have

3186
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:31,039
Speaker 5: any access to it again. All of a sudden, Beyonce

3187
02:41:31,160 --> 02:41:33,400
Speaker 5: can't be country music because country music is white. Now,

3188
02:41:33,959 --> 02:41:36,160
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, rock and roll is like all

3189
02:41:36,200 --> 02:41:40,080
Speaker 5: of these different things. Boy it comes to Asians. Asians gatekeep,

3190
02:41:40,440 --> 02:41:42,800
Speaker 5: their culture stays the same, they're not They don't have

3191
02:41:42,840 --> 02:41:47,480
Speaker 5: to constantly reinvent or reculture or or repurpose things to

3192
02:41:47,560 --> 02:41:51,400
Speaker 5: make it theirs again. And that's why I believe all

3193
02:41:51,480 --> 02:41:55,160
Speaker 5: that coming together with Grace her working on the white side,

3194
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:57,960
Speaker 5: I think it was just a matter of of of

3195
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:05,720
Speaker 5: the the politics of self preservation and the symbolizing of

3196
02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:08,480
Speaker 5: that is her being concerned with her daughter. I as

3197
02:42:08,520 --> 02:42:11,680
Speaker 5: a viewer, was pissed off about it, But go entering

3198
02:42:11,720 --> 02:42:14,000
Speaker 5: the world and the and the and the framework of

3199
02:42:14,040 --> 02:42:16,520
Speaker 5: what I think that Ryan Kugler was presenting in this

3200
02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:20,160
Speaker 5: entire universe. That's where I think that came from. They

3201
02:42:20,200 --> 02:42:24,520
Speaker 5: protect their culture and she was protecting her culture, which

3202
02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:25,160
Speaker 5: is her daughter.

3203
02:42:25,760 --> 02:42:27,439
Speaker 2: Cam, what are you gonna say?

3204
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:32,640
Speaker 6: I think for me, it's one of those things where

3205
02:42:32,879 --> 02:42:37,840
Speaker 6: it's a mixture of things because of Black people's interactions

3206
02:42:37,879 --> 02:42:41,680
Speaker 6: with Asian people and how they come into our community

3207
02:42:41,720 --> 02:42:44,959
Speaker 6: and boxes out of our own community and sell us

3208
02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:47,920
Speaker 6: things for you know, I mean, and we can't even

3209
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:50,480
Speaker 6: have access to it. I think a lot of people

3210
02:42:50,520 --> 02:42:52,800
Speaker 6: bought that into this the not tell me fun and like.

3211
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:56,920
Speaker 1: They're bringing those these internal things that are real, not

3212
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:00,959
Speaker 1: funny despite whatever expressing themselves. One in the chat said

3213
02:43:01,320 --> 02:43:03,320
Speaker 1: they saw an interview with Ryan Coogler said he has an.

3214
02:43:03,240 --> 02:43:05,120
Speaker 2: Aunt who's Chinese who he loves deeply.

3215
02:43:05,720 --> 02:43:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he was portraying Grace as an interloper

3216
02:43:07,959 --> 02:43:10,039
Speaker 1: slash outsider, but go ahead.

3217
02:43:10,200 --> 02:43:12,360
Speaker 6: Right so so so in my opinion, I really do,

3218
02:43:12,480 --> 02:43:17,000
Speaker 6: and so I get it. I understand, uh these feelings.

3219
02:43:17,200 --> 02:43:20,680
Speaker 6: But the thing is, I'm looking at what was presented

3220
02:43:20,760 --> 02:43:23,160
Speaker 6: to me on the screen, like from my from my perspective,

3221
02:43:23,240 --> 02:43:26,600
Speaker 6: and from what I saw, Yes, it was selfish. Yes

3222
02:43:26,600 --> 02:43:28,720
Speaker 6: it was fucked up and yet and I and I

3223
02:43:28,760 --> 02:43:31,760
Speaker 6: get that part, and the part was to kind of

3224
02:43:31,760 --> 02:43:33,520
Speaker 6: make you angry, like why did you let them in?

3225
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:37,480
Speaker 6: But also she wanted to protect hers just like the

3226
02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:39,359
Speaker 6: black people wanted to protect theirs.

3227
02:43:39,480 --> 02:43:42,240
Speaker 1: It was selfish in the way that Smoke letting Stack

3228
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:43,199
Speaker 1: live was selfish.

3229
02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:48,360
Speaker 2: Agreed, it was selfish in the way that that.

3230
02:43:50,200 --> 02:43:51,640
Speaker 3: She was not seen.

3231
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it was her like it made symbolize this.

3232
02:43:54,720 --> 02:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't think she was thinking as far as the

3233
02:43:57,680 --> 02:43:59,959
Speaker 1: symbolism of it. I think she was as a cat

3234
02:44:00,040 --> 02:44:04,000
Speaker 1: character going I'm throwing my life away, like this is

3235
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:07,720
Speaker 1: suicide mission for me like that. The true selfishness is

3236
02:44:07,720 --> 02:44:10,600
Speaker 1: that she committed everyone else to her suicide. Miss she

3237
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:14,760
Speaker 1: was like, she did not look at that as we're

3238
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:17,360
Speaker 1: all getting out of this. She looked at that as

3239
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:20,240
Speaker 1: like we're dying and we're fucking arguing about what time

3240
02:44:20,280 --> 02:44:21,480
Speaker 1: to let these motherfuckers in.

3241
02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Right, just do it. I'm gonna save my daughter, And

3242
02:44:25,280 --> 02:44:25,879
Speaker 2: I think.

3243
02:44:27,480 --> 02:44:32,120
Speaker 1: The the movie doesn't give like Remick doesn't try to

3244
02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:34,160
Speaker 1: angle with anyone else, so we don't get to see

3245
02:44:34,680 --> 02:44:37,080
Speaker 1: if a black person would have broken that way. They

3246
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:40,160
Speaker 1: may have, but but Remick didn't. He like he could

3247
02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:43,560
Speaker 1: have told Sam, I wanna kill your dad or something like.

3248
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:46,800
Speaker 1: For some reason, And this goes back to you know,

3249
02:44:46,840 --> 02:44:49,959
Speaker 1: Bossi's point. For some reason, Remick knew enough to know

3250
02:44:50,240 --> 02:44:53,480
Speaker 1: this will break you in a way that these black people,

3251
02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:55,879
Speaker 1: these black people will not break together.

3252
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:58,360
Speaker 6: Right because they look at me as an enemy and

3253
02:44:58,400 --> 02:45:00,120
Speaker 6: they go, we don't trust you, right man.

3254
02:45:00,280 --> 02:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that was a big, a good point.

3255
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:05,280
Speaker 1: But I just think the discussion around Grace is not

3256
02:45:05,320 --> 02:45:08,000
Speaker 1: what Bossie was saying. It's the stuff I've seen is

3257
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:11,240
Speaker 1: just like this is what I'm like, Uh, what is

3258
02:45:11,280 --> 02:45:11,760
Speaker 1: he dumb?

3259
02:45:11,800 --> 02:45:12,000
Speaker 4: Now?

3260
02:45:12,160 --> 02:45:14,080
Speaker 2: He just dumb? So he made us fart movie.

3261
02:45:14,080 --> 02:45:16,119
Speaker 3: And then at this last and then it was just like,

3262
02:45:16,520 --> 02:45:16,840
Speaker 3: you know what.

3263
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Fucking man, fuck all Asian people and she's clearly a villain.

3264
02:45:21,160 --> 02:45:22,160
Speaker 2: She's on them excited.

3265
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:26,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, it's del Are we spoking about Delta Slim?

3266
02:45:26,520 --> 02:45:26,720
Speaker 4: Yet?

3267
02:45:26,760 --> 02:45:28,680
Speaker 1: That's that was the next person I was gonna pull

3268
02:45:28,760 --> 02:45:35,920
Speaker 1: up I have two more people left, well, okay, Delta, Slim, Karen, Bossi, Mike.

3269
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:40,560
Speaker 3: He was an interesting character.

3270
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:43,520
Speaker 6: You looking at him, you go, you done been through

3271
02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:45,920
Speaker 6: some things, and you have seen some things, and you

3272
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:50,840
Speaker 6: have you've lived a life, you know, because basically when

3273
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:52,800
Speaker 6: they come to him, he was like, why would I

3274
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:53,600
Speaker 6: fuck with y'all?

3275
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:55,720
Speaker 3: I know if I go over here, I'm gonna get paid.

3276
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:58,880
Speaker 5: What what is y'all really guaranteed?

3277
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:01,760
Speaker 3: Right? Like, I don't, I don't get this.

3278
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:08,360
Speaker 6: And so I think that them offering him beer. I

3279
02:46:08,400 --> 02:46:13,360
Speaker 6: think that him actually hearing Sammy sing it performed, he

3280
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:15,960
Speaker 6: was like he knew that same it was something special.

3281
02:46:16,040 --> 02:46:18,440
Speaker 6: I think that's that's probably the biggest reason why he

3282
02:46:18,480 --> 02:46:19,280
Speaker 6: even agreed to.

3283
02:46:19,240 --> 02:46:20,240
Speaker 3: Do it in the first place.

3284
02:46:22,040 --> 02:46:25,039
Speaker 6: And I think him seeing his buddies on the side

3285
02:46:25,080 --> 02:46:28,920
Speaker 6: of the road and ship like that, you know, like

3286
02:46:28,920 --> 02:46:33,240
Speaker 6: like and it was almost like keep your hands up, fellas,

3287
02:46:33,280 --> 02:46:34,359
Speaker 6: And he basically.

3288
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:37,280
Speaker 1: Goes through the story, Honest to god, that could have

3289
02:46:37,360 --> 02:46:41,760
Speaker 1: been so fucking corny. That could have that is so

3290
02:46:42,120 --> 02:46:46,080
Speaker 1: like message like that's that level of like intent and

3291
02:46:46,840 --> 02:46:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't I tears like it worked so fucking well.

3292
02:46:50,320 --> 02:46:52,600
Speaker 2: I was I was unarmored.

3293
02:46:52,760 --> 02:46:56,119
Speaker 1: It's like he ripped my he rapped my emotional armor

3294
02:46:56,160 --> 02:46:57,600
Speaker 1: off of me and was like, no, Nigga, this is

3295
02:46:57,640 --> 02:46:58,560
Speaker 1: gonna make you cry.

3296
02:46:58,879 --> 02:46:59,560
Speaker 3: This shit hurt.

3297
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:02,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, god, damn darl Roy Lindo was able

3298
02:47:02,200 --> 02:47:04,880
Speaker 1: to do that to me? What he better be get nominated?

3299
02:47:04,959 --> 02:47:06,000
Speaker 3: Yes for something?

3300
02:47:06,080 --> 02:47:10,800
Speaker 6: And then and I just really enjoyed him because particularly

3301
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:12,520
Speaker 6: the funniest part was a ship with the garlic.

3302
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:16,800
Speaker 3: He's like, Nia, We're gonna have to kill you. He

3303
02:47:16,879 --> 02:47:18,840
Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm just choking. I was like, oh,

3304
02:47:18,879 --> 02:47:20,400
Speaker 3: I don't tell you how.

3305
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:25,640
Speaker 1: He vacillates from like serious drama to like literally ship

3306
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:26,680
Speaker 1: your parts comedy.

3307
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:29,800
Speaker 3: Yes, stale, Ary Lindo, What the fuck?

3308
02:47:29,879 --> 02:47:30,039
Speaker 4: Bro?

3309
02:47:30,879 --> 02:47:32,280
Speaker 3: God damn you good?

3310
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:36,440
Speaker 5: He was really really since he's been that one of

3311
02:47:36,480 --> 02:47:37,080
Speaker 5: them one.

3312
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,879
Speaker 3: I believe he was. I believe that Nigga was a

3313
02:47:39,879 --> 02:47:41,920
Speaker 3: blues I believe player.

3314
02:47:42,120 --> 02:47:44,920
Speaker 6: I do too, like like, yeah, you was a blues player,

3315
02:47:45,000 --> 02:47:45,800
Speaker 6: Yes you was, sir?

3316
02:47:45,959 --> 02:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mike, I'm sorry.

3317
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:49,600
Speaker 4: No, I would just say also in Krikland, can were

3318
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:50,080
Speaker 4: you finished?

3319
02:47:50,360 --> 02:47:50,720
Speaker 3: Go ahead?

3320
02:47:52,400 --> 02:47:58,240
Speaker 4: I love Lindo as an actor. I this is niggas

3321
02:47:58,240 --> 02:48:00,800
Speaker 4: from Brooklyn always got a connection. My dad used to do.

3322
02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:04,920
Speaker 4: Used to knows del Roy used to do acting class

3323
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:07,279
Speaker 4: with him in Brooklyn. Some Brooklyn trit of that ship. Anyway,

3324
02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:16,000
Speaker 4: his character was amazing. There was a time again since recently,

3325
02:48:16,120 --> 02:48:20,040
Speaker 4: I think there's always uh something. They call me red pill,

3326
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:22,080
Speaker 4: blue pill. I don't know. I don't trust anything, And

3327
02:48:22,080 --> 02:48:24,640
Speaker 4: there was a moment where I didn't trust his character.

3328
02:48:25,879 --> 02:48:28,440
Speaker 4: He was just he was moving too funny, like he

3329
02:48:28,520 --> 02:48:32,039
Speaker 4: was moving too awkward. I really thought that he was

3330
02:48:32,160 --> 02:48:35,320
Speaker 4: a vampire at one point, but I thought he was

3331
02:48:35,360 --> 02:48:39,320
Speaker 4: able to do some other worldly spiritual shit and he

3332
02:48:39,440 --> 02:48:42,320
Speaker 4: was able to be in that space. But it was

3333
02:48:42,400 --> 02:48:44,600
Speaker 4: the you know, the alcoholism and and you know, the

3334
02:48:44,680 --> 02:48:48,280
Speaker 4: things that he's seen in his life that made him

3335
02:48:48,879 --> 02:48:50,720
Speaker 4: someone put in the in the chat. I was just

3336
02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:55,280
Speaker 4: about to say that Sammy's character and his character they

3337
02:48:55,320 --> 02:49:01,080
Speaker 4: were simpatico, Like they both had some amazing seeing gifts.

3338
02:49:01,320 --> 02:49:05,000
Speaker 4: And I think while Sammy's was his voice and singing, uh,

3339
02:49:05,720 --> 02:49:10,760
Speaker 4: his character was storytelling and and and almost like I

3340
02:49:11,840 --> 02:49:14,000
Speaker 4: kind of like it, like he was like a rapper,

3341
02:49:14,280 --> 02:49:17,520
Speaker 4: Like he was able to use the gift of gab

3342
02:49:17,680 --> 02:49:20,880
Speaker 4: to tell stories and bring it in in such a

3343
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:24,480
Speaker 4: visceral way that I thought he was otherworldly, you know,

3344
02:49:24,520 --> 02:49:26,200
Speaker 4: I thought he was. I thought he was sick or

3345
02:49:26,400 --> 02:49:28,879
Speaker 4: something was going on. But loved his character.

3346
02:49:29,360 --> 02:49:31,880
Speaker 1: And the script clearly knows that we're suspicious of him

3347
02:49:31,920 --> 02:49:34,680
Speaker 1: when they do the garlic scene, right like all of

3348
02:49:34,760 --> 02:49:39,039
Speaker 1: us are like, I.

3349
02:49:38,959 --> 02:49:43,279
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna have to kill old man, But okay, BOSSI.

3350
02:49:44,680 --> 02:49:47,640
Speaker 5: It was him and and Pearly in that scene because

3351
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:49,840
Speaker 5: I was like, Pearly too much of a vixen, and uh,

3352
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:50,840
Speaker 5: what's going on with her?

3353
02:49:50,920 --> 02:49:51,240
Speaker 4: I thought.

3354
02:49:51,280 --> 02:49:55,520
Speaker 5: But one of the things again, the way that I

3355
02:49:55,600 --> 02:50:00,640
Speaker 5: thought about the Twins' father, Delta Slim must been enslaved

3356
02:50:00,680 --> 02:50:05,120
Speaker 5: as well at his age during that time. He knows

3357
02:50:05,160 --> 02:50:07,040
Speaker 5: that when he was at the end of the way,

3358
02:50:09,280 --> 02:50:13,960
Speaker 5: right the way that he he had that that the

3359
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:19,520
Speaker 5: PTSD battle scars drinking is the only way I know

3360
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:23,880
Speaker 5: how to get through this, going from enslave, knowing what

3361
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:26,680
Speaker 5: it means to be enslaved, to being enslaved by a

3362
02:50:26,760 --> 02:50:29,800
Speaker 5: chain gang like being like all these different elements that

3363
02:50:29,879 --> 02:50:34,200
Speaker 5: he had. And the reason, one of the reason why

3364
02:50:34,200 --> 02:50:38,400
Speaker 5: I had such a visceral, visceral response to Grace walking

3365
02:50:38,400 --> 02:50:40,840
Speaker 5: out of that theater is because that man cut himself

3366
02:50:41,240 --> 02:50:44,800
Speaker 5: to draw the vampires to him to protect everybody else.

3367
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:48,760
Speaker 5: He did that, And I can't look at a Grace

3368
02:50:48,920 --> 02:50:53,359
Speaker 5: character and empathize with her despite being a mother, despite

3369
02:50:53,400 --> 02:50:55,800
Speaker 5: all that other thing, when this all black man who

3370
02:50:55,840 --> 02:50:59,640
Speaker 5: has probably seen more horrors than we can imagine, cuts

3371
02:50:59,720 --> 02:51:02,920
Speaker 5: himself else to draw because he knows you at the

3372
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:06,720
Speaker 5: end of his life. Anyway, Come, It'll buy y'all some

3373
02:51:06,760 --> 02:51:09,200
Speaker 5: time to do something whatever it is.

3374
02:51:09,160 --> 02:51:09,640
Speaker 2: You need to.

3375
02:51:09,640 --> 02:51:13,680
Speaker 1: To me, was Delta Slim to me that was that

3376
02:51:13,879 --> 02:51:17,200
Speaker 1: was his community in that room, like that's that's I

3377
02:51:17,240 --> 02:51:20,080
Speaker 1: think to summarize the whole thing with Grace, I think

3378
02:51:20,520 --> 02:51:24,800
Speaker 1: that's the difference. Grace's community was not outside in that

3379
02:51:24,920 --> 02:51:29,080
Speaker 1: room by like her daughter counted more than being with

3380
02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:32,520
Speaker 1: those people. Delta Slim, a guy who we literally had

3381
02:51:32,600 --> 02:51:36,200
Speaker 1: met just earlier that day, who had no real ties

3382
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:38,480
Speaker 1: to anyone, stack had the broblem with beer to get

3383
02:51:38,520 --> 02:51:43,840
Speaker 1: him to go there. Clearly he is uh the They

3384
02:51:43,879 --> 02:51:46,800
Speaker 1: became his community in a day, and that is to me,

3385
02:51:46,920 --> 02:51:49,640
Speaker 1: the ties of blackness.

3386
02:51:49,440 --> 02:51:52,080
Speaker 5: It's to me, it was it was the symbol of

3387
02:51:52,600 --> 02:52:02,440
Speaker 5: the the fucked up, damaged yet still all about loving

3388
02:52:02,959 --> 02:52:09,880
Speaker 5: his people. Elder like that's who he was. He he

3389
02:52:09,920 --> 02:52:14,080
Speaker 5: looked like the most unreliable person, Like he looked like

3390
02:52:14,120 --> 02:52:16,960
Speaker 5: the person who like, oh word and be gone. As

3391
02:52:16,959 --> 02:52:19,600
Speaker 5: a matter of fact, when that fight happened, for some reason,

3392
02:52:19,640 --> 02:52:21,000
Speaker 5: I thought he was involved. I don't know why. I

3393
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:23,440
Speaker 5: just said, like some some some shit he'd be involved in.

3394
02:52:23,720 --> 02:52:26,680
Speaker 5: But to see him that level of bravery, that level

3395
02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:29,960
Speaker 5: of self sacrifice, that level of of empathy that he

3396
02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:35,360
Speaker 5: showed uh so often in those final scenes, it just

3397
02:52:35,520 --> 02:52:38,760
Speaker 5: was a symbol of of of of black elders and

3398
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:43,360
Speaker 5: what they're capable of despite all the the I keep

3399
02:52:43,360 --> 02:52:46,359
Speaker 5: saying traumas, with the traumas and the wounds that caused

3400
02:52:46,360 --> 02:52:50,840
Speaker 5: them to be unreliable, and and and and and easily

3401
02:52:50,879 --> 02:52:52,480
Speaker 5: dismissed because they're just drunks.

3402
02:52:52,160 --> 02:52:55,800
Speaker 1: Who agree that it was real ship that got him

3403
02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:58,320
Speaker 1: to that point out throwing some quick things about him

3404
02:52:58,320 --> 02:53:02,080
Speaker 1: because I think everybody went. I felt like that garlic

3405
02:53:02,120 --> 02:53:04,400
Speaker 1: scene is all about how easy it is for a

3406
02:53:04,440 --> 02:53:07,360
Speaker 1: community to lose trust with each other when that when

3407
02:53:07,360 --> 02:53:09,560
Speaker 1: the threat of white supremacy is at the door like that,

3408
02:53:09,680 --> 02:53:14,640
Speaker 1: like because everybody was suspect. It reminds me of you know,

3409
02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:17,920
Speaker 1: I think at this point, probably my favorite episode of Atlanta.

3410
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:20,560
Speaker 1: It's a bit off the beaten path, but with the

3411
02:53:20,879 --> 02:53:23,720
Speaker 1: sushi restaurant one and the dude was like, don't trust

3412
02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:27,039
Speaker 1: the niggas from Chicago. They're always trying to hit a lick.

3413
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:31,200
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this is that? That was Bars.

3414
02:53:32,040 --> 02:53:35,360
Speaker 1: I honestly started to wonder. I felt like he just

3415
02:53:35,400 --> 02:53:37,840
Speaker 1: needed to believe again, Like that's kind of what happened

3416
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:39,480
Speaker 1: to him.

3417
02:53:39,879 --> 02:53:42,039
Speaker 3: Sammy made him believe in.

3418
02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:48,400
Speaker 1: Something again and became like his you know satchel to

3419
02:53:49,360 --> 02:53:52,920
Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson, like where sam Sammy does go hit the

3420
02:53:52,920 --> 02:53:56,800
Speaker 1: major leagues, but he wouldn't be Sammy without this negro

3421
02:53:56,879 --> 02:54:00,240
Speaker 1: league picture. When they show uh, Buddy, I think his

3422
02:54:00,480 --> 02:54:05,680
Speaker 1: is Buddy guy the the Late when that's the news.

3423
02:54:05,800 --> 02:54:09,360
Speaker 1: That's Sammy in today. When they show that, I said, damn,

3424
02:54:09,360 --> 02:54:13,360
Speaker 1: he remind me of dar Rolando, Like they're like that,

3425
02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:16,959
Speaker 1: like that man imprinted something on him and the last

3426
02:54:16,959 --> 02:54:20,800
Speaker 1: thing about him, I wonder. It felt like if he

3427
02:54:21,000 --> 02:54:25,960
Speaker 1: never had as much trauma and had not turned to alcohol,

3428
02:54:26,200 --> 02:54:28,920
Speaker 1: I felt like he had the gift to I do too.

3429
02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:34,520
Speaker 5: Yes, without a doubt. The way the scene that made

3430
02:54:34,560 --> 02:54:36,240
Speaker 5: me like when I was just watching the movie, Oh

3431
02:54:36,320 --> 02:54:39,160
Speaker 5: this is nice colors, great acting. The scene that made

3432
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:41,920
Speaker 5: me sit up was that scene in the car when

3433
02:54:41,959 --> 02:54:45,199
Speaker 5: he goes from like humming sadly to like humming a song. Yes,

3434
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:49,200
Speaker 5: That's when I was like, okay, hold on, let me

3435
02:54:49,200 --> 02:54:51,280
Speaker 5: sit up. Something happening here.

3436
02:54:51,360 --> 02:54:54,760
Speaker 1: It felt like he recognized that in Sammy, I felt

3437
02:54:54,760 --> 02:55:00,240
Speaker 1: like the reason he even went with them essentially he recognized.

3438
02:54:59,680 --> 02:55:02,720
Speaker 6: That I gotta see this, Yes, like he knew, he

3439
02:55:02,800 --> 02:55:03,520
Speaker 6: knew beyond.

3440
02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:08,480
Speaker 5: He's like the like the old drunk or or drug

3441
02:55:08,480 --> 02:55:11,360
Speaker 5: addict who always make sure the smart kid gets the school. Yes,

3442
02:55:11,560 --> 02:55:15,039
Speaker 5: like to always make sure that that because he he

3443
02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:17,760
Speaker 5: could have been something somebody looked out for him. So

3444
02:55:18,080 --> 02:55:19,920
Speaker 5: looking out for for that person.

3445
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:22,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in the way he might be afraid of

3446
02:55:22,520 --> 02:55:26,000
Speaker 4: his talent, like he might be afraid of his power.

3447
02:55:26,120 --> 02:55:27,520
Speaker 4: Is so he doesn't it.

3448
02:55:27,480 --> 02:55:30,600
Speaker 3: Because that story, that's that story, is that right? Like

3449
02:55:30,680 --> 02:55:33,480
Speaker 3: what he's like, we played for the for the police

3450
02:55:33,560 --> 02:55:33,879
Speaker 3: or whatever.

3451
02:55:33,959 --> 02:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Fuck and then they essentially did this stuff to us

3452
02:55:36,959 --> 02:55:39,080
Speaker 1: because they saw that fire and they and they.

3453
02:55:39,560 --> 02:55:41,800
Speaker 2: The whiteness is a vampire of its own too.

3454
02:55:41,879 --> 02:55:44,120
Speaker 1: It's not all just remick that you know, like this

3455
02:55:44,240 --> 02:55:47,080
Speaker 1: allegory extends beyond, which is why the choice to become

3456
02:55:47,120 --> 02:55:50,480
Speaker 1: a vampire felt so alluring when REMI made that pitch

3457
02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:53,200
Speaker 1: is because it's like it's sucking the same ship, except

3458
02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:57,160
Speaker 1: now I can live forever. Last two characters. I don't

3459
02:55:57,160 --> 02:55:58,960
Speaker 1: have much to say about Parley other than she was

3460
02:55:59,040 --> 02:55:59,640
Speaker 1: just find the ship.

3461
02:55:59,720 --> 02:56:00,720
Speaker 2: But I don't know if y'all.

3462
02:56:01,120 --> 02:56:04,640
Speaker 1: And also, like I do, wonder where what's her husband

3463
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:05,560
Speaker 1: up to the next day?

3464
02:56:05,600 --> 02:56:09,039
Speaker 3: What is her husband? Doesn't even realize she missing.

3465
02:56:10,680 --> 02:56:13,400
Speaker 4: That she it's nineteen.

3466
02:56:13,080 --> 02:56:14,560
Speaker 3: Twenty, what is she even doing?

3467
02:56:14,720 --> 02:56:17,280
Speaker 8: Leaving the house was like a night she was like,

3468
02:56:17,440 --> 02:56:21,720
Speaker 8: he married, I ain't right cha walking like.

3469
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:24,400
Speaker 4: She lived in walking discys.

3470
02:56:24,680 --> 02:56:26,080
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what listen.

3471
02:56:26,240 --> 02:56:29,879
Speaker 1: Must have been a Friday night church service, because that

3472
02:56:30,040 --> 02:56:32,600
Speaker 1: you joint that juke jeling like it ain't open up

3473
02:56:32,680 --> 02:56:36,240
Speaker 1: till ten. Okay, right that she left the house at

3474
02:56:36,320 --> 02:56:40,039
Speaker 1: nine fifteen walking in that dress, and he was like,

3475
02:56:40,200 --> 02:56:41,680
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know.

3476
02:56:41,959 --> 02:56:42,800
Speaker 3: I need to be young.

3477
02:56:43,000 --> 02:56:45,720
Speaker 5: And the memory of her was so good. But eighty

3478
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:47,240
Speaker 5: years later he is a club.

3479
02:56:47,959 --> 02:56:49,880
Speaker 3: Listen that man.

3480
02:56:51,160 --> 02:56:53,920
Speaker 1: That man said, listen, okay, I know what I like

3481
02:56:54,520 --> 02:56:56,879
Speaker 1: if anyone has it? Oh, and I do, of course

3482
02:56:57,040 --> 02:56:59,760
Speaker 1: her and Annie once again, I like that they have

3483
02:56:59,879 --> 02:57:02,000
Speaker 1: some dark skinned love interest. I think movies like this

3484
02:57:02,120 --> 02:57:05,360
Speaker 1: tend to a lot of times the men who make.

3485
02:57:05,280 --> 02:57:07,680
Speaker 2: Them tend to get more obsessed about Mary's character.

3486
02:57:07,959 --> 02:57:10,279
Speaker 1: And I like that Mary felt like an afterthought because

3487
02:57:10,280 --> 02:57:12,600
Speaker 1: she essentially kind of isn't after thought when it comes

3488
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:15,880
Speaker 1: all Overments and Pearline and Sammy is the ones that

3489
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:18,640
Speaker 1: they like, Hey, this is what it is right here.

3490
02:57:19,000 --> 02:57:20,760
Speaker 1: As soon as she got off that train and cocked

3491
02:57:20,760 --> 02:57:23,240
Speaker 1: her head as Sam y'all was like, oh my god,

3492
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:26,600
Speaker 1: I was like, she looked at him like, little boy, listen,

3493
02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:28,199
Speaker 1: really know what you're about to get into.

3494
02:57:28,320 --> 02:57:29,440
Speaker 2: She turned to walk away.

3495
02:57:29,560 --> 02:57:34,080
Speaker 1: I said, how you have ask an address in nineteen tweets?

3496
02:57:35,040 --> 02:57:38,440
Speaker 1: And then when she was on the stage singing and stomping,

3497
02:57:38,520 --> 02:57:41,840
Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn lady, listen, Okay, I get it, Sammy.

3498
02:57:41,879 --> 02:57:44,920
Speaker 2: I would have anyway saying I.

3499
02:57:44,879 --> 02:57:51,520
Speaker 4: Appreciate I appreciate that that coopler included the idea of

3500
02:57:51,560 --> 02:57:54,880
Speaker 4: her asking to clean up first, like just like yeah,

3501
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:56,279
Speaker 4: like that's such a real.

3502
02:57:56,360 --> 02:57:57,240
Speaker 3: That's what made it.

3503
02:57:57,879 --> 02:58:01,480
Speaker 1: That's what made it more hot that he was like,

3504
02:58:01,800 --> 02:58:03,760
Speaker 1: you're so It's like when niggas say you're so fine.

3505
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:04,879
Speaker 2: I drink your black water.

3506
02:58:05,360 --> 02:58:09,119
Speaker 3: He did that. He was like, I don't care.

3507
02:58:09,240 --> 02:58:12,280
Speaker 1: That we're in nineteen twenty. I don't give a fuck

3508
02:58:12,400 --> 02:58:12,879
Speaker 1: right now.

3509
02:58:13,280 --> 02:58:14,120
Speaker 3: You that fine?

3510
02:58:14,920 --> 02:58:17,800
Speaker 2: And what what's sexier than that?

3511
02:58:17,920 --> 02:58:18,400
Speaker 3: A nigga?

3512
02:58:18,600 --> 02:58:20,959
Speaker 1: Truly like, I don't care if they walk in on

3513
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:23,000
Speaker 1: me doing this. I hope they all see you fuck it.

3514
02:58:23,480 --> 02:58:24,920
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened.

3515
02:58:25,800 --> 02:58:27,600
Speaker 5: Did one of the twins tell him about that?

3516
02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:33,640
Speaker 1: Yes, earlier he took that it was Stack. He went

3517
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:38,199
Speaker 1: with Stack, so, yeah, that's right, Sammy. Sammy was taking notes.

3518
02:58:38,240 --> 02:58:39,800
Speaker 1: He put that guitar down, like, hold on, let me

3519
02:58:39,800 --> 02:58:43,440
Speaker 1: see this paper real quick. I'm saying it's like a

3520
02:58:43,440 --> 02:58:51,400
Speaker 1: little man in a boat. Okay, right, put that in

3521
02:58:51,440 --> 02:58:55,560
Speaker 1: the song name Club Act Sammy. That's the last character.

3522
02:58:56,680 --> 02:58:59,600
Speaker 1: Thoughts on Sammy generally, I can't believe this is this

3523
02:58:59,640 --> 02:59:03,440
Speaker 1: guy's first acting job.

3524
02:59:02,160 --> 02:59:05,039
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's the first movie.

3525
02:59:05,080 --> 02:59:08,840
Speaker 1: First he was like America's Got Talent star or something,

3526
02:59:09,080 --> 02:59:11,000
Speaker 1: not that show exactly, but that's why he.

3527
02:59:11,000 --> 02:59:13,400
Speaker 5: Was a gospel family and he sang backup for her.

3528
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and once again, like I said, I don't

3529
02:59:17,320 --> 02:59:20,280
Speaker 1: think Ryan Cooler was explicitly trying to make like Christian

3530
02:59:20,280 --> 02:59:23,600
Speaker 1: people feel bad because a lot of people working around

3531
02:59:23,600 --> 02:59:26,480
Speaker 1: this movie are Christian people that I feel like would

3532
02:59:26,480 --> 02:59:29,600
Speaker 1: peel personally fucking insulted if he was just like, yeah,

3533
02:59:29,640 --> 02:59:31,360
Speaker 1: so the point is to say, this shit ain't real.

3534
02:59:31,480 --> 02:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Vampires are real, who is real? Your shit is bullshit?

3535
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:39,080
Speaker 1: So but it was like spirituality of some type takes

3536
02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:42,800
Speaker 1: a form. I think that is how it felt. But Sammy, Karen,

3537
02:59:43,640 --> 02:59:45,160
Speaker 1: what did you think about this character?

3538
02:59:45,360 --> 02:59:51,040
Speaker 6: I love that we see the movie from Sammy's perspective.

3539
02:59:52,680 --> 02:59:56,279
Speaker 6: I think it was probably the most perfect perspective versus

3540
02:59:56,400 --> 02:59:58,760
Speaker 6: you know, seeing it from twins and seeing it from

3541
02:59:58,760 --> 03:00:02,240
Speaker 6: his dad or anybody else, because he was literally one

3542
03:00:02,320 --> 03:00:04,040
Speaker 6: of the youngest characters in the crew.

3543
03:00:06,200 --> 03:00:07,920
Speaker 3: And also I.

3544
03:00:07,879 --> 03:00:10,520
Speaker 6: Remember when he was in the car and he started

3545
03:00:10,560 --> 03:00:16,360
Speaker 6: singing and the twins said whoo, and it was like

3546
03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:19,760
Speaker 6: our faces were the same, because it's like I didn't

3547
03:00:19,800 --> 03:00:22,480
Speaker 6: expect that bass to come out that body.

3548
03:00:22,480 --> 03:00:24,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes sense, Like go b

3549
03:00:24,360 --> 03:00:25,279
Speaker 3: Jordan held.

3550
03:00:25,120 --> 03:00:27,200
Speaker 1: It down for all of us, and sitting in the

3551
03:00:27,200 --> 03:00:30,720
Speaker 1: theater that all had the same reaction to Sammy started singing.

3552
03:00:31,080 --> 03:00:34,560
Speaker 1: And what's even crazier is like it's twenty twenty five,

3553
03:00:35,600 --> 03:00:37,280
Speaker 1: that just means he has to be good at singing,

3554
03:00:37,280 --> 03:00:39,760
Speaker 1: because all of us have heard that type. At this point,

3555
03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:42,600
Speaker 1: we turned that off, like if that came on up radio,

3556
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:44,560
Speaker 1: we'd be like, power ninety eight must be broke.

3557
03:00:44,600 --> 03:00:45,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

3558
03:00:46,480 --> 03:00:49,720
Speaker 1: We were all in the theater seated leaning forward, like

3559
03:00:49,959 --> 03:00:54,000
Speaker 1: please don't ever stop singing, Sammy right. And so for

3560
03:00:54,040 --> 03:00:57,200
Speaker 1: me just to hit it, father was like, goddamn, I

3561
03:00:57,240 --> 03:00:59,920
Speaker 1: was like that voice it was. I was like, it's

3562
03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:02,640
Speaker 1: something special about this boy was And for me the

3563
03:01:03,640 --> 03:01:06,880
Speaker 1: thing where he was singing and everything kind of changed

3564
03:01:06,920 --> 03:01:10,720
Speaker 1: and it burnt down. I loved the way it was shot,

3565
03:01:11,360 --> 03:01:13,840
Speaker 1: and I loved Remick on the outside looking in.

3566
03:01:14,200 --> 03:01:19,720
Speaker 3: Yes, I loved the fact that even through.

3567
03:01:21,120 --> 03:01:24,200
Speaker 6: You had the current and you had the kind of

3568
03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:27,240
Speaker 6: the spirits and the ancestors dancing around them, it literally

3569
03:01:27,320 --> 03:01:28,000
Speaker 6: looked like one.

3570
03:01:28,879 --> 03:01:30,920
Speaker 3: It was like no separation between the two.

3571
03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:33,640
Speaker 6: Everybody's kind of moving around each other, in and out

3572
03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:36,080
Speaker 6: of each other and things like that. And it was

3573
03:01:36,200 --> 03:01:38,720
Speaker 6: gorgeous and it was beautiful, and it was one of

3574
03:01:38,760 --> 03:01:42,240
Speaker 6: those things. And for me, it emphasized the power and

3575
03:01:42,280 --> 03:01:45,959
Speaker 6: the authority behind his voice. Yes, and it made me

3576
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:49,680
Speaker 6: understand why Remick was like, Oh, I got to have

3577
03:01:49,959 --> 03:01:50,440
Speaker 6: that shit.

3578
03:01:50,680 --> 03:01:52,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made that grial shit that they said at

3579
03:01:52,920 --> 03:01:55,280
Speaker 1: the very beginning, which I kind of I didn't dismiss it,

3580
03:01:55,280 --> 03:01:58,080
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, it's a metal It's like

3581
03:01:58,160 --> 03:01:59,959
Speaker 1: Jordan Peel when he puts like some shit at the beginning.

3582
03:02:00,440 --> 03:02:02,199
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's some type of metaphor.

3583
03:02:02,440 --> 03:02:06,720
Speaker 1: No, nigga, they literally illustrated this is gift, like you

3584
03:02:06,760 --> 03:02:08,480
Speaker 1: know what earlier when you thought it was gonna be

3585
03:02:08,480 --> 03:02:11,680
Speaker 1: an allegory for something, No, it's not an allegory. This

3586
03:02:11,760 --> 03:02:14,040
Speaker 1: shit make you feel like the future of the past

3587
03:02:14,080 --> 03:02:16,560
Speaker 1: and everything together and the music blending with the rap

3588
03:02:16,600 --> 03:02:20,400
Speaker 1: and all that shit, the afrofuturism, like the god take

3589
03:02:20,440 --> 03:02:21,640
Speaker 1: a fucking bow. I know.

3590
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:25,080
Speaker 2: You guys came up with two scenes. First, you and

3591
03:02:25,160 --> 03:02:26,560
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordanson and around.

3592
03:02:27,080 --> 03:02:29,440
Speaker 1: There were two scenes that you said, we don't know

3593
03:02:29,440 --> 03:02:30,600
Speaker 1: what the rest of the movie is, but we have

3594
03:02:30,680 --> 03:02:33,080
Speaker 1: to make a movie. That's definitely one of them, and

3595
03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:34,360
Speaker 1: the other one is shooting up the plan.

3596
03:02:34,959 --> 03:02:35,640
Speaker 3: Those are the.

3597
03:02:35,560 --> 03:02:36,240
Speaker 2: Two scenes them.

3598
03:02:36,280 --> 03:02:39,160
Speaker 1: Niggas was like, if we can get Hollywood to let

3599
03:02:39,240 --> 03:02:41,680
Speaker 1: us make this shit, and they cooked and they made it.

3600
03:02:42,120 --> 03:02:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Karen, did you have any more before I

3601
03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:46,520
Speaker 3: go to next person? Oh? And that was basically it.

3602
03:02:46,640 --> 03:02:50,119
Speaker 6: But it was just gorgeous and it made me. Really

3603
03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:54,400
Speaker 6: it made Sammy's choice at the end with his daddy

3604
03:02:54,440 --> 03:02:57,480
Speaker 6: more understandable, like after he went through everything and he

3605
03:02:57,520 --> 03:03:01,160
Speaker 6: didn't drop the guitar. Yes, it made it more understandable,

3606
03:03:01,560 --> 03:03:04,000
Speaker 6: you know, because you know when the Twins threatened him

3607
03:03:04,040 --> 03:03:05,959
Speaker 6: and he was like, you're not here to stop me,

3608
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:08,560
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna go do what I want to do

3609
03:03:08,760 --> 03:03:10,640
Speaker 6: type of type type of thing, like like.

3610
03:03:10,879 --> 03:03:14,160
Speaker 1: He was as much committed to playing his art and

3611
03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:20,000
Speaker 1: as anyone was committed to anything, Yes, as Smoke was

3612
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:24,480
Speaker 1: committed to any as like as Remick was committed to

3613
03:03:24,520 --> 03:03:27,959
Speaker 1: turning everybody Like that motherfucker's commitment to that music.

3614
03:03:29,560 --> 03:03:30,560
Speaker 2: That ship was powerful.

3615
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:32,560
Speaker 3: It was something else.

3616
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:35,600
Speaker 6: And I enjoyed that character like and I, like I said,

3617
03:03:35,640 --> 03:03:39,880
Speaker 6: I enjoyed everything was centered around that character. And I

3618
03:03:39,879 --> 03:03:42,200
Speaker 6: think with his age and him being so young, it

3619
03:03:42,520 --> 03:03:43,000
Speaker 6: was it.

3620
03:03:42,879 --> 03:03:43,760
Speaker 3: Was just perfect.

3621
03:03:44,080 --> 03:03:45,000
Speaker 2: What about you, Bossy?

3622
03:03:47,160 --> 03:03:51,640
Speaker 5: I I can't say enough about Sammy. I thought that

3623
03:03:52,640 --> 03:03:56,440
Speaker 5: first of all, Miles Canton is that his name just

3624
03:03:57,720 --> 03:04:02,040
Speaker 5: was was possessed like he he there was something I've

3625
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:05,480
Speaker 5: been using the word like anointed and prophecy and profit

3626
03:04:05,560 --> 03:04:07,879
Speaker 5: and all that stuff a lot. I'm not gonna tell why,

3627
03:04:08,920 --> 03:04:12,760
Speaker 5: but I feel like he has the same one. I

3628
03:04:12,800 --> 03:04:15,520
Speaker 5: didn't say it, Uh, he has that same like you

3629
03:04:15,560 --> 03:04:19,800
Speaker 5: were born for this moment. Yeah, you don't have to

3630
03:04:19,840 --> 03:04:22,760
Speaker 5: do anything else. And I low key wish you don't

3631
03:04:22,760 --> 03:04:25,080
Speaker 5: do anything else, because the way that that Hollywood is,

3632
03:04:25,400 --> 03:04:28,320
Speaker 5: they'll have you, they'll have you doing some shit that

3633
03:04:28,320 --> 03:04:32,480
Speaker 5: that that is beneath your talents, right, But this was,

3634
03:04:32,600 --> 03:04:35,720
Speaker 5: this was so perfect And something that I haven't been

3635
03:04:35,720 --> 03:04:37,879
Speaker 5: able to talk about is it's hard because I hadn't

3636
03:04:37,879 --> 03:04:39,240
Speaker 5: figured it out, and I just want to throw it

3637
03:04:39,280 --> 03:04:43,440
Speaker 5: here at the end of the movie when when you

3638
03:04:43,440 --> 03:04:47,800
Speaker 5: see the scars on his face, immediately I thought about

3639
03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:55,520
Speaker 5: like African scarification and every just about every group on

3640
03:04:55,560 --> 03:04:59,840
Speaker 5: the continent has some version of scarification. In Wakanda Forever

3641
03:05:00,600 --> 03:05:03,360
Speaker 5: kill Manger had it to like mark his kills, right,

3642
03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:06,240
Speaker 5: and but a lot of times, and I can't speak

3643
03:05:06,280 --> 03:05:09,920
Speaker 5: for other people, but those scars are very YOURBA. I'm

3644
03:05:09,959 --> 03:05:12,360
Speaker 5: not your ba, but that's they look very much like

3645
03:05:12,400 --> 03:05:15,879
Speaker 5: you're about scars. My people do it too, But I

3646
03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:20,119
Speaker 5: have these scars I have on my wrists, both my wrists,

3647
03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:21,640
Speaker 5: on the top of both of my feet, like they're

3648
03:05:21,640 --> 03:05:24,920
Speaker 5: four like lines. And as I've gotten older, they've got

3649
03:05:24,920 --> 03:05:27,240
Speaker 5: there faded a little bit more, but they're like these

3650
03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:31,440
Speaker 5: very deliberate four lines on my wrists in the bottom

3651
03:05:31,440 --> 03:05:34,680
Speaker 5: of my feet and for the longest time, like I've

3652
03:05:34,680 --> 03:05:36,920
Speaker 5: always had them, and whenever I asked, they're like, oh,

3653
03:05:37,080 --> 03:05:39,520
Speaker 5: we don't know. Like you fell, I felt with four

3654
03:05:39,680 --> 03:05:44,640
Speaker 5: perfect marks on my wrists and both my you know

3655
03:05:44,680 --> 03:05:47,039
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like, all right, cool whatever. It wasn't

3656
03:05:47,120 --> 03:05:49,800
Speaker 5: until I went to Nigeria and I asked one of

3657
03:05:49,800 --> 03:05:52,880
Speaker 5: my aunties who's been around since I was little. She's like, oh, uh,

3658
03:05:53,280 --> 03:05:56,400
Speaker 5: you had malaria and we and somebody did that in

3659
03:05:56,480 --> 03:05:59,440
Speaker 5: order to let the sickness out. Here's the thing, I

3660
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:04,080
Speaker 5: literally biologically, genetically can't get malaria. I have dallas semia trade.

3661
03:06:04,120 --> 03:06:06,400
Speaker 5: I can't get valaria. I've never had malaria. What are

3662
03:06:06,440 --> 03:06:11,039
Speaker 5: you talking about? What are you saying? So what I

3663
03:06:11,120 --> 03:06:13,120
Speaker 5: kind of figured out and like put together is like

3664
03:06:13,280 --> 03:06:15,760
Speaker 5: they did it right before I left for America, and

3665
03:06:15,959 --> 03:06:18,680
Speaker 5: a lot of these marks are this is where you belong.

3666
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:20,800
Speaker 5: These are your people I can tell by the way

3667
03:06:20,959 --> 03:06:23,400
Speaker 5: the length of them, I can tell by the depth

3668
03:06:23,440 --> 03:06:25,640
Speaker 5: of them. I can tell about the structure. This is

3669
03:06:25,640 --> 03:06:28,760
Speaker 5: your clan, These are your people. If anything ever happens

3670
03:06:28,760 --> 03:06:30,640
Speaker 5: to you, this is where they take you back to.

3671
03:06:31,160 --> 03:06:33,800
Speaker 5: And the way that people always say, oh, the Africans

3672
03:06:33,800 --> 03:06:36,480
Speaker 5: had slaves, yes, but they also had when you're free

3673
03:06:36,520 --> 03:06:40,119
Speaker 5: to go, you know exactly the roadmap of your existence

3674
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:43,240
Speaker 5: is on your face. That's how you get back to

3675
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:47,440
Speaker 5: your home. They haven't done that. It's very rare to

3676
03:06:47,480 --> 03:06:50,400
Speaker 5: see somebody my age or younger with the scars on

3677
03:06:50,440 --> 03:06:56,680
Speaker 5: their face because colonization, religion, Christianity, everything. That's the reason

3678
03:06:56,720 --> 03:06:59,680
Speaker 5: why nobody will tell me what these actually are, because

3679
03:07:00,200 --> 03:07:05,440
Speaker 5: they've been told and convinced that everything African traditional culture

3680
03:07:05,959 --> 03:07:10,840
Speaker 5: or religion is witchcraft, is demonic. So either you find

3681
03:07:10,879 --> 03:07:12,960
Speaker 5: a way to practice what you practice but call it

3682
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:15,360
Speaker 5: something else, or you stop doing it. Those are the

3683
03:07:15,360 --> 03:07:20,200
Speaker 5: only choices that black people have, slavery, colonization. So when

3684
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:22,600
Speaker 5: I saw the scars on his face and they mimic that,

3685
03:07:22,640 --> 03:07:25,440
Speaker 5: to me, it's like that's where he belongs, he knows

3686
03:07:25,440 --> 03:07:27,760
Speaker 5: where home is, He's moved And this is me being

3687
03:07:27,760 --> 03:07:29,879
Speaker 5: really corny and it's a reach, is a stretch whatever,

3688
03:07:30,160 --> 03:07:32,240
Speaker 5: because it's only on one side of his face and

3689
03:07:32,320 --> 03:07:34,959
Speaker 5: so perfectly lying to me. It was like African American, like,

3690
03:07:35,080 --> 03:07:37,400
Speaker 5: you belong to both of these places. You belong in

3691
03:07:37,440 --> 03:07:40,920
Speaker 5: the past and the future and the presence. You belong somewhere.

3692
03:07:40,959 --> 03:07:45,400
Speaker 5: You are someone who has a home in anywhere that

3693
03:07:45,440 --> 03:07:47,280
Speaker 5: you go, you can make a home, but this is

3694
03:07:47,280 --> 03:07:52,600
Speaker 5: where you're from. So anyway, I loved Sammy more than

3695
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:56,279
Speaker 5: I can even express I love the growth that he showed.

3696
03:07:56,640 --> 03:07:59,480
Speaker 5: I love the fact that he chose himself. I love

3697
03:07:59,480 --> 03:08:03,119
Speaker 5: the fact that he prayed before he killed Remick because

3698
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:06,040
Speaker 5: it means that he wasn't turning away from God. He

3699
03:08:06,360 --> 03:08:09,200
Speaker 5: likes like like Smoke, were creating their own God and

3700
03:08:09,240 --> 03:08:12,240
Speaker 5: their own religion. How can something that is that is

3701
03:08:12,280 --> 03:08:15,160
Speaker 5: so powerful that they want to kill me for it

3702
03:08:15,520 --> 03:08:16,480
Speaker 5: be against God?

3703
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:16,840
Speaker 4: Like?

3704
03:08:16,879 --> 03:08:19,000
Speaker 5: How can how can that not be God? How can

3705
03:08:19,080 --> 03:08:22,200
Speaker 5: that not be a blessing? How can I not know

3706
03:08:22,320 --> 03:08:24,440
Speaker 5: that this thing literally saved my life and now I'm

3707
03:08:24,440 --> 03:08:25,920
Speaker 5: going to abandon it for what?

3708
03:08:26,840 --> 03:08:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

3709
03:08:27,040 --> 03:08:30,000
Speaker 1: Because I love that he wasn't like running to money

3710
03:08:30,040 --> 03:08:32,800
Speaker 1: and fame and fortune. That's not us like it was

3711
03:08:32,879 --> 03:08:35,000
Speaker 1: like I just need to live in my gift, like

3712
03:08:35,040 --> 03:08:37,320
Speaker 1: this is a this is a thing I've been given

3713
03:08:37,840 --> 03:08:39,920
Speaker 1: and I don't want to spend it boxed up inside

3714
03:08:39,920 --> 03:08:43,440
Speaker 1: this church, which is an adult was adult motivation, Mike,

3715
03:08:43,480 --> 03:08:44,080
Speaker 1: it's your turn.

3716
03:08:44,360 --> 03:08:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, of course I stand on and agree with

3717
03:08:47,560 --> 03:08:50,320
Speaker 4: everything everybody said. The only thing I'd add is that

3718
03:08:51,440 --> 03:08:54,520
Speaker 4: a lot of times in movies like this, especially like

3719
03:08:54,520 --> 03:08:59,080
Speaker 4: big blockbuster movies where he's like the central character, the

3720
03:08:59,240 --> 03:09:04,440
Speaker 4: character won't know or acknowledge how powerful they are. And

3721
03:09:04,480 --> 03:09:07,120
Speaker 4: maybe he didn't understand his power, but he knew his

3722
03:09:07,280 --> 03:09:11,320
Speaker 4: talent right, and he was so confident about it, and

3723
03:09:11,360 --> 03:09:14,280
Speaker 4: you just don't see that with with main characters, you know,

3724
03:09:14,320 --> 03:09:16,520
Speaker 4: if you think about the average knew that, oh what,

3725
03:09:17,440 --> 03:09:19,680
Speaker 4: I could throw a baseball really fast? Oh my god,

3726
03:09:19,680 --> 03:09:22,959
Speaker 4: I didn't know, you know, And he's like he leaned

3727
03:09:22,959 --> 03:09:25,840
Speaker 4: into it. He knew it. Everybody else knew it. And

3728
03:09:25,879 --> 03:09:29,840
Speaker 4: it wasn't like, you know, there was there was no

3729
03:09:30,040 --> 03:09:33,760
Speaker 4: pride about it. There was no like bad pride about it.

3730
03:09:33,760 --> 03:09:34,240
Speaker 5: It was an.

3731
03:09:35,680 --> 03:09:38,360
Speaker 4: Arrogance, right right, That's that's the actual word.

3732
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:41,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, though I was picking up what you was

3733
03:09:41,600 --> 03:09:42,160
Speaker 2: putting down.

3734
03:09:42,400 --> 03:09:45,720
Speaker 4: Bad pride, bad pride, but no, I just loved that

3735
03:09:45,800 --> 03:09:48,720
Speaker 4: about his character. And of course everybody's talked about his voice.

3736
03:09:48,800 --> 03:09:50,960
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was real, Like, I didn't think that.

3737
03:09:51,360 --> 03:09:54,240
Speaker 4: I just thought it was Yeah, I thought it was

3738
03:09:54,280 --> 03:09:56,600
Speaker 4: somebody else, or it was you know, they're playing someone

3739
03:09:56,600 --> 03:09:59,880
Speaker 4: else's music. But just a phenomenal character. I loved that

3740
03:10:00,080 --> 03:10:02,760
Speaker 4: he was a young man, you know, and the black

3741
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:05,240
Speaker 4: boys for the most part in this in this role,

3742
03:10:06,440 --> 03:10:11,240
Speaker 4: and and showed courage throughout, just very intentional all the

3743
03:10:11,360 --> 03:10:13,480
Speaker 4: of course it's cooler, but all the things that he

3744
03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:15,879
Speaker 4: put into his character, it was phenomenal. Yeah.

3745
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:18,280
Speaker 1: I think the only things I would add is I

3746
03:10:18,320 --> 03:10:21,039
Speaker 1: love the big cousin the element of it, like making

3747
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:25,320
Speaker 1: him the emotional center and making him his agency was

3748
03:10:25,360 --> 03:10:27,520
Speaker 1: only in the art. It wasn't in anything else in

3749
03:10:27,560 --> 03:10:29,880
Speaker 1: the film. Like he didn't he wasn't a gangster, he

3750
03:10:29,959 --> 03:10:32,680
Speaker 1: wasn't violent, he wasn't even fighting off vampires.

3751
03:10:32,720 --> 03:10:33,240
Speaker 4: Really he was.

3752
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:36,440
Speaker 2: I mean, if anything, motherfucker was finne get. He was

3753
03:10:36,480 --> 03:10:38,520
Speaker 2: finna catch hey, he was finna die.

3754
03:10:38,680 --> 03:10:41,840
Speaker 1: Like like hey, Ryan, cooler boy, did he cut that

3755
03:10:41,879 --> 03:10:42,400
Speaker 1: shit close?

3756
03:10:42,440 --> 03:10:45,000
Speaker 3: Because I really was like, is it nah? You would

3757
03:10:45,080 --> 03:10:46,640
Speaker 3: not let this motherfucker die?

3758
03:10:46,800 --> 03:10:49,959
Speaker 1: Ryan well not after everything we done been through for Sammy,

3759
03:10:50,040 --> 03:10:53,560
Speaker 1: but your brother, the sun's coming up, it's getting close.

3760
03:10:54,600 --> 03:10:56,680
Speaker 3: And then the last thing is for the music.

3761
03:10:57,240 --> 03:10:59,200
Speaker 1: I just think on such a bold choice to not

3762
03:10:59,320 --> 03:11:03,039
Speaker 1: go with like nostalgic hit music or whatever, like it

3763
03:11:03,160 --> 03:11:05,400
Speaker 1: wasn't because I think that's such an easy thing to

3764
03:11:05,440 --> 03:11:09,039
Speaker 1: rely on. Is like, you know, you just give everybody

3765
03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:11,120
Speaker 1: a song we already love and know, but it's the

3766
03:11:11,200 --> 03:11:14,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson version or whatever. So we're like, I love this,

3767
03:11:14,480 --> 03:11:17,160
Speaker 1: this character is the best. I'm like, we just are

3768
03:11:17,240 --> 03:11:19,120
Speaker 1: completely respecting his ability to sing.

3769
03:11:19,320 --> 03:11:19,840
Speaker 3: That's it.

3770
03:11:20,760 --> 03:11:23,240
Speaker 1: We're not a country of a lot of people that

3771
03:11:23,280 --> 03:11:27,160
Speaker 1: are into nineteen twenties blues nineteen like, we're just not.

3772
03:11:27,400 --> 03:11:29,640
Speaker 1: It's you know, I feel how you feel about it.

3773
03:11:29,680 --> 03:11:32,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've been to a basketball arenas. They don't

3774
03:11:32,879 --> 03:11:35,200
Speaker 1: just throw on those songs, you.

3775
03:11:35,120 --> 03:11:35,640
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

3776
03:11:35,800 --> 03:11:39,200
Speaker 1: Not so like had So that was a choice in

3777
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:40,960
Speaker 1: this movie to be like in a movie where they

3778
03:11:40,959 --> 03:11:43,600
Speaker 1: could have made it time traveling, they could have been like, oh,

3779
03:11:43,640 --> 03:11:45,720
Speaker 1: well he plays this, it's really a metaphor for this.

3780
03:11:46,120 --> 03:11:49,480
Speaker 3: It was like, no, nigga, this is this shit hits.

3781
03:11:50,600 --> 03:11:53,000
Speaker 1: Like when he did the Blues version of like this,

3782
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:54,280
Speaker 1: this little light of mine or whatever.

3783
03:11:54,400 --> 03:11:58,760
Speaker 3: The end, it's like this. Nigga is good. He is

3784
03:11:59,000 --> 03:12:01,600
Speaker 3: good good. I feel like y'all just feeling this because

3785
03:12:01,600 --> 03:12:02,440
Speaker 3: he's so good.

3786
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:06,280
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and you know he learned to play the

3787
03:12:06,320 --> 03:12:07,200
Speaker 5: guitar for the role.

3788
03:12:07,440 --> 03:12:09,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what he.

3789
03:12:09,440 --> 03:12:11,720
Speaker 5: Didn't play the guitar before he learned to play for

3790
03:12:11,800 --> 03:12:12,320
Speaker 5: this role.

3791
03:12:12,680 --> 03:12:13,640
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

3792
03:12:13,680 --> 03:12:15,400
Speaker 5: All right, Well, look, you better win everything.

3793
03:12:16,400 --> 03:12:18,879
Speaker 1: I'll go around to ask final thoughts. We've been doing

3794
03:12:18,879 --> 03:12:21,480
Speaker 1: this over three hours. You guys got this too much

3795
03:12:21,560 --> 03:12:25,720
Speaker 1: out of this. Even though I promise not to caring

3796
03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:27,560
Speaker 1: any final thoughts, I.

3797
03:12:27,480 --> 03:12:29,400
Speaker 6: Don't really have any final of ours other than I

3798
03:12:29,440 --> 03:12:32,360
Speaker 6: loved the movie. I enjoyed it very much. If you

3799
03:12:32,520 --> 03:12:37,480
Speaker 6: have not seen it, they're re releasing it, re release

3800
03:12:37,560 --> 03:12:39,520
Speaker 6: it again around Halloween.

3801
03:12:39,520 --> 03:12:42,360
Speaker 1: In imax, meaning it's still in theaters now. Yes, it

3802
03:12:42,440 --> 03:12:44,400
Speaker 1: is not an imax. I want to see an imax.

3803
03:12:44,600 --> 03:12:47,000
Speaker 1: I believe it comes back like the twenty first or something.

3804
03:12:46,760 --> 03:12:49,120
Speaker 6: And it's worth it in imax. We see it in imax.

3805
03:12:49,160 --> 03:12:50,480
Speaker 6: It is gorgeous in imax.

3806
03:12:51,000 --> 03:12:52,039
Speaker 2: I see any final.

3807
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:56,600
Speaker 5: Thoughts on this, it's just it's it's it's such a

3808
03:12:56,640 --> 03:12:59,120
Speaker 5: beautiful movie and the fact that it works on so

3809
03:12:59,200 --> 03:13:03,760
Speaker 5: many levels. Again, it's just a movie like this shouldn't

3810
03:13:03,800 --> 03:13:08,080
Speaker 5: work the same way that a certain musical artists should

3811
03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:11,360
Speaker 5: not be as big and popular as he is. But

3812
03:13:11,440 --> 03:13:16,360
Speaker 5: because because it transcends so many like levels and layers,

3813
03:13:16,400 --> 03:13:19,720
Speaker 5: that everybody on every level and layer can probably get

3814
03:13:19,720 --> 03:13:22,920
Speaker 5: something out of it. And it sneaks it sneaks consciousness

3815
03:13:22,959 --> 03:13:26,040
Speaker 5: into the into the mainstream, which is something that I mean,

3816
03:13:26,080 --> 03:13:28,920
Speaker 5: we're all like basically around the same age. Who would

3817
03:13:28,920 --> 03:13:31,840
Speaker 5: have thought at our at our young you know, in

3818
03:13:31,959 --> 03:13:36,280
Speaker 5: our young ages that things like this could exist outside

3819
03:13:36,320 --> 03:13:38,360
Speaker 5: of the little conversations we have in our dorm rooms

3820
03:13:38,440 --> 03:13:40,760
Speaker 5: or in our apartments late at night like this is.

3821
03:13:40,800 --> 03:13:42,879
Speaker 5: This is huge and I think that that I hope

3822
03:13:42,879 --> 03:13:47,879
Speaker 5: that it ushers in, uh, the the reality that your

3823
03:13:47,920 --> 03:13:51,800
Speaker 5: responsibility as a black artist is to speak to black

3824
03:13:51,840 --> 03:13:54,160
Speaker 5: people and let they can listen if they want to.

3825
03:13:54,200 --> 03:13:58,240
Speaker 5: But you're talking to black people, You're making art because

3826
03:13:58,240 --> 03:14:01,360
Speaker 5: you love black people, you love black women, love black communities,

3827
03:14:01,400 --> 03:14:04,360
Speaker 5: you love you love, you love us and are so

3828
03:14:04,520 --> 03:14:06,720
Speaker 5: much that the only way you can show us is

3829
03:14:06,760 --> 03:14:10,240
Speaker 5: beautifully yes, and and and and nuanced and depth. So

3830
03:14:10,320 --> 03:14:11,760
Speaker 5: I just I just think it's.

3831
03:14:11,440 --> 03:14:14,840
Speaker 1: Important, and it's important that is Coogler, because Coogler's vision

3832
03:14:14,920 --> 03:14:16,400
Speaker 1: is like that. And I just feel like there's so

3833
03:14:16,440 --> 03:14:18,760
Speaker 1: many other directors who would have taken on a project

3834
03:14:18,800 --> 03:14:21,040
Speaker 1: like this that would have fumbled the bag so many

3835
03:14:21,080 --> 03:14:23,360
Speaker 1: different ways, and we would have just been talking about

3836
03:14:23,400 --> 03:14:28,640
Speaker 1: those fumbles instead of like this story and what it means, Mike.

3837
03:14:28,680 --> 03:14:29,680
Speaker 2: Any of final thoughts.

3838
03:14:30,959 --> 03:14:34,680
Speaker 4: Final thault is y'all. Y'all know there's a there's a

3839
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:38,840
Speaker 4: theory there in music theory, right, There's like chords that

3840
03:14:38,920 --> 03:14:45,200
Speaker 4: you can play on an instrument that if you're composing music,

3841
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:48,320
Speaker 4: if you hit certain chords, it can evoke certain emotions

3842
03:14:48,400 --> 03:14:51,000
Speaker 4: like it's it's studied and true and tried and all that.

3843
03:14:51,400 --> 03:14:53,879
Speaker 4: And I feel like, similar to what BOSSI was saying,

3844
03:14:54,400 --> 03:14:59,039
Speaker 4: like when it comes to black folks, like as artists

3845
03:14:59,080 --> 03:15:03,400
Speaker 4: and creator, I feel like we are all searching for

3846
03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:08,600
Speaker 4: that chord for black people in particular, and Coogler hit

3847
03:15:08,680 --> 03:15:11,480
Speaker 4: it like this movie is that chord that you play

3848
03:15:11,720 --> 03:15:15,440
Speaker 4: and it's like you don't. I always talk about this

3849
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:19,080
Speaker 4: Donnie uh Donnie Hathaway song. Here's a song called giving

3850
03:15:19,160 --> 03:15:24,840
Speaker 4: Up right and the first note he just hums hm hmmm,

3851
03:15:25,040 --> 03:15:27,800
Speaker 4: and I'll just break down like he don't even I

3852
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:29,000
Speaker 4: don't even know what the song is about, you know

3853
03:15:29,000 --> 03:15:30,800
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because like when you first hear it,

3854
03:15:30,840 --> 03:15:38,400
Speaker 4: because he's speaking to like the innermost uh your sensibilities,

3855
03:15:38,440 --> 03:15:41,640
Speaker 4: like the your, your gut. And that's what this movie

3856
03:15:41,840 --> 03:15:44,280
Speaker 4: was for me. And it's it's and I don't even

3857
03:15:44,400 --> 03:15:48,000
Speaker 4: like it. I'm not I don't like to be hyperbolic.

3858
03:15:48,120 --> 03:15:52,280
Speaker 4: I actually do, but I'm not be this one. It's

3859
03:15:52,320 --> 03:15:56,520
Speaker 4: just it's just such an amazing uh portrayal and collection

3860
03:15:56,760 --> 03:15:59,959
Speaker 4: of like pieces of art that speak to us as.

3861
03:16:01,440 --> 03:16:02,640
Speaker 5: It's just a perfect movie.

3862
03:16:03,160 --> 03:16:06,039
Speaker 1: And for me, I'll just say, man, like this to

3863
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:09,680
Speaker 1: me was everything about black African American black art, like

3864
03:16:09,959 --> 03:16:12,920
Speaker 1: all the combinations that it took to create it, all

3865
03:16:12,959 --> 03:16:15,440
Speaker 1: the pain that it takes, all the joy that it gives,

3866
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:19,440
Speaker 1: and all the ways that it allures other cultures and

3867
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:21,760
Speaker 1: the things they want to do to it, to commodify,

3868
03:16:21,920 --> 03:16:24,959
Speaker 1: control it, to hold it down, you know, because even

3869
03:16:24,959 --> 03:16:27,760
Speaker 1: the Klan coming to destroy the place is a symbol

3870
03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:31,240
Speaker 1: in its own of like like Remick wants to take

3871
03:16:31,280 --> 03:16:34,320
Speaker 1: it for himself, the Klan wants to destroy it. Period

3872
03:16:34,920 --> 03:16:37,720
Speaker 1: they're burning books in the schools, and.

3873
03:16:37,680 --> 03:16:39,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's.

3874
03:16:39,120 --> 03:16:41,440
Speaker 1: Good, especially in a time like this, to see a

3875
03:16:41,440 --> 03:16:47,360
Speaker 1: black creator that sees the moment man like that, he

3876
03:16:47,440 --> 03:16:50,000
Speaker 1: took a chance this there's another world, but it just

3877
03:16:50,000 --> 03:16:54,240
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. So I'm very thankful for Ryan Cooler

3878
03:16:54,840 --> 03:16:58,119
Speaker 1: and the team around him and just his worldview and

3879
03:16:58,160 --> 03:17:03,160
Speaker 1: the inclusion and the collaboration with the community. And by community,

3880
03:17:03,200 --> 03:17:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't just mean black people, I mean the community,

3881
03:17:06,360 --> 03:17:11,080
Speaker 1: like talent or on this film is crazy like it's

3882
03:17:11,800 --> 03:17:13,320
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was able to do this

3883
03:17:13,440 --> 03:17:16,320
Speaker 1: outside of the studio system as far as like not

3884
03:17:16,840 --> 03:17:20,680
Speaker 1: through Disney exactly getting his own rights to his movie

3885
03:17:20,680 --> 03:17:23,800
Speaker 1: in twenty five years, a movie about black ownership. When

3886
03:17:23,800 --> 03:17:27,440
Speaker 1: the fucking when, like the CEO or whatever the guy

3887
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:30,560
Speaker 1: is that runs HBO came out and used the words like, well,

3888
03:17:30,560 --> 03:17:33,680
Speaker 1: it's a movie about black ownership, so no, we don't

3889
03:17:33,680 --> 03:17:36,240
Speaker 1: have a problem with him owning it. I was like, oh,

3890
03:17:36,320 --> 03:17:38,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Cooglan walked in that room and put his dick

3891
03:17:38,480 --> 03:17:42,880
Speaker 1: on the table. He said somethings, Oh wow, yeah, oh yeah,

3892
03:17:43,000 --> 03:17:45,880
Speaker 1: doc like because everyone was saying how like it's going

3893
03:17:45,959 --> 03:17:49,199
Speaker 1: to destroy the studio system. And then whoever runs Max

3894
03:17:49,320 --> 03:17:52,960
Speaker 1: or whatever HBO is called Warner Brothers. That dude came

3895
03:17:52,959 --> 03:17:56,680
Speaker 1: out was like, actually, these deals are not that uncommon.

3896
03:17:56,720 --> 03:18:00,080
Speaker 1: They have happened with more. Secondly, the theme of the

3897
03:18:00,280 --> 03:18:02,680
Speaker 1: we felt it was appropriate because the movie is about

3898
03:18:02,720 --> 03:18:04,039
Speaker 1: owning black art.

3899
03:18:04,320 --> 03:18:08,200
Speaker 3: I was like, oh he told them like like he

3900
03:18:08,240 --> 03:18:09,039
Speaker 3: didn't like.

3901
03:18:09,240 --> 03:18:11,280
Speaker 5: Look like my face, like write this down.

3902
03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:12,400
Speaker 3: Yes, some of my.

3903
03:18:12,400 --> 03:18:14,920
Speaker 1: Favorite people, like I love I love Donald Glover. I

3904
03:18:14,959 --> 03:18:16,920
Speaker 1: get it, y'all, don't. I don't give a fuck. I

3905
03:18:16,920 --> 03:18:17,720
Speaker 1: love Donald Glover.

3906
03:18:17,840 --> 03:18:18,720
Speaker 3: But he tricked.

3907
03:18:18,480 --> 03:18:21,120
Speaker 1: Effects into doing Atlanta. Yes, he did like they He

3908
03:18:21,160 --> 03:18:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't put them.

3909
03:18:21,959 --> 03:18:22,360
Speaker 3: Up on it.

3910
03:18:22,440 --> 03:18:24,840
Speaker 1: He just was like, I'm actually gonna make something about

3911
03:18:24,840 --> 03:18:27,960
Speaker 1: black life and the soung and uh, I'll tell you

3912
03:18:28,040 --> 03:18:29,080
Speaker 1: it's about a rappers.

3913
03:18:29,200 --> 03:18:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty cent, I don't know name.

3914
03:18:30,879 --> 03:18:33,879
Speaker 5: Who do you know who's your favorite rapper?

3915
03:18:34,000 --> 03:18:34,360
Speaker 4: Future?

3916
03:18:34,560 --> 03:18:37,160
Speaker 1: It's about future And then he went, you're right. Then

3917
03:18:37,160 --> 03:18:40,199
Speaker 1: he wouldn't made an absurdest take on you know, race

3918
03:18:40,280 --> 03:18:43,360
Speaker 1: and love and everything in America. That's what this was.

3919
03:18:43,440 --> 03:18:45,760
Speaker 1: Not that. This was him walking in the room and going,

3920
03:18:45,840 --> 03:18:48,600
Speaker 1: this is my vision. And they fucking said, where do

3921
03:18:48,680 --> 03:18:51,600
Speaker 1: we write the check for the for the money Because

3922
03:18:51,840 --> 03:18:54,360
Speaker 1: even though and they also said they want to work

3923
03:18:54,360 --> 03:18:56,320
Speaker 1: with him in the future, which I mean, of course,

3924
03:18:56,360 --> 03:18:59,800
Speaker 1: but also like this is before they even was reporting

3925
03:18:59,840 --> 03:19:02,480
Speaker 1: a This is when they were reporting the if he

3926
03:19:02,560 --> 03:19:04,680
Speaker 1: used to make this much money, and they was like, yeah,

3927
03:19:04,720 --> 03:19:07,640
Speaker 1: fuck whatever, y'all said, it's gonna make what we need

3928
03:19:07,680 --> 03:19:08,560
Speaker 1: and he'll be back.

3929
03:19:09,040 --> 03:19:12,720
Speaker 6: Right, And this speaks more of the white people didn't

3930
03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:14,440
Speaker 6: know where the money at and the white people that's

3931
03:19:14,560 --> 03:19:17,400
Speaker 6: just talking because like all these critics and all these

3932
03:19:17,440 --> 03:19:21,800
Speaker 6: people who didn't know and didn't exist, somebody somewhere up

3933
03:19:21,800 --> 03:19:25,280
Speaker 6: there was like, hey, I see people talking about this,

3934
03:19:25,360 --> 03:19:28,080
Speaker 6: and they was like, this movie gonna make money. Let's

3935
03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:30,560
Speaker 6: go ahead and strap him in for several of the

3936
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:31,320
Speaker 6: movies he.

3937
03:19:31,400 --> 03:19:36,240
Speaker 2: Made Black Panther, Right, he what are we talking about?

3938
03:19:36,480 --> 03:19:36,840
Speaker 3: Creed?

3939
03:19:37,400 --> 03:19:40,840
Speaker 1: Like he all right, finally, can you guys tell the

3940
03:19:40,840 --> 03:19:48,960
Speaker 1: people where to find your podcast?

3941
03:19:50,879 --> 03:19:52,520
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm not I'm still gonna throw it to you.

3942
03:19:52,600 --> 03:19:54,199
Speaker 5: I just want to say something else about the movie

3943
03:19:55,800 --> 03:20:01,000
Speaker 5: Best Director, Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress,

3944
03:20:01,160 --> 03:20:06,360
Speaker 5: Best Original score, Like I want I want to clean sweet,

3945
03:20:06,760 --> 03:20:07,520
Speaker 5: I want it all.

3946
03:20:07,760 --> 03:20:10,400
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be crazy.

3947
03:20:11,160 --> 03:20:14,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna be crazy on Twitter around this time, because

3948
03:20:14,480 --> 03:20:18,039
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all right now, this the one film every

3949
03:20:18,080 --> 03:20:21,840
Speaker 1: black person did watch. And I don't even know what's

3950
03:20:21,879 --> 03:20:23,640
Speaker 1: coming out the rest of the year, but I promise

3951
03:20:23,680 --> 03:20:26,560
Speaker 1: you they didn't watch the other films.

3952
03:20:26,600 --> 03:20:29,240
Speaker 3: They did not so and they might it's.

3953
03:20:29,040 --> 03:20:32,400
Speaker 1: Gonna like it normally get crazy anyway when motherfucker's went,

3954
03:20:32,440 --> 03:20:34,760
Speaker 1: like six of y'all saw Bill Street and y'all decided

3955
03:20:34,840 --> 03:20:37,680
Speaker 1: that's the one. I'm talking about, one hundred percent of

3956
03:20:37,720 --> 03:20:41,080
Speaker 1: black people saw Centers, and then zero of them will

3957
03:20:41,120 --> 03:20:44,360
Speaker 1: have seen whatever the Holocaust movie of the year is, whatever,

3958
03:20:44,400 --> 03:20:47,840
Speaker 1: the World War Two movie of the years, whatever the

3959
03:20:47,840 --> 03:20:51,800
Speaker 1: the rock and roll are like bio pick is, It's

3960
03:20:51,840 --> 03:20:59,160
Speaker 1: gonna be real racial. It's gonna be super clear.

3961
03:21:00,080 --> 03:21:03,680
Speaker 5: Tuber I just I saw the reaction to it. Who

3962
03:21:03,800 --> 03:21:06,480
Speaker 5: is like known in like the Manisphere is known to

3963
03:21:06,520 --> 03:21:09,560
Speaker 5: be like cooonish, but he gets people. Whatever he said

3964
03:21:09,879 --> 03:21:13,160
Speaker 5: he didn't like the movie. I've never seen a human

3965
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:16,800
Speaker 5: being get attacked like this before. It's there to the

3966
03:21:16,840 --> 03:21:22,000
Speaker 5: point where even your your favorite you, you yourself.

3967
03:21:21,560 --> 03:21:24,440
Speaker 1: Said you don't be going to movies like that. You've

3968
03:21:24,440 --> 03:21:27,480
Speaker 1: gone to see this movie twice this is gonna be.

3969
03:21:27,600 --> 03:21:29,160
Speaker 5: I get to see it. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing

3970
03:21:29,160 --> 03:21:31,240
Speaker 5: it this weekend, and I'll see it again after that.

3971
03:21:31,320 --> 03:21:34,279
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a problem. It's gonna be a problem.

3972
03:21:34,320 --> 03:21:38,279
Speaker 2: Just telling you prepare yourself. That's all I'm saying. Prepare yourself.

3973
03:21:39,320 --> 03:21:42,400
Speaker 1: Nothing else on your for you page. It's gonna be

3974
03:21:43,240 --> 03:21:49,320
Speaker 1: allegations of racism. That will be if I know the Academy, they.

3975
03:21:49,240 --> 03:21:54,280
Speaker 5: Will costume, behign, best cinematography, yes, clean, clean, sweet. I

3976
03:21:54,320 --> 03:21:57,039
Speaker 5: don't hear anything else. Don't don't talk to me if

3977
03:21:57,200 --> 03:21:58,959
Speaker 5: if the gaffer loses, it's.

3978
03:21:58,879 --> 03:22:02,359
Speaker 1: Up and the Holly will record her and the fucking

3979
03:22:03,120 --> 03:22:08,440
Speaker 1: Variety will do those anonymous interviews with white people in

3980
03:22:08,520 --> 03:22:11,040
Speaker 1: the academy who are like, I don't even know what

3981
03:22:11,080 --> 03:22:12,240
Speaker 1: a Ryan Coogler is.

3982
03:22:12,400 --> 03:22:13,760
Speaker 2: I never saw a black panther.

3983
03:22:15,040 --> 03:22:16,000
Speaker 3: I hate, I hate.

3984
03:22:16,320 --> 03:22:18,960
Speaker 1: I didn't see black panthers because that black in the title.

3985
03:22:19,440 --> 03:22:21,560
Speaker 1: It's like that they're gonna put those out and it's

3986
03:22:21,600 --> 03:22:25,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a fucking race war on Twitter. I honest

3987
03:22:25,000 --> 03:22:27,280
Speaker 1: to God, like Kaitlyn Clark gonna have to come out

3988
03:22:27,320 --> 03:22:27,920
Speaker 1: and say something.

3989
03:22:27,959 --> 03:22:30,640
Speaker 3: It's just to calm them down.

3990
03:22:30,760 --> 03:22:31,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna be bad.

3991
03:22:33,120 --> 03:22:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna have to get what's the newer page

3992
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:36,720
Speaker 1: Beckers page.

3993
03:22:36,760 --> 03:22:37,840
Speaker 3: Becker's gonna be out.

3994
03:22:37,640 --> 03:22:40,880
Speaker 2: There in her in her motherfucking.

3995
03:22:42,360 --> 03:22:44,160
Speaker 3: No, that's what I'm saying. She's gonna be.

3996
03:22:44,360 --> 03:22:46,920
Speaker 1: She gonna be out there in her nineteen nineties NBA

3997
03:22:47,080 --> 03:22:50,560
Speaker 1: draft fit and be like and she's gonna be saying

3998
03:22:51,480 --> 03:22:55,960
Speaker 1: singing Nero spirituals to talking about how married, Yeah, how

3999
03:22:56,640 --> 03:23:00,080
Speaker 1: mad she is that the best grip didn't win like that.

4000
03:23:00,200 --> 03:23:01,440
Speaker 3: It's gonna be that's.

4001
03:23:01,280 --> 03:23:03,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a racial war line. I'm sign up.

4002
03:23:03,720 --> 03:23:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm just telling y'all, right now, choose.

4003
03:23:05,400 --> 03:23:07,600
Speaker 5: Up, big up, pick a side.

4004
03:23:07,959 --> 03:23:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm already telling y'all I'm being very reasonable right now.

4005
03:23:10,560 --> 03:23:13,440
Speaker 6: And on top of that, who, like Rogie says, because

4006
03:23:13,440 --> 03:23:15,920
Speaker 6: we're moving critics, who knows what else is gonna come.

4007
03:23:15,959 --> 03:23:18,199
Speaker 3: I don't even know what. But it don't even matter.

4008
03:23:18,520 --> 03:23:20,480
Speaker 4: But the nature, it doesn't matter.

4009
03:23:20,800 --> 03:23:25,000
Speaker 1: By the nature of the law of averages, some movies

4010
03:23:25,160 --> 03:23:30,240
Speaker 1: somewhere will do something better in some category in this movie.

4011
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:33,560
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I'm picking this movie because I'm black,

4012
03:23:34,280 --> 03:23:37,360
Speaker 1: just putting it out there. I'm not trying to debate

4013
03:23:37,400 --> 03:23:39,959
Speaker 1: it with you. I'm not even if you call me

4014
03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:43,359
Speaker 1: on it. I'm gonna be like, Okay, and y'all pick white.

4015
03:23:43,120 --> 03:23:44,920
Speaker 3: Ship every time, all the time.

4016
03:23:45,120 --> 03:23:49,680
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson stayed coming out with stuff, the most quirkiest ship.

4017
03:23:49,959 --> 03:23:51,240
Speaker 2: Okay, now, Mike tell them what.

4018
03:23:51,280 --> 03:23:54,320
Speaker 4: I find said, the best nigga, the boom mic.

4019
03:23:54,800 --> 03:23:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, best best parking attendant. Let's go.

4020
03:24:02,760 --> 03:24:08,320
Speaker 5: Ye. I mean that's funny. But those hair cuts.

4021
03:24:08,440 --> 03:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Come on five. They was modern for looking. It was

4022
03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:13,280
Speaker 2: modern for looking.

4023
03:24:13,520 --> 03:24:16,519
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, that's building.

4024
03:24:18,720 --> 03:24:18,879
Speaker 5: Want.

4025
03:24:20,400 --> 03:24:25,240
Speaker 3: I want it all. We deserve, we deserve it all.

4026
03:24:29,800 --> 03:24:32,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well I just want to I just

4027
03:24:32,200 --> 03:24:35,760
Speaker 4: want to thank you Rotten Karen just for having us

4028
03:24:35,800 --> 03:24:40,320
Speaker 4: on providing us, you know, this space and opportunity to chat.

4029
03:24:40,400 --> 03:24:43,720
Speaker 4: And I want to thank Bossy always, you know, publicly,

4030
03:24:43,959 --> 03:24:46,800
Speaker 4: just you know, because you're dope and we're dope together,

4031
03:24:47,040 --> 03:24:52,600
Speaker 4: and yes, we really are. And and uh, our podcast

4032
03:24:52,840 --> 03:24:56,760
Speaker 4: is called the idea of. All of our episodes are

4033
03:24:56,800 --> 03:24:59,560
Speaker 4: the idea of and then you know the content that

4034
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:02,320
Speaker 4: we're talking about. You can find us anywhere you find podcasts.

4035
03:25:02,320 --> 03:25:07,360
Speaker 4: We're on Spotify, on Apple and everywhere else. We will

4036
03:25:07,400 --> 03:25:10,160
Speaker 4: be you know, once we get our lighting and camera

4037
03:25:10,280 --> 03:25:14,720
Speaker 4: straight we're gonna be on on all on YouTube, and

4038
03:25:14,800 --> 03:25:17,120
Speaker 4: I g you'll see clips and we'll be going viral

4039
03:25:17,200 --> 03:25:21,400
Speaker 4: and all that. We know we're gonna get there. We're

4040
03:25:21,400 --> 03:25:24,160
Speaker 4: gonna get there. We'll get there. But no, just thank y'all.

4041
03:25:24,160 --> 03:25:26,920
Speaker 4: The idea of and and this is you know, we

4042
03:25:26,920 --> 03:25:30,000
Speaker 4: we're kinfolds. We're cousins right here, the four of us.

4043
03:25:30,120 --> 03:25:32,760
Speaker 4: Like the way that y'all vibe. And I also want

4044
03:25:32,760 --> 03:25:36,760
Speaker 4: to say, Bossy put me on to you all, and

4045
03:25:37,160 --> 03:25:40,959
Speaker 4: I wasn't. I wasn't familiar, and I kicked myself for

4046
03:25:41,320 --> 03:25:45,039
Speaker 4: so I'm back filling in all the episodes. I'm getting

4047
03:25:45,080 --> 03:25:48,240
Speaker 4: to know y'all in real time. I text Bossy about

4048
03:25:48,240 --> 03:25:50,160
Speaker 4: an hour before this show and I was like, wait, wait,

4049
03:25:50,160 --> 03:25:57,119
Speaker 4: wait wait wait, and Karen I was like, what you mean,

4050
03:25:58,240 --> 03:26:01,440
Speaker 4: just like the whole like it was just it's just dope, Like.

4051
03:26:01,879 --> 03:26:03,120
Speaker 2: We met it at juke joint.

4052
03:26:03,200 --> 03:26:07,800
Speaker 3: Her husband was husband was not a lasting about that night.

4053
03:26:07,879 --> 03:26:10,280
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was a wild night.

4054
03:26:11,080 --> 03:26:15,040
Speaker 4: It was vampires and white people. Thank y'all.

4055
03:26:15,760 --> 03:26:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm glad y'all can make it, made this guy for

4056
03:26:20,440 --> 03:26:23,320
Speaker 5: being a great coach, And thank you Rod and Karen

4057
03:26:23,480 --> 03:26:25,800
Speaker 5: of course, always, always, always none belive.

4058
03:26:27,160 --> 03:26:29,080
Speaker 3: We'll be back Saturday for feedback.

4059
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all have lots to say about this episode

4060
03:26:31,160 --> 03:26:33,920
Speaker 1: among the others, so that probably be longest ship too, but.

4061
03:26:34,040 --> 03:26:34,800
Speaker 3: That is what it is.

4062
03:26:35,959 --> 03:26:37,480
Speaker 2: Talk to you then, until next time.

4063
03:26:37,560 --> 03:26:38,520
Speaker 3: I love you. I love you to