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Speaker 1: illegal voter intimidation. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics,

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Speaker 1: as the Feds respond to armed groups gathering around dropboxes

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Speaker 1: supposed to be. I mean, it's just pretty amazing to

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Speaker 1: think about five thousand dollars Captain Kelly you raised by

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Speaker 1: launching an n f T to support Ukraine. You've been

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Speaker 1: at this for a while. Yeah, I've been at this

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Speaker 1: from from the very beginning. And like I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have a niece and nephew that are Ukrainian Americans.

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Speaker 1: Their dad and my brother in law was an archive,

435
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Speaker 1: you know, a place that is currently you know, you know,

436
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Speaker 1: really a focal point of this war right now. And yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: so this is an issue that I took to heart

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Speaker 1: right away. I saw it as you know, with Russia

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Speaker 1: starting a war in Europe unprovoked, that this was an

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Speaker 1: issue that we should all get get behind it helping Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And I had platform to do it because I had,

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Speaker 1: you know, between you know, Twitter folls and and exposure

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Speaker 1: in Russia and and and and in Ukraine a little

444
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Speaker 1: bit my you know, I read a book that was

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Speaker 1: translated into Russian, so I'm somewhat of a known figure there,

446
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Speaker 1: and I have the ability to tweet in Russian at

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Speaker 1: the Russian people and try to show them what the

448
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Speaker 1: reality of this is. So I I took it. I've

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Speaker 1: taken it very seriously from the very beginning. You've actually

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Speaker 1: you've been a notorious troll on social media for some Russians,

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Speaker 1: so you kind of spooked off the platform. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I call it a troll. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the noun version is that the trolling captain is

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Speaker 1: what I want to say, you know, my first trolling ever,

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Speaker 1: if that's what you want to call, maybe maybe referred

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Speaker 1: to it as like social media warrior. I like that.

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Speaker 1: It's consistent consistent with your resume. Who are you spooking

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Speaker 1: off of Twitter? Next? M oh, I'm not targeting anyone

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Speaker 1: in the specific The reason I, you know, went after

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Speaker 1: the head of rusk Cosmos, the Russian space agencies because

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00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: he threatened to leave an American crew member behind that

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Speaker 1: he was responsible for and I was just absolutely shocked.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I went at him in his own language,

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Speaker 1: in ways that he could you know, ways that he

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Speaker 1: can understand um, with language that would get his attention,

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Speaker 1: and I think it may have worked. You talked to

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Speaker 1: your brother about this when it comes to war funding, obviously,

468
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Speaker 1: the senator from Arizona. You both have a platform, Captain Kelly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have not talked to him specifically about

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Speaker 1: like you know, government policy or legislation, legislation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he's certainly aware of my stance, and I

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Speaker 1: understand that he's a you know, a big supporter of

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Speaker 1: freedom and democracy and supports Ukraine, so you have I

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00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: haven't gotten into any specifics, like you know, hey, you

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Speaker 1: should vote for this or they probably listen to me anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about that. I think you have

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Speaker 1: a few things in common, uh, including your biology. But look,

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Speaker 1: in terms of President Zelenski, he's been asking Washington to

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Speaker 1: help close the skies that that was the refrain when

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Speaker 1: he addressed uh the Joint Session of Congress. There was

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Speaker 1: a time when he was begging for fighter jets. You're

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Speaker 1: a former fighter pilot. Would they actually make a difference? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good question, you know because

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Speaker 1: right now, and it's my understanding that Russia does not

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Speaker 1: control the skies of Ukraine. So you know, on one hand,

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Speaker 1: I think it would it would be helpful and make

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Speaker 1: a difference. I'm much sure how much of a difference

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Speaker 1: it would make. Having said that, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: anti missile systems would be really helpful because they're getting

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Speaker 1: you know, having you know, cruise missiles and other you know,

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Speaker 1: things that you know that could be countered with, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, some existing systems out there. So whether you

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Speaker 1: know airplanes are really required and how you know, giving

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Speaker 1: Ukraine a bunch of F sixteens or something. But would

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Speaker 1: that be helpful? Sure? I think it would be helpful.

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Speaker 1: Would it make a huge difference, I'm not probably, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I probably don't know the details there with the air

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Speaker 1: war enough to really really comment on that. Well, everybody

499
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: likes to talk like an expert, and you actually are one, though,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like it's more complicated than a lot of

501
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: people are making it out to be. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: just given given a country a bunch of airplanes when

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Speaker 1: the you know, when the airspace is not dominated by

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00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Russia right now is uh? I think something that really

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Speaker 1: has to be studied and what it does to escalate

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Speaker 1: the situation or not. Well, I want to congratulate you

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Speaker 1: and thank you for the work that you're doing in

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00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: the service that you've provided not only our cound for you,

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Speaker 1: but now that the people of Ukraine. It's admirable and

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Speaker 1: the captain, we thank you for being here on Bloomberg appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Scott Kelly, by all means, flew over eight thousand hours

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Speaker 1: in more than forty aircraft two hundred and fifty carrier

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Speaker 1: landings in his naval career. I know people refer to

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Speaker 1: him as an astronaut. He spent more time in space

515
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: than Luke Skywalker. This guy is a Tomcat pilot. Anybody

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Speaker 1: who puts an airplane down on the deck of an

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Speaker 1: aircraft carrier in the rain at night has my respect.

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Speaker 1: By the way, no one who flew in fough fourteen

519
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Speaker 1: should ever be called to troll. Get your ambulances ready.

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Speaker 1: I know he's going to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: take a donated ambulance, maybe a barge full overseas. I'm Joe,

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Speaker 1: Matthew and Washington. This is Bloomberg Sound on the fastest

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Speaker 1: hour in politics with the best panel in the business.

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Speaker 1: Jennie Chantano and Rick Davis are back with us now.

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Speaker 1: Of course our signature panel. I mentioned a bit earlier

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Speaker 1: here some US military personnel. I'm amazed this is not

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Speaker 1: making a bigger headline. US military personnel now operating inside Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was never going to happen, didn't we

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Speaker 1: say that as part of a team of weapons inspectors

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Speaker 1: that are helping Ukrainians operate. You know, these very sophisticated

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Speaker 1: systems that we are providing. Brigadier General pat Ryder speaking

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Speaker 1: for the Pentagon, my understanding is they would be wealth

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Speaker 1: uh well far away from any type of frontline actions.

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Speaker 1: We are relying on the Ukrainians to do that. We're

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Speaker 1: relying on other partners to do that. So away from

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Speaker 1: the front lines. But we're in Ukraine having had a

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Speaker 1: fit over Iranians doing similar work in Russian occupied areas

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Genie isn't this what Joe Biden said would

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Speaker 1: never happen? Could this not threaten a direct conflict with

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Speaker 1: US forces? Well, you know, anything could threaten that, and

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Speaker 1: I think that is a real concern obviously. But of course,

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Speaker 1: what are they doing there. They are helping the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: and military utilize their training and helping them utilize this

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Speaker 1: equipment properly that we are providing. I mean, it would

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Speaker 1: make little sense if we were providing this much equipment,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just sort of leaving them to their

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Speaker 1: own devices. So, you know, I know that that's what

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Speaker 1: the administration is hoping that putin sees has as a difference,

549
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Speaker 1: but you know, there's there's no guarantees on that, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we obviously aren't facing them on the ground

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00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: in a battle directly in that way, sure, but it's

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Speaker 1: you know, we're in the zone here. And the idea

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Speaker 1: was that we would never we were pulling Ukrainians out

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Speaker 1: of country to train them on these weapons systems in

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Speaker 1: Poland and Romania. Now we're just going in rick. Maybe

556
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Speaker 1: maybe we should have done this all along. But doesn't

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Speaker 1: this seem significant? You know? I think it's significant because

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Speaker 1: anytime you have our personnel in the country of the Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Uh with Vladimir Putin lobbying missiles right and left at

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Speaker 1: civilian targets, they run the risk of being injured or killed. So, um,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's that's obviously a news item.

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Speaker 1: I think it's naive to think that we are now

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Speaker 1: giving them very sophisticated weapons, unlike the ones that I

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Speaker 1: think Genie was referring to, where you know they're basically

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Speaker 1: Russian retreads. That we could move these guys to Poland

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Speaker 1: from Ukraine, teach them how to use it, and then

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Speaker 1: send them back in Um, you know it would it

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Speaker 1: normally takes six months for US personnel or how do

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Speaker 1: you see systems, and that's not in the battle zone.

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Speaker 1: So I think it makes sense. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 1: it does change the complexity of the war. But this

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Speaker 1: is a war that I think, you know, you have

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for a lot of complexity as this

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Speaker 1: segments on, because this this is not the way anybody

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Speaker 1: would have written a script. You know, at the start

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Speaker 1: of this war, would you bet that there are CIA

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Speaker 1: operatives working in the country or ununiformed military operative Stewart

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe closer to the front lines, Rick, or

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Speaker 1: in Kiev. I hope our intelligence agencies are doing everything

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Speaker 1: they can to support the war effort on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians. We've got a diplomatic core there. Of course,

582
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Speaker 1: we have to protect them, Genie, but that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit different from what we're talking about. You've got to

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Speaker 1: believe US intelligence is on the ground there, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have to believe that, you know. And the intelligence

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Speaker 1: has really won the day for Ukraine. The United States, NATO,

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Speaker 1: all of the countries together have done a really amazing

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Speaker 1: job in that arena, so they must be there. To

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Speaker 1: your point, though, there is always the risk of escalation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, as Rick said, some U

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Speaker 1: S soldier, some military official, you know, an intelligence operative,

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Speaker 1: somebody is killed, that could lead to an escalation. And

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Speaker 1: that is always the fear, that's always the danger. We

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Speaker 1: wanted to keep this a proxy war, but there's only

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Speaker 1: so long you could do this. With sixty billion dollars

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Speaker 1: going over there, it's not going to last. Well, I'll

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00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: tell you, Oh, it sure doesn't look like it's getting

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Speaker 1: a lot better. When you see Kiev with the lights

599
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: again here no water. This is getting to feel desperate

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Speaker 1: for a lot of civilians in Ukraine. You guys have

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Speaker 1: access to an ambulance, can help out Captain Kelly. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, Rick, I want to volunteer to be

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Speaker 1: an ambulance driver for Captain Kelly. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: that would be a luck. That's a commitment. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go start calling everybody I know in the

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Speaker 1: hospital business and see if they got spares. I love

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Speaker 1: that we know you have the resources here in the connections, Rick,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about Russia and and our partnership in space,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty stark. When Scott Kelly, of all people, Genie

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Speaker 1: says that the marriage is over, that's right. That really

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Speaker 1: was a stunning statement on his part, and you are

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Speaker 1: so right. You know, I would be nervous to call

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Speaker 1: him a troll or trolling Joe Matthew because he's a

614
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: really tough guy. But looking at his Twitter feed, it

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Speaker 1: is quite remarkable what he says. You know, he calls

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Speaker 1: in a murderer, a thief, a war criminal, kidnapper, so

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00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, but then to hear him say that the

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Speaker 1: relationship with the United States and Russia, at least as

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Speaker 1: far as he's concerned and what he would hope would

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Speaker 1: happen is over is a stunning statement from somebody who's

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Speaker 1: devoted his life to cooperation in space and and you know,

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Speaker 1: to hear that this is where we are today, speaks

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Speaker 1: volumes about what has happened in just six months. This

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Speaker 1: is someone who has had an opportunity to look at

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Speaker 1: the Earth from space, just a perspective most of us

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Speaker 1: will never have a worldview literally that will never have

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Speaker 1: and he did it for longer. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 1: record holder. His last mission, his final mission aboard the

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Speaker 1: I S S was three hundred forty days as they were,

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Speaker 1: you know, experimenting on the impact of extended exposure on

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Speaker 1: the human body. Uh, we're done with Russia in space, Rick, Right,

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Speaker 1: that's not a relationship you're gonna rebuild. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I thought his comments were really striking. Here's a guy

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Speaker 1: who has served with Russians, knows the language, knows people,

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Speaker 1: understands the culture, and for him to sort of slam

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Speaker 1: the door as he described on that relationship, especially in

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Speaker 1: the one area that you thought could survive cooperation is

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Speaker 1: an outer space. Um. I think it's one of the

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Speaker 1: most telling things I've heard on this program and quite

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Speaker 1: some time. It's remarkable. Well, we thank the Captain again

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Speaker 1: for being with us, and thank you Matt for introducing

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Speaker 1: us here on Bloomberg Sound on one of the other

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Speaker 1: stories popping today. I have to ask you both about it,

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Speaker 1: because my god, they just keep coming. Brings us back

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Speaker 1: to Georgia. Jane Doe speaks in this case to ABC

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Speaker 1: News Gloria all right at her side. This is the

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Speaker 1: second woman to accuse, of course, herschel Walker, the Republican

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Speaker 1: Senate nominee, of paying for and what she describes as

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Speaker 1: forcing her essentially to have an abortion. In her own

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Speaker 1: words today, he did not want me to have the child.

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Speaker 1: And he said that, he said that because of his

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Speaker 1: wife's emily and powerful people around him, that I would

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Speaker 1: not be safe and that the child would not be safe.

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Speaker 1: That's very menacing. It is a very menacing It is

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Speaker 1: very menacing. But Rick Davis, it doesn't matter, right, Look,

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Speaker 1: all this stuff is a compilation of who herschel Walker is.

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Speaker 1: That you can't ignore the noise in the system. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's it may be too little, too late, um uh.

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Speaker 1: But then again, this campaign, I mean, the thing we

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Speaker 1: have to remember about Georgia, right, is that if neither

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Speaker 1: one of these guys get they're in for a runoff

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Speaker 1: for another month. And so this kind of news could

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Speaker 1: have an impact, you know, thirty days from now. Whether

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Speaker 1: or not it can impact the election tomorrow is a question.

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Speaker 1: But but certainly these kinds of things as they proved

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Speaker 1: themselves out and they they either you know, become fact

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Speaker 1: this could haunt him. Republicans really haven't blinked at this one,

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Speaker 1: Jennie and listened to herschel Walker today turning back, and

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Speaker 1: he's been on the attack lately. Yesterday was Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: Now it's of course his opponent, Senator Raphael Warnock. He

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Speaker 1: even told us he had a doll that dog and

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Speaker 1: even belonged to him. He was fooling us dead and

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Speaker 1: I want to wear that dog at today. That dog

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Speaker 1: problems That same thing he said, that's the same thing

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Speaker 1: he said during the debate. During the debate he became

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Speaker 1: Scooby Doo because you can remember this. They asked him,

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Speaker 1: they asked him, say said will you support Joe by

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Speaker 1: four run? And he went like okay, I got you.

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Speaker 1: Now live at the improv with herschel Walker. By the way,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty what was a pretty good Scooby Doo.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, Genie, is this is the way

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Speaker 1: to go? You know it? You had me there, Joe Matthews.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out where is this possibly going?

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Speaker 1: And now I got it. Um it took a while. Wow. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is a race that's you know, one point six,

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Speaker 1: it's within the margin of error. As Rick mentioned, it's

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Speaker 1: probably going to go to a runoff. He you know,

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Speaker 1: has been going on the offensive trying to certainly not

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Speaker 1: you know, not discuss these issues because of course he

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Speaker 1: is somebody who has supported abortion bands without exceptions, and

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Speaker 1: he has denied these allegations. And this woman today decided

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Speaker 1: to show her face. Whether it makes a difference, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. But let's not forget every vote is going

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Speaker 1: to count in this race. It's going to be incredibly close,

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Speaker 1: and so for that reason, these types of issues may

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Speaker 1: play to a certain extent, absolutely incredible. But I think

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Speaker 1: Rick is onto something there. Just wait for the runoff.

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Speaker 1: That is when this really might start to have an impact,

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Speaker 1: because boy, until then, it's too close to call. And

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Speaker 1: on this day, after Halloween helped her, but we're brought

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Speaker 1: back with the helm of herschel Walker to the classic

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Speaker 1: school but sorts. That's it for sound on, Rick and Jennie,

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Speaker 1: thank you as we leave you with little underscore here.

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Speaker 1: I'll meet you back here tomorrow with of course, our

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Speaker 1: signature panel and a lot more to talk about as

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama gets back on the trail. I'm Joe Matthew,

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Speaker 1: this Bluebird