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Speaker 1: High Gang. My name is David Keckner. I'm Todd Packer

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Speaker 1: from the Office the pac Man. What's up, my nerds? Well,

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Speaker 1: hello again, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Office

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Speaker 1: Deep Dive. Buckle up, It's gonna be a bumpy ride today,

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Speaker 1: that's all I'll tell you. I am, as always, your host,

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Speaker 1: Brian baum Gartner, and I've got some exciting news. As

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Speaker 1: you know, I am soon going to be transitioning into

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Speaker 1: my new podcast, Off the Beat, which is going to

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Speaker 1: take what we do here at the Office Deep Dive

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Speaker 1: and expand it to more of your favorite guests and shows.

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Speaker 1: So we will still be talking to folks associated with

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Speaker 1: the Office, but so much more. And so today you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a little sneak peek of what you can

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Speaker 1: expect in Off the Beat as we bring in a

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Speaker 1: very special guest, one of my good friends and one

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Speaker 1: of the funniest guys that I know, David Keckner. Now

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Speaker 1: you may know him as Todd Packer from the Office,

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Speaker 1: the pac Man himself. But today we're gonna go deep,

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Speaker 1: that's what she said. We're gonna go into his full career,

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Speaker 1: starting with his early days at Second City and Improv

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Speaker 1: his move out to l A, which led to his

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Speaker 1: big break as champ Kind on Anchorman, and well the

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Speaker 1: longstanding friendship he's had with both Steve Carrell and Nancy

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Speaker 1: Walls Correll, which is how he landed his guest starring

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Speaker 1: role on the Office as the man we all understandably

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Speaker 1: love to hate. So let's dive in right now. The

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Speaker 1: man who brought everyone in the old at the Office

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Speaker 1: down is here today to lift us up. David Keckner. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Bubble and squeak. I love it, Bubble and squeak on

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Speaker 1: Bubble and squeaker, cooking at every month left over from

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Speaker 1: the nabby. Hey, well, what do I see but doubleb

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Speaker 1: He's looking at me. How are you, buddy? Always I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Always with the hat I need I need lessons from

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Speaker 1: you in hat wear. Well, you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's my head shape or something. See how

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Speaker 1: really Brian, I gotta say, I've always thought this. It's

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Speaker 1: the larger forehead, the superior forehead that we have. But

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Speaker 1: it's for me it's the ears I gotta watch out for,

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Speaker 1: you know, yah, because the ball cap doesn't do those.

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Speaker 1: So baby, do you sunscreen? I do, sure, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't religiously sunscreen, so I gotta that's my This

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Speaker 1: in a ball way more fashionable as well. Well. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for saying so. And you're right, Yeah, I am right.

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Speaker 1: I'm right, Dave. You are one of the funniest people

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Speaker 1: I've ever met. Um that that almost goes with without sad.

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Speaker 1: Let's stop there. That was the episode and I am

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Speaker 1: now fully stated I want to go back with you

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot about your life that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know obviously, Well we'll talk about the chiefs later

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Speaker 1: on in Kansas City. But you were born in Tipton, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: and I assume your family was in in farming, right

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Speaker 1: never seen a turkey coop in someone's backyard. I've seen

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what his name was, but I

426
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: do know that in the previous two auditions everyone thought

427
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: he was British because all he did was speaking of

428
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: British accent, and we're all from America. We don't know

429
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: if it's a real one or not. It seemed fine,

430
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: It did seem I didn't get to know him. That

431
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: seemed a bit presentational to me, but then apparently at

432
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: his meeting it came out like, oh, I'm not really British,

433
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: but he'd always been doing everything. It's like, okay, fella,

434
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: there seems to be a potential problem with you. And

435
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: then he didn't make use. Everyone's like, probably that guy's

436
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: gonna make it, but he was gone. So I think

437
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: that's what that final meeting is, to find out, Hey,

438
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: what do we got here? Now we're just one on one,

439
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: there's no performance. Who are you? So? Yes, Will Farrell

440
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: and I were hired the same day, and then Will

441
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: and I went to a baseball game that night and

442
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: a limo pulls up and myself and Will and Steve

443
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: Higgins sat in the fourth row behind home plate. There

444
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: Laurence seats Born didn't sit with us. He sat with

445
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Speaker 1: Jim Silly, who did all the films, the short films

446
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: about eighteen rolls back and we're like, so we're at

447
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: a game with Lauren. This is how a game with

448
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: Lauren works. And before that, Lauren had mentioned to me, um,

449
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: Dave at the meeting, that's right, Dave. You know this

450
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: is your first time that people see you on television,

451
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Speaker 1: So it's up to you. Do you want to have

452
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: or not. I was like, what And he told me

453
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: all the people that had wigs and all the people

454
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: that had plugs. And I'm not going to tell you,

455
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: but it was a list of people. You're thinking like, oh, yeah,

456
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see. Like, I think

457
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: to myself, like, is he telling me I have to

458
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: get a too pay? Is he telling me I have

459
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: to get hair plugs? I was like, oh, fun, because

460
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking there's no way I could ever live

461
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: it down with my buddies from Chicago if I show

462
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: up on TV with hair, because they'd be like, who

463
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: the fuck are you? Or my family would just probably go, oh,

464
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: this is sad. And then I remember later, Lauren, you know,

465
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: because I could I assume he could clearly see I

466
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: was struggling with it. And I remember after the game

467
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: he said, Dave about the hair, fuck, it doesn't matter

468
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: to you. You be you like, oh, thank god. So

469
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 1: that was that I may have been like the first

470
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: bald guy on the show. Maybe not that it matters, right,

471
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: That is interesting. Yeah, so you know that's how it happened. Yeah,

472
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of new people with me, as

473
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: me and Will Ferrell and sherryo Terry and Jim Brewer

474
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: and Darryl Hammond and Nancy Walls and Molly Shannon's second year,

475
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: McDonald's third year, Spades fifth year, Tim Meadows fifth year.

476
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: Then Chris Catan came on halfway through the season. God,

477
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: they're there's a whole picture over there. Oh um. Mark

478
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: McKinney's second year. I think that's all of this. Wow,

479
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I love that and I love that you,

480
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, sitting at home in Tipton, said that's what

481
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, and then you did, and then that

482
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: brought you calm later on. Yeah, I tell you, Brian.

483
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: And when I got the show, I already decided my mind,

484
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm not staying. You get a six year contract, and

485
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: I already decided I'm not staying six years because I

486
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: always felt there's some people that stayed too long here

487
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to be one of them. And

488
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna be here three years. And whether

489
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: you believe in manifesting things or not. After the first year,

490
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't invited back, and I was shocked because I

491
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: had a great first year, but apparently some people on

492
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: the West Coast didn't dig what I was doing, and

493
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm Irish Catholic, and as a person

494
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: from Second City and a teacher there had once told

495
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: me because he was Irish too, he was you know,

496
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: we Irish, we don't suffer fools, gladly, and I certainly didn't.

497
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: And I had very strong opinions about what should and

498
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the show. And I think I was

499
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: pretty loud in my opinions. And no one gave me

500
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: fuck because you know, you're you're not running the show, boy,

501
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: You're on the show. Do anything to get on the show.

502
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: And it had been suggested to me that I do

503
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: this one character as a talk show, and I thought

504
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: that was the dumbest idea that I've heard. And I

505
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: told him that that I realized after I wasn't asked back.

506
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: They weren't asking me, they were telling me do this,

507
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: But they were nice to know, how about this as

508
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: a talk show? And I would say, that's what's wrong

509
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: with this show. We have too many talk shows. We

510
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: need more scenes. No one cares what you think. But

511
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, it was a blessing, I guess, because you know,

512
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: I moved out to l A. It was very fortunate

513
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: to start working right away. I had a development deal

514
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: within three months that I moved out here. So I've

515
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: been very fortunate. That's awesome. I want to mention really quickly.

516
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I know you did stuff with Conan O'Brien before you

517
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: left New York right a little bit, Lauren Lauren felt bad.

518
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: Lauren did not want to fire me. Lauren wanted to

519
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: keep me. But this the year that I was on

520
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: SNL is the first year that mad TV came on

521
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: the air, and then Howard Stern had a late night

522
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: show so that they had competition in that hour for

523
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: the first time, and so West Coast had a little

524
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: bit more leverage on Lauren. Of course, there's a different

525
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: politics that's going on there, and so they said, we

526
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: want changes, but Lauren wanted to keep me, and an

527
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: effort to keep me, he said, maybe you can become

528
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: a regular player on Conan show, which they didn't have

529
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: that position. So I remember going to someone's birthday party

530
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: and h Conan was there, and I think Lauren had

531
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: mentioned to Conan, you know, why don't you make Kettner

532
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: a regular player on your show? And ConA was just

533
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of like, He's like, I love you, but to

534
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: be honest, that doesn't exist here, and we don't have

535
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: the money. This is pretty early in their show, like

536
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: they didn't have a budget for because every dollars accounted for.

537
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: So if if you had more money for talent, it

538
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: would be you'd get another writer. And so they weren't

539
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: hiring me as a writer. Uh, it would have been

540
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: a great education for me to be a writer, because

541
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure it would have had plenty of ideas and

542
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I sure I probably could have made it work. But

543
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the the idea of hiring an actor is to come

544
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: on and be on the show, and he kind of

545
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: let me down generally like that doesn't exist you and

546
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't really want to do that either,

547
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to stay in the same building.

548
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: Was like, hey, you're back in the minor leagues, in

549
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the same building, on the same station at the same time,

550
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: but not on the time you want to be there.

551
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: So it was like, yeah, I wasn't fighting for us that. Yeah,

552
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: it hurt like hell, man, it hurt like hell, But yeah,

553
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: I moved to l A. Then that next year, that September,

554
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: when you know they're going back to work, I packed

555
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: up all my stuff in a U haul and drove

556
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: out to l A. And when did you meet Gruber? Oh?

557
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: Gruber the first time I met him. He guest wrote

558
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: on the show for two weeks in January of nineties six,

559
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: and I had put Gerald. I got a sketch of

560
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: Gerald Tibbins on the air, and he always liked that character.

561
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: And Dave Dave's from uh He had spent a lot

562
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: of time in Iowa. So he's from Midwest, and so

563
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: am I. Dave Gruber Allen is a legendary comedy figure,

564
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and he and I eventually did this show called The

565
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: Naked Trucker and T Bones, and so he and I

566
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: both got cast in this movie called Dill Scallion, directed

567
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: by Jordan Brady who has now become a huge commercial director.

568
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: And so I got cast in that and groupers in

569
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: the show too. And he was doing a late night

570
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: show at Largo. The old Largo was a smaller club.

571
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: Now it's his big theater in in l A, or

572
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: mid midsize theater in l A where they do a

573
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: lot of comedy. And he said, Hey, I'm doing the

574
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: show called The Naked Truckers. Shows you come by and

575
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: do a guest spot as your t Bones character. So

576
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: after we've wrapped the film, I came by and I

577
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: did I think ten minutes of his show, and he

578
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: did like forty minutes, and then he invited me back

579
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: the next week, and I think I did fifteen minutes,

580
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: and then the same thing the next week, and then

581
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I said, hey, why didn't I just stay up for

582
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the whole show because it was working and he and

583
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I were just improvising that this it was a really

584
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: weird thing. So the Naked Trucker sings songs about being

585
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: on the road and they're just really absurd comedy songs,

586
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: and he would tell stories and then here I come

587
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: with this character that's a ne'er do weel Carney slash

588
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: hobo who can quote Chaucer and no him Chomsky. So

589
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: he's kind of like an intellectual Carny. And so the

590
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: chemistry was just perfect and the partnership was just incredible,

591
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: and so he and I together was just magic, and

592
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: we did that show for seven years in l A

593
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: and I I'd say, to this day it is probably

594
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: one of my my fondest memories of performing ever, because man,

595
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: it was just fantastic and the greatest compliment I had

596
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: ever heard in doing that show so live. Then we

597
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: became a headliner there twice a month. But the greatest

598
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: compliment I ever got was from some writers, because a

599
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: lot of Hollywood writers would come to the show, like

600
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: every Hollywood person came to the show, and some Hollywood

601
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: writers had said, um, we come to this show for

602
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: inspiration to realize that great comedy can still be done

603
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: in this town. I was like, wow, I didn't you know.

604
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: I've never been a guy that's big on seeking advantage

605
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: or trying to not really understanding how to leverage what

606
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: I have into something bigger. I just always assumed something

607
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: bigger and the right thing is going to come along.

608
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. You've really got to be

609
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: very specific and determined about exactly what you want to

610
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: turn this thing into. And um, it turned into a

611
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: very compromised show on Comedy Central in one season, and

612
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: it's there and I haven't looked at it in years.

613
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great stuff we had, but it's

614
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: really confusing because the success Comedy Central had in comedy

615
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: shows was Chappelle and Mencia, and that the format for

616
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: that was the comic comes out and talks and then

617
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: throws to a sketch. We weren't a sketch duo, and

618
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: so the format they forced us into was counterintuitive to

619
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: what we should have been doing. But I didn't have

620
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the right people around me to be able to force

621
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: Comedy Central's hand and say no, no no, we're gonna do

622
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: the show that we want to do, and so I

623
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: just went along with it, and you know, it was great,

624
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: we had our own show. I've got to dig through

625
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: all the tapes and start putting that stuff online and

626
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: see what it was. Maybe it was one of those

627
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: things like probably a little bit ahead of his time,

628
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: and I don't say that ego wise. It was just

629
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of confusing for people. And they promoted it. I said,

630
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: don't you ever promote this is blue collar comedy, because

631
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: it's not. That's not the crowd for this. I said,

632
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: we're more of a daily show crowd. Um. And so

633
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: they came up and started calling it roadhouse comedy, like

634
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: what we didn't call it. We call a comedy, but

635
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, like what the fuck is roadhouse comedy? Like

636
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, they would say it's smart dumb, Like,

637
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: don't fucking ever say dumb when you're referring to my

638
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: comedy because it tells me that you don't get it

639
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: at all anyway. Is that network? You're still in there?

640
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: And I mean that in all seriousness, good god whatever.

641
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I think that's shitty because that's ego based. But they

642
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes, and my mistake was letting

643
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: them do it right. What what would you consider yourself?

644
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Are you? And I brought this up earlier, are you

645
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: a stand up are you? Are you an improviser? Are

646
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: you an actor? I know you're all you do all

647
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: of those things. How do you view yourself? And it

648
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, it's just curious. But from between you

649
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: and me is like we we do delineate between those

650
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: types of things. But you said a performer, and I

651
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: think that's probably the closest thing that's a catch all

652
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: for what I am. I love performing, whether it's with

653
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: just two people or a thousand, So there's a performance.

654
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: So I guess the other part would be I'm an entertainer.

655
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: So I didn't do stand up until I had my

656
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: fifth child because at that point it's like I can

657
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: never have a down month, Like I can't rely on

658
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: anybody else to bring income, and if you're a stand up,

659
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: you do have some independence, like you can just go

660
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: out and get it. That's the best part. And the

661
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: other thing is at this point in my career, I

662
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: could start as a headliner, which is a bit of

663
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: a cheap because you know, in the stand up world

664
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: you pay your dues, but I had paid my dues

665
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: on other stages, and I've never stopped performing live, So

666
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: I've always performed live in Chicago, always performed in l

667
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: A all the time. So I would do the theake

668
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: a Trucker show or else. I would do sketch character

669
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: pieces on stand up shows because there's a variety of

670
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: entertainment being done, all kinds of alternative rooms, so it's

671
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: always a place to go perform live. So when I

672
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: started doing stand up was kind of like me doing

673
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: a one man show because I would do character pieces.

674
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: In fact, for hour, I had like I had Brian,

675
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: I had changes on stage in comedy clubs, and I

676
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: think people are wanting, like, what the fuck is going

677
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: on here? Um because it's not it's not the natural

678
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: rhythm that they're used to, like bought it up, bout

679
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: it up, Bob, and there's this guy let this added

680
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: to the entire show by anyway. So that was very interesting.

681
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: But at the same time, to me, I'm like, I'm

682
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: doing an hour of entertainment. You call it stand up,

683
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: call it whatever you want. The stand up aspect is

684
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: one person in front of a microphone standing up there.

685
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: That's it. So you can't tell me, oh, I'm not

686
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: doing it the way you do it. Like I'm gonna

687
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: do it the way I do it, and I'm getting

688
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: the same result. That audience full of people is laughing.

689
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: So I think I think what you said performers correct,

690
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: because there's performance when you're acting, and there's performance we

691
00:36:47,400 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: are doing stand up or your sketch or whatever. So, yeah,

692
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: when did you meet Greg Daniels. I met Greg Daniels

693
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: the first time when I was writing a pilot with

694
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: a writer from King of the Hill, John Callier, Jesus

695
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: christ Kicker, John Collier, amazing man, amazing writer. So we

696
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: wrote a pilot for the for the Gerald character, this

697
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: is before the Naked Trucker, and it was really good,

698
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: but they didn't understand it at all. They liked it,

699
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: but it never went to pilots. So we wrote the

700
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: script and so Greg would come around then say I

701
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: was a friend of Norm his cock from Saray Live.

702
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: He was a writer on Saraday Live Canadian right who's

703
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: head writer for Kids in the Hall? And so I

704
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: wanted Norm to do it, but Norm was too busy

705
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: because he was righting the King of the Hill and

706
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: doing something else. And then John and I wrote the pilot.

707
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: He was He was fantastic. But anyway, that's when I

708
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: met Greg for the first time, and Norm and I

709
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: were friends. And then Norm and I wrote a bunch

710
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: of stuff together, were several scripts for two movie scripts

711
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: for Gerald. They got close and then didn't get made.

712
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: And then Norm was one of the head writers for

713
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: the Naked Trigger and TBone show on Comedy Central. So,

714
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: but that's how I met Greg. Yeah. Yeah, So the

715
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: story goes, you're shooting snakes on a plane in Canada,

716
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: in Canada, and you you get a call about coming

717
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: on and appearing on this television show, The Office. I had.

718
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I had auditioned. You had auditioned for Michael Scott. But

719
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of the British Office. And

720
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: as you remember, the pilot episode for the American Office

721
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: borrowed heavily from the pilot episode of the British Office,

722
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get Ricky's your Vay's rhythms out of

723
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: my head. I couldn't audition because I was like, well,

724
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: here's how he says it. How else would anyone say it?

725
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: Because the way he does it's perfect. So I couldn't.

726
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: I auditioned, but it was neither here nor there because

727
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have a take other than what he did.

728
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because you know, Steve didn't know Ricky

729
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Gervais's version of the office, so when he went in

730
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: he didn't have that reference. That's fascinating. So you had

731
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: met Greg then auditioning for Michael, and then they called

732
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: you about Packer. Is that what happened? Yes, As like

733
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: you said, as the story goes, you'd had a wonderful

734
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: actor who was quite capable, but I think he was

735
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: struggling with it for whatever reason and it just wasn't working.

736
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: And I think they all agreed like, oh, this doesn't

737
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: this isn't quite there. So the new guys went on

738
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: to shoot the next episode. I think it might have

739
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: been episode four, and I think this was episode three

740
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: when Packer comes and so Steve they were I guess

741
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: still auditioning, and Steve apparently had said to Greg Daniels,

742
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: how about Keckner for Packer? And I'm sure Greg was thinking, yeah,

743
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: he's awful um as a human being, let's bring him

744
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: as But no. So with that, you know, I had

745
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: had a pretty good career going. We'd already done Anchorman,

746
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: so you know, you've got the confidence and you know yourself.

747
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: You know Packer. To me it was like, oh my lord,

748
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: you come in and say these awful things to people

749
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: and get away with it. Fun. Plus it's my buddy Steve,

750
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: all right, you know, there's no pressure. Really, I'm just

751
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna come in and do it. Okay. Now, had I

752
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: had to audition for it, it would have been different

753
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: because then you're trying rather than like like I said

754
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: before on S and L, I just went and did

755
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: what I do and it worked and you get the job.

756
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: You just go do what you do. When you're audition

757
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: for it, you're doing what in your there's part of

758
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: your mind that goes, I'm I'm doing what I hope

759
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: they want. Doesn't help it. It is so smart. That

760
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: is just so smart because you're right, of course, no

761
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: matter what you're auditioning for and you know what, what

762
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: did they tell you all the time? Right, make it

763
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: your own, just do your version of it. But no,

764
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: there's always still a place in the back of your

765
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: mind that's going like, oh, well, they must want this

766
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: version of me or that or that. It's that is

767
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: so free, that's so true. I've never told this before,

768
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: but I I borrowed from you and Robin Williams, actually

769
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: the two of you who I started working with. I

770
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: did a few projects with him right around the same time,

771
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit after. And I'll tell you. I

772
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: mean to say like Dave was packer all the time

773
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: on set, that's an inaccurate statement. But what I mean

774
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: is is that you were so free and fun and

775
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: brought just an amazing energy to the set every single

776
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: time you were there. And now, whether it was because

777
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: of your confidence or your relationship with Steve and you

778
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: had known Greg and you were like, well, they're not

779
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: gonna fire me, or whatever it was, but you know,

780
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: but I just mean, you just came in and it

781
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: was immediately like, we're not doing brain surgery here, guys.

782
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: We're making comedy television and let's make it fun and

783
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: keep the atmosphere light. And I always respected you for that,

784
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: And Robin was the same way on set, just like

785
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: we're not going to take this too seriously, and um yeah,

786
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: I just I always I always respected you for that

787
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: and feel like I learned from you about that. I've

788
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: taken to other projects to be like, let's let's keep

789
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: this loose, let's keep this light, because ultimately that energy

790
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: is just way more helpful to creating comedy television. Right. Yeah.

791
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: There's a great improv teacher and he runs the Annoyance

792
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Theater in Chicago, and he's one of my peers in Chicago.

793
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: Guy named McK napier, and he's legendary at this point though.

794
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: But he had written a one man show at the

795
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: Annoyance for himself and it was called sex Boy because

796
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: Mick was going through his life and transition of whatever

797
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: he felt his actuality was, so that was part of it.

798
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: He grew up in a small town in Indiana, and

799
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think he may have been buy or whatever,

800
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: but just figuring that whole thing out and putting it

801
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: out on stage. But he had a preamble in his

802
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: program and he said, and I don't know if he

803
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: borrowed it from somewhere else. But he said, it's called

804
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: a play. It's not called a bore or a trial

805
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: or a suffering. It's called a play. So let us

806
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: do that. And I always thought, yes, it's called a play.

807
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: It's called a teleplay, it's called a screenplay. But the

808
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: operative word is to play. And our job is to

809
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: go out and play. And for me, if I'm the

810
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: best day ever is when you've got a job in

811
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: show business. So for me, I'm gonna pay witness to that.

812
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: Today we get to do the thing we wanted to

813
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: do when thousands and thousands and thousands of people who

814
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: want to do what we get to do don't get

815
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: to do it. So let's play and celebrate it. That's

816
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: my attitude, like, let's go have some fun. Yeah, uh,

817
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Did you feel because again they said come

818
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: and do what you do, that you felt the freedom

819
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: to just do what you do. There was no judgment,

820
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: there was no restraint. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't

821
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: put any guardrails or parameters and what I was gonna

822
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: do and you never did. Yes, And plus the other thing,

823
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: I knew the characters based on Finchy from the original

824
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Office and Finchy was fucking crazy and awful. He's not

825
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: as bad as Finchy. Who remember Finchy takes one of

826
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: the girls from the office and he has sex with

827
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: her in the alleyway and the look on his face

828
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: is just priceless. Yeah, although you did, you know, poop

829
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: in Michael's office and serve laced cupcakes, which actually I

830
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: thank you for that because that was one of my

831
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: most favorite I mean, people talk about the chili or

832
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: that this or that that, but one of my most

833
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: favorite physical comedy scenes that I was able to do

834
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: was like the flashback scene with Andy slash ed Helms

835
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: and I after we got dosed up on your cupcakes

836
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite. But I feel like your role is

837
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: a real manifestation of what ended up being a central

838
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: part of the show, which was Michael's journey right from

839
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean clearly a friend of yours from early on,

840
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: or at least wanted to seem cool, to be a

841
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: friend of yours, to ultimately sort of, you know, shedding

842
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: the shackles of you and being able to sort of

843
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: evolve as a human being exactly. It's the representation of

844
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: stunted adolescence. Right there are men that never grow. And

845
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: then then they don't when you don't care to grow,

846
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: when you won't take a signal, or there's no desire

847
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: to be a better human, or if there's someone suggests

848
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: that you don't hear it, and in fact you try

849
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: to defeat it, you would challenge it. And you know,

850
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: it's just that absolute stubbornness that I'm fine, but it's

851
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: also pain, right, I am resolute in my pain, and

852
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: I won't look at it. I will only drown it.

853
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: I'll drown it with alcohol, I'll drown it with my noise.

854
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: I'll drown it with my terrible behavior. And and then

855
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: you find out you're given license. When you're that horrible,

856
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: no one dares to challenge you because they don't want

857
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: to be bear the brunt of whatever you're gonna bring.

858
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: They're just like, this is a storm that's coming in

859
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: because Packer is not there all the time. It's a storm.

860
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I'll weather the storm, battened down the hashes, and wait

861
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: for it to go away. So that's what happens, right,

862
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: And he's an emotional hand grenade, and he's a terrible storm.

863
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: I've never thought of that before, but that's exactly what happens.

864
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: He's a storm coming through and it was like, just

865
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: let it go. Let it go, because he's got this

866
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Ally and Michael until there are strong women that come

867
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: into his life and say no, no, that's not okay,

868
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Now. I have you ever run across anyone

869
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: at this point, Brian, And you know this phenomenon as

870
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: well as I do, and it's something I can't quite

871
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: wrap my head around. The phenomenon that is The Office

872
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: is unlike any television show, I would say in the

873
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: history of television. It's beyond compare. I've never been part

874
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: of something this incredible. I'm imagining the people from The

875
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Sopranos and Game of Thrones have the same thing. But

876
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: the difference is because it's The Office and it's a

877
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: comedy and it brings something else to everybody's life. It's

878
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: so important to people's lives and their devotion to it.

879
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: It changes people's lives and it's it's it's a real

880
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: deep part of their lives. And you've heard people say

881
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: it got me through cancer, or it got me through

882
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: this breakup, or it got us together, and it's unlike

883
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: anything else. Have you ever heard anyone who has written

884
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: a dissertation or their college thesis on the office. Oh yeah,

885
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: well there's first college classes now that are to the show. Well,

886
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I think I think the thing that is, and you know,

887
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: it's part of what I've been explored worrying over the

888
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: last couple of years, which I think, as you say,

889
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: it makes it wholly unique from even the shows that

890
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned, which was that seven eight years after we

891
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: filmed anything, it was bigger than it was when we

892
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: were on, Like, it continues to expand and grow. Do

893
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: you have an idea of why that is? Here's the

894
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: way I look at it, and what I look at

895
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: is why it appeals to a twelve year old all

896
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: the way to a fifty year old and beyond the

897
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: way I look at it is when they come to

898
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: it at twelve, they're exploring what they think is adult

899
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: humor for the first time, and they get it and

900
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: they understand it because it's so sharply written, like, oh,

901
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: jokes can be subtle and smart and big and broad

902
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: and done at the same time. So they're starting to

903
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: see the tapestry of humor. And then in high school

904
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you get that shared communion of

905
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: you get the joke the way I get the joke. Yes,

906
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: it's a show. There's hip humor in it too. There's

907
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: the obvious stuff, but then there's a settle stuff. So

908
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: that's another thing. Then in college, I believe it gives

909
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: you that that security blanket of well, I'm gonna have

910
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: to go out in the world and work, but it's

911
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: not so scary because those buffoons on the office seem

912
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: to make it work and so it can't be that

913
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: scarier place. And then when you get into the workplace,

914
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: you go, oh, that's right, Well, at least it's not.

915
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: Our place is better than that place. But there are

916
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: some people at the work of this place that I

917
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: like that place, And as you're gone, then you embrace

918
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: like where the office. So that's why I think there's

919
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: this thread that runs through all of those things. But

920
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: the deep psychological impact, I haven't broken that down, but

921
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: that's the only threat. I feel like I kind of

922
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: have a beat on why it's got that appeal from

923
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: twelve to ninety. But the psychological and the psychological thing

924
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: I probably breaks down to a bunch of different categories.

925
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: And you know what Comedia dell are taint is and

926
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: for the for your listeners. I don't know if you

927
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: talked about it. Comedia dell arte is it's an Italian

928
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: art form and they based their characters there. They had

929
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: eleven archetypes based on these representations of what humans were,

930
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: from low class to high class, but all of them

931
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: were lampooned. And so I know, we don't have time

932
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: to break it down, but if you look at the office,

933
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: they are all represented by one of the comedy archetypes

934
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 1: from Comedia del arte as our most sitcoms, and we're

935
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: really just making fun of ourselves. And what we do

936
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: is we see ourselves represented on the screen in those characters,

937
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: and it gives us comfort and worth and the ability

938
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: to go on because I belong. I'm part of something

939
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: larger than me, and I'm represented here and that's me

940
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: and that person as someone else I love and you know,

941
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: enjoy or that person is a caution and everyone recognizes

942
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: that that's the worst person. We all agree on that

943
00:50:54,239 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: is terrible. Right now. I think you're exactly you know.

944
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, people talk about, you know, Michael Scott, the

945
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: character of Michael Scott, and he says inappropriate things and

946
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: he says misguided things. But I think that throughout the show,

947
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: you really get to know these people, and as mean

948
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: as he is or misguided as he is at times,

949
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: he has a tremendous amount of heart. And all of

950
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: the characters have a tremendous amount of heart, which I

951
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: think brings comfort. I don't know, but that's I think.

952
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. Every all the regular players

953
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: on the show, you know, we identify was struggle, and

954
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: so everyone's struggling, but they all succeed and they get through.

955
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: And the best way to get through is to have

956
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: heart and to identify with what kindness is and make

957
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: the better choice. And it might take someone several times

958
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: to make the better choice, but you're rooting for them, like,

959
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: don't do that make the right choice please this time?

960
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: But you know you have to not make that right

961
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: choice a long time because it's comedy. Right, you were

962
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: on SNL. We haven't even talked about, but obviously you know,

963
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: huge classic now all time comedy movies. Anchorman, champ Kind.

964
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: What is the role now that you have done throughout

965
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: your career that you would say that you are are

966
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: most recognized for. Oh, well, it's Todd Packer, hands down,

967
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: and then Champ Kind second, it was a puzzle to

968
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: me because after three years of being on just two

969
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: episodes this season of the Office, when you'd see your

970
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: name in print David Kicker from the Office and Anchorman

971
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: like wait no, it's Anchorman. Then the Office, I'm I'm

972
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: not on the Office. I'm barely on the Office. But

973
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: I think the thing about Packer is he was referenced

974
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: a lot in the show, even when he's not there,

975
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: or I think people would feel there's like, oh shit,

976
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: something's going on, things are bad. Is Packer coming. I

977
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: think there's a pervasive feeling like it any is a

978
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: storm on its way. Can we avoid the storm? Or

979
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: just an episode where Packer is gonna show up and

980
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: it's always this loathsome feel like, oh, I don't want

981
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't want the ghosts, the horrible ghost visit tonight. Yes, well,

982
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: if Packers coming, there's no way to avoid them. Let's

983
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: just be clear about that. There. You might batten down

984
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: the hatches, but you can't. You can't protect yourself. Yes,

985
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: things are gonna be overturned. I do want to mention obviously,

986
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: you are still incredibly busy and successful, and I know

987
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: right now you're on tour and by the way, I

988
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: do have to say that. I do have to tell

989
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: you this. People ask me now all the time, you know,

990
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: I say, oh, I'm going to this college or I'm

991
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: going here there, and they're like, oh, you know, stand

992
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: up and I for me, you you mentioned sort of

993
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: this before. I can't even call myself a stand up

994
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's cheating because I didn't go

995
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: through that before. It's cheating now. But you're doing a

996
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: live show, David Keckner dot com. You can grab tickets there.

997
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: You're going everywhere, right all around the country. Yeah, this

998
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: is the I'm doing more dates this year than I

999
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: ever had before because I'm writing a new show and

1000
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: I will be doing a special before the end of

1001
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah. And you know, it takes a long

1002
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: time to become a stand up, and they say, and

1003
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I've been doing it long enough now that I feel

1004
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: like I can call myself one. Okay, But you know,

1005
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: rather than trying to do what everybody else is doing,

1006
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: I finally like, no, no, David, You've got to embrace

1007
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: the thing that you do and do more of that

1008
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: because there's so many great stand ups that do so

1009
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: many different things. Well like that do what you do well, Dave,

1010
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: don't try and be a little bit of this and

1011
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of that before. I think a lot

1012
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: of my show has been a little bit of this,

1013
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of that, like compared to a lot

1014
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: of different influences that we've all had. But then at

1015
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: some point you're gonna, well, what's your thing do You're

1016
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: just an hour of just your thing the way you

1017
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: want to do it, and they'll come good for you

1018
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: to see that. There are moments sometimes in shows if

1019
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing a character piece or someone who's used to

1020
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: the rhythm of the stand up going from this joke

1021
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: to another. Now I'm in a character like what and

1022
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: you know the thing that I have and you have too,

1023
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: is like you've got to say the stuff from the

1024
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: office and anchorman because that's what got me here. So

1025
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: I do have to do that in my show, and

1026
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I recognize that. So once that's done, like, okay, guys,

1027
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: we're done with that. Now comes my turn. I struggle

1028
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: with whether to make them wait for it or just

1029
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: getting off off the bat soon. I don't know. I'm

1030
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: the same way. I don't there's not an answer. Okay,

1031
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's up to you. I think what

1032
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: I've done, I've done both. I've done where I do

1033
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: it right away, and I've done where I do it

1034
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: halfway through. And I sometimes will do it when they

1035
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: yell right. You know, after fifteen minutes, someone will yell whammy,

1036
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: and I know they can't even pay attention to my

1037
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: show until they hear whammy. It's almost like, Okay, I'll

1038
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: give you a whammy. It's almost like a kid, all right,

1039
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna get one cookie and then we're gonna you know,

1040
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: then we're going home or whatever. They we're gonna settle

1041
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: in and watch the movie. Yes, you get popcorn and

1042
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: soda pop. Then you've gotta be quiet for the whole movie.

1043
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: But there is that because there's people who just can't

1044
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: stand it. When's he gonna say whammy? What's he gonna say?

1045
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: What's up? My nerds? I can't hear you say what's up?

1046
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: My nerds? I get it you and I can't run

1047
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: from this. It's it's what got them in the seats

1048
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: in the first place. That's right, That is true. Can't

1049
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: leave you without talking about the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe

1050
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: the greatest game in the history of the NFL, the

1051
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills losing somehow with thirteen seconds left on the

1052
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: clock and Kansas City coming through. What your experience watching

1053
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: the last plus seconds of that game, Well, I'd be

1054
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: a liar if I didn't say I had availed myself

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Speaker 1: to the idea that it's okay, okay, it's okay. I

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Speaker 1: knew we were playing the best other team in my

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Speaker 1: estimation in the game this year. I knew that the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills would be our toughest opponent of the year.

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Speaker 1: We've got so many weapons, You've got so much hope,

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Speaker 1: and we've got Mahomes and all of them. You don't

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Speaker 1: just say we've got Mahomes. We've got Mahomes and Kelsey

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Speaker 1: and Hill and Pringle and everybody you know, and Williams

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Speaker 1: and Edwards, Hilaire uh in that front line. We've got everything.

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Speaker 1: But there is something about the magic of these two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Alan and Mahomes, and they both kept doing it, and

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's only about the time, because they

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00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: would have come back and scored, yeah, back and forth

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Speaker 1: all night. Yeah, we just happened to have the ball.

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Speaker 1: Alan played an absolutely perfect game and lost and lost.

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Speaker 1: Um so I was willing. I was willing to accept defeat.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't defeated. I was willing to go, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: we put it all out there too, and I can't

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Speaker 1: believe they came back after what we just did. And

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Speaker 1: there there's never because there's always talking about time management

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Speaker 1: and football. You left him too much time. You're like,

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Speaker 1: you're like, what, you left him too much time? There's

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Speaker 1: thirteen seconds? Yeah, then you know you can't second guess

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Speaker 1: their coach. Right, let's put him deep on. Everyone could

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Speaker 1: say you should have swibbed it, you should have kicked

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Speaker 1: an on side kicked you shaid we should have, should have,

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Speaker 1: should have and how are you gonna go you know,

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Speaker 1: seventy yards that's not going to happen. Well, yeah, well

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00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: the special team it does and it's okay, and you've

1084
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: got to be part of a special game. And I

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00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: felt too, was like, god, do we start saying this

1086
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: is the greatest game. I was at the Colosseum when

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00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Rams scored a hundred and nine

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00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: points and kept going back and forth. That was an

1089
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: amazing game. We lost that one, but the lesson was

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00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: we were right there. We could do it. We scored

1091
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: forty summer fifty points, right, like, we can do it.

1092
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, it to be part of a great game

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00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: is something else. Yeah, it was amazing. If you are

1094
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: playing in the super Bowl, good luck, and if you're not, well,

1095
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: you won. I think the greatest game in the NFL history,

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00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: the best game I've ever seen. Yeah, I don't see

1097
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: how we're not there. I'm pretty confident. But you know,

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00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: one game one day to time, and I know you

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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: and Aaron are close and that it is tough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was not as fun. I'll be honest. I was hoping.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping it was going to be uh, the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Packers. I thought it was going to be.

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Speaker 1: I did too. I thought I was pretty sure that's

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Speaker 1: that's and I thought that's going to be an incredible

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Speaker 1: game because we didn't play the Packers. We played the

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Speaker 1: Packers without Aaron Rodgers. Earlier in the season. We didn't

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Speaker 1: beat the Packers. We beat the Packers without Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: That's not the Packers, right. Yeah, Well, good luck, enjoy

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Speaker 1: enjoy it, and Dave, thank you so much for coming on. Pleasure,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you so much and sharing well, you're inside about

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Speaker 1: the Office, but also I think some amazing words for

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Speaker 1: for anyone who not only has a dream of being

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Speaker 1: an entertainer or in this business, but but really any business.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, my friend. I appreciate you as well,

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Speaker 1: doubl b. Great to spend time with you. Thank God

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Speaker 1: for technology so we can hang out and know it all.

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Speaker 1: My brother, best your family, have a great day. That

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Speaker 1: was amazing, David, Thank you so much for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: Funny I expected Deep I did not, but hey, I

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Speaker 1: loved it. All of you out there listening, that was great, right,

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. Off the Beat is going

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Speaker 1: to be freaking awesome. I'm so excited. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: back next week here with the man who brought the

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Speaker 1: Office to the States once again, Ben Silverman. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a bitter sweet episode. But I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: go off the beat with all of you. I'll see

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Speaker 1: you that the Office. Deep Dive is hosted and executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langlee.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our theme

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Speaker 1: song Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great friend Creed Bratton,

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Speaker 1: and the episode was mixed by seth Olandsky.