1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Just walk through the lobby. I'll give you five grand. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: It's one more thing. I'm strong and getty, one more thing. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: We're recording this on the day that Hulk Hogan died. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: It's been a difficult day for all of us. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Anyway, they were just they just did a thing on 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: Fox where they're showing up fans beginning to show up 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: at Hulk Hogan's home in Florida to place flowers or 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: wreaths or who knows what they're doing. Holy cow, that's 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: a house. You sure that's a house. I think you've 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: accidentally got a luxury hotel nearby. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Wow. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: So apparently things worked out for him pretty well financially. 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, a bit of a checkered life. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: But anyway, here's a joke we did not play on 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: the air. On the radio show from Greg Guttfeld last night, and. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 3: That now infamous interview making the rounds, Hunter Biden said 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: that illegal immigrants do all the jobs that nobody wants to, 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: for example, harvesting, processing, and selling him cocie. Hunter also 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: said he thinks of Kamala Harris as family, promising that 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: if she ever passed away, he would immediately bang Doug. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: But he also says that he loves Kamala like his 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: own daughter, which of course is a stretch because he's 23 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: met Kamala. 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, which is pretty good. That's a pretty good one. 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good dig right there. 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Well, that's a super good dig right there. That was 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: that left to Mark Ouch. Can I get some ice? 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: So to my introduction, just walk through the lobby. I'll 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: give you five grand I had the experience earlier in 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: the week of in doing my hours long preparation for 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: the show, deciding two things are so screwed up they 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: will never heal, and that would be number one. Our 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: immigration system. I was reading about proposed legislation from a 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: Republican and it's got terrible problems and is already getting 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: cannon fire from both sides, and I thought, you know what, 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: we're never solving. This second thing that will never be 37 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: straightened out as long as we all shall live. Hulk 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Hogan excluded is college sports. It is un you know, 39 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: redeemably screwed up. 40 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: Here's why I would agree, which is interesting given how 41 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: much money is involved. You'd have thought they'd have tried 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: so hard to hang on to what it was some 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: of you didn't have any choice because laws changed and 44 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: lawsuits were filed. 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and some of those lawsuits ended in a 46 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: way that you have to say, yeah, that's more just 47 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: than the way it was. 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: Right. There's all kinds of obvious example, like the the 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: idea that well, first of all, everybody having to stay 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: in college for four years before they would go in 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: the pros is just kind of the way it was. 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: Why I can, I can. I've got the talents as 53 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 2: a twenty year old to go make fifty million dollars 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: a year. I think I'll go do that. 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: It was literally one of those I thought this was America. Yeah, 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, you make a good point, son. Anyway. Uh So, 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of friends who are crazy into 58 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: college sports, and they really had a good grip on 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: the nil the name, image and likeness thing and how 60 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: big that was and weird and screwed up, and I 61 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: never quite followed it, but now I mostly get it. 62 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: That was the biggest travesty of on all And they 63 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: had some of the biggest stars on planet Earth who 64 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: couldn't make a cent from being a big star the 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: whole time they're in college. 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were toasts. They were the toast of America's 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: sports fans, right, and they couldn't so much as smile 68 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: on camera for the local Ford dealer anyway. But here 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: here's why I say it's it's super screwed, and there's 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: a big there are court cases and all there's going 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: to be serious wrastling over this. It's all about the boosters, 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: the deep pocketed alums who for years would like help 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: pay for facility upgrades or hefty coach salaries. A lot 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: of it is paid by boosters. Well, when the NCAAA 75 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: started letting athletes capitalize on their name, image or likeness, 76 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: these boosters formed collectives that would raise funds from fans, 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: and it amounts from twenty five dollars to a million 78 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: dollars depending I'm a crazy ass rich guy. I went 79 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: to Illinois. But all right, so maybe I'm just a 80 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: freak for Illinois sports and I got crazy money. I 81 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: donate a million dollars to the Booster club, all right. 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: Number one, I'm going to be treated like a god 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: around there, and for some guys that's that's important anyway. 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: And then the boosters steer the money to athletes in 85 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: exchange for promotion or charity work. Quote unquote, that's where 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: the fight is raging whether booster collectives can still do that. 87 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: And there's a massive amount of money at stake these collectives. 88 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: These booster collectives made up more than eighty percent of 89 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: the estimated one point seven billion dollars in the college 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: nil market in twenty twenty four to twenty five, this 91 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: and the upcoming seasons. So there's going on two billion 92 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: dollars at stake in eighty percent of it is these 93 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: booster clubs. So if the court case goes the wrong way, 94 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: if the new NC DOUBLEA rules hold up, that's barring 95 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: boosters from doing this, one point four billion dollars could 96 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: vanish for the athletes. And then it gets into if 97 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: the boosters play ball and stuff like that. But what 98 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: it comes down to is the NC DOUBLEA rules say 99 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: it's got to be a legitimate exchange for use of 100 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: their name, image, likeness. You can't pay somebody five grand 101 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: to walk through your lobby. That's not a legitimate business exchange. 102 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Telling a wealth Oh here's one guy who's in favor 103 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: of it, who says, telling a wealthy person who owns 104 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: a business that they can't pay a student athlete twenty 105 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: five grand for advertising because some third party tells him 106 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: he's overpaying, and the student athlete it's only worth ten 107 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, not twenty five thousand dollars. You know, that 108 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: just doesn't feel appropriate to me personally. That's from a 109 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: guy who's in the thick of it. 110 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: Wow. 111 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: So at odds in the fight are the college's new 112 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: policing arm on one side, and lawyers representing athletes and 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: recently settled anti trust lawsuit against the NCUBA on the 114 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: other side. They're the nc DOUBLEA. The College Sports Commission, 115 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: which is a new thing, is trying to curb the 116 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: power and influence of the booster collectives, and the commission 117 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: set up a clearinghouse through which any player deal worth 118 00:06:53,640 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: more than six hundred dollars must be approved. And many 119 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: booster collective deals don't satisfy you a quote valid business 120 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: purpose because they don't license the players nil for commercial 121 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: product or service. They're just handing them money. 122 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: When is there anything wrong with that? 123 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: That's a good question. 124 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 125 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, and nothing leaps to mind, honestly. 126 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I get that the NCAA has rules that 127 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: are in the interest of protecting college sports from not 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: going just to bizarrero too, but morally financially, I am 129 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: so intent on you coming to Illinois and becoming the 130 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: quarterback to lift my beloved program out of mediocrity as 131 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: it's been mired in since Jeff George left the Field 132 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: Memorial Stadium Field. Anyway, if I'm so into that, I'm 133 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna kick you up million bucks a year to come 134 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: and play quarterback for us. What's to stop me? 135 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: So you've got some of the stuff that you know, 136 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: it was unfair for so long that these TV networks, universities, 137 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: all kinds of things would make money off these big 138 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: star players and they couldn't get a dime. That was ridiculous. 139 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: So I'm glad that got changed. But some of the 140 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: other stuff with rearrange in the league seems like nobody 141 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: made them do that, did they. That seems like a 142 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: killed the golden goose, got too greedy something or other. 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,119 Speaker 2: Just bad decision making to me, ending all the rivalries 144 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: that made the sport so amazing for so many years. 145 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that ruined a lot of it. Yes, it's awful, 146 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: It's unmitigated awful. 147 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: Like I've kind of checked out. I used to be 148 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: huge into college sports, but I just I don't even 149 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: know who's in what league anymore, who's the rival? And 150 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: then this whole thing that I don't understand at all. 151 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: They go through the whole season and then then that 152 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: little interim between the season and the playoffs for different sports, 153 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: the players can move around and go to different teams. 154 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: What the hell is that? 155 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: So don't I don't even you lost me completely. 156 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, every year the team is completely new through the 157 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: transfer portal, but. 158 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: It's near the same season. They change. They change between 159 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: the regular season and the playoffs. So what are we doing? 160 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: Enjoy it in your league? I hope it works out 161 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: for you. 162 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: So, for instance, before every Tennessee home football game last fall, 163 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: this booster collective paid basketball, softball or baseball players between 164 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars and five thousand dollars each to attend tailgates. 165 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: They organized. Wow, They're there to literally hang out with 166 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: fans and their kids. These are the type of deals 167 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: that hypothetically would be rejected if the negotiation doesn't come out. 168 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: I think those should be allowed. They want to do that, 169 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: let them do it. Unless somebody's got an argument. I 170 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: I haven't thought of why that's untoured. 171 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, says one labor economist who's consulted in these cases. 172 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: It's pretty much anti American. The question comes down to, 173 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: is it reasonable to say it's okay for an athlete 174 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: to get paid a million dollars by his school, but 175 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: it's not okay for a group of community leaders to 176 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: supplement that income. Right. Yeah. 177 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: The other thing that we've mentioned a lot is nobody 178 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: saw this coming, or if they did, they didn't say 179 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: it out loud. The being able to make money that 180 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: a lot of it would have to do with being hot. 181 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 2: Everybody understood that it would be the best running back 182 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: in the country is going to make a lot of money. 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Nobody thought that a gymnast you've never heard of at 184 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: some program that isn't even that well known, but she's 185 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: hotter than everybody else might make the most money of. 186 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: Anybody, right posting cheesecake shots. Yeah, exactly, speaking of women 187 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: in sports. My final note anyway, is they're talking about 188 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Texas Tech Mattador club that was one of the leaders 189 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: in this was founded co founded by a billionaire tech guy, 190 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: and among other of their headline making deals, they landed 191 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: a one million dollars softball pitcher. Wow, I'm in sports. 192 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: I know, I had a U I want to say, 193 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: who I know someone I know who was young, who 194 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: went to a couple of big universities, and she got 195 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: a very prestigious degree from a very prestigious university. But 196 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: one of the universities she was at had a very 197 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: big time sports program, one of the biggest ones in 198 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: the country. And it bothered her so much that the 199 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: coach there made so much money. They paid a coach 200 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: like three million dollars a year in one of these 201 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: big you know. And I tried to explain that it's 202 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: just it's just a it's just a numbers thing that 203 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: coach brings in the more than the amount of money 204 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: they're paying him to the school. She was just appalled 205 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: that had existed, which I completely understand. I don't know 206 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: why we where we haven't given up on this whole 207 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: student athlete. It's part of the college. I mean, why 208 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: are we even pretending at this point? Just why why 209 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: make it a completely don't make them go to school 210 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: at all? 211 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: Have it? 212 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: Is it a completely separate thing or I don't even 213 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: know what would make sense, but pretending it's just it's 214 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: just a part of the extracurricular activities, just to play 215 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: on the basketball team. And I mean, what are we doing? 216 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the threads that connect you know, if I watch 217 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: college football game or basketball game, the threads that connect 218 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: that to the university and traditional college sports are fraying 219 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: and disappearing in a hurry. I see what you're saying. 220 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what it becomes then, but right now 221 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: it's merely an exercise in sub major league tribalism. Correct. 222 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Why would I wrote root for well, you say this 223 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: of major league sports too. Why would I root for 224 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: an ever changing array of dudes wearing the orange and 225 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: blue of Illinois? Why? 226 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: People do? 227 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: Because the way people are made, including me, apparently. 228 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: I can use my my family is kind of a 229 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: test case on college sports on how dead it is 230 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: or is, because there's still is into Kansas basketball as 231 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: they ever were, and all this stuff is occurring. 232 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting and has very little to do with sports. 233 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: So I hope if you're a non sports fan you're 234 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: still listening. Thank you very much. Well, I guess that's it.