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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: you all a little story that you might not know

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Speaker 1: about me.

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Speaker 2: But when I moved.

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Speaker 1: Out of the manufacturing world into kind of the media world,

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Speaker 1: we started working with a company called at that point

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Speaker 1: it was called America's Voice and I was working behind

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Speaker 1: one of the owners of the company said to me,

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Speaker 1: I'd like you to go to Washington and interview people.

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Speaker 1: And I said, that's not really me. I don't I've

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Speaker 1: never done that before. I don't think that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, no, no, no, just just go. We just

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Speaker 1: want you to interview these folks. And they're called angel families.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, what's an angel family? I

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Speaker 1: truly had no idea what that term was. He said,

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Speaker 1: it's someone who has their family has been affected by

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Speaker 1: a legal alien crime and they've lost a loved one.

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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, how do you do this? How

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Speaker 1: do you go and talk to people that have experienced

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Speaker 1: such terrible loss. And it was such a immediate introduction

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Speaker 1: into this world of how important it is to protect

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Speaker 1: how important both borders are is something we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about before we started recording just now. And one

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Speaker 1: of those the people that was that I met through

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Speaker 1: that day is named Kent Terry, and Kent lost his brother,

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Speaker 1: Brian Terry, after he was shot and killed by an

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Speaker 1: a legal immigrant from Mexico. It was following a shootout

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Speaker 1: in Arizona, about fifteen miles from the border, and the

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Speaker 1: weapons used in this murder were linked to the Obama

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Speaker 1: Administration's Fast and Furious gun smuggling scandal. And there's just

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Speaker 1: been a recent development, a very sad development in this case.

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Speaker 1: So I want to introduce Kent can Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming onto the podcast today. Thank you and

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Speaker 1: honestly thank you for being willing to share your story

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Speaker 1: because I think your story, like I said, it was

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Speaker 1: the It was like my initiation into talking to people

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Speaker 1: in a political way, in a way that like a while,

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Speaker 1: these policies really affect people so deeply. They shatter people.

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Speaker 1: They you know, if you make the wrong decision, you

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Speaker 1: shatter a family. And you're so willing to share what

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Speaker 1: that was like and what it has been like. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's so important that people who have experienced

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Speaker 1: So I want to first of all, thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being willing to talk again. But I'm sad

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Speaker 1: that we're talking because the man who killed your brother

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Speaker 1: has now been let off. How can this even be?

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Speaker 3: My whole family scratch our head about this, and we

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Speaker 3: just can't believe. Actually we didn't even hear from like

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Speaker 3: the DA's prosecute attorneys that tried the case. We heard

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Speaker 3: it through like media or friends. Wow, that found out,

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Speaker 3: So they didn't even have that the respect to call

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Speaker 3: We were hurt because this is a wound that's been

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Speaker 3: going on. It'll be fourteen years in December that that

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Speaker 3: it just wasn't It won't close. And we want to

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Speaker 3: get justice, but just not in the killers justice, but

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Speaker 1: And let's explain that because I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: people have known. So many people have no idea that

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Speaker 1: this happened. This was an Obama administration program where they

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Speaker 1: thought they could give criminal organizations weapons and track them.

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Speaker 2: Is that I mean that seems crazy.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it is crazy because they were releasing guns

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Speaker 2: Border weapons that are legal to buy.

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Speaker 3: Weapons are legal to buy it. But like I said,

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Speaker 3: the point is they're letting known felons do it to take.

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Speaker 1: Back to How did they expect to track these I

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, But there was no they weren't being tracks.

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Speaker 3: I've talked to numerous ATF that are are are disgusted

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Speaker 1: And this was right before Christmas time, right, this was

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Speaker 3: Was finishing up that shift, and that next day he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that was so explain that night they

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Speaker 2: How did this go down?

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Speaker 3: He'd belonged an elite group called Bortec, which is like

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Speaker 1: And so so he was shot in the back and

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 3: No, No, he died right there in the scene. And so.

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Speaker 1: And so he here is this young man and such

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Speaker 1: and this is an Obama weapon. I mean, essentially Obama

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Speaker 2: He has people.

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Speaker 1: Let's just lay this out, because you have people who

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Speaker 2: And yet you give them more weapons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, it wasn't It wasn't a couple hundred,

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Speaker 3: you know what, and there's still reeking. They're still being

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Speaker 1: So what is the what kind of investigation has been

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Speaker 3: Well, see, that's that's the thing too. Then the investigation

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Speaker 3: in the past praiers as you know through the hearings.

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Speaker 3: for the American people to say, hey, we're going to

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Speaker 3: People got slapped on the hand, that's about it. People

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Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing that the party who is

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Speaker 1: AK forty seven is not legal. That is not a

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Speaker 3: No, it's a weapon of war. But it's just like

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Speaker 1: So think about the amount of people that we have

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Speaker 2: Now it's mostly people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is still a lot of drug trafficking

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Speaker 2: Now, but he admitted to the crime, didn't it mean

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Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, now we violated his rights.

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Speaker 3: No, he loves this country. You can tell he loves

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Speaker 1: wants to see people better. And I think that that's

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Speaker 1: what you kind of collect stories when you're out there

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Speaker 1: and you're really out there, you're really out there running

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Speaker 1: for office. And this is why I think that Republicans

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Speaker 1: are critical of the Kamala Harris's and you know the

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls of the world who blow into a rally here,

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Speaker 1: in a rally there, but they're not doing town halls.

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Speaker 1: They're not having discussions, they're not allowing people to ask

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Speaker 1: them questions. Because I remember when I was out there campaigning,

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Speaker 1: and I actually just had a conversation about this today.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the stories that you hear on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail that keep you going, not because they're so inspirational,

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Speaker 1: because you have to help these people.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that that's how Trump feels as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. You can see it

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Speaker 3: in them. You can see it in his whole families

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think Kamala Harris administration is like

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Speaker 1: for border patrol?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you said it, because I got

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Speaker 3: a nephew that just signed up in the border patrol

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Speaker 3: and he's now working down in the Arizona border, the

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Speaker 3: same the same beat my brother did. And then I

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Speaker 3: even have a board of patrol. She gets in office,

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Speaker 3: I even have it. What's the purpose of it.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. I mean, we keep hearing.

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Speaker 3: Their handcuff, their handcuffed. Now, so if she really got

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Speaker 3: in office. What are they going to do out of

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Speaker 3: the cactus. What else they going to do? They can't

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Speaker 3: arrest illegals.

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Speaker 1: I've heard stories of Border patrol agents that are just saying, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm buying as I have formula in my truck.

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Speaker 1: I make sure I have water with me. I'm just

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Speaker 1: there to make sure people are not dying. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: you saw your brother, saw the mother and the child.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these people are seeing this is the desert.

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Speaker 1: This is the desert.

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Speaker 2: They don't care.

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Speaker 1: These guys with the AK forty sevens and the ten

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars payments per head, they don't care if you

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Speaker 1: love or die.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't. All they see is green money. That's it.

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Speaker 3: It's all they want. Is funny, And I noticed that

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Speaker 3: one in Brian's trial, the guy talked about they asked

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Speaker 3: him why he did it, and that was one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons. The money they get, like you said, one

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars a day, you know, anywhere from two thousand

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Speaker 3: to ten thousand dollars a load. That's what they're getting.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive amount of money. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the thing that people don't understand. It's a huge business.

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Speaker 1: And so when people say, well, we have an open border,

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Speaker 1: I always say, we actually don't have an open border.

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Speaker 1: We have a border completely controlled by the cartels, by

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Speaker 1: these criminal organizations. And you talk about what would border

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Speaker 1: patrol do, when I mean, what is border patrol doing? Now?

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Speaker 1: Now you have this, Biden has finally stepped up because

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Speaker 1: he saw I mean, that's the funny thing. Biden was

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Speaker 1: pretending he didn't care about the border that entire time,

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Speaker 1: but then he saw that it was polling badly. So

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Speaker 1: he signs the executive order. And now they're coming after

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Speaker 1: Trump and saying he stopped the border bill. The border

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Speaker 1: bill was bad. The border bill was still allowing what

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Speaker 1: twenty five hundred people a day to come across the border.

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Speaker 1: The border bill was not protecting us. It was not

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Speaker 1: making sure that we were safe. And that's the part

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Speaker 1: the media never talks about. It frustrates me so badly

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Speaker 1: when the media has somebody on from the Democrat side

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Speaker 1: and they go, well, Trump stopped the bipartisan border bill

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Speaker 1: just because you duped a couple of Republicans into signing

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Speaker 1: on to something does not make it bipartisan.

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Speaker 2: It does. I think people are mistaken when they hear.

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Speaker 1: That, they go, oh, he Actually there were both sides

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Speaker 1: agreed on this. No, there were a few people who said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll sign on to that in desperation.

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Speaker 2: It was a horrible bill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, and then then there's there's Republicans

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Speaker 3: too that sided with that too. You know, there's yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's at both sides.

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Speaker 1: Right and and and it wasn't good. It was It

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Speaker 1: wasn't because John Donald Trump wants the border to continue

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Speaker 1: to be bad. Once you enshrine that into law, it's

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Speaker 1: a real problem when you have a bad bill that

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Speaker 1: is enshrined in law. You don't you don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that. I just I think people don't like to

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Speaker 1: talk about that. But before we go, tell me about

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Speaker 1: the Brian Terry Foundation.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's ran by my two sisters and Malcarell. It

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Speaker 3: was started by a friend in Arizona. And what we

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Speaker 3: do is we give out scholarships to kids that want

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Speaker 3: to pursue a career in law enforcement or any kind

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Speaker 3: of law, like a lawyer, law enforcement. And I think

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Speaker 3: we're up to like seventy scholarships we gave out so far. Wow, no,

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Speaker 3: since we started it, and I think it started in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty twelve or twenty thirteen, So.

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Speaker 2: That is so amazing.

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Speaker 1: And I think that what people need to understand is

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Speaker 1: that we so desperately need people in law enforcement. And

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I love that you mentioned lawyers, because

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Speaker 1: I think people think of law enforcement as cops. Like

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Speaker 1: if oh, I need I need somebody to enter law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: I need a cop. We need to replace our radical

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Speaker 1: attorneys general. We've got to make sure that on our

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Speaker 1: side of the aisle, we are training.

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Speaker 2: People to uphold the law legitimately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And that's one thing I like about

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Speaker 3: Trump's running mate. You can tell he's a true patriot

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Speaker 3: because he served his country. And if you go back

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Speaker 3: at the beginning, like when the country first started, almost

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Speaker 3: all our presidents and vice presidents they served. Yes, they

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Speaker 3: served this country, so they're loyal to.

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Speaker 2: This country, right right.

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Speaker 3: I believe a lot of politicians should have that on

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Speaker 3: their background.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, I agree. I think that it

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Speaker 1: is meaningful when you have some skin in the game,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and that you genuinely want to see

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Speaker 1: the country better.

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Speaker 2: And that's and that's something that we've we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Arizona is another case where you want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that there's.

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Speaker 2: The right people in office.

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Speaker 1: You see, the secretary of State runs her own election,

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Speaker 1: she becomes governor. You've got a radical ag. You've got

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Speaker 1: a radical ag in Michigan. You have to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we are preparing people for all of these positions.

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Speaker 1: So when I hear you say that you're giving scholarships

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Speaker 1: for people to go to law school, I love it

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, Okay, good, we need we need good

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Speaker 1: people going to law school. We need good attorneys out there,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully at some point we'll get people that want

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Speaker 1: to be involved in service as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and we like my sisters were, they're they're

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Speaker 3: doing a good job at the foundation. It's on Honor

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Speaker 3: Brian Terry dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, Honor Brian Terry dot com. Make sure okay, awesome,

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Speaker 1: make sure you check that out. It's on Honor Brian

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Speaker 1: Terry dot com. And that is helping folks to go

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Speaker 1: into law enforcement in all different areas of law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: and it's so important for us. I was just saying

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Speaker 1: earlier today, I was on TV and they were saying, well,

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Speaker 1: what what do you think about Trump coming and talking

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Speaker 1: to law enforcement in the state of Michigan, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you got to understand, Michigan was just listed as the

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Speaker 1: second most violent state in the country. You and I

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Speaker 1: were talking about the borders on both sides being a problem.

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Speaker 1: We know that we've got people coming across the Canadian

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Speaker 1: border that are on the terror watch list. We already

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Speaker 1: have problems with no in this state, and we lost

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Speaker 1: three police officers over the summer in a less than

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Speaker 1: a thirty day period. We lost three police officers in

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan. So I think it's pretty important

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Speaker 1: that we talk about law enforcement, that we support our

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, and we make sure people continue to want

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Speaker 1: to join our law enforcement officers.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big support of law enforcement. I got family

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Speaker 3: members from Detroit police to Michigan State Police, to the

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Speaker 3: border down in South and all over in Michigan. I

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Speaker 3: got family members that are law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, thank you for what you

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Speaker 1: do every day. Honestly, talking about this, it means so much.

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Speaker 1: When I first, like I said, when I first learned

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Speaker 1: about Angel families.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, how could this be?

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Speaker 1: How do we have so many people in this category?

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Speaker 1: And as you've said, it's become more and more. And

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Speaker 1: I've talked to some of the women in some of

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Speaker 1: the groups that support angel families and they're like, we

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Speaker 1: love that we know each other. We don't want anybody

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Speaker 1: else to join this club.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a by the tight Bond family right right,

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Speaker 3: their angel families because I can, I can go to

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Speaker 3: DC and meet an angel family and I only have

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Speaker 3: to say nothing. We already know when we see each other,

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Speaker 3: and it just we say our away with hugs, and

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Speaker 3: it just they're they're very well grouped, and it's just

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Speaker 3: you know, they're very supportive. They always help us in

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Speaker 3: any way they can. They always reach out, there's always

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Speaker 3: in our thoughts and vice versa. They're just good people.

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Speaker 1: So well, I know you have someone out there fighting

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Speaker 1: hard to support you and Donald Trump, and you have

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Speaker 1: a lot more people that are fighting hard to support you.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate what you do to make sure people know.

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Speaker 1: Kent Terry, thank you so much for being on today,

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Speaker 1: absolutely and thank you all for joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon podcast. For this episode and others, go to

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Speaker 2: Have a blessing,