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Speaker 1: Here he is. We're back at it. Derek Lewandowski, star

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Speaker 1: of Pinstripe Territory. You can check them out all off

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Speaker 1: season long, and then of course during the season after

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Speaker 1: every single Yankees game. Well, Derek, I know you jump

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Speaker 1: on as quickly as possible when the Yankees make a move.

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Speaker 1: So how's life not having to scramble to the studio?

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Speaker 2: So far?

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Speaker 3: It's been kind of a low key winter. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'd much rather have an active off season. But there's

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Speaker 3: sort of a little bit of fun in the tension too.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of that, you know, will they won't they

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Speaker 3: in a lot of different areas, and it's one of

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Speaker 3: those off seasons where the path isn't real clear. You know,

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Speaker 3: when they wanted to get Jan Soto, right, that was

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Speaker 3: all anybody was talking about. Well, they go out and

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Speaker 2: He's the perfect fit.

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Speaker 3: You know. Last year it was a lot of will

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Speaker 3: is a lot more clear than it is this off season.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that Trent Grisham has come back and

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Speaker 3: except that qualifying offer, it complicates things, right because now

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Speaker 3: if you sign Bellinger or if you sign Tucker not

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Speaker 3: only are you two left handed, but you put a

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Speaker 3: Spencer Jones, one of their top prospects. I believe Brian

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Speaker 3: Cashman when he says he's searching for pitching and a

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Speaker 3: times he will tell you exactly what the Yankees are

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Speaker 3: way you win in baseball is by having good starting pitching.

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Speaker 3: Yankees are a little bit hamstrung in terms of their

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Speaker 2: All right, I guess we're done then, D Like, you

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Speaker 2: already went through everything and the Yankees haven't done anything.

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Speaker 2: So what else can we talk about today? Now? I

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Speaker 2: it's did they just miss on the pee Alonso? Had

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Speaker 2: legitimately gonna fit? And people will be like, what about

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Speaker 2: Alex Bregman? You know, hal Steinbrenner doesn't go after a

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Speaker 2: Cashman is at the position where he's at. He's missed

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Speaker 3: Well, he's missed more than one playoff in his career,

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of like big name, twenty million dollar guys.

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Speaker 2: just they just came Peler just came out and said

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Speaker 2: You already ran him out of this city. He's not

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Speaker 3: He didn't seem happy about his lack of playing time

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Speaker 3: In fact, does Yankees need more damage against lefties? And

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Speaker 4: Blue Jays took care of business last year. As we know,

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays are good. Todd.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of Yankees fans that called in

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Speaker 3: know what, the Blue Jays they just they just beat us, right,

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Speaker 3: They just they just completely kicked our butt. And it

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Speaker 3: wasn't one of those situations where the Yankees beat themselves

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Speaker 3: like in the World Series last year. I still contend

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Speaker 3: if the Yanks had played better, they had a chance

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Speaker 3: Will they bring back Bobashett? You know, could the Yankees

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Speaker 3: interesting to see if Volpi is actually able to come

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's gonna be a hard one though,

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Speaker 4: They got Cabrera, they got cay Baliro again, not the

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Speaker 3: I could see it. I mean I never say never

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Speaker 3: with Brian Cashman because I remember one February day, Alex

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Speaker 3: I'm anticipating that he'll be hitting mid season for him,

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Speaker 2: November twelfth today, I'm sorry, December twelfth only off, my

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Speaker 2: the Yankees the third best team? In the American League

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Speaker 2: the East has made their moves.

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Speaker 3: I think so, and I think they were before the

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Speaker 3: I think in that series if they had Roman Anthony.

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Speaker 3: And you know, they've added Sonny Gray, who hates the

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Speaker 3: So you know, the Blue Jays are going to be aggressive.

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Speaker 3: you don't want to be in that position again. So there,

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Speaker 3: like he said, there's still a lot of offseason left

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Speaker 3: to make things happen, but we're gonna like to see

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Speaker 3: a little bit more aggression here coming forward.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the Yankees will be the Yankees forever. But this

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Speaker 1: You don't look at them like he used to and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the bite.

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Speaker 3: I watched David Sampson a lot and I love his stuff,

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Speaker 3: and he has been saying for a while that the

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Speaker 3: Yankees are not that profitable. So I mean, maybe he's right,

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Speaker 3: and maybe how is right. But if you're not profitable

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Speaker 3: as the ownership of the New York Yankees, you need

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Speaker 3: to get the heck out of the baseball business and

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Speaker 3: sell it to somebody who will you know, I said, basically,

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Speaker 3: you know if you inherit a Ferrari right, and you're

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Speaker 3: just gonna drive it forty miles an hour back and

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Speaker 3: forth to the grocery store. You probably got no business

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Speaker 3: owning that Ferrari. Sell it to somebody who's gonna get

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Speaker 3: out there and take it on the track and use

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Speaker 3: it the way a Ferrari is meant to be driven.

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Speaker 3: If if how is not making a profit and not

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Speaker 3: able to compete with other teams like the Dodgers and

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Speaker 3: like the Mets across town financially anymore, he should take

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Speaker 3: that as a sign to hey, let's pass it on, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's his father's legacy, but his father,

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Speaker 3: I think, was under one hundred thousand dollars in personal

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Speaker 3: funds invested into the Yankees when he bought it, And

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Speaker 3: you can easily sell that franchise for ten billion dollars

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Speaker 3: right now. I mean, put everybody in the family on

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Speaker 3: Easy Street for generations, right and let a group like

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Speaker 3: the Goggenheims, let a big Wall Street firm take over.

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Speaker 3: Just make sure that there's somebody who wants to win

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Speaker 3: in charge. And I'm good with it. As as I

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Speaker 3: said on my show a couple weeks ago, we don't

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Speaker 3: care who pays the bills. We care who raises.

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Speaker 1: The trophy, perfectly stated, And I actually think, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you and me took over tomorrow, we could fix that.

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Speaker 1: If there's really a profitability issue.

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Speaker 2: I don't get for the eighty million dollar tax bill.

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Speaker 1: I think you can if you see the revenue coming

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Speaker 1: in On the other side. There's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that happened behind the scenes. Most owners have you know,

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Speaker 1: they pay themselves, they pay others around them.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Things that you could clean up pretty quickly. Just I'll

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Speaker 1: give you one quick example. John Angelos, who used to

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Speaker 1: be running the Orioles after his lay father Peter passed

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Speaker 1: away and then they sold it. He was paying himself

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Speaker 1: five million dollars to run mass in the TV network.

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Speaker 1: He knows nothing about that. He doesn't do much with

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Speaker 1: the network that alone, right, should just tell you how

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Speaker 1: some of the money gets hidden and how you're able

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Speaker 1: to take it out of certain ventures that you have,

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Speaker 1: Just to give like one taste of how things work

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We're never going to see the books.

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Speaker 1: I just it bothered me when I heard that.

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Speaker 3: I think there's probably a director of financial loopholes somewhere

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Speaker 3: within the Yankees organization whose only job it is to

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Speaker 3: find those financial loopholes.

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Speaker 1: As there should be Derek. Great catching up man. Have

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Speaker 1: a great holiday everyone. Check out plenty of content coming

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Speaker 1: from Pinstriped Territory Derek follow all the socials too, and

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Speaker 1: Derek will be popping on Live whenever it is for

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Speaker 1: breaking news when the Yankees do things. Thanks to you,

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Speaker 1: Good to see you man.

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Speaker 3: Happy holidays guys,