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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray. Colt Gray, now known as

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Speaker 1: the school shooter, just fourteen years old Bobshell evidence.

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Speaker 2: Did his mother actually warn the.

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Speaker 1: School of an extreme emergency after she gets a chilling

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Speaker 1: text from her son? Thirteen shot? And in a bizarre

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Speaker 1: twist almost unheard of in our American jurisprudence, his father

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Speaker 1: is also arrested.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday morning, Appalachi High School in winder Georgia, fourteen year

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Speaker 3: old Colt Gray steps out of his algebra classroom. Moments later,

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Speaker 3: chaos unfolds as gunshots ring out. Parent in America's head

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Speaker 3: is spinning. How did he get in school with a gun?

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Speaker 1: Why was he let out of class to wander the

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Speaker 1: halls un chaperoned? And did the school know ahead of

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Speaker 1: time that he was an eminent threat to the other students?

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Speaker 1: This as we learn he had been underwatched by the

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Speaker 2: And how does his father end up in jail?

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because he gave his troubled son an aar

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Speaker 1: for Christmas. Assault rifle with me an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we are learning now, but

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Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining us as part of,

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Speaker 1: as I said, an all star panel. I want to

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Speaker 1: first speak to Sonya Turner joining us from winder Georgia,

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Speaker 1: mother of two girls at the school.

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Speaker 2: Ms Turner, thank you for being with us, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me. I know this is going to run

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Speaker 4: The door flew open, and all I saw was when

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Speaker 4: I turned around for a few seconds, was a figure

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Speaker 2: Ms.

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Speaker 1: Turner, when you think about your girls in that school,

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Speaker 1: the fact that they are alive today is a miracle.

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Speaker 2: And when that guy.

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Speaker 1: Says, yeah, we got to be quick, I guess so

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 5: So I had just dropped my oldest daughter, she's fifteen,

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Speaker 5: five minutes maybe less before this happened. She was late

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Speaker 5: And then I was sitting down to rest because I

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Speaker 5: text that said, Mom, we're on lockdown. I hear gunshots.

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Speaker 5: And I think some of your producers had seen that

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Speaker 5: It's word by word. They left the typos even so

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Speaker 5: I started texting with her, trying to calm her, trying

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Speaker 5: He was on a job site not too far away.

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Speaker 5: The first text for my daughter came in at ten

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Speaker 5: She wasn't on that exact hall, but she was on

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Speaker 5: I'm texting my media. Other texts went to my pastor.

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Speaker 5: Everyone I know had someone at that school that day.

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Speaker 5: The sea of law enforcement, you could just hear it.

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Speaker 5: It was the thing to do. I think the thing

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Speaker 5: But in the prayer with my pastor, which she didn't

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Speaker 5: Prayed with me for him to stop in his tracks

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Speaker 1: Use sown up When you said you are texting Lord's prayer?

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Speaker 2: What else could you do? There was nothing more you

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Speaker 5: It was the first thing I needed to do. It

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Speaker 5: It started back during COVID, where I'd created a group

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Speaker 5: I've started that online and I'm watching the stories feed

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Speaker 5: what is not working, what our students are going through,

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Speaker 5: how we're helping. I have friends who were bus drivers

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Speaker 1: Sonya, when you get the text, When you get a text,

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Speaker 5: There were parents that happened to be passing the school.

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Speaker 1: In addition to Sonya Turner, the mom of two girls

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta schools. And I'm wondering, straight out to Chris

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Speaker 1: how does that affect all the other parents in the

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Speaker 6: I was coming out of a meeting and I saw

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Speaker 6: And Sonya, I can't imagine what you're going through and

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm looking at these texts, I text

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Speaker 1: But Sonya, when you have your child saying Mommy, I'm scared,

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Speaker 2: Say back is stay down, stay hidden. I will come

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Speaker 1: Joining us In addition to Sonya Turner and Chris Hubbard,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What do we know

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Speaker 1: Week now, Chase McGee, let me understand. Let me understand

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. So all the teachers are equipped with

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Speaker 1: School resource officers on campus and one student. You heard

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Speaker 8: Resource officers assigned here to the school, who immediately encountered

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Speaker 8: the subject within just minutes of this report going out.

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Speaker 9: Obviously the shooter was armed and our school resource officer

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Speaker 3: A fourteen year old Appalachi High School student steps out

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Speaker 2: What do we know about what happened that morning?

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Speaker 1: Yet another school shooting and now the father of the shooter,

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Speaker 1: Sounds chaotic, But can we just focused on the thirteen

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Speaker 2: Chase again that morning? How did it unfold?

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Speaker 10: So what we know from before the shooting? Over this

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Speaker 1: To Sonya Turner joining us, the mom of two little

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Speaker 2: Know Coult Gray. No, he's not.

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Speaker 5: He's not from here. He had only he had been

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Speaker 2: So what we have heard about him. Being bullied and

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Speaker 5: I was contacted by Again, I've been here forty five years.

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Speaker 8: Listen, therefore, individuals who are deceased from this incident, Nine

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Speaker 1: The victims four dead and yet another school shooting.

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Speaker 2: To Chris Hubbard, Atlanta, father with children.

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Speaker 1: In school right now, how often do one of your

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Speaker 2: Who did you have lunch with them all that?

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Speaker 2: How often do parents actually think it's going to go

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Speaker 6: missing the signs. We're missing the mental health, the troubled

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Speaker 2: We're not doing enough about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you, Chris, and I'm weighing that out.

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to what Sonya Turner has just told us

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Speaker 2: So how was he allowed out of class? How did

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Speaker 11: Or why these school allow this boy to come and

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Speaker 1: So why was he allowed out? You know, my son

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Speaker 2: And I know you, John David, what's wrong with going.

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Speaker 1: To the library is I didn't ask first, Big trouble,

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Speaker 2: So how is this kid wandering around with a gun?

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Speaker 1: Shooter Expert managing principle for Active shooter Prevention Project. Chris,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't that be written in bedrock that students don't wander

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Speaker 7: And that's absolutely correct, And the protocols only work if

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Speaker 7: We haven't let a child die in a school fire

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Speaker 1: Another issue that Chris Grolnik has just brought up, Chase

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Speaker 1: McGee is the specter that has reared its ugly head

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we don't know quite get the contents of the

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Speaker 1: If they had acted immediately, could anyone's life have been saved?

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Speaker 10: I can't speak to that, but we do know that

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Speaker 3: As shots ring out in the halls of Georgia's Appalachi

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Speaker 12: School administrator goes looking for Cold Gray after receiving a

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Speaker 1: We are understanding that the discussion of school shootings happened

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Speaker 5: I think they met with him to sit down to

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Speaker 13: That's what I'm understanding. And yes, there was some sort

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Speaker 1: Hold On said, said the school shooter, Colt Gray contacted

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Speaker 1: specifically lived through the Mandalay.

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Speaker 2: Mass shooting and live to tell the.

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Speaker 1: Tale, Brian Claypool, I mean, what more will it take?

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake? Did you hear Hubbard a few moments ago?

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Speaker 1: Every time you see your school child is school, you're

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Speaker 2: I mean, what more has to be done? Claypool?

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Speaker 14: First of all, I want to share with Sonya that

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Speaker 14: Shortly after the Vegas shooting, when I thought I was

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Speaker 14: I sent a text to my daughter's I'm a single parent.

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Speaker 14: go through that, and the way that we make change

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Speaker 14: is not through What I was trying to get at

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Speaker 14: before I got emotional was I thought that this they're

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Speaker 14: a ban on assault weapons with help the first year

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Speaker 14: or two. And I've changed my thought because of what

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Speaker 14: we're seeing in this shooting too, that in nearly every

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Speaker 14: school shooting and nearly every mass shooting, Nancy, there are

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Speaker 14: red flags. There are massive red flags here and until

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Speaker 14: local schools. It's not just a federal issue. Everybody's quick

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Speaker 14: to blame the federal government. What are we doing to

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Speaker 14: solve these this is a local issue too. Luck could

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Speaker 14: have been done here.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, you know what, Claypool, You're right, the FBI

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Speaker 1: had been watching Colt Gray. They contacted, as you are prescribing,

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Speaker 1: local authorities who.

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Speaker 2: Did an interview and nothing was done.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jillian Peterson wanting me forensic psychologists and the executive

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Speaker 1: director of the Violence Prevention Project, author of the Violence Project,

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Speaker 1: how to stop a mass shooting epidemic? Okay, Doctor Jillian Peterson,

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Speaker 1: lay it on me.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean it's so heartbreaking and difficult to hear

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Speaker 15: the story because we've studied these school shootings and it's

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Speaker 15: the same thing over and over again. It's a troubled

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Speaker 15: young man who's a student of the school. He's making threats,

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Speaker 15: he's posting things online, he's telling people things are going

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Speaker 15: to happen. The people are around him are concerned, and

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Speaker 15: still every warning sign gets missed when this happens.

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Speaker 1: So, doctor Jillian Peterson, they had a meeting with the

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Speaker 1: counselor that morning and he's talking about school shootings. Sonya

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Speaker 1: Turner says she knows an instructor that dealt with Colt

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Speaker 1: Great years ago, same thing.

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Speaker 2: Then he's like, uh Vesuvius waiting to erupt.

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Speaker 1: Yet nothing happened. The parents aren't going to do anything.

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Speaker 1: What they did is given an AR an assault rifle,

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Speaker 1: so that's not helpful. The only thing I believe that

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Speaker 1: saved lives at all.

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Speaker 2: And I think Sonya turns backing me up on this.

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Speaker 1: As a school administrator and one of the students listen,

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Speaker 1: a school administrator goes looking for Cold Gray after receiving

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Speaker 1: a panicked call from mom Marcy Gray.

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Speaker 12: Gray says someone needs to find and check on her

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Speaker 12: son immediately, it's an extreme emergency. Minutes before that call,

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Speaker 12: is school counselor informed Gray that Colt mentioned school shootings

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Speaker 12: in their meeting that morning. Marcy Gray also received a

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Speaker 12: text from our son reading, I'm sorry, Mom.

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Speaker 16: The assault rifle gifted to Gray at Christmas last year

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Speaker 16: is reportedly the same gun used in the attack on

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Speaker 16: Appalachi High School. Many are questioning how the fourteen year

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Speaker 16: old managed to get the large gun into the school.

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Speaker 16: Appalachi does not have metal detectors, but the school does

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Speaker 16: not provide lockers to every While an AR fifteen will

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Speaker 16: break down into two pieces, they are still too large

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Speaker 16: to conceal in a typical school backpack.

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Speaker 1: So how did he get the gun into the school,

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Speaker 1: How did he transport it?

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Speaker 2: How did he get out in the hall with it?

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Speaker 2: Did he stash it somewhere?

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Speaker 1: He was out according to Sonya Turner, whose children go

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Speaker 1: to the school with a legitimate bathroom pass, so he

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Speaker 1: was not wandering the halls as.

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Speaker 2: Has been characterized to us.

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Speaker 1: That's not what happened. He had a bathroom pass, So

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Speaker 1: how did he get the gun? Joining us an all

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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right

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Speaker 1: now to mary Lynn Ryan joining us VP at GPB

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Speaker 1: Mary Lynn in the last hours, the father, Colt Gray's father,

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Speaker 1: which is quite a departure and American jurisprudence.

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Speaker 2: It has happened before, but.

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Speaker 1: Very rarely the father has been put behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Why that is a good question, Nancy.

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Speaker 17: We asked that right away, because there's only been one

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Speaker 17: other case in Michigan where you know, a parent was

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Speaker 17: held liable for that for a gun used by a student.

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Speaker 10: But I talked to.

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Speaker 17: Law enforcement at the federal level after this, and I

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Speaker 17: was told that it was because the father had knowledge

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Speaker 17: of his mental health and still provided him with possessing

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Speaker 17: a weapon and knew that he was in that state

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Speaker 17: and those were available to him. So that's you're a lawyer,

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Speaker 17: very good lawyer, Nancy, and I know you've done many

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Speaker 17: stories on this, and that I believe is the reason

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Speaker 17: why they're able to charge the father with accessory pretty

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Speaker 17: much to this crime. So it will be a top

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Speaker 17: story here in Georgia, and the gun debate rages on

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Speaker 17: again as we head into this election, and it's at

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Speaker 17: the top of mine today.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to make this at all about

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Speaker 1: politics at all.

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Speaker 2: I want to save lives.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who's going to use this as some

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Speaker 1: rhetoric right for an election to or they're their own interest.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, you're right, you are right, Marilyn. Listen,

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Speaker 2: if something like that happened for.

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Speaker 7: Years, something like that reported, Yeah, it is hell to

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Speaker 7: your dad. Tell the latter told him, I fromisone have

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Speaker 7: never said something.

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Speaker 6: So you haven't used this cord in a few months

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Speaker 6: and you're you're you're saying you didn't say anything.

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Speaker 2: I don't, No, the only thing I have is to sow.

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Speaker 7: But I just go around there and watching hears.

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Speaker 13: Do you have weapons in the house?

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Speaker 14: I did?

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Speaker 1: Are they accessible to him?

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Speaker 10: They are?

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Speaker 18: I mean there's nothing, nothing loaded, but they are down.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 18: We we actually we do a lot of shooting. We

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Speaker 18: do a lot of deer hut and he shot his

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Speaker 18: first deer this year. Did you know so, like, I'm

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Speaker 18: pretty much in shop to be honest with you, Well,

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Speaker 18: I'm a little pissed off to be even really honest

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Speaker 18: with you.

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Speaker 2: If that, If that is what was.

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Speaker 1: Said, he's pissed off. The father is pissed off. Well,

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Speaker 1: this may help you understand it a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Earlier we heard Brian Claypool talking about lots of red flags.

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Speaker 2: That interview was back.

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Speaker 1: In May twenty twenty three, when the Jackson County Deputy

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Speaker 1: sheriff went out to speak to Colt Gray's father and

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Speaker 1: he's pissed.

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Speaker 2: The father's pissed about.

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Speaker 1: What And yes, the guns were easily accessible. To Cidy

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Speaker 1: Sumner joining us Climeboline dot Com investigative reporter, it's my

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Speaker 1: understanding that it's a lot more than just accessory to

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Speaker 1: the crime that the father, Colin Gray, is facing four

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Speaker 1: counts of manslaughter and two counts of second degree murder.

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Speaker 1: He claims he gave his son an a R fifteen

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Speaker 1: style rifle that was then used in the massacre at

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Speaker 1: Appalachia II Ancy.

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Speaker 13: That's absolutely correct. What we know is that Colin Griff

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Speaker 13: gifted Colt this assault rifle, reportedly for deer hunting. It

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Speaker 13: seems like they were out hunting very frequently. Colin Gray

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Speaker 13: talks to the sheriff step about trying to get Colt outside,

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Speaker 13: trying to get in a hobby. Was this the best

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Speaker 13: hobby for cult to be in? Obviously not. So that's

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Speaker 13: what we know about that, And it's obvious these text

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Speaker 13: messages that are coming out between Marcy Gray, her sisters,

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Speaker 13: her mother, and father. The family was very aware that

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Speaker 13: Colt Gray was not doing well mentally. He had just

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Speaker 13: been put into therapy a week before the shooting happened.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, Sidney Sumner Sonya Turner, has

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Speaker 1: pointed out that his file about all of his difficulties

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Speaker 1: and all of his demons and homicidal suicidal ideation did

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Speaker 1: not travel with him. Everyone is attacking Appalachi High. Appalachi

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Speaker 1: High did not know about his trouble background. But as

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner is telling us, we now know that law

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Speaker 1: enforcement went to speak to the father and I guess

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Speaker 1: you heard what she was saying about the home Listen.

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Speaker 16: Colt Gray's home life is anything but stable. Colt's mother,

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Speaker 16: Marcy Gray, has a long criminal history after falling into

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Speaker 16: drug addiction. Colin and Marcy Gray separate shortly after being

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Speaker 16: evicted from a rental home. Colt stays with his father

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Speaker 16: while his two younger siblings go with their mom. After

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Speaker 16: cops find drugs in her car. Marcy Gray has sent

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Speaker 16: us to five years in prison, but serves only forty

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Speaker 16: six days before release on parole. Months later, Gray is

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Speaker 16: arrested for aggravated battery on her seventy three year old

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Speaker 16: mother and barred from contact with Colin Gray outside of

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Speaker 16: matters concerning their children.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories, with Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 1: Joining me Sonia Turner, who is the mom of two

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Speaker 1: little girls that attend Appalachi. Hi, Sonia, I think all

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Speaker 1: sorts of information. What have you learned about Gray's father?

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Speaker 5: I got very reliable information that he was acting very

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Speaker 5: peculiar that morning at work and was communicating back and

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Speaker 5: forth supposedly with his son, and I wholeheartedly feel like

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Speaker 5: he may have known more than something was up, that

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Speaker 5: he may have known what was up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it just makes me wonder

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Speaker 1: did he not want to give up his son? Did

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Speaker 1: he try to talk his son out of it? Was

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Speaker 1: he trying to calm his son down at the expense

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Speaker 1: of the other students?

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Speaker 2: To Chris Grolnick, active shooter expert, what is the fix?

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Speaker 2: What can we do? The FBI had flagged it, local

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Speaker 2: law enforcement went to go speak to his family. That

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Speaker 2: did no good.

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Speaker 1: The new school Appalachi High, as Sonya Turner has pointed out,

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Speaker 1: did not have access to any of Cole Gray's history.

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Speaker 1: They let a ticking time bomb walk into their school unbeknownst.

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Speaker 7: To them, and you know Natsi and so many others.

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Speaker 7: Ninety percent of these shooters, cortin the FBI tell somebody

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Speaker 7: they're going to do it before they do it, and

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Speaker 7: they provide something called leakage, which is on social media

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Speaker 7: that remains up at will until it's posted, flagged or

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Speaker 7: other and then may come down later. If we just

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Speaker 7: follow their history, listen to the people around, and when

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Speaker 7: somebody says they're going to do something and we start

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Speaker 7: believing them, then we can reduce these incidents. As great

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Speaker 7: as this response was, we've still lost the lives of

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Speaker 7: four people. Nine other shot, and a whole host of

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Speaker 7: a community that's going to be in shambles for god

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Speaker 7: knows how long over twenty five years. The watershed moment

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Speaker 7: was Columbine. Of course, Uvaldi was absolutely the incorrect way

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Speaker 7: to handle this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris Hubbard, Atlanta area father of children, that

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Speaker 1: he's got to stand right back into.

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Speaker 2: School tomorrow morning. Kris Hubbern.

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Speaker 1: One of the first stints I did at the Fulton

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Speaker 1: County District Attorney's office was in juvenile and of course

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Speaker 1: it's more of a revolving door there than it is.

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Speaker 2: In adult jail.

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Speaker 1: But I would see the level of crime committed by

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Speaker 1: juveniles and then.

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Speaker 2: Want right out the door.

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Speaker 1: And I knew nothing could be done except for me

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Speaker 1: trying to get treated as adults. So that in mind, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what do you tell your children hide under your desk?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you tell them?

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Speaker 6: That's an impossible conversation, Nancy. We talk about recognizing signs,

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Speaker 6: we talk about being nice to people. I know that

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Speaker 6: sounds silly maybe in this context, but you know a

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Speaker 6: lot of these kids you here were bullied. And again,

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Speaker 6: I know this didn't happen to APPLEATCHI High because it

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Speaker 6: was only his second day apparently, but had lived through

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Speaker 6: that his entire life. But when something like that happens,

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Speaker 6: all you can do is tell your kids to look

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Speaker 6: out for themselves the best they can. I wish we

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Speaker 6: had more physical barriers at the schools, lockdown doors, etc.

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Speaker 6: The resource officers. I'm a huge proponent of, having sat

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Speaker 6: on three school boards, two current and one in the past.

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Speaker 6: School safety is something that we've talked about a lot,

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Speaker 6: and I'm a huge proponent of the school resource officers.

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Speaker 6: But again, that's a reaction thing. And again, we're not

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Speaker 6: missing these signs. I don't believe we're ignoring these signs

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Speaker 6: of this mental health. And again I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what you do.

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Speaker 6: And Nancy, you've lived this in your legal career where

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Speaker 6: you've had juveniles walk out the door and you knew

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Speaker 6: something was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the legal fix is.

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Speaker 6: That's certainly not my area of expertise.

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Speaker 1: Well, Chris, you point out something really valuable. And to

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Speaker 1: Sonya Turner, following what Chris Hubbard has just said, the

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Speaker 1: reaction by the school, and I want to defend the

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Speaker 1: school along with you, now that I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: the school reacted, and.

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Speaker 2: They reacted appropriately. So it's not the reaction what Hubbard

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Speaker 2: just said, it's before that is, before the school has

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Speaker 2: to react.

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Speaker 1: How did he get the gun in there? Where did

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Speaker 1: he get the gun? How did he know how to

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Speaker 1: break down the gun? What kind of doors did the

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Speaker 1: school have? Do they have metal detectors? Why didn't his

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Speaker 1: file follow him to Appalachi High. I mean, it's like

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Speaker 1: Appalachi's bringing a knife to a gunfight.

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Speaker 2: They have no idea what they're dealing with. But let

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Speaker 2: me ask you this, Sonya Turner.

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Speaker 1: I know as a victim of violent crime and having

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Speaker 1: dealt with crime victims my whole life. Now you're never

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Speaker 1: the same after. How are your girls and how is

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Speaker 1: this affecting them?

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Speaker 5: I want to share something about one of the victims

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Speaker 5: as quickly as I can. They said at our vidul

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Speaker 5: last night, with which was absolutely amazing. Mason, the young

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Speaker 5: man that was killed. One of his favorite video games

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Speaker 5: was Kingdom of Hearts, and I'd never heard of it.

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Speaker 5: But what they talked about is the whole premise of

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Speaker 5: that video game was it's a story of light overcoming

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Speaker 5: the darkness and the ultimate sacrifice. Did that child make

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Speaker 5: but last night at that vigil, all we saw was light.

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Speaker 5: But love will prevail in the situation. It's just I

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Speaker 5: hate that those families lost their loved ones that day.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and as we put our

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Speaker 1: heads on the pillar tonight, our prayers to the victims

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Speaker 1: of this devastating school shooting at Appalachi Height. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: setting off Goodbye friend,