1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: kind of want. 5 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 6 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Ping Proven Gralds Podcast. Shane 8 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Bacon alongside Marty Jerts and Marty. We're talking about I'm 9 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: gonna say it, the most important club in the bag. 10 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: You can talk about putters if you want, that's fine. 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: We got Ryan here to talk about drivers, and obviously 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about a new driver, but I wanted 13 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: to start with just philosophy and designing the new driver 14 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: because people are obsessive distance. Went at the ball further, 15 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: we went, hit the ball longer. We want to hit 16 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: it straighter. But distance has become kind of king of golf. 17 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: When you think about designing a new driver, what goes 18 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: into kind of like to say, the bullet points of 19 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: bullet bullet points on the board. 20 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think our big most important element is we 21 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: recognize it's the club you're hitting off the tee. You're 22 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: trying to hit it the furthest we want to maximize distance, 23 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: but we also want to really exhibit confidence and consistency, 24 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of elements that play into that. 25 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: For us, it's been a long standing tradition of focusing 26 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: on lower CG raising MLI, but also building out different 27 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: driver designs that ultimately help somebody win on the golf course, 28 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: find more fareaways, maximize distance, and help with their next shot. 29 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: In Marty, we talk about distance so much, and then 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: of course you've got to get it in play as well. Yeah, 31 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: so when you're i mean, you've worked on so many 32 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: drivers in your career paying, Yeah, when you think about distance, 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm assuming you could make a driver go longer if 34 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: you want it. But you've also got to think about 35 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: fun and fairways every now to get as well. 36 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I like to think about driver fitting 37 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: is like you want to maximize distance while being mindful 38 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: of dispersion. 39 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: Okay, And it's very. 40 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: Easy to kind of, you know, kind of to say, oh, 41 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: distance is more important than accuracy. We've actually done some 42 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: very fun statistical analysis to give an actual ratio that 43 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 3: you should be trying to, you know, gain three yards 44 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: for every one more yard offline. So we put some 45 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: actual sensitivities to it using strokes gained. I think what's 46 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: fun about the compound interest of our driver designs is 47 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: that we've started with the base. I think the marketplace 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: of noseping is the most forgiving drivers, right, But there's 49 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: this little stigma out there that hey, if you make 50 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: a driver forgiving, you can't make it fast. I'd love 51 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: Ryan for you to talk about some of the elements 52 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 3: of the driver design, driver design in general, maybe specifically 53 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: the K that we're looking at here, that can make 54 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 3: a very forgiving driver also fast and ball speed in 55 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: foreign distance. 56 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I fully agree. I think people used to 57 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: look at ping and go, well, I'm gonna hit a 58 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of faaraways, but I'm giving up a little bit 59 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: of the peak ball speed the pick distance. And what 60 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: we've really focused on is materials. We focused on VFT 61 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: design or variable face thickness, maximizing the ball speed around 62 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: the face, getting the best optimization of CG positions so 63 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: you get the right launch, the right spin, and then 64 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: ultimately what we're doing here with the K driver is 65 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: really giving that great balance of ball speed with the 66 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: highest MOI that we've ever delivered, and all those things 67 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: really pull together until you can get fast and forgiving 68 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: and really start to break that trend. 69 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: What is with the K name? 70 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 3: Tell us about the K name? 71 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: How Yeah? Yeah, so the K name. 72 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: It's building off a ten We launched G four thirty 73 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: ten K and really I think really changed the market 74 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: in that space. Very high MLI ten thousand speaking too, 75 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: we had passed that barrier for measured combined MI the 76 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: heel toe plus the high low element of the combined MI. 77 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: And for this driver we've just kept with K. It 78 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: still speaks to extremely high inertia. It's even more forgiving 79 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: than the original ten K driver. But ultimately it's this 80 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: high MI platform that has all the elements that boost 81 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: distance and ultimately lead to a great experience on the golf. 82 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: Course, Marty, before we got going, and I know Ryan 83 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: was spalling when you were doing this, but we were 84 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: talking about you know K, and you go, sounds unbelievable. Yeah, 85 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: I love a big driver. This thing is awesome. I 86 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: mean you're glowing about it, and you've been a guy 87 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: again and it's been involved in a lot of driver 88 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: design in your days at ping. Why did you fall 89 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: in love with this thing right out? The right out 90 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: of the bat. 91 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: I love the larger head size for the confidence and 92 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: I like that it pairs well. Shane. You know, I'm 93 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: a little bit of a proponent playing your driver a 94 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: little longer standard length if you can, if you have 95 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: the inertia to do it, in the total system, build 96 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: to do it. So that's why I like playing my 97 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: driver at forty five and three quarters or forty five 98 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: and seven eighths and sneaking out a little more clubets 99 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: be a little bit more distance. That larger headsize gives 100 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: me a massive amount of confidence, and I think the 101 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: design challenge has been Okay, how do you make a 102 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: driver big and still sound good? And that's where Ryan, 103 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: I'd love to have you talk a little bit about 104 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: what we're seeing here on the inside of the driver, 105 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: both in the titanium chassis as well as the carbon 106 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 3: fly wrap. 107 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: So first I'll just validate and confirm it is our 109 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: largest driver. It is our biggest heel toe as far 110 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: as well as front to back. Now it's an amazing 111 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: pleasing shape, very well balanced. It has a little bit 112 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: more heel and toe to The shaping builds off of 113 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: what we did with the G four forty max. That 114 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of profile, and so typically you think about your 115 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: larger drivers being elongated. This is really a great balance shape. 116 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: It also has more curvature to the crown and a 117 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: little bit shallower face just elements that better player. 118 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: Look at go. 119 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: It is a bigger driver, but it has a very 120 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: pleasing shape overall. 121 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: Shane, I see you setting it down over there. I mean, 122 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: some of our bigger drivers, the crowns have been like 123 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 3: a little flatter. It look a little pancake type of 124 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: we get that kind of profile to him. You can 125 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: see how much more bulbous or domed kind of the 126 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: crown is on. 127 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: I mean, to Ryan's point, okay, totally see it with 128 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: what he's talking about. I mean, I haven't got a 129 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: chance to hit it. I think were gonna spend a 130 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: little bit of time tomorrow. You're gonna have to give 131 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: me my track by numbers there, Marty. But you know, 132 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it's as you said, there's less of that 133 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: kind of the the it feels like expanded out. Yeah, 134 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: it almost feels like it's it almost looks a little 135 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: smaller even though it's massive. 136 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: Exactly. So it is a four hundred and sixty see 137 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty c s head lives right in 138 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: the same space as our MAX and SFT. It just 139 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: accomplishes that a little bit different way, so it is 140 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: a little bigger front to back, heel toe shaped in 141 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: a little bit different way. It is an amazing product. 142 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: You hold up kind of the chassis of the design 143 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: and you see the titanium elements and what was once 144 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: a really critical material for us are tie eight one 145 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: to one. Very low density but great castable. Titanium is 146 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: becoming less and less prevalent in the design and we're 147 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: replacing that more and more with composite. So we actually 148 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: have two panels on this design. It's the dual panel 149 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: carbfly wrap, and it really plays into our ability to 150 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: get great discretionary mass but a big part of our 151 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: overall acoustics and so our sound profile with the design, 152 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: it's quieter, a little bit deeper, more muted. Ultimately, the 153 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: overall duration of the sound is shorter, so our higher 154 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: swing speed players are finding the bigger driver but a 155 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: quicker sound, and it just is really pleasing from that standpoint. 156 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: You talk about MOI so much, Obviously tour players are 157 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: going to think about it. Why do high handicappers think 158 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: about it maybe in the same vein as a tour player. Yeah, 159 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: so it's just as critical. 160 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: So the high handicap golfer misses all around the face 161 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: and so they really utilize MOI the forgiveness around the face, 162 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: maximizing and preserving ball speed. But our higher swing speed player, 163 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: their slight mishits now even more so need the MLI 164 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: to keep it online, especially for the swing speeds that 165 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: they're swinging at. And so both players really do get 166 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: a great benefit. 167 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 3: It is a little bit of a I don't know, Shane, 168 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: a hot take, so to speak. From our analysis, we 169 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: showed that the that the higher swing speed player, uh, 170 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: the inertia matters more to them, and I think your 171 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: instinct would be, boy, they always hit the center of 172 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: the face, inertia is not that important. They'll play a 173 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: smaller volume head, a lower you know, a more forward 174 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: CG head because that's what they need. It's the opposite. 175 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: They actually need the inertia more. Both players need the inertia, 176 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: but it's because the consequence is that much bigger at 177 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: that ball speed. 178 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're going at it like Crystal Lamprick, 179 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: then the I mean you just hit it off the face. 180 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to go off the planet if 181 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: you don't have a dials correctly. Yeah, it's it's interesting. 182 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: I mean I also think about the weapon that is 183 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: a driver you're confident with these days in modern golf, 184 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: I mean, when you're confident with the golfer. I mean 185 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: I remember people Steven Yeager a few years ago was 186 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: talking about struggling with the driver and he started swinging 187 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: it faster and then he started to hit more fairways. 188 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: And if you're confident with a driver and you could 189 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: lean into the technology, then all of a sudden, it's 190 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: become a weapon versus what it used to be when 191 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: you weren't confident with the driver and the dispersions were wide. Yeah. 192 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: Freedom to me, why, I like, the big driver gives 193 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: me freedom and that freedom to swing faster. Now another 194 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: piece that gives me freedom with the K driver, Ryan, 195 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: I want to hear you talk about is bringing in 196 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: the CG shifter. So with the four thirty ten K, 197 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: we had a fixed weight because we're really just chasing 198 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: to get the inertia as high as possible. Now we 199 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: have a higher inertia most builds and the ability to 200 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: unlock the custom fitting which gives me. I played the 201 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: CG shifter in the fade position, gives me the freedom 202 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: to swing hard and release it. Like I went to Ryan, 203 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: how did we get this done? 204 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 205 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: So it was a really big design decision for us, 206 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: as we knew we had a great high MLI platform, 207 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: but we wanted to look at could we unlock the 208 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: flexibility of having the CG shifter and so really for 209 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: us it was could we get enough discretionary mass that 210 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: we could both better optim CG and MLI but also 211 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: unlock the ability to put that new weight structure into 212 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: the design and the important answers. We were able to 213 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: accomplish that, so freehuzzle design something we brought in from 214 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: the initial launch of G four forty. The internal structure 215 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: removal as well as the way that we're utilizing the 216 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: dual carb fly wrap gives us ample discretionary mass that 217 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: we can then utilize to get the CG shifter into 218 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: the design. 219 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: Right. Since our first launch of the CG shifter, I 220 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: mean it was on the four to ten yeah, right, driver, 221 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: I did a bunch of the design work on the 222 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: weight was not as massive, so as lighter weight and 223 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: it had to move very far to get the CG 224 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: to move. Now you see these different positions are very 225 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: closely packed together. Tell the audience out there just how 226 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: much is that move in the CG and how can 227 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: we have these space so much tighter and what is 228 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: the performance in those different positions. 229 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so G four ten was a really big milestone 230 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: product for us bringing in CG stability. It was twelve 231 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: or fourteen grams and we had to have a lot 232 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: of travel distance in order to get the CG movement 233 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: for the amount of shot bend and offline correction that 234 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: we wanted to see. And then over time we've continued 235 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: to optimize and refine that design. Today in the K 236 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: driver it's thirty two grams high density tungsten backlight, So 237 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: it's a substantial jump from those early days of the 238 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: CG shifter and because of that, we can actually have 239 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: less travel for the amount of CG movement heal and 240 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: tow that ultimately produces the outcome for shot bend or offline. 241 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: What's really important with that is because it's not traveling 242 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: as far, we get the CG movement but maintain very 243 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: high MI so you actually have a more efficient forgiveness profile. 244 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: You're not making any trade offs between a draw standard 245 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: or fade setting while getting the shot correction, but preserving 246 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: the highmi element of the design. 247 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: Ryan you think about the G four to forty K, so, 248 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's basically a new driver within the same family. 249 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: When you come out with something like this, why isn't 250 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: an it's whole new name, new number, new everything. Why 251 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: do you keep it within the four to forty family? 252 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: I think what's important is we recognize the family as 253 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: a whole, compliments each other, and we really have had 254 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: the position of the different archetype design. So four to 255 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: forty is our important platform. Has all the technologies, our 256 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: latest technologies from ping that help every golfer out there. 257 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: Now we have the LST and the MAX and the 258 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: SFT and now the K. They each serve a little 259 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: bit different space in the market. The K is really 260 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: going to be that broad center part of the market, 261 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: similar to the MAX, just in different size and kind 262 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: of trajectory outcomes. But really it's about having different models 263 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: of a family that lead to great fitting opportunities for 264 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: different golfers. 265 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: Is there a certain four to forty driver that players 266 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: were playing before that they would maybe lend themselves more 267 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: likely to play the K. 268 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: Now, I think the K is now going to transcend 269 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: a little bit further across different types of archetype players 270 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: because of the CG shifter. So the SFT player that 271 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: typically wants the most movement, most correction can actually now 272 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: have a maximized MOI plus the off setting to achieve that. 273 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: And similarly, that better player, the higher swing speed player 274 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: that may be looking for a little bit of the 275 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: faith ability and be able to build that in played 276 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: our previous ten K and it just was neutral at a 277 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: little bit draw bias, can now achieve that with the 278 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: faith setting. 279 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: Interesting, right, tell us how how the driver is going 280 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: to perform just from a launch spin? What loft offerings 281 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: are there? Any little tips kind of to jumpstart from 282 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: which skew, which loft combination someone might want to get into. 283 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so our standard offering is gonna be the nine, 284 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: ten and a half and twelve degree lofts. And really 285 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: we've done testing against our current G four to thirty 286 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: ten K as well as the four to forty max. 287 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: Relative to both drivers, it's faster, so about seven tenths 288 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: to a full mile an hour, more ball speed, launching 289 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: relatively similar overall to the ten K with a little 290 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: bit more overall spent about one hundred RPMs now relative 291 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: to the four to forty max, it is launching slightly lower, 292 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: little bit f ladder with similar spin. One of the 293 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: things that we did, we recognize this with the four 294 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: forty is just very high launching product, and so bringing 295 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: it into the K driver, which is our lowest and 296 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: deepest CG, We've actually statically made the losts half a 297 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: degree stronger to offset a little bit of that difference, 298 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: so that players picking it up are going to see 299 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: it launch in the right window, see that ball speed increase, 300 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: and really see the maximized trajectory. 301 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: Marty, you picking up numbers on this thing. 302 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: Me. You're going a little longer with it? Yeah, yeah, 303 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 3: I am a little faster. Yeah, no, it is faster. 304 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: Ball speeds faster, Uh probably you know a little bit 305 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: from the face design, the great aerodynamics. I'm playing it 306 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: nice and long, which I like, and I have that 307 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: freedom to swing it harder. What I love about it 308 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: is the spin in the ball flight is very very stable. 309 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: I mean both from my left right. But I'm also 310 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: seeing this vertical stability that I think is coming from 311 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: that a lot of it from the top bottom inertia. 312 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: And then Ryan, I want to hear a little bit 313 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: about the face curve. I mean, we've talked about that 314 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: concept of spin sistency. It's not brand new in this product, 315 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: but tell us how we marry that inertia level to 316 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: the face shaping. 317 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: Sure, so the face as a whole has a lot 318 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: of stacking technologies that lead to the great outcomes. 319 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: That we see. 320 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: So overall we've introduced spin sistency that's been a standard 321 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: in our driver, which really is looking at when we 322 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: look at the face curvature top to bottom, can we 323 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: really influence spin and have it be consistent whether you 324 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: hit center high or low on the face. What we've 325 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: identified over time is we really want to align or 326 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: marry that curvature to the depth of CG and the 327 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: overall MOI of the profile, and so the higher IXX 328 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: as well as the depth of CG is playing into 329 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: how we've shaped that curvature to match perfectly to this design, 330 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: as well as identifying as we brought in Freehauzle design, 331 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: the face is flexing in a little bit different capacity 332 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: than our previous design. We did seventeen simulations just to 333 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: focus on how do we want the face to flex 334 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: to get the optimal ball speed and ultimately leverage that 335 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: space pacific to this driver different than the rest of 336 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: the drivers in the four to forty family. 337 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: I mean, seventeen is amazing. Like every time people talk 338 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: about building these golf clubs, it sounds like it's something 339 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: that's like foreign to people that don't live in the space, 340 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: Like I can't believe you can do it. I mean, 341 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: even the Ping branding almost looks built, you know, inside 342 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: the golf club. 343 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: The Ping branding was one of the biggest challenges on 344 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: this product, and so as you can imagine, we brought 345 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: the composite panel into the soul, we had to figure 346 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: out actually how to put ping back onto the product. 347 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: So the name it looks cool, yeah, I mean it 348 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: looks like, yeah, it looks very cool, looks futuristic. 349 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: And so we actually were inspired for a very high 350 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: end automotive technique in order in order to put that in. 351 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: We actually put it underneath the outer layer of the composite, 352 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: so it's embedded and cured into the composite. Gives it 353 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: a very high durability standard. The pink's not going anywhere, 354 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: we'll stand out and it has a great high polished 355 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: metallic look to it. 356 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: So cars you do this? Is that? What that is that? 357 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: How they? Yeah? 358 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: We actually they were inspired by a particular car brand. 359 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: We noticed that they use this technique. They actually put 360 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: it back on a lot of them, but their highest 361 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: end they put this metal tensure, and we saw that 362 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: pathway is a great way to incorporate that into our 363 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: pink driver. 364 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: It's it's funny. I mean, I'm assuming a lot of 365 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: companies do this. Not not golf club companies. I'm saying 366 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: just a lot of companies in general. But it's so funny. 367 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: I mean, hearing you talk about it. Marty does this 368 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: all the time, he's done it. I mean, think about 369 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: turbulators when you're talking about that off the bat, Marty. 370 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: How much you guys lean into other industry yep, to 371 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: make product better. 372 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: It's just wild to me and John sol I'm our chairman. 373 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: He's a big car guy, and so he's always sending 374 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: us a little inspiration from the automotive industry. 375 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: But I mean it, it is wild, like like that 376 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: makes sense there? Yeah, how Can we not build that 377 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: into our golf clubs? 378 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think there's a lot of dot connecting, 379 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: you know, But I think what's important is how do 380 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: we how do we pass along real solutions, you know, 381 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: like turbulays. Yes they look cool, but they really do 382 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: give it do something. Yeah, you know, they make the 383 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: driver that's four sixty. I think that's ryan. That's the 384 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: interesting way to think about the the CAD model here 385 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: is has the aero dynamics as if it were three 386 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ccs or something, but now with spinsistency 387 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: and the inertia, it's making the driver act like it's 388 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: maybe twelve thousand or something like that. 389 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think we're getting to a more competitive space. 390 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: A lot of drivers are measured at a particular MOI value, 391 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: and yet time and time again we see is our 392 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: test even higher and above that overall number and just 393 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: against the competitive space? And that's what we know is 394 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: that there's so many different advantages from how we shape 395 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: our face, the decisions we make in different technologies that 396 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: stack and really lead to that outcome of seeing performance 397 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: above just a measured number for MLI. 398 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: Ran Where does this fit in terms of products you've 399 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: worked on in your career at Paying. 400 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this product in particular, I started seventeen years 401 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: ago at Paying, started working on G drivers, G four 402 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: twenty five, G four hundred. As we've pushed into this, 403 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: this product really goes well beyond all the problems that 404 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: we introduced in those, we've overcome those. We have such 405 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: a team today that really have looked at how do 406 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: you take a big driver and make it sound better. 407 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: There's really nothing when you look at this product that 408 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: is a detractor or something overgoing. We didn't put everything 409 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: into it that's going to really overcome any consumers testing 410 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: of that to really see it be the best performing 411 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: product on the market. 412 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: What's the biggest modern hurdle right now? With drivers? What's 413 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: the thing you guys battle with the most now? 414 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think at this stage what we're really focused 415 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: on is how do we just continue to get peak 416 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: ball speed? How do we push it beyond that point. 417 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: We've gotten really good at aerodynamics, We understand how to 418 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: make different shape drivers. We have our different driver archetypes 419 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: of fitting solutions for different players. If we can just 420 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: continue to elevate ball speed on all of those platforms, 421 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: it's what's going to really unlock distance. 422 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 3: Ron talk a little bit about just the system built. 423 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's not that we're driving designing the driver, 424 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: just the head by itself and go put whatever shaft 425 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 3: in there. We kind of really studied the system designed, 426 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: the length, the total weight, the shaft, how does that 427 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: all play together, including even our standard build now being 428 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: a little bit longer and the head weight has come 429 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 3: down a little bit from our traditional as well. 430 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Yes, we have studied for a long time the population 431 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: of golfers out there, and it's a lot easier today. 432 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: We have a lot more resources that help us just 433 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: drive making great decisions about the overall optimization. And so 434 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: the head is really important. We want to get it 435 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: too impact and deliver high ball speed and get the 436 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: head itself delivering great trajectory and overall energy transfer. But 437 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: we recognize the system overall, the length of the club, 438 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: grip weight, total system weight, and just making great decisions. 439 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: So when we've studied that, we just brought the headweight 440 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: down for four forty as a whole to two hundred 441 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: three grams. We've gone as high as two hundred and 442 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: six grams over time. We think our fastest swing speed 443 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: players kind of deliver at that space and really maximize 444 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: ball speed potential. And we even go all the way 445 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: down to our kind of load to mid one nineties 446 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: for HL or our ladies product, because we see the 447 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: advantage of maximizing their ability to swing faster. But when 448 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: we look at overall length and balance that out, especially 449 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: in the CA driver, we are maximizing forgiveness. We have 450 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: all these different technologies that help tout players hitting around 451 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: the face and seeing really good efficiency that going to 452 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: the longer length is a great way for us to 453 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: just continue to push the system to maximize speed for 454 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: all that energy transfer during impact. 455 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Shan, I mean the days of the tour players 456 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: plan forty four and a half inch drivers, those are 457 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: kind of gone. And one of the pieces I think 458 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: I would just want to challenge the listener to think 459 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 3: about is it's not saying that hitting the middle of 460 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 3: the face is not important. It is, but there's so 461 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: much inertia in the driver that it's okay to give 462 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: yourself permission to maybe not find the exact center every 463 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: time in exchange for swinging the driver a little bit faster, right, 464 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: And that's what the technology gives you the freedom to enjoy. 465 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: And I mean, as we've seen, we've talked so much 466 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: about the introduction of other clubs in the bag, if 467 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: you need to scale back a little bit, Yes, it's 468 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: not allowed players to get a little more aggressively exactly, exactly. Yeah, 469 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: it's fun. It's fun to do it. Ryan, you've been 470 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: around a long time. Any good Marty stories you got 471 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: for us where you let you go, good Marty stories. 472 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been a great teacher and overall, I 473 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: would say I started as an intern and then came 474 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: full time. When I came in as an intern, he went, 475 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: here's forty projects I want to So for three months 476 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: all I did was write P three's look at data, 477 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: helped drive conclusions, and it really was all of these 478 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: pet projects of things that he wanted to get to 479 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: and just needed somebody to come in and help them out. 480 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: But through that it helped teach me so much and 481 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: really helped kind of just get me going on my career. 482 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: Marty. It seems like, as we talked to so many 483 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: people at PING, it seems like something that's been consistent 484 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: with you as a mentor as a boss is you 485 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: like people to think you want them to be thinking 486 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: all the time. 487 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's I mean, Ryan's 488 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: a fantastic example. I love this idea that the the 489 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: the apprentice pass passes the teacher. And certainly Ryan's designed drivers, 490 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of tech, and that I 491 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: wasn't capable of doing so, certainly with with Ryan, with 492 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: Travis Milliman and Corey Bake, and we want to try 493 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: to build them up so they surpassed the teacher and 494 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: learn how to solve the problems, have the right framework 495 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: of priorities. And I think that's kind of still even 496 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: we talk about a lot about a lot Shane, is 497 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: that that's still in the DNA of pinging. It still 498 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 3: feels like the ghost of Carson is still there, you know, 499 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: on your ear, saying do the right thing for the golfer. 500 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: Were you Did you have somebody like that in your 501 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: life that was that would push you in that same 502 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: in that same vein when you were young. 503 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think I think it 504 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 3: started with my dad, you know, he I think he 505 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: was a great mentor to me that that didn't they 506 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: didn't just take you right to the answer, They taught 507 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: you how to think interesting, and I think that's what 508 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: I'm trying to do with my kids and add some 509 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: good mentors. When I first came on to Ping and 510 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: John K. Solheim are our president CEO, I think he's 511 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: fantastic of mentoring us and it ran our engineering department, 512 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: so he's been a great mentor along that journey as well. 513 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, not scared to go out there and build a 514 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: golf club from time to time. Correct, Ryan, We appreciate 515 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: the time of man. I'm excited to hit K. I'm 516 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: excited to see what Marty's been talking so much about. Absolutely, 517 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: thank you. This is the Ping proven Grounds Podcast.