WEBVTT - The Chloroform Baronet (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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<v Speaker 1>and Mild from Aaron Manky Listener discretion advised. Around eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine, a woman from the Scottish Highlands arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Edinburgh Hospital for surgery. She had breast

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<v Speaker 1>cancer and was getting a misectomy with one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous and renowned surgeons in the country, James Liston.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time Liston performed surgeries, medical students crowded into the

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<v Speaker 1>theater to learn his extraordinary techniques. Sometimes the students were

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<v Speaker 1>so close to the operating table that they'd be splattered

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<v Speaker 1>with blood. Legend has it that before he began surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>Liston would shout to the med students in the audience

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<v Speaker 1>time me, gentlemen. While this brag may seem crass, it

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<v Speaker 1>may have comforted the patient. Before anesthesia and antiseptics, patients

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<v Speaker 1>were awake during surgery and would feel every cut. The

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<v Speaker 1>best strategy a surgeon had to ease the patient's suffering

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<v Speaker 1>was to get the operation over with as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Liston was one of the fastest surgeons in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>while most at the time took a couple of minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to amputate a limb. Liston could do it in just

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds. Mastectomies were particularly gruesome and painful. After taking

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<v Speaker 1>the woman from the Highlands into the medical theater and

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<v Speaker 1>securing her onto the operating table with leather straps, Liston

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<v Speaker 1>held her down with one hand and wielded a.

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<v Speaker 2>Hook with the other.

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<v Speaker 1>He used the hook to trigger warning lift the soft

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<v Speaker 1>tissue of her breast before slicing her breast with two

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<v Speaker 1>clean cuts. As she writhed and screamed. The medical students

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<v Speaker 1>watched carefully, taking careful notes, except for one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen year old named James Young Simpson. Simpson was

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<v Speaker 1>so disturbed and overwhelmed by the woman's pain that he

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<v Speaker 1>pushed through the crowd of fellow students and stormed out

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<v Speaker 1>of the room. Simpson was an ambitious, diligent medical student

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<v Speaker 1>who excelled in his classes, but the idea of actually

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<v Speaker 1>performing surgery made him a little uneasy. His own pain

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<v Speaker 1>tolerance was low. He wrote to a friend that he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't so much as go to the dentist without quote

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<v Speaker 1>the stimulus to my courage of two or three glasses

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<v Speaker 1>of whiskey. The idea of inflicting the same thing or

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<v Speaker 1>worse on his patients was too much to bear. He

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<v Speaker 1>walked out of the hospital gate and up the hill

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<v Speaker 1>to Parliament Square, where he announced to the university administrators

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<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to enroll as a clerk and study

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<v Speaker 1>law instead. The change of heart was short lived. He

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<v Speaker 1>soon returned to his medical studies and accepted the reality

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<v Speaker 1>that the surgeon had to tolerate a patient's pain just

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<v Speaker 1>as the patient did. But the mestectomy he witnessed stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with him. He wrote to a friend at the time

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<v Speaker 1>that quote all pain is per se, and especially in excess,

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<v Speaker 1>destructive and even ultimately fatal in its action and effects

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. As he returned to his medical studies, he

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<v Speaker 1>asked himself, can nothing be done to make operations less painful?

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<v Speaker 1>Little could he possibly know that this question would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to define his medical career, and only a little

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<v Speaker 1>over a decade later he would be the one to

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<v Speaker 1>answer it. I'm Danish Schwartz and this is noble blood.

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<v Speaker 1>James Young Simpson started at Edinburgh University at fourteen, traveling

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to the city from its rural outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>in his brother's ill fitting corduroy suit. His colleague John

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<v Speaker 1>Brown described him as quote thick set, fat, sancy caalent,

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<v Speaker 1>with a wide face with dimples on his cheeks in

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly large head end quote. His early years at

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<v Speaker 1>school were miserable. Later, Simpson recalled that he felt quote

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<v Speaker 1>very very young, and very solitary, very poor, and almost friendless.

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<v Speaker 1>He initially was studying the arts, but during his first

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<v Speaker 1>year of school, a friend took him to an anatomy lecture.

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<v Speaker 1>Simpson was fascinated. He switched to medical school in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, where he studied with Robert Liston the Lightning

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<v Speaker 1>Fast Surgeon. Liston thought Simpson was an exemplary student, writing

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<v Speaker 1>that he was convinced that Simpson will become a well

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<v Speaker 1>informed and excellent practitioner. Simpson finished his medical coursework in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty and then prepared his doctoral thesis so he

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<v Speaker 1>could pursue his MD. He ended up writing his thesis

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<v Speaker 1>about inflammation, which impressed his former pathology professor so much

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<v Speaker 1>that he offered Simpson a job as his assistant, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Simpson spent the next few years rising up the

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<v Speaker 1>medical ranks, pursuing leadership positions in various medical societies. During

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<v Speaker 1>that time Simpson began to develop an interest in obstetrics,

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<v Speaker 1>or the labor and delivery of babies.

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<v Speaker 2>Pathology.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor suggested that he might be more successful as an obstetrician.

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<v Speaker 2>As opposed to a pathologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Fields like surgery, internal medicine, and pathology were competitive, and

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<v Speaker 1>in order to advance, Simpson would have to break into

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<v Speaker 1>an elite network.

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<v Speaker 2>Of established doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be particularly difficult for Simpson, who came from

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<v Speaker 1>a humble background. The eighth child of a baker, Simpson

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<v Speaker 1>was so poor that on the day of his birth,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor's fee was greater than the revenue of his

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<v Speaker 1>father's bakery for that entire year.

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<v Speaker 2>Obstetrics would be.

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<v Speaker 1>An easier field for an ambitious doctor like Simpson to

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<v Speaker 1>advance in, since it was considered a less prestigious field

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. What's more, Edinburgh had a growing maternity

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<v Speaker 1>hospital where Simpson could establish himself, and there was quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of money in having a private midwife practice

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<v Speaker 1>for wealthy families. Simpson was also temperamentally well suited for obstetrics.

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<v Speaker 1>While he may have bulked at the ruthlessness of a

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<v Speaker 1>surgeon like James Liston Simpson's empathy and concern for his

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<v Speaker 1>patient's well being made him a comforting presence during childbirth.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lancet wrote of him at the time that quote

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<v Speaker 1>his winning manners, his power of entering fully and at

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<v Speaker 1>once into the mind and heart of the patient wonderfully

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<v Speaker 1>reinforced his professional sagacity and skill, And so in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six Simpson began to practice midwifery at the Maternity

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital in Edinburgh. On the side. He started lecturing about

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<v Speaker 1>midwifery at the medical school in eighteen thirty eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>even opened up a popular private practice operating out of

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<v Speaker 1>his townhouse. The Landset gushed quote his house soon became

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<v Speaker 1>crowded with patients, whom he treated according to their need

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<v Speaker 1>rather than their.

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<v Speaker 2>Ability to pay.

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<v Speaker 1>When the chair of midwifrey resigned the following year, Simpson

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<v Speaker 1>applied to replace him. He had to be elected into

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<v Speaker 1>the position by his colleagues, and he had two serious disadvantages.

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<v Speaker 1>He was young, only twenty eight years old, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was a bachelor, which was a problem because many thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was unseemly for a bachelor to devote his career

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<v Speaker 1>to childbirth. So Simpson disappeared from Edinburgh for a month,

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<v Speaker 1>solved the second problem by marrying his cousin, Jesse Grindlay,

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<v Speaker 1>and returned just in time for the election. He won

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<v Speaker 1>by one vote, and afterward the couple departed for their

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<v Speaker 1>honeymoon to celebrate. Simpson's career had skyrocketed before the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty. He became one of the most respected obstetricians

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<v Speaker 1>in the country, but he was still haunted by the

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<v Speaker 1>same issue that caused him to almost quit medicine when

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<v Speaker 1>he was still in school. The pain of his patients.

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<v Speaker 1>Seeing his patients suffer through childbirth disturbed him. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>to a fellow doctor in eighteen thirty six, cannot something

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<v Speaker 1>be done to render the patient unconscious while under acute

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<v Speaker 1>pain without interfering with the free and healthy play of

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<v Speaker 1>natural functions. He didn't have a lot of options. Alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>could numb the senses, but the effect didn't last long

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<v Speaker 1>and pain still cut through drunkenness. Opium was an effective sedative,

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<v Speaker 1>but it dulled pain only partially and took a while

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<v Speaker 1>to take effect. It was also unpredictable and dangerous, as

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<v Speaker 1>it could slow a patients breathing and sometimes caused their death.

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<v Speaker 1>Simpson experimented with mesmerism and hypnosis as a potential way

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<v Speaker 1>of lessening pain, which turned out to be even less effective.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until eighteen forty six that he heard promising

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<v Speaker 1>news about a potential anesthetic, a colorless, sweet smelling gas

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<v Speaker 1>called ether. Ether had been around for hundreds of years,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly as a to put it frankly, party drug.

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<v Speaker 1>During a dinner, party or salon in the early nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>guests might participate in quote ether frolics, where someone would

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<v Speaker 1>take out a glass vial filled with ether or a

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<v Speaker 1>handkerchief dipped in the chemical and pass it around for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone to inhale. Sometimes people would even drink it straight.

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<v Speaker 1>After seeing the numbing effects of eath on partygoers, a

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<v Speaker 1>dentist in Boston decided to see if it could be

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<v Speaker 1>used medicinally. On October sixteenth, the dentist invited scientists and

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<v Speaker 1>journalists to Massachusetts General Hospital for a public demonstration in

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<v Speaker 1>which he used ether to sedate a patient before removing

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<v Speaker 1>a tumor in his neck before a crowd of onlookers.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the first successful demonstrated use of an anesthetic

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<v Speaker 1>for surgery. News spread quickly across the pond. By December

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<v Speaker 1>James Simpson's former professor, the infamously speedy surgeon Robert Liston,

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<v Speaker 1>used ether to anesthetize a patient before amputating an infected leg.

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<v Speaker 1>The surgery took all of twenty eight seconds. The patient

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<v Speaker 1>felt nothing, and Liston is said to have exclaimed this

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<v Speaker 1>Yankee dodge, gentlemen beat zmesmerism hollow. Throughout the next couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months, surgeons across Britain and Ireland tried this new wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>Drug news reports featured patients with breathless praise for ether.

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<v Speaker 1>One proclaimed that he had the most pleasurable sensations while

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<v Speaker 1>on ether, while another said he was transported to a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful heaven and cried with joy when her operation was

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<v Speaker 1>over without any pain at all. Impressed with the results,

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<v Speaker 1>Simpson decided to try the chemical in his own obstetric practice.

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<v Speaker 1>In January, he was tasked with facilitating childbirth for a

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<v Speaker 1>woman with a deformed pelvis, where it was likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be especially painful, maybe even fatal. He gave her some ether,

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<v Speaker 1>and not only did the woman survive the complicated surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't feel any pain. This result was so thrilling

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<v Speaker 1>to Simpson that when he received a letter from the

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<v Speaker 1>Queen the next day to appoint him the Queen's physician

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<v Speaker 1>in Scotland. He was comparatively unmoved. He wrote to his brother,

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<v Speaker 1>flattery from the Queen is perhaps not common flattery, but

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<v Speaker 1>I am far less interested in it than in having

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<v Speaker 1>delivered a woman this week without any pain while inhaling

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric ether. I can think of naught else. He was

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<v Speaker 1>so excited about ether that he even used it for

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<v Speaker 1>so called quote natural births because he thought that it

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<v Speaker 1>had the potential to increase survival rates while ether was

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<v Speaker 1>better than the alternatives. A few months later, Simpson's enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 1>about ether began to fade. March eighteen forty seven, a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one year old woman in Grantham had a tumor

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<v Speaker 1>on her thigh and begged the doctor to use ether

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<v Speaker 1>in surgery to remove it. The doctor did, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was left in a weakened state after the surgery, and

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<v Speaker 1>she died two days later. Even in less fatal cases,

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<v Speaker 1>ether had a number of drawbacks. The gas had an

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<v Speaker 1>overpoweringly acidic, stinging smell that irritated the throat, even causing

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<v Speaker 1>choking for some patients. It caught fire if it was

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<v Speaker 1>too close to a candle or gas light. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also cumbersome to use. It was stored in heavy glass bottles,

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<v Speaker 1>which were a nuisance to carry up and down, and

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<v Speaker 1>acted very slowly, requiring a few minutes of inhaling before

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<v Speaker 1>patients were knocked out. For a woman giving birth who

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<v Speaker 1>was already under a lot of physical stress, taking deep

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<v Speaker 1>breaths of an awful, smelling, acidic, stinging gas for ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes was a difficult an unpleasant task. Simpson wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>find a better solution. Over the summer and fall of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty seven, he did a series of experiments with

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<v Speaker 1>different chemicals to see if they could be used for surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Simpson had no training in chemical research, these experiments were,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, a little informal. He didn't take notes on

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<v Speaker 1>his experiments, but letters from the time and memoirs written

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<v Speaker 1>by Simpson and his colleagues much later give us a

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<v Speaker 1>general sense of what went on. He got samples of

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<v Speaker 1>any substance that someone might be able to inhale, and

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<v Speaker 1>invited his friends over to his house to test them out.

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<v Speaker 1>His friends and assistants would sit around the dinner table

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<v Speaker 1>and pass around whatever chemical Simpson.

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<v Speaker 2>Brought that day.

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<v Speaker 1>The group tried out ethyl nitrate, beans in carbon disulfide, actone,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dutch liquid, but all of them had significant side effects.

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<v Speaker 1>They smelled like rotting cabbage, or produced intolerable ringing sensations,

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes did nothing at all. Sometimes Simpson would try

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<v Speaker 1>them out himself, and his wife would find him passed

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<v Speaker 1>out on the basement floor. Simpson's neighbor recalled that quote

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<v Speaker 1>these experiments were performed at late night or early morn

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<v Speaker 1>when the greater part of mankind were soundly anesthetized in

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<v Speaker 1>common sleep. In October, one of Simpson's friends recommended he

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<v Speaker 1>try chloroform. Simpson was already familiar with some experiments other

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<v Speaker 1>physicians had tried with chloric ether chloroform diluted with alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>which produced light, dizziness and intoxication, but he didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that undiluted chloric ether or chloroform hadn't been tried yet

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<v Speaker 1>as an anesthetic. When Simpson obtained some chloroform later that month,

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<v Speaker 1>he was skeptical. It was heavier than water, which suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that it might be hard to vaporize, but on November fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty seven, he decided to give chloroform a try.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting around the dinner table were his typical surgery buddies,

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<v Speaker 1>but also his wife, her sister, her niece, and her

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law. He poured a little bit of chloroform

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<v Speaker 1>in a glass for his three colleagues, and they all

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<v Speaker 1>inhaled As his family looked on. The drug took effect immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone started drunkenly, laughing and talking, finding each other unusually

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent and charming. As Simpson witnessed the intoxication of his guests,

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<v Speaker 1>he thought, this is far stronger and better than ether.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, he knew he was lying on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor looking up at the ceiling. He saw one of

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<v Speaker 1>his colleagues sprawled out under a chair, mouth agate, unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>and snoring. Simpson heard a thump and turned to see

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<v Speaker 1>the other man under the table, flailing his legs before

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<v Speaker 1>tiring himself and raising his head in a stupor. As

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<v Speaker 1>they came to the three were so thrilled at the

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<v Speaker 1>results that they decided to try again this time around.

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<v Speaker 1>His sister in law even decided to join the party.

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<v Speaker 1>She inhaled, deeply, folded her arms across her breast, and,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Simpson's recollection, she fell asleep while yelling I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an angel, Oh, I'm an angel. The party lasted until

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<v Speaker 1>three a m.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take a.

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<v Speaker 1>Brief moment here for any slightly younger listeners of Noble Blood,

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<v Speaker 1>just to remind you that, under no conditions, you absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>should not through any parties where you inhale noxious substances.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a terrible idea, and though the end result

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<v Speaker 1>was historically significant, do not attempt to do this at home.

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<v Speaker 1>I repeat, absolutely never attempt to do anything like this

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<v Speaker 1>at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, Simpson contacted a manufacturer to get him

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<v Speaker 1>more of this seeming miracle drug, but this time it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't for himself, for his friends. He was ready to

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<v Speaker 1>try it on patients. On November eighth, eighteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>only four days after Simpson's three am chloroform party, a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Jane Carstairs entered the Edinburgh Maternity Hospital ready

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<v Speaker 1>to give birth. She was understandably nervous. It was her

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<v Speaker 1>second pregnancy, and her first ended after three days of

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<v Speaker 1>labor and resulted in the death of the child. Jane

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't slept in days. When she arrived at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>James Simpson had rolled a handkerchief into a cone, dipped

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<v Speaker 1>it in chloroform, and put it over the patient's nose

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<v Speaker 1>and mouth. Twenty five minutes later, Jane Carstairs woke up.

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<v Speaker 1>She told Simpson that she was grateful to finally get

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<v Speaker 1>some sleep before giving birth, but she was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>worried that something had gone wrong because she no longer

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<v Speaker 1>felt any of the pain from contractions. Moments later, the

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<v Speaker 1>nurse brought in her child, a baby girl who had

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<v Speaker 1>already been safely born. Jane was so dumbfounded that she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe that the child in front of her was hers.

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<v Speaker 1>On that day, James Young Simpson was elated. He had

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<v Speaker 1>done it. He had found a substance that was easy

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<v Speaker 1>to administer and he believed could insure a quick, painless

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<v Speaker 1>childworth now he just needed the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up. That's the end of part one of

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<v Speaker 1>our two part episode on James Young Simpson, But keep

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<v Speaker 1>listening after a brief sponsor break to hear a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about that miraculous first chloroform baby. If you

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<v Speaker 1>go to any modern obstetrician, it's a common sight to

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<v Speaker 1>see a bulletin board with letters and Christmas cards featuring

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<v Speaker 1>the cherubic babies that the doctor helped deliver. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>sweet thing for a doctor to keep in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>the baby he or she brought into the world. James

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<v Speaker 1>Young Simpson agreed. He kept in touch with the baby

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<v Speaker 1>he delivered painlessly to Jane Carstairs, exchanging letters as the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl grew up. He also kept a photo of.

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<v Speaker 1>Her on his desk, referring to her as Saint Anesthesia

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<v Speaker 1>because of the pious expression on her face. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>common misconception that the baby's name actually was Anesthesia. And

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<v Speaker 1>while I will say that would be a beautiful name

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<v Speaker 1>for a baby girl, it was only a nickname. Her

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<v Speaker 1>real name was Wilhelmina. But for anyone looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>unique baby name, Anesthesia is right there waiting for you.

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