1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: Hey guys, Deanna here and you're listening to Almost Famous 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: and we are popping on tonight to just kind of 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: follow the news. And I'm here with my producer, Heather, 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: because she doesn't sleep, she doesn't eat, she doesn't do anything, 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: and she couldnot wait to dive in tonight because so 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: much has transpired over the last few days in our 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: headlines for our girl Taylor, Frankie, Paul. 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 3: Yanna, not even the last few days, in the last 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: few hours. I just keep hopping on here and there's 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 3: more and more to talk about. It's absolutely crazy. 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: I honestly I can't keep up, Heather, when you text 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: me tonight with new links, I honestly can't keep up. 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: And I have felt a way about it since we 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: recorded with Trista, just like I'm so sad. I'm so 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: sad for this girl and her child and and him too, 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's the connection because of 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: the Bachelorette, but it's just sad. It's just really sad. 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: It's really sad. And I said that a couple of 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: days ago to Ashley right after the season the New 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: season had premiered, I you know, scarfed down six episodes 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: in one night, and I said, you know that I 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: was crying watching it at one point. You know, she 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: was getting really emotional and she was talking about that 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: she just wanted to be chosen, and that like really 27 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: hit me when I was watching it, and I was 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: just like, girl. I think so many women have felt 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: like that in different areas of their life, whether it's 30 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: chosen by a partner, chosen by a family member, you know. 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: And I think that it goes without saying. I mean, 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: obviously here on this podcast, we've been doing Frankie Friday. 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 3: Frankie Friday is not where we rip her down, It's 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: where we build her up and we talk about her. 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: You know. We have really been anticipating and looking forward 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: to this season, probably me more than anybody on this show, 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: just because I've watched this whole evolution. So yeah, I mean, 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: I think it's it's a bummer. But unfortunately, as much 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: as people love a comeback story, they love a teardown 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: even more. And it's really hard to be watching it 41 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: happening in real time. 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: It's really really hard. It's really hard. You want her 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: to come to this side right. ABC has this whole 44 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: thing about the show that it's this whole glow up 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: and it's this fairy tale ending, and it's this good show, 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: this good, wholesome show of people finding love. And I 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: feel her on the part of just wanting to be chosen. 48 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: Are you joking? I've searched for my whole life, but 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel good to me what is happening. It 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: doesn't feel good the way things are being released. It 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: doesn't feel good. Oh man, I want to choose my 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: words wisely here, but it doesn't feel good the way 53 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: they're releasing things and making this woman the lead of 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: a show and making her live through it over and 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: over and over again. We just, you know, one of 56 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: the clips that we just saw of her online, she 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: sounds broken. You went to an event, she showed face 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: because she is trying to promote a show that she 59 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: has done, and she sounds broken. I almost cried Heather 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: listening to it, because you can hear the pain in 61 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: her voice when she is speaking that it took all 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: she had to get there that night like that. Man, 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: I don't have to say can you imagine? Because I can. 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: I've been there. I've been there and that's so hard. 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: That's so hard. 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: I think a lot of us can't relate to that 67 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: aspect that you can with her about the having to 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: be a public facing figure in a time where your 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: personal life or everything around you feels like it's crashing down. 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: But I think that we all can relate on some 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: certain level about when things are happening in our lives 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: and we have to still show up for our jobs, 73 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: or we have to show up for our kids or 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: people that rely on us, and it's rough. It's rough 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: to put your emotions in everything that you're feeling and 76 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: thinking on the back burner. For her, you know, she's 77 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: having to do it on camera, and she's having to 78 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: do it in front of millions of people. And kind 79 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: of what I was saying with Ben the other day is, 80 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's one thing that she's already been on 81 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: two shows basically at the same time. It's another to 82 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: now be the center of a media blitz that's been 83 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: happening since Sunday night and having to face all of 84 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: that alone again. This is where I mean things. We're 85 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: gonna see the change. It's been confirmed she is going 86 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: to be on Good Morning America tomorrow morning, which is 87 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: Wednesday morning. We're taping this on Tuesday, and so we'll 88 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: have to see what she says, and you know what 89 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: the approach is with that. Personally. We'll get into some 90 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: of the quotes from tonight from the media event, and 91 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: I want to get your opinion, and obviously I want 92 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: to talk about some of the things I didn't hear 93 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: in some of these quotes when I'm listening to it. 94 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: But why don't we first start off with, you know, 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: the the direct quotes to People magazine where she broke 96 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 3: her silence for the first time. 97 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: All Right, Heather, I've read this People exclusive tonight, and 98 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: I know you've read it too, So let's dive in here. 99 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul breaks silence after domestic violence investigation news. Honestly, 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: just like my heart hurts to see it, to go 101 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: through it, especially at this time, Paul told People exclusively. 102 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Just the timing is hard and it's a big deal. 103 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: I feel like every premiere that I've experienced I've never 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: enjoyed fully, so this is another one. It's extremely hard, 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: and it took everything to get me here today. Like 106 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: even just reading that, Heather is just like devastating, like 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: just saying that, like, there's no way she showed up 108 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: to this in his hole in that moment, you know, 109 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: the things that are going on, the things that are 110 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: being posted in the press, the screen shots, just every 111 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: bit of it, and having to show face in an 112 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: event where really, she's right, this should be a joyful 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: moment for her. She's one of the biggest love dating 114 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: shows in television on ABC. This should be a joyful 115 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: moment for her. When I did this, I was over 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: the moon and I was joyful and as I was excited, 117 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: and that's not what this is for her today. And 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: I'll keep going. It's just heavy. It's a heavy time, 119 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate, she continued. I'm struggling, for sure, but 120 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: also at the same time, I feel like if I 121 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: don't show up, then I'm just giving these opportunities away 122 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: and not enjoying what we've worked on and something super 123 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: exciting that's coming up. I just feel like it was 124 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: the right thing to do show up, even though it's hard. 125 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: That's I mean, I hear some humility in what she 126 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: is saying and putting one foot in front of the other, 127 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: and you know what, She's also under contract, she's got 128 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: to be there exactly. 129 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: I think that's, you know, the in between that's not 130 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: being said. But also right as somebody who has been 131 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: sharing so openly about her mental health and her mental 132 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: health struggles, I think that this is a reminder to 133 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: anybody that's listening right now that you have to listen 134 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: to that voice first and foremost, you know what I mean. 135 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: Something I've noticed is, and I apologize if I haven't 136 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: done too much of a deep dive on this, but 137 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: I haven't seen any photos or videos from tonight. The 138 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: audio that we listened to was a different outlet extra 139 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: that did not show video but used audio from their recording. 140 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: So I'm wondering if cameras were allowed in on this event. 141 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: Well, so that's what I'm wondering, And I'm also wondering 142 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: with the stuff, the changes that have taken place over 143 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: the last god, what is so Tuesday forty eight hours? 144 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 2: I wonder how much they scaled down for this event. 145 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: I wonder how many people actually came showed up, and 146 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: I wondered how much press they actually let be there. 147 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: Well, having people there for the exclusive is an extra. 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: These are the top kind of news outlets that I 149 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: know that the show probably has very strong relationships. 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: With Yeah, they have their contracts. 151 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're not going to probably see TMZ. You're 152 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: not going to probably see you know, maybe a reality 153 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: TV blog or something like that. 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: That's not. 155 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: And when we listen to the extra audio, the questions 156 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: were I don't want to say easy, but they were 157 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: light ish. 158 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: I want to say. My guess is ABCPR took a 159 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: look at those questions and said, you may ask this, 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 2: not this, not this, you know what I mean to 161 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: Hopefully I can imagine they are. I know that they 162 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: are all scrambling to kind of put a band aid 163 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: over this and really like crisis control, like that's where 164 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: they're right now. Their show is launching in one week, 165 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: and I know. 166 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: We talked about even one week less than Yeah Sunday. 167 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we talked about this on another podcast, 168 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: and I'm really struggling with was there a plan to 169 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: release it beforehand to try and drive viewership and listen? 170 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: Either way, I think whether if the show airs, people 171 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: will watch. They will want to know. Everyone loves the 172 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: drama unfortunately, and I think that they'll get the ratings 173 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: I do. I think that people will show up. They'll 174 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: watch one way or the other, whether they feel good 175 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: about it or they feel bad about it. But I 176 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: just have wondered over the last day or so, how 177 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: calculated this was, and if it was calculated, do they 178 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: understand that it has backfired a bit, you know what? 179 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: I mean that people are not responding well to this. 180 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: If that was the whole point and saving this and 181 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: hoping to gear up towards her release, or if it wasn't, 182 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: it's just all really questionable to me. 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that there's no doubt that the 184 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: media release being late Sunday night was a calculated move. 185 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: Like there's no if sands or butts about it. That 186 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: she just happened to walk one of the biggest carpets 187 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: of her entire career and this, you know, wasn't at 188 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 3: the top of people's minds because they didn't know about it, 189 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: you know. So I think that that was a very 190 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 3: calculated move for sure. I think that they really, as 191 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: the kids would say, fumbled, yeah, you know when it 192 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: came to her. I think that having the season in 193 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: the can and having somebody who, for lack of a 194 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: better term, is a loose cannon. It does not make 195 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: for a good equation. 196 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: It almost makes you feel like the show in itself 197 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: has no clue who it is anymore, you know what 198 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: I mean? They're pulling someone from Mormon Wives, and did 199 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,239 Speaker 2: they think that that chaos would match well in this scenario? 200 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: You know? It's I think that they translate some viewers, 201 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: but I don't know that all translate back and forth 202 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: and watch the two shows. But it just makes you 203 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: want or was this there thinking if they pulled some 204 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: of that and made it into the Bachelorette, was that 205 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: going to revive their viewership? I don't know, what do 206 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: you think? 207 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: I think so when we see what Dancing with the 208 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: Stars just had, having two cast members on that season 209 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: and seeing the wild success and you know, the numbers 210 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: and everybody tuning into that, I think that they saw 211 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 3: that and they were like, yeah, we are on the 212 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: right track with this decision. I think where they lost 213 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: the plot was holding onto the season. Whether that was 214 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: like discussed or who made that decision or why that 215 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: decision had to be made. That was the bad decision. 216 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: You've finished filming in December. You should not be airing 217 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: it in March. You should have been airing it in 218 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: late January, and you should have started airing it while 219 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: you were still editing the end of the season. And 220 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: the reason for that is because of the nature of 221 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: who she is and the nature of how the other 222 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: show rolls, which is that they're constantly filming and they're 223 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: pumping out two seasons a year because there's so much 224 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: going on in these girls' lives. So whoever made those 225 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: decisions up top, I think that's really where you start 226 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: with the bad decision making. I think, listen, we could 227 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: go back and forth all day long about if she 228 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: should have even gotten the role because of her background, 229 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: and if she were a man, she wouldn't have gotten 230 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: this blah blah blah blah blah. I've heard it, guys. 231 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: It's not like I'm negating the seriousness of that. But 232 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: the decision was made, and they did bend the rules 233 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: for her, and unfortunately she bent back. She did not, 234 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: you know, fold into a pretzel into this mole that 235 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: they were I think expecting. And I think that they 236 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: just don't have the bandwidth to anticipate somebody like her, 237 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: because in general, ABC does not make that kind of 238 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: programming and they don't deal with kinds of people like her, 239 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: who live a little bit more coloring outside the lines 240 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: than a typical bachelorette. 241 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: I think that's why the show works, Heather, you know 242 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: what I mean. That's why in the past it has worked. 243 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: They have taken people who who relatively I mean, I 244 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: know that the show has followed the rhythm of taking 245 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: people from past seasons but relatively no TV experience, not 246 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: doing anything else because they can mold them. 247 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: Of course you need the show, right, they don't need you. 248 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: But this is the reverse. They need her, she doesn't 249 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: need the show, and so is where you have a 250 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: big power difference. Right. We knew she was not going 251 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: to play ball. We knew she was not going to 252 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: be the quote unquote typical person. I think there's good 253 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: and bad that comes with that. Right, there's no denying 254 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: that the show was completely stale on its last leg. 255 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: No viewership. If everybody can remember, The Bachelorette was not 256 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: picked up for another season after tran season, that means 257 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: that nobody's watching. Guys. I love your comments of like, 258 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: I'm not going to watch this season. I'm not gonna watch. 259 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: Nobody's been watching. Let's just be super super real. Nobody 260 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: been watching and this is a jolt of energy that 261 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: the show has not had in probably more than ten years. 262 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, you can go with the 263 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: adage of all press is good press. I think in 264 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: this situation that's not the case. And I think that 265 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: unless there's some major, major course correcting that happens in 266 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: this GMA interview tomorrow morning, I don't know how to 267 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: get the horse back on the track with this. I 268 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: do agree with you that I think people are still 269 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: going to tune in and watch, but we should talk 270 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: about the fact that, you know, we did confirm in 271 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: our last episode that Cinnabon had pulled out of not 272 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: only The Bachelorette, but also Secret Lives and Mormon Wives 273 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: as a sponsor. You know, it's usually the house of cards. 274 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: With one pulls out, then they all start to pull out. 275 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: So I think we should move over to this report 276 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: coming from Reality Blurb, which says ABC is holding emergency 277 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: talks regarding axing The Bachelorette after Taylor Frankie Paul's DV 278 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: allegations as first advertiser pulls out. 279 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: Man, there's so much there because you know, if you're 280 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: looking at it on both sides of the street, Heather, 281 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: let's say the air it. They say, any press is 282 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: good press. Let's run with it. Let's tell this fairy 283 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: tale story over the next ten weeks, and let's see 284 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: how it goes. I'm not even touching the rumors that 285 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: have already started swirling yesterday about how her and her 286 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: final one are not together. They have already broken up, 287 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: They ended their engagement before this whole mess started. There 288 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: are screenshots of the amount of times that she called 289 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: Dakota lots of things or the other side of the street. 290 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: Let's say they've invested all this time, this money, this 291 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: effort they've produced, to show it is fully produced. They 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: have edited a few episodes at least at this point, 293 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: I would think it's it's close to done. 294 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: Well, remember we still have a mental all special that 295 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: would have to be filed. 296 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: The money. You know this, Heather, you work in television. 297 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: That is just lighting money on fire. If you do 298 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: not air that show, that is literally taking hundreds of 299 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: thousands of dollars, if not close to a million, and 300 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: it is lighting it on fire if it does not air. 301 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: How does this happen? How do the executives sit down 302 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: at the table at the end of the day and 303 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: they're like, no, can it? We cannot put this on television? 304 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: Well can it if the ad people pull out, because 305 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: then they will not make money on it. It will 306 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: not be up to them at that point. If the 307 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: ads pull out, they have to as a network. They 308 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: have to make that decision to get rid of the show, 309 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: because those ad people don't just buy on to The Bachelorette. 310 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: They also buy onto Gray's Anatomy and other things that 311 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: they're on ABC, and those are the relationships that are 312 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: more important than one series. Is that a huge loss 313 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: for them as a network? Absolutely? 314 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: Well, I think this will be the end of the show. 315 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: How did they come back from this? 316 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely? It will be. If they have to pull it. 317 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: We will not be seeing another season of The Bachelorette 318 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: or The Bachelor, and we don't have enough contestants for 319 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise, so the franchise will definitely it'll go 320 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: on an indefinite hiatus. 321 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: That's what has to. 322 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: Happen because they would not be able. You have to 323 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: make money. You have to make money, and if there's 324 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: nobody buying ads, then that's what goes away. And I 325 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: can actually recall two shows in my memory from the 326 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: last ten years that had a similar situation. They were 327 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: not dating shows, or one of them, I can't remember 328 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: that if it was categorized as a dating show. But 329 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 3: they had to go away because the ads pulled out. 330 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: And one of them was called sex Box. I was 331 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: gonna say a theater and there was a giant box 332 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: on stage and the contestants were couples, real life couples, 333 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: and they were assigned sex exercises. They had to go 334 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: into this box that was like audio proof, viewproof, whatever 335 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: they had to do the said act that they were assigned, 336 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: and then they had to come back out on stage 337 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: and talk about it. It aired one episode, all the 338 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: ads pulled out. We never saw another episode of that 339 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 3: show ever in God, Thank God God. And then there 340 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: was another one that was done on members of the 341 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: KKK I Believe for A and E, and they aired 342 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: the trailer for it. It had a premiere date, it 343 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: had already been shot, and it was so poorly received 344 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 3: by the ad like the trailer, that the ads for 345 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: the network started to pull out that they can the 346 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 3: show and they never and I want to say that 347 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 3: they didn't air it, but that it ended up on 348 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 3: streaming years later. 349 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I you know, there's so much more that 350 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: goes into this. There's so much more that goes into 351 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: this that we don't even consider and that we don't 352 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: even think about. But you know what, I'm the things 353 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: the topics that I have seen in the last twenty 354 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: four hours of people talking about, you know, fans of 355 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: the show, fans saying like, we knew this was going 356 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: to be the end. We knew that this was going 357 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: to ruin everything on the show. We knew this was 358 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: not a good choice. What was ABC thinking? Like, there's 359 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: a lot, a lot, a lot of pushback, you know, Heather. 360 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: They're supposed to be doing a premiere in Los Angeles 361 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: this weekend on Sunday night. I was originally supposed to go. 362 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: I will be shocked if they still do it. 363 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: Well, listen, they still had a premiere, a media dinner tonight, 364 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I feel like they keep 365 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: moving forward as business as usual. So that's why I 366 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: really think we have to pay attention to what happens 367 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: one with the GA interview in the morning, and to 368 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: what happens with ads and companies within the next twenty 369 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: four hours, because that's really the deciding factor. If we 370 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: go back to this article, it says, according to Rob 371 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 3: Shooter's substack crisis, discussions are being held by executives about 372 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: what to do with The Bachelorette. In the midst of 373 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: the latest PR nightmare, the talks came fresh on the 374 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: heels of Cinnabon pulling their promotion partnership from ABC for 375 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: The Bachelorette and for Taylor's main gig, The Secret Lives 376 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: and Mormon Wives. As for why they canceled their partnership, 377 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: they stated it was due to recent developments and allegations 378 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: that don't align with their brand. This has turned into 379 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: a full blown crisis. A network source dished there are 380 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: serious conversations happening about whether the show can move forward 381 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: as planned. An insider explained the situation was spurred by 382 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: Sinnabon pulling out, noting once sponsors start running, it causes 383 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: the networks too hanic because at the end of the day, 384 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: people are here to make money and it's a shame 385 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: that her mental health isn't reason enough to do the pullback. 386 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: But that's just not how the world works. And so yes, 387 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: money talks, and so if these ads start to pull 388 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: we're not going to see a show, and it can 389 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: happen very quickly, it can happen overnight. So that's why 390 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: I say the next twenty four to forty eight hours 391 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: will really tell if we're going to see a show 392 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: on Sunday. 393 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really hard lesson for me when 394 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: I became the Bachelorette is to realize that first and foremost, 395 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 2: it's a television show. They're trying to make money, first 396 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: and foremost. Right, I was so naive at twenty five, 397 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 2: twenty six years old. I thought, these people love me, 398 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: these people want to see me happy, and I think 399 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 2: there is a part that they do. But first and foremost, 400 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: it is a television show and they are trying to 401 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: make money, and every bit of this will be proof 402 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: to that. I'm very, very eager to see how things go. 403 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: I am like clinging to the edge of my seat 404 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: with this Good Morning America tomorrow. I can't wait to 405 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: watch it. I can't wait to see do they let 406 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: her run wild and say whatever she wants or how 407 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: I will well now guarded. But you know what is 408 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: so funny. I think as viewers, people will know the difference. 409 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: But you heard the difference in that video I sent 410 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: you tonight from Extra. You already heard it. You already 411 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: hear the canned answer. You already hear the life missing 412 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: from her voice. She's already this is out of her hands. Now. 413 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: The Titanic is sinking and she's got to grab on 414 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: to the lifeboat and she's got to do what they're 415 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 3: telling her, otherwise she'll be in breach of contract that 416 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: and I'm not going to get into what that could entail, 417 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 3: but there's been plenty of people from the show that 418 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: have come mountain years past and talked about things that 419 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: they've done that have been considered breach of contract and 420 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: what the show has done to them to make sure 421 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: that it doesn't happen again. They don't play around with 422 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And so I think now it's like, 423 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 3: we let you do what you wanted to do. 424 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: Now you're gonna play nice and do it. You're going 425 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: to do what we want. 426 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: Otherwise we're gonna go get big, bad and scary, because 427 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: that's what they have the ability to do. 428 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: It's honestly gross, Heather, It's honestly gross, and it makes 429 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: me feel gross. We're watching a woman, a young woman's 430 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: life fall apart. There's children involved. She's a mother, she 431 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: is a mother at the end of the day, he's 432 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: a father. Right. I'm trying very hard not to just 433 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: play one sided because I don't have a personal connection 434 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: to either one of them. 435 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 3: But we also do have to maintain the fact that 436 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: nobody forced her to do this, that she fully offered 437 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 3: herself up or went through the process of this and 438 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: was like game to do it. And so unfortunately it's 439 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: it's sad as well that she took on a role 440 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: that she wasn't prepared for. And instead of saying I've 441 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 3: taken on a very large responsibility, I have a lot 442 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: of eyes on me right now. I'm going to need 443 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 3: to like put myself in check. I'm going to need 444 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: to put myself in time out. I'm going to need 445 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm looking out for me. And 446 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, a lot of that kind 447 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: of wisdom comes just with age and mistakes, and she's 448 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: got to have to learn clearly the hard way, and 449 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 3: some people are just like that. But I also think 450 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 3: that this is maybe a wake up call to get 451 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 3: the kind of right people on your team. 452 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: I hope, so, I hope, so I hope we see 453 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: some humility from her. 454 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 3: That's what I think needs to happen on Good Morning America. 455 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: And that's what I want to talk about that I'm 456 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: not seeing in these quotes. I'm not seeing a whole 457 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: lot of I've mess step. I'm sorry, Bachelor Nation. Hey, 458 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: I took this seriously, like I want you to come 459 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: and see my journey. 460 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: Unfold well, because the truth of the matter is, it's 461 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: no longer just about her. She has filmed an entire show. 462 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: There's been twenty five whatever guys who who came out 463 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: and were a part of a show and for whatever reason. Right, 464 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: let's hope that they were all there for the right 465 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: reasons whatever, you know what I'm saying. But they also 466 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: came and gave up a part of their lives and 467 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: are going to be on television and had expectations. I 468 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: swear to God, these unmet expectations will kill us all 469 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, And they've 470 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: all given up a part of their life. It was 471 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: an experience for each and every one of them. 472 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: You know. 473 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: One of the things that I was seeing was that 474 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: some of the guys are upset over the fact that 475 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: they came there, you know what I mean. They came 476 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: there hoping to date her and was she ready because 477 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: of the situation between her and her ex. 478 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna not take those quotes super serious. 479 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 480 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: I've just been in this world for way too long. 481 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: And I can tell you right now that men who 482 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 3: get on these shows don't typically sign up for them themselves. 483 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: They don't go around looking to go on a dating 484 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: show because they're ready to find love and like this 485 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: is their way that they're going to do it and 486 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: they haven't had the right woman. No, I'm going to 487 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 3: burst the bubble and tell you that about ninety five 488 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: percent of them were found by a casting team, a 489 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: very well rounded casting team who are talented at what 490 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: they do. But men don't sign up for these shows. 491 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: It is a very rare occurrence. When they do. I 492 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: will say this, Women sign up for them all day long. 493 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: We never have a problem finding women for a dating show. 494 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 3: But men traditionally do not sign up for these. So 495 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 3: they were approached by a casting person. They were you know, 496 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 3: either doing something on their social media that was looking 497 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: for attention that caught somebody's eye, or they were reached 498 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: out about a television show, and that was the opportunity 499 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: that they took. Could they have been open to love 500 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: looking for love? Sure, But I'm really kind of over 501 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 3: this whole leg here for the right reasons. Da da 502 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 3: da da da. 503 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: Just in a number's way, this's a fairy tale ending 504 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: for me always. 505 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I love that for the people that that 506 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: get that experience, I think that's great. But at the 507 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: end of the day, the numbers for the show do 508 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 3: not equal love for the majority of the cast. And 509 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: there are other dating shows where you are more likely 510 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: to find love and this is not one of them. 511 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 3: And I think just statistically, you have to look at 512 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: the fact that The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is actually 513 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: not set up for a place for you to find love. 514 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: And you might be thinking you're crazy when I say this, 515 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 3: but you're more likely to find love on Love Island. 516 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: Sign me up, let's go. 517 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: It's because there's more people. It's because there's less producer 518 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 3: interaction and you're able to just spend genuine connection time. 519 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: There's not a lot of there's hardly ever any integrations 520 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: or things that they're off doing and filming little side 521 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: plots and whatnot. The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is a 522 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: whole fantasy world wrapped up in a television show to 523 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: make it look like a love journey. And so have 524 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: there been successes over the twenty years that it's been 525 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 3: on the air. Absolutely, have we known people that have 526 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: had successful relationships. Absolutely. I'm not saying it doesn't work. 527 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm just saying statistically, you are not likely to find 528 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: love on the show these days, especially, but you could 529 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: on another dating show where you had more prospects, where 530 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: you had more chance to spend one on one time 531 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: with people getting to know them, where you weren't being isolated. 532 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: And The Bachelor is like living in one location and 533 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: the rest of the people are living in another. There's 534 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: a reason why television networks and production companies don't make 535 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: shows like this anymore. They don't make I can't think 536 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: of another dating show right now where there's only one lead. 537 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that that is. 538 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: And the reason for that is nobody wants to take 539 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: the risk of putting a show on somebody's shoulders. And 540 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 3: that is what we're seeing happen with Taylor, is we're 541 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: seeing her crumble under the weight of what this franchise 542 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 3: is resting on her plus trying to hold her own 543 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: life together. So the problem is the show is outdated. 544 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: The show took way too long to change with the times, 545 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: and now they've done a huge swing and a miss 546 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: because they're trying to play catch up and they're trying 547 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 3: to play ball in a field that they don't really 548 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: play in, which is this messy kind of more PG 549 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 3: thirteen maybe are rated kind of you know stuff and 550 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: it's just not their field and are just not equipped 551 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 3: for it. Am I going to be watching on Sunday 552 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely want to see I want to see Taylor far 553 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: I really do. I want to see the comeback story. 554 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: I prefer a comeback of an underdog then a takedown, 555 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: but that's not the world we live in. And so 556 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: right now, I'm just really bummed for everybody involved. And 557 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 3: I've said it before, but I really think that Taylor 558 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 3: needs to go to a real facility, really needs to 559 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: be away from her phone and not engaging. I think 560 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: her relationship with social media also needs to be addressed 561 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 3: and adjusted. The fact that she even on this most 562 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: recent season, we saw the minute something bad happened, she 563 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: immediately went and made TikTok videos about said person involved. 564 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 3: Those are all really bad responses things to do, especially 565 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: when you're thirty one years old. You're not twenty one, 566 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: you're thirty one. So I really like her and her volte, 567 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: her ability, and I really enjoy watching her right now, 568 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: it is very obvious because she is using her words 569 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 3: and she is actually saying that she is struggling. And 570 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: my issue is that nobody's listening. 571 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I'm right there with you. 572 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: The next twenty four to forty eight hours, I so 573 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: much is going to be told tomorrow's interview with Good 574 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: Morning America, you know what I mean, Like, let's chat 575 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: after that. I'll be really interested to see what she 576 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: has to say, what all she addresses. I imagine there's 577 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: some legal aspects too, of some stuff that she cannot 578 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 2: talk about. I don't imagine. I know that there are 579 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: things that she is not going to be able to 580 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: talk about. And yeah, so much is going to be 581 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: telling in the coming hours, that is for sure. And Yeah, 582 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I hope that this is her rope. 583 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: She's had enough length on it, and she is being 584 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: yanked back to her knees right now, because she is 585 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: only thirty one can live a happy, full life with 586 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: a lot of help and a lot of therapy and 587 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: a lot of boundaries and healthy boundaries. She said it 588 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: in one of those interviews, they were addicted to each other. 589 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: They were addicted to each other, she said that in 590 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: one of those interviews, Heather. 591 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: She has said it all season. She has said it's 592 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: an addictive cycle that they are in. She's very self 593 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: aware in a lot of ways. And this is why 594 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: I say she needs to go and do something a 595 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: little more intensive, because she's been very open about her 596 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: therapy and working on herself. But I don't know if 597 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: that's actually working. I think she really needs to do 598 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 3: something super immersive, and that must be very difficult being 599 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: a mother. I cannot imagine. But at this point, it's 600 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: you were screaming for help, yeah, and your kids can't 601 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: help you, and you don't have a partner right now 602 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: to lean on to help you, so you need to 603 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: help yourself. 604 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would hope that there's some people surrounding her, Heather, 605 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: that are that are pushing her in that direction. I 606 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: hope that she has people who care about her and 607 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: love her around her, who are like let's nip this 608 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: in the butt. Now, let's get you some help. There's 609 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: lots of places that she can go to. I've done it, 610 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: there's no shame in it. And I hope that she's 611 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 2: got people who love her enough around her and say 612 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 2: let this be it. 613 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: Well. I hope the show is allowing her to have 614 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: those kinds of conversations, because that means not doing press 615 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 3: for the show. That means stepping away. And that's what 616 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 3: I say that this is a dying franchise for a reason, 617 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: and it's because you're putting too much weight on one person. 618 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: When you see another show where there's a dud, guess what, 619 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: you have four other people that are sharing the screen time. 620 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: So it's a lot and we've seen in a lot 621 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: of recent seasons, not all, but a lot where we've 622 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 3: seen that the lead doesn't really rise to the role 623 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: and doesn't really adjust well on camera and doesn't feel 624 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 3: We've also had Lee come off of the show and 625 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: say that that wasn't really them on camera, that was 626 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: a watered down version of them, That was the feeling 627 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: very self conscious. And I just really think that if 628 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: we do end up seeing this season come to fruition, 629 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: I don't know how quickly we're going to see another 630 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: one after and if this is the end, it's the end, 631 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 3: and that's a shame because I do want to see it. 632 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: Well listen, I mean from somebody who's been on the show, 633 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: I you know what I mean. Eighteen years later, I 634 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: love still being able to be a part of it, 635 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: I do, you know. I mean, I don't have to 636 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: be the main character anymore, which is a relief. I 637 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: get to just show up, see my friends, make a 638 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 2: little money, have a good time. I love that there 639 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: is success to the show and I get to be 640 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: a very small piece of that. I have a very 641 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: full and grateful heart for that. And if it's done, 642 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 2: it's like wow, you know what I mean, It's almost 643 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: like it's something that I can't quite comprehend the end 644 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: of The Bachelor or the Bachelorette because it's been living 645 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: for so long and I've reaped the benefits of being 646 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 2: part of the franchise for years. And I'm not talking 647 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: financial benefitshether, I'm just talking about being part of something 648 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: so special. 649 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 3: Huah. The sisterhood that you guys have is so unique 650 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: and so cool to watch. 651 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: The guys don't have that. There's no group bachelor's text. 652 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: You know, I've heard this. They just golf with Ben 653 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 2: and Chris Harrison. 654 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 3: But I will say that all good things must come 655 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 3: to an end. And I think it's, you know, so 656 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: cool that you're in this very elite club of being 657 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 3: part of the longest running dating show in America. You know, 658 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: it's it. That's a cool kind of little honor to have. 659 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 3: You know that, all these years later, you're still Deanna 660 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 3: the Bachelorette. 661 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 662 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: I say this to Ben all the time. I'm always like, 663 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 3: you're still Bachelor Ben, you know, no Bachelor Bob after 664 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 3: all these years, you know what I mean? I think 665 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 3: that's so cool. But at the end of the day, 666 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 3: all good things do have to come to an end. 667 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 3: At the point the bands don't last forever, shows don't 668 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 3: last forever, and and things change. And I think that 669 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: it's honestly so incredible that we're still talking about this 670 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 3: show years later. 671 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: Who would have thought, what will we talk about then, Heather, 672 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: what will we do? 673 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: We'll have to just hope that Love Overboard gets another season, 674 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 3: that's for. 675 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 2: Sure, yes, multiple then we then we have something else 676 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 2: some some other joy that we can focus on exactly. 677 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 3: But I really appreciate you coming on tonight and giving 678 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 3: your opinion because it is so unique to hear from 679 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: somebody else who's in who's been in the bachelorette position before. 680 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 3: And let's not forget that Taylor's only the second single 681 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: mom bachelorette ever to be on the show. So she's 682 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: coming in with I don't want to say the word 683 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: baggage because that's not it, but she's coming in with 684 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 3: her own full life. And normally we're used to seeing 685 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: somebody who is, like you said earlier, a little bit 686 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 3: more moldable, and so I think that that's what makes 687 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: this different, different in a good way. And I have 688 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 3: seen so many comments from people in Bachelor Nation. Stop 689 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: casting twenty somethings. They don't want courage, they don't want love. Well, 690 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 3: now you got it, and guess what happens. 691 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 2: They're not happy with that either. 692 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: With real life comes mess with real life, and age comes. 693 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 2: Problems, toxic relationships. You take toxic relationships of people who 694 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 2: that is messy. I know I've lived it. 695 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 3: It is messy, but that's life, right, And anything that 696 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 3: I appreciate about Taylor is that she's never run from 697 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: any of this. She's always been like, this is who 698 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 3: I am, this is my life, this is how I roll. 699 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: And I can appreciate that to a certain extent, and 700 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: I can appreciate that as talent who is being their 701 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: authentic self. I won't say, but there are a lot 702 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 3: of shows out there, unscripted reality shows that are not 703 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 3: genuine to what is actually happening in those people's lives. 704 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 3: And we can honestly say this moment aside, because we 705 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 3: haven't seen season five that's being filmed right now, Taylor 706 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 3: has put it all out there. Yeah, so that is 707 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 3: why people are connected to her. Again, we do not 708 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 3: condone violence. We don't, and so nobody is saying that 709 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 3: anybody was in the right. Again, we don't even know 710 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 3: all the details to that night, but you cannot knock 711 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 3: her for being inauthentic. 712 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that the day we filmed the reunion special, 713 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: I said that several times. If anything, no matter what 714 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 2: happens in the end, she showed up as herself exactly, 715 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: And I have nothing but respect for that. 716 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 3: But sometimes when you take on a large responsibility and 717 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 3: you are authentic and you make mistakes. Where things happen, 718 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: you have to own them because that's part of it. 719 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 3: And we've seen especially and we can wrap it up 720 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 3: on this, but we all saw what happened when mel 721 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: Owens took the role of Golden Bachelor. He did not 722 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 3: watch the show, he was not from the franchise. He 723 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: seemed to not care when he stepped into that role 724 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 3: and actually said disrespectful things and then doubled down and 725 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 3: just was like, that's my sense of humor, blah blah blah. 726 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 3: I think that in this situation, obviously there's a huge difference. 727 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 3: These are not just comments, these are huge allegations. But 728 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 3: she's not running away, yeah, you know, still trying to 729 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 3: own it. And I think what the biggest mistake they 730 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 3: made with mel was that they didn't get in front 731 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 3: of it. They waited until his first night in the 732 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 3: mansion to kind of half ass address it. I said 733 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 3: on Sunday when this broke, we will see her do 734 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 3: an interview before next Sunday. And it's happening, and that 735 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 3: is the way that you do it. When crisis, when 736 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 3: things happen that are wrong, you have to get out 737 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: there and you have to address it. It'll be interesting 738 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 3: to see how she addresses it, because, like you said, 739 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 3: there's not going to be a lot she can say 740 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 3: in terms of anything that's an ongoing investigation. But she 741 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 3: can take humility and say that this is a large 742 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: responsibility for her to take on two shows. At the 743 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 3: same time, she can say that maybe she wasn't in 744 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: the right headspace when she came to join the show, 745 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 3: but that she's really hoping people will find and watch 746 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 3: her on her love journey because it is something special. 747 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 3: You know, There's a lot she can say, and I 748 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 3: think we'll all just be tuning in tomorrow to see 749 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 3: what that is. 750 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm hoping and praying for it exactly. 751 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: Well, thanks Dianna for coming on, And if you didn't 752 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 3: listen in the other day, Dianna and I will be 753 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 3: recapping Hulu's Love Overboard starting next week. 754 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks for listening. I've been Deanna and 755 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 2: I've been Heather. 756 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 3: Bye ye. 757 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 758 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.