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Speaker 1: Hello Texans. Here we are Day two at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: As far as interviews and things like that go. Because

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Speaker 1: we're on the row, media row, radio row, whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to call it. We are here and catching up

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Speaker 1: with guests, and we're gonna start off with Nick Casserio

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Speaker 1: in just a moment here. After the visit with Nick,

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Speaker 1: John Harris and I will visit with Dave McGinnis.

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Speaker 2: He was a former.

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Speaker 1: NFL head coach, played in the league, worked with Mike Ditka.

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Speaker 1: He's a TCU alum, does Titans Radio, a lot of

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Speaker 1: opinions on the NFL and then other stuff including college football.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that with him and round out the

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Speaker 1: show with Jordan Reed of ESPN.

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Speaker 2: He's a draft evaluator.

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Speaker 1: Now we have John Harris, the best draft evaluator, but

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Speaker 1: it's always good to get other people's opinions as well,

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Speaker 1: So we'll do that with Jordan Reed to close out

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Speaker 1: the show. What is he thinking at pick twenty three

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Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans. But I'd like to know what

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassia's thinking of pick twenty three. Don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's gonna tell us that, Let's find now what he

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Speaker 1: did tell us here is we visit with him on

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Speaker 1: radio row at the Combine.

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Speaker 2: Nick, First of.

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Speaker 1: All, what's it like for you going around the Combine?

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Speaker 1: Are people congratulating you on a great season? What's that like?

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Speaker 3: Hats on the back, baby, other than John Harris. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: it's been great. I mean I think they're you know,

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Speaker 3: they are happy. Yeah, that's some of the things that

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Speaker 3: we did here this season. So it's always nice to hear.

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Speaker 4: And you'll certainly appreciative, you know, have a number of

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Speaker 4: colleagues and a lot of respect and admiration for so

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Speaker 4: the Miko gets a lot of shout outs.

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Speaker 5: So it's is good.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's good. So it's always good to be here.

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Speaker 6: And Andy, So now you reset it, and I don't

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Speaker 6: know if resets the right word, but twenty twenty three

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Speaker 6: is now in the rearview, and I know that's probably

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Speaker 6: been that way for you. I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 6: saw each other in mobile. I know you're already you know,

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Speaker 6: studying and you're into it. But how tough is it

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Speaker 6: to kind of leave twenty twenty three in the rearview

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Speaker 6: because it was from every single thing that you did

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Speaker 6: last year. Nick, say, it came up roses, but there

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Speaker 6: were so many good things. How tough is it to

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Speaker 6: leave that behind? It think twenty twenty four we got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to, John, because each year kind of

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Speaker 4: takes on a life of its own. We're always going

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Speaker 4: to be able to look back. I would say favorably

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Speaker 4: about what took place in the twenty twenty three season.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's pretty special, yea. You know, had a

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Speaker 4: lot of people that should be proud of what we accomplished.

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Speaker 4: Always starts with the players and the coaches. Nobody's going

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Speaker 4: to be able to take away the division title from us.

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Speaker 4: But we also understand next year there's probably going to

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Speaker 4: be more challenges that we're going to face, so we

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Speaker 4: have to start to mentally prepare for those things. So

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Speaker 4: once the season is over, players took some time, but

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of our players have the appetite

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Speaker 4: to get back to winning. In the preparation, we've had

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Speaker 4: twenty to twenty five players in the building of their

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Speaker 4: own volition and they're just working out on their own

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Speaker 4: you can't really allow that to affect what's going to

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Speaker 4: take place in the twenty four seasons. So there's no

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Speaker 4: time to sort of, you know, sit in your ass

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Speaker 4: and rest on your laurels. But nobody can take away

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Speaker 4: what we accomplished, and we should all be proud of

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Speaker 4: what we did well.

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Speaker 1: A huge part of the twenty twenty four Texans will

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Speaker 1: be built via free agency as well as last year.

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Speaker 1: Right yet, a lot of guys on one year deals

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Speaker 1: thirty plus free agents ready to hit the market, whatever

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Speaker 1: the number is, how is that process going, And that's

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Speaker 1: really going to be a big part of it. It's

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Speaker 1: not just quality, it is quantity in some ways. You

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Speaker 1: need a lot of guys.

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Speaker 5: It's both.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So we have I don't want to say fifty

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Speaker 4: So you really just kind of have to work through

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Speaker 5: So we're working through that now.

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Speaker 4: With had a number of conversations with agents and representatives,

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Speaker 4: and that will continue here over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 4: There's likely we're going to be some players that we

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Speaker 4: But we're hopeful that there's some players that played last

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Speaker 6: Nick, There's always there's always this interesting thing to me,

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Speaker 6: the general public, the things change. For example, the salary

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Speaker 6: it's too fifty five. When you get knowledge of that,

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Speaker 6: Like wait a second, Okay, I've got another ten million

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Speaker 5: Does it changed the strategy at all when you found

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't drastically alter your approach. It just may

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Speaker 4: just give you the opportunity to maybe add a player

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Speaker 4: because you try to create different categories and tiers. Okay,

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Speaker 4: really the cap charge the first year is likely not

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Speaker 4: it's an opportunity to add a player that we lose

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Speaker 4: So it all fits together. I don't won't say it

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about combine and raftable players, what about

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Speaker 1: combine and bumping into agents conversations you might have. How

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Speaker 1: much of that has gone on over the years or

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Speaker 1: now or whatever the case may be, Nick, is you

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Speaker 4: Sure, every team is a little bit different. I think

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Speaker 4: the conversations that we have typically with Asians is a

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Speaker 4: little bit just more in passing. Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 5: Good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Do you have any players here at the combine? Typically

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Speaker 4: a lot of those players anyways. Yeah, because you've been

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Speaker 4: working on it here, our pro scouting department has gone

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Speaker 4: through free agency, We've built our board, so we know

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Speaker 4: have some degree of discussion and dialogue. But each team

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Speaker 4: how much they actually get done relative to those discussions.

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Speaker 6: Nick, we were talking to to Miko and I actually

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Speaker 6: brought up the question of, you know, just the interview process,

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Speaker 6: and he brought it up unprompted. He talked about the

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Speaker 6: the job those guys have done for the interviews that

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Speaker 6: they brought in, the players that they brought in, how

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Speaker 6: important is that to you? And obviously, Demico that you

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Speaker 6: trust those guys that when they're put in the room,

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Speaker 6: those guys are Texan worthy if you will.

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Speaker 4: No, it's huge. I mean, our guys do an unbelievable job.

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Speaker 4: They invest so much time, so much energy, They work

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Speaker 4: it's very easily. Dimique and I are flying over the

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Speaker 4: sort of setting the table and army of your process.

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Speaker 4: We try to make it conversational. We're just trying to

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Speaker 4: of like the discussion that we're having here. Just kind

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Speaker 4: of tell us a little bit about yourself, tell us

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Speaker 4: little bit. And this is the first opportunity for our coaches.

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Speaker 4: It's different this year. We have some of the assistant

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Speaker 4: watch the workouts, but to meet the player one. I

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Speaker 4: want to shake their hand, have a discussion, sit not

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Speaker 4: too dissimilar to what we're doing with the forty five

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Speaker 4: I mean, again lip Zeke, John Richard, Brad Matthews, the

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Speaker 4: level with them and then the information kind of works

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Speaker 4: its way down to us. And we're not for everybody.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be certain players that we sort of eliminate

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Speaker 4: they synthesize it and then we're able to kind of

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Speaker 4: work through it here in the spring.

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Speaker 1: Has it happened before where you sign a free agent

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Speaker 1: and maybe he didn't draft the guy, but you did

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Speaker 1: interview him at the combine years before and you know

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Speaker 1: him a little bit from that.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely. So you typically will have some kind of

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Speaker 4: backlog of information. I probably have notes on players that

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Speaker 4: came out, you know, ten, twelve years ago, and then

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Speaker 4: you've tracked them through the league. We have reports on

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Speaker 4: our system, free agent reports on the system. So it's

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Speaker 4: happened a number of times. I mean, it's funny. I

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Speaker 4: that I interviewed the East West Shrine game, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I interviewed I'll never forget. I forget what

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Speaker 4: All Star Game Eric Weddle was. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: If we put John Carrol Nick Assario in the forty

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Speaker 6: All I know is the best thing I've ever seen

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Speaker 6: Finish Agency codeside with agency and that day the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassio, and this whole thing, this whole interview will

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Speaker 1: He has a lot to say about the ASC South.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that among other things. Coming up on

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Speaker 1: like to visit with Dave McGinnis, who was an NFL

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Speaker 1: the Titans radio network. So very cool always to visit

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Speaker 2: Let's go coach. Great to see as always.

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Speaker 7: Mark John. It's always great to be on with you guys.

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Speaker 7: I mean this has kind of become a deal we

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Speaker 1: Well, I always look forward to it, you know that.

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Speaker 7: It's very cool. Been lucky to be doing this. This

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Speaker 5: And as you will know in the in the AFC

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Speaker 7: But I think the the National Football League is is

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Speaker 5: Those are elite and special dudes.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: You guys have been around him.

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Speaker 1: of Titans Radio the color commentator Will Levis, what do

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Speaker 1: we expect year two?

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Speaker 7: Well, you're gonna I expect and I think you can

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Speaker 7: look at you know now with with with a with

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Speaker 7: an offensive minded head coach that was a quarterback coach.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know development, I mean to me.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you guys struck gold, you know, with a

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Speaker 7: rookie quarterback this year that that I think was just fabulous.

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Speaker 5: He really was.

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Speaker 7: And still he's got a lot of growth potential too

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Speaker 7: in this league. But Will Levis has got tremendous growth potential.

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Speaker 7: You could see early on. I mean, he's got the

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Speaker 7: requisite skills that it takes.

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Speaker 5: But he's he's not refined at all in it. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think CJ.

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Speaker 7: Stroud showed some refinement that surprised a lot of people.

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Speaker 7: You know, really you want to be honest and that

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Speaker 7: and that, that to me is the National Football League nowadays.

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Speaker 7: If you can find that dude that's on a rookie contract,

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Speaker 7: that can be a catalyst like that. But Will Levis

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Speaker 7: is gonna he's gonna get he's gonna get better. But

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Speaker 7: he's he's got what it takes. He's got what it

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Speaker 7: takes physically. Mentally he loves it. He's a grinder, uh

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Speaker 7: but he's just he's kind of a wild horse rider,

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I mean there there there

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Speaker 7: are times when he gets on the thing and he

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Speaker 7: just and he lets it roll. And so you've got

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Speaker 7: to learn to ring. You don't want to rain all

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Speaker 7: of that in, but you've got to rain some of

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Speaker 7: it in because the dudes you're playing against react a

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Speaker 7: lot quicker than that than the dudes that he's played

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Speaker 7: against before.

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Speaker 6: You You got to you gotta I'm not sure the

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Speaker 6: right way of saying this, but you've got to prepare

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Speaker 6: yourself for the Will Levis experience because it's like a

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Speaker 6: roller coaster. There will be highs, but then you also

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Speaker 6: know man, and he showed it in our game. He

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Speaker 6: makes that one throw across the middle and it's like whoa.

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Speaker 6: And then the next throw he throws it to our

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Speaker 6: guy when he's got the guy deep wide open, and

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Speaker 6: it's like, that's kind of the Will Levice experience, kind

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Speaker 6: of going up and down. Coach, I don't know how

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Speaker 6: much you can answer this one, but I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 6: it anyways, because obviously he was with us in Houston,

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Speaker 6: and he carries such clout throughout this league, and that's

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Speaker 6: Mike Rabel. Why in the end did it come to

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Speaker 6: the end for Mike and Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 7: I'm not in those meetings anymore. I mean I was

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Speaker 7: in those meetings for thirty one years, so yeah, so

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Speaker 7: I would know.

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Speaker 5: I would know. But but to me, it always, it

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Speaker 5: always will come down to in this league.

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Speaker 7: You know, if it if it, if it comes down

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Speaker 7: to a difference between the ownership and the head coach,

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Speaker 7: the owner's gonna win every time. That's just the life.

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Speaker 7: That's just life in this league. Specifics. I don't know

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Speaker 7: Mike Rabel's a good football coach. Yep, he's a good

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Speaker 7: football coach. But and just because look, I've just got

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Speaker 7: through doing a lot of Arizona radio out there. They

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Speaker 7: still love me back there, but they fired me, you

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Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. I mean, I mean seriously, I

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Speaker 7: was with Mike Didko when Mike Ditka was fired. So

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Speaker 7: that's just a life you live in this league as

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Speaker 7: a head coach when you ascended to that part, you

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Speaker 7: know that. And so as they say, what do they say,

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Speaker 7: it's not personal, it's business.

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Speaker 5: Yep, that's probably what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Dave McGinnis joining US former NFL coach

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Speaker 1: and Titans radio color commentator. A lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: changing the offseason again, and I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: can get this done before the next CBA, but maybe

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Speaker 1: shortening the off season program, getting the camp early, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the ideas floating around out there. But the

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Speaker 1: way it is now a lot of coaches don't even

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Speaker 1: like this. You get the nine week program virtually no contact,

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Speaker 1: but there's yeah, you can do a little bit and

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Speaker 1: then in camp, the reduction of padded practices things like that.

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Speaker 1: With the latest CBA. Your thoughts on how they're getting

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Speaker 1: players ready for the season. Now, if a seventeen game season,

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Speaker 1: where are we going? Where should it be?

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Speaker 2: Coach?

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Speaker 7: Well, look, you guys have been in this a long time,

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Speaker 7: probably have been in it longer. I remember when I

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Speaker 7: first got in the league with Mike Ditka, we would

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Speaker 7: go to Platteville, Wisconsin, and as soon as practice started

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Speaker 7: the first day, until we ended twice a day in pads,

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Speaker 7: full full pads every day, nine on seven to start

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Speaker 7: practice every day.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I mean that's shit. That was the life you led.

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Speaker 5: That's just what you did. That's what you did.

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Speaker 7: The league has has changed and evolved, it doesn't to

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Speaker 7: me as long as everybody's got the same rules. See

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Speaker 7: what happened is, guys, is what started happening. And they

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Speaker 7: and when when you remember wh Jimmy Johnson came into

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Speaker 7: the league. Well, you know Jimmy Johnson, You know what

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Speaker 7: those guys had had a marvelous career with Dave Wantstat

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Speaker 7: and those guys down down in Miami. Well he started

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Speaker 7: doing off season things that nobody had ever done in

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Speaker 7: the National Football League, and all of a sudden, everybody

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Speaker 7: else went, well, wait, a minute, you know, why why

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Speaker 7: can they? So that's where all the you know, all

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Speaker 7: of this started coming in. And then you get you know,

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Speaker 7: then you get the then you get the NFLPA involved.

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Speaker 7: And now as long as everybody is under the same

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Speaker 7: purview of rules, right, I'm with it. I'm fine with

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Speaker 7: it because because to me to and I'm old school

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Speaker 7: enough to go back to those days, but I'm also

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Speaker 7: progressive enough not to think.

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Speaker 5: You know what, we went full pad twice a day for.

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Speaker 7: Six weeks in camp for six weeks in camp and

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Speaker 7: hitting every day, So why can't you don't?

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Speaker 5: That's not what you do now. You just don't do

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Speaker 5: that now.

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Speaker 7: And then also the other thing is too Asset allocation

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Speaker 7: in this league is so much more than it used

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Speaker 7: to be as far as players go. And that was

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Speaker 7: back before free agency. It was back before it was

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Speaker 7: just a different world.

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Speaker 5: This is the world we live in now.

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Speaker 7: So as long as everybody's got the same rules and

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Speaker 7: follows the same protocols, I don't care.

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Speaker 6: Because you've seen not only the NFL, but you've seen

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Speaker 6: every other league that has been in existence. Yes, so

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Speaker 6: now we see the XFL and the USFL coming together

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Speaker 6: to become the UFL, and we saw some so like

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Speaker 6: we had a successful we had a klid. Davis played

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Speaker 6: defensive yes, who had played for the Birmingham Stallions one

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Speaker 6: USFL and like two weeks later he's in our camp

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Speaker 6: and we're like, I don't know what's this guy gonna

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Speaker 6: bring us? And he ends up being a vital piece

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Speaker 6: of our team. Do you think the UFL those two

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Speaker 6: coming together, do you think that can work?

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Speaker 7: You know I do if they don't get out over

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Speaker 7: their skis financially. I mean, I was involved with the

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Speaker 7: alliance with Jeff Fisher. You know, we would go down

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Speaker 7: there to to Birmingham, you know, with the Iron but

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Speaker 7: that was the closest we were did. Joe Pendry was

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Speaker 7: a general manager, and you know Bill Pollian was involved,

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Speaker 7: and so I was on the inside of that, you know,

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Speaker 7: go down there to see it. Mort's son was coaching,

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Speaker 7: was coaching there. So I would be with mort down

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Speaker 7: there and see all the stuff that was going on

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Speaker 7: with Chris Mortenson. I'm talking about there's a there's a

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Speaker 7: place for it.

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Speaker 5: Now. There's not enough all of these, all of these

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Speaker 5: supplemental leagues.

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Speaker 7: When you look at them, guys, the thing that always

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Speaker 7: throws it back is two things. It's the number of

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Speaker 7: offensive linemen that are viable and available to keep a

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Speaker 7: quarterback upright, and then the quarterbacks because there's just not

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Speaker 7: enough of those humans in the league that have to

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Speaker 7: be big enough to be an offensive lineman that can

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Speaker 7: move their feet in the world because most of them,

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Speaker 7: if they can do that, they're in this league. And

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Speaker 7: you know, you know that that's true. But I think

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Speaker 7: there's a there's a spot for it. You can develop players.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's been proven. I was coaching the National

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Speaker 7: Football League when we had to allocate six players a

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Speaker 7: year to the World League, all right, and you could

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Speaker 7: develop the two things you could develop out of that league.

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Speaker 7: You could develop quarterbacks and you could also develop officials.

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Speaker 7: That was that was a huge, huge proving ground to

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Speaker 7: develop officials out there, which is there's still a need

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Speaker 7: for that.

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Speaker 5: Terry Killings, who just got through, who played who played with,

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Speaker 5: who played with? Who played with Tennessee, was played for

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Speaker 5: Jeff Fisher on that Super Bowl team, just was an

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Speaker 5: umpire in the in the Super Bowl. Well, I saw

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Speaker 5: Terry when he was calling games in the Alliance.

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Speaker 7: You know, he had worked his way up through but

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Speaker 7: it was a way to prove yourself and also because

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Speaker 7: you all of us have got to be honing our

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Speaker 7: skills whatever we're doing.

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Speaker 5: So is there a place for it?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, just if they don't get out over their skis financially,

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Speaker 7: that's what shut the alliance down?

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Speaker 5: Are they is that?

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Speaker 7: You know that they were kind of genin But the

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Speaker 7: money is the is the part that that that always

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Speaker 7: that always stops it. I mean I can remember way

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Speaker 7: back when I graduated from TCU, you know, had a

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Speaker 7: chance to go play with the Hawaiian team.

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Speaker 5: And the world. Remember that way ahead absolue. So come on, guys,

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Speaker 5: I've been, I've been, I've been through it all. But

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Speaker 5: it's still money. Money and money management. It's what makes

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Speaker 5: it work.

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Speaker 1: There was a Houston Texans in the World Football League

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Dave mc get us joining US

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Speaker 1: former NFL coach and Titans radio color commentator. Your perspective

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Speaker 1: on Jacksonville because they had a great twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: bad start, great finish, twenty twenty three, great start, bad finish.

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Speaker 2: Where they're going from here? Coach? What do you think

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Speaker 2: of the Jacks still got.

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Speaker 5: Players, They still had, they've had players.

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Speaker 7: And again and again I'm talking here, we're we're we're

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Speaker 7: talking real football in this league. If you have down

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Speaker 7: years in consecutive times, which you all went through too,

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Speaker 7: you had to and you draft well because you're drafting

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Speaker 7: in the top five or six in every round, not

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Speaker 7: just the first round. People got to understand that. And

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Speaker 7: you know, I've vetted for thirty I've vetted thirty nine drafts.

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Speaker 7: It's easy to disseminate the top players of every round.

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Speaker 5: That's easy.

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Speaker 7: What's hard is when you're drafting at the bottom of

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Speaker 7: rounds consecutive years, because then all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 7: comparison and trying to vet those guys.

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Speaker 5: That's where you're real that's where it comes in.

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Speaker 7: So if you're able to get enough, real good draft

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Speaker 7: picks that are working, then all of a sudden you

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Speaker 7: hit on a young quarterback and then you can you

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Speaker 7: can go. So they've still got players. But guys, I

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Speaker 7: really think in a seventeen week season now you're going

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Speaker 7: to see some of these hills and valleys because it's hard.

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Speaker 7: It is hard, first of all, numbers wise to keep

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Speaker 7: everybody healthy that long. And then number two, it's really

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Speaker 7: hard to stay here mentally the whole.

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Speaker 5: I mean as far as just ginning up your motor.

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Speaker 5: You know, every week if you're if you're healthy or not.

655
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 7: So you're gonna see this this type of thing in

656
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 7: this league now, because to me, even even Kansas City

657
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 7: that wanted all this year, you remember, there was a

658
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 7: time during the season you guys both know what. You

659
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 7: guys are prosed this and you know where you got.

660
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 7: So I think Jacksonville still they get still got players,

661
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 7: I mean, and they've got players, and they haven't forgotten

662
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 7: how to coach.

663
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 8: You know.

664
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 7: It's just like you know, Houston has had players for

665
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 7: a few years, but you went through a series of

666
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 7: one year head coaches, which is hard to get anything,

667
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 7: you know, generated on the tracks. Once you got something

668
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 7: solidified they're going, then you can you can kind of

669
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 7: catch fire just like what you guys did, which that's

670
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 7: the league now.

671
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 5: That is going to be the league now.

672
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 6: Coach you mentioned offensive line earlier. Yeah, Brian Callahan comes

673
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 6: over and he brings his dad. Well, and I've always

674
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 6: thought about what it would be like to coach with

675
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 6: my dad, and I don't know that we could ever

676
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 6: do it, but I give the Browns credit. The brown said, look, Brian,

677
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 6: you want him, You got Bill, and he's one of

678
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 6: the best guys and the business on the offensive line.

679
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 6: What does it mean to the Titans that Bill comes

680
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 6: along with Brian?

681
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: I mean that's legitimate.

682
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 7: I mean Bill Callahan and I've coached against Bill for years,

683
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 7: but he's a legitimate dude. But he's one of the best,

684
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 7: and and and known league wide as one of the best.

685
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 7: And plus I think it's and I'm glad you brought

686
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 7: that up. It was really because he was under contract

687
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 7: with Cleveland. We all know how the contract situation works

688
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 7: with coaches. When I was coaching, you know, I was

689
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 7: under contract and missed a lot of chance, not a lot,

690
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 7: three or four chances to go someplace.

691
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: That's because I was under contract. You can't go.

692
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 7: You know, you guys been in the league long enough

693
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 7: to know when they used to put a tag on

694
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 7: the coaches used to have one tag where a coach

695
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 7: couldn't leave. I mean, so anyway, but for them to

696
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 7: allow him understand how how really unique this was. But

697
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 7: you just talk about on the on just the practical

698
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 7: side of it and the and the operational side of it.

699
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 7: To have Bill Callahan to come in to a team

700
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 7: that needs development nteve Lyman.

701
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 5: And your son is the head coach. It's really unique

702
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 5: and I think it's very very cool.

703
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 7: You gotta tip your hat to the Cleveland Browns first

704
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 7: of all to say that, because this is a business

705
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 7: and you know there's not a lot of sentimentality in

706
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 7: this league. I mean, they're just not right. They're just

707
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 7: not it's not I've lived it. But for that, I

708
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 7: think it's very cool. Plus it's warranted because Bill Callahan

709
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 7: is special.

710
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Former NFL coach Dave McGinnis joining US member of Titans Radio,

711
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: the color commentator of the Titans Radio booth with voice

712
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Mike Keith, coach college football. It's a mess right now

713
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: with the NIL, with the portal, with free agency every year,

714
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you have any thoughts on

715
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: how to fix it. I think it does affect the

716
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: NFL some because you have fewer underclassmen declaring themselves eligible,

717
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: and maybe some need to stay in school, but some

718
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe would have done pretty well in the NFL, but

719
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: they might do better financially staying an extra year in college.

720
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the whole thing, First of.

721
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 7: All, It's not a mess if you have money, right,

722
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 7: it's if you don't have money that all of a sudden,

723
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 7: it's a mess. I still got contacts all over the

724
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 7: country in collegiate football, and if you're that upper echelon.

725
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 7: Now that there's a separation, now the guys that are

726
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 7: that it's first of all, I coached in major college

727
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 7: football for thirteen years before Mike Dipka hired me.

728
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I could coach in college football right now.

729
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 7: I mean it's a twelve month out of the year

730
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 7: grind job because you not only have to recruit forever,

731
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 7: but you have to continue to recruit to keep them

732
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 7: on your team.

733
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: The NIL I am not.

734
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 7: I'm all for the NIL stuff. And it's the NC

735
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 7: double A. You know, I've always had issues with the

736
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 7: NC double A when I was coaching college they you know,

737
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 7: you talk about you talk about people that are over

738
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 7: officious and things that don't matter, and then all of

739
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 7: a sudden, something that does matter.

740
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 5: They can't make a decision.

741
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 7: And now you've seen what happened just with the lawsuit

742
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 7: that the University of Tennessee and Virginia put together. I mean,

743
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 7: it's over that stuff is over now. So I'm all

744
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 7: for what's going on, but I think sooner or later,

745
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 7: you know, there's gonna.

746
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 5: Have to be some regulation.

747
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 7: But I think the major the major conferences, and we

748
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 7: know sooner or later, guys, there's only gonna be two

749
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 7: or three of them, that's what's gonna be.

750
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: They're gonna have to regulate it. They'll have to regulate it.

751
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 7: Because pretty soon what will happen is and you guys

752
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 7: know this, This league is able to work because there's

753
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 7: a collective bargaining agreement.

754
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 5: Correct, That's why this league can work.

755
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 7: So everybody has got money and everybody's trying to get

756
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 7: but you've got parameters. There are no parameters right now

757
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 7: as far as to what's going on. But as far

758
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 7: as am I for it, I'm all for it. It's

759
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 7: the lower tier schools that are really really hurting. And

760
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 7: talking with those guys I recruited, you know, high school

761
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 7: kids for college for universities for thirteen years. There's a

762
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 7: difference in evaluated as seventeen and eighteen year old and

763
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 7: projecting than there is you know, a nineteen to twenty

764
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 7: year old. What's happening now is basically these smaller schools

765
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 7: our feeder systems now for the bigger schools because they'll

766
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 7: they'll take a chance on a kid out of high school.

767
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: Then they you can watch.

768
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 7: Them develop and all of a sudden, it's easier, you know,

769
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: to profile them and get them into your place. It lessens,

770
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 7: it lessens the risks that you are taking when you're

771
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 7: finding someone that's proven themselves at a lower collegiate level.

772
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 7: So it's it will even itself out. But those those

773
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 7: Power five schools that are the major decision makers, they're

774
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 7: gonna have to regulate it because the NCAA is out

775
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 7: of it.

776
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 6: Coach last one from me, Yeah, from an opponent's perspective,

777
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 6: we had something really cool happened super Bowl week.

778
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: Andre Johnson goes into the Hall of Fame. You know,

779
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: what a stud. What are your thoughts about Andre Johnson?

780
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 6: Just from an opponent's perspective of seeing him twice a year,

781
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 6: Andre Johnson hall of Famer.

782
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: It's great to be able to say that Andre Johnson

783
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: hall of Famer.

784
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 5: What a dude stud? A defensive coach getting ready for

785
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 5: Andre Johnson.

786
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 7: That's one of the first guys who you put up

787
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 7: on the board, you know, on on on Tuesday, when

788
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 7: you start a game planning and then on Wednesday when

789
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 7: you present to a team, this dude, you have to stop.

790
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 7: This dude is a dude. You have to stop whatever

791
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 7: you have to do. You know, lifetime, you know, a

792
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 7: long time defensive coordinator in this league. This would be

793
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 7: a guy.

794
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 5: And it was a guy and he was.

795
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 7: And even with that, to still produce like he did.

796
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 7: I mean, we can still remember, you know, of course

797
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 7: if you remember the row that we had with he

798
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 7: and Courtland Finnegan, you know, will we'd gotten Courtland all

799
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 7: gunned up that week about it, you know, by Andre.

800
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 5: But Andre Johnson was a pro man. He was a

801
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 5: pro and just put it.

802
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 7: And I didn't know him personally, but just seeing and

803
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 7: talking with people a bit, y'all were around him, and

804
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 7: you know, just a legitimate person, legitimate human being.

805
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 5: He is a Hall of Famer and he is now.

806
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 5: But he put together a hall of fame career.

807
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 7: But I've been at this long enough to know there

808
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 7: are some guys that are exceptional and then there are

809
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 7: some guys.

810
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: That are dudes.

811
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: He was a dude.

812
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Former NFL coach TCU Alum Titans radio color commentator, Thanks

813
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: a lot coach.

814
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys.

815
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: You the best. It's always fun with you guys.

816
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: There's our visit with Dave McGuinness, who formerly is the

817
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: head coach of the Arizona Cardinals linebackers coach with Tennessee,

818
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff, including working on the

819
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: Titans radio broadcasts weekly during the season, and of course,

820
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: like we mentioned, working in the USFL and other things.

821
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: So next up, draft evaluation. We know we have John Harris,

822
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: Sorry Johnny, we're gonna we're gonna roam a bit. We've

823
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: got the Wandering Eye or eared today with Jordan Reed

824
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: of ESPN.

825
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: He's a draft evaluator.

826
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: Let's get his thoughts on this class, on last year's class,

827
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: because HiT's very relevant to us. Of course, what he

828
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: thinks of the Texans plans at twenty three, some possibilities

829
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: there and whatever else comes up. That's next here on

830
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: Texans All Access. Back to it here on Texans Radio.

831
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I pointed this out last night, But just so you know,

832
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: the workouts for the combine don't happen right away. In

833
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: other words, you get here early in the week. Teams

834
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: are interviewing players, we're interviewing people in the media and

835
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: coaches and GMS. We heard from Nick Cassio earlier this hour,

836
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: heard from Damico Ryans last night. That whole conversation is

837
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: up on Houston Texans dot com, Spotify, iTunes, wherever you

838
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: get podcasts in Tuesday's episode of Texans All Access, and

839
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: parts of it will be up on Texans three sixty

840
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, ABC thirteen. That'll be available on YouTube

841
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: as well, as you know. I like to promote things anyway.

842
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: Player workouts getting started now as we entered the later

843
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: in the week period, and we don't really focus on

844
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: those as much as what's going on around the league.

845
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: What are the likely scenarios and maybe far fetched scenarios

846
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans in free agency and the draft,

847
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: things like that. Well, we're about to hear from a

848
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: draft evaluator. Not you, Harris, We've trayed. We've got to ESPN.

849
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Reed, draft analyst for ESPN formerly of the Draft Network,

850
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: played college football at North Carolina Central. Let's let him

851
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: tell the story. As we catch up with Jordan from ESPN, Jordan,

852
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: how's it going.

853
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 8: It is great to be here. I'm so excited. This

854
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 8: is like Christmas time. For me being around the combine,

855
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 8: being around these draft prospects and just realizing that they're

856
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 8: reaching their dreams.

857
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: All right, before we get into the nitty gritty here,

858
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: when did you know you wanted to get into this?

859
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Because you played at North Carolina Central, you coached as well,

860
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: you started to get into the draft evaluation.

861
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: How did all that go for you leading up to ESPN?

862
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 8: That's the first question everybody asked me when talking about ESPN,

863
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 8: and I kind of just fail into the media space.

864
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 8: I was a player for four years at North Carolina

865
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 8: Central from twenty ten to twenty thirteen. Went right into

866
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 8: coaching after that, so I did the graduate assistant route

867
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 8: and then to full time assistant coach at Central. But

868
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 8: in twenty eighteen, I had a family. So I had

869
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 8: twin daughters. They're actually starting kindergarten this year. Some time

870
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 8: is going fast, and I wanted to be there. I

871
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 8: wanted to be the family man, and I wanted to

872
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Speaker 8: get into journalism. That's something that I'd never been able

873
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Speaker 8: to take serious, just because I was so focused on

874
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 8: my playing career sure and then my coaching career. So

875
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Speaker 8: I wanted to figure out a way to combine my

876
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Speaker 8: love for writing, my love for the NFL draft and

877
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 8: the course of football as well. So took a chance,

878
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 8: started a Twitter account, started posting voiceover clips talking about prospects,

879
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 8: strengths and weaknesses, and then it just took off for

880
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Speaker 8: me after that, and I worked for a small company

881
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 8: called the Draft Network. I worked there for two years

882
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 8: and then ESPN came out of nowhere and they hired

883
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Speaker 8: me right after that.

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Speaker 2: Awesome Jordan Reid a ESPN joining us.

885
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Speaker 1: So, as you evaluate prospects, and I work with John Harris,

886
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: who does a lot of work in this area as well.

887
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: As you evaluate prospects, you got to go back and

888
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: look right, how did I do?

889
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: Was I right? Was I Ryan luck? Everybody in the NFL.

890
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what the batting average is or a

891
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: good one, But how do you go about that, the

892
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: evaluation and refining.

893
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: What you do well.

894
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 8: I think you hit the nail on the head and

895
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 8: it kind of is like a batting average. If you're

896
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 8: getting thirty to thirty five percent right, you're probably pretty

897
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 8: good at this draft stuff. You're never gonna get fifty

898
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 8: percent or anything above that, unless you're like the Texans.

899
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 8: You're just knocking it out the park every single year.

900
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 8: But I think when you're talking about evaluating this prospects,

901
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 8: whether you fail or you hit on a prospect, you

902
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 8: want to take little bits and pieces of information from

903
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 8: what you got wrong or maybe what you got right,

904
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 8: just so you're not making those same mistakes twice on

905
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 8: a prospect year after year.

906
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Jordan, what did you think of CJ.

907
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: Stroud going into last year's draft and how it's working

908
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: out for him so far?

909
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 8: I mean, I love CJ coming out him and Bryce.

910
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 8: I did have Bryce one, I will say that, but

911
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 8: I had CJ two right after that. And just the

912
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 8: traits that CJ showed at Ohio State. You talk about

913
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 8: how cerebral he is, his leadership is accuracy, and just

914
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 8: how pro ready he was at Ohio State, and you

915
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 8: saw that translating now. I don't think anybody saw this

916
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 8: type year coming from CJ. Stroud as far as having

917
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 8: arguably the best rookie season ever for a quarterback, but

918
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 8: as far as the traits and just how pro ready

919
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 8: he was at Ohio State, I thought he was the

920
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 8: best from pro ready standpoint.

921
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: All right, what about Richardson going in and I know

922
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: he didn't play much, but he played some and we

923
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: saw some good things from him.

924
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: What about moving ahead?

925
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I loved him when he was coming out,

926
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 8: and you talk about the traits that he did have

927
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 8: and just the arm strength that he has. You saw

928
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 8: it a lot of times at Florida, But the sample

929
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 8: size wasn't huge as far as a starter. Only started

930
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 8: thirteen games when he was coming out as a rookie,

931
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Speaker 8: So it was just the sample size that worried you

932
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 8: about him. But the traits, I mean, we saw it

933
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 8: here last year. He had the best combine for a

934
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 8: quarterback last year. So he just needed to go and

935
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 8: be paired with somebody that was able to get all

936
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 8: those traits out of him. Just because the sample size

937
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 8: was so small, and then he basically is a baby

938
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 8: at the position, he didn't have a lot of reps.

939
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Reed works the draft for ESPN. Jordan sign Texans Radio.

940
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Speaker 1: All Right, a couple of more quarterback questions relative to

941
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: this year because Caleb Williams. Obviously everybody's on firing for

942
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. I know you get asked about him all

943
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: the time. What are your thoughts coming into this one

944
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: and who do you have too behind him? If you

945
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: have him number one, I don't want to presume.

946
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah I do.

947
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Speaker 8: He's actually my second rinked overall player in the draft.

948
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 8: He's my top ranked quarterback in Arvin Harrison number one. Yes,

949
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 8: I'm a big Marvin fan. I think he's the best

950
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 8: player in the draft. But just speaking on Caleb, we

951
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 8: talk about a lot of those translatable traits with CJ.

952
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 8: You see a lot of those translatable traits in Caleb

953
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 8: as far as him being able to win inside and

954
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 8: outside of the pocket, the arm strength, the accuracy, and

955
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 8: there are some things that he does need to clean up.

956
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 8: He does a lot of what I call Sandlott football,

957
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 8: where he's just playing in the backyard, running around and

958
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 8: just trying to make plays, but there are some variables

959
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 8: behind that.

960
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: Just because of the defense giving up.

961
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 8: Thirty five to forty points a game, he felt as

962
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 8: if he had to make plays all the time. But

963
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 8: when he does settle down, he does make plays inside

964
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 8: the pocket. But we just need to see that more consistently.

965
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 8: We didn't see that enough from him last season, just

966
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 8: because that superman mode was always an overdrive with him.

967
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 8: So whether it's the Bears or whoever does select him,

968
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 8: with the number one overall pick. I think we're going

969
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 8: to see more of what we saw during his Heisman campaign.

970
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Speaker 2: Then you're like, who after that quarterback? Wise Drake May?

971
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 5: Yeah?

972
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: I like Drake May.

973
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 8: He's my second ranked quarterback and once again, prototypical size,

974
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 8: six foot four, two hundred and thirty pounds, very powerful, arm,

975
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 8: really accurate, but his lower half and his lower body

976
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 8: does need to be more consistent. And there are some

977
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 8: frustrating things with Drake, but he has about five or

978
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: six plays a game of where he reminds you of

979
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 8: why he's getting these Josh Allen and Justin Herbert comparisons,

980
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 8: just because he has those physical traits that you'd love

981
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Speaker 8: to see at the position.

982
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Speaker 1: All Right, So the Texans pick twenty third. I know

983
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: that's getting down there. And when we project these things,

984
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: nobody knows about trades, how that's going to affect things

985
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: and needs. We know some things about that, but free

986
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: agency is gonna tell us a whole lot more. But

987
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: let's just say, can you give me a defensive lineman

988
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: one or two guys who might be available there that

989
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: they might be interested in two lot too. A popular

990
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: mocked player to the Texans at twenty three. What do

991
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: you think overall there?

992
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think probably two or three of those

993
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 8: top three guys probably will be gone, whether it's Jared Vers,

994
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 8: Leatu Lasu or Dallas Turner. So cross your fingers. They

995
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 8: could be there at twenty three, but I wouldn't put

996
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 8: my hopes into any of those guys being there. So

997
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 8: now we're getting into that second tier of rushers. Whether

998
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 8: it's a Chop Robinson of Penn State, I think he

999
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 8: would be a really good pairing alongside Will Anderson Junior.

1000
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Speaker 8: One name I think is really gonna climb boards is

1001
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 8: a desa Isaac from Penn State. So he's one name.

1002
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 8: Maybe not at twenty three, but if they trade back

1003
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 8: and look to pick a player late first or early

1004
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 8: second round, those are two players the Penn State duo

1005
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Speaker 8: I think will be a really good pairing.

1006
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Speaker 1: Jordan Reid a ESPN joining us. As you watch the

1007
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: combine drills, does that affect your preparation?

1008
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Speaker 2: We talked to GMS.

1009
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: They get to interview the players for a long time.

1010
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: They get those twenty minute sessions. We'd all love those.

1011
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: You get to see a little podium and maybe that

1012
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: gives you something, But you tell me, do your evaluations

1013
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: get adjusted based on some things you've seen here?

1014
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 8: Well, it wouldn't change what I would say about the combine.

1015
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 8: He is use it to confirm or deny what you

1016
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 8: saw on tape. So if a receiver has some drop

1017
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 8: issues and they do struggle on tape when they're going

1018
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 8: through the gauntlet drill and they're going through these routes

1019
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 8: with the quarterbacks, are they struggling to catch the ball?

1020
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 8: They double catching it, just so that confirms what you

1021
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 8: saw on film and why they struggle catching the ball

1022
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 8: with defensive acts. Another great example of if they have

1023
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 8: smooth transitions, do they have fluid hips on tape? Does

1024
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 8: that match what we saw during the position on drill.

1025
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 8: So really use the combine to confirm or deny what

1026
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 8: you saw on tape.

1027
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: That is excellent stuff, Jordan. We really appreciate you joining us.

1028
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

1029
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Speaker 4: Thank you.

1030
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: As always, there's Jordan Reid of ESPN.

1031
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Speaker 1: You can read this stuff on ESPN dot com and

1032
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: see him on their coverage. But when the draft arrives,

1033
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: just listen to us here on Texans Radio with Johnny

1034
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Harris doing all sixteen hours of draft coverage and I

1035
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: will do something like twelve plus something like that. In

1036
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: the next couple of days, I'm the combine you're gonna

1037
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: hear from, among others, Greg co Sell of NFL Films,

1038
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: rhtt Lewis of NFL Network, Andrew Ceciliano of NFL Network,

1039
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: and more guests than that. So stay tuned the next

1040
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: couple of days, stay tuned to this very station because

1041
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: coming up it's Area forty five with Sean and Patrick.

1042
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Don't miss it. Have a great night, Go Texas.