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Speaker 1: for listening to The Herd podcast. Here we go, it's

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Speaker 1: our two and a Thursday, Greg Cosell, less than five minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, We're in Chicago, Jmat.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag made his NBAW last night. Nobody's talking about

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Speaker 1: it because Wemby went forty points in a thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: We played Cooper Flagg the duke kid. He's reduced to

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Speaker 1: the duke kid now ten points, ten rebounds while.

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Speaker 2: He started like ho for two and a half with

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Speaker 2: like zero in one assists as a starting point guard Colens.

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Speaker 3: Did you notice it?

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Speaker 1: Years ago? There was a show that started called Succession.

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Speaker 1: First two or three episodes wonky, people like what is this?

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Speaker 1: Middle late of season one, everybody went it was a

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Speaker 1: good show here, two, three, four, five and win an Emmys.

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Speaker 3: I see what we're doing here?

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Speaker 1: Stuff you gotta let it bake.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, speaking of baking, one bin Yama,

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Speaker 2: I mean remember last year we ripped him for taking

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Speaker 2: all those three pointers. Yeah, well now we know why

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Speaker 2: he wasn't shooting him because he.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't strong enough.

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Speaker 2: He now looks like a totally different human. Colin I'm

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Speaker 2: still in awe of what I saw last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Cooper flag number one, he reclassified. He should

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Speaker 1: be a freshman. At Duke. Number two is Dallas asked

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Speaker 1: him to play point guard. He's a wing. Number three

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Speaker 1: is he was guarded mostly by Stefan Castle of the

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Speaker 1: Spurs All rookie team, great defender and number four. He

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Speaker 1: was probably nervous, right, so judging him is like judging

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Speaker 1: a restaurant on opening night. You're still trying to work

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Speaker 1: out the kings. So again, at Duke, he also had

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Speaker 1: two All acc guards who are now in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: so he didn't have to initiate offense, and they asked

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Speaker 1: him to do that against Tafon Castle. So it's just

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Speaker 1: point guard and wing in the NBA are two different positions. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't sho heo tawny last night, hitting three bombs

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Speaker 1: and striking out ten and six innings. He's going to

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Speaker 1: be a great player. Dallas got overwhelmed. They don't have

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. Wemby is unstoppable this point going forward. And

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Speaker 1: here was Jason Kidd on Cooper Flag's performance.

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Speaker 4: He played well. Not aline stat line is not going

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Speaker 4: to say that, but no one in this room is

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Speaker 4: sitting in that and his shoes. And so I think

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Speaker 4: he again, as a rookie, define the way that he plays.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to sit here and change his thought process.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be one of the best players to

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Speaker 4: play this game. So for him to see as a

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Speaker 4: rookie how they're playing him, to be able to go

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Speaker 4: back and watch the tape because he's going to see

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Speaker 4: it again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be fine. Some things need to bake,

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Speaker 1: give the restaurant a couple of weeks to work out

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Speaker 1: the kings. He's going to be fine. And with that

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Speaker 1: forty six years NFL films, it is a Thursday at

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Speaker 1: second hour. It's Greg Cosel. I want to go immediately

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Speaker 1: because the game that I thought was so compelling was

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Speaker 1: I have been a bo Knicks fan, I don't think

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Speaker 1: do think between Courtland, Sutton and Mims they have deep

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Speaker 1: it's been clunky. How do you view bow Knicks watching

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Speaker 5: I think, quite frankly, Colin, this has been an up

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Speaker 6: It's been very uneven.

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Speaker 5: There are times I watch their pass game and I

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Speaker 5: just feel like we're not seeing Nicks the same way

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart's playing with a ton of confidence. What are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that staff's doing a really good job,

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Speaker 5: frenetic and chaotic, he tends to move. The play we

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Speaker 5: just saw is obviously a coverage breakdown, but his legs

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Speaker 6: The concern you.

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Speaker 5: to have to learn. He's going to have to learn

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Speaker 5: that it's very difficult to play this way all the

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Speaker 5: I'm curious to see as he develops. I mean, just

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Speaker 5: certainly hasn't played as much as Drake May has.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Drake May. So he's on a bit of

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Speaker 5: Well, I think one thing, And by the way, I've

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Speaker 5: always been a big believer that when you have a

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Speaker 5: has a resume in the league. You don't want a

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Speaker 5: But I think two things with Drake May have really

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Speaker 5: This showed up on his college tape. I think his

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Speaker 6: It's been very, very good.

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Speaker 5: The other thing that I think stands out on film

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Speaker 5: I think is essential for a quarterback is pocket movement.

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Speaker 6: Not scrambling, not.

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Speaker 5: Running out of the pocket, Colin, but playing within the pocket.

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Speaker 5: Let's say the size of smaller than a boxing ring,

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Speaker 5: but where you move within, you step up, you slide right,

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Speaker 5: you slide left, you climb. I think he's done that really,

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Speaker 5: really well. And the trade that goes with that that's

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Speaker 5: critical is keeping your eyes up. You don't drop your

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Mahomes, a veteran quarterback. I was talking

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Speaker 1: Rice Hollywood Brown is a little twitchy, and I think

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is smart enough to say a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me the Niners about three years ago with

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Speaker 1: Debo and Kittle, and McCaffrey just get the ball out. Sure,

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Speaker 1: and I watch Mahomes and he seems very intentional. He

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Speaker 1: wants to get that puppy out fast. That's what it

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Speaker 5: Well, it's funny you say that, because that's exactly what

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Speaker 5: I've been thinking watching him the last number of weeks.

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Speaker 5: And so very often what I do call and is

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Speaker 5: I watch tape and I see something, and then I

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Speaker 5: check a stat I never start with the stats. I

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Speaker 5: always want to start with the tape. And so I'm

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Speaker 5: noticing as I watch tape that, boy, this offense looks

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Speaker 5: really rhythmic, which it has and always, as you well know,

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Speaker 5: we've discussed that over the years. And so I looked

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Speaker 5: up from snap to throw he's number one in the league,

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Speaker 6: Wow, So what you see.

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Speaker 5: Is correct, and what I saw on tape is correct.

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Speaker 5: All of a sudden, this pass game is very rhythmic,

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Speaker 5: and I think Rice will only help that because Rice

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Speaker 1: Speaking to Niners, I think Shanahan could be coach of

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Speaker 1: the year. Totally resourceful. No Kittle McCaffrey have thirty touches

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Speaker 1: come back. Deebo's now a commander. Mac Jones actually sneaky

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Speaker 1: as much as Perty. When you look at their offense today,

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Speaker 1: they've had to be very resourceful. I mean, Bosa, sure

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Speaker 1: fun green Law, they're doing the most of what they have.

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Speaker 1: What is their offense right now in San Francisco? What

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: I think they wanted to be run first, which always

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Speaker 5: is the way Kyle Shanahan starts. And I thought last

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Speaker 5: week was a great example. Because you have to beat

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Speaker 5: your opponent every week. Obviously you have an overriding philosophy.

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Speaker 6: You've heard really good offensive coaches talk about that.

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Speaker 5: I've heard Sean mcvagh talk about that, But then you

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Speaker 5: also script that philosophy to your opponent. And last week

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Speaker 5: against Atlanta, not a big front, they ran the ball

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Speaker 5: inside and it was their best running performance of the season.

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Speaker 5: Sixty five percent of McCaffrey's runs were inside between the tackles.

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Speaker 5: And do not discount the impact that George Kittle makes

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Speaker 6: Let's say he's playside, because.

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Speaker 5: What I noticed watching the film cap even when he

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Speaker 6: That allowed them to.

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Speaker 5: Do double team on the inside and move people on

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Speaker 5: the inside. And McCaffrey obviously had the big game. He

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Speaker 5: he's got over five hundred yards receiving already, so he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about Dallas. We got into

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Speaker 1: These are accusations. The coach, Chauncey billups in Portland temporary leave.

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Speaker 1: Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, top of Next Hour. I watched

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Speaker 1: When he's not, like last night, it can be a

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Speaker 1: bit clunky and they have to rely on og or

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Speaker 1: Bridges or cat to take over early in the fourth.

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Speaker 1: That's what they are. They're good, and that's good enough

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Speaker 1: probably in the East, to get into the conference finals

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Speaker 1: if they're healthy. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 8: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the NFL and the Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. One of the better stories the first quarter

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Speaker 2: of the season.

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Speaker 11: Here.

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Speaker 2: Colin took a tough loss against Detroit on Monday Night football.

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Speaker 2: But man, I'm looking at that injury report. Oh boy,

448
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: it's not looking good against the Saints this weekend. Baker

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Speaker 2: Mayfield has chimed in on letting the media know what

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Speaker 2: he thinks about the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we

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Speaker 1: play them. It's a physical game. It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: You expected division rival. Yeah, I like that. He just

454
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Speaker 1: throws it out there. They're cheap shot artists.

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Speaker 2: Well, remember Lattimore and Evans used to go out it.

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Speaker 2: But Latimore has been shipped out of town. He's not

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Speaker 2: there anymore. By the way, Mike Evans obviously out. Sounds

458
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Speaker 2: like he's gonna miss almost the entire season. Godwin not

459
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Speaker 2: back yet. He came back briefly, they got hurt again

460
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Speaker 2: at Bucky Irving. My guy who carries me in fantasy,

461
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Speaker 2: gonna miss again. I mean, I thought Tampa Bay would

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Speaker 2: be the side here. Anything from you on this Buck Saints, No, I.

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Speaker 1: Think the lines about right. If Tampa was healthy, I

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Speaker 1: think they'd work them. It's not a great slate this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I've had really back to back great weeks, and it's

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Speaker 1: not a great numbers week. It's a lot of crossing

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Speaker 1: your fingers. I like a lot of favorites this week,

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Speaker 1: but the favorites I like are beat up. So I

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Speaker 1: do not think this is a good week for numbers.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Saturday is a much better week.

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Speaker 1: Last two weeks, I've eaten it up four and one,

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Speaker 1: four and one. I don't like the numbers. There's two games

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Speaker 1: I like a lot. So it's just one of those

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Speaker 1: where you watch tonight. I'll look at the injury report.

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Speaker 1: You cross your fingers on Sunday, guys are healthy, I

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Speaker 1: may take Tampa. I'll just wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, you toss out Thursday night and toss out Monday.

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Speaker 2: Since it's a ten and a half twelve and a

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Speaker 2: half points, so now you're down basically to eleven games

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Speaker 2: because there's six teams on a buy and I like

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Speaker 2: two numbers. I'll have to wait for them. You haven't

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Speaker 2: told me, because you know, you keep this stuff close

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Speaker 2: to the vest when you're running hot, when you're cold.

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Speaker 3: You're asking me for advice. But anyways, let's go to

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Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 2: Colin and the Minnesota Vikings, the best gritty in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, he's having a great start to his career.

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Speaker 2: Crazy number here, he's played with eight different quarterbacks. Justin

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Speaker 2: Jefferson enters Thursday Night Football needing just forty to surpass

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Speaker 2: Julio Jones as the fastest player to reach eight thousand

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Speaker 2: receiving yards. Julio did an eighty five. Jefferson playing in

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Speaker 2: his eighty fourth tonight. Somehow the Chargers are taking money here.

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Speaker 2: This was three most of the week, now three and

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Speaker 2: a half. Yeah, I don't have much here. I got

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Speaker 2: a couple buddies going to the game, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know that this is even that interesting of a game.

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Speaker 2: If it was McCarthy against Harball, I would be into it.

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Speaker 2: But this Carson Wentz experience. Man, we talked about it yesterday.

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Speaker 3: This is not a good quarterback right.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the Chargers are just a shadow of what

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Speaker 1: they would be. Is you're really getting sort of the

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Speaker 1: B team offensively, and you can't ask any quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this league, including Mahomes, to throw it fifty five times

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Speaker 1: a game. It's just not fair, that's not I've said

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Speaker 1: this with Mahomes, I'll give you thirty three throws a game.

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Speaker 1: With most quarterbacks in the NFL, including Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: like guys who are getting going to get Pro Bowl consideration,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight times a game is about what you want

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Speaker 1: your quarterback throwing. If they're throwing thirty eight, that means

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Speaker 1: you trail. If you're throwing forty eight, it means you're desperate.

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Speaker 1: So asking him to throw closer to fifty eight throws

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Speaker 1: and fifty six throws and fifty five throws, that tells

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Speaker 1: you Harbor doesn't want to do that. Harbaugh go back

514
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Speaker 1: to JJ McCarthy at Michigan. He rarely went an entire

515
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Speaker 1: half where he didn't throw the ball at all. So

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Speaker 1: they're playing a game they don't want to play right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we still the Hampton's not back this

518
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Speaker 2: Joe Alt stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm almost sick of reading about it.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say I think the dog have been barking

521
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Speaker 2: on Thursday Night football this season. Remember last week obviously,

522
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Speaker 2: uh Bengals beat the Steelers, So just just be careful

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Speaker 2: before laying it with the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Final story.

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Speaker 2: Can let's go to a little NFL beef? We need

526
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Speaker 2: more of these, They're fun. Yesterday we broke down the

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton wore of words with Russell Wilson. Russ jumped

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Speaker 2: on social media to call Peyton's comments classless.

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Speaker 3: Invoking the bounty Gate scandal, which always cuts deep.

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Speaker 2: Well, now Sean Payton is backtracked from his comments and saying,

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Speaker 2: my bad, it was taken out of context.

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Speaker 12: That was strictly about dark I mean, and that was

533
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Speaker 12: in no way, shape or form anything that was.

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Speaker 3: Directed at Russ.

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Speaker 12: So and I might be able to see how he

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Speaker 12: might perceive that, but coming off that win and watching

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Speaker 12: how he played, yeah, that that wasn't any intention at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I said that. Not really, They're just different. They're

539
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Speaker 1: just different personalities and that's okay. I mean, one guy's

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Speaker 1: hot wire, he's raw, and it's like the Lebron Westbrook

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Speaker 1: thing we talked about, the mistake is by the front

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Speaker 1: office of the Lakers. Those are two different personalities totally.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's more calculated and measured. He's got great self awareness

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Speaker 1: when it comes to basketball, and you know, Westbrook's going

545
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Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. Russell Westbrook would admit that,

546
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Speaker 1: has admitted that he plays the way he plays, and

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Speaker 1: they're just not complimentary players and their personalities are different,

548
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Speaker 1: and so we always blame the player, you know, and

549
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Speaker 1: like sometimes it's the front office. I think when Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton took that job, my take was, Oh, that Russell

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Speaker 1: thing's not going to work. Knowing both of them a

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Speaker 1: little bit, I'm like, that's not gonna work. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just, yeah, listen, I've had to work with people

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Speaker 1: that I don't connect with. Just take the high road,

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Speaker 1: don't punch down, move on. I think if if Sean

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Speaker 1: could have taken that back, he probably would have. But

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Speaker 1: he's just he's wrang. Sewan's gonna tell you what he thinks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping that.

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Speaker 8: The herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell Chris Simms. Today, Dave Roberts, Dodgers manager, I

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Speaker 1: talked about this. I think Toronto's a tough matchup for

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers because Toronto scores runs and hits the ball

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Speaker 1: and gets on base. I thought that about Milwaukee. Toronto's

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Speaker 1: a more talented version of Milwaukee with Lad Guerrero and

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Speaker 1: George Springer, who's, you know, one of the great clutch

568
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Speaker 1: hitters the last ten years in baseball postseason clutch hitters.

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Speaker 1: So Dave Roberts will join us. But it is interesting,

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Speaker 1: as somebody who spent a lot of time in California

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Speaker 1: over the last eight nine years, there's this animosity toward

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and I'm like, I can remember when I

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Speaker 1: lived out East and worked for the other place. The

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Speaker 1: Yankees and Red Sox owned the offseason, and it was

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Speaker 1: considered elevating baseball. Oh, what a joyful more Red Sox

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Speaker 1: the Yankees again battling for the pennant. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: a problem with it. It was fun. It was fun

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Speaker 1: to be part of it. I would come home every

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Speaker 1: day workout and my little home gym, turned the TV

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Speaker 1: on and watch talk radio and sports radio talking about

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Speaker 1: the Yankees. And the Red Sox, and it felt like

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Speaker 1: Duke Caroline and basketball or Raven Steelers rivalry ten years

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. But everybody now, just like people fear

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Speaker 1: what they think is pulling away from them in society

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Speaker 1: and business in life, they hate what they fear. And

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Speaker 1: I think the feeling is with the LA economy and

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00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: the attractive weather. It's one thing if New York is

588
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Speaker 1: winning and overpaying for it, everybody in New York, even

589
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Speaker 1: the rich, have to sacrifice. But in La, if you're rich,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the weather's perfect, the economy's good,

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00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean. There's a little bit of anti California

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00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: sentiment about everything, their politics, their sports. And it would

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Speaker 1: be much easier to hate the Dodgers if they had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of jerks, or if they had a bunch

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Speaker 1: of egos, or they were doing what the Astros did,

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Speaker 1: or they were the Kardashians flashing their wealth. But I

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00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: said this, Max Munsey got cut by the A's and

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00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I think he's the all time postseason home run leader

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Speaker 1: in Dodger history, like ahead of Steve Garvey. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't, I mean, you're Colin, you lived

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Speaker 1: in California. You you I'm just telling you knowing people

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Speaker 1: that cover them. When you see the guys around town,

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: they're just guys, They're just just it's funny.

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Speaker 11: In La.

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Speaker 1: The sports stars are very chill. Matt Stafford's chill. La

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Speaker 1: Kings are chill. The Dodgers, the Rams, uh. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's an unlikable team. Astros, I got it. Some

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Speaker 1: Yankee teams, I get it. Coming up next? Is it

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Speaker 1: leadership talent? What is it with Aaron and the Steelers?

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Speaker 1: I've got to take next third.

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 8: and newon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 8: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, the World Series begins on Fox as Shoe Otani

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Speaker 2: and the reigning champion Dodgers take on the lad Junior

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Speaker 2: in the Blue Jays. Game one of the World Series.

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Speaker 2: Coverage begins tomorrow, seven Eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Dodgers are nine and one in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Milwaukee Series was shocking. The Brewers hit

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Speaker 1: one eighteen. That's not gonna happen with Toronto. But it's

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Speaker 1: a historic run. And if the Dodgers win, they officially

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Speaker 1: classify as a dynasty. And what's scary for everybody else

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Speaker 1: is Roki and Yoshi uh and Otani hasn't even played

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Speaker 1: particularly well and most of the postseason Mookie Betts is

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Speaker 1: in his prime. They got some older guys, for sure,

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Speaker 1: but it's a lot of these players are young and

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Speaker 1: not even in their prime yet. By the way, on

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Speaker 1: the gambling story with the FBI, the way I look

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Speaker 1: at all of this stuff, the reality of a free

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Speaker 1: society is it allows people to make really poor choices.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to live in a society with

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Speaker 1: perpetual stop signs. If you can't monitor your eating and

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Speaker 1: your alcohol and your cannabis and you're gambling, many of

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Speaker 1: us can, most of us. So when you live in

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Speaker 1: a society with the freedoms and the liberties that America has,

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Speaker 1: it does allow a lot of poor choices. Don't make them, Okay,

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Speaker 1: That's how I look at all this stuff. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to live in a rigid society or a society

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Speaker 1: that's constantly telling me you can't do that, Nor do

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Speaker 1: I want to be friends with people who are precious

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Speaker 1: and idealistic and unrealistic. I had a cocktail. Last night,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have two. I had a beautiful dinner and

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Speaker 1: a cocktail, and then I put it down and watch

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Speaker 1: the NBA for the next two hours. And I feel

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00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: bad for people that make poor choices. But this is

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Speaker 1: the downside to being in a society that'll have so

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Speaker 1: many freedoms and opportunities. People screw themselves up. People do

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Speaker 1: not do a good job of managing themselves. Not all people,

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Speaker 1: maybe not a majority of people, but as we this

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Speaker 1: morning with the FBI story, plenty of people. Okay, So

651
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Speaker 1: I saw a headline today. Aaron Rodgers is a different

652
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Speaker 1: kind of leader. One the Steelers needed, maloney. He's competent.

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Speaker 1: That's all this offense is about. Aaron's competent. Go back

654
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: to Big Ben twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. Do you

655
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Speaker 1: remember those teams. They couldn't run the ball, and I

656
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Speaker 1: remember a lot of punts. Then they pivoted to Kenny

657
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Speaker 1: Pickett twenty two and twenty three. They couldn't pass the ball,

658
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Speaker 1: and I remember a lot of punts. And then they

659
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Speaker 1: pivoted to Justin Fields and Russell Wilson last year, and

660
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Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything, and they were atrocious in the

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Speaker 1: red zone. This team is good in the red zone better,

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Speaker 1: and they're pretty good on third down, and they run

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Speaker 1: it a little better and they don't throw it down

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Speaker 1: the field a ton. But they're just competent. This is

665
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Speaker 1: not about leadership. It's about a grown up who's been around.

666
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Speaker 1: Aaron moves better than people give him credit for. He's

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Speaker 1: doing a good job of using the size of his

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Speaker 1: top four targets. And that's what this really is. It's

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Speaker 1: his passer rating right now. One to five is the

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Speaker 1: highest for any Steeler quarterback ever. So old Big Ben

671
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Speaker 1: it was ugly. They couldn't run, and then Canny Pickett

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Speaker 1: that was ugly. They couldn't pass. Last year, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: do anything. In fact, the two quarterbacks they let go

674
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Speaker 1: up from last year are zero and nine this year.

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Speaker 1: And Mike Tomlin won ten games with the guys last year.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Tomlin just needed competency. It's not about leadership.

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Speaker 1: Aaron makes good decisions. He still moves, okay, he really does.

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Speaker 1: He's not Drake may Or, he's not bow Nicks. He

679
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Speaker 1: moves fine, and he's confident and he loves football and

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Speaker 1: he talks football, and Mike Tomlin addresses that.

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Speaker 7: He loved it. It's who he is. He loves the process,

682
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Speaker 7: he loves the talk ball, he loves to educate his

683
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Speaker 7: teammates to get on the same page. He doesn't tire

684
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Speaker 7: in terms of seeking resolution to issues. It's just a

685
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Speaker 7: lot of good things about him, other than obviously his

686
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Speaker 7: physical talents and skills that have been really impressive. And again,

687
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Speaker 7: as I mentioned, not that I'm not shocked, not that

688
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Speaker 7: I'm shocked by it, but it's still highly appreciated.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I worry about, I mean Aaron Rodgers

690
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: at this point is precious cargo. Like when he makes

691
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Speaker 1: a great play. Please, if you're a three hundred and

692
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Speaker 1: forty pound lineman Broderick Jones, please don't rush over and

693
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Speaker 1: tackle Aaron Rodgers. And it's like one of those packages

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Speaker 1: you said, and you know you put the ribbon around

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Speaker 1: it like fragile. Aaron talked about that.

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Speaker 11: The only tackle I had the other night was Broderick.

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Speaker 11: So better than that, I'm feeling pretty good. Rod is

698
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Speaker 11: always the first one to come find me after a play.

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Speaker 11: It could be like the first big pass down to

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Speaker 11: DK on third down, He's coming and dapping me up

701
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Speaker 11: and what you don't see in the video is right

702
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Speaker 11: after the throw, he's coming order me and shaking me

703
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Speaker 11: and shaking me, and like I text him, I said, man,

704
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Speaker 11: I love your energy. Yes, I love everything you're about.

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Speaker 11: We also, I'm forty one. Okay, you can't be out

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Speaker 11: there and tackling me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bit precious Cargo. I actually love the

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Speaker 1: Steelers in this spot this weekend. This is one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite numbers that's come down. And the reason I

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Speaker 1: like it is because Mike Tomlin as an underdog at home,

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Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, Aaron, you know, he wants to

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Speaker 1: play well against the Packers and Green Bay's playing with

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Speaker 1: their food. They haven't been overly impressive, even though the

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Speaker 1: Colts and the Packers are the only teams with only

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Speaker 1: one loss. So it's a great spot. I think it's

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Speaker 1: one of the real entertaining games of the week. I

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Speaker 1: think the two games I really want to watch. I

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Speaker 1: think this game is interesting. I think if Lamar Jackson plays,

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Speaker 1: we can look at the schedule. I think if Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson plays, that game of the Bears is really really interesting.

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Speaker 1: And and I'll say this, I think the Giants at

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia is interesting. The Giants are real. What you're seeing

723
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Speaker 1: with the Giants is not a mirage. Sometimes in February September,

724
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Speaker 1: when the weather's good, teams look real, glossy and speedy

725
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Speaker 1: and quick in front. Miami Dolphins do that, but then October, November, December,

726
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Speaker 1: it gets cold. You got to run the football, you

727
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Speaker 1: need pass protection, your quarterback needs to have a stronger arm,

728
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Speaker 1: and they kind of regress. I think the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants are real, and I think they'll get Philadelphia a

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Speaker 1: real game. I think Jackson Dart has been surprising. It

731
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Speaker 1: is not a great It is not a great schedule

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Speaker 1: this weekend. There are a lot of quarterbacks hurt. But

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Speaker 1: I just read this from Jeff Zriebeek. He's a reporter.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is practicing second straight day. Seem to be

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Speaker 1: working at a similar rate as of yesterday. So I

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Speaker 1: think that the Chicago Bears have won four straight Jay Mack,

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Speaker 1: and they've been beating kind of the dregs of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: This would be an impressive win. Baltimore's getting healthy. I

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Speaker 1: will say this, and we talked about it earlier, because

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Speaker 1: there's a microscope on Caleb Williams. If you look at

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Speaker 1: his first six games with Ben Johnson and Jared goff

742
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Speaker 1: in Detroit's first six games, and Detroit had Piney Suwel

743
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Speaker 1: an amor on Saint Brown and a very good old line.

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Speaker 1: It's the same. The difference is we didn't watch golf early.

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Speaker 1: We're watching Caleb. I think it's a really good game.

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Speaker 1: I think the numbers inflated. Do you think with a

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Speaker 1: healthy Ravens team and the one thing they have that

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Speaker 1: Chicago is four and two, of course they want to win.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore feels like they have to win the next five

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Speaker 1: games they play. That's why I like the Ravens here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: It seems like the Bears are getting not only just lucky,

753
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Speaker 2: but the turnovers are breaking their way. They have like

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Speaker 2: thirteen turnovers plus thirteen in the last four games, like

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Speaker 2: come on and the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: They fa Spencer Rattler.

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00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels in the Rain, the Immortal Geno Smith, and

758
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: then Dak Prescott in the game Ceedee Lamb went down

759
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: and if you remember, they had like two or three turnovers.

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Speaker 3: I believe in the red zone in that game the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys did. So I'm with you. I like the Ravens. Colin,

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Speaker 3: you're making me nervous here.

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Speaker 11: Man.

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Speaker 3: You're on a and you don't like the games.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not seeing stuff you like this weekend,

766
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Speaker 2: what are the rest of us gonna do?

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Speaker 3: And I'm not with you on Pittsburgh though.

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Speaker 2: I don't see what you're seeing there besides the Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin as an underdog at home. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I will say this about Caleb Williams is he has

771
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Speaker 1: been under such a microscope. When he replaced Spencer rattleryd Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: I remember the game and you're like, oh my god,

773
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: this kid is really special. And then he goes to

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Speaker 1: USC and he just he puts up huge numbers. Then

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Speaker 1: he goes to Chicago and I think he's getting better.

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Speaker 1: I think it doesn't always look pretty. And I tend

777
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Speaker 1: to watch quarterbacks and coaches their body language. Ben Johnson

778
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: clearly gets frustrated with him, but Caleb this week talked

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Speaker 1: about Ben in their relationship.

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Speaker 13: There are things that I can be better at. There

781
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Speaker 13: are things that I'm going to be better at. There

782
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Speaker 13: are things that you know that that you know weren't

783
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Speaker 13: hitting a day, and you know you just have those

784
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Speaker 13: days sometime and It's nice that we have a defense.

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Speaker 13: We have a special teams, a punter or whatever you

786
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Speaker 13: want to say, kicker that can put us ahead, that

787
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Speaker 13: can help us win games, a run game that can

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Speaker 13: you know, control the game. And so, you know, we

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Speaker 13: get this figured out on my side, we'll be a

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Speaker 13: you know, we'll be putting up a lot of points

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Speaker 13: to be very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Big story today the NBA, the FBI, J McK and

793
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Speaker 1: I talked about that. It is, these are accusations. It's

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Speaker 1: not a good day for Chauncey Billups, who I always

795
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Speaker 1: thought was one of the more kind of mature players

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Speaker 1: coaches in the NBA. Not a great day. I will

797
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Speaker 1: say there was some internet video of Terry Rosier with Miami.

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Speaker 1: That stuff surfaced last year, and you know there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of people saying this is weird video, like

800
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Speaker 1: it looks intentional. Do you remember you remember seeing that?

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00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly.

802
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: Now I will say the his his agent came out

803
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: or his lawyer, sorry, Arrozier came out and is staunchly

804
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Speaker 2: defending Hey. He talked to the FBI multiple times in

805
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Speaker 2: twenty three, the NBA interviewed him for.

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Speaker 8: Over a year.

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Speaker 2: He's been clear by the league. That video is extremely

808
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: suspicious when you watch it, But I don't know what

809
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Speaker 2: to make a rosier. Just to be clear, you did

810
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: make a good point. The bill up stuff is totally

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Speaker 2: separate from gambling on the NBA. That's the poker game, yes,

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Speaker 2: with the alleged mafia. And there are some videos circulating

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Speaker 2: that that you know from Reddit and stuff, that are

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Speaker 2: worth watching. I'll just say that in regard to those

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Speaker 2: poker games.

816
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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Adam Silver is like really nervous about this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, I think Hill just got in bed

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Speaker 2: with Calshi. You know, the prediction market. So the sports

820
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: leagues are intertwined with gambling. You know that, of course

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Speaker 2: they are. Yeah, and and so you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get on my high horse. I

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Speaker 2: think transparency like this, I've said, these are these are

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Speaker 2: actually good days, Like let's let's find the bad actors.

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Speaker 2: But it's Lakosa Nostra is involved, like thirteen members of

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Speaker 2: LaCOSA Nostra.

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Speaker 3: Not great, no, but I listen.

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Speaker 1: Then they've done documentaries on Henry Hill Boston College in

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Speaker 1: the seventies. Hour three now