Speaker 1: You're listening to waiting on reparations production. I heard, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't teach me that some classes. Everything is in there.
Speaker 1: So what you gotta do with fashions out, staying a term,
Speaker 1: you gotta go against so they like the folks out
Speaker 1: and put the princes, Dodgers cops for the capture. You
Speaker 1: make sure the print and put up your defriense. You
Speaker 1: gotta make it sure because I'm having people come at you,
Speaker 1: knocking at your door so welly, and there's no telling
Speaker 1: when start rebelling in. Everybody can do it, don't matter
Speaker 1: what you're melling in. Learn from mistakes and maybe never
Speaker 1: fail again. And we need more people for the fight.
Speaker 1: Go and tell a friend I'm trying to talk, don't
Speaker 1: make me wrap. It's waiting a reparations. They could pay
Speaker 1: me back, don't ye do dope knife waiting on reparations
Speaker 1: so much to cover today, ship you just wanna just
Speaker 1: want to get into it? Should we just let's get
Speaker 1: to it. Let's give the people what they want, what
Speaker 1: they need. Today We're gonna talk about the political situation
Speaker 1: in Haiti. Haitian entrepreneur turned president Jovana Moys had his
Speaker 1: term officially end on February seven, but pleasantly decided not
Speaker 1: to leave and to continue governing for another twelve months,
Speaker 1: exciding that he took office a year after being voted
Speaker 1: in and the people are not having this function. People
Speaker 1: have been protesting in porter prints by the thousands, calling
Speaker 1: for his represignation or even new elections, with the suspicion
Speaker 1: that his term extension is a stelling tactic to gain
Speaker 1: more power, and since taking office, his regime has been shrouded.
Speaker 1: There's just admired in corruptions, charges, just balls deep in
Speaker 1: corruption over there. Now. The police and government sanctioned militias
Speaker 1: are using lethal force against these protesters to the tune
Speaker 1: of like a hundred and eighty people dead over the
Speaker 1: last two years, and even by the time you hear
Speaker 1: this episode that that number is most definitely risen um.
Speaker 1: The situation is quite simply spiraling. Just to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Haiti is burning. And the reason that you're
Speaker 1: not seeing it on your you know, usual news sources
Speaker 1: is because this has the full backing of the US
Speaker 1: Trump had the same policy towards them, Biden has the
Speaker 1: same policy towards them. So we're pretty much you know,
Speaker 1: sponsoring of authoritarian fascist regime right down the street, you know,
Speaker 1: globally speaking. Yeah, so we're gonna talk about that, a
Speaker 1: little bit of the history of Haiti's political turmoil, and
Speaker 1: we'll chat with journalists, activists, and politician Eugene per Year
Speaker 1: about his recent experiences covering the Haiti uprising against authoritarianism
Speaker 1: and government. Correct also going to check out a couple
Speaker 1: Haitian hip hop and r and B artists and see
Speaker 1: what type, if any connection they have for the ongoing
Speaker 1: political situation there, you know, how we do. We'll have
Speaker 1: all that more after the jump and we're back, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna dig into a bit of Haitie's history of uprisings.
Speaker 1: Um Haiti has a storied history of rebellion against the
Speaker 1: ruling class, and I just like, I just really want
Speaker 1: to briefly highlight in our discussion of Haitian politics how
Speaker 1: fucking dope the Haitian revolution was for listeners who may
Speaker 1: not have learned about it in school. And you know,
Speaker 1: fucking course he wouldn't have, because they don't want colonize
Speaker 1: people replicating this ship all over the world. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be an extremely rudimentary breakdown of the
Speaker 1: Haitian Revolution, and I highly recommend listeners check out The
Speaker 1: Black Chep Jacobins by c. LR James for a more
Speaker 1: into depth account of what went down in Haiti in
Speaker 1: the seventeen nineties. So the history of Haiti's founding is
Speaker 1: when weighs heavily on the people who are in the
Speaker 1: streets today pretty much. Christopher Columbus, he claimed one half
Speaker 1: of it for the Spanish crown in sixteen then the
Speaker 1: French claimed the other half in sixteen sixty, and the
Speaker 1: two nations stars fighting over control of the territory. Spanish
Speaker 1: ultimately seeded the land of the French in sixte and
Speaker 1: in the end result Haiti had over a hundred years
Speaker 1: of rule by two European powers for the right to
Speaker 1: oversee one of the wealthiest colonies that was heavily dependent
Speaker 1: on African slave labor to run the sugar plantation. There's
Speaker 1: so many parallels in like the way ship went down
Speaker 1: in Haiti, down to the fact that Christopher Columbus quote
Speaker 1: unquote discovered Haiti in two Where have we heard that before?
Speaker 1: Heavy quotations on that heavy quotation mark heavy shout out
Speaker 1: to the people who were there first um life on
Speaker 1: santaming as they called it. Then San Domingo was broken
Speaker 1: down into three classes. You had LeBlanc, so the white colonists,
Speaker 1: which were further subdivided into plantation owners and lower class
Speaker 1: whites who were often oversea years and day laborers. And
Speaker 1: then you had the gensa colord libre, or the free
Speaker 1: black folks, who were usually mixed rate children of flavors
Speaker 1: who or people who had purchased their freedom. And then interestingly,
Speaker 1: some of them owned and operated their own plantation and
Speaker 1: owned slaves. And then there was a third group, the
Speaker 1: African born slaves, who vastly outnumbered the other groups. I'm
Speaker 1: talking like ten to one. And I break all this
Speaker 1: down because it very again, very closely mirrors the class
Speaker 1: system in demographic breakdown of many parts of the Antebelle himself.
Speaker 1: But it's precisely why the Haitian Revolution scared the ship
Speaker 1: out of Americans at the time, and probably why we
Speaker 1: don't learn about it in school today anyway. So these
Speaker 1: three fucking groups anyway, so these three groups fucking hated
Speaker 1: each other. As historian Paul for Ghost he put it,
Speaker 1: the poor whites couldn't stand the rich whites, and the
Speaker 1: rich whites despised the poor whites. The middle class wise
Speaker 1: were jealous of the aristocratic whites, and the whites born
Speaker 1: in France looked down upon the locally born whites. Mulatto's
Speaker 1: envied the whites, despised the blacks, and were despised by
Speaker 1: the whites. Free negroes brutalized those who are still slaves.
Speaker 1: Haitian born blacks regarded those from Africa's savages. Everyone quite
Speaker 1: rightfully lived in terror of everyone else. It's funny because
Speaker 1: when when read that quote, I pictured like the player
Speaker 1: hats ball, just like hate hate the way smell, just
Speaker 1: like hating on each other. Um. When heads started rolling
Speaker 1: in France during the French Revolution and the National Assembly
Speaker 1: published a Declaration of Rights of Man and the Citizens
Speaker 1: declaring all men free and equal, everybody in Haiti was
Speaker 1: like oh word, but for their own separate, class driven reasons.
Speaker 1: The whites wanted independence from France. The free blacks were
Speaker 1: agitating for suffrage, one prominent freedman leading a three hundred
Speaker 1: person siege on the largest busiest Haitian port in the
Speaker 1: name of ending racial discrimination, while the enslaved Africans kind
Speaker 1: of stood by the side, you know, just kind of watching.
Speaker 1: And that was all until the night. One night in
Speaker 1: August one, oh yeah, taking a queue from the message
Speaker 1: of the French Revolution, the Haitians launched a revolt. Thousands
Speaker 1: of slaves attending a secret voodoo Sarah money it's a
Speaker 1: tropical storm came in and later that night returning to
Speaker 1: their plantations and began to kill their masters, plunging the
Speaker 1: colony into civil war. Within the next ten days, slaves
Speaker 1: had taken control of the entire northern province of Haiti,
Speaker 1: and within weeks the number of slaves who joined the
Speaker 1: revolt in the north reached one hundred thousand. Within two months,
Speaker 1: as the violence escalated, the slaves killed four thousand whites
Speaker 1: and burn and destroyed a hundred eighty sugar plantations and
Speaker 1: hundreds of coffee and indigo plantations. But slave rebels controlled
Speaker 1: a third of the island. Hat right there, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's just okay, And I want to be very clear,
Speaker 1: it's not because I'm plot revelations. It's because, like the
Speaker 1: the they outnumbered that there appressors tend to one, and
Speaker 1: they decided they were gonna take it anymore. And like,
Speaker 1: I really feel like it comes back to what I
Speaker 1: was saying at the top, or I would saying, no
Speaker 1: what I was saying the last episode about the powers
Speaker 1: of people, like we just realized we outnumbered the people
Speaker 1: who are making our lives out and just say we
Speaker 1: ain't gona take it anymore. And that can take the
Speaker 1: form of a general strike. Everybody's walking off the job,
Speaker 1: shutting down ports, shutting down factories, shutting down highways, just
Speaker 1: bringing society to a standstill, like you can change things.
Speaker 1: By eighteen o four, Haiti was an independent republic, like
Speaker 1: and they all took with a couple of thousand slaves,
Speaker 1: being like no, like, there's ten of us for each
Speaker 1: one of you. We ain't gonna pick you fucking you know,
Speaker 1: we ain't garden you compa's Historically it was historically it
Speaker 1: was only Haiti and Ethiopia that ended up doing that,
Speaker 1: right kind of like I didn't know about Ethiopia, but
Speaker 1: we don't gonna do another episode of I mean, Ethiopia
Speaker 1: wasn't having that ship either. It was like fuck that.
Speaker 1: But um so from you know, after gaining independence in
Speaker 1: the Republic of Haiti officially being born, there was a
Speaker 1: task of unifying the country, overcoming in a brief America
Speaker 1: Can occupation. Of course, we couldn't stay in our business.
Speaker 1: Contested election after contested election, coup attempts, actual coup's. Political
Speaker 1: struggle runs deep in the nation's history. Several regimes in
Speaker 1: Haiti have been described as fascist regimes, from Luis Luis
Speaker 1: Borno and the later government of France Suis du Valier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that brings us to present day and I think contextualizes
Speaker 1: some of I think what Eugene talks about in a
Speaker 1: minute around just like the uniqueness of the way people
Speaker 1: are organizing and taking the streets in Haiti right now.
Speaker 1: It's like in it's kind of in people's blood. So
Speaker 1: let's get into talking about Joviano Mooys in some of
Speaker 1: the current context. Born Jovino Mooys was a Haitian businessman
Speaker 1: with his hands a little bit of everything and autoparts business,
Speaker 1: banana plantation, drinking water distribution and many other ventures. He
Speaker 1: was hand picked by his predecessor, Michelle Martelli to run
Speaker 1: as the presidential candidate back into the fifteen under the
Speaker 1: Patient tet Kale Party or p h t K. Martelli
Speaker 1: himself founded that in two thousand twelve, he ran on
Speaker 1: a platform that promoted bioecological agriculture is the backbone of
Speaker 1: Haiti's economy. It was you know, it's got over rural
Speaker 1: population and he supported universal education and health care, energy reform,
Speaker 1: rule of law, environmental protection and development of Haiti as
Speaker 1: a destination for eco terrorism. It all sounds good so
Speaker 1: far right, so I know for you universal logic. His
Speaker 1: rise to power just from the outset was Mardern controversy
Speaker 1: and the current protests that are going on over him particular.
Speaker 1: It's not new, it's just gotten more intense. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: exit polling after the election and showed him receiving only
Speaker 1: six percent of the vote, but then he was given
Speaker 1: thirty two, qualifying him to participate in the run off
Speaker 1: election against June Celestine, the second place finisher. So out
Speaker 1: the gate he was met with mathive protests and calls
Speaker 1: the fraud two thousand sixteen to runoff was called his
Speaker 1: favor only off of preliminary results ain't ship with an
Speaker 1: estimatedent voter turnout total. The dispute over his mandate saw
Speaker 1: an interim president installed and finally after getting fifty in
Speaker 1: a of the vote in another special election he was
Speaker 1: sworn in. What a ship show anyway. So in Porta Prince,
Speaker 1: there's gang warfare in the streets among competing factions who
Speaker 1: support or oppose Moise, and there's a lot of suspicion
Speaker 1: that the rising murderate and the unprecedented number of kidnapping
Speaker 1: networks has ties to the Moise government, but the accusation
Speaker 1: that he's using violence and kidnappings to scare opposition in
Speaker 1: the population at large eeen. A massacre took place in
Speaker 1: the lass A Lean part of Porta Prince, carried out
Speaker 1: by the G nine gang, which is probably the most
Speaker 1: notorious of these gangs that are operating there. They have
Speaker 1: long suspected ties to most Seventy people were killed in
Speaker 1: fourteen hours in the U and the U S would
Speaker 1: eventually implicate and sanctioned two members of his administration for
Speaker 1: planning the attacks and providing weapons to G nine in
Speaker 1: order to quell corruption protests or in order to quell
Speaker 1: anti corruption protests. This all took place after the U
Speaker 1: N pulled out peacekeeping troops who were there on a
Speaker 1: thirteen year occupation, so it's like they waited for the
Speaker 1: moment to strike. So yeah, things are going real well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, earlier this year he's like, are you seven down?
Speaker 1: I got another year. I'm staying in office. Y'all can't
Speaker 1: give her to me, and the people weren't having it.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to journalist Eugene per Year, who
Speaker 1: was recently on the ground and got to work in
Speaker 1: his things firsthand, to help get a better understanding of
Speaker 1: what is happening in Haiti today. I'm joined by a journalist, activist,
Speaker 1: and politician, Eugene per Year. Even It's a founding member
Speaker 1: of the Party for Socialism and Liberation IT in two
Speaker 1: thousand eight sixteen ran as their vice presidential candidate. UM.
Speaker 1: He's also the author of Shackled and Chained Mass in
Speaker 1: Carstration in Capitalist America and it's host of the show
Speaker 1: The Freedom Side on Breakthrough News. He also reasently returned
Speaker 1: from Haiti, where he and his team covered the uprising
Speaker 1: against authoritarianism and government corruption there. Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: being your Eugene, And to start, I wondered if you
Speaker 1: could talk to us a little bit about why you
Speaker 1: and your team decided to go to Haiti. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, first and foremost, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me really honored to be here and you know,
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to to share what we saw
Speaker 1: because the reason we really went to Haiti um with
Speaker 1: our Breakthrough News team is you know, it was obvious
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in that there is a major
Speaker 1: popular struggle breaking out in Haiti, but the state of
Speaker 1: Medio and Haiti is basically disaster born by and large,
Speaker 1: like people just looking for the most sensational images, and
Speaker 1: we do that there is a lot more to it obviously,
Speaker 1: like in terms of the broader geopolitics of it and
Speaker 1: what was going on domestically, and you know, could we
Speaker 1: find a way to get there on the ground to
Speaker 1: get the voice of the people who are involved in
Speaker 1: this movement, to try to give people a sense that
Speaker 1: it's not just sort of uh, you know, Haitians as
Speaker 1: as objects, but as subjects, and you know, really that
Speaker 1: people are you know, engaged in an attempt to take
Speaker 1: their own lives into their own hands and make major
Speaker 1: changes in the country. But the US and the OAS
Speaker 1: and these other institutions playing such a huge role and
Speaker 1: seeing how so much of what is happening there is
Speaker 1: is not by accidents, not endemic, but it's really imposed.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's why we wanted to be there,
Speaker 1: and and we were there specifically around the Constitution Day. Um.
Speaker 1: The data was celebrates the Constitution because there is such
Speaker 1: a major attack on that right now, So we were
Speaker 1: also there for that sort of particular moment. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: protests in Haiti have been going on since he does
Speaker 1: an a in response to rising field prices that have
Speaker 1: evolved into demands for the removal of President A Naw Moys.
Speaker 1: Can you fill them listeners a little bit of the
Speaker 1: background of the current unrest, What has happened in the
Speaker 1: years since, um, the current uprising has started, and what
Speaker 1: how things came to a tipping point recently. Absolutely, so,
Speaker 1: you know, I working backwards, I would say that what
Speaker 1: has really made this crisis erupted in a huge way
Speaker 1: from kind of early February on until now has been
Speaker 1: that on February seven was the end of President Moy's
Speaker 1: term and he just unilaterally decided that he was going
Speaker 1: to say, well, actually my term ends next year, so
Speaker 1: I'm just going to remain as the president at this point. Uh.
Speaker 1: In the justice system were less it come to a halt, uh,
Speaker 1: And so it was ruling principally as a dictator, and
Speaker 1: so the level of anger against him for many reasons
Speaker 1: rose to a fever pitch because he was refusing to
Speaker 1: give up power in the context of of this you know,
Speaker 1: technical democratic system of Haiti, but it's also tied to
Speaker 1: the already existing deep anger that had existed with Moy's
Speaker 1: since team. Really and you know, this was when a
Speaker 1: scandal emerge when there was about three point about three
Speaker 1: billion dollars in development aid from Venezuela that was embezzled
Speaker 1: and stolen by Moys and his crnies and his party,
Speaker 1: the p h t k UH. And given the discrepancy
Speaker 1: between the large amount of poverty and oppression faced by
Speaker 1: so many people in Haiti Uh and billions of dollars
Speaker 1: of development aid being stolen, it was really the tipping
Speaker 1: point for a lot of people. Um that Boy's had
Speaker 1: to go, but he was able to hang on for
Speaker 1: the rest of his term. But now he's decided to
Speaker 1: overstay his term and it is really sort of pushed
Speaker 1: people to come back out, not just because he's overstaying
Speaker 1: his term directly, but because it represents an undemocratic imposition
Speaker 1: of this This extraordinarily brutal social system. To tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about what the protests have looked like
Speaker 1: and what the government's response has been. You know, the
Speaker 1: protests in Haiti are amazing on so many different levels. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, folks, good to be two newsroom. They
Speaker 1: can see some of our coverage from being out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say, you know, one thing that
Speaker 1: is definitely very notable about all Asian protests is the
Speaker 1: role of music is definitely very big. You know, in
Speaker 1: the biggest protest on Sunday, actually in both, but the
Speaker 1: bigger one that we read is uh, in the lead
Speaker 1: up to Constitution Day, you know, there was a giant
Speaker 1: sound truck like in the front of the thing just
Speaker 1: mainly blasting music. I saw two different brass bands. Um,
Speaker 1: you know they were just driving. It's just very just
Speaker 1: suffused throughout it. Um, a huge amount of cultural expression,
Speaker 1: which I think is fantastic. Uh. It was a large
Speaker 1: it was a huge demonstration. I mean it was definitely
Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand people. And you know port of
Speaker 1: Prints where where we were for most of the demonstrations,
Speaker 1: so that we did get out into the rule areas
Speaker 1: on some previous days um. But port of prints is
Speaker 1: pretty spread out, so the marches, they'll be like one
Speaker 1: general place that starts from, but people will come from
Speaker 1: other places. So there's this amazing area of ported prints.
Speaker 1: It's known as the Crossroads of Resistance UM, where people
Speaker 1: meet up from all the different parts of Court of
Speaker 1: Prince and then demonstrations continue from that point to to
Speaker 1: many other places. So it's a massive, this massive convergence
Speaker 1: of people um that is there, and I would say
Speaker 1: that you know, it locks down significant parts of the city,
Speaker 1: so it has a big economic impact um. You know,
Speaker 1: almost like a strike or a super effective boycott um
Speaker 1: as well, just a fact of having these mass demonstrations.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I mean it's almost kind of hard
Speaker 1: to explain in a way, but it's the level of
Speaker 1: of of just just raw enthusiasm for people to like
Speaker 1: take down Jovanel Moys and people are so uh to
Speaker 1: turn like no one really has a lot of doubts
Speaker 1: that they're going to succeed that. I would say that's
Speaker 1: the other thing about the nature of the demonstrations of
Speaker 1: the chance and things like that are very much not
Speaker 1: like you know, uh, we want you to do this.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, not only are you gonna do
Speaker 1: like not only should you do this, but you are
Speaker 1: going to do this and we will ultimately be victorious.
Speaker 1: So um, not those exact words, but in that vein
Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely, it's it's a powerful experience and you know,
Speaker 1: even just the sort of cultural environment around you. Um, so,
Speaker 1: Haiti is actually the only country in the world that
Speaker 1: has a street named after John Brown. So and like
Speaker 1: it just kind of a surreal moment in one of
Speaker 1: these marches, Um Juan, who is also there with me
Speaker 1: to break through newspoints out. We're on John Brown Avenue
Speaker 1: or whatever boulevard. So we're going, we're doing different things.
Speaker 1: And then the demonstration takes a left and when we
Speaker 1: take a left, I look at the street side. I
Speaker 1: noticed that it's the Martin Luther King Street. So I
Speaker 1: just said, well, this is wild to be like in
Speaker 1: a march in Haiti on John Brown Boulevard turning onto
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King uh Street there and then the level
Speaker 1: of internationalism also is very high in the protest because
Speaker 1: people are very cognizant of the role that that these
Speaker 1: other countries are playing, these imperioless countries. So um, that's
Speaker 1: also something you see a lot of, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I saw some American flag, We're burned. There's definitely a
Speaker 1: lot of feeling, a lot of anger that people have
Speaker 1: that Biden is so squarely behind Moist. So that was
Speaker 1: definitely heavily expressed. And then so I would love to
Speaker 1: talk to you more about some of the larger subspolitical
Speaker 1: issues that the current unrest sort of like has arisen
Speaker 1: out of. You mentioned imperialism the Biden administration, But first,
Speaker 1: what is the government's response been to uh, this this uprising.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been brutal repression. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: many protests of course have been fired on with live rounds,
Speaker 1: with the so called non lethal ammunition. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: there's been beatings of journalists and things like that. So
Speaker 1: just from that perspective, there's been a lot of sort
Speaker 1: of I mean, the larger the demonstration usually the less
Speaker 1: open the repression is because you know, to some degree,
Speaker 1: though there's not a lot of coverage, I think they
Speaker 1: have some sense that you know, they're benefactors around the world,
Speaker 1: would not like for them to see too much. Um,
Speaker 1: but definitely it's it's significant and it's notable. I would
Speaker 1: say also there's really sort of like a strategy of
Speaker 1: tension at play that the government is playing some role in,
Speaker 1: although it's not clear at least to me um on
Speaker 1: what that is. So, you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: folks are talking about the level of violence in Haiti
Speaker 1: and how there has been the two increase in kidnappings
Speaker 1: in the past year, uh and so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: and there's no doubt that that that is in fact
Speaker 1: the case. Um there has been really increase in kidnapping
Speaker 1: as kind of a crime of desperation, but also violence
Speaker 1: more generally has gone up as there has So there's
Speaker 1: really a security vacuum in Haiti and there's no real
Speaker 1: it's it's entirely I mean, it's just amazingly neoliberal. There's
Speaker 1: almost no public services, almost no social services, um. You know,
Speaker 1: like even the cops, which technically are controlled by Mlay's
Speaker 1: half the cops have quit, so there's very little state capacity.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of entities that they're called gangs,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's even the best way to
Speaker 1: describe them, um that have arisen that are providing some
Speaker 1: form of like basic social government security services. I think
Speaker 1: they have sort of differing, you know, ideologies, goals, positions,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of inter uh intermural rivalry, if you will, between them,
Speaker 1: and a lot of killings and other attacks are driven
Speaker 1: by these sorts of conflicts that are sort of presented
Speaker 1: as gang conflicts. But when you talk to people on
Speaker 1: the ground, and honestly, when you just sort of observe
Speaker 1: it at a bird's eye view and sort of see
Speaker 1: it all at once, you know, it's very clear that
Speaker 1: some of the people who are being targeted, and some
Speaker 1: of the neighborhoods that are being targeted, like in bel Air,
Speaker 1: are centers of the popular struggle um and places that
Speaker 1: have always been targeted by death squads by you know,
Speaker 1: the occupation forces doing the un occupation and an attempt
Speaker 1: to prevent to scare people from coming out and being
Speaker 1: a part of demonstrations. So bell Air has been in
Speaker 1: the news internationally quite a bit in the past few
Speaker 1: weeks because of you know, a number of killings that
Speaker 1: have happened there, and it really doesn't seem like there
Speaker 1: is a coincidence there that of a neighborhood that has
Speaker 1: strong and popular resistance is also being heavily targeted by violence. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of sides to that story.
Speaker 1: Some of the people who are accused of working with
Speaker 1: moys are saying they never have, they're not working with
Speaker 1: them at all. You know, there's some accusations of the
Speaker 1: U S working directly with some of these people, not
Speaker 1: just through mois UH. And there's a long history and
Speaker 1: hating of this kind of UH, you know, vigilante paramilitary
Speaker 1: style violence m driven by right wing governments UH and
Speaker 1: in an attempt to quell popular uh popular activity in Haiti.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's definitely a huge piece of
Speaker 1: the fact of the landscape. And I think something worth
Speaker 1: understanding about the nature of like quote unquote violence of
Speaker 1: Haiti when we hear Haiti is violent, is that there
Speaker 1: really is definitely from the government, I think, a a
Speaker 1: strategy of essentially using an element of chaos, I think,
Speaker 1: to benefit their attempts to keep people from wanting to
Speaker 1: come out and and be on the streets. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, um, I appreciate you speaking to like relationship
Speaker 1: between some of the violence and neoliberalism, the shrinking of
Speaker 1: the state and like the state's capacity. I think um.
Speaker 1: As we in the show look at different UM issues
Speaker 1: happening in other countries, they oftentimes can shine a new
Speaker 1: kind of light on issues that we are experiencing here
Speaker 1: at home. Where there any sort of lessons you drew
Speaker 1: from your experience in Haiti around their organizing, what they're
Speaker 1: getting done with they're calling for that you think might
Speaker 1: hold lessons for us here in the States with regard
Speaker 1: to our own reprison that's happening here right now. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you've actually brought that up, because there's definitely a
Speaker 1: consciousness there in Haiti in the popular movement about what
Speaker 1: has been going on here. UM. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that we were able to capture, and this
Speaker 1: is also you can see it on our social media
Speaker 1: at BT newsroom on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, like we
Speaker 1: found a beautiful mural uh in honor of George Floyd,
Speaker 1: imported prints just randomly driving around When we were out
Speaker 1: in the countryside talking to peasants who are riding land grabs,
Speaker 1: one guy, sugarcane farmer, told us, you know, they're just
Speaker 1: trying to choke us out like they did George Floyd. UM,
Speaker 1: And you know, people definitely are asking people to take
Speaker 1: action in the United States, but because they also don't
Speaker 1: think it's like a lost cause. Like people know things
Speaker 1: are happening, and so they want they're hoping that people
Speaker 1: will take up Haiti also amongst other issues, they say
Speaker 1: people taking up and then culturally, you know, Black America, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, for better or for worse, the sort of
Speaker 1: entertainment elements of black culture produced by the capitalist you know,
Speaker 1: entertainment arts media definitely has an impact on Haiti as well.
Speaker 1: So even some of that, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: was at a community meeting UM and a young woman
Speaker 1: would actually ask me a question about what was the
Speaker 1: role of black capitalists in the current movement because they
Speaker 1: were getting a lot of and I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to come after me, I'm just reporting what was said. Uh.
Speaker 1: She was saying that Beyonce uh was had become so
Speaker 1: popular recently and was getting promoted more in Haiti, and
Speaker 1: was you know, it was sort of in the midst
Speaker 1: of sort of trying to give like American blackness as
Speaker 1: a sign of the ability to have upward mobility in
Speaker 1: a capitalist system, and whether or not sort of black
Speaker 1: capitalism was becoming a big stumbling block to the movement
Speaker 1: here and how people were organizing around it. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's sort of both sort of like abstract and I
Speaker 1: think kind of direct links just about the sort of
Speaker 1: way the Americas are linked together culturally. Um, which was powerful.
Speaker 1: But I think one that is one of the things
Speaker 1: I will take away is you know, there's a really
Speaker 1: strong in a nationalist element to a lot of the
Speaker 1: popular movements that are happening in Haiti. And we were
Speaker 1: able to meet, like I said, with with peasants, you
Speaker 1: know who in addition to some of the things I
Speaker 1: already said, you know, we're telling us about how you
Speaker 1: know they're modeling some of what they're doing on the
Speaker 1: landless workers movement in Brazil, and you know, they're looking
Speaker 1: to be part of a worldwide movement of of of
Speaker 1: peasants and small farmers uh that are pushing to have
Speaker 1: sustainable food, sovereignty oriented agriculture in their areas. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: we're in community. We were in like a small all
Speaker 1: community school with the che Guevara Mural talking to a
Speaker 1: women's organization that works on a range of different fronts,
Speaker 1: both from the political to sort of mutual aid style.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess sort of informal economy, business projects,
Speaker 1: but really to help people build up their self sufficiency, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and and their consciousness was very much shaped
Speaker 1: around the need and the understanding, and they're mentioning to us. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then they very nicely hosted a community meeting where
Speaker 1: we were able to chat with people and they were
Speaker 1: also able to exchange with us. UM mainly organizes maybe
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty people, and so much of the back
Speaker 1: and forth was around how to the need to build
Speaker 1: solidarity internationally, how it can be done, the relationship between
Speaker 1: working class people in different places. And I think that
Speaker 1: that it was a probable takeaway from me because I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, obviously, in the context of what
Speaker 1: the United States is doing the Haiti UM, I think
Speaker 1: it shows a super advanced level of consciousness for people
Speaker 1: to be making really strong distinctions between, you know, like
Speaker 1: who controls politics in America, who controls politics and haiti
Speaker 1: and like, how do popular movements get together to exercise
Speaker 1: real power against these multinational corporations because they feel the
Speaker 1: brunt of that because so much of the politics is
Speaker 1: determined by what's happening outside of the country. UM that
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of capital is global and if
Speaker 1: labor is not global, then it will be difficult to win.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, in the United States sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, there are people who I think put a
Speaker 1: uh a a a sort of maybe lesser importance of
Speaker 1: the struggle here domestically, uh to change what's going on
Speaker 1: with the government, And I think for them that's the opposite.
Speaker 1: Like they want the working class in America to be organized,
Speaker 1: to be organizing against the government, um, and to embrace
Speaker 1: as many people as possible, which is also something people
Speaker 1: were asking me. UM. People were very curious to know,
Speaker 1: is we're white people involved in any of the things
Speaker 1: that they were seeing around police brutality and protests, because
Speaker 1: you know, they know that we're not the majority of
Speaker 1: people here. Uh. So they're thinking, Okay, well, let's what
Speaker 1: us up or these other people involved. Can we win out?
Speaker 1: Can we succeed? So, you know, that thirst for knowledge
Speaker 1: about what's going on and how to not only link
Speaker 1: up movements, but to know what's happening was really palpable.
Speaker 1: With so many community organizers we met. UM. We went
Speaker 1: to a meeting, a socialist meeting at the university, like
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenties students. UM. Really just sharp questions,
Speaker 1: discussions placing every It was a discussion really lead about
Speaker 1: pacing Haiti in the broader context of Latin America especially
Speaker 1: and and the regional politics. So I think that's something
Speaker 1: that Americans could really and from the United States, I
Speaker 1: should say, uh, and our movements could take a lot from.
Speaker 1: Is the importance of international solidarity building between the working
Speaker 1: in the popular classes, between the nations in a real way,
Speaker 1: but having a true belief that despite all the differences
Speaker 1: that exist between North and South especially UM, that there's
Speaker 1: a powerful unity that that's possible there against a shared enemy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's definitely not only what people
Speaker 1: say there, but it's certainly what they were looking to
Speaker 1: project back. Every person we asked what is the main
Speaker 1: thing you want us to underline? It was that they
Speaker 1: won't be able to act against against moist. So it's
Speaker 1: certainly that I would say is one element of it.
Speaker 1: But maybe the final piece is also just the steadfastness UM,
Speaker 1: because the conditions are very tough, very very tough, and
Speaker 1: not only from the level of violence, but just a
Speaker 1: low level of development in the country, like things we
Speaker 1: take for granted like being on a zoom meeting right
Speaker 1: now and having access to high speed internet, Like even
Speaker 1: if you have money there that you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like you you might not necessarily consistently be able to
Speaker 1: access that, which is why all these oligarchs requind these
Speaker 1: houses in American and Canada. You know, um, but it
Speaker 1: really it really does when you're doing things like popular
Speaker 1: media and different pieces like that, and trying to compete
Speaker 1: against also the mainstream media of Haiti, which is just
Speaker 1: like the mainstream media year controlled by capitalists. It puts
Speaker 1: a lot of constraints on the ability to to do
Speaker 1: a lot of different work. But you know, I people
Speaker 1: are very determined there, and like I said, the spirit
Speaker 1: is really that people feel like they're going to succeed,
Speaker 1: not with like a false pravado, but that they just
Speaker 1: have confidence in what they can do. So it was
Speaker 1: impressive a lesson for us here as we also come
Speaker 1: front uh capitalism, police repression, yeah, imperialism. Um. I wanted
Speaker 1: to zoom out a little bit and talk to us
Speaker 1: about your role as a journalist that's engaged in you
Speaker 1: know that is also a politician, also an activist. What
Speaker 1: do you see as the role of journalism in this
Speaker 1: fight against capitalist, fight against police for repression, Like how
Speaker 1: do how does your work with doing things like going
Speaker 1: to Haitian sort of highlighting their struggle, Like how does
Speaker 1: that fit into the larger, uh, the larger framework of
Speaker 1: you know what you're what you're trying to accomplish. What
Speaker 1: were we as you know, the international working class United
Speaker 1: are trying to accomplish? Yeah, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things that I feel like
Speaker 1: everyone thinks about in a way because we consume so
Speaker 1: much media. UM, but it's sort of has been in
Speaker 1: a way neglected as sort of like a battle front
Speaker 1: in the sort of broader battle of ideas in a way.
Speaker 1: And I think that so much of like even billion
Speaker 1: bridges between people in Haiti and people in the United States,
Speaker 1: Like even having some d um that can show people
Speaker 1: on both sides that there are people already on both
Speaker 1: sides that want to build stronger links and acting is
Speaker 1: even just a hypothetical bridge just in a sort of
Speaker 1: proof of concept. At least we know they're similar thinking
Speaker 1: people who exist abroad. UM in and of itself, I
Speaker 1: think is deeply powerful. And so I mean that is
Speaker 1: almost never transmitted. So I mean, on the one on
Speaker 1: sort of a basic human level, I hope that we
Speaker 1: can do a lot of that. I think also just
Speaker 1: from the point of view of how do we not
Speaker 1: only shape our consciousness and like sort of the most
Speaker 1: immediate sense, like how do we get people like the
Speaker 1: the information they need to really know what's going on
Speaker 1: in these situations, but how do we also start to
Speaker 1: create mediums that people can can trust that also are
Speaker 1: are consistently not just bringing you the facts but putting
Speaker 1: it in a context I think, and you know people
Speaker 1: can take it or leave it, I guess, but putting
Speaker 1: it in a context that also I think helps sort
Speaker 1: of condition a broader way of thinking, not just about
Speaker 1: the individual issues of Haiti, not just about the individual
Speaker 1: issues of the United States, but how a lot of
Speaker 1: these things start to fit together in ways that I
Speaker 1: think you can get siloed reporting, like the New York
Speaker 1: Times can write about Haiti, they can write something about
Speaker 1: the fifteen minimum wage, they can write something about you know,
Speaker 1: SPACs on Wall Street, all in the same day, but
Speaker 1: you know, there's no through line that's connecting all of
Speaker 1: those things and trying to put them in sort of
Speaker 1: an intelligible context. But that's politics, right, is like taking
Speaker 1: all the different things that make up the world and
Speaker 1: putting them in a context, deciding what you like and
Speaker 1: don't like, and then deciding how to engage in action
Speaker 1: in order to change the things that you don't like.
Speaker 1: So I think ultimately those kind of sort of trying
Speaker 1: to I don't want to give people a guide, like
Speaker 1: we want to just tell people what to think, but
Speaker 1: maybe that is kind of what I say, rather than
Speaker 1: just give people a bunch of atomized information, which I
Speaker 1: think is so much of the media now, So I
Speaker 1: hope we can also give people sort of an intelligible
Speaker 1: guide in a way to help try to contextualize and
Speaker 1: understand what is an extremely uh an extremely hard and
Speaker 1: complicated to understand world. Um. And then the sort of
Speaker 1: final piece of that, I think is, you know, also
Speaker 1: creating a feeling that people's lives are news worth the
Speaker 1: outside of just that it bleeds it leads sort of
Speaker 1: reality in the mainstream media. I think, like for a
Speaker 1: lot of porm working class people, you know, you just
Speaker 1: expect for the media not to cover things, you expect
Speaker 1: for people to cover them wrong. You just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all sort of know that,
Speaker 1: Like if you see some super racist segment about crime
Speaker 1: on the local news, like no one is surprised by that,
Speaker 1: Like that's just how it is all the time. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, you know it almost
Speaker 1: it's it plays an important role I think in a
Speaker 1: lot and instilling a level of demoralization and people because
Speaker 1: I really do feel like it's information warfare on a
Speaker 1: community where it's almost just like no one cares, no
Speaker 1: one's doing anything. They never reported correctly, So like where
Speaker 1: is the hope? What can I do? How can things change?
Speaker 1: And I think by giving people what I believe is
Speaker 1: like a well produced uh you know, and and factual,
Speaker 1: substantive uh production of the depredations that are being done
Speaker 1: to them through no fault of their own, uh, that
Speaker 1: then can you know, be seen and consumed and enjoyed
Speaker 1: by people, to help people feel that their story really
Speaker 1: does matter and that it's a huge injustice, that it's
Speaker 1: not the forefront of what's out there, uh, and that
Speaker 1: there's a reason for that. And I think hopefully restore
Speaker 1: people's at some level of hope maybe um that that
Speaker 1: there are people out there who do care and that
Speaker 1: it is possible to bring those people together and maybe
Speaker 1: do something and change something. So I don't know how
Speaker 1: coherent that is, but I think those are some of
Speaker 1: the things popular media can really do. But I think
Speaker 1: it's something we really got to take up in a
Speaker 1: bigger way. And it's challenging obviously because I mean, like anything,
Speaker 1: to do it at scale, you need money, right, so
Speaker 1: we have to come up with ways to fund our
Speaker 1: own movement. But either way, I think it's an area
Speaker 1: where were we we have to move or we're gonna
Speaker 1: be in trouble because obviously, you know, the capitalist class
Speaker 1: is spending so much money on and propaganda and disinformation. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of the media, you mentioned a couple of times
Speaker 1: um throughout, but where can people get caught up on
Speaker 1: your coverage of Haiti as well as your show and
Speaker 1: stay in touch with the work that you're doing to
Speaker 1: bring these stories to the people. Absolutely so. On social
Speaker 1: media we're at BT Newsroom, just at BT Newsroom, on Instagram,
Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter, where YouTube dot com, slash breakthrough News
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Speaker 1: Patreon dot com slash Breakthrough News is our Patreon where
Speaker 1: we have some subscribe patrons only content and other things
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Speaker 1: can catch up on everything we're doing. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: we're doing a twenty minute podcast every day, The punch Out,
Speaker 1: which is you know, news and information people need to
Speaker 1: know Thursday night, streaming live on Twitter on YouTube the
Speaker 1: Freedom Side eight pm Eastern time every Thursday. We have
Speaker 1: fantastic guests like Mariah Parker. So if you like that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, uh, definitely tuned into the Freedom Side.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all of that is an easy way. I'm
Speaker 1: at Eugene very years, so just my name needs to
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter two if people want to fill
Speaker 1: all right, well, thank you so much for your time,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for getting the stories out.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I really was
Speaker 1: an honor. I really respect all the work to do. Seriously,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. So. Having talked about the recent
Speaker 1: uprising in some of its socio political contacts in the
Speaker 1: larger history of Haiti as well, let's not time to
Speaker 1: talk about our favorite part, the rapping music. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the rapper is a Lot who is
Speaker 1: a popular Haitian rapper. He's also a member of the
Speaker 1: l A p H opposition party, and he was arrested
Speaker 1: recently by the Anti drug Trafficking Unit of the National Police.
Speaker 1: This was last month. Uh Andrew Michael, lawyer and opposition leader,
Speaker 1: alerted his followers on Twitter. He said the d c
Speaker 1: p J has just illegally arrested Jean Lenard to poussan
Speaker 1: or is a lot pop puler artists. Fazima, a lawyer
Speaker 1: who works for the Democratic and Popular Sector of the
Speaker 1: opposition groups, is on his way to the d c
Speaker 1: p J. The Democratic and Popular Sector demands his immediate release.
Speaker 1: So White Club Gen, who we don't know and who
Speaker 1: has recorded several songs with the Salon, posted a video
Speaker 1: on his Instagram account condemning the arrest. I'm only gonna
Speaker 1: say this once. This thing. I'm not going for it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going for it. We're not going for it.
Speaker 1: Let he's along go, please, let he us along go.
Speaker 1: He's The Instagram video was a lot more like emotional
Speaker 1: than we just I'm not I'm only gonna We're not
Speaker 1: going for voice oscars. I'm not. I'm not going for it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't do a white Club job. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what he sounds like. It's yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think I've heard. Okay, So the rappers of the local
Speaker 1: radio station that he had been interrogated, but did not
Speaker 1: elaborate any further. He would only say that he was
Speaker 1: not asked about his ties to Phantom five oh nine,
Speaker 1: which is another renegade group. The current police officers have
Speaker 1: blamed them for a series of jail breaks, looting, violence,
Speaker 1: and even a hold up of the Belize national soccer
Speaker 1: team on a bus. Now you know, wa, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they're they're trying to They're trying to. You know.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where it's like from from
Speaker 1: my digging, you know, it's it's hard to get like
Speaker 1: a full story, you know, because it's like, obviously, if
Speaker 1: the dude is doing all this stuff, then okay, I
Speaker 1: guess he's a bad guy. But with the way that
Speaker 1: this government is corrupt and he's part of the opposition party,
Speaker 1: it kind of seems like they're just throwing some trumped
Speaker 1: up ship at him. Yeah, so let's check out some
Speaker 1: of his music. Show, Let's check out the trek by
Speaker 1: him called mim po or translated into I'm Not running.
Speaker 1: Let's check this out. I've now, from all of digging
Speaker 1: it could not find a transcript of the lyrics of
Speaker 1: the song to translate to get more of a sense
Speaker 1: of what he was saying. So I wish you could
Speaker 1: offer more commentary over the actual song itself other than
Speaker 1: I think the ship was dope, especially the instrumental. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so we can at least describe what's happening in the
Speaker 1: music video. Oh, I know, is this gout Honey's dancing
Speaker 1: and scheme mask outside of what looks like a castle
Speaker 1: in ruins. We got some shots of the slums with
Speaker 1: his boys, you know what I mean. It's like it's
Speaker 1: I don't want to say typical rap ship, but you
Speaker 1: know it's some typical mainstream looking rap shit, at least
Speaker 1: from this video. But um, it's dope, as the beat
Speaker 1: is dope and my man's is flowing. So I'm not
Speaker 1: and I honestly I've been sleeping on like the sound
Speaker 1: of like creole, you know that particularly I mean as
Speaker 1: as a you know, having study romance like which is
Speaker 1: the French sounding nous of it stands out to me
Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn okay, Like then flow it's just
Speaker 1: really ill fun fact for the people out there. I
Speaker 1: was the ESL kid. My first language before I spoke
Speaker 1: English was Creo West West African Creo until I was
Speaker 1: about five, so I didn't Is that is that based on?
Speaker 1: Is that? Basically it's based in French. That's why when
Speaker 1: I when I ended up traveling later on, I picked
Speaker 1: up French, probably quicker than I would if I had
Speaker 1: just gotten there, being like, you know, English. The next
Speaker 1: track we're going to check out is actually by the
Speaker 1: son of the former president Michelle Martelli. This is his son,
Speaker 1: Yanni Martelli, with his song Yen, which is translated to
Speaker 1: there are things. So let's check this out. Guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was dope. Again, we're gonna have to describe the video.
Speaker 1: So damn all the niggas jumping out the tr the
Speaker 1: truck and follow her on the street. A lot of
Speaker 1: bit you live. Got this old man spilling his drink
Speaker 1: looking at that fine ass. That's amazing. That's the girls.
Speaker 1: Girl is in danger. This woman is The cops are
Speaker 1: in on it and ship. Okay. So I mean the
Speaker 1: video starts out and he's hanging with his boys and
Speaker 1: then he sees a really pretty girl and you know,
Speaker 1: I guess they're trying to do the Michael Jackson the
Speaker 1: Way You Make Me Feel thing where he's following down
Speaker 1: the street but home he's got like a gang of
Speaker 1: dudes with him and ship. You can't just you can't
Speaker 1: follow motherfucker's that you don't know down the street with
Speaker 1: a gang of motherfucker's. Come on, man. Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: of the it's kind of like an R and B
Speaker 1: reggae sounding song that that's one of those sort of
Speaker 1: joints where it makes me wish that like I had
Speaker 1: more of an ear to determine whether that stuff is
Speaker 1: like because like I hear that and to me, it
Speaker 1: just sounds cool. You know, it sounds good, But I
Speaker 1: can't determine whether he is like dope where than another
Speaker 1: reggae artist, you know what I'm saying. So it just
Speaker 1: seems like, Okay, I guess this is good. But just
Speaker 1: in case there's any actual like reggae listeners, I don't
Speaker 1: want you to be like, man, why you give him
Speaker 1: that president that former president's son propty? Ain't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? He don't really rocket? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like putting it in contacts and be like I
Speaker 1: do exactly like I'm on a boat mother like whatever.
Speaker 1: Like yeah in the capitol Capitol like the way that
Speaker 1: we're going, y'all, y'all look out in the next four
Speaker 1: or five years. The Baron Trump LP produced by Kanye
Speaker 1: is on the way. It's on the way, it's coming.
Speaker 1: It's coming. Leave that y'all alone. That's child to not
Speaker 1: asking me born did not ask for that. Family, Well
Speaker 1: that's what Yeah, we got for the music today. Um
Speaker 1: we should we should wrap right, Yeah, let's drop it, Joel,
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