1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Because I have a dream my poor little children one 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: day live in a nation where they will not be 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: changed by the color of mass skin, but by the 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: content of back character. I have a dream I'll never 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: forget where I was on August when Dr Martin Luther 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: King stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: shared his dream. I had just turned seventeen. I was 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: sitting alone on the recliner in front of the television 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: and our home and Hot Springs, Arkansas. The speech moved 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: me to tears, and I wept for a good while 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: after it was over, filled with both emotion and determination 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: to do whatever I could for the rest of my 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: life to make Dr King's dream come true. So why 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: am I telling you this for two reasons. First of all, 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: in the fifty plus years since that hot summer day, 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: we have made important progress, But every day it is 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: painfully clear that we still have a very long way 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: to go. The deaths of so many have painfully reminded 19 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: us that a person's race still determines how they will 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: be treated in so many aspects of everyday American life, 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: and that truth has only been reinforced by the disparities 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: we see in the human and economic toll of the 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic, and in the many other ways that 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: embedded racism continues to unfold across our society. So after 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: all these years, it's still the responsibility of every American, 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: no matter what their background or what they their day 27 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: job is, to stand up and do what they can 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: to make it better. Today, I'm honored to be joined 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: by the youngest of those four children Dr King dreamed 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: of and his most famous speech. She has spent a 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: lifetime in pursuit of racial, social and economic justice from 32 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: the pulpit and from her perch as CEO of the 33 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: King Center for Non Violent Social Change. One of the 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: most remarkable and inspiring people I know, Dr Bernice King, 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Thank you, President Clinton. 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm always honored to be in your presence and even 37 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: more honored to have this conversation with you today. Well, 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: you know, we've known each other for a long time now, 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: and I've always wondered how you came to be who 40 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: you were. You could have been forgiven. If you've taken 41 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: a whole pass on all this business, if your memories 42 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: of standing in the pulpit and standing on the forefront 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: of social change and the sacrifices inherent and being a 44 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: member of your family had been so burdensome. You could 45 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: have walked away and been a perfectly fine, perfectly successful 46 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: something else, but you didn't. And I'd like to know 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: what do you think your childhood had to do with it? 48 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: And when did you realize the meaning of your father letter, 49 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: your mother's work, and how did you come to do 50 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: the same thing. Wow, that's a that's a great question. 51 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: Um and UM, I want to say it in in 52 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: in very short words first and then kind of expound. Uh. 53 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: The person I believe who singularly most uh impactful, influential 54 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: in my life with my mom. She was an extraordinary 55 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: example of what it means to sacrifice and serve humanity 56 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: and to do it in a way from a place 57 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: should I say, of continual forgiveness. You know. Uh, we 58 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: grew up in a household where my mother taught us 59 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: early on about not hating and particularly in our instance, 60 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: not hating the person who killed our father, um, and 61 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: would always invoke my father's words, Um, somebody has to 62 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: cut off the chain of violence. Now. As a kid, 63 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, I took those words very objectively that somebody 64 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: she was talking about somebody, but it wasn't me. Uh 65 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: and uh so as as I as I, as I 66 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: continued to grow and developed, I came to the understanding 67 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: because I was surrounded by all of the work that 68 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: she did to build the King's Center into the Martin 69 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: of the King's Center for Non Violent Social Change UM 70 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: and exposed early onto some of the non violent teachings. UM. 71 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: I began to understand that I was being drawn into this, 72 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: although I was very resistant because of the emotional trauma 73 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: that I suffered from my father's assassination at the age 74 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: of five, my uncle being mysteriously found in his pool 75 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: with awarding his lungs I was six, my grandmother being 76 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: shot in church when I was eleven years of age. UM. 77 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, trying to manage all of the barrage of 78 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: emotions that I was experiencing as a result of those 79 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: tragedies was was very difficult, and it landed me for 80 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: a season in a place of a lot of hate, uh, 81 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: hostility and anger, and um you know, I had to 82 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: wrestle with that. Being in a family that taught about love, 83 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: that taught about not just taught it, lived it uh 84 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: lived love, Live forgiveness. Um, and so I I was 85 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: on this journey. I got a call into ministry when 86 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: I was seventeen, and it was really just right before 87 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: that call where I came into a great understanding of 88 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: the work that my parents were involved in. I mean 89 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: we were, we were exposed to it as children, and 90 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: me in particular, I didn't get the same exposure as 91 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: my siblings because they were able to participate in at 92 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: least one or two things that my father did. I 93 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: never participated in anything. But I got an opportunity to 94 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: hear about things growing up. And I got an opportunity 95 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: to see the documentary Montgomery to Memphis, and when I 96 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: was sixteen, I recommended that we view that for our 97 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: youth group retreat youth group at the church, and I 98 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: had seen it many times, but this particular time, I 99 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 1: started crying and boo hooing, and um. We were in 100 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: the North Georgia mountains and I ran out of the 101 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: cabinet up into the woods. Some folks followed me, and uh, 102 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, they decided to kinda bring me back into 103 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: the inside. Upstairs, there was a bedroom and laid across 104 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: the bed and I for two hours. I was just 105 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: crying and saying, why, you know, why did you leave? 106 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: Why did you take them? You know, just a bunch 107 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: of wives. And after uh, I finished crying in my 108 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: heart and mind, I said, I'm done with you God, 109 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm done with Church. Well I could only do it, 110 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, in my mind and heart, because I was 111 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: in my mother's house. Um. And uh, it was at 112 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: that age I realized the fullness of it. And I 113 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: was angry because at that funeral scene at the end 114 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: of that documentary, you know, is when all of my 115 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: grief just began to pour out. So probably not just 116 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: degree from my father, but probably my uncle and my grandmother, 117 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: because I realized, Wow, my father and the rest of 118 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: the people, my mom as well, made extraordinary sacrifices for 119 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: our nation, and it's still seemed that we hadn't made 120 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: a lot of progress. And so I was. I was 121 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: hurt because I lost him and he wasn't here with us. Um. 122 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: And I was angry because I could have had my father. 123 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: That's how I was feeling at the time. UM. And 124 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: so it was a year later I said, at age seventeen, 125 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: I got this call because I said I was done 126 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: with God in church against God said no, you're not um, 127 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and so I surrendered. Uh. I surrendered in the sense 128 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: that I told my mom about it, but I ran 129 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: otherwise because I tried to figure out, you know, is 130 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: there anything else I could do that I won't have 131 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: to be under this martyr King's shadow because he was 132 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: a preacher, so people canna always see me in the 133 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: light of him, and I won't have my own identity. 134 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: And I always wanted to go to law school, and 135 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: so I ended up finishing high school going to Spellman 136 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: College majoring in psychology with the concentration in prelocics. I 137 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: knew I always wanted to go to law school US 138 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: to watch Parry Mason, love Perry Mason. I wanted to 139 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: be like Parry Mason all of that. UH, and I 140 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: have friends and said, you should be a lawyer. You'd 141 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: like to defend people and take up for people. I 142 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: can testify that, yes, you care. I went on to 143 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: UH Emory University a joint program. It was a very 144 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: few schools had it. A j D and a Master 145 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: of Divinity UM. So in five years I got my 146 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: law degree in my theology and it was there where 147 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: I started really wrestling with his calling, and I went 148 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: to theology school because I knew I had the calling, 149 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: so I went ahead and went to school. But I 150 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: was struggling with it early on at seventeen through one, 151 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: because I was young, I didn't see any women in 152 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: particularly in the Baptist Church. And finally I had this 153 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: experience that I think was a life changing moment um. 154 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: After two semesters in law school, I ended up on 155 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: probation the first semester. The second semester, I was still 156 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: in the theology school taking courses did well over there, 157 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: and they told me, look, um, if you don't improve 158 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: and come off of probation, um, which would have been 159 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: the third time going into the third time, we're gonna 160 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: have to release you from the law school. And so 161 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: all I can see with these headlines Dr King's door 162 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the flount side of law school. And at that time, 163 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: because I was carrying so much anger and hostility, hostility 164 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: and maybe even some rage, you know, and I felt 165 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: very disconnected. I Um, I went home, got a knife 166 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: and I wanted to kill myself. Um, but I had 167 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: this fear what if I wasn't successful. So all the 168 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: time I'm contemplating this, my roommate comes down, sees me. 169 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: She says, what are you doing? And she runs back upstairs. 170 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: Uh to call my my mom. In the meantime, I 171 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: hear this voice that says to me, put the knife down, 172 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: because you're gonna be missed. I'm thinking missed. Nobody cares 173 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: anything about me. Not necessarily true, but I was feeling 174 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: carrying all of this anger and feeling so separated. Um, 175 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: and then the voice said, you you have a calling. 176 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: And it was at that point, literally it was like 177 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: I was I went through my own resurrection experience of 178 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: coming out of you know, feeling disconnected and insignificant and 179 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: overwhelmed by all this anger, and uh, my life started changing. 180 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: At that point, That's when I really I tempt me, 181 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: but I fully gave my my life to Jesus Christ. 182 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: Although I grew up in the church, but it was 183 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: at that point I became more of a yielded vessel 184 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: and and decided that I was going to yield myself 185 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: to God's will and his direction. And um, about a 186 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: year later is when I preached my first sermon in 187 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: ministry and I went on this journey I had to go. 188 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: And I still had to go on the journey because 189 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: I still had the anger and frankly, uh, President Clinton, 190 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: I was I was. I was angry. And I also 191 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: had hate in my heart for all white people, although 192 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: people didn't know it because I was started King's daughter. 193 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: My mother taught me better, so I could, you know, shrouded. 194 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: But I hated. I hated white people that I especially 195 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: hated white men. UM. And I remember in two thousand 196 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: now I was licensed to preaching, ordained as licensed eight 197 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: eight or day ninety. But it was two thousands where 198 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: I had this encounter with a gentleman by the name 199 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: of Jim James Robot and UM Evangelical Ministry has a 200 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: show UM on one of the religious broadcasts, and in 201 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: the middle of talking about my dad, he said, you 202 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: know and all the pain I was having, he said, 203 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: can I give you a hug? Now? Inside I was like, 204 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, ain't snow Um, But I allowed it. And 205 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: when he hugged me, it was one of the most 206 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: genuine hugs I've ever received in my life. And it 207 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: started relieving me um of the way that I was 208 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: feeling about white people. And and from that point on, 209 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: doors just started opening. Things started happening, and you know, 210 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: I started really delving in and looking at this this 211 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: anger that was overtaking my life and causing me to 212 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: categorize people and target people and even mishandle people close 213 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: to me. So from the point of my mother saying, 214 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: as a child, somebody he has to cut off the 215 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: chain of violence. I got all this anger inside, and 216 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: typically anger when it erupts, it's just it has no 217 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: sense about it, so it will target any and everything 218 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: and earth and hurt people. Um and I had to 219 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: figure this out, and so I could hear, you gotta 220 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: cut off the chain. You don't want to be someone 221 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: who ends up letting that anger cause you to continue 222 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: to do violence. Because I was very valuable in my tongue. 223 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't until I became CEO of the King's Center 224 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: that my life began to really come and focus because 225 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: before then, you know, my mom was around. She was 226 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: the face of the legacy. You know, I obviously went 227 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: out speaking a lot of concerning my my father's legacy. 228 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: You know, I was committed to it, but I was 229 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: always wrestling with where do I fit, what do I do? 230 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: How do I distinguish myself? You know, what is my purpose? 231 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: What is my call? What can I do that it's 232 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: not always about king And then it dawned on me, Wow, 233 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: Daddy's teachings really come out of the world of God 234 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: for him, So there was not any inconsistency anymore for me. 235 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: I was able to reconcile. You know that this work 236 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: is really about vancing God's kingdom. It's about building a just, humane, equitable, 237 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: and peaceful world. And I don't feel like, you know, 238 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm not being true to my calling, you know, as 239 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: a preacher or as a minister, because you can express 240 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: it even beyond you know, the traditional pulpit. So the 241 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: senators like, uh, it's like part of my ministry to 242 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: the world. And um, you know, I now understand the 243 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: power of nonviolence to really transform you first, uh, and 244 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: then to pour out into the rest of the world 245 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: to change the world and to be that vessel, as 246 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: my mother said, had to cut off the chain of violence. 247 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: But thank God for her because I saw her over 248 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: and over again. There were things when people hurt her, 249 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: but she still extended herself in grace and love towards 250 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: those people and always wanted the best for other people. Well, 251 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: thank you. That was fascinating and a story I Wedger 252 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: very few Americans have heard. Let me ask you something 253 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: the it's sort of in the background of all this 254 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: turmoil we've been through in the last few years, and 255 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: particularly the killing of unarmed people of color and police incidents, 256 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: but also more mass shootings. How much do you believe 257 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: the forces that are behind this can be banked, erased, 258 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: gotten out of our spirit? And what is the relationship 259 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: between the pulpit and salvation and the practical challenges you 260 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: face and makings change. Well, you know, let's mentioning question 261 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: because I'm I'm of the firm belief UM that if 262 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: we have enough people like my mother and father, UM, 263 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: like the gun days, if they're cultivated UM to really 264 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: be these vessels um of love or as as my 265 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: father said, that the philosophy and strategy of nonviolence must 266 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: immediately become a subject of study and serious experimentation in 267 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: every field of human conflict, by no means excluding nations. 268 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: I think if we take those words to heart and 269 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: we really begin to saturate it um in our uh, 270 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: in our society, UH, from childhood forward, we will begin 271 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: to raise young people who are other centered, who are 272 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: who are focused on the good of humanity, people who 273 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: will understand the value, the dignity, and the worth of 274 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: all individuals. UM. That that we are, you know, as 275 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: as we say in in in the Christian faith, we 276 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: are created in the imago dath, in the image and 277 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: after the likeness of God. UM. Just by listening to 278 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: some of the conversations that the younger generation has, they 279 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: they seem to be wired toward that UM. And yes, 280 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: they they're exposed to all of the bad and the 281 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: ugly things that that we continue to expose them too, 282 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's something like inside of them 283 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: that's that's still very grounded in a way that that 284 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: little verse about and a little child should leave them. 285 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: It's like they are tapping into our conscience UM and 286 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: and awakening us uh. In the non violent philosophy, we 287 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: call it the win win pathway, you know. And I 288 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: think we have to take more time to understand each other. 289 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: And Stephen Kobe talks about one of the habits of 290 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: highly affective people is seeking to understand rather than to 291 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: be understood. UM. We don't spend enough time trying to 292 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: understand how people are, how they get where they are, 293 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, how do they develop UM into these mindsets 294 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: into these ideologies. What happened to them? Because something happened. 295 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: We're not born hating. I mean that we're just not. 296 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: People are are socialized UM and and they they you know, 297 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: they're taught UM that model. In other words, that they're 298 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: surrounded by UM. And it's tough. Yes, we have complicated 299 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: because you've been president, you know the complicated issues around 300 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: the world. Nations have different ideologies, belief systems, religions, you know, practices, behaviors, um, 301 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: et cetera. But I just I hold on to the 302 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: belief of the ultimate triumph of good, of love and 303 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: of truth. But we have to stay uh persistent, we 304 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: have to stay diligent, we have to stay vigilant. And 305 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: as a generation is raised, they're gonna be the ones 306 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: to to really saturate this around the world. Um. It 307 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: just I don't know what else to say. Um I 308 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: have I have that much hope and I have that 309 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: much belief because we're gonna find it. Everything else we 310 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: try and it is not working. Violence violence doesn't work, 311 00:20:52,960 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: and disregarding people doesn't work either. We'll be right back. 312 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: I remember when you came to the White House at 313 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: my invitation more than twenty years ago, and you spoke 314 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,239 Speaker 1: on a program welcoming President Mandela to Washington. That's the 315 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: thing that most amazed me about him, That is, he 316 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: was the first person I had seen who got political 317 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: power and did not abuse it, and did not spend 318 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: one second trying to get even or whatever. And he 319 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: realized he had to in effect rescue his adversaries, form 320 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: themselves from their hatred and and restore them to a 321 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: place where they could be part of a common future. 322 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: He's the only person I ever knew who suffered that 323 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: much then't got that much political power and did it. 324 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: And the thing I said that you're saying, it's you 325 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: know how you struggle to get there. Because I knew 326 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: Mandela well enough to know that he still got mad, 327 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: and he still had bad memories. He still wanted to 328 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: lash out when somebody said something stupid or hateful or 329 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: did something wrong. But he had developed, over all over 330 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: years and his monastery his prison, a an iron discipline 331 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: and a pattern of thinking and feeling where he could 332 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: have a quick snapback. And I often thought, after I 333 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: really got to know Mandela, it made me reexamine other 334 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: people's lives more like your father. I thought, how could 335 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: have got this smart put up with all that stuff 336 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: and keep going with a loving heart. And I think 337 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: you have to. It's a discipline. You have to develop 338 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: a quick snapback. If you want to win this social 339 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: change argument. You have to keep the door open while 340 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: others are shutting theirs. And that requires a lot of effort. Yeah. 341 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, my mother said to me once when I 342 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: was extremely angry and I was about to make this 343 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: major decision, and I was driving on one of our 344 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: freeways here and she stopped me and she said, baby, 345 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: never make a decision in your anger. I said, oh wow. 346 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: And what I heard is she wasn't condemning me for 347 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: being angry. We're gonna have those feelings. We're gonna get mad, 348 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, p old Um enraged about things that are 349 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: unjust and inhumane. But what she was saying to me is, 350 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: don't let that translate into something that you may either 351 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: lay to regret or something that you can give yourself 352 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: time to use your mind, which God is our mind 353 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: is supposed to be much higher, you know, a conscious 354 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: than I, than than our feelings and emotions. I say 355 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: to people never we we have responsibility and not leave 356 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: people in their ignorance and their hatred, in their anger, 357 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: in their fear, you know. And and that's hard. I 358 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: know everybody can't do that. But we're in this world 359 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: house together. One of the things that's interesting to me, 360 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: so much of this is rooted not only in age 361 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: old questions of human nature and identity, needing somebody to 362 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: look down on and not this to be different from, 363 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: but to be better than. Yeah, I mean, there is 364 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: a there's a route. There's a route to violence, There's 365 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: there's a route to injustice. Um. And that's what I 366 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: think non violence seeks to get at with people. UM. 367 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: But honestly, non violences when when you think about it, 368 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: it's it's really love translated into action. And so that's 369 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: why we've we've launched this be Loved campaign because, um, 370 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: we got to get people to a place where they 371 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: are not driven out of these feelings, like mother said, 372 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: not making decisions in your feelings, uh, but really making 373 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: it out of this this heart of love, at this 374 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: understanding of the dignity and value and worth of the person. 375 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: Um that regardless of what you know, what I may feel, 376 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: what I may think, you know, every person in the universe. 377 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: I hate to say this. If people don't want to 378 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: hear it is valuable to God. Um. And so you know, yeah, 379 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I think about that all the time that you know, 380 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: how do we get to the root of all of this? Yeah? 381 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: And and yet we we gotta go back to to 382 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: the beginning. Where did this white supremacy uh rulership and 383 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: power uh of construct and way of operating? Where did 384 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: what did that come out of? As you said, you 385 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: you you can you you classify it as the need 386 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: to look down and put down um others. You know, 387 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: where does that come from? Um? And that's something we 388 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: have to explore. I don't I don't know a hundred percent, 389 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: but I do know it's something in this this love 390 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: factor that has a lot to do with it. You know, 391 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: the more full of love of person is the less 392 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: they are meeting. Because when you have self love, you 393 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: don't need to look down on anybody else. Um. And 394 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: if you have love of others, that's complimenting that you 395 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: You you kind of affirmed them as you affirm yourself. 396 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't know who you're supposed to give on and 397 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: who you're not supposed to give up on, But I 398 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: think reaching across the identity divides is humanizing. You don't 399 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: have to say, are now forget everything you ever did 400 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: or now realize there's no difference between us. That's not true. 401 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: But somehow we have to scratch each other enough that 402 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: we find a person down there. And that's what I 403 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: think you're trying to do. And right I was talked about, 404 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: you know, forgiving your enemies, and so because I was 405 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: talked so early on, and not just talk because my 406 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: mother didn't just talk about it. She immolated these things 407 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: because it was who she was. You know, she wasn't 408 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: made by Martin Luther King Jr. They met as two 409 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: powerful forces because she was an activist in our own 410 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: right as you know, a peace activists before they met 411 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: um and was very responsible for really the final push 412 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: of him speaking out against the war in Vietnam that 413 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: at the time was controversial. Later on we acknowledged it 414 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: was a big mistake. Uh But her extraordinary example is 415 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: really what ultimately went out, you know, in my life. 416 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: And so as a child, I'm seeing all of this 417 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: being exuded by my mom, and you know, later on 418 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: it was very hard for me not to be kind of, 419 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of shaped in that fashion myself. Uh 420 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: So it is. You know, teaching this stuff early on, 421 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: exposing kids very early on is important, um to get 422 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: into this this place. And you know some people may 423 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: never never get that experience. But whatever point we can 424 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: intersect with people's lives, you know, to unburden them from 425 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: themselves so that they can join this journey. As my 426 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: mother would say, struggle being a never ending process, freedom 427 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: never being one you earned it and win it in 428 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: every generation. Join this struggle in this generation to win 429 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: freedom together. That's so important. I think You're beloved campaign 430 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: as the potential to break people out of the paradigm 431 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: that we have been in for some years now, where 432 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: every struggle is a zero some game and sometimes we're up, 433 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: sometimes we're down the but you gotta be on one 434 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: side of the other and we keep in score as 435 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: if my life will have more meaning if yours has less, 436 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: and and you're trying to say, we're just here for 437 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: a little while and my life will have more meaning 438 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: if yours has more. We'll be right back. Tell us 439 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: before we close the program a little more specifically about 440 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: your beloved campaign, Who is in it? How do you 441 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: join it? Because uh, what you said about your mother 442 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: was right. She was her own person from a very 443 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: young age. But she was on a journey of mental discipline. 444 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: Your father had to get from Gandhi to the Edmund 445 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: Prettis Bridge requires that a discipline. How do you apply 446 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: these teachings to what we're going through? And then how 447 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: can it benefit people in any community in America? And 448 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: how can people participate so that the the who is 449 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: whosoever will if I can be just frank we we 450 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: we opened it up to the world. This campaign invites 451 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: people who really are wanting to uh realign our our 452 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: world and our society with a force that can help 453 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: us create this just, humane, equitable and peaceful world that 454 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: many of us talk about and in so many different circles. 455 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: But but what is going to galvanize us? And how 456 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: do we kind of get on one page of of 457 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: responding uh to so many different things in our world. 458 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: And that's what the movement was about. What people fail 459 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: to understand is that my father's movement had a philosophical grounding. 460 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: That's what kept the people cohesive, you know, and kept 461 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: them you know, moving in the same direction. And so 462 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: this is like the vision, it's it's we're casting the 463 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: vision to society you as an individual be of not 464 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: just you know, in a not in a sentimental way, 465 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: but in a very powerful, unconditional UM, devoted and committed 466 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: to uh sin that the justice is implemented and done 467 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: in a way that we're not unjust in the actions 468 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: that we take to create justice. So we align our 469 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: means and ends UM and UH. We also work together 470 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 1: on looking how we can influence UM and implement policies 471 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: that are in alignment with just, humane, you know, peaceful 472 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: and equitable outcomes. So people sign up, they take the pledge, 473 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: and then we invite them to the trainings. There is 474 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: a way to speak truth in love that does not diminish, 475 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: that does not demean, that does not seek to destroy 476 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: character or seek to win the argument UH over people, 477 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: but seeks to elevate the truth in the end, when 478 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: we have these conflicts, whether you're talking about in Congress 479 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: right now, on the voting front here in Georgia, at 480 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: the end of the day, after we finished this particular battle, 481 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: whichever way it turns out, UM, we still have to 482 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: live together in community. Otherwise, as you said, the door 483 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: is closed, and then we're cut off further from each other. 484 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: And when the next issue arises. We're so far from 485 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: each other, we're not close enough to even begin to 486 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: work towards a win win solution because we're we're so opposed. 487 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: I feel that the whole world and uh, every corner 488 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: of America, yeh, as been caught up in this whirlwind 489 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: of identity conflicts. And you know, if you think about it, 490 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: our minds and eventually our emotions are defined by categories. 491 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: And yet if you believe in love, you have to 492 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: believe that somehow, beyond all these categories is something fundamentally 493 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: you can share with every other human being. And otherwise, 494 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: if our identity is just defined by our categories, pretty 495 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: soon we look more like cartoons than people. And you know, 496 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: trying to keep people from running into it because cartoons 497 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: are comfortable. You know what the colors are, you know 498 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: where the lines are drawn, you know everything. But I 499 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: think it's really this is a brave and ambitious thing 500 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, And we have all these labels we 501 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: put on people, and that becomes our definition and way 502 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: of engaging them because if they are like if they're Republican, 503 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: don't deal with them. And there's more to them than 504 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: the label. Um. And when we When we understand that 505 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: and connect in the in the common space, we can 506 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: do so much uh more good. And so what you 507 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: what you explained to me ultimately is something that Daddy 508 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: left us with with these words. Men hate each other 509 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: because they fear each other, and they fear each other 510 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: because they don't know each other, and they don't know 511 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: each other because they are they don't communicate with each 512 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: other and they're gonna communicate because they're separate from each other. 513 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: We've got to create spaces and opportunities to truly know 514 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: each other in more meaningful and depthful ways, beyond all 515 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: of our different identities. Who are you? And what will 516 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: discover is who we must be to each other. And 517 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: that's what this campaign is also about, answering that question. 518 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Who must we be? We must be human beings who 519 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: regard and respect and value other human beings who may 520 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: have all these different kinds of identities, but they are 521 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: a member of our human family. They're situated in the 522 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: world house. And everybody wants to live in a community 523 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: of of whether there's respect and dignity and equity and 524 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: and and justice. And you know, if we don't commit 525 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: ourselves to that, I shudder. To think where we're headed. 526 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, these are difficult issues. I look 527 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: forward to the day when we're not having these battles 528 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: around voting. Uh. Voting is the one way that we 529 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: are all in common. It's it's the one thing that 530 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: that is a common denominator in a democracy. And we've 531 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: got to figure out how to codify it in our constitution. 532 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the guarantee of the right to vote is 533 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: not in our constitution. UM. So we're down here, as 534 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: so many people are in forty three uh states, you know, UM, 535 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: trying to pushing the right direction, hoping that corporations will 536 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: get more involved in this struggle to create this just 537 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: humane and equitable, peaceful society and not just creating a 538 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: bottom line for themselves, because otherwise we're just gonna keep 539 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: tearing apart and it's not gonna be pretty. Well, it's 540 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: not gonna be pretty. And we can't preserve the greatness 541 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: and promise of our country unless we do it together. 542 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: We've we can pretend all we wanted. We will be 543 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: the same country if we just little cut ourselves off 544 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: from one another and disempower massive numbers of Americans that 545 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: don't agree with us. But it won't work. And therefore, 546 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: in some ways you're fighting the oldest battle of humanity, 547 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,479 Speaker 1: all dressed up in a new suit, with the whole 548 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: future of all the young people in America rotting on it, 549 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: and and all the people we might still help. So 550 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful to you. I'd like to close by 551 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: giving you a chance to say one more time how 552 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: they can reach you and share their ideas and give 553 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: you support. They can go to the King's Center dot 554 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: org for that. And again, the first thing you'll see 555 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: on the website is be loved and take the pledge. UM. Yes, 556 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: we we're gonna be driving it very hard because we 557 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: need love to change these systems. Anger is not gonna 558 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: change the system. You know, we'll we'll we'll just you know, 559 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: continue to go back, fire and fire hate on hate, 560 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 1: hate never UM does away with hate, as Dad said, 561 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: only love does that. And we gotta multiply love in 562 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: the universe to overwhelm the hate. UM. And and so 563 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna drive and we're gonna make sure 564 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: that in the end people know that we're not talking 565 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: about some man be pan b you know, some kind 566 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: of weak sentimental stuff. We're talking about that strength to love, 567 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: that that power to stand in the face of ugliness. 568 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 1: You know that John Lewis and jose williams Um and 569 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: CT Vivian and Amelia Boynton, you know, and even Viola 570 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: Louisa and and Jimmy Lee Jackson, you know, and Rosa 571 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: Parks stood in the face up. That was an act 572 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: and demonstration of love that Rosa Parks did. It wasn't 573 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: us about. She was concerned about that bus driver too. 574 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: She wanted him liberated and free from from having to 575 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: to to be so ugly and mean, um and and 576 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 1: and and oppressive. Uh. And so that's a powerful love 577 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: that faces that kind of stuff and still stand strong. 578 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: And in the end people should never forget. In a 579 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: nonviolent revolution, then maybe loss of life, but it's a 580 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: minimal compared to a violent revolution. You have been a 581 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: blessing in my life and a blessing and the lives 582 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: of so many. And I think your biggest and most 583 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: important work is still to come, because we have been 584 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: all caught up almost like rats, running around in amaze 585 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: these last few years and battles of dueling resentments in 586 00:40:53,960 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: America and crumbling old world order. And uh, we have 587 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: to build a lot of new things with a lot 588 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: of young people for their future. And and you you 589 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: are giving people away to both preserve what we have 590 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: to preserve, including voting rights, and build the future we 591 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: need to build. And I'm very grateful to you, and 592 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: I hope that many people will listen to you today, 593 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: heed your call in contact and offer to help. Bless you, 594 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, God, bless you too. 595 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: Why am I telling you? This is a production of 596 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: our Heart Radio, the Clinton Foundation and at Will Media. 597 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Craig Manascian and Will Malnati. Our 598 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: production team includes Mitch Bluestein, Jamison cat Sufis, Tom Galton, 599 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: Sarah Harrows, and Jake Young, with production support from Tyler 600 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: Scott and Olatavia Young. Original music by What White. 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