Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, I am all in with
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson an I heeart radio podcast. Everybody Scott Patterson,
Speaker 1: I am all in podcast. I am back to the
Speaker 1: old traditional one eleven productions. iHeart radio. I am joined
Speaker 1: by my intrepid crew, Tara Sued, Daniel Romo, and the
Speaker 1: wet haired Josh. Freshly out of the shower. Amy tried
Speaker 1: hard to be on time San Francisco mansion. By the way,
Speaker 1: big man, she moves around a lot, it's basically a studio. Uh.
Speaker 1: I tried so hard to be on time because this
Speaker 1: is like a big day. See see Tara looks like
Speaker 1: freshly blow dried and like ready for a proper nally.
Speaker 1: In my defense, I went to the gym at seven.
Speaker 1: I was home by eight. I fully showered and out,
Speaker 1: everything done before nine. It makes you if it makes
Speaker 1: you feel better, Amy, I'm a combination of you and Tara.
Speaker 1: I showered, however, my hair is still half wet, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm gonna have all this time.
Speaker 1: I'll be all organized of all my notes. I was
Speaker 1: running frantic, but everyone's like, please get to this. Going
Speaker 1: on experiencing torrential downpours wherever we are. So it's like
Speaker 1: an inside day anyway, good day to be watching Gilmore
Speaker 1: an inside days, I will say, isn't a rainy day
Speaker 1: a great day for Gilmore girls? It's it's it's really
Speaker 1: the best. It kind of gives you that feeling like
Speaker 1: you're in the Northeast. It's a little cold, it's cloudy,
Speaker 1: maybe snowing in. An episode's coming on and if this episode,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this episode's called Raincoats, Raincoats and Recipes,
Speaker 1: and raincoats and recipes, which is lethal combination for insiders. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is season four, episode twenty two, Raincoats and Recipes.
Speaker 1: Air date May eighteenth, two thousand and four. It's a
Speaker 1: big weekend for Loralai. The Dragonfly in is having a
Speaker 1: test run with friends from Stars Hollow. Loralai invites her
Speaker 1: parents and Emily finally admits what's going on in her
Speaker 1: and Richard's marriage. Jason Style shows up and almost ruins
Speaker 1: Luke's chances at Loralai, but a big gesture finally makes
Speaker 1: them realize their feelings for each other. Lastly, Rory and
Speaker 1: Dean commit a big mistake that will have irreparable damage
Speaker 1: to his marriage. All Right, let's get into this. Let's
Speaker 1: do a countdown three to one and we're off. What
Speaker 1: do you think of the episode? You guys go first.
Speaker 1: Danielle and Scott want to go first? Scot, you go best,
Speaker 1: I've seen best of the best. Delightful, joyful, funny, light, wonderful,
Speaker 1: a little a little bit of heaviness there with Richard
Speaker 1: and Emily, but that's fine. You kind of needed it.
Speaker 1: And uh and Loral and Rory, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: I am team Lorela. She really was correct, but we'll
Speaker 1: get to that command that kid, she was not well.
Speaker 1: You could catch that sexual tension between those two with
Speaker 1: a knife. Wow. True, but it does take it great
Speaker 1: this woman say, lora life some finally, somebody in that
Speaker 1: show called Rory out. And that's what Lorala I did
Speaker 1: in this episode. And I could not be more happy.
Speaker 1: And she called her out like norly, like she did.
Speaker 1: She was heartbroken, disappointed, but she wasn't mad. She was
Speaker 1: just discussed. It's like, what are you doing? This is
Speaker 1: not you? You know, like, yeah, oh I love that,
Speaker 1: And I know I think a great beginning, a great ending,
Speaker 1: a great all. I mean it just that kiss there
Speaker 1: of a kiss. So let's save that. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: let's build up to that, just like just like the
Speaker 1: show so artfully did. Um, yeah, let's not rush to it.
Speaker 1: Should we go in order? Should we think? I think
Speaker 1: we should? I think we should still, we should? Got
Speaker 1: you missed, Danielle. I didn't know. Should we stand still?
Speaker 1: I said, should we stand still? Get it? Would you
Speaker 1: stand still? Would you please just stand still? Like I said,
Speaker 1: let's let's not go there yet. I know everybody's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Revn their engines for the Luke and Laurel.
Speaker 1: I five hundred? Where is missus? Where is missus Scott
Speaker 1: Patterson when we need you know? She actually walked in,
Speaker 1: uh when I was watching it last night and right
Speaker 1: during that pivotal scene, and she just smiled and smiled,
Speaker 1: and I kind of mad. I forgot to ask her
Speaker 1: what it's like when she sees you in Laurel. But
Speaker 1: I love to say that for part two. I don't
Speaker 1: think she's thrilled. But yeah, I mean I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's thrilled by that. It's also your
Speaker 1: job that you've like seasons, you know, the smile just
Speaker 1: becomes kind of frozen. That must be tough. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie like that's tough. Yeah. Yeah, it's only tough
Speaker 1: because like so many people like fall in love with
Speaker 1: their co stars, like and and that's like oh, but
Speaker 1: also it's like your significant other is known for having
Speaker 1: this groundbreaking kiss with a different girl, you know, like
Speaker 1: even though it's not like Scott Patterson, but like you
Speaker 1: as Luke, like everyone knows this kiss. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: have a we have a child together, so it's like
Speaker 1: a yeah, yeah, she's got a leg up on the life.
Speaker 1: She's got a legit card on the fictional character and
Speaker 1: the I think there's like legal paperwork too, so I
Speaker 1: think you're sorry. I think she's solid but very very legal. Yes,
Speaker 1: extremely legal in the state of California. So okay, let's
Speaker 1: go from the beginning. First of all, Rory was so
Speaker 1: like speedy with the PoTA pasta and the mac and
Speaker 1: cheese and she can't sleep at all, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, she on drugs, Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: She was definitely setting up for the fact that she's
Speaker 1: going to make a massive mistake this episode, you know,
Speaker 1: like she was so frantic. I like that Lorela just
Speaker 1: closed the door and blocked it. She's like, right, that's
Speaker 1: great opening, and just I don't know, that's just sort
Speaker 1: of normal adjusting to college schedule that she hasn't you know,
Speaker 1: that's how she kind of lives now. Now she's coming
Speaker 1: back into the place, you know, coming home and imposing
Speaker 1: that on Laurel, and it's like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: I also thought for two people that don't grocery shop,
Speaker 1: they had an extraordinary, extraordinary amount of fruit in that
Speaker 1: fruit bowl. Well, I'm surprised they had food. In general,
Speaker 1: they never have food, right, That's why I was like,
Speaker 1: I think they cut all those fruit buying scenes out
Speaker 1: in the final edit because they're not compelling. They're just
Speaker 1: buying fruit. I thought Laurella's tank top that she sleeps
Speaker 1: in was very cute. You like that, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta keep my fashion. Maybe Luke would stop buy
Speaker 1: you never know, I gotta be ready, gotta have a
Speaker 1: piece of fruit ready, or we're gonna cut that out,
Speaker 1: aren't we? Oh we sure aren't. We might um And
Speaker 1: then it's just the funny line, great to have you
Speaker 1: home perfect. So yeah, I mean, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my favorite opening scene of all time, but no, complaints.
Speaker 1: It's just nice to see her back home though, yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, off the phone. It was actually maybe my
Speaker 1: favorite opening really yeah, yeah, because it was short. It
Speaker 1: was it was shortened, it was easy, it was funny, um,
Speaker 1: and it was a good point. I wonder if they
Speaker 1: had to keep it tight because there's so much to
Speaker 1: get to. They couldn't, like because some of those openings
Speaker 1: are longer, right, And I'm so glad that they cut
Speaker 1: really late, like great writing. You you know, when you're
Speaker 1: deciding how to write any scene. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: tell you all the books tell you to cut in
Speaker 1: as late as possible into the scene and get out
Speaker 1: of the scene as early as possible. Explain that what
Speaker 1: does that mean? So you don't want to do all
Speaker 1: the high hellos? How are you in that? So when
Speaker 1: you see movies that know, your people are constantly introducing themselves,
Speaker 1: it's like, that's bad writing. Okay, it's interesting. True. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad they cut into it after she got home
Speaker 1: and she got settled in and she's just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't get the scene where Laura like
Speaker 1: gets woken up by the doors closing and it's rory
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. It's just like their in process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like she's already awake, she's she's drowsy, she's kind
Speaker 1: of skulking around like she's tired. And it was just great.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you've got all the information you need, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. Cool, Yeah, yeah, let me learn that it's
Speaker 1: going to be the test run at the Inn and
Speaker 1: that they've invited you know, their friends, the townspeople. Although
Speaker 1: I have a few flags on the play. That's there
Speaker 1: were some people I'd never seen before that got invited
Speaker 1: to the Inn. I'm like, the hell are they? But
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. And Michelle really wants to invite
Speaker 1: the dog, So that's kind of where at I'm comparing
Speaker 1: the dog so Rory so relatable. Let's talk about my dog.
Speaker 1: This is kids, and you know, in a macro sense,
Speaker 1: I think it was really clever to end this season
Speaker 1: with the opening of the Dragonfly, Yeah, because it was
Speaker 1: such a celebration and it really gave the audience something
Speaker 1: that they were waiting for and had and had, you know,
Speaker 1: paid the price of admission to to to witness and
Speaker 1: now you get to witness it. You don't have to
Speaker 1: wait all summer or all yeah, all summer because we
Speaker 1: go on our height. Yeah, that's a great that's a
Speaker 1: great point. They gave him a nice meal, a nice completion.
Speaker 1: Did anyone notice that Lorelai was wearing a dragonfly T shirt?
Speaker 1: Like dragon Yeah, big giant dragonfly. So okay. A couple comments.
Speaker 1: One is I definitely thought about I cannot believe everyone
Speaker 1: when they watched is the first time had to wait
Speaker 1: so long? I mean, this is what is this May
Speaker 1: and we don't get the payoff until September. Now we
Speaker 1: are in a different experience, and so are all the
Speaker 1: people that have watched on Netflix and DVDs or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like those og original fans had to wait months
Speaker 1: on that cliffhanger. Yeah, they got a lot in this episode.
Speaker 1: They got a lot of loose ends tight up. They
Speaker 1: were left with like will they are wat right? So
Speaker 1: if you're gonna write, it's not that kind of waiting.
Speaker 1: It's not torturous. It's like it's like joyful anticipation, like, oh,
Speaker 1: is it going to work out between those two? Is
Speaker 1: it gonna what's gonna happen with Roy? How the dragonflies
Speaker 1: up and going? You know, it's all positive everything's positive,
Speaker 1: not Rory and Dean. I don't know. I kind of
Speaker 1: see that as a positive. I like that, I think, really,
Speaker 1: I think that's the most interesting storyline of this entire line,
Speaker 1: of course, but it's yeah, gnarly, you know they're feeling
Speaker 1: so much. I agree with you in a different on
Speaker 1: a different way, because I feel like I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't love it, but I appreciated the fact that this
Speaker 1: is happening to her because she's gonna learn so much
Speaker 1: from it, you know what I mean. Like that, that's
Speaker 1: where I was coming from. At least I like it,
Speaker 1: But I think she should have. I would have liked
Speaker 1: running off with Jess me too. I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: I wanted another Jess moment. Yeah, I would have it.
Speaker 1: I would have picked the Jess moment over this, to
Speaker 1: be honest. Yeah, that's so funny Amy that the writers
Speaker 1: did this because it makes Rory so flawed. Yes, this
Speaker 1: is a better compelling story since we are watching a
Speaker 1: TV show. But like, like, if she still wanted her
Speaker 1: to go with you, she's gonna do the massive sabotage
Speaker 1: screw up on her life with Jess. The Dean thing.
Speaker 1: Sleeping with Dean was a good starter kit. Right, at
Speaker 1: least it gets us a step closer. So like, oh,
Speaker 1: now she's capable of blowing up her life, big team,
Speaker 1: And that is a really important Scott save that again
Speaker 1: because that is such an important note for anyone who
Speaker 1: hasn't seen this. She really does know how to screw.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, the thing I appreciate you about
Speaker 1: it is she's she's following her heart. She screwed up,
Speaker 1: she didn't do anything. She may have something done something
Speaker 1: wrong morally, but she didn't do it. Um you know,
Speaker 1: she didn't do it with with malicious intent. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She's following her heart. And
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult for adults not to follow their hearts.
Speaker 1: Imagine with all those hormones raging eighteen year old. Right,
Speaker 1: we'll get to this because in her heart, I think
Speaker 1: she actually believed that Lindsay and Dean were done like
Speaker 1: in her heart, right, And it's not till her mom
Speaker 1: points out how not to do and they are and
Speaker 1: then the phone call, which we'll get to. We're going out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to bring something up that's going a tad controversial.
Speaker 1: It just rocketed right into the middle of my brain
Speaker 1: and I have to spit it out here. What if
Speaker 1: it's if if if Rory is flawed and she's becoming flawed,
Speaker 1: and yay for that and all that, okay, and I
Speaker 1: want to say this the right way so as not
Speaker 1: to trigger people, but what are you know? It's like,
Speaker 1: I say, what are the holes in her life? How
Speaker 1: is she filling the holes in her life? The lack
Speaker 1: of a father figure in the house twenty four to seven?
Speaker 1: You know, a traditional family, nuclear family unit. She didn't
Speaker 1: have that. She had her mom, who was fantastic in
Speaker 1: every way, but a little on the um shall we say,
Speaker 1: uh freewheeling. Yeah, I mean her mom's like like Laureliz
Speaker 1: is kind of like a hippie. Yeah, she just she
Speaker 1: just says what she and a great example for a
Speaker 1: kid and all heart and soul. But did she, in
Speaker 1: you know, in a practical sense, set the best example
Speaker 1: for her daughter, um, in every situation, in every situation,
Speaker 1: Not that everybody does, but I mean, how risky is
Speaker 1: her upbringing compared to a traditional upbringing? And maybe this
Speaker 1: is why she's this is how she's flawed. I think
Speaker 1: that you make such an interesting topic here, because this
Speaker 1: is where we could address should a mother and daughter
Speaker 1: be best friends? Right? Maybe not, that's a good way
Speaker 1: of putting it. Yes, you facinctly yes, and so and
Speaker 1: I think when necessary, Lorelei really slips into parenting mode,
Speaker 1: you know, like we saw it really evident when Rory
Speaker 1: and Dean fell asleep at Miss Patty's and they forgot
Speaker 1: to come home, and she really even though Lorela knew
Speaker 1: nothing happened, it's like that that was a real parenting moment,
Speaker 1: and there were a few others. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why it sort of shocks Rory, because this was a
Speaker 1: very firm parenting moment and a parent being disappointed, and
Speaker 1: Rory sort of like, what are you talking about? Like
Speaker 1: Rory literally thought Loralai was going to be happy about this, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: She thought the big problem was sorry, didn't tell you
Speaker 1: in advance. I don't think it occurred to her until
Speaker 1: she and she brought up the fact that she's like, well,
Speaker 1: you slept with dad when he was well. I was like, good, comeback, Rory.
Speaker 1: I've I was like, oh yeah, And Loria's response was
Speaker 1: that's different. And so I think you do have a
Speaker 1: point there, Like she is looking she's looking up to
Speaker 1: her mom. But that's not a traditional right household. And
Speaker 1: let me ask you guys this. You know, um, can
Speaker 1: you even can you even imagine there being a husband
Speaker 1: in that household? Even now? No, I mean that we're
Speaker 1: light years away from that on Gilmore Girls. It is
Speaker 1: such a single parent home. I'm not girls house. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's a good or a bad thing. I
Speaker 1: think that Rory got very lucky with having such a
Speaker 1: spectacular mom. But that's a lot of heavy lifting for
Speaker 1: one person to read. When Max tried to move in
Speaker 1: or sleep over, it was like this, Yeah, but seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the gap there and if it
Speaker 1: even if you want to see it that way, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not a gap. Maybe for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, there's no you know, there's no husband there,
Speaker 1: there's no father there. Um so so but can you
Speaker 1: even imagine there being somebody there? Even there isn't there's
Speaker 1: no space right physically and figuratively, figuratively figuratively in that
Speaker 1: house for anyone else. Yeah. Yeah, they got to work
Speaker 1: it out themselves between the two of them. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have so much more to time. So does it make
Speaker 1: Rory a stronger person. Ultimately, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that she she has to sort of, you know, in
Speaker 1: a lot of situations raise her mother yea, like be
Speaker 1: the parent to her, but not on this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well in the one line and Tara points it out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you slept with Christopher. Yeah, but well we'll get
Speaker 1: into that. We're going to debate all this. So okay,
Speaker 1: so I do like she's putting post it's everywhere for
Speaker 1: the work that needs to be done, which is just
Speaker 1: like kind of hilarious. Are you a post it people
Speaker 1: or are you like to do list people? Both? Yeah? Both?
Speaker 1: Wait sidebar. Are you guys are good at like accomplishing
Speaker 1: your to do list? Like, are you guys those people
Speaker 1: that are oh my god, you should? There's that and
Speaker 1: then and then there's my calendar sheet from my god,
Speaker 1: did you get it done every day? Yeah? I check
Speaker 1: mark as I go and if I don't finish, I
Speaker 1: roll it over to the next day. Kind of slap happy,
Speaker 1: like what, okay, so what do we think? What does
Speaker 1: it dry your hair, take a shower? Put your list
Speaker 1: is like try to get dressed and the driveway called
Speaker 1: the other proprietorsy of my other mansions. Yeah, make sure
Speaker 1: the windows are closed to make sure. What do you
Speaker 1: think of Lulu and Kirk? I love them together? He too.
Speaker 1: I think it was pretty good. I mean it was
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, Like she doesn't know how weird he is, like,
Speaker 1: She's just kind of like okay, yeah, yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: I just love you play that whole storyline through. Oh,
Speaker 1: Lulu is so sweet and she sort of worships him,
Speaker 1: which is totally insane. Yeah, and then I love that
Speaker 1: he comes to you. He goes to Luke always to
Speaker 1: be his guiding lde, his brother, his father figure, his help,
Speaker 1: all that. And then you hear like, oh, we've had
Speaker 1: a lot of sex, we just never slept over and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I really was like, whoa right? But
Speaker 1: he's so sweet, she's so excited about it, and he
Speaker 1: wants when you're happy. And then he has the night tares.
Speaker 1: The whole thing. It's just like, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was like, how is no one
Speaker 1: in the town known about his night tares? He just
Speaker 1: runs out, you know, it is naked everywhere all the time.
Speaker 1: Absolute classic Kirk scene. That might be my favorite Kirksyne.
Speaker 1: I agree because it's such a Gilmore way to break
Speaker 1: up the kiss, which we can get to too that
Speaker 1: it's like, because how are you going to end that? Right?
Speaker 1: How did you move on from that? Other than him?
Speaker 1: I also thought it was very funny when he says
Speaker 1: to Lorelai, is Luke here yet? Like that's funny the bit.
Speaker 1: It was sort of this comic relief that came through
Speaker 1: the whole thing, him going into the room, him finding
Speaker 1: Luke later, Like the whole thing was just a funny
Speaker 1: bit throughout the whole episode. I don't think Kirk has
Speaker 1: been better used in an episode than this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that's true. He even though it was
Speaker 1: still Kirkish, nutty and sort of over the top costo,
Speaker 1: like when it comes to the Luke's apartment and just
Speaker 1: like I don't realize it was a small up here,
Speaker 1: like and he just goes up here, just yeah, walks
Speaker 1: right in, doesn't it say something like I'm all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ninja kicker. I think I love her, Like
Speaker 1: it's just the whole mess. The oreos, how he set
Speaker 1: out the oreo, the chocolate covered oreos that said I
Speaker 1: love you or something like that if she started eating.
Speaker 1: You know what would be so good is like if
Speaker 1: this were now, if this show was on now, you
Speaker 1: would totally have like a online series of like Kirk
Speaker 1: and Lulu and their life, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It'd be like a weird like a little spinoff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not like on TV like that how they do
Speaker 1: those things weird Gilmore Girls after Dark. Yeah you would, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd like I need eight minutes of them and just
Speaker 1: and how weird they are. Anyway, So I think that
Speaker 1: pretty much does that play through that sort of whole
Speaker 1: whole thing, Yeah, minus the part with the kiss, but
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Yeah, all right, Okay, So then
Speaker 1: we've got the kitchen bit, the drama that she's got
Speaker 1: seven workers but she can only afford five, and that
Speaker 1: sort of keeps coming up and is also sort of
Speaker 1: comic relief, and she forgets her anniversary. Oh yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: that was a great moment, not only not only for
Speaker 1: Suki's reaction, but notice in that scene if you could
Speaker 1: bring it up, Jackie, if you that I want to
Speaker 1: see this scene because there's a there's a beautiful little
Speaker 1: act piece of acting on on Jonique's part, because he
Speaker 1: just takes a drink out of his cup as she's
Speaker 1: scampering out because she forgot and it was just it
Speaker 1: just put just the perfect button on that same thing.
Speaker 1: You notice so many of those things when you watch
Speaker 1: it the fourth fifth time. Yeah, man, I mean it's
Speaker 1: just so it makes it so much better and funnier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watch watch Okay, Yeah, there we go. I also, I
Speaker 1: mean we'll get to this because I belly laughed so
Speaker 1: hard at one point in this episode that I will
Speaker 1: tell you about. But how Laurelai is just a complete
Speaker 1: weirdo now, like, oh my god coming and she's just
Speaker 1: all weird and like what did you think watching her?
Speaker 1: Like how goofy and nervous and all giddy and just
Speaker 1: messy and just she is you're talking about laurel Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because we know she knows she likes you. Oh,
Speaker 1: that scene in the foyer starts, It starts with a diner.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit before the diner.
Speaker 1: Diner was great too. Yeah, when they say Luke's coming
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, he's coming, do you know how
Speaker 1: hard that is to do? Do you know how hard
Speaker 1: that is to pull that off? Like that? Like falling
Speaker 1: like that and make it look like it was natural.
Speaker 1: We're going a little out of order about the diners
Speaker 1: is one of the funniest things of every But wait
Speaker 1: a minute, have we gotten to the diner scene yet, No,
Speaker 1: we're going we're skipping over Lane's apartment, So let's talk
Speaker 1: about that really quickly. So we see Rory that we
Speaker 1: know that they're going to go to Luke's for lunch
Speaker 1: because she's got the sticky on her head. So then
Speaker 1: we go into the apartment and they're and they're playing
Speaker 1: the video games. The apartment looked beautifully clean, though I
Speaker 1: agree it was like where are the boys? Like why
Speaker 1: is there not? Like, yeah, so clean, take out on
Speaker 1: the counter or something I don't I don't know, so clean.
Speaker 1: And then we see that she's hiding her snacks floorboard board.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be Lane without a floorboard, yeah, And then she
Speaker 1: sort of tells Lane about the situation that Jess came
Speaker 1: and you know, she said she didn't know what she says,
Speaker 1: she didn't know what to say. I very clearly remember
Speaker 1: the no because I was upset about it. And then
Speaker 1: this is where you start to see Rory talking about
Speaker 1: Dean and Dean is ingenitable and yeah, and she's about
Speaker 1: him in like the present tense and off the past. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because with Jess, I mean they set it up so
Speaker 1: well because she talks about Jess first and she goes like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's great, but then one, you know, the
Speaker 1: next minute he's not and he's so unpredictable. And then
Speaker 1: she talks about Dean and she goes like how he
Speaker 1: was so safe and she says, nice to her. That's
Speaker 1: what she says, is Dean is dependable. Was was yah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that she she felt that she blew it and
Speaker 1: didn't appreciate it. You know. Like that's when I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, something's going to happen. Yeah, for Scott and Danielle,
Speaker 1: what were all thinking? Hearing her talk like that. I
Speaker 1: had a feeling that something was going to happen between
Speaker 1: Dean and Rory right then and there I was. I
Speaker 1: was like, had fingers crossed for Jess, an escape plan
Speaker 1: with Jess, and then this just like threw it down
Speaker 1: the toilet. I like, I don't care what show it
Speaker 1: is or film. I like seeing people who are wrestling
Speaker 1: with their true feelings. You know, it's compelling, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a nice thing to watch if they're not
Speaker 1: struggling too much and it's not you know, causing too
Speaker 1: much anxiety. But yeah, you know, it's like a person
Speaker 1: in the Good Good Notes because it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: do like watching it. I just think people are really
Speaker 1: you know, when they're being truthful like that, they're really
Speaker 1: beautiful to me, you know, And and they're vulnerable and
Speaker 1: their vulnerability I love that. I love to see her
Speaker 1: like that. I love to see any character like that,
Speaker 1: you know. So I mean especially like like look at
Speaker 1: a missus Kim when she softens. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just it's very nice to see. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's also the opposite of boring. We're completely hooked into
Speaker 1: all that everything happening, right, and we forgive them all
Speaker 1: their sins, right, Yeah, all our judgments go out the window,
Speaker 1: our prior judgment, and it's like, wow, they're just people
Speaker 1: like everybody else, and the vulnerable figure it out, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I only I only speak of peace. I
Speaker 1: only speak of peace. I think the next thing is
Speaker 1: probably one of the best things in all of Gilmurls,
Speaker 1: Like it is so effing hilarious. The script is hilarious.
Speaker 1: The physical stuff what do they call it? Physicality? Hilarious?
Speaker 1: So okay, so Roy's walking through town. They get to
Speaker 1: the diner, and I think lore Lyce is basically like,
Speaker 1: have you noticed anything different about Luke? Wait till he
Speaker 1: comes over, right? And then you come over and you're
Speaker 1: just like polite, And then they go outside and it's
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, Luke, that was a great conversation.
Speaker 1: That was a classic her Like she's just like like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, mom has lost it. Like it's just
Speaker 1: so hilarious. But isn't it great that the comedy comes from.
Speaker 1: It's so great because she's such a strong woman, and
Speaker 1: she's such a capable woman and an independent woman, and
Speaker 1: she's taking a stand against her oppressive family and she's
Speaker 1: doing it all on her own, and yet here she
Speaker 1: is kind of gutting Loopie for a guy Jackie. Can
Speaker 1: we please I know some people are torn on whether
Speaker 1: they like us watching it, but can we please watch
Speaker 1: the part I'll let him tear, Let him tear. It's
Speaker 1: just when she goes when you say, is everything okay? Balls?
Speaker 1: Like I I last, Oh my god, there's nothing funnier
Speaker 1: than these two going back and forth. Okay, so here's
Speaker 1: she's trying to be all cool, right, watch him more times.
Speaker 1: Ye look at her sitting down like just's like the
Speaker 1: face acting, guys, the face acting one more time, Jackie,
Speaker 1: like the couple behind them, at the couple behind the table.
Speaker 1: Look how cool she is walking in. Look at that
Speaker 1: bomb a little over acting on that background actor's part though,
Speaker 1: Do him one more time. Look at he's a little
Speaker 1: over the top of the background actor. Yeah, the girl's better.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I laughed, just laugh out loud. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot that that was in there. And then this
Speaker 1: part and then this is so tragic. She's so happy
Speaker 1: and she waves at him and he's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a d move by Dean there like not he
Speaker 1: didn't even wave back like politely. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: The love of his life was he? I thinks she's
Speaker 1: with Jess and he drove to the cab driver for good.
Speaker 1: He's f and married. Are you kidding me? That dude's married? Married?
Speaker 1: But on paper he is? But in reality, oh man,
Speaker 1: you're going up against Lorle on that one because she's like,
Speaker 1: does he have a ring? And then we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm getting so over my skis. But that's
Speaker 1: still a jerk move. Dean like he's married, he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be her friend, and then he's all but hurt
Speaker 1: because Jess showed up. It's like we're back in high
Speaker 1: school again. But hurt. It's not it's his feelings, his heart.
Speaker 1: His heart got trampled on again, and he should have
Speaker 1: waved instead. It has nothing to do with his butt.
Speaker 1: His heart hurt. Let's just clarify it here. Then he
Speaker 1: should have waited. He should have done this, I'll do
Speaker 1: some acting for you. Oh good. He should have said
Speaker 1: come out here, I need to talk to you. Or
Speaker 1: she's got in the dinner and been like, Rory, I
Speaker 1: need to talk to you and said what he was happy.
Speaker 1: She's like, hi, his heart was injured. His heart was
Speaker 1: not functioning, doesn't She's like, this is a married dude's
Speaker 1: supposed to be my friend. Hey, maybe here's a blind
Speaker 1: spot for Rory. She's not aware of the pain that
Speaker 1: she's causing Dean. But he's also been rejected by her
Speaker 1: so many times now, Yeah, yeah, it's over. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like she's not thinking about how he feels. She's
Speaker 1: supposed to be in love with hen of him and
Speaker 1: have feelings and thinking about it, but she doesn't feel
Speaker 1: She doesn't think about how he feels post just showing
Speaker 1: up at the last minute, and how bad he's married.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but she's not recognizing that fully, right.
Speaker 1: I think maybe seventy eighty ninety percent she's not recognizing it.
Speaker 1: And then when she decides to, you know, do the
Speaker 1: deed there, you know, and in her bedroom, then she's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But there are there are degrees, and
Speaker 1: I just, you know, that's maybe an inconsistency there with
Speaker 1: that character. It's like, why isn't she thinking of how
Speaker 1: he feels in that moment? Why is she just waving
Speaker 1: at him like, you know, nothing happened. That's fair. Fair,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you that fair. But I still think
Speaker 1: he's married, like the married guys all mad because the
Speaker 1: girl he's not married to has maybe a guy interested
Speaker 1: in her. Like it's a little okay, he's married, he's
Speaker 1: what eighteen nineteen, he has no children. It's not going well.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's thirty five and he's got four kids.
Speaker 1: And I think here's the thing, you know, what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little different. I think it's a little different.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. It's a moral issue, obviously,
Speaker 1: but it's he's he's not so in deep with lindsay
Speaker 1: that something else. Let's just say this is friends two friends,
Speaker 1: Dean Rory have no relationship together whatsoever. If I'm driving
Speaker 1: far away to pick up my friend and take him
Speaker 1: back home and they tell me go home right exactly
Speaker 1: buff not even a thank you, like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: It's very complicated. But also I'll repeat this Jess. We
Speaker 1: all love to criticize Jess. Jess broke up with makeup
Speaker 1: counter girl Shane before he went Ferry. Weren't married, Nope,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't even he wasn't even that into her anyway,
Speaker 1: because that girl was just all worshiping. But Jess still
Speaker 1: did the right thing and the right Compare these two
Speaker 1: situations at all, of course you can't. You can just
Speaker 1: did the right thing in a lesser situation, and Dean's
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. It's easier to do the right
Speaker 1: thing in a lesser situation. How what's he how's he
Speaker 1: supposed to? Man? You're playing devil's advocate you're playing the
Speaker 1: role of Laurel. Now I know what I know what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I look, I can be Lucy Goosey with
Speaker 1: people in their bad marriages, right, but in this case,
Speaker 1: it's like, Dean, you're the good guy. You're a good guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how bad must that marriage? I'm sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 1: but how bad must that marriage be? Because we're talking
Speaker 1: about two young people and they're still in their teens. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they got married way too young. They
Speaker 1: were idiots, but they did it right. But that's explains everything.
Speaker 1: But do the right thing, Dean, get get separated, move out,
Speaker 1: do the right thing, and then kiss Rory all you want,
Speaker 1: and then we've got nothing to watch. Then there's no tension. True,
Speaker 1: then it's not real because that's not real life. No,
Speaker 1: that's true too. People don't do the right thing. You're right,
Speaker 1: People don't do the right thing correct. And if they
Speaker 1: did and they went to the other person, the other
Speaker 1: person would probably say I changed my mind. It would
Speaker 1: take so long that the other person would meet somebody else.
Speaker 1: In eight out of ten situations this were real life,
Speaker 1: that they definitely would have kissed. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Right, But it doesn't make it like right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make Dean a good guy. Dean's not a
Speaker 1: good guy. Right now. I can't judge these kids. I
Speaker 1: can't judge them. Their hearts are full when they are together.
Speaker 1: Whatever dysfunction that they are both bringing to that union,
Speaker 1: it still feels full to them. It still feels meaningful
Speaker 1: and real and deep, and they're recapturing something right. She's
Speaker 1: she's She gets to maybe a doover to do that
Speaker 1: relationship right, and he gets in a second chance at
Speaker 1: it and a way to wipe out all the bad
Speaker 1: feelings he's getting from his marriage. I think they deserve
Speaker 1: a second chance. But he needs to do the right thing. Yep,
Speaker 1: going out, I think he is doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: But sleeping with Rory like living truthfully and not living alone.
Speaker 1: He's not. But you do realize that his marriage is
Speaker 1: a lie. Like if there's anyone that's not living truthfully,
Speaker 1: it's deep, Like he we found that out. I think
Speaker 1: he went she called the phone. Where was he he
Speaker 1: was back at home? I think you know, like he's lying,
Speaker 1: He's he said all that there is there is a
Speaker 1: level of deception, yes, but I think he has just
Speaker 1: he's obviously checked out of his marriage. He's we do
Speaker 1: some then get it annulled or get divorced. He's checked out,
Speaker 1: but he's physically still there, like he's mentally checked out,
Speaker 1: but like he's leading Rory on saying like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave Lindsay. She agrees, when at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: clearly Lindsay wasn't a part of that conversation and she's
Speaker 1: making all those sandwiches. And he also has never told
Speaker 1: Lindsay I'm not happy. She's the one that's telling him,
Speaker 1: saying exactly, she wears the pants in that family, and
Speaker 1: she he's afraid of her. Yeah, no, no, Like my
Speaker 1: point is he needs to like say something like I
Speaker 1: don't even think he's afraid of her. Oh I do.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's just stuck. He just
Speaker 1: did this thing, and now he's marrying different kind She's
Speaker 1: a different kind of gal, and she's taken over that
Speaker 1: relationship to the point where he's she's forcing him to
Speaker 1: drop out of college and do this because I want
Speaker 1: a condo. We we don't hear the fights that they
Speaker 1: have or the disagreements they have, but I can I
Speaker 1: can hear him. I know what they're dialogue. It ain't good.
Speaker 1: They sorry, we got to get get divorced. Yeah, life
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way, you know that. Come on, come on,
Speaker 1: look like I think this is playing out exactly how
Speaker 1: it would play out, and realize. Yes, that being said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make me have to think Dean's a great guy.
Speaker 1: I think he's just human. These are human beings and
Speaker 1: and and this is life, and I don't. I think
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant portrayal. And again, the writing is to
Speaker 1: write is spot on because this is how life works.
Speaker 1: But they managed to elevate it and make it funny
Speaker 1: and make it deep and compelling because it's real. We
Speaker 1: feel this way if it wasn't real, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it is real and it is
Speaker 1: going how it would go in reality. Unfortunate, still kind
Speaker 1: of he's a tool to stop it. You guys are
Speaker 1: being too judgy. Come on, Okay, it's just a kid.
Speaker 1: A kid made a mistake. He's a kid who made
Speaker 1: a mistake. I mean, where is I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a mistake because it wasn't a one time thing. Like
Speaker 1: they clearly kissed at the end and then they so
Speaker 1: they never kiss Oh sorry, they almost kissed. They almost kissed,
Speaker 1: but I think we're going to count that as a kiss.
Speaker 1: It but this is something that's not like that, just
Speaker 1: like they saw each other for the first time in
Speaker 1: months and they're like, oh my god, yeah, it's all going.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been brewing for a few weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the debate we're going to have in a minute too,
Speaker 1: would Rory Actually, we have slept with someone who is
Speaker 1: married on a like a on a five minutes in
Speaker 1: her childhood bedroom, Like, come on, that does not track.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that. So first we have Friday
Speaker 1: night dinner. So we're at the awkward dot com Friday
Speaker 1: Night dinner where they're like maybe eating rabbit, but it's
Speaker 1: not rabbit, it's rabbit sauce. And then Lorilized decides she's
Speaker 1: just really gonna stick it to them and invite them
Speaker 1: both to the opening of the Inn, which I thought,
Speaker 1: all right, and it was a funny moment, and then
Speaker 1: somebody said something about Haley Mills and I laughed so hard.
Speaker 1: Did you get that joke? I didn't? What was that?
Speaker 1: She was in the parent trap? And so well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll talk about it in pop culture, but like
Speaker 1: it was a parent trap joke because she's basically doing
Speaker 1: a parent trap. Oh look who died and made you,
Speaker 1: Haley Mills. Yeah, pretty good. So anyway, what do we think.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the Gilmore's. Let's just play that
Speaker 1: through and what's going on there. We don't know why
Speaker 1: they're separated, do we, Because my gut is we have
Speaker 1: no idea. No, because Lori La is so mad at
Speaker 1: Richard for the whole digger thing and that it really
Speaker 1: put the relationship, it could have put the relationship at
Speaker 1: risk between her and Lorelai and Rory, and and then
Speaker 1: Richard really didn't listen to Emily, and we know why.
Speaker 1: You think that's the reason that they're separated. I think
Speaker 1: that's a cherry on top because Pennell and Lot has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. Yeah, yeah, probably. So
Speaker 1: you think it was a couple of straws that that
Speaker 1: was that was the big one, Yeah yeah, and then
Speaker 1: this one was just a straw that broke the camel's back.
Speaker 1: Huh huh. I think so. So then you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: so so we've already talked about Kirk and Luke And
Speaker 1: now we're at the inn and it's time for the
Speaker 1: inn to open. The doors are missing, which I love.
Speaker 1: I love how it's like follow your door. That was
Speaker 1: such a funny bit. Oh so good room. It's a
Speaker 1: second to be like, what how adorable were the golf
Speaker 1: carts pulling up to a great shot? And there's there's
Speaker 1: Taylor and all his glory. Yeah, totally crushing it with
Speaker 1: his notes. Yeah, but guys, I do have a flag
Speaker 1: on the play. So Jackie, can you do me a solid?
Speaker 1: Will you pull up where the golf carts pull up?
Speaker 1: Did you guys see where this was when you were
Speaker 1: on the lot, Yes, Oh my god, this would be amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: so see here comes all these people, right, and this
Speaker 1: is supposed to be like the town people. Heck is
Speaker 1: this guy background inspecting? Totally? First of all, that's great acting.
Speaker 1: You're talking about who are those people? Two total randos
Speaker 1: got invited? Yeah, but then again that's my cousin total Rando.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I have a picture right in front of this.
Speaker 1: Amy so jealous. I'm so jealous. I'm still so mad.
Speaker 1: I couldn't go to that anyway. So there's some randos Taylor.
Speaker 1: I actually think Taylor's one of the best parts of
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Oh me too, So okay. So then
Speaker 1: now Rory goes in and she sees Dean and they
Speaker 1: sort of have their confrontation and the almost kiss. What
Speaker 1: did you think? I thought it was a great It
Speaker 1: was just such a scene that was so fraught with
Speaker 1: feelings and great acting and tension and yeah, man, it
Speaker 1: was great. It was great. Those two play off each
Speaker 1: other beautifully. The tension between those two is just palpable. Yes,
Speaker 1: but nobody's like, oh oh, because literally they like talk
Speaker 1: to each other. Are you Auntie love? What is going on? No?
Speaker 1: I'm very like, very to Amy and Danielle. These two
Speaker 1: are in love. Can we just celebrate it? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: look what happens at the end about his paperwork and legality.
Speaker 1: You had your chance and you broke up with him,
Speaker 1: like and also like, come on, is well, I'm very
Speaker 1: I think it would be totally kid. It's still a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But when you get married and you're committing to someone,
Speaker 1: I think it's very different. If Dean was single, this
Speaker 1: would be a totally different conversation. But he is, and
Speaker 1: he's he's not like fast is what it would be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the moral of it getting a stomach ache
Speaker 1: because here's the thing. Yeah, it's all sexy and cute.
Speaker 1: Oh they almost kiss. Look at the tension. This is
Speaker 1: so great. The last scene of this episod eisode is
Speaker 1: so important to think about. Rory is heart broken. Not
Speaker 1: only is she heartbroken because Dean is married and he
Speaker 1: is living there and she's answering his phone. You know what,
Speaker 1: let's just can we sorry, can we just put a
Speaker 1: pin in that thought? Because I think it's a huge thought.
Speaker 1: That's a huge beat. So why don't we I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to do a part two here, Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's just we're gonna log off here. We'll do
Speaker 1: a part two. Okay. I am fired up and I'm
Speaker 1: starting to feel a little sick, like it's just making me.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and take another bite, swallow water. Listen, we'll
Speaker 1: be back with part two. Thanks for tuning in, uh
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