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Speaker 1: I mean waking up Sunday morning in Denver and going

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Speaker 1: A lot of the things that Council is good at

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Speaker 3: That's how that's the ideal scenario. They're not there yet.

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Speaker 3: like if he opts out, free up some money, there's

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Speaker 3: you know, you have all those positions that he can

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Speaker 3: play filled in theory, right, yeah, I mean a good.

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Speaker 1: Player, he'll probably be like a three war player next year.

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Speaker 1: Thirty million dollars, like, yeah, probably opt out if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't this fall, but yeah, it's a lot of money

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Speaker 1: do think they're going to be very open minded this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we don't expect Juan Soto, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: the catching market, maybe build a little more certainty into

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Speaker 1: the bullpen, get a true.

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Speaker 2: Slugger to put into your lineup.

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Speaker 1: Like, there's a lot of different ways, you know, we've

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Speaker 1: seen them make surprising trades, Yeah, great us being example,

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Speaker 1: the Michael Bush trade. Like, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: ways they could go, and I that'll probably be exciting

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Speaker 1: to them at some point, but it does get harder

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Speaker 1: to kind of sell that after like another maybe eighty

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Speaker 1: three ish win season, you know.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, No, I think you're right there. There's they're

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Speaker 3: they're going to be very active and there's going to

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Speaker 3: be There's probably going to be a trade or two

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Speaker 3: that we can't fully like see right now, kind of

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Speaker 3: like not exactly like the Michael Bush straight, but just

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Speaker 3: something that it wasn't on our radar or isn't on

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Speaker 3: our radar, and it's like, oh, yeah, that makes a

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Speaker 3: lot of sense and that can help this team a ton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I fully expect stuff like that this winter. Patrick, it's

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Speaker 3: too bad that we have to start talking about the

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Speaker 3: winter already. That's what this season has devolved to.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They they kept going up and down and and teasing fans,

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Speaker 3: making them think that there was a run coming. But

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Speaker 3: this this weekend in Colorado all but steal their fate.

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Speaker 3: We will continue covering it and hammering on the off

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Speaker 3: season and the big picture and seeing if this team

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Speaker 3: can get back to the postseason in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone for listening to Northside Territory. Make sure to rate,

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Speaker 3: review and subscribe. Subscribe on the YouTube channel, and make

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Speaker 3: sure to subscribe to The Athletic where Patrick and I

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Speaker 3: will be covering this team. Thanks so much for listening

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Speaker 3: to everyone. To take care