Speaker 1: Okay, so now I know why you're all asking me
Speaker 1: to talk about Bad Vegan. Can I just tell you
Speaker 1: that it's so funny that some of these crazy people
Speaker 1: that have these documentaries written about them, these these shows
Speaker 1: on Netflix, I've met some of them. The Tender Swindler,
Speaker 1: I have met that diamond guy. I met him as
Speaker 1: he I met him years ago because I had him
Speaker 1: in my phone book and I remember like him saying
Speaker 1: he was in the diamond business, which any girl not
Speaker 1: from like a hitting on me perspective, just sort of
Speaker 1: like a networking perspective. I remember it, and I feel
Speaker 1: like he had a guy with him and he said
Speaker 1: that was his brother or something, but that name, and
Speaker 1: it sounded very diamond dish. I think it was like,
Speaker 1: what was that, like Nassarian or Sam. I may be
Speaker 1: mixing stories. It was what was the I don't know
Speaker 1: the guy's name, but anyway, I remember the guy's name.
Speaker 1: I saw that I was watching the Netflix thing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've met that guy, and I remember he told me
Speaker 1: he was in the diamond business, which are always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to know someone in the diamond business.
Speaker 1: Total scam um. So bad Vegan, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were listening last time, but I was raw
Speaker 1: and vegan for a year. I went to school for
Speaker 1: food and healing. This was twenty years ago, and that
Speaker 1: whole space of raw and vegan was very cutting edge
Speaker 1: then everything that Sarma. If you haven't seen the Netflix
Speaker 1: show on her, this is based on this woman who
Speaker 1: got into some crazy vortex hole where she was on
Speaker 1: the lamb for over a year with this criminal. But anyway,
Speaker 1: what she said about it being cutting edge when they
Speaker 1: opened Pure Food and Wine was true. So for those
Speaker 1: of you who didn't see it or don't know the story,
Speaker 1: there's a woman named Sarma. She was married to a
Speaker 1: guy named Matthew Kenny, who was a chef, a famous
Speaker 1: chef in New York, a well known chef in New York.
Speaker 1: They were like this good looking couple. They opened up
Speaker 1: a raw restaurant called Pure Food and Wine. Everyone knew
Speaker 1: about it because it was the first ever of its
Speaker 1: kind restaurant that was upscale to make this food that's
Speaker 1: not only vegan and vegetarian, which was cutting edge to
Speaker 1: begin with. This is back when milk was being served
Speaker 1: at Starbucks and and getting soy milk was innovative, like
Speaker 1: there's no almond, macadamia, cashew milk, oat milk, none of that.
Speaker 1: So they opened this restaurant. It's not only vegan and vegetarian,
Speaker 1: it's raw vegan vegetarian. So she's right in the show
Speaker 1: saying that it's cutting edge. I knew her husband because
Speaker 1: I did business with him briefly when I had my
Speaker 1: company Bethany Bakes, My Wheat, egg and Dairy Free Baked
Speaker 1: Goods company, and I was also a natural food chef
Speaker 1: and trying to hustle, and I was selling him cookies
Speaker 1: to his one cafe, and I remember helping him or
Speaker 1: cooking for this event or something. In Dumb Boat, it's
Speaker 1: like very foggy in the background, but he's not really
Speaker 1: in the show, which is interesting at all. I'm not
Speaker 1: even referring to him. But in addition, I know the
Speaker 1: guy Jeffrey Chattero, who's the restaurantur who's very prominent in
Speaker 1: the show Bad Vegan, because he was partners with Sarma
Speaker 1: and Matthew Kenny, and I known him for years. He
Speaker 1: started the restaurant China Grill, which was like the hottest
Speaker 1: Asian fusion restaurant in New York and he did Asia
Speaker 1: to Cuba, and I believe, if I'm not incorrect, he
Speaker 1: was the maybe the restaurateur behind Rocco di Spirito and
Speaker 1: that TV show The Restaurant. I'm not sure about that,
Speaker 1: but I remember that for a reason. So when I'm
Speaker 1: watching these shows and I'm like, wait a second. And
Speaker 1: I met Sarma at one Lucky Duck because I was
Speaker 1: eating raw and vegans, so there was no one else
Speaker 1: that had this kind of food. And I remember going
Speaker 1: into the place in Chelsea Pierce to get those raw
Speaker 1: spiced cashews. They were amazing. I had no idea of
Speaker 1: anything that's going on behind the scenes. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that Pure Food and Wine was like a celebrity
Speaker 1: hot spot because it was just I remember going there
Speaker 1: and having that zucchini lasagna, and it was just a
Speaker 1: place that was when you want to eat that kind
Speaker 1: of food. In order to cook, in order to prepare
Speaker 1: raw food, it would take four hours to dehydrate like
Speaker 1: a pizza or something. It's a very labor intensive, thoughtful
Speaker 1: cuisine that involves a lot of ingredients, and it's very
Speaker 1: expensive and it has to be organic, and it's soaking
Speaker 1: nuts and it's pureeing everything, and it's really labor intensive.
Speaker 1: So the restaurant was cutting edge because if you wanted
Speaker 1: that food, you would pay for it because it was
Speaker 1: impossible for you to do on your own. The way
Speaker 1: to eat raw on your own would be raw nuts, avocado,
Speaker 1: raw gaspaco, but not cooked tomatoes ever, and salads and
Speaker 1: it would be redundant and repetitive and anyway. So that's
Speaker 1: about the raw food movement. But this woman's parma um.
Speaker 1: This show is about her who went to Wharton, very
Speaker 1: smart girl, worked at bear Sterns, becomes the wife of
Speaker 1: a chef, opens up very extreme raw vegan restaurant and
Speaker 1: gradually gives this guy, this guy who she was in
Speaker 1: a relationship with an and ultimately marries after her relationship
Speaker 1: with her husband. And this guy is like an overweight,
Speaker 1: slovenly kind of degenerate, and she was married to Matthew Kenny,
Speaker 1: who was like the vision of health and good looking,
Speaker 1: and now she's with this other guy and she's obsessed
Speaker 1: with her dog. So I understand that I was walking
Speaker 1: into it thinking that I was going to think that
Speaker 1: she was totally shady and not trust anything she was saying,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably halfway through it or maybe more. And
Speaker 1: she's now on the lamb in the show, and I've
Speaker 1: believed mostly everything that's come out of her mouth, which
Speaker 1: is shocking because you know, I'm savvy and I'm smart,
Speaker 1: and she went to Wharton and I always say, you
Speaker 1: can't play stupid and smart at the same time. So
Speaker 1: how is this woman giving this guy gradual money, which
Speaker 1: a lot of these swindlers do to get to the
Speaker 1: point of one point seven million dollars and he's promising
Speaker 1: her there's sort of like self actualized anointment into this
Speaker 1: other world. And the thing that I realized in the
Speaker 1: show is they do get into this mystical stuff. So
Speaker 1: people are into raw and vegan and hot yoga. They're
Speaker 1: going to see psychics. They're doing energy work. They're doing
Speaker 1: right raiki, they're doing cranios sacral. They're pulling with with
Speaker 1: coconut oil in their mouth to get the toxins out.
Speaker 1: They're doing juice, fest are doing detox. They're going on hikes.
Speaker 1: They're going to a place called Agape in California to
Speaker 1: go find God. They're in another way going to the
Speaker 1: place uh Kapalu upstate New York to go do you know,
Speaker 1: not talk for a week and do cleanses. And they're
Speaker 1: they're going to Hippocrates in Florida and doing extreme things.
Speaker 1: They're going to add Wigmore Institute, which is in Puerto Rico,
Speaker 1: and you're basically drinking wheat grass and this stuff called
Speaker 1: the juvlac and it's extreme and it's culty. It's a culty.
Speaker 1: So what I think, and I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: a percent right, obviously, but what I and if I
Speaker 1: don't even know if I if I'm right in what
Speaker 1: I think. I think I think having been in a
Speaker 1: relationship with someone who had some serious issues but made
Speaker 1: you feel like they were totally possessed by you. And
Speaker 1: also depending upon when you meet someone. If you meet
Speaker 1: someone and you're vulnerable and you're coming out of something bad,
Speaker 1: or you're a homebody, or you're lonely, or you're going
Speaker 1: through something, it's exhausting to think about meeting someone new.
Speaker 1: So sometimes the one who's giving you attention, even if
Speaker 1: it's the wrong person, you think you might never meet
Speaker 1: somebody again. This is it. This is the last person
Speaker 1: you know, you've been an abusive relationship or something, it's
Speaker 1: mentally abusive or emotionally abusive, and you think that, like,
Speaker 1: no one will ever love you like this, even if
Speaker 1: it's a crazy person, and you're getting older, and you
Speaker 1: might think this is all you can get. I think
Speaker 1: that was one element. I think she was in a
Speaker 1: relation of an addict. And addicts are natural born liars.
Speaker 1: They lie for a living. So imagine I have a
Speaker 1: friend who knows someone who just got a bad diagnosis,
Speaker 1: and they called us to ask for a favor, to
Speaker 1: pull in a favor, to call some very powerful person
Speaker 1: to help them get ahead of a line for medical attention. Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't question whether she was telling the truth, but
Speaker 1: she could have been making that up. You could make
Speaker 1: that up because it's not the first day that you're
Speaker 1: gonna ask for the money. She could have made that up.
Speaker 1: But then the next time say something else. And the
Speaker 1: next time, oh, no, I just got to get medicine
Speaker 1: and I can't afford it. And then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll give it. Like I don't think these con people,
Speaker 1: they don't operate in one day. They play the slow game,
Speaker 1: and then they work you. This guy was working her
Speaker 1: mother too, you know, making her seem crazy. I will.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one will ever love her. I love
Speaker 1: I love you. I'm just trying to take care of her,
Speaker 1: but I need money for this and I'm worried. She
Speaker 1: also had this girl, Sarma, who yes, went to Warden,
Speaker 1: and it's hard for me to believe believing she was
Speaker 1: going to get the like mystical status in the universe.
Speaker 1: I believe so people can fall into cults. We've seen it.
Speaker 1: We've seen smart people, the Hurst Girl, we saw the
Speaker 1: person from the Sea, Grum's family in that movie The
Speaker 1: Vow gets sucked into a cult. It happened to Um,
Speaker 1: Katherine Oxenberg's daughter, Like you know, people can get sucked
Speaker 1: into a call. I think this girl's Sarma was in
Speaker 1: a one person call. I think this guy brainwashed her
Speaker 1: and sucked her into a one person called. She kept
Speaker 1: going in deeper and deeper and darker and dark and
Speaker 1: being more miserable and lost, but didn't know it because
Speaker 1: she only knew what she knew. Do you ever feel
Speaker 1: exhausted so tired you can't see straight, and you're in
Speaker 1: the worst mood and you want to cry in the
Speaker 1: world's coming to an end or pms and you just
Speaker 1: want to scream and freak out over everything and it
Speaker 1: seems real. Then you get your peer and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this happens every month, like you're a crazy person. So
Speaker 1: I think that she kept getting sucked in deeper and deeper.
Speaker 1: That being said, she was lying to other people, asking
Speaker 1: other people for money, and she left people that are
Speaker 1: employees without getting paid, which is disgusting. I just don't
Speaker 1: see another way. I don't think that she herself was
Speaker 1: taking any of this money. I think she kept pouring
Speaker 1: it down his illegal gambling throat. And I think that
Speaker 1: that writer that was in the show, he would have
Speaker 1: reporters are the most cynical people ever. They'll always say
Speaker 1: the most negative thing. They'll always go to the you know, worst,
Speaker 1: most cynical place. That's their job. He doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: think that either. He seems to think that like something
Speaker 1: went on. I think she was in a one person
Speaker 1: called I really do. And how do you pull someone
Speaker 1: out of a cult when no one's even with you.
Speaker 1: She's alone on the road with the master of the cult.
Speaker 1: He only has one person to to indoctrinate. He's giving
Speaker 1: her the kool Aid deal, you know, the Jim Jones
Speaker 1: cool aid to one person. When you're in a big
Speaker 1: colug you're telling it to all these people. You've got
Speaker 1: to manage. This is one person. That's why I really
Speaker 1: think so far, I can't wait to watch the rest.
Speaker 1: I think it's terrible we said. But I'm the person
Speaker 1: who would say, oh my god, she knew and she
Speaker 1: was a swindler. I don't think so. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: even though I know it's a bunch of crazies in
Speaker 1: this raw vegan world. I know it intellectually, even though
Speaker 1: I know her ex husband got you know, didn't really
Speaker 1: necessarily pay people. Always starts businesses, then starts new ones
Speaker 1: with somebody else. He's got businesses all over the world.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he was a swindler either at all.
Speaker 1: I think he just was not a great business person.
Speaker 1: He's a creative, that homeless guy on the show that like,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought she was such a kind person.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I knew a girl that used to
Speaker 1: give her dog callnics and get acupuncture for her dog.
Speaker 1: In that alternative world, people can be freakish. I just
Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm just not black and white on
Speaker 1: this thing. I'm just not I just I can't. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by it and it's an interesting show. So that's
Speaker 1: where I stand nowhere where any of you would think,
Speaker 1: because you know I could be judgmental. I just I'm up.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I'm just it's crazy staying in Vegas
Speaker 1: for a year. She couldn't pull herself out. Why didn'
Speaker 1: her family pull her? Because it's a hell. It's the
Speaker 1: only explanation if you're not gonna call your calling your
Speaker 1: parents and saying I love you and everything's fine, and
Speaker 1: sort of like she was sucked into the vortex. What
Speaker 1: do you I don't know. I want to hear what
Speaker 1: you guys think. A lot of you have said to me,
Speaker 1: please talk about this, so let's keep going if I
Speaker 1: have to. It's like a book club. If I have
Speaker 1: to redo my answer after watching the next few episodes,
Speaker 1: I will, But I'm just like mesmerized. Anyway, I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you about that without getting it's too
Speaker 1: much detail about myself, but it's important for all of you.
Speaker 1: So I remember when do Me Moore was going through
Speaker 1: a divorce with Ashton, and I think, um, she just
Speaker 1: she just stayed quiet and stuff was coming out about
Speaker 1: her for a while, and I knew someone who was
Speaker 1: working with her, and it was frustrating for her to
Speaker 1: just stay quiet because you're just watching yourself get trashed
Speaker 1: and you haven't had your day and your voice yet.
Speaker 1: I have experienced that. I experienced that for year after year.
Speaker 1: I was the person who's obviously the villain, the successful,
Speaker 1: more you know, aggressive talker, and and there you know,
Speaker 1: the rich mogul and uh, the housewife. And there was
Speaker 1: so much going on behind the scenes that I had
Speaker 1: a gag order and I couldn't talk about because of
Speaker 1: my child. And I was very conflicted because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to talk about a lot of this stuff. First
Speaker 1: of all, I was free. I was going to lose
Speaker 1: custody or get sued or just you want to follow
Speaker 1: the rules. It's the same reason that all the me
Speaker 1: two people followed the rules. The assigned a document. This
Speaker 1: is the way the world went, and you just followed
Speaker 1: the rules. Phil When I first did a custody agreement,
Speaker 1: you had you just you got so tired. Any of
Speaker 1: you going through the divorce, if you're going through a
Speaker 1: custody agreement, you get so tired and you just will
Speaker 1: say and yes, yes, yes, whatever you want, just sign it.
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore, right, So some of the
Speaker 1: things you'll sign would be like we'll not talk about this,
Speaker 1: will not put your daughter on Twitter like I didn't.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a specific thing. But I'm just saying, like fine, whatever. School,
Speaker 1: Like you just you can't fight all the battles, You
Speaker 1: can't kill all the roaches in Manhattan, and you just
Speaker 1: want to you believe what people tell you that eventually
Speaker 1: it won't matter because the kids get older and this
Speaker 1: is just a document, but you're not going to bide
Speaker 1: by most of it. I ended up being in a
Speaker 1: situation where the person used it as a weapon and
Speaker 1: used it against me, like every to the letter of everything,
Speaker 1: and you just felt a little trapped. And once things
Speaker 1: were happening that we're not acceptable and that were abusive
Speaker 1: and that we're not okay, I just ate it. I
Speaker 1: pushed it down and I was being silently tortured. And
Speaker 1: the truth is I was watching the headlines and hiding
Speaker 1: my head because knowing like people are thinking this, and
Speaker 1: people are thinking that, and who knows who's play racing it,
Speaker 1: and you know, and you're just hiding and it affects
Speaker 1: your career. It affected my career. I didn't I couldn't
Speaker 1: care that much because I was just trying to protect
Speaker 1: my child and not lose my mind. It was really
Speaker 1: really hard. But you there's no question about the fact
Speaker 1: that Johnny Depp being associated with abuse and these kind
Speaker 1: of allegations without having his day in court, that it's
Speaker 1: done severe damage to his career. There's no question about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: there is absolutely smoke and fire with both parties. That's
Speaker 1: an abusive, tumultuous relationship, I'm sure because you wouldn't tolerate
Speaker 1: some of that for more than a minute, so even
Speaker 1: just to be there. But I've been in situations where
Speaker 1: there's some shady stuff going on and you just convince
Speaker 1: yourself something else is going on, and you know you
Speaker 1: can't blame, you can't victim blame or anything like. The
Speaker 1: people can be in bad situations, men and women alike,
Speaker 1: by the way, but I have experienced stifling and then
Speaker 1: getting into court and then headlines being what's literally being
Speaker 1: said from their mouths, and it's really hard. My divorce
Speaker 1: was going on for so many years that I never
Speaker 1: got to say anything, and I still haven't said really
Speaker 1: much believe it or not considering what happened, because you
Speaker 1: battle between your kids and what they're going to hear
Speaker 1: and what women need to hear because it's important, just
Speaker 1: like with me too. So that's the struggle, Like do
Speaker 1: I come out and talk so I can help so
Speaker 1: many women in the world, But then my daughter hears
Speaker 1: things that would really be hurtful, be be you know,
Speaker 1: disillusioning for her. So I've chosen really to be very
Speaker 1: vague and to not say what's happened. It's a choice,
Speaker 1: and it's been a it's been a struggle. So this
Speaker 1: reminds me of that, only because this has been going
Speaker 1: on for so many years, these allegations, and now they're
Speaker 1: finally in court and things are coming out and people
Speaker 1: get to make their own decisions, and it may not
Speaker 1: it may be grayer than ever. It's not black and
Speaker 1: white because people I'm talking to go back and forth
Speaker 1: and aren't sure what they think, whose side there on,
Speaker 1: who they believe. It seems very very gray. But what
Speaker 1: is not gray is that there have been wages and
Speaker 1: careers potentially destroyed and possibly forever. Because it's hard to
Speaker 1: go back from what people think of you. I remember
Speaker 1: when I have my talk show, I interviewed Justin Bieber
Speaker 1: and some girls said he got her pregnant years ago,
Speaker 1: and everybody just thought it was true and it wasn't true.
Speaker 1: But then the ride that people go on and thinking
Speaker 1: it's true is relentless. It's voracious. The appetite for this,
Speaker 1: it's relentless. But the ride to like, oh that was
Speaker 1: that's not true is nothing. It's just like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: not true. Okay, But many people didn't hear that little part,
Speaker 1: that little blip. Many people are still remember the first part.
Speaker 1: So so many people remember my nasty divorce. I don't
Speaker 1: know that everyone remembers that little blip of what happened.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I got some vindication. But the
Speaker 1: ride to reputational destruction, you know, it is rough and
Speaker 1: then oh just sorry, We're sorry. It's attraction. Someone one
Speaker 1: said something horrible about me about the Forbes magazine article
Speaker 1: I was in and what sold my company for It
Speaker 1: looked like we I didn't even say I never had
Speaker 1: never said a number. It looked like Forbes was lying.
Speaker 1: It looked like a big scandal. But the apology was
Speaker 1: like two seconds long, and it was like I spent
Speaker 1: days of my life having a defense something that never
Speaker 1: even happened. So there is gray because there's substance abuse
Speaker 1: and just overall tumultuous relationship and dysfunction. And you remember
Speaker 1: back Johnny Depp trashed a hotel room when he was
Speaker 1: in a relationship with Winona writer. He trashed a hotel room.
Speaker 1: Is that relevant now? I don't know. I've never trashed
Speaker 1: a hotel room. And Amber heard who I sat next
Speaker 1: to in France one once at a restaurant. Uh. We
Speaker 1: don't know what motivates people. There are three sides to
Speaker 1: every story. And she stayed in that relationship with that person. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've been recorded, by the way a lot. I've been followed,
Speaker 1: I've been hacked, I've been recorded, and I've had someone
Speaker 1: say things to me in a very provocative way where
Speaker 1: you don't recognize how the person is speaking to you,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what's going on? And you and you think,
Speaker 1: oh God, I don't want them to know that. I
Speaker 1: know they're recording, but oh, they're recording. But that's why
Speaker 1: they're speaking in this way. That's a big thing too.
Speaker 1: You're recording someone, so you're showing your side of it.
Speaker 1: You've prepared to put the recorder on and say this
Speaker 1: is what happens. That's just something to consider. I like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know neither and not none of
Speaker 1: you know, but you know more because you've watched the trial.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, there are a lot of these things
Speaker 1: to think about. A person who's recording another person is
Speaker 1: producing their own short films, so we don't know what
Speaker 1: happened five minutes before or five minutes after. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing that's tricky is there's often one trusting person
Speaker 1: that never of things they could get to this point,
Speaker 1: so they can't possibly imagine how bad it is. So
Speaker 1: you can't imagine that someone would record you and try
Speaker 1: to use it against you. That being said, it's the
Speaker 1: first thing the lawyer says, and I hate to tell
Speaker 1: you that if you have something going on where there's abuse,
Speaker 1: or something's happening, or something's happening in front of your child,
Speaker 1: if someone is saying abusive things in front of your child,
Speaker 1: it's damaging and it's abuse to your child. A children
Speaker 1: listening to emotional abuse is abuse to children. I just
Speaker 1: want you to really understand that. And battles between adults
Speaker 1: custody battles in particular, and things like this that we're
Speaker 1: talking about, where there's like dysfunction and a home there's
Speaker 1: a situation where you're being abused mentally, emotionally, or your
Speaker 1: child's being used as a pawn, or they're being abused
Speaker 1: by way of you know, there have been things that
Speaker 1: I've heard. I know, I know you don't want to
Speaker 1: go with your mom. I know you don't want to
Speaker 1: go with your mom. I know you want to stay
Speaker 1: with that. I just recognize this stuff. It may sound crazy,
Speaker 1: like big deal, why am I going to record I
Speaker 1: know you don't want to go do my thata doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like give us repetition and things that happen over
Speaker 1: and over and patterns and things that you can track
Speaker 1: and things that you can write down and write emails
Speaker 1: about and have proof of correspondence about it and dates
Speaker 1: that things happen. That's very very helpful. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: need to record something, you'll need to record something, make
Speaker 1: sure it's a state. You're doing it in a state
Speaker 1: where it's legal to record another person. By the way,
Speaker 1: because there are certain states where it's legal. In New York,
Speaker 1: you can record another person and it's legal. You and
Speaker 1: I could be having a conversation right now. You can
Speaker 1: be recording the whole conversation. You can do that with
Speaker 1: your boss, et cetera. In other states, it's illegal. In California,
Speaker 1: you cannot record another person. In New York it's a
Speaker 1: third party. You can't record to other people talking without
Speaker 1: them knowing that you recording their conversation. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: in these matters you need proof and pattern proof and patterns, dates, times, records,
Speaker 1: patterns and threads. People often find pockets, find abuse pockets.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this. This will drive them crazy with me.
Speaker 1: It was the same email over and over and over
Speaker 1: at the same thing. It could be about are you
Speaker 1: with other men? Are you with other men? I guess
Speaker 1: you're going out tonight. I guess you're going out hundreds
Speaker 1: of emails about individual topics, and then when they don't
Speaker 1: work or they don't get a rise, someone goes to
Speaker 1: another one. It could be mocking you, religious, it could
Speaker 1: be racist, it could be sexually. It could be saying
Speaker 1: you're fat. It could be saying you're useless and ugly
Speaker 1: and old or relevant. Whatever it is. I know it's
Speaker 1: happening to some of you. I know it has happened,
Speaker 1: and you have to be organized in the beginning because
Speaker 1: later you'll get anxiety and be like, oh ship, I
Speaker 1: didn't get at that time, so it sucks. And also
Speaker 1: know that someone could be recording you too. It's just
Speaker 1: sad to know that, but it's the truth. And when
Speaker 1: people start getting advice from other people and from lawyers,
Speaker 1: lawyers are there to make money for the most part,
Speaker 1: and lawyers will say things that are callous and cold
Speaker 1: that you can't image and like they might be recording
Speaker 1: you or you might want to record this, and you're like, what,
Speaker 1: they would never do this. I love this for you,
Speaker 1: Like they don't care, they don't care, They just they're
Speaker 1: same recorded. Because it all matters. It all matters. There's
Speaker 1: little things you don't think of. It all matters.