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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, it is good to be with you

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Speaker 1: once again. Obviously, we are very happy to be with

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Speaker 1: you as always here on the Hammer Territory Podcast, part

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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory family of podcasts, And as always

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Speaker 1: it is a pleasure to be with my podcast partner

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Speaker 1: Steven Tolbert. Stephen, how are you doing tonight? A busy

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Speaker 1: day for the Braze, A busy day across baseball. Excited

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Speaker 1: to get to talk with it, talk with you about

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Speaker 1: it once again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, Sean? Yeah, we knew today was going

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Speaker 2: to be a busy day. I mean it's on the calendar.

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Speaker 2: It's a deadline day. Deadline spur action is always the same.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny that it was an eight

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Speaker 2: pm Eastern deadline. I can never we got to standardize

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Speaker 2: some of these deadline times. I swear to god, it's

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Speaker 2: a different time every day and every year, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's three pm and four pm and five pm and

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Speaker 2: eight pm and nine. We got to standardize these deadlines.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we knew it was gonna be a busy day,

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Speaker 2: and it was busy all over baseball. It was a

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Speaker 2: busy day for the Braves, typical Braves fashion. They waited

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Speaker 2: till an hour after the deadline to announce anything, probably

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Speaker 2: the last team in the league to announce all of

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Speaker 2: their stuff. Just tremendous work by Alex on that that's

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Speaker 2: just so on brand and not a ton of surprises.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into the specifics, but I don't think there

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Speaker 2: was anything stunning that happened, you know, once it took

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Speaker 2: so long to get out, people are, you know, wondering

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Speaker 2: if they've got trades or something brewing. But at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, it was pretty standard stuff. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about all the specifics here in a second, but

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Speaker 2: on the whole, I didn't think anything was terribly shocking.

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Speaker 2: And now we kind of get to start the actual

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Speaker 2: offseason where the money has been cleared, and now we

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Speaker 2: up this team for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that's what it came down to, right.

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Speaker 1: It came down to what we've kind of seen in

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Speaker 1: the theme of the offseason b so far for the Braves,

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Speaker 1: which has included a couple of moves and once again

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Speaker 1: was confirmed in multiple ways today, which we'll get into

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Speaker 1: in a bit. But it's about clearing as much money

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Speaker 1: as possible, and that's exactly what the Braves did with

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Speaker 1: their deadline decisions today. What occurred today was the non

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Speaker 1: tender deadline. Now I'm gonna let Stephen break that down

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Speaker 1: a bit here in just a second, but the details

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Speaker 1: for the Braves read as this. Seven players were decided

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Speaker 1: upon today when it came to their twenty twenty five contracts.

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Speaker 1: As of right now, the two who were decided upon

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Speaker 1: that we're going to remain with the Braves, in other words,

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Speaker 1: they were tendered contracts was Dylan Lee as well as

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Speaker 1: Keilnick a little bit north of two million, but pretty sensible,

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Speaker 1: you know, decisions by the Braves to tender both of

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Speaker 1: those players' contracts. It was the players who were not

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Speaker 1: tender contracts where I think much of our discussion is

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Speaker 1: The Braves decided to non tender Ramon Loreano, Griffin Canning,

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Speaker 1: Roy Bergsalonis, Ray Kerr, as well as Wastcar, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the two biggest names of all

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Speaker 1: Stephen of that group is Griffin Canning as well as

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Speaker 1: Ramon Loriano. And it's not just because of those two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's break this down by each guy. So

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Speaker 2: Griffin Caning obviously came over in the Jorge Hilaire trade

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Speaker 2: But then Scott and Brad brought up the point that,

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Speaker 2: I will say this about that Major League Baseball doesn't

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Speaker 2: of times they will include players that they have no

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Speaker 2: trade doesn't look like the Braves just salary dumb Hoy Hilaire,

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Speaker 2: but the brave salary dumb Toary Celari. That was the

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Speaker 2: whole point. Now there were reasons for that, the roster,

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Speaker 2: They wanted to clear his money, They wanted to clear

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Speaker 2: And today was the final confirmation of that when they

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Speaker 2: It just is, and you know that was ultimately his fate.

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Speaker 2: Like that's ultimately going to be mainly a bench piece

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Speaker 2: Obviously Max Freed's money came off, Charlie Morton's money came off.

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Speaker 2: But they have a bunch of money coming off. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And one o the name that I did

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Speaker 1: clearly likely looking to make a significant move for the

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Speaker 1: you know, they signed a Carlos Rodriguez today to a

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Speaker 1: when it comes to their outfield, which to me paints

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's what they've cleared is obvious room

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Speaker 2: the team and trying to move it to another part.

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Speaker 2: And the first step of that is to clear the

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Speaker 2: money from the old part of the team. And now

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Speaker 2: we move to the part where they're moving the money

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Speaker 2: to the new part of the team. And that's where

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Speaker 2: we're at now. So I know fans are listening to

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Speaker 2: this going they're just being cheap, they're just trying to

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Speaker 2: save the money. You're you're you're working with a twenty

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Speaker 2: like thirteen understanding of Braves ownership and Braves spending the

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Speaker 2: new this new era. Like the Braves are one of

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Speaker 2: the highest payroll teams in baseball. They they live they

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Speaker 2: don't live in like the Dodgers, Mets, but they're that

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Speaker 2: next team, next tier down of you know, they were,

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Speaker 2: They've been a luxury tax team the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Like they spend, they spend money, and I have no

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Speaker 2: doubt they're going to spend money again this offseason. And

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Speaker 2: now that they've freed it up to do so, Alice

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Speaker 2: can go make the moves he once and that's what

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to wait and see now.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, we talked so much about the

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Speaker 1: moves that the Braves will potentially make, but Another thing

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Speaker 1: that stood out to me this week in general Stephen

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Speaker 1: chris Sil winning his first I Young Award on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: It was revealed on Thursday that Marcello Zuna actually finished

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Speaker 1: fourth in the NL MVP Bony chris Sel finished seventh.

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Speaker 1: I think that was very good finishes for both of them,

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Speaker 1: very well deserved. We talk so much about the moves

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Speaker 1: that are going to be made, but what this week

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Speaker 1: also reminded me of is this is that over the

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Speaker 1: past three years, the Braves have had Marcello Zuna, Chris Sell,

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Speaker 1: Ronald Acunya Junior win it, but also Matt Olsen as

457
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Speaker 1: well as Austin Ryan finish in the top ten of

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Speaker 1: MVP voting. And the thing that I'm getting at is

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Speaker 1: is that we are returning all those guys and we're

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Speaker 1: going to have them for multiple years of control. I

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Speaker 1: know that I'm just stating the obvious here. Everybody knows

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Speaker 1: this when you think about it, but I think that

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Speaker 1: when you take a step back and just realize, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good starting point. It was just a

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Speaker 1: reminder that even in the year where things did not

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Speaker 1: go the way that we had hoped that it would,

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Speaker 1: there still a lot of talent on this team, and

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Speaker 1: if we can get them all competing and going at

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Speaker 1: the level that we, you know, can expect for them

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Speaker 1: to play at, we're still pretty good. But first off,

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Speaker 1: congratulations to Chris Sale But I think overall, the recognition

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Speaker 1: that he got, as well as Marcelo Azuna got it

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Speaker 1: was certainly deserved. A reminder of just how special both

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Speaker 1: of them were this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we knew it was. You know, everybody

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Speaker 2: knew Chrisselle is going to win the sign. We talked

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Speaker 2: about it when he won the Comeback Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: He was the best pitcher in baseball, frankly, and Marcelo Zuna,

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Speaker 2: of course, carried this team all year, you know. For

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Speaker 2: a fourth place finishing MVP, certainly deserving. But you're right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this team is just it's so unbelievably loaded.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they've had four five guys finishing

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Speaker 2: MVP voting. You know, it wouldn't stun anybody of Spencer

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Speaker 2: Stryder one day finish an MVP voting. It wouldn't done.

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Speaker 2: Anybody of Michael Harris finished an MVP voting. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: done anybody of Sean Murphy or Ozzy Albi's went crazy

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Speaker 2: one year, like they have so much freaking talent. It's

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Speaker 2: crazy how much talent this team has. Last year it

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Speaker 2: went and on the position player side, it just went.

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Speaker 2: It all went to hell very quickly, and the pitching

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Speaker 2: staff kind of had to hold the team together for

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Speaker 2: the season. And they still made the playoffs. And you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of teams out there that would love

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Speaker 2: just one playoff run, and the Braves have made the

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Speaker 2: playoffs for seven years in a row or something like that,

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Speaker 2: so a ton of talent. You know, it's gonna come back.

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Speaker 2: You know, we'll see what happens with a Kunyan Strider

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Speaker 2: in terms of what they give the Braves next year.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Riley'll be back, Murphy should be back.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously Olson in Azuna, Michael Harris looks like

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Speaker 2: he's ready for kind of his burst onto the scene

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Speaker 2: as one of the best players in baseball. Tons of talent,

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Speaker 2: tons of talent. And on top of that, the Braves

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Speaker 2: are gonna add. The Braves are gonna add this offseason.

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Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent certain they're gonna add. We don't

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Speaker 2: know the names yet, but they're gonna add They're gonna

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Speaker 2: be aggressive in a couple spots, and you know, when

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Speaker 2: the season starts, this will be one of the favorites

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Speaker 2: to win the World Series again like they have been

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Speaker 2: for the last few years. And you know, don't take

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Speaker 2: that for granted, because that's not It's not that way everywhere,

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Speaker 2: Like go look at go look at what the Colorado

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Speaker 2: Rocky fans deal with every year, or you know, go

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Speaker 2: look at what the Miami Marlins fans deal with or Oakland.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is not normal everywhere, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: it is good to zoom out every once in a

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Speaker 2: while and maintain perspective of how unbelievable this run has

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Speaker 2: been for Grace fans. But yeah, twenty twenty five team

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Speaker 2: is going to be very good. And now we're just

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Speaker 2: waiting to see when these injured guys come back, would

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Speaker 2: they give us. And we're waiting to see what Alex

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Speaker 2: does to the roster to improve on the few spots

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Speaker 2: where they do need to improve. And I'm I know

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Speaker 2: he almost certainly will. I would be stunned if he

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Speaker 2: doesn't add a starter, a reliever, and an outfielder at

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Speaker 2: some point in the next you know, two months, and

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Speaker 2: when you.

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Speaker 1: Put it in the perspective of okay, you look at

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Speaker 1: the fact that we were up three to one on

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers in the twenty twenty playoffs, unfortunately lost in

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Speaker 1: the NLCS. We won the twenty twenty one World Series,

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Speaker 1: and yet we're three years and three disappointing playoff appearances

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Speaker 1: removed from that, and yet we're still going into the

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Speaker 1: fourth year removed from that World Series title. It's clearly

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Speaker 1: a top five favorite to win the World Series as

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Speaker 1: of right now before any moves are made. And so

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Speaker 1: again that just speaks to I think just how deep

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Speaker 1: and talented this team is. But I think another thing

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Speaker 1: that you know is worth discussing it is the level

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Speaker 1: of names that were not tendreed contracts today. I know

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Speaker 1: that we already mentioned several of them, but I think

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Speaker 1: that that also was kind of a you know factor

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Speaker 1: in the Braves not wanting to pay Loreano the six

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Speaker 1: million pay. Canning defied me, and it was that the

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Speaker 1: fact is there are going to be options out there

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Speaker 1: that make some sense, and Stephen, you mentioned a few

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Speaker 1: of them. Jordan Romano really stands out to me as

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Speaker 1: someone that could make sense because he was a draft

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Speaker 1: pick of Alexanthopolis back in twenty fourteen. But when it

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Speaker 1: comes to those names that are out there, are there

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Speaker 1: one or two names that just, you know, really stand out.

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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned Kyle Finnegan, but do any of

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Speaker 1: the outfillers make sense to you that that could be

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Speaker 1: an option for the Braves. Maybe too early to tell,

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Speaker 1: but those of the players who are non tendered today,

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Speaker 1: I do think there are one or two who could

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Speaker 1: be a real value for Atlanta if they feel they

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Speaker 1: can bring them in and capitalize on maybe some previous

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Speaker 1: success they had had in the MLB. In MLB, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll beach see what they do.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of guys, you know. Dylan Carlson got

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Speaker 2: DFA today for the Rays. You know, he's left handed,

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Speaker 2: he's a center fielder, he's got talent. He had a

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Speaker 2: really bad year in twenty four so, you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: see what happens. That's a guy that has some interesting

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Speaker 2: Brian day La Cruz has always been a guy that

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Speaker 2: you know, has a profile that the Braves have looked

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Speaker 2: for in the past. It's the ball really hard, you know,

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Speaker 2: his expected numbers has always been really high, so that

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Speaker 2: could be a guy. Yeah, it was more about relievers today. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: like you said, Romano and Finnegan are guys that I

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Speaker 2: think the Brids would be interested in. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: a there's a few guys that got cut today, you know,

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Speaker 2: John Birdie. Uh it was with the Yankees and the Marlins.

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Speaker 2: Really good bench piece, kind of a utility guy, plays

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Speaker 2: everywhere in a good season last year. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: stunned if if the Braves out any of those guys

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Speaker 2: as depth pieces. I don't I don't think they're. I

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Speaker 2: do think they'll aim higher than that to start with.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think they've got some some actual real

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Speaker 2: names that they're targeting at all these positions. But on

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Speaker 2: the margins now, wouldn't surprise me at all if if

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Speaker 2: they went with some of those names, and you know,

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Speaker 2: probably some more that we hadn't mentioned that you know,

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Speaker 2: they've probably they probably like a little bit. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think they're I think they're gonna aim higher to

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Speaker 2: start with.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So what comes next is the question? And I

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Speaker 1: think that that really is what stands out. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're going into the weekend before Thanksgiving, you know, typically

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Speaker 1: you know, it could be pretty active going into you know,

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week, you don't necessarily see it, you know, when

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving happens and the weekend immediately after, but especially as

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Speaker 1: we get into that first week of December, I think

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Speaker 1: that's really where action will pick up. So yes, still

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Speaker 1: a few more days before we may start to see

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Speaker 1: you know, some really you know heavy you know news

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Speaker 1: duves and moves being made. But we've already seen some

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Speaker 1: pretty notable trades this week. I think it'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see what eventually happens, and maybe the Bruise will

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Speaker 1: make the Braves will make a move before Thanksgiving. Steven,

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Speaker 1: do you have anything else for us before we wrap

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Speaker 1: ups of the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 2: Nope, that's about it. We just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 2: we got on to talk about these moves, what they mean,

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Speaker 2: the money that was saved, what they're probably gonna do

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Speaker 2: with that money. And now now we're kind of in

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Speaker 2: a wedding game to see exactly how they start adding

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Speaker 2: back to the twenty twenty five team.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so we call it, you know, just waiting

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Speaker 1: on that blue square. You know, we got it today

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Speaker 1: when it came to the announcement of two additional hitting

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Speaker 1: coaches to the braves, but hopefully we'll get a couple

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Speaker 1: of those Blue Square announcements before Thanksgiving. A rise for

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