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Speaker 3: fifty minutes to get into the ten minutes of the juice.

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Speaker 2: We're just going to jump right into it. And speaking

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Speaker 3: I have two guys here that decided to stop juice

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Speaker 3: from flowing from your body in the eighties. Okay, So

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Speaker 3: today I've got Bart Goolong and I've got Charlie Barber. Okay,

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Speaker 3: and those two in the eighties. That's right, when Rambo

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Speaker 3: was coming out on theaters in nineteen eighty eighty three,

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Speaker 3: these guys were like, how do we stop blood from

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, gentlemen, Thanks so much, Thank you, Ron.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's more introduction. Right, let's talk about quick clot. Right,

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Speaker 3: you guys are the quick clot duo?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Kind of Charlie wrote the book, my partner and I

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Speaker 4: with other products right in the Blood, right, Charlie in

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Speaker 5: I'll set it up and then turn it over to Bart.

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Speaker 5: So I had nothing to do with the invention of

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Speaker 5: quick clot. I'm the writer. So I met Bart about

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Speaker 5: ten odd years ago. Please tell us how you met Okay, So,

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Speaker 5: I'm a book author. My book that we're talking about

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Speaker 5: today in the Blood is my fifth book and just

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Speaker 5: came out about two weeks ago. And I did meet

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Speaker 5: Bart ten years ago. Truth be told. He was going

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Speaker 5: So we get summoned to Old Sayber, Connecticut August eleven,

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Speaker 5: I believe it was. And I meet Bart and it's

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Speaker 5: and I said, I basically said, being the writer and journalist,

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Speaker 5: And I am where did you make your money? Because

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Speaker 5: It's now in the first aid kit of every soldier

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Speaker 5: The book came out two weeks ago. Bart, you probably

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Speaker 4: Yet again, I always add this, and that is uh.

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Speaker 4: I was interested in Charlie doing a book. He was

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Speaker 4: exactly exactly. And so now you guys reconnected, right. How'd

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Speaker 5: warts and all. Are you up for that? He said absolutely?

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Speaker 5: And then honestly, Base, I do other things. But basically

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Speaker 3: Right and it's called In the Blood, and it's the

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Speaker 4: Essentially, it's the story of myself and my partner and

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Speaker 4: a three year long battle that eventually fortunately the product one.

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Speaker 3: Now, if I can just like, let's think about like

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Speaker 4: As Tom Eagles was our POC in the Navy Marine community.

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Speaker 2: And say his name one more time, so we have

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Speaker 4: Sure, Master Chief Thomas Eagles.

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Speaker 3: All right, So forever it'll be out there on the internet,

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Speaker 2: I just want you to have that.

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Speaker 4: With an incredible honor to even speak his name, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, And so thank you for diving into saving lives.

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Speaker 3: I mean, someone had to go in and try to split,

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Speaker 3: you know, atoms to create that, and you guys had

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Speaker 2: What was your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're just like, you know, you come from

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Speaker 3: So you got that love and an English major, English major, right?

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Speaker 4: But let's go back to the way it started.

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Speaker 4: My partner, Frank Hersey is a genius.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, rockstar moment right there for you. Although you're saving

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Speaker 4: What we want to do is we want to see

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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about gun violence that's been happening in

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Speaker 5: In eight and again Bart i just wrote about it.

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Speaker 4: big army level. They had it, and in fact the

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00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: way they got it first was the British Marines had

437
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 4: it got wored very early on that our guys were

438
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: trading bottles of Scotch for quick Clock so they could

439
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: have it themselves. Oh, moms and wives were starting starting

440
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: fundraisers to get quick Clock so it could be sent

441
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 4: down range to their National Guard units that were.

442
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: The personal purchase stuff. They wanted to try to personal

443
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: purchase as wives of support home saying if our government's

444
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: not giving it to the boys and the girls that

445
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 3: need it, we're going to do something on the home

446
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: front to try to give them this product. Was it

447
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: available to the civilians to purchase or were you specifically

448
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: workings or not? GSA, I don't want to say that,

449
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: but like government at this point, I mean.

450
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 4: We were mainly working government, but I was at I

451
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 4: was at the Army Trauma Conference in Florida and feeling

452
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: pretty low because to my mind, whatever and this is

453
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: the way it was. Whatever happened at Fort Sam Houston

454
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 4: determined everything the Army bought from a medical.

455
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: In total medical area too. Fort Sam Houston, Yep, yep.

456
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: But I was there and we were suffering the slings

457
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: and arrows of all the guys that had been convinced

458
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: by Fort Sam that our product was no good. And

459
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: it was the chief surgeon, divisional surgeon of the tenth

460
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 4: Mountain Division, of course, who came walking down the aisle said,

461
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 4: show me your product. I showed it to him, told him,

462
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 4: if it's improperly applied, there's a risk of a second

463
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: degree burn. And he said to me, so second degree

464
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: burn and you're alive, or no burn and you're dead, right.

465
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: I said that that pretty much adds it up. I

466
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: should tell you that Fort sm Houston, the institute the ISR,

467
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 4: is against the product. And what he said was, I

468
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: don't care what the laborat say. They don't get down

469
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 4: range and get shot at by people they'd never met before.

470
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: My guys are the ones that are out there putting

471
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: their ass on the line. And I want this for

472
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 4: my guys. That began a whole nother process of us

473
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: realizing we're not going to sell it from the top down,

474
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: so we started selling it from the bottom up. We

475
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: went to individual units who had their credit cards for

476
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 4: their unit, and every unit in line would max oute.

477
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: We ended up selling it from the bottom up and

478
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: created the tidle wave of sales at that that pissed

479
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: off Fort Sam so much that they outlawed it. Oh

480
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: what their next move was to outlaw the products.

481
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Someone's panties were ruffled.

482
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: Yep, and uh it was. It was a serious battle

483
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: that ended up on the Floria Congress, but eventually we won.

484
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: What administration was.

485
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: That that was George W.

486
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: The junior Right, Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean if you're

487
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: literally I have a cat, I have a litter box.

488
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: It clumps really like it. I'm thinking about Brave Heart.

489
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: I'm like so many blood wounds.

490
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: And like hacks and like stabs and just.

491
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: Like these flesh wounds that they probably could have lived from,

492
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: right if they just like put sand on it, even

493
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: just to clott it, just to like per se.

494
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: Remember, it's got to be selective.

495
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: It does, it does, It's specific. I understand it. But

496
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: you design something from the earth. Everything that we have

497
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: is from this earth.

498
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Man, oh man.

499
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: You know I can't claim credit for that. It's my partner, Franker,

500
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: that's right, has the genius that Charlie talked about. That's

501
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: simple solutions for very complex problems, and that's what really

502
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: can make this country work.

503
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: You're right rad in that there's something brilliantly primitive about

504
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: the solution that Frank came up with. There. If you

505
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: go to ancient texts, Greek and Persian texts, they use

506
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: clays on wounds and think of a dog rolling in

507
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: the dirt after a wound. Right, And there's a mind

508
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 5: boggling thing that I'll put out to you and your listeners.

509
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 5: So the zelite that we're talking about eventually became synthetic zeolite,

510
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 5: that is, you know, based on the actual mineral, but

511
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: a synthetic product LAB created. Yeah, Lab created, right, And

512
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: so that was what went to war.

513
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Right.

514
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 5: It's been such a phenomenon. Zeolite and the use of

515
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 5: another mineral, kalin, which is now what's in currently in

516
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 5: combat gauze that causes no heat. So there's no way

517
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 5: around it. It's just a brilliant slam dunk product. The

518
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: company that runs it, Bart had sold it around the

519
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 5: time that I met him, the company that makes it

520
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 5: now it was sold for half a billion dollars a

521
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: couple of years ago. So it's just a you know,

522
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 5: this was an idea that a guy had in a

523
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: basement in nineteen eighty three. So there's been a lot

524
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: of research about these two minerals and their miraculous ability

525
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: but very simple ability to clot blood. So Chinese researchers,

526
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: this is only about three years ago, and I read,

527
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: you know, can't tell you how many scientific articles I read,

528
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: and I talked to twenty hematologists, et cetera, et cetera.

529
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: Chinese researchers wounded rabbits, this is like three years ago,

530
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 5: and they used the minerals you like, just out of

531
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: the mountains of China, right ground up right, you know,

532
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 5: a relatively small study. It worked brilliantly at clotting blood.

533
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: So here's the mind blowing thing. If a Frank hurt

534
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 5: and then a guy like Bart Goolong had come along

535
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: in eighteen fifty nine, because it's just the rock works

536
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 5: just as well. And think of if this had been

537
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 5: available in World War One, in World War two worldwide,

538
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: we're talking hundreds of millions of people. The Pentagon estimated

539
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 5: three or four years into the War on Terror it

540
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 5: had saved Quicklot had saved one hundred and fifty soldiers

541
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 5: and marines lives in the scheme of things, I honor

542
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: them all, but there it's a relatively low you know,

543
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: injury and death war right. And also Quicklot was this

544
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: US use was used on civilians a lot in Iraq

545
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 5: because they wore a lot of the bloodshed. So the

546
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: mind boggling thing is if someone had come up with

547
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: this idea, you know, three centuries ago, how many more

548
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: people would be alive now?

549
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: Kings, kings who died who probably needed to die, would

550
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: still be alive, right, you know, like like that boar

551
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: that got the one king in the leg and he

552
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: just bled and just kept bleeding and kept bleeding. You know,

553
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: it's like, where's my quick clot that's black magic, Your majesty,

554
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: we need to like leach you. It's like, no, give

555
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: me the quick clot. Well you're dead, sorry, bro. Next,

556
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: So it's like not to I mean to put it. So,

557
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: you're right, if it was so thought about, if you

558
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: just if they just looked at mud on the side

559
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: of the river becoming mud with dirt, water and dirt

560
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: mixing together to like coagulate itself and bind itself.

561
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: The step here now, just real quick. I think part

562
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 5: of the story of the book and the you know,

563
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 5: one of the lessons of the book is that sometimes

564
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 5: it takes a total outsider to see something clearly. And

565
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 5: we're not here to diss those PhDs mds doing the

566
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: biotech stuff, although they didn't treat Bart very well. They're like,

567
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 5: who is this guy that just walked into our meeting? Right,

568
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 5: they're working within the paradigm that they know of. You know,

569
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 5: they know the clotting cascade well. Of course, to promote

570
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: the clotting cast gade, you add some more clotting factors.

571
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 5: It took a guy, you know, Frank As a bachelor's

572
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 5: degree in engineering. He went to night school for ten

573
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 5: years to get it. This is around the time that

574
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 5: he comes up with the idea. No, he doesn't really

575
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: actually know much about blood. He to this day he

576
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: gets things about blood wrong. Because we were on the

577
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 5: circuit a lot. He started gets some things a little confused.

578
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: But it takes the outsider to see it more clearly

579
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 5: than the people in it. And one of the things

580
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 5: I'm proud about this book is honoring the role of

581
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 5: the amateur, you know, the brilliant amateur who can see

582
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 5: what we don't see. You know, it's a little it's

583
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 5: a little van go like, you know, it's a little

584
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: bit like this guy saw things that nobody else could see.

585
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: It's very much like that.

586
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: It's very much you know, I don't know savant, you know,

587
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 3: it's like they're good at what they can. Some people

588
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: can see things differently. Artists have a different way to

589
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: draw with their mindset. I do things differently than you.

590
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, you know, it takes as a

591
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: pen and a pad and you can write down your

592
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: thoughts in the lab and you know, come out with it.

593
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: It just is that way. It's amazing that he created

594
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: and thought around it. And I don't mean to just

595
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: call it dirt. Let me be clear, Okay, the zealite

596
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: is not just that is a refined mineral.

597
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: It is refined.

598
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: It is it is created to stop the bleeding out

599
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: of your body, and I want to respect it, but

600
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: I'm just so like you said, it could have been

601
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: so primitive thought about.

602
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: But Frank was like, hey, you know this is let

603
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: me try this.

604
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 4: He's a genius. He truly is a genius. On the

605
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 4: one hand, he can see things. You hit it right

606
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: on the head. Yeah. He looks at everything around us

607
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: with a little bit different angle than anyone else. And

608
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: I saw that in him very early, and it taught

609
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: me enough to shut up and let him let him

610
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: speak when those few times they did speak. Very quiet guy,

611
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 4: very unassuming, can't handle meetings at all. Hill. My greatest

612
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: memory is we were negotiating the sale of the company

613
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 4: for two hundred million dollars.

614
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

615
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: Ten minutes into the meeting, he got up and wandered

616
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: and said, well, you guys got this.

617
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, you got this? I need to driggle

618
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: water A good.

619
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 4: Also the kind of guy who would we never Frank

620
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 4: and I never had a piece of paper between us.

621
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: Everything we did we did on a handshake. Just an

622
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: unbelievable guy. But there's the next step here, and for

623
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: your listeners and from our point of view, my point

624
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 4: of view, in Frank's point of view, the job isn't

625
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 4: done yet because in the same way that discovering the

626
00:36:52,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: bacteria caused most diseases. Quick lot has changed the entire paradigm,

627
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 4: the entire plane agram of saving people from bleeding. Quick

628
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: clot essentially puts the power to stop bleeding that only

629
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: a surgeon has right into the hands of anyone who

630
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: can open a packet. That's right, and we haven't gotten

631
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: there yet. Police officers carry it. That's a big step forward.

632
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 4: Should be at every gun range. It should be like

633
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: and it's a breaking case of emergency. It should be

634
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: like here it is, you know. And so a lot

635
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: of folks want to be trained on stuff, you know,

636
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 4: they want to wear these different use these different you know,

637
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: specific one tourniquit and like there's like fourteen different tourniquits

638
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: that they should know them all, you know what I mean,

639
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: Understand how they all apply it quick clot. Understand how

640
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: it applies and how you try to get it to stop.

641
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: You know.

642
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: So if you're ever presented with that, you know, just

643
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: do probably a YouTube tuatorial. You can probably look this

644
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: up on YouTube. How do I apply quick clot? And

645
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: you know, if you go and get quick clot and

646
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: you don't want to open up your own packet and

647
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: waste it, you can maybe watch tutorials.

648
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's out.

649
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: There you can buy. You can also buy a training package.

650
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: Oh, perfect training package, you know, and you can just

651
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: get down on it. That's the best way to do

652
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: it right, one hundred percent. Just have an understanding, have

653
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: it in your backseat of your car.

654
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: But it's no longer. It's no longer you wait for

655
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: the cop to arrive or you wait for the ambulance

656
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: to arrive. Now it's you open a package and you

657
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: save a life and you're the first responder and you

658
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 4: are able to save that person's life inside the golden hour.

659
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 4: I'm sure your listeners know the gold know the golden hour,

660
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: and once you're inside that golden hour, the chance of

661
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: survival is so much higher. And that's what quick Collet does.

662
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: It gives life, it preserves life.

663
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: Okay, nothing's one hundred percent perfect. Let's be clear.

664
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 3: Okay, you can apply this and things can still take

665
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 3: a traumatic toll the opposite direction. And I'm sure that

666
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: this product helps give you the percentages that you want

667
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: to survive and need to and it gives morale to

668
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: the person probably.

669
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: Applying it to you, like hey, I got some quick

670
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: cloud and puts on you okay, I got you. I

671
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: got you okay, and like, you.

672
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: Know, just that empathy trying to just know that I've

673
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: got something to put on you and give you that

674
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: peace of mind while you're in your worst that might

675
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: help you. I got you.

676
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: You know.

677
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 4: In the in the battlefield environment, it's a force multiplier

678
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: because when one warrior gets wounded, that means that guarantees

679
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: that two people are out of the action. That's right,

680
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: And what it means is that that second warrior can stop,

681
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 4: apply hold your own pressure, and back in the fight.

682
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: In the civilian community, even police officers don't get that

683
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: until every time I get stopped by a cop or

684
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: I see a cop, I give them. I give them

685
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: a combat goes and they say, well, I already carry that.

686
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: I've got my belt trauma kit. I carry it. And

687
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: I said, this isn't for your cruiser, this is for

688
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: your family car. M And you can see the light

689
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: go off, and that's where it should be.

690
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: Every good bar keep.

691
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: Turning those lights on, keep turning the lights on. You

692
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: just keep turning everybody's lights on. Bart and you know

693
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: you're turning my lights on. I'm like, I'm like, where's

694
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: my quick clot.

695
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: Is it here? I'm like, is it on my dresser?

696
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: Where was it last? You know? Really? You know?

697
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: And I just want to be clear to my listener

698
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: and to anybody listening. These guys are guests of my show.

699
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: I am in no way like paid in any context

700
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: by these guys to talk about the book In the

701
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: Blood and quit Clot. What I have here is I've

702
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: got a guy who looks like he's got a halo

703
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: around him in the top corner, and that's Bart and

704
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: he's all nice and glowy.

705
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

706
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: He's the one that helps bring Quickclock to the market.

707
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: And then we got Charlie who is the author of

708
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: In the Blood, the story about the creation and where

709
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: it's at today of quick clot. So you know, this

710
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: is something that you can go find, probably like at

711
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: a local sporting goods store nowadays.

712
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: Don't you think it's available on Amazon?

713
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: I should also say that we sold the company a

714
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: long time ago. We no longer have any financial interest,

715
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 4: but we still have a very moral and personal interest

716
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: and seeing this product it out there.

717
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: I feel, if I may, before you know you say

718
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: anything else, I feel that you and Frank, although there

719
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: was this money at the pot in the rainbow here

720
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: for you. I don't feel like that's what it was

721
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: really one hundred percent. I feel like you're like, hey,

722
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 3: this can But I feel like Frank was like a savant.

723
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, good, do you think this could

724
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 3: help stop bleeding? And you're like, yeah, bro, like this

725
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: is he already?

726
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: You know.

727
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: I just feel like, you know, it wasn't about that,

728
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: because I don't get that from you.

729
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 4: No, it's in fact, when we were in the worst

730
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: of it, when the army was trying to destroy us,

731
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: we sat down and we realized together. There was never

732
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 4: any conversation about stopping giving up.

733
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: What there was was.

734
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: Recognition that we were the Blues Brothers and we're here

735
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 4: on mission from God. That's right, and that mission isn't

736
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: over as long as somebody bleeds out there and doesn't

737
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: have the product. We're still on that mission. Who's Jake,

738
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: Who's Olwen? Which one's Frank?

739
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: Right here? Let's go, We gotta go, guys.

740
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: Come on, you know, next interview, I'll be in a

741
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: hat in a suit.

742
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: Rad I love it.

743
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: To your point. Friends of mine run a what's called

744
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 5: a violence intervention program in New Haven. There most of

745
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: them are former felons, and they go into rough neighborhoods

746
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 5: in New Haven, Connecticut where you know, frankly they were

747
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 5: gang involved or whatever. They've now reformed their lives and

748
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 5: they're work reaching out to kids don't do what I did.

749
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 5: And they intervene after a shooting to try and you know,

750
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 5: get kids not to retaliate and things like that. So

751
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 5: I was just actually, they came to our reading in

752
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: New Haven a couple of weeks ago, members of the team.

753
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 5: They were saying, we need this this stuff right, our

754
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 5: team needs this stuff. Our kids need this stuff. I

755
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 5: followed up on it. Bart wants to get them some

756
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 5: combat gauze, and we're going to follow through on that,

757
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: in fact where I think we're going to do an

758
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 5: educational session. But I subsequently followed up and the guy

759
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 5: who runs the team as a former parole officer, said,

760
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 5: virtually all of the guys on the team have stood

761
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: there helplessly while a kid that they had been working

762
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 5: with is bleeding out on the street, waiting and they're

763
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 5: waiting for the MTS to arrive. And you know, I

764
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 5: think first responder systems in the United States are very

765
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 5: good for the most part, I think they're very sophisticated,

766
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 5: but there you can die in five minutes from a

767
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 5: gunshot wound. They're usually not there in five minutes. Right, Oh,

768
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: totally right, I mean, and so totally can do is

769
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 5: by time for the empts and the police to arrive.

770
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 5: And you know, it's a hugely popular product. It's but

771
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: you know, it's not as well known as it should.

772
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: And one of the things that we're really enjoying because

773
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 5: Bart and Frank and I are on the circuit, although

774
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 5: it's really Bart and me because Frank doesn't talk very much,

775
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: but it would be a three minute interview rad Yeah, yeah.

776
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: Right, I'll get it out of him. It's been an

777
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: hour already.

778
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 5: We're realizing that one of the secondary gains, or maybe

779
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 5: this primary gain of this book, because we we got

780
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 5: a rave review in the Wall Street Journal a couple

781
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 5: of weeks ago, we're sort of in demand. We're realizing

782
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 5: that one of the I think Bart would say, the

783
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 5: number one thing we're getting out of the book is

784
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 5: you know, promoting quick clot and it should be in

785
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 5: the hands of you know, people everywhere, including your cat.

786
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed, I'm just holding up. I just do I

787
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: have a cat in my hand. Go ahead, Lena, No, I.

788
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: Just she just wanted to hear and see you. She

789
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: wanted to see you. She wants to see who I'm

790
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: talking to about. Quick clod right, the number one blood

791
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: coagulating agent probably on the market that helped stops festering

792
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: wounds from festering any further. You know, just recently in

793
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: the NBA, there was a championship game that happened in Denver,

794
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: So you know this morning or last night, nine people

795
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: were just shot. Oh no, just outside the having a

796
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: celebration for this was in Denver last night this morning.

797
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: I hate to date my shows, but I'm just bringing

798
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: it up.

799
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 2: Right. That's combat. Those are casualty. There's that's mass hysteria.

800
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: That's the crowds dispersing.

801
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: That's people just laying there, people not knowing what they're

802
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: looking at, laying there, not knowing what they're doing. They're

803
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 3: laying there, they're just out having a party, drinking a beer,

804
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: celebrating the championship of their favorite professional basketball team in

805
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: their state, and just pop, pa, pa papa. You know,

806
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 3: if first responders had quick claw or have it, that's

807
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: probably going to help them to be able to assess

808
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: that situation and triage them.

809
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: It's just like that they should just have it. Everybody

810
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: should have.

811
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 5: It, right, and it's great at first responder have it,

812
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 5: but even not all first responders have it. I think

813
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 5: at this point EMTs have it. But and it's standard

814
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 5: issue and NYPD, but you know, obviously we follow it

815
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 5: very closely. There's still fundraisers that Little Rock, Arkansas just

816
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 5: making that up. The first responders are trying to do

817
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: a fundraiser to get it, you know, and I found because.

818
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: The department can't afford it.

819
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: Right, But it's a life right, It's priceless, right, Like

820
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: how much can I buy my life back for?

821
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Right?

822
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: But it's a fire extinguisher too, And you know, a

823
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: fire extinguisher is the kind of thing that you'd never

824
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: need until you need it, then you really need it, right,

825
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: And that's pretty much essentially what quick clod is too.

826
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: And until people realize that there are fires burning all

827
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 4: around them, right, it's going to be an uphill battle.

828
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: That's right.

829
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: I've been involved in car accidents that happened behind me

830
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere, and all I had was

831
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: like a little rink ade flashlight and it was just

832
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: like lighting up a little my grandpa's nineteen sixties camp

833
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: or silver flashlight.

834
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like, why do I have this in two.

835
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: Thousands in my cars that have some tactical light period

836
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere.

837
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: In the darkness.

838
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: I've used it and given it to emt Yeah, at

839
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: car accidents that I've stopped at.

840
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: That's right, eight times. That's right. Because you might be

841
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: that first responder. You might you know, or self rescue.

842
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: Yep, right, what if it's just you and you have

843
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: it and you something happens when you do cut your

844
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: leg and you're bleeding.

845
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Charlie.

846
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 5: So I do have to have you ask your question

847
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: to Bart about famous musicians that he's met.

848
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, right right.

849
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: We were talking about that, and I know, I get

850
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 3: all emotional and like really passionate about something.

851
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: And we love rock stars, right. I was talking to

852
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: Charlie a little bit.

853
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: I had done some security in the past and work

854
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: with some rock stars, and there was a question on

855
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: one of the internet social media's and it's like, who's

856
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: the most famous person that you've.

857
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: Spoken to as a rock star?

858
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: And I sat there and I looked at it and

859
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: I've been around a few people and I was like,

860
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: Neil Diamond and I wrote Neil Diamond down.

861
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to talk to him.

862
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 5: You know.

863
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: That was a cool two day security gig.

864
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: I got to work with him and I met him

865
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 3: in ways that people never saw him, just normal dude

866
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: in a cardigan sweater, and then he comes out and sparkles,

867
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: like this Neil Diamond that we want to see in

868
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 3: the concert. All security has to wears black. No one's

869
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: allowed to wear any other colors because he wears all

870
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: black that sparkles. So he doesn't want like some yellow

871
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: security anywhere in the show at all. It's no he

872
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: just like boom him.

873
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: Have you Charlie?

874
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: Do you guys have anybody that you've ever met who's

875
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: the most famous musician? Bart, let's go with you.

876
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 5: I did some bodyguarding in my life, so Brad, I

877
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: know nobody. I've never met a famous musician. But but

878
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 5: Bart has a story for you.

879
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: Let's hear Bart.

880
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: I have a friend who I was involved with musicians

881
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: for a while, and I did some bodyguarding and I

882
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 4: was bodyguarding for a friend in New York City at

883
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: the what was the name of that club. It was

884
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: a western It was a country and western club downtown

885
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 4: and the Lone Star Cafe exactly. And it was a

886
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: guitar guitarist. Do you remember the name of the guy.

887
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: It was a rockabilly guitarist from Texas who Lonnie Mac

888
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 4: whom my buddy was the road manager, the manager for

889
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 4: Lonnie Mack. He asked me to come down. He said,

890
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some celebrities. I just wanted you to

891
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: keep an eye on them. So I went down at

892
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 4: the appointed hour and it was Mick Jagger in the crowd.

893
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 4: So I stood behind him, just stood at his table.

894
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: There was it was a it was a great crowd,

895
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: there was no issue. And stood there for a while.

896
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: At the break, my buddy said, Okay, go upstairs. Go

897
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 4: up the stairs. There's a dressing room, a long corridor,

898
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: he said, nobody, but nobody goes in that dressing room

899
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: except the band. So I went upstairs. I'm standing there,

900
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: ready to go, ready to be that bodyguard, you know. Yeah,

901
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 4: a big French coat on the whole deal.

902
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it.

903
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 4: There comes Mick Jagger down the down and I thought, okay,

904
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 4: Mick Jagger's coming in hey, mate. So Mick came in

905
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 4: and I was I was along with Mick Jagger, and

906
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 4: I have to say I was a little tongue tied

907
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: standing there with Mick. I look up and two more

908
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: guys are coming down down the corridor and they are

909
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 4: the scruffiest looking guys I've ever seen in life, and

910
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: I thought, all right, there's no way these dirtbags in here.

911
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: Sed up and I stood up and I said, sorry,

912
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 4: nobody but nobody except the band comes in the store.

913
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: And one of the scruffy little guys said, well, well,

914
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: I'm Bob Dylan's manager, and this is Bob Dylan. Oh,

915
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: I said, nobody but Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, and.

916
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: Bob Bob Dylan's manager, and.

917
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: So I let him in. Jagger came to me. Jagger

918
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: kind of slid over and said, I've never met Bob Dylan,

919
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: which you introduced me. So, I mean, obviously I just

920
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 4: met Bob Dylan, but he just wanted he's icebreaker in

921
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: a strange way.

922
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

923
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 4: So that's my claim to fame. I actually introduced Mick

924
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 4: Jagger and Bob Dylan.

925
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: Dude, we're going to have that typed out in our website.

926
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: The fact that you introduced Mick Jagger to Bob, Dylan,

927
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: Anton or Chris whoever does my dictations put that in this?

928
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean it.

929
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: I know you guys listen to this. This is awesome.

930
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: That's awesome, as awesome as quickclot. I know you're a

931
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: rock star, bro, I felt it.

932
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: In my own mind.

933
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: Well aren't we all? You know?

934
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: I tell people if you wind up in a conversation

935
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: to me, I only talk to rockstars, you know, So

936
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: if we're talking, then there you are.

937
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: All right.

938
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: I'm honored doubly. Now it's a privilege. I'm glad, Charlie.

939
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 3: And what was it, Scott that arranged the whole situation

940
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: on the back end? Maybe your publicist, Scott. Let's give

941
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: him a shout out for arranging all of us together today.

942
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: I really want to say thanks for reaching out and

943
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: wanting to.

944
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: Be on the show. That makes me want to have

945
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: you on the show. And you know in the blood

946
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: do you want to say anything about that, Charlie? You

947
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: want to say? I know it came out already. It's

948
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: where every book is sold right.

949
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 5: Amazon, Barnes and Noble, your own bookstores, bookstore, dot Org

950
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 5: and it's getting really nice reviews. There's more to come.

951
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 5: We'll probably be on your show in a couple of years.

952
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 5: Very proud of the book, and it's you know, we're

953
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 5: getting this story out into the world. That is, these

954
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 5: guys live through it. And maybe a lot of your

955
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 5: listeners know about it because they were in combat and

956
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 5: they were dealing with you know, quick lot and the

957
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 5: alternative products. But most people don't know about this. So

958
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 5: it's a very very satisfying to get you know, a

959
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 5: lot of the There's a couple of reactions to the book.

960
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 5: One is I can't put it down, and because it's

961
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 5: kind of like a movie and it's it's it intercuts

962
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 5: between the principles, which it should be yep. The other

963
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 5: thing is how did I not know about this?

964
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: Right?

965
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: Let me just say something real quick about about Charlie.

966
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: Charlie writes nonfiction books, and when just the word nonfiction

967
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 4: has immediately it feels like there's a dryness sucking into

968
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: you that it's, oh, this is nonfiction and it's not

969
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 4: that interesting. It's a reality. Even if this, even if

970
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: this were a boring story, which I think you've seen,

971
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 4: it's not Charlie has a way of turning a nonfiction

972
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: work into a novel, and the kind of novel just

973
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 4: as he says, you really can't put it down. It's

974
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 4: a novel that happens to be true.

975
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

976
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: Is it available on like audible for anybody that may

977
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: want to like truck drive and listen?

978
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, is all right? Good? Or you know, work in

979
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: the fob and listen.

980
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: Just to give you an example, Just to give you

981
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: an example. Yesterday morning, Frank sent me a text that said, Gee,

982
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 4: I've got a friend who's too blind to read, and

983
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry he can't get the book. I said,

984
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: and I type back in, said Frank, there are audible books.

985
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 4: The reply, what's that? So that's another little piece of Frank.

986
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: Now he knows. When I explained to him that audible

987
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 4: books been available for years, he's His response was, what

988
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: a great idea.

989
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think of that.

990
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: Like sands through the hour glass, Frank, like sands through

991
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: the hour glass, my friend. Okay, Well, I think that

992
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, you guys have been awesome to be on

993
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: the show. It's been a wonderful opportunity to talk with you.

994
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: I think that this should become a movie or a

995
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: TV series, and I hope you all the success, and

996
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 3: if it does, I can totally play Bart. There you go, okay, there,

997
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: I was thinking maybe i'd play you.

998
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh do it?

999
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 4: Do it?

1000
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: Okay? Perfect, And we'll just have to incorporate the show

1001
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: towards in the show. Come on, Charlie, work with us here.

1002
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: But again, I love that you put words on paper, okay,

1003
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: And I love that you use your your mega mind

1004
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: to do so. And you're still in that lifestyle.

1005
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: I love that.

1006
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: I want you to keep that up. Someone's gonna have

1007
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: to write for me when I get my life story

1008
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 3: out there.

1009
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: Bart.

1010
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: It's an honor and a pleasure. And Frank, I know

1011
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: you're gonna watch us and listen to this. You keep

1012
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: up being a madman, and you may not know it,

1013
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: but you are.

1014
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: And just keep it up.

1015
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: And you know there's other things you can still cocoon yourself,

1016
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: bro and butterfly something else. All right, we have many

1017
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: lives to live through this one time on earth, So

1018
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: you know, kicking up a notch, Bro, if you got

1019
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: a quick clot, you got more.

1020
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: Come on, Frank, let me inspire you. Is that a

1021
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: good call out for Frank?

1022
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 5: That was that was.

1023
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: All right. Well, with that said, I'm gonna wind down

1024
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 2: the show. I've had your guys's souls for an hour.

1025
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 3: There's a whole life worth of the work that you've

1026
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: put out here, and there's a whole more that you

1027
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: can read about by checking out It's in the Blood,

1028
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 3: right in the Blood, In the Blood written by Charlie

1029
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: Barber co created by Bart and his buddy Frank, and

1030
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: my name is rad saying thanks for watching Soft Rep.

1031
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: Go buy our merch and I appreciate you, Brandon Weapon putting.

1032
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: Me on the show all the time.

1033
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: Same peaks, lease them listening to self red Radia