1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Big happy birthday to Keith Urban, who is fifty six. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Keith Urban's awesome. It's really great, dude. Spend a lot 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: of time with him. Would even say he's a friend. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: We did this interview together. It is over an hour long, 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: and it's a birthday, and I thought this interview was 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: so good, and you know, it's so much a glimpse 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: into Keith Urban's early life and why he is who 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: he is, so I wanted to play it for you guys. 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: Now it's an old Bobby Cast episode, but happy birthday 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Keith Thurban, fifty six years old. 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: Enjoy this interview right. 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Here all right in with Keith Urban, which it's Caitlin 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: sends her best my wife. 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: She just said, Keith's coming over. I said yeah. 15 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: She said, tell him, first of all, thank you for 16 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: the the wedding. Gifty cent's the nicest sheets we've ever 17 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: owned in our entire life. 18 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 2: Nice. You should stay in more often, you know. 19 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: She got on to me a little bit because you 20 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: probably don't do this, but I still have two At times, 21 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: I have SPRAYTND yeah okay, okay, And I got into 22 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: the sheets and spraytand once and she reminded me how 23 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: nice of sheets they were, and then I should never 24 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: do that again. 25 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: And then you reminded her how much expense if tanning 26 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: was and it didn't work. 27 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: The tanning does not really hold a candle to the 28 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: destroyed sheet. 29 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: Yes, but they weren't destroyed and they all came out wonderfully. 30 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: But she said, tell him thank you, and she had 31 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: even asked, and you tell me because we had written 32 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: you and your lovely wife and thank you card, but 33 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: we thought we would just mail it instead of handing 34 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: it to you, which would have been more awkward to 35 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: hand it to you in person or just to get 36 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: it like a normal in the mail. 37 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: Either way both of fine. Yeah, and you could have 38 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: even not sent it, but told me that you did 39 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: in its authoid accounts. 40 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: I said that to to people, and I said, hey, 41 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: what if I just send people a message for a 42 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: wedding gift, like a video message? 43 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: I hear felt sure, absolutely human, Yeah, and said. 44 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: That, and I said, but everybody just roasted me like 45 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: it was the dumbest thing they had ever heard, because 46 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: they just loved the tradition of the hand. If someone 47 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: sends me a thank you card for something, I expected 48 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: thank you card for I don't feel like it means 49 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: as much if I get a thank you card for 50 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: something I don't expect to thank you. 51 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's awesome, I hear you. You know it's a 52 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: complicated etiquette, isn't it? Is this back home? Is it 53 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: so etiquette back in like Australia, New Zealand? Etiquitte? 54 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: This is a dumb American thing where we have this, 55 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: you know? Is this the thing there with after if 56 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: someone gets married? Back in New Zealand, I. 57 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Had to learn the whole thing about thank you gods. 58 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: And because I didn't grow up with any of that, 59 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: I think my family was not that etiquette at all, 60 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: etiquitte eternally just no, they were not at all. I 61 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: had to learn the hardway here that you write thank 62 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: you notes to people. That was that was completely foreign 63 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: to me. 64 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: I remember once you were kind enough to invite me 65 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: over to your place. It was a Christmas and we 66 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: were in Australia and you said, hey, you should come over, 67 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: and I was talking to you about music in Australia, 68 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: New Zealand and country music in particular. 69 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: I was like, what is country music like here? 70 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: And you had kind of expressed to me that country 71 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: music there is kind of am like, it's a different 72 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: kind of home bred, folksy country in Australia. That's some 73 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: of the American version is getting over there, but it's 74 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: hard to find country music on the radio in Australia. 75 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: Well, the struggle for Australian country artists is there isn't 76 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: the big mainstream infrastructure that there is here in America. 77 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: You know, here we have FM country stations everywhere, satellite radio, 78 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: you got multiple video platforms. This is even preceding YouTube 79 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: with CMT and GAC. None of that existed in Australia. 80 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: So there was a lot of country artists wanting to 81 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: make more mainstream sounding country music, but there wasn't the 82 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: platforms for it. And there's some degree that's still a 83 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: struggle there. 84 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: So how growing up there did you attach yourself to 85 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the thought of country music and that that's the kind 86 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: of music you wanted to make, or were you naturally 87 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: just making it and it was the most organic place 88 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: for you to fit musically here? 89 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: It well, I mean Nashville was just the destination because 90 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: why was it the destination? It was written on the 91 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: back of all the records that my dad had Dom 92 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: Williams mostly and Glenn Campbell, Charlie Pride, Merle Haggard, all 93 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: of those records all set on the back of them 94 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: recorded in Nashville, Tennessee. So as a kid, I'm like, oh, 95 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: that's where you go to make records. Period. I just 96 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: thought that's where you go if you want to make 97 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: a record. 98 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: But how did your dad get so involved in music 99 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: from Nashville because not all was from Nashville. You're talking 100 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: about country music, like other than Bob Dylan Nashville Skyline, 101 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, there weren't a lot of I don't know 102 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: if pap would be the word or Nashville wasn't big 103 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: unless it was country Americana. 104 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: So how did your dad get involved in that scene? Musically? 105 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: So in the fifties he was playing in a band. 106 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: In the fifties he was a drummer and he played 107 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: and ban called the Ricochets in New Zealand and in 108 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: the fifties. Rock and roll happened in the mid fifties, right, 109 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: so it made its way down to New Zealand. My 110 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: dad got obsessed with rock and roll and consequently American movies, 111 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: American cars. We always had American cars growing up. Which 112 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: is crazy in Australia, and he was just in love 113 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: with America and he loved rock and roll in the fifties, 114 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: all through the sixties, and then in the late sixties 115 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: when rock and roll kind of went a in a bigger, 116 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: kind of different direction than I mean, the origins of 117 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: rock and roll is really rockabilly. You know, there was 118 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: a country element in early rock and roll. So when 119 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: rock then became more rock as we knew it through 120 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: the sixties seventies, my dad went, that's kind of a 121 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: little too hard for me. And here's the connection. There 122 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: was a group called the pos O Seiko Singers, which 123 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: was a folk group in the sixties, and one of 124 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: the members of that group was a guy called Donald Williams. 125 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: And then he broke away from that group, dropped the 126 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Donald became Dom Williams in went country, and my dad 127 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: just followed him. That was really it. 128 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: And so you growing up listening to that music, that 129 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: was your music in the house. 130 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, and my mom loved Neil Diamond Everly Brothers. 131 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: My brother was into Elo and Supertramp and Eagles and 132 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: Fleet Act. So that was all the fusion. How proficient 133 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: was your dad with a guitar. Oh, terrible with guitar, 134 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: great with drums, but terrible on guitar. 135 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: So for you, was it drums at first or were 136 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: other people playing a guitar around you and you're like, 137 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: think that that's it for me? 138 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: No, they said Mom and dad brought me a ukulele 139 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: when I was five, and I guess it's a toy 140 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: I mean, and and my dad said I could strum 141 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: it in time with songs on the radio. I wasn't 142 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: playing any chords, but the rhythm was there, so rhythm, 143 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: which I mean possibly from him, definitely. Yeah. And my 144 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: grandfather played piano, so all of my dad's music brothers 145 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: were all musical. Trumpet, piano, guitar, drums, four brothers. Uh, 146 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: So it was all musical, and I just took the guitar, 147 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: I guess because of the ukulele. 148 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: Was he the dad that wanted you to follow in 149 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: his footsteps of Hey, if I'm musical, I think it's 150 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: cool that you're musical, or like so many people in 151 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: the creative world's I've seen what a beast this can be, right, Like, 152 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: I would like to push you away from it, unless 153 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: you push so hard back that you want to get 154 00:06:59,080 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: in it. 155 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was it definitely because I I I 156 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: wasn't very disciplined as a kid. I don't know if 157 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: you can relate to that, Bobby, But were you disciplined 158 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: as a kid, because are you disciplined now? 159 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: Yes, because of the addiction that my mom had and 160 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: my dad left, you know, because I was by myself 161 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: with my dad bailing out when I was six, my 162 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: mom being a drug addict her entire life. I was 163 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: so disciplined that I couldn't go down that path or 164 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I was going to just go down the path and 165 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: live in that path. So, you know, even today, I've 166 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: never had a drink of alcohol because I feel the 167 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: addict in me with other things I do. So I 168 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: am extremely disciplined until i'm not, and then I'm off 169 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: the end and I have to find and I don't 170 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: know if you have to do this at times. Well, 171 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: I have to find my healthy addictions. And I don't 172 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: know if if that's a safe thing to say, sure, 173 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: but I need to be addicted to something, so I 174 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: have to find the healthiest thing for me to addicted to, 175 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: because my natural gravity is to go to something and 176 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: and and invest myself all the way in at so 177 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: much so that it is unhealthy. So I got up 178 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: on the healthiest version of that because it's just in 179 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: me intrinsically, like I I yes, I am so disciplined 180 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: to a fault, so because I know I had one 181 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: instance where I really felt it and I do want 182 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: to get back to, you know, talking about your parents. 183 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: But I had one instance when now I was I 184 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: got jumped and got a gun to my head and 185 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of like trauma in that way 186 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: where I got a held at gunpoint, I had have 187 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: my house broken into. It was like a lot of 188 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: things happening when my career was just starting to take 189 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: off and I didn't take it seriously yet, and I 190 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: was having some some threats from the outside and I 191 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep, and so my doctor was like, hey, you 192 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: should if you can't sleep and you're sick, you should 193 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: take sleeping pills. Took them, had trouble with them, couldn't 194 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: get off of them, and I was like, oh my god. 195 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: Well are you taking them and staying up doing that 196 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: side of them? 197 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't remember. I don't right, I don't remember. 198 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: And so I would take these sleeping pills, and I 199 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: remember the day where I went, oh, I'm stuck. 200 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: I'm stuck. 201 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: And it was the only time because I remember my 202 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: mom being because you couldn't sleep without them, couldn't sleep, 203 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep without them, felt like they were tethered to me. 204 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Anywhere I went at any point, I had to have 205 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: them with me because if I needed a sleep, that 206 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: was the only way I could go. And I remember thinking, oh, 207 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm I can't. I can't beat this right now, like 208 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: this has got a hold of me. And it was 209 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: the only time that I ever related to my mom 210 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: because she had been in rehabit and now and I'd 211 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: always thought, why can't. 212 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 2: You just beat it? Yah? But I just mentioned of it, yeah, 213 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh God, this is it. Yeah. 214 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: And So because of that and how I grew up, 215 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: I am extremely disciplined. So did to answer your easy 216 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: question about life and music? You know, I do have 217 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: that discipline in me from I gotta. 218 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: Be or I'm going to go off. Yeah that makes 219 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: sense and not be completely Yeah. 220 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: So I was disciplined as a child. You were not disciplined, No, 221 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: I wasn't. 222 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: I think just being an artist comes with a sense 223 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: of being able to create, and so there's a sense 224 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 2: of just freedom and liberation. Also as the youngest, you know, 225 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: I had an older brother, and I think it's not 226 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: uncommon for the younger sibling to potentially be a little 227 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: more like, well, everyone else take care of everything. I'm fine, 228 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: I'm just floating along. 229 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: So older brother played music. How come you didn't get 230 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: stuck with the bass? 231 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't play. We started playing guitar at the 232 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: exact same time. I was six, he was eight, and 233 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: he started on a steel string acoustic and I started 234 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: on one with nylon strings, and he just couldn't hack 235 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: it and gave up pretty quick. And to your point 236 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: about my dad, I went into my dad one time 237 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: and said these strength these I hate playing guitar, and 238 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: my dad goes, all right, well, then don't do it, 239 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: and I was like, ah, that's not what I wanted. 240 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: I wanted him to tell me I have to do 241 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: it and get into a fight. So it was of 242 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: reverse psychology that worked really well. 243 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: What was the relationship like with your dad and you 244 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: as you became twelve, fourteen, sixteen years old? 245 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: My dad's alcoholic was he's not here anymore, but he 246 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: was alcoholic his whole life. I never just never dealt 247 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: with it, you know. So my brother and I classic 248 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: adult children of alcoholic raised and I got the same 249 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: genetic disposition as my dad, and my brother didn't have that. 250 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: Really it doesn't have it. No, it's wild because I 251 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: feel it. I have it right, and luckily I saw 252 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: it early. But it's crazy that you would have it 253 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: and your brother doesn't. Yeah, yeah, but then he has 254 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: no hair and I have hair, so it's a fair trade. 255 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Did you feel like as you tried to achieve musically 256 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: you were doing it for you or you were doing 257 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: it somewhat to create a bond to your dad that 258 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: maybe wasn't there because of other circumstances. 259 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Probably both, you know both. And you know, I think 260 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: in the song we have wild Heart, so you know 261 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: there's a song about it opens with Johnny Cash. You 262 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: know saw the Man in Black because when I was five, dad, 263 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: mom and Dad took us to see Johnny Cash, and 264 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: I remember so much about that concert. But the thing 265 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: I think that is subconsciously in me was I was 266 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: really taken by how my dad was staring at this 267 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: guy on stage and probably thinking how do I get 268 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: my dad to look at me like that, Right, isn't 269 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: that wild? Yeah? Yeah, so I don't I don't know 270 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: if I saw it. It's hard to know, Right, did 271 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: I recognize in that person on stage with a guitar? 272 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: Did I recognize something that I was going to do, 273 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: or something that I wanted to do, or something that 274 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: I should do? I don't know. It doesn't really matter 275 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 2: in the end. 276 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: When did it start to be And I'm not going 277 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: to say the word easy, I don't think that's fair 278 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: to you, But when did it start to be that 279 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: you had an understanding that you could actually create and 280 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: manipulate with that instrument? 281 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: Tuesday? This week? This week. Yeah, it's a great, mom, you've. 282 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: Been missing, You've been missing a lot. You've been doing 283 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: pretty good up until Tuesday. You had us all fulled. 284 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah it was it fourteen fifteen? Was it earlier than 285 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: that where you're like, Okay, I can actually do this 286 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: at a higher level than like my peers are doing this. 287 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: Uh. I don't know if I've ever felt that way really, No, No, 288 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: because you know, in Australia, Yeah, because I've always been 289 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: around people way better than me, always, and in Australia 290 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: there's like the local guy playing in the cover band, 291 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: because people go, who your influences? I'm like, ah, the 292 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: guy in the local cover band, Barry Clough, and then 293 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: Dallas Saltham and then Redge Grant and all these guys 294 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: playing in cover bands. I'm twelve years old, thirteen years 295 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: old watching them going, Oh, I wish you could play 296 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: that good, And then at some point you'd play that good, 297 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: and so you're already looking to the next guy. Oh, 298 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: I wish could play as good as him, and you 299 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: just your your influences, keep moving. 300 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: Who was it for you that was your favorite, your 301 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: first favorite artist where you really clicked and you're like, 302 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: that's my favorite, your own. 303 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: It's a good question, Gosh, I don't know for me. 304 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: I'll vamp of it as you think about it so 305 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: you can have a good answer for me. You know, 306 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: it was John Mayer whenever he was starting, because I 307 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: felt someone writing the things that I was thinking, and 308 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: I never had experienced that before. Wow, he's a couple 309 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: of years older than I am, but I was like, wow, 310 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: this guy one. I liked his tone, I liked his style, 311 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: but he was saying things. It was like a really 312 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: good comedian, you know, how you go oh. I always 313 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: thought that I just didn't know how to say it 314 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: like that. It was the first time I'd ever heard 315 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: that in song, and I thought, wow, he's kind of 316 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: speaking for me musically. Is the first time that it 317 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: ever happened. So he became my first ever like, that's 318 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: my favorite artist. There have been others that that since 319 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: have done that. I'm a big Counting Crows guy to 320 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, but John Mayer was it for me. Now 321 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: that I've given you a little time, who do you 322 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: think it is for? 323 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: Well, what actually think about is Joe Mellencamp is the 324 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: guy that's coming to mind. The reason is I grew 325 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: up playing with list country music right, going to at 326 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: least talent quests in different competitions playing country music. But 327 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: then I got to be twelve, thirteen, fourteen. I left 328 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: school at fifteen. I was playing in a cover band 329 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: at fifteen, so we just do on top forty and 330 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: I'm playing in all the pubs in Australia, and the 331 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: pubs are rough places, you know, just concrete floor, hose 332 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: it out at the end of the night, rough crowd, 333 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: no holes barred. If you suck, they will let you 334 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: know you suck, and I grew up playing in that 335 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: very rock environment, and so I loved country, I loved rock, 336 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: I loved Top forty. I'm like, what the hell do 337 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: I do? Who am I? Musically? And then John put 338 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: out Lonesome Jubilee, which was an album that had songs 339 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: like paper and fire check it out, cherry Bomb, Yaaa YadA, 340 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: and it was rock, but it had like fiddle and 341 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: it had accordion and everything. So we went to see 342 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: him in concert. On that tour, I was playing in 343 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: a cover band. The band got tickets. We went to 344 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: see him, and we're way up in the nosebleeds in 345 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: this arena. The band comes out and they play and 346 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: it was so insanely great and it was rock, country, something, 347 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: whatever the hell was going on. It was literally an 348 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: epiphany and I saw what Joel was doing and I went, Oh, 349 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: that's the answer. You don't think about labels. Just take 350 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: all the things you love, figure out how to put 351 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: them together and make it be like this. And I 352 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: was very lucky to meet John many many years later 353 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: and tell him that story, and he said, it's so 354 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: great that that's what you took away from that concert, 355 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: because most people leave the concert and go I'm going 356 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: to do that. I'm going to have fiddle in my bed, 357 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: you know, and just rip off Joe Mellencamp. But what 358 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: I took from it was just do your own thing. 359 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: Take all the things you love and the original John Mellencamp, 360 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: obviously a Middle America guy who had country and rock 361 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: roots at the same time, incorporated them all. 362 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: How do you see that affecting your show that you do? Now? 363 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: What are the surroundings that you've taken from your life 364 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: because you have a different kind of show? 365 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, of really anyone? 366 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean then I say that in the most compliment 367 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: and way, and I've told you this off a microphone too, 368 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: Like you do the best live show I've ever seen. 369 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: You need to get out more, Bubby. I've seen a 370 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: lot of live shows. I'm jaded at this point too. 371 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: I'm extremely jaded. That's a higher compliment than it is. 372 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. 373 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: I've seen it all and I don't care to see 374 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: anymore because it's just part of the life we live 375 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: right until. But when your move, your move so hard, 376 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: when you're jaded, and to watch you perform, I leave 377 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, god, dang, I just I thought I'd 378 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: seen it all. So because of that, you're it is 379 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: so so what do you take? What are your influences 380 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: that have created what is your project? In the same 381 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: way that he had taken fiddle and he had taken 382 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, a different kind of percussion. 383 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the different self is for me as I 384 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 2: play guitar. So that becomes a strong point of the 385 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: of what I do. I love guitar riffs. I love 386 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: catchy songs, you know, unapologetically energy too, and energy yeah, 387 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: and fiercely in the moment presence, absolutely and really giving 388 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: a shit, like really really like this is the last 389 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: gig I'll ever play. Every gig is the last gig 390 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: you'll ever play. 391 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: That's what I think I want to talk about your 392 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: shows is not only is it musically wonderful and sonically 393 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: just the greatest, but there's so much energy there that 394 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: doesn't feel forced energy. 395 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: It feels like pure energy. And there's a difference. 396 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: Sometimes you go out and you really do I'm like, 397 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna really work for this show, but it doesn't 398 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: feel like work. It feels like that's who you are 399 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: as an artist, Like that's the most genuine version of you. 400 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: And again, if you if you haven't seen Keith's show, 401 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: And honestly, this wasn't leading up to the promo of 402 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: your tour yet your tickets are on until today, which 403 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: works in great into this, and it's the it's the 404 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: greatest live show I think I've seen because and I 405 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: don't know why you keep going into the audience. 406 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: You may not not do that with COVID. 407 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: Now I've just seen you do it so many times. 408 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: Like stop, like I'm. 409 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: Worried for your own hell yeah, like people we were 410 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: talking to Jerry Flower, Yeah, Jerry Clower. Jerry Clower is 411 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: one of my favorites too, by the way. 412 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: You me Jerry Klowers only one time, and he is 413 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: just a pistol. 414 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So the other Jerry who you were in 415 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: the ranch with, and who is your musical leader, band director, 416 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: I don't. 417 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, bass player yep. 418 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: He said that you guys were doing a private function 419 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: and you ran into the crowd and they were so 420 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: high they started biting you. Oh yeah, I like wait what, 421 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: Like I knew that was gonna happen, but it's already happened. 422 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Like they pulled your shirt off and they were biting you. Yeah, 423 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: and you kind of give off. 424 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: That or like you accept that, so we try and 425 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: feed people before this show. Now they're very passionate. That 426 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: is very passionate. Let me say this. 427 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: The new American tour, the Speed of Now World Tour 428 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two fifty three shows between June seventeenth and 429 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: November fifth of twenty twenty two. There is a full 430 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: list of dates and tickets right now at keith Urban 431 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: dot com. Let's go back whenever you're playing in these 432 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: cover bands, what was the ceiling for you as far 433 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: as for your career when you're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old? 434 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: What's the ceiling in your mind? Yeah? How far you 435 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: can get in your career. I never thought of it. 436 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so weird. I was never one 437 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: of these kids with a plan at all, none, just 438 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: try and get better. I was playing in this cover 439 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: band that I talked about in nineteen eighty eight when 440 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: so Melin caamp. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I wasn't the 441 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: lead singer. I was guitar playing and we'll play. It 442 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: was for a cover band. We were doing a couple 443 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: of thousand people on a Sunday afternoon, which was a 444 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 2: lot of people to come and see this cover band, 445 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: but it was a really good band. 446 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: What was your role in the cover band guitar and 447 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: lead singer. 448 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: Well, we had a lead singer that wasn't you. It 449 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: wasn't me. And the only reason I joined this band 450 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: was I had a manager who was also managing this band. 451 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: It's a long story, but I had been in I'd 452 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: done duo's, I'd done bands. I'd always had my own thing, right. 453 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: It was always me was whatever. I was always doing 454 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: my thing. My manager thought, I really need some frontman experience, 455 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: how to handle a crowd, how to put a set 456 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: list together, how to put on a show, how to 457 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: just lead. And so he said, I've got this band. 458 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: I think you should join the band and watch this 459 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: front man because he's amazing and you'll learn so much. 460 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: So I was with that band for about a year 461 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: and he was right. I learned so much from that 462 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: lead singer. But but one of the things was I 463 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: wanted to do some original songs. We're doing all these covers, 464 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: and so I started writing a song and he loved it, 465 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: and the band learned it, and he was going to 466 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: even sing it and it would be on the set list. 467 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: And I'd be looking at the guys in the band, 468 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, here comes that song, get comes a song, 469 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: We're going to get to do a song, and he 470 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: would bail on it every time. He'd be like, nah, 471 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: I skip that one. Let's do money money, And I'm 472 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: like And after a while of that, I just went 473 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 2: I'm not this is going nowhere. What are you going 474 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: to do with covers? I want to want to play 475 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: original music. So I left the band and the drummer 476 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: and bass player quit at the same time and came 477 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: and joined me. 478 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: And so then what do you do? Is it a 479 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: new name band? Is it? 480 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: Are you? It was just me, it was just solo. 481 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: But then of course I couldn't get any work playing 482 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: original songs, and so we resorted to be in another 483 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: cover band, but slipping in my own songs in between 484 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: the covers at least. Yeah. 485 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: And so as you're doing your own music, are you 486 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: in Australia at this point? 487 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's all in Australia. Was the plan to 488 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: get to the States at some point? Yeah, But I 489 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: didn't know how when nothing knew nothing about that? Then 490 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: how did you? So in nineteen eighty nine, my manager 491 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: got some tickets for us to come over to America, 492 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: and we came to Nashville and slayed down at the Showonies, 493 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: which was on Demonbrion, and pitched my crappy demo to 494 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: all the labels, met with complete silence. Is it now? 495 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: It was met with complete silence because it's your big, 496 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: famous and successful or was it really met with complete silence? 497 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: Oh? No, it was terrible. First of all, was a 498 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: terrible demo, which, of course, when you come from if 499 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: you're not from here, you think it's pretty pretty good 500 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: because it's pretty good from where you come from, but 501 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: it's pretty crap when you get here compared to everything else. 502 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: And I was just out of out of step, out 503 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: of place, out of step. My music didn't fit at all. 504 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: So what made you think that you could stay and thrive? 505 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: Because Nashville is like sixteenth and seventeenth have And I 506 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: got here and I went, this is it? Is this it? 507 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: This is the legendary iconic music row like that's it. 508 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, this is this is fantastic. It's not 509 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: New York City. It's like this is I'm at home. 510 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: I love it here, It's great, And I didn't want 511 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: to leave and I also foolishly thought we'll get I'll 512 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 2: get here and I'll start writing songs and I'll record 513 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: and boom, we'll be off and running in no time. 514 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: And man, the years just went by and by, and 515 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: what were you doing? Could you make money though? 516 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: At the time, Like if you're coming from Australia and 517 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: you're just visiting, were you able to make money? 518 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: So I signed a publishing deal with a company in 519 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: Australia that had an office in Nashville. It's very small, 520 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: little wage to where it's not even a wage. What 521 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: is it like money that you're going to have to 522 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: pay them back? Right? So I'd come over for a 523 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: couple of weeks on my own, stay with crashes somebody 524 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: at their house, go and write songs every day with 525 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: whoever they put me with. You know that thing that 526 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: we do here in Nashville professional songwriters. Whenever the new 527 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: kid in town is, they throw them in with the 528 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: pro songwriters and see if something happens. 529 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Was that weird for you, by the way, because that 530 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: was the culture and you'd been writing probably by yourself. 531 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it was really difficult. I also was nowhere, 532 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: you're good enough yet? And so I'm getting with really 533 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 2: great pro writers, and I just I sucked. I just 534 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: had so much to learn that was excruciating. 535 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: And are you learning or are you overwhelmed? 536 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: I think? And also frustrated the way in which I 537 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: would write with my drum machine and my bass or 538 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: a banjo or something, and always with a groove. Always. 539 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: I would never sit with a guitar and a legal 540 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: pad in a windowless room. So were you early track guy? Yeah? Definitely, 541 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: because I like I like them well because I write 542 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: from the music out. The music is trying to tell 543 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: a story, and then I extrapolate the story from the music. 544 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: Will you write songs with melody first? 545 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: Uh? 546 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: Just straight melody? Will you write a melody? 547 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: Do do? And that's what you have? Then you create 548 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: around the melody? Yeah? Are you more prone to do 549 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: that when writing? 550 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: If you're starting from scratch or an idea, a lyric 551 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: like where do you like to start? 552 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: If you get to choose, If I get to choose, 553 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 2: I like a groove. A beat doesn't have to be fast, 554 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: just any kind of beat that I can then play 555 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: along with, whether it's bass, guitar, guitar, piano, something, banjo, 556 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: whatever the matter. Just something that you pick up and 557 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: just respond to, and then a melody comes, a melody 558 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: comes of some sort, and then you I think the 559 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 2: music has an emotion about it. It's trying to say 560 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: something I make somebody like you. You know. That song 561 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: started from flying out to La eating this guy John Shanks. 562 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was so nervous to meet with 563 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: some l a guy, you know, and I'm like, what 564 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: do I know. I've showed up with my banjo and everything. 565 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: And before I went to the session, I went to 566 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: this Irish pub and I had a pint of guinness 567 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: and it was like ten in the morning and it 568 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: was really good. So I had another one and that 569 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: was a really good So I had like a third one. 570 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: I get in my car, drive over to the studio 571 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: where he is and by and by then I walked 572 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: in and I felt pretty pretty just not bulletproof, but 573 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: I felt very relaxed, very confident, you know. And he 574 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: had this little drum machine and it was going, that's 575 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: all it was doing. And I pulled my banjo out 576 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 2: of the case and go, no idea, why just it 577 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: just came out and We're like, oh, it feels good. 578 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: What do we do with that. You know, it's in 579 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: the sundown, and so does and got a f some 580 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: words and that's that's it. And then you just the 581 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: rest comes. 582 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: You're creating that vocal melody to without putting the words 583 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, so blah blah blah. So that that that, 584 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: and then you'll go would you record that? 585 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? Go back over and go, okay, you know what's 586 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: down here? Yeah? Well a lot of times the gibberish 587 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: is actually trying to say something like you listen to 588 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: the tape, which we had a tape then, and it 589 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: would be and you're like, oh, there's a there was 590 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 2: that a new win something right there now never never known. 591 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: Sounds like it's like screw, it's all in there. I 592 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: think Mick Jagger calls it making vowel movements. Great. 593 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: So as you're here and you're learning to write, when 594 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: does the ranch start to be a thing? 595 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: Uh? Well, this three piece band that I mentioned, I 596 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 2: had drummer and bass player that I took from this 597 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: cover band. I thought, well, let's let's head out in 598 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: Nashville and do some shows. You know, all I can 599 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: bring is base playing drums. I got no money. I 600 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: can't afford anything. By Right around that time, I actually 601 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 2: had built out a five piece band. I signed a 602 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: record deal in Australia, did an album, put two more 603 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: guys in my band keyboarding guitar, so I had drums 604 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: based keyboard, guitar and me and we were touring around 605 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: playing these songs off my album. So it was starting 606 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: to happen in Australia. It was popping, had a song 607 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: on the radio and it was like here we go. 608 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: It's great, you know, But all I wanted to do 609 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: is come to Nashville. I couldn't bring the whole band, 610 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: so I could bring bass and drums at least I 611 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: could bring and make a sound out of it. My 612 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: bassband drummer were the two guys that didn't sing, so 613 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: I had no harmony, no nothing. So my bass player 614 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: went back to Australia and I found a singing bass 615 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: player from Florida and we played for a year or so, 616 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: and then he went back to Florida and we found 617 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: Jerry who came in and took over. So we were 618 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: three piece. Because of no money. It was not my preference. 619 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: It just couldn't afford anymore players, and that eventually became 620 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: the ranch. 621 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: What's interesting about that is we were playing back to 622 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: the Ranch stuff with Jerry and it feels like it 623 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: was just ahead of a time like that, that music, 624 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: and we were listening to some demos and some old 625 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: some old you know Ranch cuts. Right, it feels like 626 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: seven years later, right, that probably hits. 627 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 628 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was a bit advanced musically 629 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: and that's why it didn't work at the time. 630 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: It certainly didn't sound like anything on radio. And that's 631 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: always the thing, you know, with the record we made 632 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven just didn't sound like anything on 633 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: the radio. Well, it was hell making that record because 634 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: we were signed to Warner Brothers in nineteen ninety five 635 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: and we went in with every quarter pointed producer in town. 636 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: Every one of those situations didn't work because what happens 637 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: is we would either sound like us, which didn't sound 638 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: like the radio, or we would sound like something that 639 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: could go on the radio. It didn't sound like us, 640 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: and we were just in hell and just no matter 641 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: what we did, we just couldn't make it, couldn't make 642 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: it work. 643 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: Was there someone that was betting on you? 644 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: Though? 645 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: As Keith Urban like, Okay, the Ranch didn't work, but 646 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: we still have faith in you. And so many times 647 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: in this town, once you don't make it, people are like, well, 648 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: you're just not gonna make it. 649 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: I see it all the time, like, wow, you. 650 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: Didn't make it, probably not for you. 651 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 652 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: Was there anyone that was like, hey, I. 653 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: Know that didn't work and maybe it was just you, right? 654 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: Was there anyone that was like, hey, you have that star, like, 655 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: let's keep going and try to figure out who Keith 656 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: Urban is instead of this three piece? 657 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: I think that was me. I mean I just had 658 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: that burning belief. I know why is because I was 659 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: I'd grown up on all this music. I knew how 660 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: to make the music, but I didn't know how to 661 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: make it with this band. This band had a unique 662 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: sound about it, and the band was I wasn't trying 663 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: to get the band signed, you know, the band wasn't 664 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: in the plan originally. It morphed into that. So it 665 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: was originally you. It was me. It was me and 666 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: my base playing drummer. We didn't have a name. It 667 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: was just my name. But we got messed around with 668 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: so much by the Wreck Company, and the tipping point 669 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: was over at that label, at Warner Brothers. At the time. 670 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: They just signed me, not the other two guys. And 671 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: we made the record and they said, oh, we're going 672 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: to send you guys out, maybe to play some of 673 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: these songs, but actually not sending you guys out. We're 674 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: just going to put a house band together and I'm 675 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: going to send out you Keith, and about four other 676 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: artists on our label, and you guys will all share 677 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: the same band. And I went, no, I won't. Like, 678 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: what do you mean. I go, I'm not not playing 679 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: with just I got a band, right, take my band 680 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: with me. And they're like, yeah, but we didn't sign 681 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: your band, and I go, no, I know, but I 682 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: mean they're my band. It doesn't make sense when I 683 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: play with someone else. And when we got dropped from 684 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: that label and went over to Capitol, I said, you 685 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: have to sign everybody, and I'm going to get rid 686 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: of my name too. The hell with it getting rid 687 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: of my name. We're doing it, you know. And I 688 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: had so many people around me saying, don't do that, 689 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: don't don't drop your name and just lose yourself in 690 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: the band. But that's what I did when you became 691 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: Keith Urber. 692 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: I want to roll through some number ones here two 693 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: thousand and one, your first number one. But for the 694 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: grace of God, let's hear a little bit of this 695 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: after the years of struggle on a label to have 696 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: a hit, did it feel like a relief or did 697 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: it feel like this is amazing, because there's a difference. 698 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 2: Was that like, oh my god, thank you? It was 699 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: it like whoa, That's what I'm talking about? Yeah, only above. 700 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: It was surreal to have a number one song in 701 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: America was just crazy. I remember that day like it 702 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: was yesterday. Really, oh my. 703 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: God, twenty years ago, you still remember it like that 704 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: you first, Wanly? 705 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember exactly the house I was at, 706 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: what I was doing, Who told me everything? Like detail 707 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: because it was too surreal. I was like number one, 708 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: like the number one most played song in country radio 709 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: in America. Truly? 710 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: Really did your life change after that? After you had 711 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: a number one? Since you could say it, I. 712 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: Felt like, Okay, now we got a chance to get 713 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: some more music going. And the next single after that 714 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: I think was Where the Blacktop Ends, which is weird 715 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: because it peaked it I was looking at numbers. 716 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't a number one, no, but that to me 717 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: is one of the songs I think of when I 718 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: think of you, and your catalog is where the Blacktop ends. 719 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: Wasn't even number one, No, which shows you not all 720 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: number ones or career songs, and not all career songs 721 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: are number one song. So true, even in two thousand 722 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: and one, two thousand and two, did that song feel 723 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: big like a number one song? Where the Blacktop ends? 724 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember that, No One, You can't remember now. 725 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: I can't remember that. 726 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember making that a whole album with 727 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: Matt Rawlings, and it was the first time where I 728 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: was in a studio and having gone through all of 729 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 2: the famous producers and realizing none of it works for me. 730 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: It just I don't know what I'm gonna do. It 731 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: was a guy running Capitol Records at the time called 732 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: pak Quick, and he was the president. And I used 733 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: every proper famous producer and none of it was working. 734 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: And I went into to Pat and I said, can 735 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 2: I just I had just done a session with Matt 736 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: Rowlings for somebody else. The two of us were playing 737 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: on it and I clicked with him and I really 738 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: liked him a lot, and I said, could I just 739 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 2: go and record some songs with this guy? Because I 740 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: think he can put a good band together and we 741 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: can just make a record that sounds good. And he went, yeah, whatever. 742 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: Just it was very much that case of like, go 743 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 2: do whatever you want to do. We're not that interesting. 744 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: You could tell whatever it's going. So we went and 745 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: cut up for Grace God and like four or five songs, 746 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: and I took him in and played for him and 747 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: he goes, that sounds good to finish the record out. 748 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: It was no big deal. And we handed in the 749 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 2: record and it had It's a Love Thing and want 750 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: to Be or everything all the singles that came out, 751 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: Grace God, Blacktop, all that stuff, and they put out 752 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: Love It's a Love Thing. I think I went to 753 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: number eighteen or something like. It's okay, pretty good. They 754 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: put out another song, I want to Be Everything, and 755 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: I think got to top five or close to it, 756 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: and it wasn't it was okay. Everything was okay. And 757 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: then the label really focused on me and they put 758 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: out Grace of God and it did that and I 759 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 2: could feel everything change after that. 760 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: Whenever somebody like you comes out two thousand and two, 761 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: here's a little clip, Yeah, do you remember this one? 762 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: Is Vivid? Your second number one. Yeah, you do, okay, 763 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: everything about it. Recording it first time, I'd work with 764 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: Dan Huff working out at sound Kitchen at Franklin and 765 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: the putting, the putting the band together and the set, 766 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: the whole session. I remember it's so vividly because it 767 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: got magical. Does a guy like Dan Huff challenge you? So? 768 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: Uh. 769 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: I was going to do the next record on my 770 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: own Golden Road, and I had already done six six 771 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: sides of that record, including who wanted me. I put 772 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: the band together, I check as the studio, I chose 773 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: the engineer, I put it all together. And then someone said, 774 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 2: you know, you should try and work with Dan Huff 775 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 2: and I went, no, I don't want to work with 776 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: him because and they went, well, he's a guitar player. 777 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so not going to work with the 778 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: guitar player who's gonna tell me what to play, you know. 779 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: I don't want that. I've been down this road before. 780 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: And they're like, well, just give it a shot, you know. 781 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 2: And I met with Dan, and this is a true story, 782 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: and there was really a compliment to Dan. I met 783 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 2: with Dan. I said, Okay, I've got this one song. 784 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 2: It's called somebody like you. That'd be a good one 785 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: for us to start on. And I'd already been in 786 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 2: the studio for two weeks with this band. We'd cut 787 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: half the record, it was already done, and Dan says, Okay, 788 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 2: this song feels great. I think we should use this drummer. 789 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: And I got, already got the drummer. Well, I think 790 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: we should use this base. But I go, I got 791 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 2: the whole band, Dan, I got the whole band. All right, Well, 792 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: I like to work at this studio, I said, I'm 793 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: already at the studio. We're going to be at sound kitchen. Okay, 794 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 2: Well the engineer I like to use, He went, I 795 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: already got the engineer. His name is justin Eebank goes, 796 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 2: What do I do? When I go, you just show up. 797 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: That's all you're going to do is show up, because 798 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: I want to see what you do. I'm sick of 799 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 2: these producers that say they're a producer, but really they 800 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 2: have great engineer, great players, they don't do anything. I 801 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 2: saw it again and again and again. I'm like, just 802 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 2: show up. What the hell can you possibly bring to 803 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 2: this session? I want to see? And he walked into 804 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: that session. I'd been with this band for two weeks. 805 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 2: He walks in and I literally could feel all the 806 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: musicianship go up a whole other level just with him 807 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: being in the room. He sat in the room, the 808 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 2: band's playing a bit of Somebody Like You, and he goes, hey, Chris, 809 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: just change that snare a little bit there. Okay, yep, 810 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 2: leave that bass part out right there, and you play 811 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: that bit over there. And I watched him arrange this 812 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 2: thing and the whole track is elevated, and I'm like, well, damn, 813 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 2: this guy's the real deal. He's so good. 814 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: When did the town start to treat you differently? Tuesday? 815 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: I was already getting support from the town very early on. 816 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: I think because of all those writing sessions, you know, 817 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: and when you write with people where it gets out 818 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: whether you can really sing, really play, whether you know 819 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: about country music if you're legit or just some poser 820 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: really so, I think those sort of guitar pool sessions 821 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: of people's houses going to. 822 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 2: The Bluebird, people knew I was. I was, for real. 823 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: I was watching some of your performance with her. I 824 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: guess all of it before Tina Turner for the Rock 825 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame. Oh well, how do you do? 826 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: How did you get called in to do that? 827 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of that? 828 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: You haven't No, what do you mean you haven't seen it? 829 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: You don't watch it? Do you watch your stuff? No? 830 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 2: Well I haven't seen that. No. 831 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: Generally, will you go and watch your stuff? 832 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: It depends. 833 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: Are you one of the guys that after a live 834 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: show you want to go on critique it. 835 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 2: I probably should do it more than I do. Yeah, yeah, 836 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: it's always better when I get in there and care. 837 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: How does a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame invite 838 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: came for Tina Turner? 839 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 2: Uh? Because Brian Adams couldn't make it, And they just 840 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 2: caught me up and they go, would you come and 841 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 2: fill in for Brian's day before the Yeah? Yeah it was. 842 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: It was Thursday and Nick and I were going to 843 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 2: the Bahamas and my manager calls me and he goes, hey, 844 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 2: can you come fill in for Brian? And I'm like, 845 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: you were going to the Bahamas on Friday. He's like, 846 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 2: you didn't hear what I said. I was like, no, 847 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 2: I heard you. We're heading off to the Bahamas and 848 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: Nix in the car and Nick's like, oh, I think 849 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: we should do that. That sounds fun. But in my 850 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: think in my head, I'm like, this sounds overwhelming. I've 851 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: got to learn a song in record time, a song 852 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: I've never played. It's not really my kind of song. 853 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 2: It's not my vocal range, it's not in my key. 854 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm se in over my head. You know, I was terrified. 855 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 2: You still get terrified, yeah, wild deer, Yeah you well. 856 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: Did anything musically would intimidate you. 857 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, to be thrown into something that's not really my zone, 858 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 2: especially in that place. I'm like maybe standing up on 859 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: stage in front of McCartney and the food Fighters and 860 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 2: they're all, you know, I pictured them all like arms 861 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: cross like okay, what do you do? What's your thing? 862 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, it's not this. This, this is 863 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: not it. That's all I could picture in my head. 864 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: When it comes to collaborations as far as your career 865 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: is concerned, what do you look back at and go, Man, 866 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: that one right there, we nailed it. 867 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 2: You and who collaboration mine? Yeah, you and who? So many? 868 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: I mean John doing Crossroads with John Mayer to this day. 869 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 2: I just loved that whole experience with him playing. I 870 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 2: learned a lot from him. Really, you learned from him? 871 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: Hell yeah? Yeah? 872 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you learn from John Mayor to make 873 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: the song your own? 874 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: You know, you got to remember I still came from 875 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 2: cover band land, which John did not, And so John 876 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 2: approaches it as a pure artist and makes a song 877 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 2: his own because I remember saying to him the rest 878 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 2: didn't go like that, and he's like, yeah, but that's 879 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: how I'm going to saying it right on, of course. 880 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a gamesmanship when you have two people 881 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 1: that are so again, I'll just talk about the instrument 882 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: for a second. So to two people that are so 883 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: proficient at their instrument, are you guys do you feel 884 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: each other out at first? 885 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 2: Are you like, is he really as good as I've heard? 886 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: Or is it you know, because you've you've heard for yourself, 887 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: like on a record or on YouTube. And not John specifically, 888 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: but anyone, you know when you kind of cross paths. 889 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 2: Because I had a room for Squares and we played 890 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 2: that record to death on that two of us. So 891 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 2: I was a fan right from the beginning. I love 892 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 2: the conversation, the musical conversation that happens, and the most 893 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 2: important thing for me is spontaneity. It's just you know, 894 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 2: you can rehearse, yeah, yeah, yeah, But being in the 895 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 2: moment and having that musical conversation with each other is everything. 896 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: You ever meet someone and you're like, man, it's gonna 897 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: be awesome, and then you're like, that's not really what 898 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: not really as good as that's hot or as you know, 899 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't want you to say. 900 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 2: Some people don't have a collaborative heart. That's what it is. 901 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 2: They don't have a collaborative heart. For whatever reason, they 902 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 2: just don't collaborate. They kind of they have that thing 903 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 2: of well, this is what I do, so you do 904 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 2: your thing, I'll do my thing, and I'm like, well, 905 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 2: let's do how thing. That's what I'm here for. 906 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: On the opposite side of that, whoever you collaborated with it, 907 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: you were like, oh, I didn't expect it to be 908 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: as warm and as a just a friendly collaboration, but 909 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: holy crap, we're in it and it's rocking. 910 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 2: Pink. I think was that when we did one too many? 911 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 2: Why do you think you guys hit it off? I 912 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 2: think our voices go together really well, and I hope 913 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: they would, but you never know until you hear it. 914 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 2: But she was just unbelievably giving with that whole project, 915 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, for a song that she didn't write to 916 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 2: be giving so much of her time and her effort 917 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 2: for the two. You know, we shot a video as well, 918 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 2: and then we shot footage which we can use in concerts, 919 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 2: so we have her projected on the screen and concert. 920 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 2: That's all time consuming, and she was just amazing. Is 921 00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: it an. 922 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: Issue whenever you're with an artist like that, because they 923 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: also have their own music and their own singles and calendars, 924 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: and when they want to put out their own to 925 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: get Pink on a song, do you go, okay, Well, 926 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: maybe we can release it as a single, maybe not, 927 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: depending on what your schedule is, right, I mean, is 928 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: that something? Is that an issue that you deal with 929 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: other artists. 930 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 2: It's something you have to consider, Yeah, for sure, because 931 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 2: sometimes it's just the time he's not going to work. 932 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's great, this single sounds really great, 933 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 2: but we're not going to release it at the right time. 934 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: I was reading on the internet that you bowl. Are 935 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: you some of the stuff I didn't know and could 936 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 1: be crap. 937 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: Are you a bowler? Yeah? Are you a good bowler? 938 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 2: I'm okay, how do I not know that? We've never 939 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 2: talked about it exactly bowling? True, but where Where do you? 940 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 2: Where do you bowl? I haven't bowled in a long time. 941 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 2: It's just one of those things that I happen to 942 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 2: be not bad at, sort of out of the gate. 943 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 2: It's that I hand coordination that guitar players have. You know, 944 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 2: your highest game is what you call it game? Yeah? No, 945 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, you know, to have an average 946 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 2: dred and something. Really Yeah, it's no grabbing at three 947 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 2: hundreds of perfect game? Right you done that? Definitely could 948 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 2: crack No, but definitely could crack two hundred. Do you 949 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 2: play pool? Yeah, you go to that. I think that's 950 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 2: mandatory when you're from Australia you go to play pool. 951 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 2: Is that a thing? Yeah, very much like all the pubs. Yeah, 952 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 2: they all had pool tables. Yeah. 953 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: Great sign of a misspent youth. Well think about that. 954 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: Though you're you're good at bowling, you're good at pool. 955 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, is that you're obviously good at guitar? Which 956 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: one made you good at which because you do have 957 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: the hand eye coordination there. 958 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 2: It's right, it's not a coincidence. All those are. 959 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: Very hand eye coordinated. Do you think being a good 960 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: guitar player helps you be a good bowler? 961 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 2: I suck at base at basketball. I cannot get that 962 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 2: thing in the hoop. So they guess that. 963 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: Theory you true or false? You were once the road 964 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 1: guitars for a bit for Brooks and Dune. No, never 965 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: one of the many things on Wikipedia. 966 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:56,959 Speaker 2: It's not true. 967 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,439 Speaker 1: I didn't think the bowling was true. I'll be honest 968 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: with you. Go to be false, okay, Yeah, So where 969 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: did that story come from? 970 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 2: Do you know? Yeah? We toured with Brooks and Dunn 971 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one and I came out and 972 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 2: played one song with them as a guitarist, and I 973 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 2: think that then from then on people were a backup. Yeah. 974 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 2: I was like the guy in the band, Well, what 975 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 2: happened was we were going to pull a prank on them, 976 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 2: and they had a guitar player in the band, Charlie. 977 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 2: I've got his last name, Charlie. And he had his 978 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 2: hat down. Really he had wore a hat, wore down 979 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 2: super low, had this like leopard print shirt and everything. 980 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 2: And during the tour I was thinking I could probably masqueraders. 981 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 2: I could probably pretend to be him and the boys 982 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't even know. And so during one of the shows, 983 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 2: Charlie slipped out the back while he was playing, I 984 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 2: already had the same clothes on, slipped right out and 985 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 2: reclaimed his spot on the stage and played an entire song, 986 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 2: and then in the middle of the when the solo 987 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 2: happened Kicks, He goes, Charlie and I ran down the 988 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 2: front and was reading right in between kicks and running, 989 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 2: and it took a bait for them to realize I. 990 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: Wasn't, but they did realize that eventually, So I think 991 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,280 Speaker 1: that was where this room got started. 992 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 2: What's like a Tuesday at your house? Like? 993 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: And I asked that because you and your wife exclusively 994 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: are superstars. 995 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 2: When you're together, I feel like you're kind of normal. 996 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: Rights it's a weird situation, Like when I see you two, 997 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: if we're an event or something, I. 998 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 2: Feel like as a couple you're quite approachable. 999 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: Individually, it's different because I feel like I know you 1000 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: and I could just come up to you. But individually, 1001 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: I would say you're superstar Keith Urban and she is 1002 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: superstar Nicole Kidman. But together it's almost like a normal 1003 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: husband and wife. And I've not seen that vibe with 1004 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: any other couple. Usually it's different. It's like they're much more, 1005 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: they're much less approachable together because there's so much more 1006 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: power there. But it feels like you're a normal, normal 1007 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: married couple at home. Is that true? 1008 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be doing our house. It's like super and normal. 1009 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: I saw her tell you once that she was gonna 1010 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: stop and get some milk, right, And I was like, 1011 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,240 Speaker 1: you do that? What do you mean you're gonna get milk? 1012 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: Should someone be flying that in and like. 1013 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 2: Flying the cow in the rock and roll? 1014 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: And how how how do you guys maintain what do 1015 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: you focus on to try to have normalcy in a 1016 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: life that is abnormal? 1017 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 2: I mean, look love, genuine love and genuine gratitude for 1018 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 2: what we get to do. Nick has it. I have it, 1019 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 2: and I think it's we were both raised in a 1020 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 2: similar thing to Australia's. Really Australia has a thing called 1021 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 2: a tall poppy syndrome. Every ass he knows about this, 1022 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 2: and it's if you get too big in the in 1023 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 2: the South, they say when you get above your raisin, right, 1024 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,879 Speaker 2: they cut you down. You get cut down. 1025 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: The poppy seed plan is another one. The tall poppy 1026 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: gets cut you go. 1027 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 2: So that's it. So it's the uh, it's the tall 1028 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 2: poppy syndrome where you don't last very long. If you're 1029 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 2: strutting around with this crazy ego in Australia, you could 1030 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 2: cut down so fast, so you just are always down 1031 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 2: to earth. You read it down to earth, you're out 1032 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,399 Speaker 2: of work. It's one of the two, and it's it's 1033 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 2: put us in a really good place to have a 1034 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 2: good life because of it. 1035 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 1: What are you grateful for with her as a person? 1036 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: How does she make you better? And I asked this 1037 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: from a personal personal place because I've never been married. 1038 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: I've never even told anyone right like, I never there 1039 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: was no I didn't know how to love until now. No, 1040 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: because I think you know when you talk about the 1041 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: trauma from your I struggle with a lot of that 1042 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: trauma until now and still am. But have found someone. 1043 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: But what is it about her as a human that 1044 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: you appreciate so much that brings a different side of 1045 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,720 Speaker 1: you out that hadn't been exposed yet? 1046 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 2: She really loves, genuinely loves and has real empathy, compassion, 1047 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,280 Speaker 2: caring and love like I've never never experienced before. 1048 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: Do you ever watch her acting go holy crap, that's 1049 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 1: so good or do you see it all the time 1050 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: where you just expect it to be great. 1051 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 2: No, I'm she's. 1052 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 1: So she's so good and I don't know anything about acting. 1053 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes people say soone's as a bad actor. I'm like, 1054 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: all looks the same to me. However, I was watching 1055 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: on Hulu Nine Strangers. 1056 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 2: That's the whole thing. 1057 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: She's so good in that that you then go, Okay, 1058 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: that's good acting, Like, and she is nailing these serieses. 1059 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 2: If she's in a series, I'll watch it. 1060 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,919 Speaker 1: It's just to that point now where if your wife 1061 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: is in a series, even if I don't know what 1062 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: it's about, the history of poop, I'm going toward. I'm 1063 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: going to watch it because she has showed that she's 1064 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: awesome in these things. 1065 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 2: Do you do you talk about projects with her? 1066 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: Does she talk about projects with you and you call 1067 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: them together and like should we do this? 1068 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we have to talk about scheduling and where 1069 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 2: it is and how is this going to work? And 1070 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 2: then of course a lot of the times reading scripts 1071 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 2: with her, you know, this is the being the Ricatos, 1072 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 2: which is the lascilable film that's coming out. Aaron Sorkin 1073 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 2: wrote most amazing scripts, and just getting to read these 1074 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 2: scripts is something that is god it's surreal you read 1075 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 2: with her sometimes? Yeah, you ever want to do that? Especially? No, 1076 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,720 Speaker 2: I have zero interest in acting like none zero. 1077 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: Does she ever hear a song of yours and go? 1078 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 2: Eh? She doesn't have to. I can tell here's the 1079 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 2: thing that's more important, and you may be able to 1080 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 2: relate to this. I realized that whoever I play a 1081 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 2: song for, and I've had you at the house and 1082 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 2: i've played you things before, how you react that song 1083 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,399 Speaker 2: tells me a lot about the song, But what tells 1084 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 2: me more is how I feel playing it for you. 1085 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: I've learned so much about how I feel about playing 1086 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,399 Speaker 2: somebody a song, whether it's you or whether it's Nick. 1087 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 2: Because you know, she may go I love that, and 1088 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 2: inside I'm thinking I did until I played it, and 1089 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm not feeling so good about it now. So I 1090 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 2: want to figure out what's going on. 1091 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: What is your relationship with singles, EPs albums because it's 1092 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: a new land out there. Yeah, it's tension. Spans are different. 1093 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: Sorry what exactly, but it is getting that way right? 1094 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:08,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1095 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,800 Speaker 1: So how are you feeling these days about twelve thirteen, 1096 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: fourteen track albums? Why do you see you changing how 1097 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,240 Speaker 1: you're you know, doing Keith Urban distribution of music. 1098 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 2: I still like to think it comes down to quality, 1099 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,439 Speaker 2: the quality of something because people go, oh, people want 1100 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 2: shorter this, short of that, and I'm like, only because 1101 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 2: a lot of what's out there's just not great. It's okay, 1102 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 2: it's not great, and it's not great because it's having 1103 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 2: to be churned out at such a fast right now, 1104 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 2: because it's content content, content content quick. You have it 1105 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 2: with your show, and you're trying to maintain a level 1106 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 2: of excellence with this often unrealistic demand for the amount 1107 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 2: of it. 1108 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,319 Speaker 1: You're trying to walk a line, how can I give 1109 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,320 Speaker 1: you the best most exactly? 1110 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 2: That's exactly it? 1111 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: And I miss a lot because sometimes I do most 1112 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 1: and sometimes I do best, but I often don't get 1113 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,359 Speaker 1: it right at the same time. 1114 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 2: And I think we're in this lot in our society 1115 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,360 Speaker 2: right now. The speed of everything and the demand for 1116 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 2: more and more and more and more quality takes time. 1117 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 2: Not always, but most of the time it takes. It 1118 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 2: takes a beat. 1119 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,439 Speaker 1: Do you feel pressure from at the stage of your career, 1120 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 1: labels managers like, hey, let's go, we need another something 1121 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: from you, or are you now. 1122 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 2: Like, guys, you'll get it when you get it. Yeah, 1123 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,959 Speaker 2: I've never felt that. I've never felt I will say 1124 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 2: my record company, Capitol Records, so I've been with a 1125 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 2: long time. I've never ever felt anything but support for 1126 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 2: what I do. They've never given me like dragging the 1127 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,399 Speaker 2: record out of my hand, demanding this song with that song. Ever, 1128 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 2: they've been amazingly supportive. Do you need a teleprompter? 1129 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: Ever? 1130 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 2: For lyrics? 1131 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,919 Speaker 1: You've got so many number one songs? Do you ever 1132 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: need a reminder of words? Do you have to refresh 1133 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: or are you just there? 1134 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, refresh it if it's gonna be an old song. 1135 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 2: But it's I have a sick memory for for lyrics 1136 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,360 Speaker 2: of songs. It's crazy you bring up I brought it up. 1137 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: But we talked about it with Ronnie Dunn, who I've 1138 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: oddly become friends with and we're opposite in many ways, 1139 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,359 Speaker 1: but we were texting last night like that's he's there's 1140 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,160 Speaker 1: a big picture when you walked into this guest house. 1141 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: He sent over to the house of like a bull 1142 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: or something that was laying on the counter. But Ronnie 1143 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: has and I don't think he would care if I 1144 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: shared this. He has someone in his ear the whole 1145 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: time on a microphone side stage telling him every lyric 1146 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: to every song. He's had it for a long time. 1147 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: He's just like, I don't want to forget, and I 1148 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: don't have I don't have a good memory. So they're 1149 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,760 Speaker 1: like out in the country, out in the country. 1150 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 2: I mean they're right in there. That's excellent. 1151 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean voice of an angel, but holy crap, he 1152 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: can't remember words. 1153 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 2: High pressure gig for the guy in the ear it. 1154 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: And it's a yeah, very much though, but you have 1155 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: it all there for the most part. 1156 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,839 Speaker 2: Boy, he'd want to be on good terms with that guy, 1157 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't he. It's like ron Ron Ronnie, you could get 1158 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 2: Burgundy San Diego real. 1159 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: Quick prompted there, let's talk about the new single and 1160 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: then I do want to get back to the tour. 1161 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,200 Speaker 1: But the current single is Wildhearts. Let me play a 1162 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 1: little bit of this for you. I kind of have 1163 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: a relationship with every songwriter on this song, which is 1164 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Eric Passley is a dear friend of mine. 1165 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: Jen Wayne same she's in now, she's in a group herself. 1166 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 2: Away June. There it is brad Tercy from Old Dominion. 1167 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 1: How does this room come together or was it a 1168 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: room that came together. 1169 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 2: It didn't come together. I got sent this song as 1170 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 2: a finished song, two verses chorus Dunn and I got 1171 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 2: pitched the song from Roxy King and I heard it 1172 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 2: and I was like, it's just I like, the chorus 1173 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,839 Speaker 2: aren't really the rest of us not pulling me in, 1174 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 2: And so I passed on the song. And then about 1175 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 2: two weeks later, I woke up one morning singing this 1176 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 2: chorus in my head and I'm like, what is that? 1177 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,439 Speaker 2: That's that Wildhort song. It's really special chorus. I listened 1178 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,720 Speaker 2: to the song again and I went, Man, that chorus 1179 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 2: is so freaking good. But the verses don't say anything 1180 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 2: to me. And so I called the writers and I 1181 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 2: said would I said it, would you mind if I 1182 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,200 Speaker 2: rewrote the verses just to make them more personal because 1183 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 2: it's such a personal song. It's, you know, following your dreams. 1184 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what about what? You know? What was 1185 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 2: my dream journey from Australia to hear And they sent 1186 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 2: me the track without anything in the verses, and I 1187 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 2: just rewrote the verses. 1188 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool one that they would go yes. 1189 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,879 Speaker 2: And I said to them, I said, I'm a writer, 1190 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,879 Speaker 2: so I get this first of all, I'm not one 1191 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,720 Speaker 2: of these guys that's going to be like I added 1192 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 2: the word the give me fifty percent, right, I've never 1193 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 2: been that guy. And I said, you guys have written 1194 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 2: top song. It's top to bottom, it's finished, right. If 1195 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 2: you can pitch it and someone wants to cut it 1196 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,840 Speaker 2: as is, please do that. I'm not asking to dismantle 1197 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 2: your song if someone else wants to record it, but 1198 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 2: if you are okay, If and I can rewrite these 1199 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 2: verses and they come up the way I think they will, 1200 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,799 Speaker 2: I'm definitely recording this song. And God bless them they 1201 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 2: let me do that. 1202 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: The North America Tour The Speed of Now World Tour 1203 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,439 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. 1204 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,480 Speaker 2: The tickets are on so now Keith urban dot com. 1205 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: How long do you think you have another ten years 1206 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,319 Speaker 1: of doing these really high energy shows in you? 1207 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 2: I don't even think about that. I mean, just the 1208 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,359 Speaker 2: next year, just the next show. Good next year. 1209 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm injured. My whole body's still injured from 1210 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 1: my nat GEO show, right, yeah, I bet so. Now 1211 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: I think about things in terms like could I do 1212 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: another three seasons of that show? 1213 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 2: And I can't. I now understand I can't yeah, her wrist, 1214 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 2: her shoulder hurt. Everything. Tour is not that show, but 1215 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 2: your tour, I'm telling you. The thing is that you're 1216 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 2: mad man. 1217 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: Your tour is again, is the most energetic show I 1218 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: have ever seen from a superstar who doesn't have to 1219 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: be that energetic because he's already a superstar. 1220 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,399 Speaker 2: And I mean that the most complimentary way. 1221 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,319 Speaker 1: You could go out and just put on a solid 1222 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: show and be Keith Urban and people will be blown away, 1223 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,799 Speaker 1: but you don't. Your hair is on fire for no 1224 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,160 Speaker 1: other reason than you live that your art is your 1225 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: hair being on fire during a show. 1226 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well I only know one volume to get 1227 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 2: out there and play at there is I mean, if 1228 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 2: it's real passion and the audience knows it, they're like, 1229 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 2: that's legit. That's a guy surfing on the wave not 1230 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 2: thinking about it, but it's really happening and I can 1231 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 2: feel it. It's true. It's in the moment. Do you 1232 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 2: lose yourself in shows? Definitely? Yeah. It's a perfect balance 1233 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 2: of being completely present and completely lost in the moment 1234 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 2: all simultaneously. 1235 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 1: Do you ever Sometimes I'll drive and I'll get somewhere 1236 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: and I'll be like, holy crap, I don't know how 1237 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: I got here, like subconscious has completely taken over. And 1238 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: then I feel unsafe and I'm like, you're telling you 1239 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 1: people are driving. And then I started thinking about other 1240 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: idiots who are doing what I did, not thinking and 1241 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: driving places. But does that ever happen in a show 1242 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: where you're three songs later and you're like, dear god, 1243 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: how did I even get here? 1244 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 2: No? No, I mean maybe no, not really, not even 1245 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 2: a moment. I was thinking about a moment and a song. No, 1246 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 2: because I don't know. I'm just super present, but I'm 1247 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 2: also thinking I'm taking a multi multiprocessing right, which I 1248 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,400 Speaker 2: think you do it extremely well on your show. You're 1249 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 2: listening to me, you're checking that out, you're thinking about 1250 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 2: other things. You're probably thinking about some other things you 1251 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,479 Speaker 2: gotta do, and it's all multi processing all at once 1252 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 2: and you totally hear as well. 1253 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm completely present, but I think I'm 1254 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,520 Speaker 1: good at being present while also delegating my mind to 1255 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: do other things the same. 1256 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 2: It's a good way to put it. 1257 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you say on that microphone when you 1258 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,479 Speaker 1: walk over that nobody hears? 1259 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 2: You know, the microphone when you're talking to it. Oh right, yeah, 1260 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 2: you have one of those. Yeah, what do you? 1261 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,280 Speaker 1: What do you when you walk back? That's four songs 1262 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 1: in and only here guys on stage can hear you. 1263 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,880 Speaker 1: Because for those that don't know, some of my friends 1264 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 1: that have them call them. We'll call it a b mic. Right, 1265 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: the word rich, like, we're talking to the rich mic. Right, 1266 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,959 Speaker 1: if you're going to that microphone? What are you saying 1267 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of a show. 1268 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 2: Why would it might be cooled that? 1269 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't have no idea. That's weird, that's what. That's 1270 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,600 Speaker 1: the only thing I know it as, right. 1271 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 2: Oh, that's weird. I've never heard that expression. Oh you 1272 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 2: have it? No, Oh okay, I never heard that. Well I 1273 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 2: don't say it, but that's crazy. So we stole it 1274 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,280 Speaker 2: from Kenny Chesney when I was on two with him 1275 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 2: and I saw he had one, and I'm like, well, 1276 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,200 Speaker 2: that's perfect because everyone's got in ears and you can 1277 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 2: actually talk to everyone, aren't you We're needing to get 1278 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,720 Speaker 2: out over the top. No, you're not at all, not that, Mike. 1279 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 2: What do you say? 1280 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,960 Speaker 1: Is it like, hey, guys, we're going to switch songs 1281 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 1: or we're gonna play in a different or on my 1282 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 1: throat hurt or like what. 1283 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 2: It could be something to my guitar tech, could be 1284 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 2: something to the monitor guy, could be something to the band. 1285 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,320 Speaker 2: It could be something to security. It could just be 1286 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,080 Speaker 2: really like you see something out there. 1287 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: For sure, security has ears in and they can hear that. 1288 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 2: I know that it's going to get to where it's 1289 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 2: going to get to. If maybe not directly, someone will 1290 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,919 Speaker 2: relay the message. But yeah, if I feel like there's 1291 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 2: just heavy handed security at a place, not letting people 1292 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,120 Speaker 2: have fun or anything like that, I'll make sure it 1293 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,480 Speaker 2: gets taken care of. Definitely. Of all the things that 1294 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:03,680 Speaker 2: you do. 1295 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 1: As we wrap this up, one of my favorites is 1296 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: when you and I haven't seen it in a while 1297 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: because you haven't been on the road as normal. 1298 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:13,480 Speaker 2: No one has. 1299 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Right when you do those videos with the police escort 1300 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 1: behind you and you're like, thank you guys, that's great. 1301 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Like I love the blue light video at the end 1302 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: of the show, right, that's funny. So much so that 1303 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: there have been a couple of times where, you know, 1304 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: we we've done a couple of shows. We did a festival, 1305 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: and I threw a festival in Texas and we had 1306 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: like four or five thousand people and we had to 1307 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: get out, and I was like, Hey, I want to 1308 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 1: get that blue light like he throw it because I 1309 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 1: gotta get that shot right. 1310 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 2: So you're inspiring me in ways you had no idea. 1311 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,240 Speaker 2: I just gray, it's much better to having in front 1312 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 2: of you than behind you. Let me tell you, I 1313 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,760 Speaker 2: would agree with that. I've spent way more years with 1314 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 2: the opposite. So this is nice, Mike. 1315 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Anything that I have missed that we need to address 1316 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,160 Speaker 1: with Keith. 1317 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,440 Speaker 2: Before he leaves, I think that's everything. 1318 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: It's the daylight savings time just about so it's getting 1319 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 1: darker now and so it feels like it's midnight. So 1320 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little tired, kind of run through it here. 1321 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,520 Speaker 1: Anything you'd like to say, Read, you're a massive Keith fan. 1322 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 2: Read is my video guy. He's been looking for he'p 1323 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 2: been looking forward to this whole life. Oh my gosh, 1324 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,400 Speaker 2: So Read, this is your one shot with Keith. 1325 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 1: Is there anything take a deep breath, all right, that 1326 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: you'd like to ask Keith? 1327 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 3: All right, Keith, I don't know. All I'm thinking about 1328 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 3: is uh. When I first started learning guitar, my dad 1329 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 3: got me your Golden Road DVD that had all the 1330 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 3: music videos on it, and I would stand in front 1331 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 3: of the TV and I would try to mimic and 1332 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 3: try to learn learn the songs, and it was god awful. 1333 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,040 Speaker 3: But I remember that moment. And then I got the 1334 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 3: pleasure of going to your show. I think it was 1335 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 3: in Dallas like three no, maybe like two years ago, 1336 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 3: and my girlfriend got me the tickets and and of 1337 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 3: course you're out in the crowd running around and you 1338 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 3: came up to us, and I can just remember my uh, 1339 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 3: my girlfriend just going Keith, Keith. That was probably me actually, 1340 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,440 Speaker 3: but yeah, so those are just the moments that came 1341 01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:59,800 Speaker 3: up to me. 1342 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,080 Speaker 2: But I was a huge fan, man, Thank you so much, 1343 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 2: huge fan. How's the plane coming along? Oh it's it's good. Yeah, 1344 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 2: yeah he's still playing. Yeah, yes, sir. Yeah. I love songwriting. 1345 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,000 Speaker 3: I don't do a lot of playing shows or anything, 1346 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 3: but I love to produce my music as well and 1347 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 3: write songs. 1348 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: So right, yes, sir, Yeah, there we have hey emotional 1349 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 1: emotional moment here. 1350 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 2: I'll mention this before you go to I. 1351 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 1: As we were walking out of our wedding, we played 1352 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 1: God Whispered your Name to Wow. The writers or one 1353 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,400 Speaker 1: of the writers saw me out. I was getting some 1354 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: ice cream to Kaitlin and he was like, you guys 1355 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 1: played when God Whispered your Name of your wedding, and 1356 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I was like, first time I keep singing that song. 1357 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: I was like, that's it, Like I felt that that's 1358 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: one of those rare songs in my life where I 1359 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 1: was like, because when I heard it the first time, 1360 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,439 Speaker 1: I thought, if I can ever have this in my life, 1361 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 1: that's it. And then when I met my wife now 1362 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,160 Speaker 1: I went, this is that song like it was the songwriting, 1363 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,320 Speaker 1: it was the delivery, it was the texture, all of those. 1364 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,320 Speaker 2: Things together in that song. 1365 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, man, if I ever find this because 1366 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I heard song before I knew her, But when I 1367 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: met her and I was like, oh, this is. 1368 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 2: When God whispered your name. Wow. 1369 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,320 Speaker 1: And it's one of those few moments where a song 1370 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: is You're. 1371 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 2: Super romantic, punches you in the gut. You really are. Yeah, okay, 1372 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 2: maybe you got you got married and you love that 1373 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 2: kind of song and yeah you had Dan and should 1374 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 2: played You're Winning. 1375 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,680 Speaker 1: Yes cool, and they The funny part about that was 1376 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 1: my wife and Abby Smires are really close friends. Dan 1377 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,760 Speaker 1: and I have been buddies for a long time, and 1378 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,960 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, look you get because they're like, 1379 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,720 Speaker 1: whatever you want, we'll play. Like Dan was like, well 1380 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: you didn't even ask us, like we'll play whatever you want. 1381 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,360 Speaker 1: And I think they expected us to pick one of 1382 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 1: their songs because they have a hundred love songs, they 1383 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:50,560 Speaker 1: have the. 1384 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,320 Speaker 2: Best lie but I didn't. I picked the Beach Boys song. 1385 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 2: Oh what song did you pick? Forever? I don't know 1386 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 2: this and everyone I say will make you laugh at 1387 01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:59,960 Speaker 2: talk for. 1388 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Dennis Wilson wrote it, I don't know that song. Jesse 1389 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: and the Rippers later did it on Full House. 1390 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,000 Speaker 2: Dennis Wilson wrote it the drummer Wow, and they crushed 1391 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 2: it and for it and they did check that song. 1392 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Yet they put it on a they give us a file. 1393 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 1: They recorded it as well as wedding gift us right 1394 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and gave it to us. It was awesome, amazing, And 1395 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,480 Speaker 1: what was cool was even Ronnie was like, hey, you 1396 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: don't want anything for your wedding, Like I can't get 1397 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,240 Speaker 1: you anything. What do you mean to sing? And I 1398 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 1: was like, that's the greatest gift ever. So he sang 1399 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,040 Speaker 1: neon Moon. 1400 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 2: It was awesome, My goodness, this is awesome. Wow. How 1401 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,720 Speaker 2: did he remember all the words. 1402 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 1: I worried too, I said, do we need to get 1403 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,840 Speaker 1: that mic for you over on the side. 1404 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 2: We didn't. He knew the words though, had the sell 1405 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,400 Speaker 2: phone up his ear the whole time. 1406 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,480 Speaker 1: All right, get tickets throw on sale today. Keith Urban 1407 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,880 Speaker 1: The Speed of Now World Tour twenty twenty two. 1408 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 2: They're up. Go see him this podcast. 1409 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: This show is heard in all kinds of countries, so 1410 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,320 Speaker 1: all obviously North America, but all over the world. I 1411 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,800 Speaker 1: don't know how you do it. I don't know how 1412 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: you do it. 1413 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,000 Speaker 2: It maintain is you. I love what I do. I 1414 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 2: love what I get to do. And truly it's a 1415 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 2: you know, people go, oh, it's there's a gift every days. 1416 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,520 Speaker 2: It really is. And I'll finish with this because I 1417 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 2: think it's what is what it's all about, is I went. 1418 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,760 Speaker 2: I was born with the addictive gene. I went to 1419 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 2: three rehabs in the span of three years, in the 1420 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 2: span of eight years. The first rehab is nineteen ninety eight, 1421 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 2: the second one was two thousand and three, and my 1422 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,800 Speaker 2: third one was two thousand and six. And it took 1423 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,880 Speaker 2: what it took for me to finally get sober. And 1424 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 2: that journey brought the deepest, deepest level of gratitude for 1425 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 2: what I get to do that I don't know if 1426 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,800 Speaker 2: I ever would have gotten that gratitude level without that journey. 1427 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,600 Speaker 2: I think when you come close to losing all of 1428 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 2: that and then it gets given back to you through grace. 1429 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,440 Speaker 2: In my case, getting back to me, I was like, 1430 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,880 Speaker 2: I'm never going to take this for granted ever again. 1431 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,640 Speaker 1: Does it make you a more giving person going through 1432 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 1: because for me, I have found that growing up a 1433 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: poverty kid and someone who's been through those struggles with 1434 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: the secondary that affects me and how I treat other people. 1435 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,920 Speaker 1: Do you think you were two different people before and 1436 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 1: after your final run, your your final time and rehab? 1437 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 2: Very much? Yeah, and yes, I separate the person from 1438 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 2: the addiction. 1439 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,439 Speaker 1: Usually you are known as one of the nicer guys 1440 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,000 Speaker 1: in town, just generally by people like Keith urban Is 1441 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 1: the nicest guy. Were you known early in your career 1442 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: as that guy? Were you always just completely dialed into 1443 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,560 Speaker 1: the human aspect of people? 1444 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,000 Speaker 2: Because now you are and you're known for that. I 1445 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,840 Speaker 2: like people, and I like collaborating. I love Yeah, I 1446 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 2: love people. I've always loved people. You've always been a 1447 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,240 Speaker 2: nice guy. I've always I think I've always been bridge builder. 1448 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm a bridge builder. I'm an entertaina. I you know, 1449 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,880 Speaker 2: I think I was the that was the that was 1450 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,240 Speaker 2: the peace person. You know, if you have an identity 1451 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,360 Speaker 2: in your home. I was the bridge builder between my 1452 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,640 Speaker 2: brother and my father, always trying to kill each other. 1453 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,040 Speaker 2: I was like, interesting, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the 1454 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,240 Speaker 2: one that keeps the peace here. And I think I've 1455 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 2: carried that into my life. 1456 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: All Right, go to a show, listen to the music. 1457 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Keith Urban, thank you always good to talk to you. 1458 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,800 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you too. There he is Keith Urban. 1459 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:15,840 Speaker 2: H