1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Drivers and Buck 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: today I am joined by doctor Miles U. He is 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: a former advisor to Secretary Mike Pompeo and he's largely 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: credited for the Trump administration's broad pushback against China. He 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: is now a Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute, where 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: he directs the China Center and is a professor of 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: East Asia and military history in the United States Naval Academy. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: As the threat of China grows, and it is a 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: significant threat. You guys have heard me talk about it 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: several times, but it is growing each and every day, 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: and the diplomatic tensions are rising in Washington and beyond. Honestly, 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: this is the best guy to talk to. He's just 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: he understands it in and out. He's been involved in 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: policy for years, actually someone who came over to the 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: United States from China. So I'm really excited to have 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: this conversation, Doctor Miles you. Thank you for joining me today. 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, Tutor for having me. 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely I think we were talking ahead of time, and 22 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people today say, I mean, 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: how big of a thread is China? But you have 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: to remember that in the United States, most of the 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: people in the US haven't seen war. We don't really 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: understand how dangerous it is. We're pretty spoiled in the 27 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: fact that we think that we're safe over here in 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: North America. But you would say that China is getting 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: closer and closer to trying to go to war in 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: some way, right, Yeah, I mean, I think the. 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: China thread obviously is a very very we use words 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 4: like existential, fundamental threat to the United States. Most of 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 4: people don't know exactly what it means. Let me just 34 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 4: put this way. 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: This is not. 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 4: A kind of a piece for harmonious competition where if 37 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: you win the race and the loser say, okay, you 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 4: went no China. Under Chinese Commis Party will never accept 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: a defeat because the win for America is the. 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: Destruction of the regime. 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: That's how they think about this, right, whether sure or not, 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: That's how the Chinese comes to Party thinks. 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: So their strategical. 44 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: Goal is not just to win the race, but also 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: the destruction of the United States, because they believe that. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: What the United. 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: States stands for universal values, democracy, freedom, all the things 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: that were fundamental threats to the region. That's because the 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: fear most, what the fear most is that the Chinese 50 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 4: people would identify with what America is, So not necessarily 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: about policy at one particular administration either Republican Democrats. So 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 4: that's besides the issue. So that's why the Chinese strategic 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: intention is based upon the idea that America must be defeated. 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: Or so when you say defeated and you say things 55 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: like win the race, what does that exactly mean? 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, what is the ultimate plan? We always talk about. 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: China has really one hundred year plan and they're deep 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: into that plan. We look at things in four and 59 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: eight year cycles. What does it mean for China to 60 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: win the race? Is it a financial race? Is it 61 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: a manufacturing race? Is it ultimately becoming the world superpower? 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 4: The most deadly threat to the Chinese Commans Party is 63 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 4: the inspirational value of the United States. So imagine not 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: every Chinese citizen wants to be treated like an American citizen, 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: where you can say a lot of things, you can 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: do a lot of things, you can criticize the president 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 4: without any severe punishment, and the regime will be finished. 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 4: So that's why they're tied very closely intrinsically the the 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: sort of exemplary power of the United States also not 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: as soft power with the region's survival. That's why from 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: day one they can either sort of a uh, this 72 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: sort of put out a lot of dc information about 73 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 4: the nature and the weaknesses and defects of the American democracy, 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: which is they've been doing from day one. For decades, 75 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: they tried to sort of, you know, to portray America 76 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: as the absolutely abasiable hell of the world, or if 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: they're capable, they would basically demolish Americans leadership role along 78 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: with it the inspirational power, a soft power of the 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: United States. So what they mean is that they want 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: to reduce the America to a country that would have 81 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: no impact in other countries. Keep in mind, there is 82 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 4: a wave of democratization since America became a superpower of 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 4: the world after World War Two. Look at the Asia 84 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: since the mid nineteen eighties, the United States has been 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: the major factor that basically made many countries that were 86 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 4: otherwise dictatorship democracy like the Philippines, started with nineteen eighty 87 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 4: six philipp People's Power Movement, and then this kind of 88 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 4: an unstoppable democratization wave swept Taiwan, Swest South Korea, and Malaysia, Indonesia. 89 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 4: So Chinese coming to Party is profoundly afraid of this 90 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: kind of a change to its own regime. So that's 91 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: why their strategical intention is a zero sum game. Now, 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: President Biden defines the US channel relationship as one of 93 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: the competitions strategic competitions. Competitions are very nice words to say, 94 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 4: it's not really exactly accurate because from Chinese comes to 95 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: Party's point of view, the US channel relationship is a 96 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: matter of fundamental struggle of life and death is either 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: you die, I live, or the otherwise. So this is 98 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: why their strategic intention is to destroy the foundation of 99 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: American democracy. 100 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: So that's one thing. 101 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 4: Now, there are a lot of bad countries, bad regions 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: in the world who do not wish a well, So 103 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 4: China's not alone. 104 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: That, you know. 105 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: I think that's actually something that is scary. 106 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: As we see President g meeting with President Putin, as 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: we see there's kind of there is potentially some sort 108 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: of discussions with Iran, there is the opportunity for these 109 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: powers to join forces and come against the United States. 110 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: But it seems as though Americans are not really aware 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: of this, and I think that maybe what you're saying 112 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: that is, if you are a Chinese citizen, you are 113 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: not really seeing America with the streets paved with gold 114 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: and opportunity. They're only showing you what they want you 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: to see of America, and America is a bad place. 116 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if we take America down. And then 117 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: you have so you have a Chinese military that is 118 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: trained and ready to go, you also have them communicating 119 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: with these other forces that could come against us. What 120 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: does that mean when we see them suddenly aligning with Cuba. 121 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: We already know that we had the Cuban missile crisis 122 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: that was averted at one point, but now that was 123 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: we can never have we can never have Cuba happen again. 124 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: But it looks like that could happen. 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 4: Well, you actually talked about something I was going to say, 126 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: that is China is not alone in the world that 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: hits America. What really makes the difference is that China 128 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: has growing capabilities that could really reach its goal. The 129 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: Chinese spend a lot of money on its military on 130 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: the new platforms of modern warfare, space, cyber, undersea, artificial intelligence, 131 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: electronic magnetica, polls, and big data. So that's one thing. 132 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: So in terms of capabilities, China is growing scary. That's 133 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: why we see China's threats real. Now you mentioned about Cuba. Now, 134 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 4: Cuba has been hosting China for intelligence and military training 135 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: purposes for the last twenty years, and our leadership Democratic 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: reproberm can have been sort of a dormant an indolent 137 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: on this the reason why that's worth Yeah, yeah, since 138 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: we knew this as already as at least twenty two 139 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: thousand and one, I wrote about this, right, So this 140 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: is the reason why this Cuban Chinese connection is important. 141 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 4: Because China does not view American's hegemoney that's the term 142 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: they use as purely original. So it's not just the 143 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: United States has really the capability to stop China from 144 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: inventing Taiwan in the Asia Pacific region. China viewed the 145 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 4: United States as a global power, so therefore, in order 146 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 4: to defeat the America, you have to approach this from 147 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: global perspective. That's why Cuba is important because if you 148 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: can use Cuba as a spying listening base. You can 149 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: tap into Americans global military capabilities, how American conducted global 150 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: warfare and to keep peace and safe for democracy. 151 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: UH. 152 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: That's because if you look at this geography, Florida is 153 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 4: right across Cuba. Three out of the ten US military 154 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: combatant commands are in Florida. You have the same COM 155 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: which is basically operates a global strike capability to focus 156 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 4: on on the Middle East, that's in Tampa. And then 157 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: also in Tampa is the American Special Operations UH Command 158 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: that is global in nature. And you have those South 159 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: COM which bases somewhere near Miami. So in other words, UH, 160 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: our space assets are also predominantly in Florida. 161 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: So China think. 162 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 4: About this from a global perspective. That's why it's very important. 163 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: China has been developing global strike capabilities for a number 164 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: of years, and there they're they're doing something that we 165 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: should repair closer to There are space weapons, for example, 166 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: there are cyber opportunity operations. 167 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: Those are all very very real. 168 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: So it's not just I'm talking about some countries just 169 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 4: head in America because you know, they don't like it 170 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: like us, so they can actually do damage to the 171 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: foundation of American republic. 172 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 173 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: a Tutor Dixon podcast. I think people think, okay, but 174 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: you know, Cuba is still far away. What does it 175 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: mean to actually be spying from Cuba? For those of 176 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: us who are just regular civilians, we don't see what 177 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: that means. I mean in my head, you know, it's 178 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: like that old movie where they have the binoculars, but 179 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: that's not happening. 180 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: That's not what happened with the spy balloon. 181 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: Can you explain to the average American what it means 182 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: to be this close, what it means to have a 183 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: balloon travel across the country, what it means to be 184 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: in Cuba. 185 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: So that's very good. 186 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: The good segue to the the third elements of what 187 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: I consider why China is a serious national security threat 188 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 4: to America, to Americans way of life right. That is, 189 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 4: unlike the Soviet Union, where the Soviet block was completely 190 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: cut off from a global free trade system, so the 191 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 4: Soviet system could never benefit from the free market for example, 192 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 4: China is totally different. China is a full member of 193 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 4: international free market system. Even though nobody recognized China as 194 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 4: a free market economy. So China, for example, has dominated 195 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 4: some key economic sector and trade sectors. 196 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: You go to Walmart, you go to Target, it's all 197 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 3: the things. It's hard for you to find items not 198 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: made in China. Really, that's right, that's exactly. 199 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: That's our own stupidity and our own policy indepnence. We 200 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 4: harbor some kind of very uh on real, unrealistic illusion 201 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: about the nature of the Chinese comes regime. So when 202 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 4: we talk about, for example, China has increasingly powerful dominance 203 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: in social media, right in telecommunication, I mean TikTok has 204 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 4: become the most favored uh social media outlet for the 205 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 4: for for young people in America. 206 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: Uh So, why that's very. 207 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 4: Important because if you get to China, you ask the 208 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 4: ten people, uh uh who are the wiggers the Muslims? 209 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: Right, uh? 210 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 4: And then nine out of ten people will tell you 211 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 4: they are terrorists because, as you mentioned earlier, they received 212 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: information only from the government sans channel. That's right, that's why, 213 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 4: because they don't have any comparative reference points. 214 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: So that's why it's very important. 215 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 4: Imagine TikTok become the number one social media outlet in America, 216 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: which is very close, very real. I read some about 217 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 4: two thirds American use actually use TikTok. The Chinese government 218 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: has total control, total access to TikTok as a consumer 219 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: data and the servers. So by definition, by law, any 220 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: company based in China must comply with Chinese government states demands. 221 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: In other words, you have to corporate with China for 222 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 4: it'spen not for intelligence any other purposes. So imagine someday 223 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 4: TikTok dominates American's social media platform and the American young 224 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: people were asking, do you think that American democratic democracy 225 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: is better than China's so called democracy? I think the 226 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 4: Chinese government, they might want to hear nine out of 227 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: ten people say no, the Chinese democracy is quote unquote 228 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 4: is better than Americans. 229 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: That's what they do. 230 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 4: They try to reach that kind of political So is 231 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: one unique feature of the Chinese government is that Chinese 232 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: government weaponized every aspect of the comprehensive engagement between US 233 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: and China. So, as I say, is this is to 234 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 4: then this is the epic battle of life and death. 235 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, what you brought up the wiggers. A lot of 236 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: people don't know what group that is in China. There's 237 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: really truly a genocide against this group. They are the 238 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: Chinese Muslims, but can you give a little insight as 239 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: to what they're doing to those folks and why they 240 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: are manipulating people into believing that they're a bad group. 241 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: So the Vigors was very small. 242 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: Ethic minority group, but they're not Han Chinese by ethnicity. 243 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: They were kind of Turkic, you know, people in Central 244 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 4: Asia for centuries, and China basically conquer the Chinese Central Asia, 245 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: which that's where the Wigger lived. Chinese called the hin 246 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: Yung right literally means a new frontier or new territory. 247 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: So the Viggers were ten to twelve million, very small 248 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: in comparison to the Chinese the size of a population. However, 249 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: they are ethnically different, they have unique ethnic identity, and 250 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: most importantly they are Muslims. 251 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: So and the. 252 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: Chinese comes ideology actually harbors the ideological hostility to all 253 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 4: form of religions, particularly organized religions like Christianity and the 254 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: muslim So they try to sort of, you know, to 255 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 4: wipe out the Viggers ethnic and the religious identity for decades, 256 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 4: and they couldn't succeed totally. So and then about twenty 257 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: years ago China had this idea of we're going to 258 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: open up the western frontier. We're going to have a 259 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: breakout points against the Americans, so called contentment. That's all 260 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: in their inn imagination. So they look at the Jhinjan 261 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 4: that's where we're going to go. That's basically the beginning 262 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 4: of the so called the Belgian Road initiative. Because ben 263 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: Road initiatively started as a sort of a network that 264 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 4: starts from Shinyang. That's why they want to have a 265 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: total plassification plan, a campaign in that area, and they 266 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: intensify the efforts to subjugate the Wiggers. That's how they 267 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: that's why they locked up like the wiggers into concentrations 268 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: coming by the millions since twenty twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, 269 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: that timeframe, and the US government officially designate the China's 270 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: atrocity against wiggers as a genocide, and that definition that 271 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: the determination has not been overturned by any evidential counter arguments. 272 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: So it's pretty horrific. So that's why, Yeah, in the 273 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 4: eyes of the ordinary Chinese, all vigers are are terrorists. 274 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: If you're a Wigger as a minority, no matter how 275 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: innocent you are, you cannot really get into checking the 276 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 4: hotel or buy tickets, wow, tren tickets or airplane because 277 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 4: you are under complete surveillance and you are deemed by 278 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: default as a terrorist. That's basically no, that's systemic discrimination. 279 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 4: So it's pretty horrible, horrible. I mean, wiggers are not alone. 280 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 4: You can't talk about Tibetans and many other religious practitioners 281 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: in China as well. 282 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: But if that's what they do when they take over 283 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: a country, if that's how people are treated, how do 284 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: people expect Taiwan, the Taiwanese to be treated when they 285 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: go in there. 286 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: How when they. 287 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: Start to take over more and more territories. I mean, 288 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: this is truly a danger that people will be taken 289 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: in as slaves and abused and ultimately killed. 290 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's. 291 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: Something that the average American doesn't really understand. And we 292 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: talk about Taiwan, Taiwan is really I mean, they're obviously watching, 293 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: They're getting buzzed by Chinese military plans constantly. 294 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: It seems as. 295 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: Though China has been watching the conflict in Ukraine and saying, OK, ok, 296 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: how is the rest of the world going to react 297 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: because we're about to do this with Taiwan? 298 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: And what does that mean? Once they go into Taiwan. 299 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: Well, it could mean many things that you mentioned about Ukraine, 300 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: which is very important because Russia's gag bit in Ukraine 301 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 4: has a broad Russia closer to China. There's two very 302 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 4: powerful nuclear powers are doing their bit of aggression, following 303 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 4: exactly the logic of aggression because Runary Putting invents Ukraine 304 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 4: based upon the protext that the Ukrainians do not have 305 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: their own ethnic identity, do not have their own nationhood. 306 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 4: So all that matters to Rightmary Putting is a shared 307 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: historic linguistic ethnic heritage, which is Ukrainians and Russians do. 308 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 4: But since the class of the Civic Union, the Ukrainians 309 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 4: have developed their own ethnic identity the sovereignty. So rad 310 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: Reputting denies that UH. Chinese Communist Party is doing exactly 311 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: same thing to the Taiwanese. It denies Taiwanese their own 312 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: UH political and intellectual cultural identity and just focused on 313 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: the shared linguistic ethnic heritage. 314 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: UH. 315 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 4: If that's the case, you know the United States should 316 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: belong to in England. So so this this is just 317 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 4: a ludicrous. But the two powers UH are in con 318 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 4: hoods together to do their own business of aggression and 319 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: a territorial aggrandizement. On the other hand, h Russia is 320 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 4: not doing very well, isn't it in Ukraine? So they 321 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 4: are On one hand, china strategic confidence to venture into 322 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 4: Taiwan has increased. Simultaneously, on the other hand, the chances 323 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: of winning and the cost of such a military adventure 324 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: adventure of UH has also increased dramatically. So imagine if 325 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 4: China launched the military adventure against Taiwan and UH, UH 326 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 4: it gets stuck like Russians in Ukraine, and that is 327 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 4: going to be much more dangerous to the regime survival 328 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 4: than than than anything else. 329 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: So that's why it gives a pause. 330 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 4: To the to the to the Chinese c cp UH 331 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 4: decision maker, I would say, UH, the most important factor 332 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: to deter China from a venture into something very dangerous 333 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: and the military hot world is the absolute and clear 334 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 4: display of resolve of the United States, because we're the 335 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 4: country that ultimately matters UH. And I think you know, 336 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 4: both Republicans and Democrats are on this score. Actually, UH, 337 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 4: they're very united in this regard. And then President Biden 338 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 4: has said on four occasions that he's going to use 339 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: the military US military to intervene to fight back China 340 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: as a military invasion of Taiwan. That's very good, but 341 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: he's not alone. I mean, every president since Carter has 342 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: said that. 343 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: What do you as you watch this conflict with Ukraine 344 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: and you and you know China is watching as well, 345 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: do you think that the United States should get more 346 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: heavily involved there or do you think that the trajectory 347 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: we're on is the right trajectory. 348 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 4: The Ukrainian War is actually a very uh uh tricky 349 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 4: situation for the United States because since I worked in 350 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: the Trump administration, I knew that we actually made a 351 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: revolutionary change of American as a global security posture. That is, 352 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: we shifted American is a strategical focus away from Europe 353 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 4: from Middle East to focus on the on China in 354 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: the Indo Pacific. For precisely reason that I mentioned earlier 355 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 4: that China is a far more uh formidable full of 356 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 4: the United States than the Soviets then the loosely organized 357 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 4: state sponsored terrorists in the Middle East. 358 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: Uh On the other hand, the war in you in Ukraine. 359 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: Also calls for Americans increased involvement to ensure Russia's defeat. 360 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: Uh So, the balance the trick is that we can 361 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: support Ukraine, ensure Ukrainian's victory without changing American strategical focus 362 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: away from China to the to the to Europe. So 363 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: that's why it's very important for the Americans to to 364 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 4: call on our friends and allies native allies in Europe 365 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: to increase the burden sharing responsibilities, to increase their their 366 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 4: participation in the world efforts in Ukraine. After all, it's 367 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: in their backyard. 368 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: UH. 369 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 4: And the Europeans are actually in a in a bit 370 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 4: of a dilemma as well. 371 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: UH. 372 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 4: Decades decades of of over dependency on other countries has 373 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: hollowed out the European's sort of a self reliance. For example, 374 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 4: they suddenly realized after the war in Ukraine broke out 375 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 4: that they have the over reliance on Russia for energy, 376 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: and also they have the over reliance on China for trade. 377 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 4: And then most horrifying to them is that they have 378 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: the overreliance on America for security. We're paying about seventy 379 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 4: to eighty percent of the natal bills. America will be 380 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 4: the main pondering the forces defending natal countries. 381 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: So I think I think that's what the fear is 382 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: right now because people watching this on the sidelines are going, 383 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: wait a minute, is America really secure? 384 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: Everything seems a little crazy there. 385 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: The president doesn't even he falls asleep when he's in 386 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: the middle of a press conference with the Israeli president. 387 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it looks pretty rough. So suddenly we're relying 388 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: on America for security. We're not even sure they know 389 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: what they're doing. Countries aren't paying their fair share. Meanwhile, 390 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: we are very reliant on China. Every European country is 391 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: very reliant, but the United States. I mean, we're importing 392 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: five times what we export to them. 393 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: We are very reliant on them. 394 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: And I've said to experts, well, doesn't that put China 395 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: in an interesting position too, because most of what they're 396 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: selling we're buying. And they said, you got to understand 397 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: dealing with a regime like that, a communist regime. 398 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: That's not how they're thinking of it. They don't care. 399 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean China, as I say, weaponize every aspect 400 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 4: of the US China relations to seek its own geopolitical purpose, 401 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 4: which is ultimately the destruction of America as a world leader. 402 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: So trade, obviously, you're right, Trade is a huge leverage 403 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: for China. They use trade to gain more control of 404 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: American market, to get more control of America's political arena. 405 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: I mean in your state of Michigan, for example, there 406 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: is the Chinese state subsidized state sponsored battery UH company 407 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 4: which recently uh your governor, Uh, I have no I 408 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 4: have no idea what she's drinking, what she's thinking allow 409 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: and a facility that's kind of a kind of. 410 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: Facility in Michigan. 411 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: It's very dangerous because uh uh battery controls the future 412 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 4: of the electric vehicles, and Detroit is the center of 413 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 4: American's automobile manufacturing. We must have developed a self reliance 414 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: on that. So uh this is very important. Just imagine this. 415 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 416 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: China's uh a stronghold on us is such that if 417 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 4: you are a uh an actor, if you're a director 418 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 4: from Hollywood, or if you're a sports manager for some team, 419 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: if you tweet on your private account something that Chinese 420 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: comes doesn't like, and then UH no suit for you, 421 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: Your your business channel will be will will be totally 422 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 4: cut off. And that's why they basically has covered the 423 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: Americans business elites to comply with China's demands. That's not American, 424 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 4: that's fundamentally on American So that's why China's controlled Chinese influence. 425 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: China's a threat to the United States is not six 426 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: thousand miles away, somewhere in China, is right next to us, 427 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 4: is on your computer, is in your iPhone. Chinese surveillance 428 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: and the ves dropping capabilities is so progressive in the 429 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: in the United States that we have reached the point 430 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 4: of natural crisis. That's why you see the congressional hearings, 431 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 4: the technical experts, government policies have been sort of all 432 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: acting trying to find a solution. It's very important. It's 433 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 4: very important for us to understand that because the nature 434 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 4: of American political system, which is the sort of federalist society, 435 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 4: that is, we have a very strong local and state autonomy. 436 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 4: So China just punsdin and exploring that nature of American 437 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 4: public assistance by massively engaged with local and the state 438 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: governments to their own bidding. They even tried, they even 439 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 4: tried to battery in Michigan, for example. That's a very 440 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: very bad thing. 441 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 442 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. I want to talk about that 443 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: because there's actually two we have. The one that Ford 444 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: is bringing in that Governor Youngkin said, don't you dare 445 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: bring that to my state. I'm not going to have 446 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: a company that is connected to the Chinese Communist Party. 447 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: We have the other one named Goshen that's coming into 448 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: the middle of the state. Neither of these were required 449 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: to have any type of environmental testing, which to me 450 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: is just shocking because these are using very very intense 451 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: chemicals on our farmland a rate in the middle by 452 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: our water in the state of Michigan. We're surrounded by 453 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: the Great Lakes, one of the greatest fresh water natural 454 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: resources in the entire world. Do we want China to 455 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: have a access to our water, be the ability to 456 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: pollute our water or see just the intelligence opportunity in 457 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: the center of the country in the state of Michigan. 458 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: And also, we. 459 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: Ultimately don't even know what this one battery plant is 460 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: making because they're calling it a battery plant, but there's 461 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: non disclosure agreements signed around it. We're hearing that the 462 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: product will likely be shipped out of the country. We 463 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: won't even use it here. How could we possibly get 464 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: in bed with these companies? 465 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. It's off to Michigan voters to 466 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: figure it out. But I will say all I have 467 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: to say this. I have a large I'm married into 468 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 4: the family that's basically Michigan, and you're right, Michigan has 469 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 4: a lot of beauty and pure Michigan will no longer 470 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 4: be pure if a Chinese Commans party controls the major 471 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: sector of your economy. That's all I have to say. 472 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: But I also believe that federal, state, and local government 473 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 4: must work together like what we did in the old 474 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: days of Cold War, to face through reality of China's 475 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 4: a pergssive inference in America and with incredibly un American conditions. Right, 476 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 4: So that's why we have to be We cannot really 477 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: deal with China purity from a transactional, managerial or business perspective. 478 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 4: We must deal this with the with in mind every 479 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 4: minute while China is up to. 480 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: But we it seems as though we're playing footee with 481 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: China because we've got Secretary of State Lincoln going over 482 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: there waiting to be called in. Let me just see 483 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: if the president's going to see me. I'll just wait 484 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: at his beck and call. That looks pretty weak. You've 485 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: got John Kerry over there saying, oh, we think that 486 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: they're going to do something on climate. They haven't done 487 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: anything on climate. In fact, they're commissioning new cold plants 488 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: twice a week right now. I mean they are increasing 489 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: their energy ability, their ability to produce energy at. 490 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: A crazy rate. 491 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: And it seems as though that has something to do 492 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: with not only manufacturing, but power, because it takes a 493 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: lot of energy to make military equipment. So why does 494 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: the Biden administration continue to play foot seat with China? 495 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: I think they still hard of the illusion that China 496 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 4: is going to be a cooperative with the unice is 497 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 4: if we. 498 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: Were nicer to them. This is a policy of appeacement. 499 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you cannot appeasement policies based on the philosophy 500 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 4: that if you're nicer to a bully, bully will stop 501 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 4: in a bully that failed in nineteen thirties, right, We 502 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 4: know that for a fact, and the world as a 503 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: result paid big price for it. 504 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 3: Now. 505 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that the Biden team is completely 506 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: sort of carrying out the policy of appeacement, but I 507 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 4: do know that they try to prevent a shooting war. 508 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: And that's why Blinking went to China, which I think 509 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: is right move right. He will go there, But you 510 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 4: have to You also have to really understand that at 511 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 4: this point of the game, China needs the United States 512 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 4: much more than United States needs China. Having said all that, 513 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: we have said, how China is strong and active I 514 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: penetrate the American market because Chinese economy, China's the military 515 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: are heavily dependent upon Western technologies. 516 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 517 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: And I think you know, both the Biding team and 518 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 4: the Trump team are doing an okay job right in 519 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 4: extra expert control uh to stop the sensitive technology from 520 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: going to China. 521 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: Uh. 522 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 4: But I think we should really really uh be uh 523 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 4: uh negotiate with China with strength and the patent optics. 524 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 4: And the United States of America should not look pathetic 525 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 4: to the rest of the world for many reasons. Is 526 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: uh uh sort of by default or by uh. 527 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 3: By our own action. 528 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 4: United States is a country of consequence uh in world 529 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 4: peace and global security. So we should not think very 530 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 4: very uh shabby of ourselves. And the idea that America 531 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 4: is in decline is total nonsense. As an immigrant, I 532 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 4: know America has an incredible bright future. Uh. The only 533 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: thing that can defeat America is ourselves is ourselves losing 534 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 4: our beliefs in our own strengths and our advantages. Uh So, listen, 535 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 4: you know there are millions and millions of Chinese aspiring 536 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 4: to come to the United States to be free. And 537 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 4: you asked me how many of the Americans really try 538 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 4: to go to China. 539 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: Uh, to to be their citizen, to be enslaved. 540 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 4: So uh the but the idea that America is a 541 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 4: country of staaten racism, is a country of all kinds 542 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 4: of mortal and morbid. 543 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: Sort of pathology, is absolutely absurd. 544 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 4: So we should restore confidence in ourselves like what President 545 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: Reagan did in nineteen eighties. 546 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: I like your attitude there. I think that's so important. 547 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: It's something that we try to tell people all the time. 548 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: We're very fortunate. It's something I tell my kids all 549 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: the time. We are so fortunate to live here. 550 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: And I think that. 551 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: A lot of the younger generations out there are feeling 552 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: like the sky is falling. We've been in worse situations, 553 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: but we are still very strong. And it was great 554 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: to have you on today. So wonderful to have this 555 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: conversation because I think it just explained a lot. 556 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: Of the things that people hear on the news. 557 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: They don't get the chance to really have that stretched 558 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: out in a longer conversation, and I appreciate you. 559 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here, Doctor Miles. You, thank you, 560 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: thank you for having me, Thank. 561 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: You all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 562 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: As always, for this episode and others, go to tutordisonpodcast 563 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 2: dot com. 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