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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to what Future. I'm your host, Joshua

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Speaker 1: to Pulsky And I don't know if you know this, Lyra,

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Speaker 1: but I used to have a job where I ran

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Speaker 1: a bunch of websites and I launched some new websites.

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Speaker 1: One of the websites I launched was Gawker relaunched gawker

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Speaker 1: dot com if you heard of it, I have Gawker,

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Speaker 1: very famous, very controversial website was sued out of existence

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Speaker 1: by Peter Teal using Hulk Hogan as a vehicle. Um

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Speaker 1: I'd like you to get a mental image of like

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Speaker 1: Peter Teal sort of using Hulk Cogan as a skateboard

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Speaker 1: sort of the way I'd like to think about it. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: now I'll probably get suited by Peter Teel of existence.

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Speaker 1: But anyhow, Gawker was shut down through some like really

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Speaker 1: wild light lawsuit stuff that was unprecedented. And and then um,

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Speaker 1: I was purchased by this guy, Brian Goldberg I used

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Speaker 1: to work for, and he you know, has like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I owned docer now, and like what sh we do

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Speaker 1: with it? And then eventually we were like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you could relaunch it? And I started working with this

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Speaker 1: editor Leah Finnigan. Leah Finnigan, who has worked with me

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Speaker 1: at The Outline, which was a website that I started,

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Speaker 1: uh and as a brilliant editor and super smart and

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Speaker 1: has become a friend over many years of us working together,

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Speaker 1: has attended more than one Thanksgiving dinner at my house

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Speaker 1: and uh, She's a great, incredible person. But I haven't

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Speaker 1: really liked seeing Lee or talked to her. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not at the company anymore, and Gawker's off doing

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Speaker 1: its thing, and I haven't talked to Lee in a

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Speaker 1: really long time. And the other day I was I

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Speaker 1: would say reminiscing, but I think you when you reminisce,

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Speaker 1: you have to do it out loud. I think, but

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Speaker 1: can you reminisce to yourself or does it have to

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Speaker 1: be out loud? This is a great question. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to have the answer to that. And I'm just

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Speaker 1: now I'm just sort of thinking out loud. I mean,

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Speaker 1: now that you're asking, I'm wondering. I'm wondering too. I

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Speaker 1: was reminiscing about Leah and thinking about you know how

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Speaker 1: podcast and we should chat because, frankly, like not for

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Speaker 1: a super specific reason that we are in like Awards season,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of Like has been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of really funny celebrity coverage lately, and I mean always,

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Speaker 1: the podcast to reconnect with my with my old friend

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Speaker 1: and colleague, Lea Finn again. So we got her to

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Speaker 1: agree to come on the show. But before we start talking,

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Speaker 1: can you reminisce internally? I didn't get a good answer. Really,

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Speaker 1: I got an article saying there are six types of reminiscing,

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Speaker 1: but only three are good for you. See, this is how,

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Speaker 1: this is how the content machine has ruined in form

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Speaker 1: nation in the century. The powers that be in the

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Speaker 1: technology world have created a prison of information where you

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Speaker 1: think you've unlocked the cage, but then a new set

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Speaker 1: is poisoned the soul of humanity. Anyhow, let's let's talk

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Speaker 1: to you. So the Golden Globes happened last night? Yeah

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Speaker 1: they did. Did you watch them, I did. Did you

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Speaker 1: kind of strange. We wrote a piece for Gawker dot com,

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Speaker 1: of which I am the editor. Yes, your website. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: about the vibes being off. I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: just want to chill out. I think what you're saying

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Speaker 1: is you want Ricky Gervais back, is what you're trying

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Speaker 1: one like number from Hamilton's or Cats. Either one of

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Speaker 1: right is? But why not? Just like you think they

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Speaker 1: intersperse it with Broadway numbers. Your idea, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: I thought the vibes were off. I like Gerard Carmichael

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Speaker 1: Feel like you and I have talked about this, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, probably we have written on more than one

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm old. I can't speak for everybody. You

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget six point two five million the second

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Speaker 1: well placed. Of course, he's a great art. We have

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Speaker 1: It was just a very different time, and now it's

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Speaker 1: it's brand new year. You are the editor in chief

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Speaker 1: place where Gawker dot com is hosted. Very very sad.

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Speaker 1: I know it must be very depressing every day you

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Speaker 1: I it's got to be a powerful and upsetting feeling

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Speaker 1: for Gawker right now, Like there's a lot of absurdity.

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Speaker 1: The political landscape is nightmarish, but not like it was previously.

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Speaker 1: there you go? Yeah, shutting the door? What a novel concept. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: a wonderful website that I mean, really, you raised from

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. I was asleep during that entire thing.

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Speaker 1: have a copy of Spare you must right? Um? Yeah,

421
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Speaker 1: I got it on Kindle, but it's been like too

422
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: emotionally taxing to dig into it. I might have to

423
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: wait a few years. I literally when we put it on,

424
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: I was like, who fucking cares about these guys? Like

425
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: I don't know why I would spend one second and

426
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: then like half an hour into the first episode or whatever,

427
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: I was like, you're sobbing is so fascinating? Well no,

428
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: but it's it's just so weird, right, Like they're like, oh,

429
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: we met on Instagram or whatever, and maybe this is

430
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: all a made up thing, Like I don't know, maybe

431
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: that's like an invented but like it's not a normal

432
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: narrative for the Royal Family that like people meet on Instagram.

433
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: So I feel like I don't know. And then the

434
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Speaker 1: whole thing with you know, all of England being racist

435
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Speaker 1: towards her is like fascinating and the Royal family being

436
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: racist towards her, and I mean two things can be

437
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Speaker 1: true at once, and as much as the British press

438
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: is noxious and weird and just awful and the Royal

439
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: family is you know, full of inbred just idiots, didn't

440
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: like literally didn't go to school, correct, But also I

441
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: find Megan Marco one of the most grading people alive today.

442
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: Really huh. Yeah, she's the kind of person who's like,

443
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned about issues and rights. Right, Okay, you mean

444
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: you think her she's she's so in love with this

445
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: with this prince who's just dumb. Yeah, I mean is

446
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: he dumb or is he um, you know, not that smart?

447
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a there's a distinction. I

448
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I there's there is a vagueness

449
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: to her um I guess concerns or whatever her like

450
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, causes. But like, also again, I think they're

451
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: very charming and I love hearing about the like inside

452
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: of their relationship in this whole world that they occupy,

453
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: and frankly like his childhood and stuff about his mom,

454
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: which really, like I have to stress. Up until the

455
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: Netflix documentary, I had no interest in, Like, we tried

456
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Speaker 1: to watch The Crown and I was like, I don't

457
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Speaker 1: care like this is not interesting to me. I don't

458
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Speaker 1: care about these people like they're having a bad time, Like, well,

459
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Speaker 1: they're fucking royalty. So I'm sure that their worst bad

460
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Speaker 1: time they're having is better than like the best time

461
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Speaker 1: that I've ever had, you know what I mean, Like

462
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Speaker 1: the worst moment for Harry, it's probably better than any

463
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: moment I'll ever experience in my life. So everything I

464
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: know about managing I learned from the Queen, from watching

465
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Speaker 1: The Crown the best. The best thing was sometimes no

466
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: decision is a decision that's very good. Do you employ

467
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Speaker 1: that during the editorial meetings of Gawker? Just wat But

468
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: it's a comfort to know that I can employ that

469
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Speaker 1: when I'm talking to Winston Churchill or someone like him. Sure, yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: Winston Churchill who had horrible gout or something? Right he

471
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: was at any rate, I need to go into that

472
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Speaker 1: horrible gout, very bad gout. I could barely walk. I'm

473
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Speaker 1: not sure if he had gout or not. Actually, to

474
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: be honest with anyhow, but one thing that does bother

475
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: me about Hary Megan is that they say h and am.

476
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I think when they talk about each other, like she'll

477
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: be like h and it's like his name is Harry,

478
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Speaker 1: Like you could just say it, like we all know

479
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: who you're talking about, like one say the full name.

480
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it's easier it's a single syllable. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We had a we actually had a very good post

482
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Speaker 1: about that on gawker dot com about them saying H

483
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: and M. No. It was before this. It was about

484
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: how it's really annoying when people call their significant others

485
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: by their initial Yeah, it is an unusual practice that

486
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't fully understand. If I'm reading an essay where

487
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: they do that, I'm automatically disinterested and turned off. See

488
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: it makes me think automatically, like I'm thinking about the

489
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: sex diaries that they publish on New York Magazine, where

490
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: they're always I feel like they're always like H called

491
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: and wants to go out tonight or whatever. It's like

492
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: they have or they have these like weird code names

493
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: for people, which like seems very unnatural. Like if you're

494
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: in my experience, if you're in a relationship with someone,

495
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: you don't typically have a code name that you use

496
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: publicly for them. You might have a pet name that

497
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: you use in private situations, you know, like snick or

498
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Speaker 1: doodle or whatever. But for the record, I've never called

499
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: anybody's neckerdoodle, nor will I ever. But that seems like

500
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: the kind of thing you might use in private. But

501
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: like having like a just a letter or whatever, it

502
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: seems unusual to me. It's off putting. It's impersonal, right,

503
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: Like if if somebody were to refer to you as

504
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: l on a regular basis, that would it would be strange,

505
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: even if it was not like a romantic situation. Just

506
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: any like why you know, it's not a nickname, Like

507
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: if you had a nickname, it's a different story. Okay,

508
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: So Harry and Megan anyhow I was, I was just

509
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: caught up in their story, you know, of the romance

510
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: and then all the the stuff that happened in England

511
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: and they had to leave, and and then I started

512
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: hearing about this book that Harry has put out again.

513
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm not going to read the book.

514
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I watched the documentary. They seemed, you know, interesting,

515
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: like I get learned a lot about how horrible the

516
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: British you know, royal family is um. But then his

517
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: in his book, he's detailing a lot of strange stuff.

518
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: It seems like like he killed a ton of people

519
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, he said, right, like twenty five people. Like

520
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: that on its own is a crazy fact to think about.

521
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 1: For when when you think about Harry, he's just this

522
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: like redheaded, like British royal family avatar, you know, like, oh,

523
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: he's like kind of the dumb younger brother or whatever.

524
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: That's his thing. But now I know he's like a

525
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: mass murderer, yes, and completely unconcerned about it. He's more

526
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, traumatized by like his brother not paying enough

527
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: attention to him than he is by killing twenty people. Right, Well,

528
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: I can understand that uma with an older brother. I

529
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: think you you you long for their friendship, you don't

530
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: have that experience sometimes when you don't get there, when

531
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Speaker 1: you don't get their love and affection later in life,

532
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: you have to kill people. That's just that's just a fact.

533
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: And then I guess he's that he did drugs according

534
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: to Cox's house. Yeah, I don't know this is You're

535
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: not interested in this at all. You don't care, No,

536
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I am. I think it's I always rooted for him,

537
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: But I think Megan is just like so syrupy in

538
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: a way that offends my sensibilities. I'm a dedicated Post

539
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: reader now, because are you? Yeah, because you know, the

540
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: New York Times is an arm of the Trump administration.

541
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: So I've switched to the Post. Definitely think that interesting. Yeah,

542
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: that's so interesting. Case. I started getting the paper delivered

543
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: again on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and I have to say,

544
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's good or anything, but I do

545
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: find that I'm like experiencing stories that I would otherwise.

546
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I guess you could get the Post delivered. They still

547
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: make a paper, right, the Washington Post. I just think

548
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: the Post congressional reporting is far superior to the Times.

549
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: That's my haughty opinion. Yeah, I find the Washington Post

550
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: general output to be so full of spam and weird

551
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: like hot takes that it's like I tend to ignore

552
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: most of their real reporting, which is a problem. Again,

553
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: that's on you, no, but I feel like it's they've

554
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: cluttered the messaging of what the Washington Post is with

555
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: like a lot of random ship Like I feel like

556
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a little bit like a Forbes whoever, whoever,

557
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the whatever the site is, where they just will publish

558
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: anybody's stuff, like they'll just you can just write anything

559
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: for them. I feel like Forbes is one of those

560
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: websites now, but like where you're like, I don't am

561
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I reading like a real person's writing or is this

562
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: like of thinly veiled ad for like a new razor?

563
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: You know? Okay, So the Washington Post has a section

564
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: called Inspired Life. Well, I guess it's a column and

565
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's just beautiful stories about humanity. Like today

566
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: they wrote about that dog bus in Alaska where all

567
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: the dogs get on the bus. Oh, that was the

568
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: one where I saw there's like a there's like a

569
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Speaker 1: meme of the dogs getting on the bus right, and

570
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: they're like, hijake, these dogs ride a bus like humans,

571
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: And now the internet is in love. Yeah, so this

572
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: is just like buzzfeeds beautiful. This is just a buzz

573
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: food page. It's like Upworthy, but it's better written. And

574
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, they're like man discovers that his kidney is

575
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: compatible with dying Olympic superstar or whatever. Is that a

576
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: real story to you? Just make that up? I just

577
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: made that up. But do you actually like this? Do

578
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you really like this? I do? Yeah? Oh, I guess

579
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: I subscribed to The Washington Post as well, digitally interesting.

580
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Just so flagrant with my spending on news that I

581
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: don't even realize that I'm I'm also subscribed to this

582
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: so interesting. This is you legitimately like this section? Yes,

583
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: I love it. The Washington Post has great advice columns,

584
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: like they have my favorite advice column, Miss Manners. They

585
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: have a Miss Manners. If you're not reading Miss Manners,

586
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing. I'm not reading Miss Manners.

587
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: But let me give you a few. I want to

588
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: give you a few headlines from Inspired Life from the

589
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: section hundred year old woman makes custom jackets by hand

590
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and gives them away. Amazing handmade blankets for homeless, crafted

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00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: with quote love come to Capitol Hill. I don't know

592
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: why they. I don't know why they put love in

593
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: quotes there. But Captain Sir Tom Moore's family is doing

594
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: what they can to fill his shoes. Was no. This

595
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: dog has collected more than a thousand littered plastic bottles.

596
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: That one was really good. Are you really reading these? Huh? Yeah?

597
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: So strange. The dog is collecting these on purpose. M h.

598
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: They don't think the dog knows that it's recycling or whatever. Right,

599
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: The dog definitely knows and understands the concept of recycling.

600
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: The dog is like, we've got to stop polluting the

601
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: planet Earth. Let me help. Yeah, the dog is like

602
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: all these bottles wolf oh man. Okay, this is I'm

603
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: really learning a lot about you. Okay, So, Miss Manners,

604
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Speaker 1: you're saying, that's another section of the Washington Post that

605
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I should be reading. Okay, this is like, this is interesting.

606
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: You and I are just doing like a little bit

607
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: of a media tour, like just kind of traveling around

608
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: the media landscape. All right, I'm looking at miss Manners. Now.

609
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if this makes for a compelling podcast,

610
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: but I'm certainly learning a lot. Miss Manner. I don't

611
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: feel comfortable using the term baby mama. Okay, go back

612
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: one more day. There was a really good one. You're saying,

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00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: go back a day. What was the topic from a

614
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: day ago? Yeah, there's one on like, um, a candelabra.

615
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh my god. Miss Manners is displaying an

616
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Speaker 1: unused candelabra, a decorative faux pap. Dear, Miss Manners, I

617
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: have a lovely silver candelabra that is a family piece.

618
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: I keep it on display on a sideboard in my

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Speaker 1: dining room with white taper candles. It is purely decorative.

620
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I have never had the occasion to use it for

621
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Speaker 1: its intended purpose. At a shower at my house, one

622
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: of my friends took me aside to tell me that

623
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Speaker 1: I was committing a decorating slash etiquette faux pap by

624
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: having unlit candles in the candelabra. She said that I

625
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: should at least present the appearance that the candelabraa was

626
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Speaker 1: used if I were going to display it. These are

627
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: problems real people have, Josh, real people, this is some

628
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: heavy ship. I don't know if they are this is

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely. It's raising questions and making people

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00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: making me feel ways that I haven't felt in a

631
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: long time, just out of curiosity. Do you think the

632
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: friend was right? Yeah, well I have a candle labra.

633
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: If you're not going to use it, I mean, I

634
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: think that's kind of like to me, that's a question

635
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: about life really when you think of it. Absolutely, isn't

636
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: a candle labra there to be to be populated with

637
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: candles and lit to illuminate a space. And if if

638
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: it's not for that, what is the purpose? I guess

639
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: you could say you you could admire. No, or just

640
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: like a candle labra is not just for Jews. I

641
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: mean lots of people use candle labros. But like, I

642
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: guess you could just say, I like the way the

643
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: candle labara looks. Isn't that enough for people? Don't you think? No,

644
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: there's a code and Miss Manners follows it. Okay, it's

645
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: very sharp, Miss Manner. Seems like it's written by several people. Also,

646
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: by the way, it's written by a woman and her

647
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: daughter and her son. I think it's nepotism. This is

648
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of neppo babies, right, yeah, exactly right, speak

649
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: of nappo babies. Great segue to the napa baby controversy.

650
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: How where where do you come down on napa babies.

651
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't care. You don't have a preference, you're no

652
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: strong opinion. I mean it's always interesting and kind of

653
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: comforting to find out someone's a nappo baby. Maybe you're

654
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: competing against them for something, or you're jealous of them

655
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: for some reason, and you find out their dad is

656
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: so and so, and you're like, oh, got it? Okay, right,

657
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean, can you think of anybody that you're in

658
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: competition with or that you are envious of or something.

659
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to name names. Okay, you don't have

660
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: the name names. But have you discovered that somebody that

661
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: you might consider a rival or that you're in competition

662
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: with is a NAPA baby? Yeah? Really recently, you know,

663
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: as funny is um. I think people think William Finnegan

664
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: from The New Yorker is my father. I did lean

665
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: into this by when he wanted I think a Politz

666
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: that I tweeted congrats to my father, and then the

667
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Pulitzer organization retweeted it. So I think I contributed to

668
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: this myth. No, are you serious? Wow? I encouraged this myth.

669
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: But he's not my father. My father is a math

670
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 1: teacher in Illinois, a college math teacher, right high school,

671
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: high school. There's no NAPA baby scenario where your father

672
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: is a calculus teacher in high school and somehow you

673
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: unless you become a calculus teacher in high school. Yes,

674
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: I clawed my way to New York and I'm still

675
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: holding on. There's no appotism in your family, correct, No,

676
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: there's none in yours either. No. No, my family is

677
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: complete trash on every level. Nobody's no successful people. Nobody

678
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: to hand us a break whatsoever. Quite the opposite. Actually,

679
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I've had it the worst or anything.

680
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: I certainly have that My parents are lovely, but they're

681
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: clinically insane, and as you know, you you know my parents,

682
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: they're lovely, lovely people. Uh so fun if you're not

683
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: their child, I think, like the most fun. But definitely

684
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: did not create any environments that would that made it

685
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: easy for me to do whatever it is that I do.

686
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: There was no like on ramp like my dad, you know,

687
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: my dad's old snack food for a living, like distributed

688
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: snack food out of a van. He didn't have a

689
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: podcast about snacks. You didn't have a podcast. He didn't

690
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: start any media companies. He was not an editor or

691
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: writer anywhere. No nothing there at all. So I guess

692
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit when it comes to the

693
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Neva babies. I do feel a little bit, like you know,

694
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: it's not envy exactly, but I wonder what it might

695
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: be like to have options presented as kind of readily

696
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: available that other people would have to work very hard for, like,

697
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: because you know, like there are many people in our world,

698
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: in the media world, who are other product of nepotism

699
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: and maybe your rival that you were just talking about

700
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: your company. Maybe I wish and say your rival, but

701
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: your compety titian that you won't name. I think it

702
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: comes with a lot of complexes, and I'm actually glad

703
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't have that. And you have to feel like

704
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: you can you surpass your parents? Yeah, slam dunk, mission accomplished.

705
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: It must be a horrible feeling. I'm so glad I

706
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 1: don't have to think about that because I can't even

707
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: do any math. Oh you mean if you're if you're

708
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: a nappo baby, you have to be like, can I

709
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: be better? Like if you're Steve Martin son or whatever,

710
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I ever be well? I ever do

711
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: anything as funny as wearing the arrow head thing? Right,

712
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: wasn't that his thing? He wore like it was like

713
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: an arrow through his head? Yeah? Sure, I don't know. Okay,

714
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: you're not a Steve Martin fan. Have you read his

715
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: book Shop Girl? I like I like the jerk. That's

716
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: not he didn't. I don't think he did. He write that.

717
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: He wrote a serious and he's the star of the jerk.

718
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: I know I've seen it. I've seen the jerk many times.

719
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: But have you read shop Girl his novel? Yes? I did.

720
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: Did you like it? I liked it? Okay? Alright, anyhow, okay,

721
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: any final thoughts here? I think we gotta wrap. This

722
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: is a successful podcast. I know it's hard to say.

723
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: It's hard to say I've enjoyed it. Will it be

724
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: a podcast that's anybody's guests? I mean, I'm always I'm

725
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: always honored to talk to you about current events. We

726
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: haven't talked in a long time, and I mean we

727
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: haven't talked like as just as friends, which we could

728
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: do whenever we want, but we haven't. And we haven't

729
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: worked together in a long time. I mean it's been

730
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: like nine months or ten months or I don't know

731
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: how long it's been since we last worked together, a

732
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: very long time. And and so I was just curious,

733
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: like what's going on in your world? I get I

734
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of missed, you know, like I don't get to

735
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: hear what's happening in Gawka every day, so I sort

736
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: of missed that. I'm like constantly impressed and like amused

737
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: and interested in the things that Gawker is doing, but

738
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: I do feel like I'm at a remove. You know,

739
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: you don't invite me to any dinners, gawker dinners or anything.

740
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: It's fine, I'm not I don't feel upset about it

741
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: out of the fold choice. And honestly, most of the

742
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: time I was invited to dinner, I bailed, So I

743
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: think it's it's understandable that I wouldn't continue to be invited.

744
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: I do wonder, you know, not really a nappa baby thing,

745
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: but I always wonder if I should schmooze more. You know, like,

746
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not very good at schmoozing. You're not.

747
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: You're not really big on schmoozing either. You don't like

748
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: to schmooz. I'm gonna You don't like to attend parties

749
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: and like strike up conversations with people not really know.

750
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: You don't enjoy being the center of attention sometimes they

751
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: do you do? Sure? M hmm? Interesting? I am a leo. Yeah,

752
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: you know what that means, not really love attention. I'm not,

753
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: is that true? M hm hmm. Interesting. I mean I

754
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: feel like if you do like to be the center

755
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: of attention, you communicate that in a very subtle way.

756
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: I feel like that you don't come off strongly as

757
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: a person who wants to be like, have you know

758
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: a spotlight on them? I'm succeeding. Okay, yeah, commission accomplished.

759
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: But I feel like, you know, if you're a Nappa baby,

760
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: you probably have to shmoo is as much either, right,

761
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: They just put you on the conveyor belt to success.

762
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: It's like a thing like they have the supermarket. But

763
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: when you get to the end of that, you get

764
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: a TV show or a writing job on SNL or whatever.

765
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: My favorite Nappo babies in the Nepo baby list are

766
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: the guys who are the SNL guys. They're amazing there.

767
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: I think they're very funny guys. I think they are

768
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: legitimately funny. Clearly they grew up in you know, the

769
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: presence of comedians. I should clarify. I don't think they're

770
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: amazing because they're good at their jobs. I think it's

771
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: just amazing that they are so explicitly Nepo babies. Yeah,

772
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting. I've always thought it was weird,

773
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: like personally, and maybe it makes sense if your dad

774
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: has a job, Like my dad's job never appealed to me,

775
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: like I wasn't like it would be great to drive around,

776
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, delivering snack food to people. And I'm not

777
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: saying he I don't think he loved it, but he

778
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: did it and it was fine. It's hard to imagine

779
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: having like a situation where you're like, oh, my dad's

780
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: like a writer for a comedy show or something, or

781
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: like my dad's on TV, and like that's what I'm

782
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna do. Like I feel like you reject that. Like

783
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's a child's natural inclination to

784
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: reject becoming like their parents. But then what is a

785
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: child of a celebrity d sells neck food? Yeah? Maybe

786
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: how does the universe balance out? Yeah? I don't know.

787
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: It's like when Daniel dey Lewis quit acting he became

788
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: a cobbler. You know, maybe it's like you have to

789
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: experience something like that first. I don't know. I don't.

790
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: Let's ask Jacob Dilan. You know what's he up to

791
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: these days? Jacob Dylan did? He spend a lot of

792
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: time not wanting to become a musician and then was

793
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: finally like, well, I can't do anything else or I'm

794
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: not going to make it at any other category. You

795
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: write one great song and just fade away. That's the dream. Yes,

796
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: one headlight the name of the song, one song, one

797
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: headlight that one headlight. Your dad has a hundred million dollars.

798
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: You're totally chill, You're fine. Yeah, that's the life alright.

799
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Any final words for the listener? Um, Baby just bark.

800
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: She's barking a little again. Baby has time to wrap up.

801
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Follow Baby on Instagram. Read Gagger dot com, Josh, I'll

802
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: talk to you. M're doing oh man, so many great things,

803
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: so much stuff to talk about. I'll be honest with you.

804
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: I expected Leah to have a I don't know why,

805
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: a slightly more positive opinion of Harry and Megan. I

806
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: guess I thought for some reason. And again, I honestly

807
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: don't know why I thought this, but that when I

808
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: said that I liked Harry and Megan, she would agree

809
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: with me, and she didn't. I mean, she doesn't dislike them.

810
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like, well, actually she maybe doesn't love Megan.

811
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. Just generally speaking, I don't

812
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: know why. I feel like everybody's been won over by

813
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: Harry and Megan. That's I guess that's my problem. I

814
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: have some kind of damage that. Again, I'm not like

815
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: hanging posters of Harry and Megan in the in the

816
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: house or something. But I surprised myself in being like

817
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: weirdly won over by their kind of I don't know,

818
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: like maybe I bought into the pr bullshit. They seem

819
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: just really like real people. And also I just feel

820
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: like we get this peak. I don't know, it's so

821
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: interesting that they're even doing the thing they're doing that

822
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: going like, oh, here's what's really going on. But maybe

823
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: that's the and Leah sort of suggested this, that's the

824
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: whole game, that this is all in act? Is it

825
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: all in act? It's just like they come back to

826
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: the Royal family in a few seasons, like you know

827
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, um, it's like a character

828
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: on like a TV show who's like goes evil, you know,

829
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, they turn to evil,

830
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: but then somehow they come back to like the good side.

831
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Because it's all just like these this is the reverse

832
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: of that, right, They're like, we're they went good, but

833
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: it's just for a few seasons, and the like the

834
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: fans are going to be like, we demand that they

835
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: be come back to the Royal family as like part

836
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: of the evil operation, you know, like maybe in maybe

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Speaker 1: in their later years, they'll be like, Wow, this is

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Speaker 1: really working out. I don't know anyhow, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was interesting that that she had a not a strong negative,

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Speaker 1: but just not a strong positive. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: they've taken the world by storm. Everybody's just charmed. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you they have not charmed my house. Nobody's charmed

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Speaker 1: over there. You don't find Harry Megan charming. No, but

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Netflix. I just saw a clip

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Speaker 1: where like an interviewer asked Megan what TV shows they're watching,

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Speaker 1: and then she took five minutes to say that they

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Speaker 1: don't watch TV, but then to say that there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of incredible TV happening out there, and then ultimately

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Speaker 1: said white lettis, I don't remember that at all. I

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Speaker 1: do think the documentary is interesting. I do think that

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00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: there's some fascinating sort of behind the scenes stuff there

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Speaker 1: that I've certainly never seen or heard. And maybe, like

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Speaker 1: I'm more affected because they go into a bit about

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Speaker 1: Harry's childhood and Diana and the relationship between the royal

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Speaker 1: family and the press. They go into a lot and

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Speaker 1: for me, as like a media guy, this is really

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Speaker 1: interesting They talk a lot about the relationship between the

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Speaker 1: press and the royal family and how coordinated they are

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Speaker 1: and how like what's really odd and it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like upsetting is like how when Harry and William are kids,

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Speaker 1: like how much they're part of the whole thing, And uh,

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Speaker 1: that part I thought was really affecting. It kind of

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00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, it put a spin on all of it,

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Speaker 1: like in a way that I hadn't really felt before,

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Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, there's like some there's something here

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Speaker 1: more than just like Harry doesn't like being a royal anymore.

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Speaker 1: Harry wants a break free of his big brother. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to be the king, so he wants out

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Speaker 1: of there. And it was a little bit more like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's something legitimately weird about the way this kid was

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Speaker 1: brought up, Not obviously because he's like a prince in England,

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Speaker 1: but there's something legitimately upsetting about the way he was

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Speaker 1: treated as a child. Like that you can kind of

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Speaker 1: see they have like footage of and stuff, and it's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that I mean that. The Oprah interview when they explained

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Speaker 1: that they basically sat them down and said that they

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Speaker 1: were no longer going to have security. Yeah, after like

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00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: years of threats and once they had children. That to me,

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Speaker 1: I was that that was like the most affecting thing

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00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: that I heard from that, the idea that they then

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Speaker 1: they had had like death threats against their baby, they

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Speaker 1: are no longer going to protect them. It's scary. It's

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Speaker 1: really weird. I mean, it's it's it's truly like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard. I guess it's again it's hard to feel

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Speaker 1: sympathetic for like the royal family. It is like it's

886
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Speaker 1: definitely tough to be do not go well. You definitely

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Speaker 1: may have some unusual or uncomfortable situations or some even

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Speaker 1: horrible ones, but like also you have fifteen colonies or

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Speaker 1: whatever that you own, you know, or have previously owned,

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Speaker 1: where you're like on the money. So it's sort of like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how bad could it be. It seems bad,

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00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: but like it's degrees of badness because like I said,

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