WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: The Punisher, The Mama, The Assistant and The Detective 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.200 Hello everyone, It's Wednesday, May twenty first time Amy Roboc 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.039 along with my partner TJ. Holmes, and as we record 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.200 this podcast, it is another day of testimony. It is 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.959 underway in the Sean Diddycombs trial that's happening just a 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.799 few blocks from us here in Lower Manhattan. And yeah, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.240 we are in the full swing of the second full 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.560 week of testimony in the Diddy trial. And as we've 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.920 been doing here on this podcast, we're going to update 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.880 you on the latest full day of testimony that's already 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.839 in the books. And yesterday's full day, how would you 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:35.720 describe it, TJ? 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.760 It included testimony about viagra pills that Sean Combs took 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.840 that were in the shape of President Obama's face. That's 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.800 what yesterday was. That detail came out. So guys, the 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.519 word that's another day of doozyes on the witness stand. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.560 We're talking about such serious stuff, but we got so 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.000 many details like this, little details that were just kind 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.120 of mind blowing. But the main people understand, yesterday you 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.720 had a Homeland Security agent, you had Casie Ventura's mom, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.679 and then you had this male escort who goes by 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.039 the name Punisher. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.120 All of them were on the stand. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.160 So I don't know how you go about this stuff 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:17.800 is it's heartbreaking, it's difficult to hear, and it's jaw dropping. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.800 Well someone makes you scratch you. Hey, we'll get into 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:20.199 this later. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.959 But yes, viagra pills in the shape of President Obama's face. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:24.480 How they were ecstasy pills? 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.360 I think it's ecstasy pills in the shape of Barack 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:29.040 Obama's face. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:29.600 But there were so. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.360 Many pills and drugs, and they called it medicines. He 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.039 had a medicine bag filled with all these pills. And 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.760 I think a lot of people were taking these pills 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.800 and didn't even know which ones they were taking. That's 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.560 viagra and ecstasy all in one. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.440 That detail is just wild. Why do we have Why 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.160 is anybody making pills in the shape of president? 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.080 I had to read that in a couple of different 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.320 publications to make sure I was reading it correctly. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.320 See, we're caught up on that. That's not even the 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.120 that's not the biggest deal in here. But you're learning 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.360 these things about the life, the lifestyle, the world. We've 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.360 talked to a lot of people said, this is a 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.480 different world. You cannot even begin to understand. Once you 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.600 get in this guy's orbit. So we got a lot 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.279 about that yesterday. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.400 Yeah, and it's all unraveling in a courtroom for the 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.120 world to hear. And I think there is a collective 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.560 jaw drop just from every day what is trickling out. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.400 But yeah, the day started with David James, the former 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.160 assistant to Diddy. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.680 And he described what his job was. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.560 It was basically to make sure the environment surrounding Diddy 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.359 was exactly as Diddy wanted it, and that included prepping 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:37.040 hotel rooms for him before these freakofs took place. And 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.640 he said he had to make sure there were forty 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.560 different types of skin care products available for Diddy in 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.919 these hotel rooms. He had to make sure that there 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.280 was fresh underwear. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.160 Like what other kind would there be? 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.400 But yes, they say fresh fresh underwear. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.360 Yeah, just because you know you might need like multiple 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.840 need a change you Oh my goodness. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.920 And that's just ew iPads slides. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.080 Maybe he likes hokahs like I do. Yes, his shoes 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.880 he had to have a particular pair of slides in there. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:09.920 Apple sauce. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.760 Now that got me. I fell the detail later, like, okay, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.000 that's his snack of choice. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.519 And you like it. Maybe it has a lot of sugar. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.400 It helps recharged when you're in a four day sex 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.519 spreakoff party. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.920 But the attorney said later Sean Diddy Combs likes to 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.720 put apple sauce on his cheeseburgers. Okay, that detail came out. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:32.320 Yeah, it's what. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.080 Jello Fiji water, not just any kind of water. And yes, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.160 this medicine bag that we were just referencing with up 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:44.000 to forty different pill bottles, including meds to increase his 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.480 sperm count. And yes, some of the pills did have 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:48.920 Obama's face stamped on it. 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.600 I read ecstasy, you read viagra. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.560 Maybe it was both, maybe it was a little I 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.600 don't even understand what that's all about. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.880 Does it matter? I really have that question. This is 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:04.360 a freak off and Obama's face is in the pill bag? 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:06.160 What is this? 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.480 President Obama deals with a lot of stuff, a lot 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.240 of heat from Republicans, a lot of criticism. This has 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:15.960 got to hurt worse than all of. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:20.120 It associated with this way to say keep my name 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:26.359 out of your mouth, keep my face out of your mouth. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:27.640 Basically is what. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.760 That was, which can mean a whole lot of things. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.120 We talked about free cast. This is insanity. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.560 So yes, we're hung up on that detail for weird Rea, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.040 but yes, you can't help but think. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.960 What was going on in theess? 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.240 All right, the David James, the assistant and can you 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.200 have you seen how old is this fellow? 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.360 He looks like he's in mid. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.680 Okay, so a really young at the time, he was 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.160 probably his early twenties. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:54.800 Yes, many years. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.360 Yeah, it was one of his first jobs. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.640 I think he was, you know, went in for the interview, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.599 gave I I think there was a report that he 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.440 said he repeated back one of Ditty's wrap lines to 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.080 him and that got Diddy to say, you know I 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:08.920 want you So. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.680 How exciting must it have been for this young kid 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.720 say I am working for Sean Combs. How exciting was that? 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.440 And this is the stuff he ends up doing, buying 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.159 baby oil, condoms and lubricants. Now, he bought a bunch 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.800 of stuff for these parties, but in particular when it 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.240 came to the baby oil, to the condoms, to the lubricants, 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.200 the astroglad and all that stuff, he said he was 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.520 not reimbursed by the company. He was paid cash out 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.360 of a Louisvuitton bag that did he like to carry around. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.599 But the other things medicine and snacks things, I guess 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.640 that look more official on a receipt that he actually 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.960 was reimbursed from the company Bad Boy. So even that detail, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.440 as you know he was thinking about somebody was thinking 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:48.720 about keeping things separate. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.160 Yes, and to that point you ask, why do all 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.039 of these details matter. I mean, yes, they're salacious, Yes 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.000 they're headline grabbing, But what the prosecution is actually doing 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.800 is trying to establish that racketeering charge that they have 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.960 against Ditty, which would require that they. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.279 Show he had people doing his illegal bidding. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.040 We even heard James testify that he went to a 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.680 yacht in Santrup. How do you say it, Sentrope, Yes, 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:20.159 I'm sorry, Sanrope, to go get cocaine off of a 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.919 yacht to bring it back to Ditty. So he's talking 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.360 about how he's having him go do massively illegal things 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:26.719 for him. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.680 This is your job. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.480 I mean you kind of your heart goes out. Yes, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.320 he's a grown man. He could amaze a decision to 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.599 say I'm not doing this. But we talk about just 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.800 how iconic, how powerful this guy was. Can you tell 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.120 him no, are you going to give up an opportunity 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.880 to work for this guy, to make it in the industry, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.479 just for the sake of you know what, I'm not 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.640 going to go pick up your cocaine. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:46.080 I quit. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.600 That's hard to think a twenty something year old kid 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.719 would do. So I know there's a bit criticism, but 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.640 that is part of the story. They didn't feel like 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:55.279 they had a choice. So many people in his world, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.160 including Cassie, including its assistance. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.880 Until he said he absolutely feared for his life. And 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.640 that was when he saw he testified that he saw. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:07.800 Did he grab guns and rush over to some diner 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:12.000 because some of his inner circles saw apparently one of 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.560 his RAHP nemesis, sug Night, sug Knight, And he was 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.280 in the car with him and thought, what am I doing? 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.520 What is happening right now? And that's when he realized 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.880 he was in. I don't know why that took him 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.760 to realize that he was in way over his head, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.360 but he wanted out after. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.560 That, so he's gotten I couldn't imagine that all these 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.200 years later he'd be sitting up on a stand testifying 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:45.679 to so much of what he saw. I was expecting 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:50.679 another witness yesterday, of course, Regina Ventura. Cassie Ventura's mom, Cassie, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.720 of course, the ex of Diddy, who spent four or 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.040 three four days on the stand testifying to what she 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.640 went through in her relationship Regina. The mom took videos, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.200 excuse me, videos and of her daughter's injuries that were 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.280 leisurely caused by combes. I was expecting Rome's a full 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.360 day of testimony from her, and she wasn't up there 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.160 very long. But the time she was up there, she 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.280 gave some pretty damning testimony. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.600 It was impactful and she absolutely corroborated what her daughter 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.080 testified to last week. But she talked about we thought 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.640 this was an interesting word that she used. She used 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.080 the word memorialize. She said they took the pictures of 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.280 Cassie's injuries bruises on her back, on her shoulders, to 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:34.640 memorialize the injuries she says, her daughter sustained from Ditty 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.959 and it's just see the pictures everywhere. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.160 She also Telfia, I mean, you have two daughter, You're 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.400 a woman with two girls. I mean to imagine what 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.600 that mom had to go through to see her daughter 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.400 suffering in that way and was trying to get her 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.240 out in some way, and her daughter. She know her 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.080 daughter's going through it, so she's helping her document it. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.120 And I'm sure as a mom, of course she wanted 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.000 to call police. Of course, she wanted to make sure 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.080 that this this man could never harm her daughter again. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.600 And yet she was told, and she testified to this 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:10.760 that Cassie sends her an email saying, I have to 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.960 deal with this man because he has videos of me. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.440 He has videos of me in sexual acts, and he 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:22.480 is now threatening to release these videos unless mom and dad, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.680 you pay him twenty thousand dollars because he claims he's 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.600 lost that's how much he's lost from my career, and 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.400 you need to reimburse him. And so here is this woman, 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:38.200 reginavnt Or her mother, who has been documenting abuse. She 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.040 claims she's seen from Ditty against her daughter and now 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.720 has to take a home equity loan out on her 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.440 own home because she doesn't have twenty thousand dollars laying around. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.480 So she has to take a loan out against her 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:53.160 house and wires Diddy twenty thousand dollars to make sure 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.040 he does not release these videos of her daughter. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.760 And it didn't work. He didn't release the videos. But 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:01.839 she thought there was a way to get her out 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.840 of a situation. She thought it was a way to 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.680 maybe even free her daughter of course from this guy, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.679 and send the money they send him back in five 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.880 days and that was that was that, and it's. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.400 Kind of like continued, I got her and she's still mine, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.800 and that's that's kind of just probably getting the money back. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.400 It was probably the scariest, most heartbreaking thing ever because 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.839 now she knew he wasn't going away. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.400 Yeah, you know what if that, if this is true, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.520 what a power play to say, I'm gonna let you 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.240 out of it. But you know what, here's your money back. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.120 It almost feels like there's nothing you can do now. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.520 Oh my sear, I just sank to think about that. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.400 And she says she felt physically ill, physically ill. And 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.600 then she even testified that she and Diddy got into 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.079 a in her words, a physical fight. She said his bodyguard, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.839 d Rock, actually got in between them. But this all 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.800 happened because she said Diddy took her daughter's phone from 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.120 her and she wanted her daughter's phone back. She said 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.640 she was yelling, screaming, and trying to hit him. I 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.400 believe police recalled in this incident as well, and she 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:03.640 said finally he gave the. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.080 Phone back to Cassie. But then days later she says 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:06.760 he took her. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.080 Car away, just basically making her so in, you know, 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.959 unable to leave, unable to call, unable to communicate. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.280 I mean, this is some scary, scary stuff. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.679 And you just hear one. It's always the case, right. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.839 You hear the prosecution one side interview a witness and 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.280 you go, oh my goodness, wow, they really nailed it. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.520 And then you hear the cross examination you go, oh wow, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.040 the defense really came in. And now in this one, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.000 the defense had nothing. They refused to cross examine the mom. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.000 They said, we don't have any questions and moved on. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.600 What could they ask her? Like, what could you really do? 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.280 Here's a she might be a more sympathetic figure, not 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.040 than Cassie for a different reason, because more people can 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.719 relate to what a mom was possibly going through than 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.199 the daughter was going through. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.760 But that was they said, no, what are you gonna do? 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.079 What are you gonna say? How are you gonna do anything? 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.559 Everyone has a mom. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.200 Everyone on that jury has a mom, and a lot 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.840 of them are moms, and so yes, the only thing 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.520 the defense attorney said to Regina Ventura was I don't 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:07.760 have any questions for you. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:08.680 Thank you. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.400 And as much as we've gone through right here in 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.800 what she said in testimony, it lasted less than half hour. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.480 She was not up there long as important of a 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.560 witness as she appeared to be. She was only up 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.200 there half hour and her testimony is done. But the next, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.480 oh boy, the next one. This is the one we've 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.480 been hearing about. The next person who just to stand 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.640 was the one Robes that they we only knew up 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.480 to this point, at least publicly, was being talked about 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.520 as the punisher. But the punisher has a real name. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.800 Yes, it's Scharre Hayes. He's a male escort today. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.040 He's fifty one years old, but he's been doing male 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.600 escorting for thirty years. He was first hired, he says, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:45.680 back in twenty twelve. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:46.800 But he said it. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.720 Was just to do a I believe Cassie, he said, 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.560 called her and said she was just looking for, you know, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.360 an exotic dancer. So he thought he was going to 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.360 be putting on a performance, but it turned into a 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.520 freak off and when he got there, she was in 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.480 a robe. She just said, Hey, my husband likes to 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.480 watch me have sex with other men. So he put 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.960 on baby oil. She put on baby oil. And he 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.240 had no idea that a naked man who walked into 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.439 the room and sat in the corner with a cover 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.760 over his head, he said, with just the eyes showing. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.160 He described it as a veil like a Muslim woman 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:24.840 would wear. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.240 So the man's naked, a man with a Muslim like 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.760 veil over his head goes and sits in the corner. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.840 He has no idea that this is Sean diddy Comb. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.760 See that extra detail. For me, that's wild. What a 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.439 scene in a room. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.400 That's scary. I would be scored for my life. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.160 And so I'm wondering if he had fear because he 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.520 said that Cassie told him this is what he testified 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.720 not to look at her husband, not to even look 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.400 over at him or regard him or communicate with him 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.680 in any way. However, he testified that the story figure 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.080 was communicating with Cassie on what to do, how to 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.280 do it, what angle to be at, what he wanted 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:07.880 to see. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:08.800 This is. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.320 And look, we've heard a lot about the free calls. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.880 We've been getting details from testimony and reporting and police 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.559 reports and all this stuff. That detail for some reason 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.840 about him wearing that covering over his head kind of 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.520 creaked me out. We've seen a lot of horror movies. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.600 I was just going to say that I think we 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.760 have seen too many horror movies that if you ever 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.640 walked into a scene like that, I mean, look, I 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.160 can't imagine anyone who's an exotic dancer, or a male 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.480 or a female escort. Escort probably has a lot of 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.560 stories to tell. Because you're walking into someone's hotel room. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.800 That's a scary thing in and of itself. But now 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.760 to see a scene like this and it's not what 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.240 you expected. You're told one thing, you come in and 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.240 it's a completely different thing. But they initially gave him 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.160 eight hundred bucks cash right away, and so that probably 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.840 may have been persuasive. And then at the end of 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.880 this first one, they gave him another twelve hundred and 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.960 he did keep coming back for how many. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.400 I'm ten he set up to ten. He thinks he 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.480 did now. He didn't know who it was. Initially, he 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.400 said he didn't. Even though he saw and was there 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.200 with Cassie, he didn't know who she was. He didn't 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.840 necessarily recognize her as some up and coming star. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.800 She had a wig on, I think a wig on 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.280 and in a robe. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.600 Yeah, he didn't know found out because he's sitting in 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.720 the hotel room waiting and anybody he was checked into 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.160 a hotel something they do these days. You turn on 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.040 the TV and don't have a greeting that has your 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.760 name up there. And this one said, the Essex House 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.280 would like to welcome mister Sean Combs. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.320 Can you imagine what went through his mind in that moment. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.080 He said he's a fan of the guy. He didn't 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.000 know what to do, but he obviously continued on. This 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.800 is the first one that was in twenty twelve, and 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.800 this went through twenty sixteen, he said in the Times. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.200 But he said the Essex House robes. I did not 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.320 put this together Essex House twenty twelve. I lived in 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.720 that apartment in that hotel areas. I kid, you're not 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.360 I lived there. I was working doing a show here 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:58.960 in New York. I still have my house in Atlanta, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.000 and the place they put me up for that year 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.080 while I worked in New York and going back and 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:08.520 forth was an apartment in the Essex House. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.440 You are just telling me this right now. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:12.160 I didn't know. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.320 The Essex House was at the center of this business. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.000 It's on Central Park South. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.920 You were there when this was going down. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.160 And I didn't know that. Wow, but you you don't. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.320 There was never any indication. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.480 I mean, this is New York. You got stars and 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.720 busy things always. Stuff is always happening. But the exact 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.600 timeline he's talking about is exactly when I was a 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.720 resident there in an apartment. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.200 Now that's freaking to use a bad word there, But 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.040 I'm thinking. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.440 Back now to did I see something weird? Did I 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.800 see more security around? Did I see anything out of place? 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.440 And I cannot remember that being the case. But how 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.120 many people in New York? How many of us were 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.840 I guess you're walking right past and not see. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.840 You never know what we're going on inside those rooms. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:57.560 You never know. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.760 The punisher, the male escort, described the rooms he would 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.000 walk into. He said, first of all, these freak offs 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.240 started around two or three o'clock in the morning. He 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.960 said they would go for a day. The room would 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.879 be lit with electric candles. The furniture, he said, was 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.280 all covered with sheets, and he said, you would start 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:16.040 on the couch with. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.240 The baby oil. And then this was really. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:25.080 Important for the defense because he says that he never 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.160 got any indication that Cassie was uncomfortable or there against 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.840 her will. And he says that he's a pretty good 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.560 job at reading people. That's part of what he does. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.160 And he said it was certainly weird to be intimate 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.960 with someone with her boyfriend or her husband in the corner, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.560 but it didn't seem like she didn't want to be there. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.120 That was a big part of the prosecution's case, talking 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.439 about how much she didn't want to be there, she 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.120 didn't want to participate, how much she was just doing 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.120 it for him. This guy's testifying, there was no single 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.600 indication that she was ever on comfortable. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.760 He said she would grimace a little bit and be 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:07.720 seemingly annoyed when Diddy was overproducing, telling to them to 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.360 stop or start, or to do this or don't do that. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.679 He could see she was a little annoyed, but that 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.480 was the only thing he could see that was anything 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:16.400 other than pleasure. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:18.119 That was telling. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.920 He also said the last time he was invited back 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.280 was in twenty sixteen, and what happened. He said he 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.840 actually had a hard time performing because it was just 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.800 when you start to get interrupted so much, he said 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.840 it was actually hard to stay in the moment and 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.840 to stay well, I guess the word is erect at 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:37.359 that point. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.119 And once that happened, he was never invited back. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:45.560 Yeah, there for something, But his testimony was rather incredible 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.160 to listen to. Again, we've heard a lot about free calls, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:49.760 but some of the details that come out, and look, 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.919 they are selacious and the headlines are will be a 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.440