1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, It's Wednesday, May twenty first time Amy Roboc 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: along with my partner TJ. Holmes, and as we record 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: this podcast, it is another day of testimony. It is 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: underway in the Sean Diddycombs trial that's happening just a 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: few blocks from us here in Lower Manhattan. And yeah, 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: we are in the full swing of the second full 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: week of testimony in the Diddy trial. And as we've 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: been doing here on this podcast, we're going to update 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: you on the latest full day of testimony that's already 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: in the books. And yesterday's full day, how would you 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: describe it, TJ? 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: It included testimony about viagra pills that Sean Combs took 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: that were in the shape of President Obama's face. That's 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: what yesterday was. That detail came out. So guys, the 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: word that's another day of doozyes on the witness stand. 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: We're talking about such serious stuff, but we got so 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: many details like this, little details that were just kind 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: of mind blowing. But the main people understand, yesterday you 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: had a Homeland Security agent, you had Casie Ventura's mom, 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: and then you had this male escort who goes by 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: the name Punisher. 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: All of them were on the stand. 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: So I don't know how you go about this stuff 24 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: is it's heartbreaking, it's difficult to hear, and it's jaw dropping. 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: Well someone makes you scratch you. Hey, we'll get into 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 3: this later. 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: But yes, viagra pills in the shape of President Obama's face. 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 4: How they were ecstasy pills? 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: I think it's ecstasy pills in the shape of Barack 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: Obama's face. 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: But there were so. 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Many pills and drugs, and they called it medicines. He 33 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: had a medicine bag filled with all these pills. And 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were taking these pills 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: and didn't even know which ones they were taking. That's 36 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: viagra and ecstasy all in one. 37 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: That detail is just wild. Why do we have Why 38 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: is anybody making pills in the shape of president? 39 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: I had to read that in a couple of different 40 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: publications to make sure I was reading it correctly. 41 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: See, we're caught up on that. That's not even the 42 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: that's not the biggest deal in here. But you're learning 43 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: these things about the life, the lifestyle, the world. We've 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: talked to a lot of people said, this is a 45 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: different world. You cannot even begin to understand. Once you 46 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: get in this guy's orbit. So we got a lot 47 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 2: about that yesterday. 48 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all unraveling in a courtroom for the 49 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: world to hear. And I think there is a collective 50 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: jaw drop just from every day what is trickling out. 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, the day started with David James, the former 52 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: assistant to Diddy. 53 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: And he described what his job was. 54 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: It was basically to make sure the environment surrounding Diddy 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: was exactly as Diddy wanted it, and that included prepping 56 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: hotel rooms for him before these freakofs took place. And 57 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: he said he had to make sure there were forty 58 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: different types of skin care products available for Diddy in 59 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: these hotel rooms. He had to make sure that there 60 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: was fresh underwear. 61 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: Like what other kind would there be? 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: But yes, they say fresh fresh underwear. 63 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, just because you know you might need like multiple 64 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: need a change you Oh my goodness. 65 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: And that's just ew iPads slides. 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: Maybe he likes hokahs like I do. Yes, his shoes 67 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: he had to have a particular pair of slides in there. 68 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 4: Apple sauce. 69 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: Now that got me. I fell the detail later, like, okay, 70 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: that's his snack of choice. 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 3: And you like it. Maybe it has a lot of sugar. 72 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: It helps recharged when you're in a four day sex 73 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: spreakoff party. 74 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: But the attorney said later Sean Diddy Combs likes to 75 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: put apple sauce on his cheeseburgers. Okay, that detail came out. 76 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's what. 77 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Jello Fiji water, not just any kind of water. And yes, 78 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: this medicine bag that we were just referencing with up 79 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: to forty different pill bottles, including meds to increase his 80 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: sperm count. And yes, some of the pills did have 81 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Obama's face stamped on it. 82 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: I read ecstasy, you read viagra. 83 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it was both, maybe it was a little I 84 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: don't even understand what that's all about. 85 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: Does it matter? I really have that question. This is 86 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: a freak off and Obama's face is in the pill bag? 87 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: What is this? 88 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: President Obama deals with a lot of stuff, a lot 89 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: of heat from Republicans, a lot of criticism. This has 90 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: got to hurt worse than all of. 91 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 5: It associated with this way to say keep my name 92 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 5: out of your mouth, keep my face out of your mouth. 93 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: Basically is what. 94 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: That was, which can mean a whole lot of things. 95 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: We talked about free cast. This is insanity. 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: So yes, we're hung up on that detail for weird Rea, 97 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: but yes, you can't help but think. 98 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: What was going on in theess? 99 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: All right, the David James, the assistant and can you 100 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: have you seen how old is this fellow? 101 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: He looks like he's in mid. 102 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so a really young at the time, he was 103 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: probably his early twenties. 104 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 5: Yes, many years. 105 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was one of his first jobs. 106 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: I think he was, you know, went in for the interview, 107 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: gave I I think there was a report that he 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: said he repeated back one of Ditty's wrap lines to 109 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: him and that got Diddy to say, you know I 110 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: want you So. 111 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: How exciting must it have been for this young kid 112 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: say I am working for Sean Combs. How exciting was that? 113 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: And this is the stuff he ends up doing, buying 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: baby oil, condoms and lubricants. Now, he bought a bunch 115 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: of stuff for these parties, but in particular when it 116 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: came to the baby oil, to the condoms, to the lubricants, 117 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: the astroglad and all that stuff, he said he was 118 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: not reimbursed by the company. He was paid cash out 119 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: of a Louisvuitton bag that did he like to carry around. 120 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: But the other things medicine and snacks things, I guess 121 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: that look more official on a receipt that he actually 122 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: was reimbursed from the company Bad Boy. So even that detail, 123 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: as you know he was thinking about somebody was thinking 124 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: about keeping things separate. 125 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: Yes, and to that point you ask, why do all 126 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: of these details matter. I mean, yes, they're salacious, Yes 127 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: they're headline grabbing, But what the prosecution is actually doing 128 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: is trying to establish that racketeering charge that they have 129 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: against Ditty, which would require that they. 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 4: Show he had people doing his illegal bidding. 131 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: We even heard James testify that he went to a 132 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: yacht in Santrup. How do you say it, Sentrope, Yes, 133 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Sanrope, to go get cocaine off of a 134 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: yacht to bring it back to Ditty. So he's talking 135 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: about how he's having him go do massively illegal things 136 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: for him. 137 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: This is your job. 138 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: I mean you kind of your heart goes out. Yes, 139 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: he's a grown man. He could amaze a decision to 140 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: say I'm not doing this. But we talk about just 141 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: how iconic, how powerful this guy was. Can you tell 142 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: him no, are you going to give up an opportunity 143 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: to work for this guy, to make it in the industry, 144 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: just for the sake of you know what, I'm not 145 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: going to go pick up your cocaine. 146 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: I quit. 147 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: That's hard to think a twenty something year old kid 148 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: would do. So I know there's a bit criticism, but 149 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: that is part of the story. They didn't feel like 150 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: they had a choice. So many people in his world, 151 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: including Cassie, including its assistance. 152 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: Until he said he absolutely feared for his life. And 153 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: that was when he saw he testified that he saw. 154 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Did he grab guns and rush over to some diner 155 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: because some of his inner circles saw apparently one of 156 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: his RAHP nemesis, sug Night, sug Knight, And he was 157 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: in the car with him and thought, what am I doing? 158 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: What is happening right now? And that's when he realized 159 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: he was in. I don't know why that took him 160 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: to realize that he was in way over his head, 161 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: but he wanted out after. 162 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: That, so he's gotten I couldn't imagine that all these 163 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: years later he'd be sitting up on a stand testifying 164 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 2: to so much of what he saw. I was expecting 165 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 2: another witness yesterday, of course, Regina Ventura. Cassie Ventura's mom, Cassie, 166 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: of course, the ex of Diddy, who spent four or 167 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: three four days on the stand testifying to what she 168 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: went through in her relationship Regina. The mom took videos, 169 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: excuse me, videos and of her daughter's injuries that were 170 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: leisurely caused by combes. I was expecting Rome's a full 171 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: day of testimony from her, and she wasn't up there 172 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: very long. But the time she was up there, she 173 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: gave some pretty damning testimony. 174 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: It was impactful and she absolutely corroborated what her daughter 175 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: testified to last week. But she talked about we thought 176 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: this was an interesting word that she used. She used 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: the word memorialize. She said they took the pictures of 178 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: Cassie's injuries bruises on her back, on her shoulders, to 179 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: memorialize the injuries she says, her daughter sustained from Ditty 180 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: and it's just see the pictures everywhere. 181 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: She also Telfia, I mean, you have two daughter, You're 182 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: a woman with two girls. I mean to imagine what 183 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: that mom had to go through to see her daughter 184 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: suffering in that way and was trying to get her 185 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: out in some way, and her daughter. She know her 186 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: daughter's going through it, so she's helping her document it. 187 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sure as a mom, of course she wanted 188 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: to call police. Of course, she wanted to make sure 189 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: that this this man could never harm her daughter again. 190 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: And yet she was told, and she testified to this 191 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: that Cassie sends her an email saying, I have to 192 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: deal with this man because he has videos of me. 193 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: He has videos of me in sexual acts, and he 194 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: is now threatening to release these videos unless mom and dad, 195 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: you pay him twenty thousand dollars because he claims he's 196 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: lost that's how much he's lost from my career, and 197 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: you need to reimburse him. And so here is this woman, 198 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: reginavnt Or her mother, who has been documenting abuse. She 199 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: claims she's seen from Ditty against her daughter and now 200 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: has to take a home equity loan out on her 201 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: own home because she doesn't have twenty thousand dollars laying around. 202 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: So she has to take a loan out against her 203 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: house and wires Diddy twenty thousand dollars to make sure 204 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: he does not release these videos of her daughter. 205 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: And it didn't work. He didn't release the videos. But 206 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: she thought there was a way to get her out 207 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: of a situation. She thought it was a way to 208 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: maybe even free her daughter of course from this guy, 209 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: and send the money they send him back in five 210 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: days and that was that was that, and it's. 211 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Kind of like continued, I got her and she's still mine, 212 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's kind of just probably getting the money back. 213 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: It was probably the scariest, most heartbreaking thing ever because 214 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: now she knew he wasn't going away. 215 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what if that, if this is true, 216 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: what a power play to say, I'm gonna let you 217 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: out of it. But you know what, here's your money back. 218 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: It almost feels like there's nothing you can do now. 219 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: Oh my sear, I just sank to think about that. 220 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: And she says she felt physically ill, physically ill. And 221 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: then she even testified that she and Diddy got into 222 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: a in her words, a physical fight. She said his bodyguard, 223 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: d Rock, actually got in between them. But this all 224 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: happened because she said Diddy took her daughter's phone from 225 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: her and she wanted her daughter's phone back. She said 226 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: she was yelling, screaming, and trying to hit him. I 227 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: believe police recalled in this incident as well, and she 228 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: said finally he gave the. 229 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: Phone back to Cassie. But then days later she says 230 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: he took her. 231 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: Car away, just basically making her so in, you know, 232 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: unable to leave, unable to call, unable to communicate. 233 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 4: I mean, this is some scary, scary stuff. 234 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: And you just hear one. It's always the case, right. 235 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: You hear the prosecution one side interview a witness and 236 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: you go, oh my goodness, wow, they really nailed it. 237 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: And then you hear the cross examination you go, oh wow, 238 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: the defense really came in. And now in this one, 239 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: the defense had nothing. They refused to cross examine the mom. 240 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: They said, we don't have any questions and moved on. 241 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: What could they ask her? Like, what could you really do? 242 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: Here's a she might be a more sympathetic figure, not 243 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: than Cassie for a different reason, because more people can 244 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 2: relate to what a mom was possibly going through than 245 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: the daughter was going through. 246 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: But that was they said, no, what are you gonna do? 247 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 3: What are you gonna say? How are you gonna do anything? 248 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 4: Everyone has a mom. 249 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: Everyone on that jury has a mom, and a lot 250 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: of them are moms, and so yes, the only thing 251 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: the defense attorney said to Regina Ventura was I don't 252 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: have any questions for you. 253 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 4: Thank you. 254 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: And as much as we've gone through right here in 255 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: what she said in testimony, it lasted less than half hour. 256 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: She was not up there long as important of a 257 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: witness as she appeared to be. She was only up 258 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: there half hour and her testimony is done. But the next, 259 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: oh boy, the next one. This is the one we've 260 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: been hearing about. The next person who just to stand 261 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: was the one Robes that they we only knew up 262 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: to this point, at least publicly, was being talked about 263 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: as the punisher. But the punisher has a real name. 264 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 4: Yes, it's Scharre Hayes. He's a male escort today. 265 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: He's fifty one years old, but he's been doing male 266 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: escorting for thirty years. He was first hired, he says, 267 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: back in twenty twelve. 268 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: But he said it. 269 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: Was just to do a I believe Cassie, he said, 270 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: called her and said she was just looking for, you know, 271 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: an exotic dancer. So he thought he was going to 272 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: be putting on a performance, but it turned into a 273 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: freak off and when he got there, she was in 274 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: a robe. She just said, Hey, my husband likes to 275 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: watch me have sex with other men. So he put 276 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: on baby oil. She put on baby oil. And he 277 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: had no idea that a naked man who walked into 278 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: the room and sat in the corner with a cover 279 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: over his head, he said, with just the eyes showing. 280 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: He described it as a veil like a Muslim woman 281 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: would wear. 282 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: So the man's naked, a man with a Muslim like 283 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: veil over his head goes and sits in the corner. 284 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: He has no idea that this is Sean diddy Comb. 285 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: See that extra detail. For me, that's wild. What a 286 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: scene in a room. 287 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: That's scary. I would be scored for my life. 288 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: And so I'm wondering if he had fear because he 289 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: said that Cassie told him this is what he testified 290 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: not to look at her husband, not to even look 291 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: over at him or regard him or communicate with him 292 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: in any way. However, he testified that the story figure 293 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: was communicating with Cassie on what to do, how to 294 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: do it, what angle to be at, what he wanted 295 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: to see. 296 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: This is. 297 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: And look, we've heard a lot about the free calls. 298 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: We've been getting details from testimony and reporting and police 299 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: reports and all this stuff. That detail for some reason 300 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: about him wearing that covering over his head kind of 301 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: creaked me out. We've seen a lot of horror movies. 302 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: I was just going to say that I think we 303 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: have seen too many horror movies that if you ever 304 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: walked into a scene like that, I mean, look, I 305 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: can't imagine anyone who's an exotic dancer, or a male 306 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: or a female escort. Escort probably has a lot of 307 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: stories to tell. Because you're walking into someone's hotel room. 308 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: That's a scary thing in and of itself. But now 309 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: to see a scene like this and it's not what 310 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: you expected. You're told one thing, you come in and 311 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: it's a completely different thing. But they initially gave him 312 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: eight hundred bucks cash right away, and so that probably 313 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: may have been persuasive. And then at the end of 314 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: this first one, they gave him another twelve hundred and 315 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: he did keep coming back for how many. 316 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: I'm ten he set up to ten. He thinks he 317 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: did now. He didn't know who it was. Initially, he 318 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: said he didn't. Even though he saw and was there 319 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: with Cassie, he didn't know who she was. He didn't 320 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: necessarily recognize her as some up and coming star. 321 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: She had a wig on, I think a wig on 322 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: and in a robe. 323 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't know found out because he's sitting in 324 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: the hotel room waiting and anybody he was checked into 325 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: a hotel something they do these days. You turn on 326 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: the TV and don't have a greeting that has your 327 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: name up there. And this one said, the Essex House 328 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: would like to welcome mister Sean Combs. 329 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: Can you imagine what went through his mind in that moment. 330 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: He said he's a fan of the guy. He didn't 331 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: know what to do, but he obviously continued on. This 332 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: is the first one that was in twenty twelve, and 333 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: this went through twenty sixteen, he said in the Times. 334 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: But he said the Essex House robes. I did not 335 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: put this together Essex House twenty twelve. I lived in 336 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: that apartment in that hotel areas. I kid, you're not 337 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: I lived there. I was working doing a show here 338 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: in New York. I still have my house in Atlanta, 339 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: and the place they put me up for that year 340 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: while I worked in New York and going back and 341 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: forth was an apartment in the Essex House. 342 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: You are just telling me this right now. 343 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: I didn't know. 344 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: The Essex House was at the center of this business. 345 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: It's on Central Park South. 346 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 4: You were there when this was going down. 347 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: And I didn't know that. Wow, but you you don't. 348 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: There was never any indication. 349 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: I mean, this is New York. You got stars and 350 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: busy things always. Stuff is always happening. But the exact 351 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: timeline he's talking about is exactly when I was a 352 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: resident there in an apartment. 353 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: Now that's freaking to use a bad word there, But 354 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 4: I'm thinking. 355 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: Back now to did I see something weird? Did I 356 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: see more security around? Did I see anything out of place? 357 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: And I cannot remember that being the case. But how 358 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: many people in New York? How many of us were 359 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: I guess you're walking right past and not see. 360 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 4: You never know what we're going on inside those rooms. 361 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: You never know. 362 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: The punisher, the male escort, described the rooms he would 363 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: walk into. He said, first of all, these freak offs 364 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: started around two or three o'clock in the morning. He 365 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: said they would go for a day. The room would 366 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: be lit with electric candles. The furniture, he said, was 367 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: all covered with sheets, and he said, you would start 368 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: on the couch with. 369 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 4: The baby oil. And then this was really. 370 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: Important for the defense because he says that he never 371 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: got any indication that Cassie was uncomfortable or there against 372 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: her will. And he says that he's a pretty good 373 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: job at reading people. That's part of what he does. 374 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: And he said it was certainly weird to be intimate 375 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: with someone with her boyfriend or her husband in the corner, 376 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: but it didn't seem like she didn't want to be there. 377 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: That was a big part of the prosecution's case, talking 378 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: about how much she didn't want to be there, she 379 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 2: didn't want to participate, how much she was just doing 380 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: it for him. This guy's testifying, there was no single 381 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: indication that she was ever on comfortable. 382 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: He said she would grimace a little bit and be 383 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: seemingly annoyed when Diddy was overproducing, telling to them to 384 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: stop or start, or to do this or don't do that. 385 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: He could see she was a little annoyed, but that 386 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: was the only thing he could see that was anything 387 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: other than pleasure. 388 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 4: That was telling. 389 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: He also said the last time he was invited back 390 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: was in twenty sixteen, and what happened. He said he 391 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: actually had a hard time performing because it was just 392 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: when you start to get interrupted so much, he said 393 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: it was actually hard to stay in the moment and 394 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: to stay well, I guess the word is erect at 395 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: that point. 396 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: And once that happened, he was never invited back. 397 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there for something, But his testimony was rather incredible 398 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: to listen to. Again, we've heard a lot about free calls, 399 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: but some of the details that come out, and look, 400 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: they are selacious and the headlines are will be a 401 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: little I mean, you talk about tabloid headlines, they pluck 402 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: out sometimes some of the worst sounding things. But this 403 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: UF is a part of a criminal investigation. This stuff 404 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: is relevant in proving a case against the guy that 405 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: they said is essentially a mob boss and some of 406 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: the charges he's facing. So that's why some of the 407 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: details are coming out. That's why some of these details 408 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: are important. The other person that was on the stand, 409 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: Homeland Security agent, got up and he was in charge 410 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: of the searchers at did He's Miami home and talked 411 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,239 Speaker 2: about the things he found, guns and whatnot. But he 412 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: was the other person that ended up on the stand. 413 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 2: But a lot of people looking forward to today and 414 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: possibly tomorrow who might be coming to the stand robes 415 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: and the prosecutor said, yep, we're gonna call. 416 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 4: Him Kid Cutty. 417 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: That is the rapper who was also briefly dating Cassie Ventura. 418 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: And this is the same person who, according to Cassie's testimony, 419 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: did he was extremely upset with when he found messages 420 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: back and forth between Kid Cutty and Cassie and. 421 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Actually a freak off. 422 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: During a freak off, then, according to Cassie, threatened to 423 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: blow up Kid Cutty's car, and wouldn't you know it, 424 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: kid Cutty's car blew up. 425 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: It's coincidence, I'm sure, just a coincidence. 426 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: But we're going to hear directly from Kid Cutty, who 427 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: was going to take the stand. Also, we know that 428 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: Ditty's former chef is expected to testify today, and going 429 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: back to his former assistant, David James, he said that 430 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: he refused to make a nine to one one call 431 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: regarding this chef because he testified Diddy asked him to 432 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: call nine one one saying that the chef assaulted Ditty, 433 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: and he said he refused to make the call because 434 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: he did not want to be charged with making a 435 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: false police report. 436 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 4: So we will hear. 437 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: From the chef herself on the stand to see what 438 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: she says happened when she was fired. 439 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: I well testimony and continues. Of course, this week was 440 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: at last week, I believe the prosecution said they were 441 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: on pace to do their whole case in six weeks. 442 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: So then the whole thing is supposed to take eight weeks. 443 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: Right now, what we're saying, they seem to be on 444 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: track and seem to be on schedule least for what 445 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: they try to do. 446 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: I will not even imagine what else we are going 447 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: to hear and who else we are going to hear from. 448 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: But it has been riveting, it has been eye opening, 449 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: and it has been disconcerting to say the least. But 450 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: we will continue to cover all the ins and outs 451 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: of the Digity trial. Every time we can give you 452 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 1: an update. 453 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 4: Will be your. 454 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: One stop shop. Instead of having to do and go 455 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: through all the different news outlets to try and piece 456 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: together what happened, you can hear it all hear from 457 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: us a recap each and every day. Thanks for listening, 458 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: and we hope you have a wonderful day today.