Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: The pass cornerback. J C. Horn went out from Pro
Speaker 2: Football Focus of their top ten cornerback rankings. This is
Speaker 2: what happens when you let nerds who never touched the
Speaker 2: field feel like they no ball man. Pro Football Focus
Speaker 2: rank him twenty fifth in the NFL said Horn is talented,
Speaker 2: but it's struggled with injuries in the NFL, despite being
Speaker 2: the league's second highest pad corner. Horn ranks twenty third
Speaker 2: in Pro Football Focus at advanced coverage grade over the
Speaker 2: last three seasons and twenty third in standard PFF coverage
Speaker 2: grade of seventy nine point six across the past two
Speaker 2: sauss Gardner's won, Pat ser Taddy's two, Trent McDuffie is three,
Speaker 2: Jalen Johnson, Darryl Stanley Jr.
Speaker 3: It's five.
Speaker 2: DJ Reid is six, Marlon Humphrey is seven, Kristin Benfred
Speaker 2: is eight, jah Ere Alexander is nine, Denzel Ward is ten.
Speaker 4: In fact, let me let me tell you something.
Speaker 5: The fact that you know this list isn't correct, the
Speaker 5: fact that Denzel Ward is all the way at ten.
Speaker 2: But then okay, let me ask you this, Oh Joe,
Speaker 2: who you taking off this list and putting jac Horn
Speaker 2: in front of what number.
Speaker 4: Wait, see I needed I can't. I can't see that
Speaker 4: from me, Run me, run me the first team real.
Speaker 3: Quick assaults gone.
Speaker 4: There's one pass trip flip, but go ahead, okay.
Speaker 3: Trip.
Speaker 2: McDuffie is three, Kansas City, Jalen Johnson Barris four, Darryl
Speaker 2: Stingley Jr. Tight Texans five. DJ Reed he's with the Lions, Knight.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, he's with the Jets. Last year,
Speaker 2: he's six, Marlon Humphrey, Baltimore Ravens seven, Kristin Bedford, Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 2: Hey y'ah here, Alexander nine, Green bay Denzel Ward ten.
Speaker 3: Now people on that list who you taking off and
Speaker 3: putting them on.
Speaker 4: I mean they disrespect. I've watched everybody. I watched everybody
Speaker 4: who said play.
Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about just watching them on Sunday
Speaker 5: them talking about I've seen film of them actually in
Speaker 5: practicing what they've done, and I've seen the game film.
Speaker 5: Now DJ Reid, I don't know much about. I don't
Speaker 5: know much about DJ Reid. I'm gonna be honest. I
Speaker 5: haven't seen him play. I haven't watched him. So if
Speaker 5: I was to take anybody off it'll be DJ Reid.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, I mean, no disrespecting Young Bull. I'm sure
Speaker 5: Young Bull is good because he's on there.
Speaker 4: For a reason. But I know and I've seen J C.
Speaker 4: Horn play yeah consistently.
Speaker 6: I'm a big Stanley fan man Hey Stingy the real
Speaker 6: deal way Stanley fann Man.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 7: I love the way the way you play.
Speaker 6: You know, he reminds me of like well football used
Speaker 6: to be when I was in there watching it with
Speaker 6: my grandpa as a kid.
Speaker 7: I love his in it you had to bring.
Speaker 6: But honestly, when he come to these lists, sometimes I'll
Speaker 6: be trying to understand what's the criteria with some of
Speaker 6: these things, Like what are they coming up with? Because
Speaker 6: sometimes it felt like they picked somebody because they got
Speaker 6: a bigger following on social media or something.
Speaker 7: It ain't got nothing to do with they ned, So.
Speaker 6: I'll be trying to figure out where where does this
Speaker 6: stuff come from?
Speaker 2: I agree with you, O Joe. I think Pastor Tan
Speaker 2: for me, is the best corn in football.
Speaker 3: Uh. Stingley obviously had a magnificent season.
Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie, he's never made an All Pro team, don't
Speaker 2: I think he's made one?
Speaker 3: Let me take that back.
Speaker 2: I think he's made one, but I don't think he's
Speaker 2: ever made a Pro Bowl. Uh. He's sensational, especially in
Speaker 2: the slot. Sauce, we know what saut Field. Sauce was
Speaker 2: a defensive Rookie of the Year. All these guys are phenomenal.
Speaker 2: We know Marlon Humphrey is not as its not what
Speaker 2: he was was on the outside. But in that slot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Beffert really came into his own last year. We know
Speaker 2: y'all here what he is, what he represents at Denzel,
Speaker 2: a fluid, smooth transition.
Speaker 5: Looks really honestly, I mean no disrespect what Denzel. Denzel
Speaker 5: is top five right now. I'm talking about in the
Speaker 5: entirety of the league. You know, forget this list.
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 7: I think he top five, oh chart.
Speaker 5: Hey, when we talk about a technique merchant, I'm talking
Speaker 5: about Okay, technive, it don't matter, it don't matter who
Speaker 5: he playing. Well, he can party, and he's switching up
Speaker 5: based on who he playing against, too. He gonna play
Speaker 5: everybody different. So I'm sitting there watching him depending on Okay,
Speaker 5: let's say when they play the Bengals fences the way
Speaker 5: he played T Higgins, he played Chase different and I'm
Speaker 5: sitting here watching this man I'm talking about it's like art.
Speaker 5: It's like watching art because he had a different post
Speaker 5: depending on who it is every single time. Then the
Speaker 5: naked eye, the casual fan can't see it, but I'm
Speaker 5: looking at it. I'm like, what the and I'm in
Speaker 5: to my to me, hey, I'm him like Seim, I'm
Speaker 5: looking like but damn. The defensive coordinatoring in Cleveland and
Speaker 5: Cleveland give him that much freedom to be able to
Speaker 5: do stuff like that. Normally, when you get out there
Speaker 5: and lineup, you line up the same way the same
Speaker 5: time based on the coverage, the coverage of the defense
Speaker 5: that's called.
Speaker 6: Now, what you like, how you think you would have
Speaker 6: reacted if he would have been guarding you? What you
Speaker 6: would have did too?
Speaker 4: I would have turned that twenty one to twelve.
Speaker 6: With me.
Speaker 5: I respect Hey, listen, I told I forgot where was at.
Speaker 5: Might have been Super Bowl or something, or I sat
Speaker 5: there and told him. I told him about plays.
Speaker 4: He did though.
Speaker 5: He is a tremendous man, the man corner boy, especially him, Bump.
Speaker 5: I talk about technical signing when the ball is now.
Speaker 5: He never paned man. He played up all your elite
Speaker 5: ball skills him and stingy, but got some of the
Speaker 5: best ball skills along with certain I've ever seen brouh.
Speaker 6: No, That's why I like Stanley so much, for exactly
Speaker 6: what you just broke down. And that's why I got
Speaker 6: quiet because you speaking from experience. I'm speaking from a
Speaker 6: so you looking at it from you actually playing the game.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at it as a fan. But what I
Speaker 6: see with Stantley is kind of what you just explained.
Speaker 6: He plays different players difference. He can kind of play
Speaker 6: both sides of the field. He get to it, he
Speaker 6: get off his line fast, So I rock with him.
Speaker 4: He nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like God. I like God to travel.
Speaker 2: Uh. You know, you look at Sauce and Pat, they're
Speaker 2: kind of more They kind of like the tall angular guys.
Speaker 3: Pat sirs had is so smooth.
Speaker 2: He transitioned extremely well, the way he can flip his hips.
Speaker 2: For a guy his size, it's hard pressed and you
Speaker 2: probably won't find a guy because.
Speaker 3: Sir Tanna's like six two.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, ain't no, ain't no, yeah, ain't no
Speaker 2: six foot he's six foot no, no, no, he's six two.
Speaker 2: Maybe even tall Denzel Wards maybe not that tall. But
Speaker 2: they kind of got sauce. Pat and Denzel kind of
Speaker 2: have the same body type. They're like Finn framed. But
Speaker 2: but uh CD is like as good a technique for
Speaker 2: someone he has good a technique like now Revers had
Speaker 2: some techniques.
Speaker 7: I was just thinking about Daryl Reeves when you.
Speaker 5: When it comes to playing the position, when it comes
Speaker 5: to playing dB, I've always said that.
Speaker 4: I've been saying it for years.
Speaker 5: I think dB is the hardest position on the field
Speaker 5: outside outside of the quarterback. Reavers got the patience at
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage of Sally May because you know everybody.
Speaker 4: Still owe them loans for years and years a year.
Speaker 5: That's the kind of patience I spoke God, that's kind
Speaker 5: of patience Reavers got.
Speaker 3: You can take all the moves you want.
Speaker 4: He not moving, He's not budging until you go.
Speaker 6: Move.
Speaker 2: You forget it.
Speaker 4: Might he might not bite the second move.
Speaker 2: Doc Hey, O Joe, you can, Oh Joe, you could
Speaker 2: do all this right, You do it all this right
Speaker 2: here that you will.
Speaker 4: Still waste because your waist ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Josh Norman too, man, Josh, you need
Speaker 6: to lock there as well.
Speaker 2: Jared Verus troll pooking the coure for looking like Lord Farquhar.
Speaker 3: Watch this, y'all, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We have famous people in the building now, scheg it out,
Speaker 2: schigure it out, schig it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lord Funk partners, Mom got Lord Funk. That's that's
Speaker 3: what it's all about. That's what Joe, that's what you missed.
Speaker 2: All that joney that goes on in the Ota, that
Speaker 2: goes on in mini camps and training camps and all
Speaker 2: this is what you missed.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You can't where're gonna get this from, Joe? When you
Speaker 2: leave the game, where you're gonna get it from, You're
Speaker 2: not gonna be around.
Speaker 4: It's impossible. It's impossible.
Speaker 5: You try to listen, you try to recreate it with
Speaker 5: your friends that have nothing to do with the game
Speaker 5: of football that you've known all your life, but it
Speaker 5: would be I feel like being in that locker room.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: Nope, all right, Sember, we're gonna get to your favorite
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to some NBA news.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Five seasons with the Knicks, Tom Fibodeaux went to twenty
Speaker 2: six and one seventy four led the Knicks to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Four times, including back to back fifty win seasons, including
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals appearance for the first time in twenty
Speaker 2: five years, advanced to and they advanced to the East Finals.
Speaker 2: That wasn't enough, even Rick Carlisle said today, when I
Speaker 2: first saw it, I thought it was one of those
Speaker 2: fake AI things.
Speaker 3: No way, there's no way. Simber when you.
Speaker 2: First heard the news, you read it, he's like, man,
Speaker 2: they fired TIBs.
Speaker 3: What went through your mind?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 7: I kind of expected it. I kind of expected it.
Speaker 6: I feel like Tibbs And no disrespect to TIBs because
Speaker 6: he's a legend, but I feel like his style of
Speaker 6: coaching is a bit outdated. I feel he kind of
Speaker 6: looks for things that the game doesn't call for anymore,
Speaker 6: and he doesn't really go deep into his bench, and
Speaker 6: by the time his players get to the fourth quarter,
Speaker 6: they gassed. And we kind of seen that in the playoffs.
Speaker 6: We've seen Indiana kind of running him back and forth.
Speaker 6: He tried to get deep in the bench. In basketball,
Speaker 6: just like football, anything of sports, it's a game of rhythm,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So you can't just throw
Speaker 6: somebody in the playoffs when they ain't been playing all season.
Speaker 6: In the third quarter and expect them to knock down shots.
Speaker 6: So I think Bruntson could definitely benefit from a different coach.
Speaker 6: The Knicks could. And I don't see I've seen what
Speaker 6: you guys are saying the other night. I don't see
Speaker 6: why Tim's kind of brought Caddy in if they had
Speaker 6: the same issue back in Minnesota. I kind of don't
Speaker 6: get where that came from. But I think the call
Speaker 6: was a good call. It might be a bit confusing,
Speaker 6: but I think it was a good call.
Speaker 2: Hey, and the wake up oh you read this, and
Speaker 2: the wake of Tims fired. More reports have come out
Speaker 2: about the Knicks coaching staff. Multiple Knick players have reportedly
Speaker 2: been unhappy with the presence of assistant coach Rick Brunson,
Speaker 2: who happens to be the dad of Jalen Brunson per Hoops.
Speaker 2: While multiple Nick players have been unhappy with the presence
Speaker 2: of assistant coach Rick Brunson, who happened to be the
Speaker 2: father of star point guard Jalen Brunson, what that issue
Speaker 2: is exactly has not been determined. Those sources suggest that
Speaker 2: Rick has too big of a say in things.
Speaker 4: Well is he probably gonna be the interim coach or
Speaker 4: maybe the coach said that step.
Speaker 2: Now they're gonna have a new coach. He ain't gonna
Speaker 2: be there in them, he ain't gonna be nothing.
Speaker 4: So you don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think they're gonna give him
Speaker 2: the job. I don't think if they would have better,
Speaker 2: I think Leon Rose and Worldwide West, who runs the
Speaker 2: Knicks for Dolan? They're looking, Is it gonna be Bootenholzer,
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be local? Is it gonna be you
Speaker 2: know one of these guys? Uh uh? What's Mike.
Speaker 4: And Letter say? The funny thing about it is is Timms.
Speaker 5: Tims led the the Knicks to one of their greatest
Speaker 5: not greatest season, but he took them very far. It's
Speaker 5: been a very very long time since they've been in
Speaker 5: a game of that magnitude or a series of that magnitude.
Speaker 5: And when you look at the records of the past coaches,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's done the best.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 4: I agree with see him based on what out come.
Speaker 5: You know, the little bit of basketball knowledge that I
Speaker 5: do have is he does running players into the ground,
Speaker 5: and they wore tie it. They were tired, especially when
Speaker 5: they got to the back end of the season. The
Speaker 5: back end of the series. Yeah, them boys ain't had
Speaker 5: no legs.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like, oh man, they lost to they lost
Speaker 2: to the uh, they lost to the Pacers. Had they
Speaker 2: had they lost to Boston, would you're still a fired
Speaker 2: Because I think the thing is maybe maybe beating the
Speaker 2: beating the Celtics, who's the defending champs, Maybe that set
Speaker 2: them unrealistic expectations because now, man, we knocked off Jason
Speaker 2: Tatum and Jaylen Brown, the team that won the champions
Speaker 2: just a year ago, won sixty games, and now we
Speaker 2: lose to the Pacers. But if you go back to
Speaker 2: look at the places, they got five six guys and
Speaker 2: double figures every game. That's what they do. They're committee.
Speaker 2: So you don't know who gonna light your ass up.
Speaker 2: For one or two games. It might be si Okam.
Speaker 2: Another game, it might be niemanth another game, it might
Speaker 2: be Halliburton. So you you it's hard for you to determine, well,
Speaker 2: who do we take away?
Speaker 3: Who do we take away? So I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2: I think once they beat the Celtics, everybody's like, oh Nick,
Speaker 2: oh man, Nick going to the finals. Yeah, oh, we
Speaker 2: got the Pacers. The Pacers just beat y'all last year
Speaker 2: in Game seven on y'all home court.
Speaker 4: I was one of them people too, right there.
Speaker 2: My bad. This was this was this was a worst
Speaker 2: matchup for the next because the thing that the Pacers
Speaker 2: do the Knicks don't do well is get back on defense.
Speaker 2: If you look at the Pacers, they're looking to run,
Speaker 2: make or miss. They'll take it out, take it off
Speaker 2: the rim, or take it out the net. You saw
Speaker 2: the last game on Joe the Dicks make a basket
Speaker 2: and in one past they Pascal Siacame is euro step
Speaker 2: and laying.
Speaker 7: Them all up up the floor.
Speaker 2: So and you look at it. So now you got
Speaker 2: Cat and people can play. They were complaining about Cat
Speaker 2: playing defense, when if you known Cata the defensive guys.
Speaker 2: So what you gave up getting Michael Bridges all those
Speaker 2: draft picks, you weaken your bitch, and in the process
Speaker 2: of weeking your bitch, now you got the ride. Guys
Speaker 2: got to play guys extending minutes in the regular season,
Speaker 2: and you overload.
Speaker 3: Them come playoff time.
Speaker 2: He expanded it, but if you remember the first Coming series,
Speaker 2: he was only playing seven guys and then it got
Speaker 2: to the point he played eight nine guys, it's too late,
Speaker 2: too late.
Speaker 3: Agree.
Speaker 6: I agree, I think and New York might tear me
Speaker 6: up for this, but I think Boston lost that series
Speaker 6: more than New York won it. And what I mean
Speaker 6: by that was, we didn't see great coaching from Tims.
Speaker 6: In the first two games. We seen Boston get comfort
Speaker 6: the bull and the Knicks make an incredible comeback twice.
Speaker 7: We didn't see great coaching and great tactics.
Speaker 6: And I think Boston kind of just like what you
Speaker 6: just said, how the Knicks felt about the Pacers felt
Speaker 6: that way about the Knicks, like, oh, we got the Knicks,
Speaker 6: we got this, it's easy, and they kind of got comfortable,
Speaker 6: let their feet off the gas, and they suffered in
Speaker 6: the long run.
Speaker 2: Well, what happened was that they're shooting all them damn threes,
Speaker 2: and you see what happened. Now, when you make them,
Speaker 2: that's great, But what happened when you miss them? And
Speaker 2: now they don't because they've been so successful making those
Speaker 2: threes come crunch clutch time, they can't run no sets.
Speaker 3: They still jacking them a bunch of threes. And you
Speaker 3: see the Knicks.
Speaker 2: Operating every time, they getting lay up, they getting whatever
Speaker 2: they want to get. Man, I mean teams like with Damn,
Speaker 2: I probably we should We probably should have lost to
Speaker 2: the sel Things because I do believe, and I could
Speaker 2: and I could be totally wrong, Sam, but I believe
Speaker 2: because they beat the Celtics they had unrealistic expectations.
Speaker 3: They thought they were gonna have a cake walk to
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals.
Speaker 6: Yep, I totally agree with that. Let me ask you,
Speaker 6: guys this, where do you see Tibbs going? And what
Speaker 6: do you think is the nixt head coach for the Knicks.
Speaker 3: He Well, you got some guys out there.
Speaker 2: You got Mike Malone, you got Bootenholzer, you got Frank Vogel.
Speaker 3: Hell, give Sam can sale chance. You know what about
Speaker 3: Mark Jackson?
Speaker 7: Bring Mark back?
Speaker 2: He played in the guard. He's from New York. Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who I'm trying to think Who's
Speaker 2: who's a hot hotare Stephen Smith? Steven Day and tried
Speaker 2: to Steve They tried to coach no basketball.
Speaker 3: I was like, look, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, Sam, Mark Jackson, even hell, you don't even hear
Speaker 2: Mark Jackson ain't even mentioned for coaching.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it feels like they completely pushed Mark Jackson out.
Speaker 6: I think Mike Loan would be great for New York.
Speaker 6: I think his style of coaching would be great for
Speaker 6: the city. It'd be great for Brunton. But I also
Speaker 6: think they got to bring somebody else in there that
Speaker 6: can knock down some shots. So Brunson ain't controlling the
Speaker 6: ball so much because I feel it slows the offense
Speaker 6: down when he's doing that in the fourth quarter, and
Speaker 6: sometimes when Anononobe is getting going, or Cat might be
Speaker 6: getting gone, or Bridges might get going. Now Brunton kind
Speaker 6: of comes in and he takes the next four shots
Speaker 6: and it kind of gets everybody out of rhythm. So
Speaker 6: I definitely think they got to bring in another ball
Speaker 6: handler or score or something to help complete it.
Speaker 2: Hey, what about the name mentioned I Doka, Jason Kidd.
Speaker 2: Both of those guys have current jobs. Jay R. Brown
Speaker 2: former coach Walk Mike Brown like Luke walking that now.
Speaker 2: I just saw him on somebody. If you with the Cavs,
Speaker 2: I saw him somewhere.
Speaker 7: New York could tell Luke Walton up on.
Speaker 3: The pistols. Yeah, that's why Jammie bicker Staff.
Speaker 2: But you got Bootenholzer who lost the job got a job,
Speaker 2: got fired. You have Vogel who had a job, got
Speaker 2: a job, got fired. Mike Brown got fired after he
Speaker 2: had just signed the contract extension. Budenholder had another four
Speaker 2: years left on his contract. Vogel had another four years
Speaker 2: left on his contract, I mean eight. Matter of fact, it.
Speaker 6: Feels like the last ten years of coaches of the
Speaker 6: year got fired.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: It got to be the right coach to to deal
Speaker 4: with that New York atmosphere. Everybody ain't built flat, definitely.
Speaker 2: H Draymond Green says he was rather losing the first
Speaker 2: round than the NBA finals. Black Sports Online tweeted about
Speaker 2: Draymond comments, said, I can call this my Lebron theory,
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 3: Can use it for any elite player.
Speaker 2: It is better to go undefeated in the finals then
Speaker 2: and go to a bunch of finals and lose. If
Speaker 2: Lebron was pouring on in the finals of the pools
Speaker 2: to four and six, would the perception be different if
Speaker 2: the same thing was really symbol What do you think?
Speaker 7: I agree? I want, I want thousand percent agree. Man.
Speaker 6: It's it's that's a tough thing to do, right. You
Speaker 6: gotta think about you guys played professional sports. Think about
Speaker 6: all the thing that goes on from on the field
Speaker 6: off the field, right, and to win a championship or
Speaker 6: even to get to the finals playoffs let alone, y'all
Speaker 6: got to be on one accord, you know. So to
Speaker 6: constantly keep getting there, that shows the signs of greatness.
Speaker 6: Whether you keep failing or not, you still keep getting there.
Speaker 6: Everybody like to talk about Mike getting there six times
Speaker 6: and him winning the six rings and everything like that,
Speaker 6: but he also had a road of trying to get there.
Speaker 6: That was a process. Lebron kind of got there a
Speaker 6: little faster. So I agree with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Lebron before and knowing the finals as opposed
Speaker 2: to four and six now, that's still four wins.
Speaker 6: If you have people say le Bron got five rings,
Speaker 6: if you ask me, I count that in season tournament.
Speaker 3: Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Sim Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Lebron
Speaker 2: got four rings in twenty two seasons.
Speaker 3: They're gonna say, what do you do in the other
Speaker 3: eighteen seasons? Go to the finals? So I get it.
Speaker 2: It's just like, look, social media and social media has
Speaker 2: its place.
Speaker 3: It's done a lot of good.
Speaker 2: It's made a lot of people famous, it's made a
Speaker 2: lot of people wealthy beyond expectations. But I think the
Speaker 2: thing is is that now everybody is a general manager,
Speaker 2: everybody is a coach, everybody is a player personnel direct
Speaker 2: that everybody is a former NFL player, or former NBA
Speaker 2: player or MLB player, and so it gives everybody. Everybody
Speaker 2: has an opinion now, whereas before a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys it'll been very injury. If let's just say we started,
Speaker 2: we're gonna start social media in the eighties and.
Speaker 3: Everybody could have an opinion.
Speaker 2: When Jordan was getting bounced in the first round, I
Speaker 2: wonder how they would take that if he's the best
Speaker 2: player and he to go, because they're crying him to
Speaker 2: go to nineteen eighty nine they said he's the greatest
Speaker 2: players we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: With no finals appearances.
Speaker 6: And the crazy thing about that, I just seen something
Speaker 6: the other day. I think, what was it NBA did
Speaker 6: to deal with NBC in eighty nine or something like that,
Speaker 6: So we didn't even get to see like those first
Speaker 6: couple of years of July. Where's the tape of everybody
Speaker 6: talking there like we see highlights, Like we didn't get
Speaker 6: to see everything.
Speaker 3: So it's like, no, you didn't see you didn't see
Speaker 3: basketball game.
Speaker 2: There was not a whole lot of you didn't get
Speaker 2: a child for you to watch basketball during the week.
Speaker 3: You watched basketball on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Got you now once the playoffs started, okay, that was
Speaker 2: a different story. But I grew up in the era
Speaker 2: where the games would tape the lay even the NBA Finals,
Speaker 2: the playoff with tape the lady, you didn't get an
Speaker 2: opportunity to see those.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So and when it first started, the first round was
Speaker 2: the best two out of three. You win two games,
Speaker 2: and then you advanced, and then you went to the semifinals,
Speaker 2: and if you won three out of five, the best
Speaker 2: of seven wasn't to the conference finals and the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3: And it used to be you.
Speaker 2: Got three shots to make two by the free throw line,
Speaker 2: so once you got to the bonus, you got three
Speaker 2: shots to make two. Yeah.
Speaker 7: See, I think bron Bron would have dominated in that era.
Speaker 6: It's just like if we look at it, like the
Speaker 6: role Lebron had to travel, Right, we're talking about somebody
Speaker 6: that's coming in from high school eighteen eighteen years old,
Speaker 6: all his criticism on him, and this is like when
Speaker 6: the internet is kind of coming into his age, absolutely
Speaker 6: got an opinion on him. Mike didn't necessarily have to
Speaker 6: deal with that type of pressure. Now, Mike did deal
Speaker 6: with people outside the hotel rooms waiting. No, I mean
Speaker 6: newspaper articles. But like you just said, with social media today,
Speaker 6: it's one thing. It's a bittersweet thing. Everybody has an opinion,
Speaker 6: but everybody opinion is invalidated because they haven't done it right.
Speaker 6: I can't come to you and tell you I think
Speaker 6: you wrong about anything in football.
Speaker 7: I ain't never played in the NFL. Who am I
Speaker 7: to tell you?
Speaker 6: As a fan, I could give you my opinion, and
Speaker 6: that's what I always try to speak.
Speaker 7: From from a fan perspective.
Speaker 2: Right when we're.
Speaker 6: Talking about people that did it at a high level,
Speaker 6: sometimes you just got to shut up, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, and listen to what the greats is seen.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not very often that an eighteen year
Speaker 2: old gets to come in he's the number one overall
Speaker 2: pick and they're handing the keys to the franchise. They said, okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go. We're only gonna go as far as
Speaker 2: you take us. And now he didn't have a whole
Speaker 2: lot of experience. He didn't get an opportunity to go
Speaker 2: to college and learn on a legendary coach.
Speaker 3: He didn't. I mean, think about what he had.
Speaker 2: He came from a single parent home and he bounced around,
Speaker 2: so everything that you see, he's kind of like had
Speaker 2: to had to get it on his own, like tal
Speaker 2: and he hadn't had you know, Uh, he hadn't had
Speaker 2: any missteps for the most part. Yeah, you could say
Speaker 2: people like, well, what about what about the decision? Well,
Speaker 2: the Girls and Boys Club got five hundred thousand. That
Speaker 2: wouldn't have missed that exactly because guess what, somebody wanted
Speaker 2: to hear it. I tell you what, if you think
Speaker 2: it's missed that, if he wasn't who he was, tell
Speaker 2: somebody else to have a decision, Yeah, and see how
Speaker 2: they get covered.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm totally with you. I think, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: bron is the greatest to ever do it. I think
Speaker 6: he went up against some of the greatest talent, right
Speaker 6: like Dwight Howard, We're talking about Baby Shack and his prime, Like,
Speaker 6: you gotta go up against that seven games, right, you
Speaker 6: gotta go up against the San Antonio Spurs.
Speaker 7: So he beat the Spurs you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean, Like they had to go up
Speaker 6: against the Dallas Mavericks, who was incredible. We may not
Speaker 6: look at them as the most athletic team with them
Speaker 6: as a team, the Dallas Mavericks around that time, they
Speaker 6: were incredible. And then to top it off, Kevin Durant
Speaker 6: the Warriors. Yeah, you know what I mean, everything we
Speaker 6: had to go up against.
Speaker 2: Where would you And that's what I always tell people
Speaker 2: of all the NBA champions where would you rank that
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen Warriors team? How many teams in history would
Speaker 2: you have over them that. Let's just go back to
Speaker 2: the nineties. When Jordan won his championships. What team did
Speaker 2: he face? Was the seventeen eighteen Warriors for the Seattle No?
Speaker 2: Was it Utah?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Was it Portland? Was it Phoenix? I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: figure out. And so you looking at it, look, I
Speaker 2: mean think about it. On that team you got Steph
Speaker 2: and Clay, I mean Stephan Draymond All seventy five team.
Speaker 2: You look at Portland, not Portland, San Antonio, Tim Duncans
Speaker 2: All seventy seventy fifth Anniversary team, Kawhi seventy fifth anniversary team.
Speaker 2: Uh mine was not a seventy fifth anniversary guy is
Speaker 2: I don't think so Tony Parker's Tony Parker won. I
Speaker 2: don't think Tony Parker won. Yeah, But but they make
Speaker 2: it seem like the the only, the only, the only,
Speaker 2: the only team that I.
Speaker 3: Think they should have beat.
Speaker 2: But when you go back and look at it, the
Speaker 2: Mavericks swept, see people sweep this out of the rug.
Speaker 2: Sim that Mavericks team swept the Lakers team that had
Speaker 2: just went back to back.
Speaker 6: I just said, we we forget about that because they
Speaker 6: weren't the most sexy, they wasn't athletic, but that was
Speaker 6: a great team.
Speaker 2: They swept the Lakers that had just went back to back.
Speaker 3: They had a gentleman's sweep on OKC.
Speaker 2: But still, for me, I think that was the only
Speaker 2: time that that Lebron has probably been favored and he
Speaker 2: didn't win, and.
Speaker 7: It's it could have.
Speaker 6: It was a thing I truly believe of him and
Speaker 6: d Wade didn't know who team it was yet, so
Speaker 6: I think that case, I think they was looking for
Speaker 6: each other the lead and kind of who was going
Speaker 6: to take the lead, and it was kind of getting
Speaker 6: too late by that time.
Speaker 7: The Mavericks had already won two games.
Speaker 2: Right, Adam Silver on the NBA All Star Game next
Speaker 2: season and the Clippers into it. Don't the All Star
Speaker 2: Game will feature some form Team USA versus Team World.
Speaker 2: All Star Game now will be in the afternoon instead
Speaker 2: of the evening.
Speaker 3: You like that change, Sam.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I feel like All Star Game is it's been a tragedy.
Speaker 4: The past few years.
Speaker 7: Oh man, it's been a tragedy.
Speaker 6: And I think when things keep becoming a tragedy and
Speaker 6: you keep trying things and it's not.
Speaker 7: Working, just go back to the original way.
Speaker 3: Just go away.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, though, to them, they don't play anymore,
Speaker 2: see them, I don't want to see no games team
Speaker 2: in the NBA. They scoring two hundred points, Sam, But
Speaker 2: you know now all of them is dunks and threes.
Speaker 3: They ain't playing no defense.
Speaker 7: But you know why that is?
Speaker 2: Hunh?
Speaker 7: You know, like I know, those weekends ain't about the
Speaker 7: game no more.
Speaker 3: Nah, part of the city it used to be about
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 7: They not coming in there.
Speaker 6: Anthony Edwards had about nine events on Saturday, seven, on Friday, three,
Speaker 6: on Thursday, a brunch on Sunday before the game. I'm tired, man.
Speaker 6: They got me doing all this. So they got a
Speaker 6: final way to bring the events kind of down, a
Speaker 6: little bit of something to get these players time to
Speaker 6: kind of enjoy their families, enjoy their week off, and
Speaker 6: show up on Sunday raid to play and play.
Speaker 3: They gotta play. But oh ya, I said this.
Speaker 2: I remember when I when I saw this thing going
Speaker 2: left with the Pro Bowl, I said, they're gonna cancel
Speaker 2: this before you know. Nah man, Now, I said, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, they not finna keep paying y'all this money
Speaker 2: they paying y'all.
Speaker 3: Oh jo they payed them one hundred thousand just to compete.
Speaker 2: I remember, and we was, oh, Joe, you went shortly
Speaker 2: after I left the league, y'all probably was making fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty five tops.
Speaker 4: It wasn't that much.
Speaker 3: Now they mak it.
Speaker 2: Now you get eighty, you get a one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: if you win, you get fifty seventy five thousand if
Speaker 2: you lose.
Speaker 3: Ain't got Now they out there playing touch football.
Speaker 2: Now they've turned it into a flag football, and they
Speaker 2: got all these festivities where you know, you try to
Speaker 2: hit the bulls eye and you hit a movie like
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 5: I was thinking back back then when we played on
Speaker 5: I mean everything, it was about competing and it was competitive.
Speaker 5: Maybe might have been an All Star game, it might
Speaker 5: have been a Pro Bowl where you know those that
Speaker 5: were selected. But when it was time to play man, hey,
Speaker 5: Sam Boy, it was real. You know when Kobe and
Speaker 5: them boy and then shock them boys when they made
Speaker 5: off when it was they had All Star game, Oh
Speaker 5: they was finna play.
Speaker 4: I feel like too.
Speaker 6: It was a different level of focus in your time
Speaker 6: because it wasn't so many distractions, so everybody was kind
Speaker 6: of like zoned in on their craft, zoned in on
Speaker 6: what it is they did. So when they came to
Speaker 6: play with the OCHO right when Charles Woodson got a guard, Oho,
Speaker 6: you want to prove his point out there?
Speaker 3: And I tried to prove mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I TOLDO, I said, look, when I went
Speaker 2: across that water, I was looking to light somebody asked
Speaker 2: up one on walk if I didn't want you to
Speaker 2: think you get back to the mainland and could cover me.
Speaker 2: You couldn't come me across the water. You can't come
Speaker 2: me on the mainland. So don't you come with with
Speaker 2: that bull drive NOWA that's but I was just like
Speaker 2: and and and and and the thing is like you said,
Speaker 2: now it's a layup or three boy shot.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 2: Oh, but I said, bro y'all, y'all quit the hollow. Jordan,
Speaker 2: y'all quit the haller. Kobe, y'all don't say nothing about it.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the All Star Game, y'all don't
Speaker 2: mention Kobe or Jordan. But y'all quick, that's all about
Speaker 2: They was killers. Yeah, okay, when y'all goosed to be
Speaker 2: turning some killers of the doll Star Game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's just a different time now.
Speaker 3: Unk.
Speaker 7: Like, Man, I've seen this.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Jason Crow Junior, a young player coming
Speaker 6: up out here in California. I went to one of
Speaker 6: his games, and I've seen a few players and they
Speaker 6: was just talking and one of these kids was like,
Speaker 6: as long as I get.
Speaker 7: An nil deal, I don't even work worry about going
Speaker 7: to NBA.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was like, man, like, the competitive nature
Speaker 6: of just grinding and wanting to achieve your goal and
Speaker 6: that process is gone now because these kids getting so
Speaker 6: much money. You go to some of these colleges, the
Speaker 6: parking lot look like a Ben's dealership, like it does.
Speaker 3: It's different.
Speaker 2: It ain't it, ain't no more, ain't no more scat pass,
Speaker 2: no hell cast and all the track halts, them jokes
Speaker 2: got ferrari, they got lamboles, they got colored in there.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: I'm like Daniel, listen, Sam, that's a that's a short dream.
Speaker 5: You short changing yourself. The big dream, the big money.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a n I l A that's gonna do.
Speaker 3: That's good money. That hey, that hold yo, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to get the fifty set up.
Speaker 5: There got the mill until you see everybody else you
Speaker 5: played with getting two hundred fifty million and you talking
Speaker 5: about some man.
Speaker 6: She speaking speaking of that quick question for both of you.
Speaker 6: What's something from you guys's childhood that fueled you'll work
Speaker 6: as it.
Speaker 3: I ain't have no running water, that'll do it.
Speaker 2: Going outside with the mosquitoes biting you, and you gotta
Speaker 2: take raid and spread to keep the mosquitoes off you,
Speaker 2: and you gotta put a you gotta put an overcoat
Speaker 2: on to go go out in the woods. That a
Speaker 2: motivation you. You ain't got no indoor plumbing, you ain't
Speaker 2: got no running water, you ain't got no air condition.
Speaker 3: That a motivation you?
Speaker 2: You? I mean you go like a warehouse and they
Speaker 2: got seamen floors. That's what we had. That a motivation.
Speaker 2: You got a tin roof and you can look up
Speaker 2: and you can see the sun. That a motivation. Sometimes
Speaker 2: an empty stomach, it's all the motivation you need.
Speaker 5: I had kids early, bro, I had kids early, and
Speaker 5: obviously my dream. My dream was to play in the NFL.
Speaker 5: And I put in too much work as a little shorty,
Speaker 5: as a legit.
Speaker 4: I had to make it. I told myself, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make it to the league.
Speaker 5: I remember telling coaches in high school, remember telling teachers
Speaker 5: I was gonna make it. They told me I was never.
Speaker 5: I never was gonna mouthed nothing. I needed that he
Speaker 5: gave me and gave me a little chip, So I'm
Speaker 5: gonna make it. Obviously, and having kids early shady, I
Speaker 5: got to take care of these kids.
Speaker 4: He had no choice. And I wanted to be good
Speaker 4: at my craft. I wanted to be good. I didn't
Speaker 4: need the best.
Speaker 5: But whenever I left the game, people gonna say, boy,
Speaker 5: he was one of the one of the best to
Speaker 5: ever played.
Speaker 4: That that was that was motivating.
Speaker 2: An empty stomach and an empty wallet. What more motivation
Speaker 2: you need?
Speaker 3: With fact?
Speaker 4: And they ain't need somebody else too.
Speaker 2: You know what you need? That's it. Your Grandma's like
Speaker 2: a hey boy, ain't got no lights. I ain't got
Speaker 2: no phone, the phone off because you can't pay a
Speaker 2: fifty dollar phone bill and they ain't got no lights.
Speaker 3: So you know you gotta you gotta.
Speaker 2: My grandma gotta jug some stuff around and you gotta
Speaker 2: make it do until she can come up till the
Speaker 2: next payday. Yeah, oh yeah, all right, son, you got
Speaker 2: to go go out there and get some ads because
Speaker 2: we ain't got no eggs. So now we got to
Speaker 2: go out there and get eggs. You gotta find agg
Speaker 2: you got to run the gens off.
Speaker 3: The eggs man.
Speaker 5: You know that I hate sem and it's people that
Speaker 5: you know it needs to be done right, but you're
Speaker 5: with your friends to do it. Like there's no self motivation.
Speaker 5: You can't get nothing done unless somebody else is doing
Speaker 5: it with you. But that means you fooling yourself, you fully.
Speaker 7: And I used to I used to have that same problem.
Speaker 6: I used to have that same problem because I was
Speaker 6: afraid of feeling, and I was afraid of feeling by myself.
Speaker 6: So I was like, I either want to win with
Speaker 6: somebody or we fail together. And one thing I had
Speaker 6: to learn is like that don't bless me, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So you might bring in the wrong person.
Speaker 6: You might have the wrong person that you're trying to
Speaker 6: walk into a situation that he don't belong in.
Speaker 7: And it's like, God ain't.
Speaker 6: Gonna grant you what you looking for because you bringing
Speaker 6: you bringing damaged goods to the table of what I'm
Speaker 6: trying to set for you. So I had to I
Speaker 6: had to learn how to develop that confidence for myself
Speaker 6: of just sitting in that studio writing and being in
Speaker 6: this room and you know, looking at my son in
Speaker 6: the face like I'm doing it for you, bro, I'm
Speaker 6: not doing it too because I'm afraid no more or
Speaker 6: bringing all these people with me for validation because I'm
Speaker 6: afraid of what might happen if they're not there. Like now,
Speaker 6: you got to get up and go do it. If
Speaker 6: you failed, just fall forward and get up and keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember happening when I had dreams about being
Speaker 2: something and it wasn't a whole lot of people in
Speaker 2: my dream. I'm like, well, damn, I guess he tried
Speaker 2: to tell me something m I wasn't supposed to bring
Speaker 2: a whole lot of people with me.
Speaker 3: M oh Man.
Speaker 2: Even even the biggest planes can only carry so much
Speaker 2: of a load. Even the biggest planes, oh Joe, even
Speaker 2: with the biggest cargo planes, there's only they can only
Speaker 2: carry so much.
Speaker 7: Oh, that's so that's so true.
Speaker 3: My mom.
Speaker 6: My mom says something to me the other day to
Speaker 6: stick with me. I was telling her she was trying
Speaker 6: to introduce me to somebody, and I was like, my
Speaker 6: own't even like meeting too many people no more, because
Speaker 6: they come around with these expectations and they think you're
Speaker 6: supposed to do something. And I remember wanting to be
Speaker 6: in this space and be like, when I get my shot,
Speaker 6: I'm never gonna be mean or turn people down.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna take every picture. But people take that for granted.
Speaker 6: And my mom says, I was like, it's hard for
Speaker 6: me to get along with people to now I feel
Speaker 6: like they don't understand me. And my mom said, uh,
Speaker 6: she said, she said, when you growing, she said, it's
Speaker 6: not that people don't love you. When you're growing, you
Speaker 6: hard to understand. Right, If someone hasn't tried to grow,
Speaker 6: you're going to always be hard to understand because they
Speaker 6: stuck at where they at and you're trying to go
Speaker 6: somewhere else, and they may see that as all you changing,
Speaker 6: and because you not adopting the ideologies they have now,
Speaker 6: you feel like they feel like you devalue them when
Speaker 6: it's just like, nah, bro, it might be a better
Speaker 6: way we could grow together. So that's something I had
Speaker 6: to learn right there.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's tough.
Speaker 2: It's tough because you know, a lot of times you
Speaker 2: want to the people that were around when you didn't
Speaker 2: have anything. But a lot of times those people their
Speaker 2: minds doesn't grow like yours grow. They think just because
Speaker 2: they're around, they're supposed to always be around. But at
Speaker 2: some point in time you can look. I understand, but
Speaker 2: there has to be value that comes along with something.
Speaker 2: The New Orleans Pelicans will continue to move forward with
Speaker 2: Zion Williamson as the face of their franchise. Per Joe Dubars,
Speaker 2: I've had some real artist conversations with him, some real
Speaker 2: direct and honest conversations. We're going forward with Zion. He's
Speaker 2: going to continue to be the focal point as we
Speaker 2: go forward.
Speaker 6: Sim Since Zion and Milwaukee, man, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 6: get it. Not for your honest let him go play
Speaker 6: with you, but you gotta get him out of New Orleans.
Speaker 6: You got all that good food out there. You gotta
Speaker 6: what's that place? Dragons?
Speaker 7: They got that, the big oysters over there. You got.
Speaker 2: The crab, the crab.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you got all that good food. Man,
Speaker 6: get Zion where they got vegan options.
Speaker 7: You gotta get him.
Speaker 6: You gotta get him out of New Orleans immediately. I
Speaker 6: think the run is done. I think that the time
Speaker 6: has come for them to kind of blow this thing
Speaker 6: up and let him move on.
Speaker 7: It's over with.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 5: Oh Joe, Hey, you know, we we talked about Zion
Speaker 5: in length, you know, for a very long time now,
Speaker 5: and he hasn't spoken at all.
Speaker 4: You know, We've all had our opinion.
Speaker 5: Obviously. I want to see him playball. Whether it's New Orleans,
Speaker 5: I don't care. I don't care where it is. I
Speaker 5: just want to see him on the court because I
Speaker 5: know what he can do once he's out there, when
Speaker 5: he's healthy. Whether whether it be New Orleans, I'm not
Speaker 5: sure what's gonna happen. You know how this business works,
Speaker 5: and mostly the players have all the levers. So unless
Speaker 5: he says he doesn't want to be there. He's going
Speaker 5: to be a Pelican. If he's going to be there,
Speaker 5: I just want to see him on the court. Pro
Speaker 5: that's it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to give up a superstar, trade a superstar
Speaker 2: unless you're going to get one back in return.
Speaker 3: And that's why the star, he's a star. I'll be
Speaker 3: a star player.
Speaker 2: I mean, it looked we had they like, damn, we
Speaker 2: had a D, we lost a D and the next
Speaker 2: year we get Zion.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody, ain't no stars coming to New Orleans.
Speaker 2: And so that's why when these small market team when
Speaker 2: they when they land one of these big fish, they
Speaker 2: try to hold on to him as long as they
Speaker 2: possibly can. That's why Milwaukee bending over backwards, trying to
Speaker 2: make sure, what do you need you need ten Harley
Speaker 2: Davidson's we'll get them for you. What do you what
Speaker 2: do you need? You need an Airbnb and and and
Speaker 2: and and and believe we'll get it for you. Because
Speaker 2: think about it, you go Kareem and then Kareem leaves.
Speaker 2: I think in like seventy six, seventy five, seventy six,
Speaker 2: it's thirty years before you get Yannis. So it's not
Speaker 2: You're not La. You got Will, you got Jared West,
Speaker 2: you got el Jim Baylor, you got Kareem, you got Magic,
Speaker 2: you got James Worthy, you got Kobe, you got Shot,
Speaker 2: you got Lebron, you got a d Now you got Luca.
Speaker 3: It don't work like that for it don't work like
Speaker 3: that for everybody, see elf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I get a guy, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: everything I possibly can.
Speaker 3: So Cleveland got Lebron. They a.
Speaker 2: You want to build us? You want you to be Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll build our trainshial close to where you living Afrod Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: no problem. You want access, no problem. You want your
Speaker 2: mama to sit here, no problem? Because what's the likelihood
Speaker 2: of you ever getting another Lebron James? If you Cleveland.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, you move heavy and earth
Speaker 2: and you do everything you can to make sure they're happy. Look,
Speaker 2: I agree with you, o, y'all. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: be healthy. I wanted to be healthy for two years
Speaker 2: in a row because I believe he can turn the corner.
Speaker 2: Because Aillan can't be more than what twenty five, yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 7: He's some He's somewhere around there. Somewhere.
Speaker 6: But I'm telling you, Unk, in order to keep them healthy,
Speaker 6: you gotta get them out of New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: You gotta get them some vegan options. We gotta get
Speaker 6: them some Asai bowls. We gotta get them healthy out there, Unk, Like,
Speaker 6: we all want to see them ball, we want to
Speaker 6: see them play, but it's always been a dilemma and
Speaker 6: they just they can't seem to get it together.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck with that, Joe, dude. Look, Joe Dubars
Speaker 2: has been around the game. He been I mean, he's
Speaker 2: been around the game forty plus years. He's played with
Speaker 2: some great players. He put some teams together, and so
Speaker 2: we'll see what he can do. Euro Cup champion Tel
Speaker 2: Aviv are expecting to make Russell Westbrook an offer never
Speaker 2: before seen in European basketball. Should russ accept the money
Speaker 2: or stay? Basically, he's gonna be on a mid level
Speaker 2: or a minimum contract. O Joe, sim does he take
Speaker 2: the big dollars to go overseas or does he stay
Speaker 2: right here?
Speaker 4: You say big dollars? How much are you talking?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, in order to make it make sense,
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna need to be twelve fifteen millis.
Speaker 3: Not well considered he make four five million in the NBA.
Speaker 5: Hell no, absolutely not, not for someone of his caliber.
Speaker 2: What's the most money somebody's made the European basketball? Can
Speaker 2: we find that we need to get We need a
Speaker 2: AI anybody want to advertise so we can just pull
Speaker 2: that up and it just pop up on my screen.
Speaker 6: So no, I think I don't think Russ need the money. Man,
Speaker 6: you know, Russ is invested in a lot of.
Speaker 3: Don't need the money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he'll go out there and play
Speaker 6: for the money.
Speaker 3: And then he don't want to be away from his family.
Speaker 2: He ain't move with his family overseas.
Speaker 3: I think it's white the name. He got kids, he
Speaker 3: got twins, and that not he going.
Speaker 5: Uh, absolutely not makes no sense. And they couldn't offerim.
Speaker 5: They couldn't offer him enough.
Speaker 2: Oh hell now, the most money anybody's ever made in
Speaker 2: Europe is four million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: It's over that. They might as well.
Speaker 7: They might as well get that to me.
Speaker 3: Yuh, look, get up to me.
Speaker 7: I go out there, give them twelve or ten.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I give him am.
Speaker 8: Hey, you know it can get crazy. Now if the
Speaker 8: Saudi's had a league. Now they oh like they like,
Speaker 8: they got like they got they could pull you, they
Speaker 8: could pull some NBA players and fire of there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah you see what Renald over getting man? Please
Speaker 2: two hundred million a year? Hey yeah, Lebron to leave
Speaker 2: for two hundred million a year.
Speaker 7: A year, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I going over there, Hey, going over there for
Speaker 3: a quick for five.
Speaker 7: Years there are here, unc I ain't never coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a matter of fact, getting me with no tax
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think. You probably don't play
Speaker 3: taxes on it. And they gave a jet and they
Speaker 3: gave him uh uh, what's it called, like a car everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they gave a house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that money over the different man, they got it.
Speaker 3: They got it, big money.
Speaker 2: Sam. But check this out. Apparently, Oh Joe was in
Speaker 2: the gym today and he was tossing around some one twenties.
Speaker 3: Apparently we got video evidence we got here.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm strong.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out. I don't see no
Speaker 2: sing I got we got to zoom in. We gotta
Speaker 2: see it the one twenty because.
Speaker 4: Them could be damn them damn weights bigger than my
Speaker 4: damn chest.
Speaker 9: Somebody you know what big Yeah, there was some big weights. Okay,
Speaker 9: oh yeah, yeah, I'm strong now, I'm strong.
Speaker 4: I just like this.
Speaker 2: For it's a it's a life finding. No, we don't
Speaker 2: do anything less than sick.
Speaker 5: We don't do anything when I go in there tomorrow, right,
Speaker 5: Tomorrow's legs for me, right, but Sam, just for him,
Speaker 5: I want to show him.
Speaker 4: I saw Aaron.
Speaker 5: Donald doing one thirties, right, so I'm like, okay, Aaron don'
Speaker 5: doing on thirties. I know I could do one twenties.
Speaker 5: I could do five. So tomorrow I'm gonna go to
Speaker 5: one forties. I'm gonna do a set while I'm fresh.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna do nothing to me.
Speaker 5: You told me I couldn't do one twenties and I
Speaker 5: just gave you five right there. But he did it
Speaker 5: on the incline, do the in class.
Speaker 7: This is mean.
Speaker 3: Look what you mean?
Speaker 2: What the difference?
Speaker 3: It's me? It's me.
Speaker 4: I could do that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: You keep telling me what I can't do, and I
Speaker 5: keep showing you I could do it. You told hey, Sam,
Speaker 5: you're gonna see me tomorrow, right. I'm opposing Tomorrow's leg day.
Speaker 5: But I just want to show un I could do
Speaker 5: one forties and I'm gonna do it on inclan because
Speaker 5: he just told me I couldn't.
Speaker 4: He He sounded like my teachers in high school. They
Speaker 4: told me. Now I'm on nightcap.
Speaker 3: I mean, there it is.
Speaker 4: He said, he go do it tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I would let it. I would let him have it.
Speaker 3: He gonna catch me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sneak in the Florida one day and catch
Speaker 2: him in the gym. Let everybody see what I for.
Speaker 2: What they do? It real bad?
Speaker 7: What you what you're putting up in there? What you're
Speaker 7: looking like?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 5: We didn't Listen, we live the same amount of weight.
Speaker 5: And no, we're about the same size right now, but
Speaker 5: we live the same amount of weight. Uh Sam, Still
Speaker 5: right Sam? Right now, I lost I lost about twenty pounds.
Speaker 5: They got a little something going on right now. But
Speaker 5: give it, give it, give it, give it. Give me
Speaker 5: a little bit of time. I'll get past that. I
Speaker 5: deal with you downed road.
Speaker 4: Listen, you done lost weight and I'm gaining weight. But
Speaker 4: it's cool, That's okay.
Speaker 2: I still I probably still could do those one twenties.
Speaker 2: I ain't at the one fifties like I used to be.
Speaker 2: But give me, give me fifties.
Speaker 5: You do one fifties, Okay, then I do one fifties tomorrow,
Speaker 5: just to show you where I'm at. Man, you really listen, hey,
Speaker 5: seem you know not on no funny ship. You could
Speaker 5: see you can see the frame. Man, I'm sculpting like
Speaker 5: a like a Greek, like a Greek god.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Good, you really can't see it. And you know my
Speaker 4: girl be tripping by having my.
Speaker 3: Shirt Offso now I thought you. I thought you had
Speaker 3: what you call him night cap tattooed on your chest.
Speaker 2: Oh you got to.
Speaker 5: Hooeyut bad damn you? I was he really liked that
Speaker 5: got tattoo. Yeah, hey, listen, I'm ready. I'm ready for
Speaker 5: the summer, man, I said, when the summer start.
Speaker 2: Summers June twenty, June twenty first, twenty second official a.
Speaker 3: Boy from what you stopped.
Speaker 7: Summers.
Speaker 6: Here, I see some nice soft legs today. Some's here
Speaker 6: you see it? What some nice soft legs somesion, ain't
Speaker 6: I appreciate. I appreciate y'all for having me. Man, big
Speaker 6: fan of the show, as y'all already know. Love, We're
Speaker 6: going up tomorrow for the NBA Finals. Shout out to
Speaker 6: the Payoffs. Scouts Big Watch party tomorrow. Love what y'all
Speaker 6: doing here at Nightcap. Man, appreciate you, Oh appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Y'all keep killing, Tell them where we can find you.
Speaker 6: What are you on our I g we got a Facebook?
Speaker 6: You got what you two? What you got going on?
Speaker 6: Tell us where we can find you at the real
Speaker 6: symbol on all platforms that's th h E R e
Speaker 6: A L S y n b A. You can find
Speaker 6: that amongst all socials. Men, and keep support Nightcap because
Speaker 6: we like to do something before to something.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about, Sam. We appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Man, all the best, continued success when you get some
Speaker 2: time stop back by gearing for us.
Speaker 7: Definitely will appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, Oh Joe, we're gonna get you out
Speaker 2: of here on this one, and that's time for our
Speaker 2: final seven of the evening.
Speaker 3: It's time for Q and eight. Hey gin.
Speaker 4: Un thing but nice and clean and nice and slow too.
Speaker 2: Quentin Mobley said, Oh Joe was having a season with
Speaker 2: them one twenty dumb bells today that ball was shaking
Speaker 2: worse than a woman in the area. Twenty nine hashtag
Speaker 2: muchee him talking. They making jokes, but I wasn't shaking.
Speaker 2: I was nice and slow and perfect form.
Speaker 3: Shake it.
Speaker 4: I don't think you know it's funny. I think people
Speaker 4: don't really understand how heavy that is. Huh. I mean
Speaker 4: you you see it all the time, You've done it
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 5: But I think people that go to the Cancil gym
Speaker 5: where they don't even have one hundred and twenty pounds dumb.
Speaker 4: Bells, I don't think they understand how heavy that is.
Speaker 3: I'm really like that.
Speaker 4: I told you if she.
Speaker 3: Ain't won eighty Uh, doctor Frankie L.
Speaker 2: Bell, behave fam What's one thing today players do better
Speaker 2: than your era, And what's one thing they'll never touch
Speaker 2: from your generation?
Speaker 3: That part talent?
Speaker 2: That yeah, it's called it's called technology.
Speaker 3: Show what happens.
Speaker 2: They got better die, they got better training, they got
Speaker 2: a better they got they got they started from a
Speaker 2: better foundation. I do think we have a better appreciation,
Speaker 2: but I ain't finn to see them say, oh, look,
Speaker 2: there are certain players that were talented, but I'm talking
Speaker 2: about overall the talent in all sports. Because they got
Speaker 2: better training, they got better nutrition, they got better technology.
Speaker 3: Just the way it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about how Look. Think about when Tiger
Speaker 2: Tiger nineteen ninety seven burst on the scene. Think about
Speaker 2: how far he was hitting the golf ball. He's the
Speaker 2: only one they could do it. Now they got twenty ball,
Speaker 2: twenty guys, thirty guys. They can hit the golf ball
Speaker 2: as far as Tiger. Look at the guys when we
Speaker 2: were in Awe the way Reggie Miller and Larry Bird
Speaker 2: and Mark Christ them guys shot the ball.
Speaker 3: Man they got got they got free folk. Guy of
Speaker 3: a team that I shoot the cut off the ball.
Speaker 3: It is what it is, Oh Joe, I accepted.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know. Man, my generation we
Speaker 2: did with did, but they got better technology. Now they
Speaker 2: got more. It's called advancement. You know how I know.
Speaker 2: Look at medicine. They don't do surgery the same way.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, ain't no guy missing. Your career is not
Speaker 2: over when you have ACL Your career is not over
Speaker 2: when you have the killes injury.
Speaker 3: I mean stuff that used to people were done. Now
Speaker 3: guys come back.
Speaker 2: Kevin. Look at Kevin Durrad. If somebody didn't tell you,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know. Kevin Durant came came up. The Achilles
Speaker 2: injury Lady Red finally back, Uh, Lady Rad, Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: love and Shallon's tea.
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite Simpson character? Mine is Ralphy?
Speaker 1: Who Quo Bark Yeah, Holmer Bark Leaf, Marge.
Speaker 4: You can't name all of them. We say who's your
Speaker 4: favorite one?
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying. Ashley was asking me, do I
Speaker 3: know characters? Look?
Speaker 2: I like the Simpsons, American Dads? What about South Park?
Speaker 2: Stewie give me, give me Stewie, give me Stewie.
Speaker 7: Story.
Speaker 4: Funny you watch South Park? I watched a little bit
Speaker 4: of You have a favorite character? You don't know most
Speaker 4: of them?
Speaker 2: I don't really know the care I used to watch
Speaker 2: what what's the one that come on m t V?
Speaker 2: Beavers and Bad? So if I had to say Holmer Man,
Speaker 2: the Simpsons been, Oh damn the forty they was coming
Speaker 2: on because.
Speaker 5: Funny and for some reason, the Simpsons are very good
Speaker 5: at predicting history. But they they're close to it every time.
Speaker 5: There ain't no goddamn coincidence every time. Nope, you're right,
Speaker 5: here's her said Uncle Ocho. You were both leaders in
Speaker 5: your locker room. How would you have handled the Dolphins
Speaker 5: bullying scandal? If that would have happened in your locker
Speaker 5: rooms in devil Baltimore, Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, that would have never happened. Ain't nobody.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody gonna be saying all that? What what happened?
Speaker 2: They said it wasn't bullying, but there was some racial
Speaker 2: appitet being being thrown around in the locker room, not
Speaker 2: to the extent of it. I don't know. I wasn't there,
Speaker 2: but that ain't what we did.
Speaker 4: We're talking about bullying, win, I know.
Speaker 2: I guess a Richard Richard, Yeah, needle and and and.
Speaker 5: Madam bully, you've grown ass man man in the NFL,
Speaker 5: you three hundred some pounds, talk about somebody book get
Speaker 5: your ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: But even if it wasn't bullying and wing'na, we ain't
Speaker 2: gonna be hurling no racial lepodas.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that part. Okay, my bad mm hmm Lillie.
Speaker 2: Well, look, holy they got it resolved. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: our locker room was harmonious. Did did guys right there?
Speaker 2: But the fall over you know, they fall in the
Speaker 2: locker room. Damn training cap. We had to get Tracy.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, you say the wrong thing or you
Speaker 2: know something. You know. Hey, look, I think sometimes don't
Speaker 2: your people think because you make X amount of dollars
Speaker 2: that some of the same things that will set somebody
Speaker 2: off that doesn't make money.
Speaker 3: We'll set the person off that make money. And I'll tell.
Speaker 2: You, guys ain't gonna let there's a certain level.
Speaker 3: I don't care how big you are, how old you are.
Speaker 2: Certain guy ain't gonna just let you blatantly disrespect them,
Speaker 2: because no matter where you are, the number one currency
Speaker 2: is respect. So Casey Taylor, start, Bench, cutt Duce mcauster,
Speaker 2: Wark done, Brian m Brian Westbrook, this is for you.
Speaker 3: Uh so ojoe, you got Duce mccollus to war.
Speaker 2: He said, he said, no, no, no, this is no
Speaker 2: he said for you. I got Algiae, Crumpler, random, McMichael,
Speaker 2: Chris Cooley. So I got the tight end, you got
Speaker 2: the running backs. You want me to go first?
Speaker 4: Yeah'm gonna go first.
Speaker 2: You want me to go first, and you're going first.
Speaker 2: I'm going first. Okay, I'll take you. I'll start Algia
Speaker 2: crumpler six and one hand, half a dozen the other.
Speaker 2: I guess i'd go McMichael, bench chairman and cut Cooley.
Speaker 3: But you can go either.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I probably should start Bitch Cooley
Speaker 2: and uh Randy McMichael.
Speaker 3: But I'll go I'll go Algaie Randy or Cooley.
Speaker 4: So I got Duce McAllister, walk Done and.
Speaker 5: Brian west Oh my god, Nah, it's my start is
Speaker 5: out of Brian Westbrook and and work Done.
Speaker 4: I just I'm trying to figure out which one.
Speaker 5: Because Brian west very simple, egregrated to say the same thing,
Speaker 5: very similar guy who was a little bit more dynamic.
Speaker 5: Brian Westbrook was nice. Walk Done was nice as well.
Speaker 5: They both laid the same and can catch the ball
Speaker 5: out the backfield.
Speaker 4: Mccallouson was a big back.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, yeah, he is.
Speaker 4: A big boy. I wonder who had the better career
Speaker 4: at UH at Warwick.
Speaker 2: And that's because you know, Warrick had started at Tampa
Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I remember Dan, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Well give us a good ass.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna go with. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go with Warck Done soon before what he does
Speaker 5: in the community. I'm gonna start war work done a
Speaker 5: bench at my bench Westbrook, and I love I love
Speaker 5: du That's my boy, my new Orleans Saint Dogg.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna cut deuce.
Speaker 2: Damn Circase said, my guys, should Michael Parkson's plays sit
Speaker 2: out until he gets his contract? Well, look, he's at
Speaker 2: ot As. I don't know if he's doing it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's like participating, but I know he
Speaker 2: shows up. He's getting his work out in, probably doing
Speaker 2: his conditioning, but he probably not doing anything on the field.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna get something done before he goes.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He keeps telling them it is a David Muga letter.
Speaker 2: Uh is his agent. Jerry is trying to get it.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, I cant talk to michaelh blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: No you didn't you But he didn't do all this stuff.
Speaker 2: He didn't do this with with that. He didn't try
Speaker 2: to go to Dak say dad, let's work this contract out.
Speaker 2: He went through Todd Pratt.
Speaker 4: But he also also what he did is he waited
Speaker 4: to the last minute.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying he trying to circumvent like he gonna
Speaker 2: He didn't do that with Tony Romo. He didn't say, hey, Romo,
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden he want to do that
Speaker 2: about it is Mike ain't falling for it. If you
Speaker 2: know Mike. No, he didn't do that with Mike. He
Speaker 2: didn't do that with Mike. He didn't do that with Emmy.
Speaker 2: He didn't do that with Troy. He didn't do that
Speaker 2: with Time. I'm trying to figure out now why he's
Speaker 2: trying to do this.
Speaker 4: If you know Michael personally, he ain't falling for that.
Speaker 4: He's not falling for that now.
Speaker 2: Aaron Owens, can I get my birthday shout out? Is
Speaker 2: my twenty ninth birthday? Aaron, Happy twenty ninth. Hopefully you
Speaker 2: did so. I don't know if it was yesterday or
Speaker 2: is it today, because if you're on the East Coast,
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Speaker 3: But whatever the case may.
Speaker 2: Be, hopefully you have a blessed and enjoyable birthday.
Speaker 3: Celebrate many more of these things.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you did something fun got an opportunity to share
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Speaker 2: and thank you for sporting Nightcap. That completes this episode
Speaker 2: of Nightcap. We want to thank our special guests Tron Armstead,
Speaker 2: the pro bowler. He retired after years in New Orleans
Speaker 2: and Miami. He says, you know what, body just can't
Speaker 2: take it anymore. I got a standard in which I
Speaker 2: played to I can no longer play at that level,
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