WEBVTT - Iain Marlow on U.S-China (Audio)

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you, Richiel. They went and saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they would establish red lines. Wanted to be very clear.

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<v Speaker 1>The first upshot as President Biden saying that he will

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<v Speaker 1>dispatch Secretary of State Anthony blink And to work on

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<v Speaker 1>further ties, So that should be optimistic. Now joining us

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<v Speaker 1>live is Bloomberg's Ian Marlow, Bloomberg diplomatic correspondent. Ian, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us. Our main focus obviously Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we hearing any progress and understanding each other? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think both sides went in here thinking that there

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<v Speaker 1>was the miscommunications and misperceptions to address. I mean, some

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<v Speaker 1>of that was from Biden's own comments about Taiwan about

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<v Speaker 1>whether he was, you know, pledging to defend it militarily

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<v Speaker 1>if Chinese invaders try to invade it. And we had

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<v Speaker 1>heard some some talks from Blinken on Taiwan as well

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<v Speaker 1>in recent weeks. They came out of here kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stressing that that was a red line for Taiwan. Biden

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<v Speaker 1>said that the US policy and Thailan hadn't changed. This

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of low hanging fruit to some extent for

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<v Speaker 1>the talks, But both sides came out and I think

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<v Speaker 1>allies in the region will be reassured by that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of new talk of stability between the two

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<v Speaker 1>powers on this now some of the analysis that I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen and maybe new to new people and those who

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<v Speaker 1>are watching closely not so much so, but that from

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<v Speaker 1>China's perspective, they were very worried that ties with the

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<v Speaker 1>West might lead to a call of independence, but talking

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<v Speaker 1>about chips and the kind of trade that had been

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<v Speaker 1>happening and had been morphing slowly, so they felt it

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<v Speaker 1>was in their own interest in one country to be

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<v Speaker 1>be beefing up a little bit. Does that make any sense, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think China has complained for years that

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<v Speaker 1>the US, by you know, supporting Taiwan with arms sales,

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<v Speaker 1>with talk of Taiwan's democracy, that they've been basically emboldening

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<v Speaker 1>elements within Taiwan who wanted to push the island for

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<v Speaker 1>formal independence. But I think in general in Taiwan, the

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of general atmosphere is one for the status

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<v Speaker 1>quo where Taiwan kind of a little bit uneasily kind

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<v Speaker 1>of basically the fact though uh nation to some expen

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<v Speaker 1>within the fold where it's not recognized by you know,

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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic organizations and the United Nations other things. So, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the the US has always kind of walked

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<v Speaker 1>the final because they're trying to look like they're supporting Taiwan,

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<v Speaker 1>they're supporting democracy there. You know, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of people generally before on the Republican right

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<v Speaker 1>that wanted more support for Taiwan with arms, sales and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, legislation, and so this is this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of both sides to come out of these

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<v Speaker 1>talks with something to to show for it, even though

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<v Speaker 1>to some extent the positions aren't radically different going in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're just going to tone down the rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>on either side. Now, did did they say anything that

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<v Speaker 1>that you've seen? I haven't seen a whole lot on Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>on human rights, on COVID. I mean they came out,

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about Taiwan, but anything on the others. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a little bit. I don't think anyone really

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<v Speaker 1>expected China to fully reverse course and start condemning Putin

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<v Speaker 1>and calling you know, and and the war in Ukraine. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they both agreed to say that you know, talk

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, loose talk of nuclear weapons, use things

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<v Speaker 1>like that that that is not a direction that the

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<v Speaker 1>world should be going in at the moment. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was again a little bit of low hanging fruit,

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<v Speaker 1>because Chinese President Shi Jimping had said as much to

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<v Speaker 1>the German Chancellor on On on his recent visit to

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<v Speaker 1>to China. So um, to some extent it was a

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<v Speaker 1>reiteration of China's policy, which is, you know, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to some extent being you know, both sides are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to blame. NATO was pushing Russia. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia you know didn't do you know, invaded and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the best, but you know it took a sud

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<v Speaker 1>surprise and that sort of thing. So I think now

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<v Speaker 1>I think both sides are a little bit um on

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<v Speaker 1>more more even footing there, I think, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>on health and security, after her speaker Nancy Pelosi visited

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<v Speaker 1>Taiwan and and sent relations into a tailspin. Um they

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<v Speaker 1>China cut off a bunch of talks with with the

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<v Speaker 1>US on climate change and a bunch of other things.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have agreed to restart those which will you know,

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<v Speaker 1>both include health security and uh and other things that

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<v Speaker 1>climate change. All right, great, Ian, You're terrific. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for giving us perspective there that is. Ian Marlow,

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Diplomatic correspondent,